Good recap. It was a pretty boring episode, and Charlie is the Worst Character Ever. But how could you forget to mention what has to be the best scene in the history of Lost? I'm speaking, of course, of Locke kicking the crap out of Charlie on the beach!!! Must have watched that one 50 times...

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ummm you kinda neglected the whole

LOCKE IS FRAKING EVIL!!! plot

what was up with him keeping the stautes
and the violins sounded like they were aobut to pop a string when locke was watching claire, kate, and charlie on the beach

WHAT THE HELL!!!

other than that great recap

I rarely say this but I really was bored with this episode. I do like Charlie's character when he's interacting with other characters, but his back story is always dull. I also hope the show backs off from the religious symbols a bit.

"He starts yelling at him, telling him that he is a father now and needs to get to the hospital, because he's acting like a bloody wanker bollocks pisser who done buggered off after being a right gobbin."

LoveitLoveitLoveit!!! (kicking leg in the air)

I love Charlie. Even if he was acting like a wanker in the past episode.

This was indeed a boring ep. I want to know about the washer/dryer too!

Wonder why Libby's lying to Hurley? He couldn't have stepped on her foot boarding the plane since he was in the front and he was in the back.

And for like the bazillionth time, I ask, will someone give the damn heroin to Jack?! You know, the doctor/surgeon who could use a good strong painkiller in his work? Poor dead Boone coulda used a chunk of that in his last hours.

And what ceenee said.

Gak. "she was in the back", of course.

And everyone should watch The Prisoner.

did anyone else start to get the feeling that locke could be another spy?

i can't remember any flashbacks of him on the plane or in the airport, my memory could just be failing me though.

he was just creepy, i agree with meagster, he was evil looking

cris, Locke is creepy but he was definitely on the plane, in season 1's flashbacks of the crash you can see Locke sitting in one of the seats. also, did anyone notice the stuffed animals in the commercial crib...polar bears.

There were tons of Locke airplane flashbacks. At the top of my head right now... the one where he gets carried to his seat by a flight attendant because they don't have any wheelchair on hand.

Maybe Libby though?

I wish they off Charlie next season, well him or Claire since they both suck.

Isn't this the episode where Locke is keeping the stash of guns at the end with all the heroin? The previews led me to believe he hid them somewhere other than the safe they were in before. Locke is seeming pretty evil right now. I agree with #3. Maybe Charlie has the "sickness" that led Rousseau to kill all her people. He swears he isn't using, and I actually believe him.

Now, I'm not terribly religious, but I just can't get over Eko pretending to be a priest and baptizing Claire and Aaron. I mean, where does he get off? Does he fancy himself so spiritual now that he has the ability to send people to heaven?

I think there is a lot more to Locke than meets the eye...he seems more menacing now, and there has to be a reason he got the use of his legs back.

The previews showed Aaron getting stolen, which we all know was only Charlie's dream...I was hoping it would happen, just to add a new interesting twist. I'm sure it's bound to happen at some point.

My baby is cuter.

I don't know how much time passed between Eko's brother being killed and the present, but I'm thinking it must be at least 10 years or so. That would give him plenty of time to become a real priest.

Good one sg-dub!

I don't think that there's anything wrong with Mr. Eko baptizing Claire and Aaron. Technically- he IS a priest. Even if the papers were signed under a false pretense, he has had a spiritual awakening and now sees himself in that role. Why does it matter what he did in his past? He's on a freaking island in the middle of nowhere with no hope of rescue. Why shouldn't he be the man he WISHES he was instead of the man he wants to forget? Why shouldn't they all?

BOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG! Yawn. Writers of LOST, get back on track please. No more throwaway episodes please.

Regretfully, I'm sure there will be a lot ore "throwaway" episodes like this last one...if anything, just to keep the series going.

I agree, Locke is acting stranger and is becoming more "attentive" with the baby. Paternal instinct or more sinister motives? His tagging up Charlie was fun to watch though.

Libby might have been a stewardess which still doesn't exclude her from being the/a spy. She has a "stewardess qualty" to her.

Ana's "hitting it" line was funny but only because I'm surprised more of them aren't doing it like rabbits and walking around with more smiles on their faces.

Yes, very boring episode.

Thanks for sharing your dream. Now I want nachos. Although, I picture Hoffman more likely stealing someones greasy chili dog.

I remember as a kid, my brother waking up the entire house screaming "Give Gilligan a pie, give Gilligan a pie"! while in his sleep.
Still makes me laugh even now.

Thanks for the LOST links Edhill. You did not have much to work with, but great recap all the same.

Granted not much happened during this episode but I'm just glad it didn't spend too much time on the tailies. 2 or 3 minutes of Ana Lucia is about all I can take.

CINDY was the stewardess; Libby is a (psychological) counselor.

Redemption , people. Eko is intensely spiritual, as evidenced by his 40 days' purgative silence in the wilderness. Remember, too, that his first "crime," killing the old man as a child, was done to spare his baby brother having to do it or die. A self-sacrifice, if you will; martyrdom to an unjust cause but for a highly moral purpose. Thereafter, we know the guy has a rep, but do we actually SEE him do anything more heinous than ensure his people, and his brother, do as well as they can under rotten circumstances? Oh, and wreak heavy vengeance on a couple of freak-show baddies...

And sg-dub, of course your baby is cuter! It goes without mentioning!

Edhill, your recall is amazing. LOST is exactly like The Prisoner, with the writers shooting the breeze and saying things like "Hey, how about if we have an episode with so-and-so being part of a cult and manages to escape and go to Australia and change his/her name and..." I've always had the feeling this show was intended to be a quickie series and, we Americans being so whimsical, it became a hit! Can you imagine all those guys going "Holy shit, what do we do now?" And the madcap jokester in the group sketches out an episode and they pass the bottle around and...well, you see where I'm going with this. Nothing will ever be resolved. Another show you can liken this to is "Land of the Giants". Remember that turkey?

Anyhoo, about the most frustrating part of "Lost" is the way things just seem to plod along even though there are looming crises all over the place. For instance, they were so busy fleshing out loony wanker Charlie that several issues were left aside, such as WHERE THE HELL IS MICHAEL? And just how many guns can they afford to lose? And why were there so many guns in the bunker?

One last thing. What produces electricity in the bunker? If it's a generator, obviously it has to vent out, so the noise would be heard for quite a distance. And if the Others were originally with Darma, then howcum they don't use the bunkers still?

#10 - It's people like you that make me keep Lost on my dvr until I read all the comments - so I can run back and look. Thanks for pointing out the polar bears!

I think Hurly knows Libby from the mental ward where he was a patient - I have a hunch that she was a psychiatrist there but is covering now. I think she might be an Other - and might have been there to find Hurley's buddy who was always reciting the numbers. Then again - I am wayyyy too deep into reading too much into things. Gosh I love the addiction that is Lost - can I wrap it up in a statue of the Virgin and carry it around with me?

lurkertype- I think that Hurley might know Libby from the mental hospital. I am believe tonight's episode has those flash backs.

General Question... about Charlie's previous flashbacks. Didn't he want to be a priest or some other religious person before his druggie brother convinced him to be in the rock band?

Tonight's Lost is supposed to be the Hurley episode "Numbers" repeat from last season ;-(

right before the dove flies out in charlie's dream a plane goes down in the background, you could hear it on regular tv, but can only really see it on hdtv, if anyone cares i'll look up the links to the screenshot

from what i hear on the boards, libby is a ---------- ----. i don't know if i can post what i've been hearing because someone might freak out about it being a spoiler, not that i know

anyway she was definitely on the plane, i remember seeing her wash up on shore

tonigh tis a rerun of hurley's episode numbers, there must be a good reason why they are showing a season 1 episode again

i think charlie has the sickness, remember danielle telling sayid to watch all his friends closely, i assume because her crew started flipping out like charlie

i think locke is the key to this whole thing, what the thing is, i have no idea

sorry that was a long post, but i've been waiting a week to get this out

since they are running Hurley's episode i again, i wonder if we will see Libby at the mental ward... since a lot of people think that's where she's from... i'll be sure to watch the background this time

hardly@work- good tip on the plane crashing. i will have to re-watch.

I don't have a problem with Eko baptising the kid, John the Baptist wasn't a priest and it's not like St. Agnes' is around the corner from the caves. But like I said, the problem with working religion into a show means everyone has ten million interpretations that we could sit and debate about all day, which im not opposed to, but that's been done on tv with a million other shows.

I think they're showing numbers because Rousseau is coming back for sweeps. Should be a good couple of episodes!

Lost is definitely in a 2nd season lull.

The Prisoner beats Lost like a red-headed step child.

There was at least a 3 year time gap between the time Ecko's brother was killed and when they landed on the island. Plenty of time for Ecko to actually become a Priest.

The whole baptizing thing makes me wonder if this is a large foreshadowing that Claire might die by the end of the season. Now that they are both baptized, they will see each other in heaven, so they can kill her off (!!!). But then again, the psychic told Claire that she was the only one able to raise the baby(from season 1). And they wouldn't have shoved that into an episode if it wasn't relevant. At least I hope.

Anyone who is baptised can baptise others. This is typically only done if ones life is in danger.

Funny Funny Recap! Much more interesting than the actual episode. Me no likey the filler episodes.
Also anyone already baptized can perform a baptism in an emergency situation. (I checked with my former-priest Dad on that one.)
I agree with post #4, love charlie as a side character but his back stories suck!

This recap was better than the episode itself. Holler to EdHill.

No one cares about Drive Shaft! Charlie is wack!I was hoping the Others would actually come and take the damn baby, but it was just Charlie and EviLocke at it again.

To add to the craziness that is Lost... it is obvious the Front of the plane people are all evil/bad because the Others have yet to attack and take them away yet (as compared to the rear of the plane). I say this because of the convo the Spy said to AnaLucia at the top of the mountain right before she Lucia-ed his ass. Anyways, thats it.

Hopefully next week's new episode will be good.

1) "Charlie is a bit of an odd bird to think that his bizarre dream was actually real."

Hello? This is Craphole Island, anything is possible! But he should've gone to Jack or Libby with his dream interpretations.

2) EdHill - Liam went to Australia to be with Karen and the baby (Meghan). Sorry for picking nits, but I just thought you should know.

3) I had some issues with the whole baptism thing, but that is a looooong post I'm not going to put yall through.

Looking forward to the next new episode, which is Sawyer-centric.

I foudn this on teh Fuselage site..."Has Anyone noticed that the lotto girl and Sawyer's one night stand is also the girl in the pic with desmond ?" Does anyone know if that is true or not? I guess it could make sense..Where the hell is Desmond anyway?

Libby said she was a clinical psychologist, so either she worked at the mental facility that Hurley was in or she was in the facility for some reason...DId we ever really find out why Hurley was there in the first place?? I cant remember...

I don't understand why everyone is always hating on Charlie. What bugs me is how conveniently Claire has forgotten all of the things he did for her in the past . . . saved her baby from the crazy French chick, almost got himself killed in the process, stuck by her when no one would talk to her. Doesn't he deserve a minute of her time to explain his dream? Granted, Charlie is acting crazy, but still, Claire could listen to the guy. Also, did you notice that in Charlie's flashback, his mother told him that he was "special." Sound familiar to anyone? And now, Charlie is having these quite vivid dreams which are obviously a sign of possible things to come. Locke is definitely turning evil (if he wasn't already). Has anyone thought that Locke slipped Charlie some of that goop he gave to Boone to make him hallucinate, just to make Charlie look crazy to Claire? I think he has plans for the baby.

If they really want to put in more episodes as "fillers", they should focus the backstory on interesting people like Sayid and Locke, and not Charlie and Claire. Who says they have to equally spend time on everyone's past anyway?

sg-dub, you are funny! What a proud papa you are! Congrats! Lost isn't as good this season. Sorry, This isnt the first boring ep..............

i think they are spending time on everyone to show us how they are all connected prior to the crash

libby lied about hurley stepping on her on the plane, if she lied about this what else has she made up?

michael is married to lotto girl in real life

haven't heard that about lotto girl/desmonds lady, but saw where someone compared the lady trying to adopt claire's baby and the desmond chicl and they look pretty similar, can't remember what forum this was at, sorry

Hardly@work, I saw that comparison as well, but I dont remember what the lady looked like that wanted to adopt Aaron. Is there a link to see a pic? Anyone?

Yes Charlie did a lot of things for Claire in the past, but lies and drug use can quickly erase those things. Trust is a huge thing and when its lost its very hard to regain. I dont blame Claire for wanting Charlie to give her some space, hes starting to freak me out and I dont have to live on an island with him...
When he starts getting all crazy, dont you think it would be hard to not question whether or not he was using again?
Charlie really pissed me off in a past episode when he was complaing to Locke about how much Claire had to learn about being a mum. Locke was right when he said "thats interesting coming from a drug addict". Hes just irritating!!!

I didnt think about the whole "special" thing. Good call, but I havent really seen anything to make him appear "special" in any extraordinary way. His dreams are vivid, yes but he's just acting all crazy...

I can't stand Charlie as a character; he doesn't seem to do a whole lot except be annoying. But I think that bluebell has a point that maybe the other characters should have a little bit of understanding. I mean, Charlie went off after Danielle and Aaron ... in the show's timeline, that was what? A week ago? And Claire was having nightmares about the baby being in danger that came true ... that was three weeks ago, maybe? Is it that unrealistic to think that there may be something to the dreams?

All that being said, I laugh myself to sleep at night thinking about that can of whoopass that Locke delivered...

I think Libby is after Hurley because she knows he's a millionaire.

Locke is great!

I think they are setting up the next Island Romance to be Claire and Locke. He made the cradle and makes her feel safe. A woman needs a manly man on an island, not some wanker like Charlie.

#44: ugh, you just made me throw up in my mouth a little...

this is a link to pictures of boat woman/ desmond's woman

they look pretty similar..so do you think boat woman is karen degroot and desmond's lady?

http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desmondsgirlothers8vo.jpg

still looking for a pic of the lady that weanted to adopt claire's baby

Hard to say, but dont you think that Desmond woul dhave mentioned something? Unless of course he didnt know and maybe she is the reason he landed on the island...They definitly look similar, although she didnt age quite as well as desmond did... :o)

Yeah #44, Ewww. I had heard somehting about maybe Eko and Claire hooking up...

American TV sucks! This episode is proof positive of that. Successful series are seen as money making products that should endure as long as they are profitable. Unfortunatley, the story is compromised as the producers s-t-r-e-t-c-h the plot to near breaking point to make the series last longer. If only American TV producers could allow for a series to tell a story and not force it to air interminably. I think "Lost" has so much potential, but these filler episodes are super annoying. Also, I think that the writers, who are surprised by the show's success and now trying to ride that wave for as long as they can, do not have a focused idea to WHERE the show is going or WHY. Example: the deaths of Shannon and Boone. Why were they even characters on the show if they are now no longer part of it?

I think all the conspiracy theorizing by fans is fun, but who will give a shit in 3 years if this show keeps plodding along? It's a shame.

I applaud EdHill for his HILARious recaps. Fortunately, I missed this ep, but I get to read all the important bits here along with all of Ed's awesome insights and fabulous jokes. Bravo, EdHill, Bravo!!!

BTW, I am an American, just so you all know that I criticize my country's TV with the righteous heart of a true patriot.

I agree with Todd about more people hooking up. But Claire and Eko? Claire and Locke?! Not even on a desert island...#44-I think you are getting the island sickness.

They really havent been on the island all that long. Almost 2 months. I agree that there shoudl be a bit more hooking up, but then they would have to address the whole pregnancy issue. Im sure if anyone on the island was on Birth control pills they didnt have a huge supply, same with COndoms. I find it hard to believe that they would be taking temps to see when ovulation was occuring so they could have "safe" sex.

but then again, this is a TV show, I guess this issue can be overlooked just like the hairy armpit and leg situation. No big deal,. its not exactly suppose to be completely realistic...

must control self. nope- not going to happen.
this episode was RANK. i hated it for multiple reasons. 1- made me actually afraid of charlie. 2- the whole baptism was just wrong. so let's look at that. point 1- it isn't baptism that gets you into heaven. it's accepting that you are a sinner and believing that jesus is your lord and savior. point 2 (and this is a BIG one)- when john the baptist baptised jesus, he didn't cleanse him of his sins. jesus never committed a sin. he was sinless. so from a religious standpoint, i was highly offended.
plus, the epi just kind of sucked overall.

#46- Hardly@....

I have to agree-that is def the same chick. The eyebrows give it away. She's lookin a bit rough on the boat, but it's def the same woman.

#52-
I bet Jesus committed a few sins when he was a teenager, man. There's nothing in the bible about him and his formative young boy and teen years. Isn't that the whole point of God using a human being as his son? To prove that all humans sin, but if you accept the Jesus (a once sinful human), you will be saved, because he was saved, then died for our sins yeah????

Don't be offended, be open minded.

I realize that a GIANT Lost theme is "faith vs. science/reason", but I do wish they would have kept "religion" out of it.

It made me uncomfortable that people made Claire feel that she was not doing right by herself and her son by continuing to be un-baptized.

(I am Jewish, and yes, I would have felt exact the same way had someone determined that Aaron must be circumcised, or Claire must cleanse herself in a mikvah after having given birth and after every period.)

I'm just saying that it would have been cool to for Charlie and Eko to educate Claire on different beliefs re: heaven and redemption, but give her a choice of whether she agrees or not.

*usually I like to joke around here, the little bit that I participate, but I just had to get this one off my chest*

I consider myself a religious/spiritual person, but I'm still surprised by the strong religious "messages" they seem to be putting in here. Hope it doesn't alienate the audience too much. And I agree with EdHill... Eko's not much of a priest.

ceenee- i totally agree. it just seemed like such a pat traditional anwswer for a show that is supposed to be so out of the box. and a pretty one dimensional approach from mr eko who is supposed to be complex.

sweetpea- same. i'm a practicing protestant so m not like, offended by it but i just hope it won't turn viewers away or turn away from the other cool story lines.

james wood rules- the thing is that if eko was a priest he'd be a priest of a religion that teaches that JEsus was sinless. So it's not a lack of openmindedness, its that Eko's theology doesn't match up.

I hear ya Leah3t.

Good thought on the Eko thing.....

When Hurley was at the nurses station, trying to see his friend, he was recognized by a doctor... if you look closely this is "Marvin" of the Dharma Project video - am I the only one who recognizes the same voice...and the same eye that is larger than the other?

Ok - based on post #58 I did some research on a site that had episode guides and cast lists:
http://www.tv.com/lost/show/24313/episode_guide.html

The Lotto Girl in 'Numbers' Episode #18 was BrittanY Perineau. She is not listed on the the episode with Sawyer's Back story 'Confidence Man' #8, she's also not in the cast for Claire's backstory ep 'Raised by Another' #10 and lastly she is not in the cast list for the episode where Walt was pulled off the raft 'Exodus (2)" #24.

BUT, she is listed on Kate's backstory episode 'Outlaws' #16 as (Woman) and she is in 'Everybody Hates Hugo' #28 as (Mary Jo).

The actor who played the doc in last nights 'Numbers' #18 was Dann Seki, the actor who played Dr. Marvin Candle in the info film in 'Orientation' #27 was Francois Chau. So those two were definitely different.

This proves that the two docs were different. As for this Brittany Perineau chick - maybe it means nothing that she keeps showing up - maybe they have limited extras in Hawaii OR maybe there is some cool reason she keeps popping up.

OH, and this also proves I really ought to look into getting a boyfriend or dog to occupy my time so I don't obsess over Lost so much.

Tinkerbell, I have a husband and a kitty and I still obsess over the details in LOST.

Maybe, as far as casting goes, they recasted Candle's actor? Just a thought.

Sweetjane - I'm with ya on the weird baptism stuff.

james_woods_rules- then again, when you're a self made priest, who knows what Eko's theology is supposed to be? DIY clergy..... myabe we could be tvgasm oracles ourselves.

tinkerbell-
in outlaws it does show a woman getting out of/ or in bed with sawyer,before he ran into jack's dad at the bar

i don't remember her in everybody hates hugo...do you?

why lotto girl was in bed with sawyer in australia, i haven't a clue

i didn't really pick up on anything from the repaly of numbers

Claire & Locke romantically...a little of my breakfast just came back to visit me! Perhaps he just sees the whole scheme of things and realizes that her baby is/will play into any further "interactions" with the Others.

Where is Michael? The bad man just said, "he'd never find Walt!". Is he still out in the jungle roaming, is he dead, is he captured?

If we can wrap out brains around ANY theory about the island, why can't we believe that there may have been one or more "Others" on the plane? People survived and didn't for a reason. This IS (Science) Fiction SO anything is plausable.

Tinkerbell,Brittany Perrineau is Harold Perrineau's (Michael's) real life wife,thats why she keeps showing up

any1 heard anything about this oceanic air flight 213?
it "leaves", coincidently enough, on february 13 (2/13).
there are vague clues here...

http://oceanicworldair.com/alexcode/

the pics are all jpegs titled alex1, alex2 & alex3.

then this ...

http://oceanicworldair.com

... has even more info with some crazy links (click on 3 separate parts of the word "careers"; top left corner of "web-cam" pic; 108 countdown/execute button under "contact us")

also this...

http://oceanicworldairlines.com

connecting the others (& possibly the peace corps?) to oceanic air.
(check the picture behind the tyc text... same as oceanic air logo)

there are no terms of service, so i guess it could be all b.s.
even if it is, it's still kinda cool.
& after a boring-ass episode this past week it's good to get worked up again for lost.

see ya on flight 213.
do ya think we're going down, too?

I loved the "Addicted to Lost" promo on Superbowl Sunday