I didn't read the recap yet but I want to be the first to say that the title is very accurate, my respect for Randal went from a 10 to a 2 in one second and my exact words were "oh my god, what a f**king asshole."

Rebecca showed far more class by simply replying, "That's unfortunate."

Oh crap! I forgot to add, could someone, ANYONE, please explain to me what was up Alla's butt? Where did her attitude come from?!

I'm not going to discuss Randal's jerk move because most everyone will sum up my views. But I do think that the finale setup has sucked for the past 3 seasons. The best finale was the first one where Kwame and Bill went into the boardroom in the taped episode and it seemingly transitioned into Trump hiring Bill live as the set pulled away. Plus there was an actual REUNION. I'm sick of this ask 3 of the 16 contestants questions and disregard all the rest.

I just watched that Donnie Deutsch show on MSNBC - he had Donald, Carolyn, George, Bill and the 14 fired candidates. He polled the candidates to see who they would pick. 12 picked Randal, only Adam and Toral picked Rebecca.

I think if they based the hiring on the last task - Rebecca should win and they should not have hammered her so hard over not raising money - those Yahoo people were in her face every 5 minutes making it damned clear that she better not ask for money.

I was rooting for Randal up until this task - and after last night - I have very little respect for him. He had nothing to lose by showing compassion to someone he had claimed to respect.

Oh - and great recap B-side. For this episode I actually took notes of all the things that I found notable and you hit all but one in your recap. You never miss a trick!

I think it was entirely classless of Randal. I agree with Steve - my respect for him went WAY down. I'm hoping he woke up the next morning and thought, "Oh crap, what did I do?" There's no reason why Rebecca shouldn't have been hired too, she wanted the other job (had to laugh at the whole "New Jersey job" thing), she wouldn't take anything away from him, it was obvious Trump wanted to hire her too. He's just a jerk!

Can't believe you didn't mention Toral's "Rebecca is a diamond in a haystack!" comment! CRACKED ME UP!

Oh my gosh, B-Side. You said "30% chance of flowers" ROFLMAO!!!!

I dont know.... I was for the first time watching a show disappointed in a person I never knew.... I couldnt believe that happened. I wonder if there's more to the story... he clearly respected her. He seemed like a nice guy. It was a strange move. They say that he did it b/ch e wanted to be remembered as the winner and that it was a racial thing to ask him to share his glory. I dont know...

I saw an interview with Trump last night, and he said that he was planning on hiring Rebecca also. he expected Randal to say "Yes", and when he didn't, trump said he felt he had no choice but to not hire her.

See, that drives me nuts B-Side, I thought Trump was the boss, the big man, the final word. Why did he cow tow to Randal's decision?

Was that Jennifer M or Blair from the Facts of Life? I wish I could do a side-by-side comparison.

I'm suprised you missed the baseball mascot mugging right behind Donald Trump. That was pretty good.

Some people say that it was just a ratings stunt. So basically, Trump made Randal look like a jackass for ratings and buzz.

But at the same time, Randal should have dealt with that curveball better.

I agree B-Side, especially since it was very clear from all the pre-show buzz that it was a possibility.

I really don't think defending Randall by saying he was "put on the spot" is accurate. They were hinting the whole show that both would be picked. Randall's speech seemed like something he had prepared to say, in case he was asked. I don't think you make up that Apprentii line on the spot and his whole speech came off canned.

Further, I don't think criticism of Trump is entirely warranted either. In Trump's mind, I think he was doing Randall a favor by tossing him a softball question that would make Randall look like the most gracious and good-hearted Apprentice ever.

The other thing is that he did this LITERALLY for nothing other than to hog the glory. The not-so-secret secret of the Apprentice is that these people don't do shit as far as the jobs that they are hired to do. They just basically do PR work for Trump. Allowing Rebecca to get a job would have harmed Randall absolutely none.

The charge of racism is beyond wrong. If anything, I felt the editors of the show went out of their way to portray Randall's final event in a positive light (something that could have very easily been edited to make him look like a complete moron).

The Jerk Store called Randal and it's all out of YOU!!!!

Though I will say that by being such a dick it made a much better ending than if he said hire her.

Another thing -- Was anyone else bothered by Rebecca's intensley formal and almost robotic speaking style througout this episode? I am still laughing from last week's: "Hi, I'm Wenda Millard." "Nice to meet you, Wenda Millard."

I think I figured it out. Randal is the black George Bush and I'll be the white Kanye West and go ahead and say it: "Randal Pinkett Does Not Care About White People." Did you see his company? No whities in there. His wife's name? Rhymes with Sahara, a desert, in AFRICA. He just didn't want the white girl to have a job, reverse racism!

btw - a Randal interview about not sharing the job
http://www.blackenterprise.com/ExclusivesEKOpen.asp?id=1470

Mr. Met pic!

Chance of flowers!!

Bald eagle!!!

How about:
--fist-bump between Robin and Carolyn??
--more about Rebecca's Frankensteinien stagger through the set!?

My feeling is that Trump should feel free to hire Rebecca on his own time, but for the show, for it being one winner, and for that winner to be the first black man, I think it's only right that there's just Randal as the winner. I dunno. Yeah, he kinda dicked it up a little there, but in the end, I agree that Rebecca should have NONE of the glory (right now).

I'm glad Randal said no!You could see throught out the final episodes that Randal didn't like Rebecca.It's funny that Trump was thinking he was too soft to work in New York, now everyone will see that he's actually pretty damn tough.

I am going to go against the grain on this one. Randal was not a dick but rather smart. If they would have hired Rebecca that would have cost Donald at least a million for her salary and other misc. The Trumpster talked about how the show was not just for TV but it was about the right person for his company. If he would have hired her that would make good TV but not smart business. Everyone wants a happy ending but then what would the do next year to top that-fire ten people at one and hire the only one left? Randal deserved the job and that is why he got it.

I still can't believe how quickly Randal reacted negatively to the idea of Rebecca being hired. Not a nice guy at all!! If the task itself was the measure of who won, then neither clearly won. If the task had been how much money was raised by each of them, then obviously there was a clear cut winner. The only thing I think Rebecca should have done is a silent auction or at least sold something, maybe even gotten a cut of the action from the yahoo-tini's at the bar for the charity. But then Trump would have cut her fundraising short by ushering everyone downstairs after Rebecca CLEARLY told him how long cocktail time was supposed to last before the show was supposed to start. He threw a wrench in her gig!!

You forgot the part when they Trump, Carolyn and George were first walking into the stage and Robin was there to open the door.

As Carolyn walked in, Robin held out her hand and they bumped fists, like they're soul sisters or something. Ha ha. HILarious.

Damn! i thought i'd be the first to mention the fist bump b/w robin and carolyn. i watched it at least 4 times.

i'm having such mixed emotions about this whole turn of events. at first my disdain was focused towards randall, then DT, now god knows.

one thing they DID do was get people talking about the show! brava burnett, brava!

and nice work junk yard dawg! the only celebrity i would've wanted to see (other than mr met). where was g-g-g-G-Unit?!

I think they should have co-winners in all aspect of life.

Why have one Super Bowl champion, when you could have two?

Why have just one American Idol, when both Carrie and Bo could win?

Wouldn't that be awesome?

And, really, I don't think it was smart of Trump to hire a black man on his own. It would've made bad PR. Better to hire a white woman to compliment him, even though she flubbed 75% of her tasks.

Last night was Randall's "payback" to Rebecca. He was mad at her since since the XM Satellite task. Remember that Rebecca said in the Boardrooom that Randal didn't step up on that task. He was mad at her and last night was his chance to get back at her. He truly is a self-centered, hating,insecure "little" man!

Trump declared Randall the winner. He then gave Randall the opportunity to hire someone who Trump had made clear was also very qualified to work for the organization (and Randall himself had previously conceded as much). Not to share the Apprentice crown, but to get another good person involved in the organization. Randall put his own selfish pride above that of getting good people for his company, which is inexcusable. He cared more about "winning" then doing what was right for his company.

In short, Randall was too much of a selfish a$$hole to see the bigger picture.

I do think a lot of the Randall apologists would be calling Rebecca a total bitch if she had done the same thing.

I think Randal got a bum deal..
After all of that hardwork and beating everybody, he is asked to share his win. And no matter what anybody says about this, it would be seen as a "tie", which is crap...No other apprentice has been asked to do this..If this was a recurring thing, that happened every season, with the understanding that the runner up would be getting a secondary position, I would completely agree that Randal was being a dick. Instead we get some dumbass gimmick that completely mars a contestants win, which is shameful....

Randall could have accepted the Apprentice title and told Trump that Rebecca would make a fine employee for one of his companies. He would have still "won the Apprentice" and shown himself to be a nice guy.

On the the Today show this morning both Randal and Trump defended his decision saying you wouldn't ask an Olympic athlete to share a gold medal. yawn - spin control

From that article above:
10. BE: Now that there has been some backlash from the White community about you denying Rebecca the opportunity to join you at the Trump organization, do you have any regrets on that decision?

PINKETT: I'm satisfied with the decision I made and I'm pleased with the arguments I presented. As I said last night, 'in a competition there is only one winner.' You wouldn't ask the gold medalist in the Olympics to share with the silver medalist. Unfortunately for those that wanted to see a double hiring or see Rebecca win, I ended up being the bearer of bad news. However, at the end of day all I did was give Mr. Trump my recommendation. It was ultimately his decision to not hire Rebecca.

ps. Alla is a crazy bitter bitch

I agree it was unfair to put him in that position but he handled it very poorly. If THAT is how he is when he is caught off guard then he is a real ass.
Nothing prevented him to say "Listen tonite im the apprentice but lets talk about hiring her tomorrow"
Alla was so bitter it wasnt even funny.

I thought it was HILARIOUS when Randal said no to hiring her.
I think he made the right choice, BUT it was NOT fair for Trump to put that decision on him.
If Trump had wanted to hire her, he should've just did it instead of placing that decision on Randal.
But yeah.. Randal did the right thing I think.
All throughout the show he kept saying how she was inexperienced.. and so him saying to hire her would've contradicted everything he had said.
He could've easily been the hero and said "Sure!" but he didn't.. and ya gotta respect him for not taking the easy route.

wow, it is amazing to see someone go from selfless to selfish in a split second!

randall is a total assclown, and it wouldnt have detracted since he was obviously the first choice regardless.

as for the yahoo execs, what a bunch of asshats, i mean they were so explicit that their VIPs could not be solicited for donations at a CHARITY EVENT and if rebecca ignored their wishes they simply would have pulled sponsorship and all their VIPs, ie she made the smart move.

i was pleased trump at least called yahoo out saying they ought to at least contribute something, so they had to and did an about face live. a very SMALL about face.

"Believe it or not, I haven't made up my mind yet; so turn off the lights. Let's get going," Trump said, surely paraphrasing a line he once used on Melania. Grrrrowl!

Funniest line ever. I honestly think this is one of my FAVORITE recaps ever, B-Side. Thank you. And quickly, too! You rock!

Randall is a dick. You could clearly tell he knew BEFORE the show he would be asked this. He said in his speech to the other people, "stand up if you think I should be the SOLE AND ONLY apprentice tonight." What? Why would he say "Sole and only" unless he knew and had thought about it.

Therefore, he wasn't put on the spot. And he didn't say, should I have another Apprentice, either. He just said, should I hire her, too? Randall is a jerk.

Randall ALMOST went Tana on us last night, I felt.... That would have been great.

Only a selfish person would think that giving someone else an opportunity to succeed when they worked so hard for it is a "tie". Randall was the winner. He had the chance to give someone else a chance. He chose not to. Selfishness may get him a fat paycheck, but selflessness would have brought him greater gains in the long run.

Oh god, Trump was totally the dick. Why should he dump that on Randal? If he wanted to hire both, he just should've...but, the fact is, Randal was WAY more qualified than her. People felt sorry for her because her ass was on crutches the whole time, but wtf? Randal lost his grandmother at the beginning and still kicked ass. I'm sick of people ripping Randal when he did nothing wrong. He knew it was a possibility that both would be hired, and he expressed his views, and I agree with him. Kwame was just as qualified, and you didn't see Trump asking Bill Rancic if he should hire both. Trump should NEVER have put that on Randal's shoulders...it only made Trump look like an idiot. Oh, so now he's not going to hire her, because of what Randal said? Please, Trump just got flustered because it didn't go the way he thought it would. I read an interview where he said he was planning on hiring both...but, on the show he says "oh, well I could've been convinced to hire her"...total liar.

Trump is a complete dick. The first non-white person gets hired, and he ruins it for them. Total jerk. He should publically apologize to Randal.

Knowing Mark Burnett, he'll just stick Rebecca and Bobby Jon on the next Apprentice.

Randal was in a lose-lose situation. Trump talks a good game about competion and being decisive, but he pussed out in the end. He could've easily hired both at once, or hired her the next day.

It's not like Rebecca didn't have ample opportunity to prove herself and have Trump offer her the job first. It's not like she won't get snapped up to do some high-profile job in a great PR stunt by another corporation.

Rebecca has said if the roles were reversed, she would have hired him. I truly believe that. Of course, I didn't believe Randall was such an @sshole...but I think we all misjudged that one.

I have no respect for Randall and the utmost respect for Rebecca. Even after this shocking development, she has maintained her composure and hasn't resorted to any pettiness.

After Jen M (And many others) went on about how Randall has such a good heart and you can see it by looking at his eyes...blah blah blah...he then sticks a knife in Rebecca's back. Even after Trumps speech about "loyalty"...did he not have any loyalty to his teammate who has worked with for quite some time now?

Maybe it has to do with all his education. Sometimes these smart guys are just plain stupid. That's why he missed the weather thing and got the XM radio station wrong...

This had to have been the most selfish thing I have seen in quite some time.

Not sure if anyone noticed, but when Trump asked him if he should hire Rebecca, Felishia was shaking her head saying "no...no...no"....and when he deneid her, felishia and alla celebrated.

Fuck Rebecca and Donald Trump! A black person can't have nothin' without someone white person trying to muscle in on it! Damn! Look at the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue with Tyra on it. When she was the first, did she get to enjoy it by herself? NO, the put some white chick next to her jumping around. It's just annoying. All Randal is saying with his statement is: I worked hard my whole life, went to top schools, started my own company, made it through Apprentice, and then I win and you ask me to share it? I'm sorry, that's some bullshit. White people always think black people coast and try to "get by" and "slip in" on special favors. It seems to me that it's actually the other way around. I liked Rebecca, too, don't get me wrong, but don't shed tears for her, she'll be fine. A cute white girl with a little bit of brains will always get by and find a way, while ain't nobody gonna give Randal a goddamn thing without some blood, sweat, and/or tears being shed. Let Randal have his moment, he earned it and does not owe Rebecca a thing. What the job actually will or will not turn out to be is so beside the point. Rebecca would not do the same for Randal, and Trump would never even think to ask her no shit like that. Please!
Go Randal, good answer, and I got your back!

I so wanted Rebecca to turn around to Alla and say, "Either climb on a pole and start doing what you do best, or shut it, beyotch!"

PS - The Random Black Dude behind Trump is none other than G-Unit's own Tony Yayo.

I was rooting for both Randall and Rebecca from the start. I was very calm during the finale because I didn't really care who won and since I loved them both, I wanted them both to be hired.

After this, I hope Randall falls flat on his face. Asshole.

And to those trying to equate what happened in the end to the racism that exists in society, that's just ridiculous.

Okay, I didn't know links would work until I saw Steve's post. I hope this one works:

http://www.nevafeva.com/pics/blairW.jpg

I think it would've been funny if Trump asked Jennifer M if he should hire both and she said "You take the good, You take the bad, You take them both, and there you have..."

Gosh, i really wanted to scream at randall through the tv set when he was the biggest prick on tv.

also, i could just imagine carolyn telling robin to pound that sh!t... priceless :)

Randal clearly suspected that something was amiss....it seemed like he knew that there would be a double hiring somehow.

And what's up with all the Rebecca hate from the other castmembers? Maybe I missed it but has she done anything wrong to any of them? Has she ever belittled anyone of them?
I thought she really handled herself with class all this while.

In the end, this is a job interview, not a competition like American Idol or Survivor. The whole purpose of applying for The Apprentice is to get a job in the Trump Organization. Randal already got hired, he already won in that sense.
What harm does it do to let someone else get a job in the organization too

Seriously, if you were newly hired into an organization, and your boss then goes on to hire another person, what has it to do with you?

And most of all, Trump really shouldn't have asked Randal in the first place. Can't he hire Rebecca himself if he really likes her?

Re: -post #44

Exactly. I was just watching Randall on "Neil Cavuto" (fox news) and he was saying that Rebecca is good, has a bright future, should be commended. Well, if she's good...should you hire her? Wouldn't that benefit the company you now work for?

He was being selfish. I think Trump put it on Randall because a.) he didn't think Randall would be a liitle bitch and b.) It would have made Randall out to be the person everyone thought he was.

and Randall now joins the likes of "the weavers", and "the friendship" in reality show contestants I despise.

Boooo..Hisss!

Wow...what a finale!! First, i would like to say that it ended somewhat abruptly and on a sour note. you could clearly hear people booing in the audience. Second, i respected randal from the beginning and expected him to win...but i think he could have obviously handled himself better. i was expecting trump to hire rebecca, but if you remember he made his decision 2 minutes before teh show ended...which brings me to another point--the incredibly bad production of teh finale (BTW i really wanted to hear what george had to say about randal's record).

third......uh....randal SHOULD have said that rebecca would be a good employee..or something along those lines....but he screwed up royally....on live TV--so in a lot of people's minds he was a dick!!

...quote from bobby jon: "that's just no class man."

I thought rebecca was extremely qualified and was robbed/betrayed/backstabbed but someone who called her a "little sister".

but anyways...on thefishbowl.com interview, rebecca said it was unfortunate, BUT that this may be the best thing that's happened to her cuz now she's received numerous job offers for more money than randal...and she says she has choices...so ...good for her!!

[end rant]

the following comment sounded familiar..just insert WMD's or "faulty intelligence" :"There should have been a contingency plan in place , and it completely eluded me," . Hey if the president can do it, so can I! Randal sounded like Al Sharpton. And that annoyed me. The type who yells louder and considers that "winning" an argument. There are plenty of indoor tracks around to stage a ball game, dufus. As for Rebecca, she staged a charity event where you can't donate to the charity.

I thought those La donald photos were awesome. It's not so much a comb over, as much as a comb forward and then back. Truly fascinating.

Jennifer M looked like Blaire from that sitcom.

Let me know when I can be comment 40,000. And Randal's a dick, as per the usual bravo headline. He should have thrown it back to Trump.

Okay..I'm not racist, but I can't help but feel that this is the reality TV equivalent of the OJ Trial. The producers set Rebecca up to fail! Maybe it's just the editing but... Randal first met with the Autism lady to discuss goals for the charity, then he met with the sponsor "Outback Steakhouse" to discuss logistics.

Rebecca met with her sponsor first and the "Yahoo" bitch basically told her "Your goal is to make sure our (advertising) clients have a good time!" C'mon! Frau Farbissina didn't care about how much money was raised for the PAF! Why didn't they bring back Starsky's stoned son to talk about what a great job Rebecca did???? I'll tell you why...because the3 were determined to have a black apprentice this year, no matter what!!!!

Is Rebecca wearing a wig or are those hair extensions in that last picture?

I just feel that Randal is a little selfish.
I think Randal is not as good as Rebecca from the series except his degrees.
In my memory of the competations of the past, it is always Rebecaa stepped up to take the pressure.
On the contrary, Randal was blamed more than twice for his flabbiness.
And I also think he is not as honest as Rebecca.
He is very foxy.
I don't like Randal at all.

If I were D.Trump, I would bring out a bigger drama. I would reply Randal like this:
Since it is a very tough call, so just now was the final test.
Sorry, Randal, you are fired!
Congs, Rebecca, you are the apprentice!

Why should Randall have to share the spotlight? That man worked his ass off throughout the whole show. If Rebecca deserved to be hired, then she would have won. No other winners have been asked to do that in the past (white) but when Randall (black) wins, he is forced to make a decision on the spot to which would make him a loser in every possible way. If he said yes, he would look like a simp. He says no, and he's an asshole. No win situation.

Corporate America. SMH.

Trump didn't have to do that. If he wanted to hire her, he could have done it after the show.

Congratulations Randal!!!! He deserves it!!!!! He can be a dick all day long, but he is a dick who is The Apprentice!!!!!!!!

I co-sign 200% post 55!!!!!!

Even though Randal said no to hiring Rebecca also, I could of sworn I heard, Trump say to Rebecca..'still want a job', or some phrase like that.

This was before they cut the microphones and starting the ending theme music and applause. It was only a split second. I didn't record this show, anyone else hear that?

And yes, Squidward is a dickward. I wanted to see more Toral outbursts.

KH

I think Randall was right. Let's not forget that Rebecca always smiled in your face during tasks and then would back-stab in the boardroom - payback's a bitch, bitch!

The fact is Randal should have recognized Rebecca was a worthy opponent and at only 23 yo a perfect person for Trump to groom for the Trump organization.As the apprentice or any employee a person should never be so self centered ot intimidated by someone to deny talent. A great leader will recognize talent whether it takes the spotlight away from you or not. You should always do what's best for the business/company not for yourself. And hiring Rebecca was what's best for the business.

Randal would have done better by telling Trump: "As your new apprentice, I recommend that we hire Rebecca", and he would have set himself as her corporate superior.

I don't get the argument about making a black man share his title. Isn't he the 4th apprentice already?

He would have been a much bigger winner to graciously recommend Rebecca whatever their respective races.

Now, he'll be remembered as a dick - not a black dick, just a dick.

The last minutes of the finale made for good live TV. I think it backfired, big-time, on Trump, Mark Burnett, and Randal.

Randal is now forever going to be remembered not only as the so-called winner of Apprentice 4, but as a "poor winner."

For all the Randal supporters out there, remember that Randal has ultimately permanently lost more credibility than he can ever gain back again.

What's really selfish is expecting Randal to dilute his victory with someone who was very capable but clearly lost the game.
Also it's selfish to expect this guy to have to CONTINUE competing with this runnerup throughout his apprenticeship.
It's pure fantasy to think that after the show is over that Trump would still be comparing the 2 by tracking both projects and seeing who was doing better. And that is TOTAL bullshit. Rebecca lost. She didn't deserve the perks of a winner..
In every appearance they did after the show they would be seen as Trump's APPRENTICES not as winner and runnerup..
This kind of thing is why African Americans in the US feel they cannot get a fair shake in this country even if they EARNED it and are OVERQUALIFIED for a position...Way to go US! It's really sad that the producers of this show didn't shut this lame idea down by realizing what the perception of the black viewers would be to this "twist" because I bet you there aren't too many African Americans out there that thought Rebecca got screwed....Even though I don't think it was intentally racist, I can certainly understand if a black person felt that way...

If you think that race has anything to do with it, then you are wrong. If you want to improve race relations in this country, stop harping on about it all the time. All that does is make you look ridiculous, especially since Randal was clearly imperfect. (XM radio station, not checking the weather, standing by many times and letting other people on his team decimate each other via bickering). Take home message: this is not about race. Get over yourselves

In season #1 when Bill Rancic won, did Trump later also hire contestant Amy (I think she was 3rd runner up)? I think he hired her later, not as an Apprentice.

#64: Yes, I've always felt that if I had a problem with something, I would just sit back and do nothing about it..And I never said Randal was perfect, I said HE WON. Which should really be enough.What people should really be getting over is the fact that Rebecca LOST, end of story..She deserved nothing...

#12,
If Lisa Welchel is busy homeschooling her kids, Jennifer M. can certainly fill in as Blair on the next "Facts of Life" reunion movie.

Here is an interesting article from blackamericaweb.com:

http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/apprentice1216

Whatever. All you haters out there just say you wanted the white girl to win and be done with it. That doesn't make Randal a dick, or lose credibilty, or any of the other nonsense that's being spread, that's just the way it is. As for the person that said there have been four other apprentice winners, yeah, and remember they held the title ALONE for the period of time until the next, and they were not asked to share. It's a damn contest, not kindergarten, you are not required to share, and should not be expected to. Why, with the centuries of racism, abuse, and prejudice that have been heaped on the black man in every cornerstone of life, is the black man expected to be play the "good guy" or the fall guy when despite all obstacles he rises to the top? Think about this: When teams win championships, do they share with the team that lost? NO. When someone wins an Oscar, does the Academy say, well, Halle Barry, we think Diane Keaton did a really good job this year too, do you think you could share your Oscar with her? Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Same applies here. I blame Trump for ruining this moment. Black folk always seem to get a raw deal on this show, (and in real life corporate America as well) from Kwame to Stacie J. to Kevin. I think this repeated pattern of inequitiy is going to make it hard for me to keep watching this show.

What some of you fail to see was how Randal acted in the live portion last night.
'Stand up if you think I deserve to be the sole Apprentice' Ignoring Rebecca all the way through and attacking her when she was being nice and respectful to him. Not even shaking hands with Rebecca after he was annouced as the winner.
Ignoring Trump completely while basking in his glory.

Ooh...yeah...he has plenty of class!

Wtg Randal!!

I've nothing against Randal winning, he totally deserved his win....but he certainly could've handled thing better.

Someone else may have already mentioned this, but I disagree that it was a lose-lose situation for Randal.

I think the best response to Trump's question would have been, "I think Rebecca is great, Mr. Trump, and that's why *I* am offering her a job right now."

There were only 90 seconds or so left in the show. That would have then put the spotlight on Rebecca to make up her mind about whether she wanted to work for the Trump Organization.

Thoughts?

Trump is so mercurial. One year he fires great people for things beyond their control. The next, he supports people for the exact same actions. He takes an unbelievable liking to Rebecca, but he dismissed Tana and Jennifer M. and Kwame.

What the hell? Rebecca failed more spectacularly than any other finalist. She didn't raise any money! Not one dime! That was the whole point, and measurement of the task.

I thought Trump was going to offer Randall the chance to hire Rebecca as his sidekick. That would have been decent. Instead he puts the guy in a bad position.

Come on. Ease off of Trump. He did nothing wrong. It was Randall who screwed up. He went from a 12 on a respect level, to a -1. That was a dick move. He could have easily held on to his spotlight. It would have made him look even better had he agreed to let Trump hire her. He was so outstanding during the entire process that he could have dealt with that situation completely different than the way he did. Trump should still hire her, which by the way I think he will.

And P.S. I still love Aubrey even though she has that fungus on her lip.

Later....

I still don't see how Rebecca working for Trump in a different city on a different project dilutes Randal's accomplishments.

Someone still has to be hired to fill that spot, correct? Randal would've had to split his salary, correct?

The comparisons made to the Superbowl or Oscars aren't valid and this really has nothing to do with race. Randal is an equal opportunity dick.

I haven't watched this whole season (just couldn't take that much Trump), but I saw the finale and agree that Randall could/should have handled this a lot better, especially since he was expecting it. He really should have thrown it back on Trump by saying something like, Since I've only just been hired, I don't feel qualified to speak on hiring matters, but from what I know of Rebecca, she would make an excellent employee at your organization."

I don't see how hiring Rebecca also would have made Randall "share" his title. He would still be the Apprentice and would have his own job and $250,000 salary. Rebecca would have her own job and her own salary. What would they be sharing? Fame in the spotlight? Guess what, they're already sharing that. By saying no, Randall came across as a poor winner and not-so-nice a guy.

So Randall turned straight to the audience when announced the apprentice? I didn't catch that. He didn't even shake Trump's hand?

Rebecca was like a robot when she came out on stage. Her arm was as straight as an arrow when she shook hands. And like someone mentioned earlier, when she met someone she would say, "Nice to meet you Wenda Millard." I've never heard someone say first and last name before. It sounds so awkward.

Exactly, biancaneve. I didn't read it as Trump hiring her as an Apprentice too, but as doing something else w/i the organization. Randall would still be the Apprentice.

I thought he acted like a dick as well, and I don't care what his skin color is, he still handled it poorly and stabbed a friend in the back. Several great alternatives that he could have said were already presented. I love how everything turns into a race issue. So much anger :(

Also, the Crispin Glover pic... it totally looks like that guy was edited in from some black and white movie. It's even more apparent in the screen cap. He looks like he's in black and white!

The obscenity here was not race. It was that a corporation..Yahoo..saw fit to use a victim of AIDS solely as a vehicle to make money for themselves and they alone. They slapped their logo all over this woman's dead body. How smart of them to sabotage a money making event by smothering the host and getting free advertisement. Sort of like those multiple pop ups you get in a spam virus. Is it fascism yet?

asking randall to share the victory with rebecca was like putting christian laettner on the dream team. i mean, the guy was good, but did he have any business sharing an honor like that with jordan, ewing, magic, barkley and bird?

rebecca did well under the circumstances, but get real--randall blew her out of the water. it was never a question who was the superior candidate, in any analysis. rebecca looked better than she was because she never made any glaring, disastrous mistakes, and she managed not to get into nasty conflicts with other candidates, which is all that distinguishes her from, say, jen massey from season 2. kendra from season 3 was totally unspectacular--she only won because tana imploded at the end. in my mind, the choice between bill and kwame was much tougher than this one, but you didn't see trump handing out consolation prizes then.

randall's mistake was miscalculating how to answer a question he should never have been asked. it was sort of like halle berry's oscar acceptance speech--he was just too giddy at the moment to process how he might be coming off. randall's race had nothing to do with his victory--he was by far the sharpest candidate, regardless of such considerations--but being black puts a whole host of other pressures and expectations on him that white folks can't relate to. he knows that, no matter how good he is, there are certain people who are going to view him as a token. why on earth should an experienced, successful businessman with a world-class education be asked to dilute his victory so the pretty little white girl can share the glory? why shouldn't he feel ecstatic and want to celebrate? and he can be forgiven for fumbling an odd, inappropriate request.

trump is the dick, not randall.

no randal woulndt have had to split his salary. i meant working a job in nyc on $100,000/year is laughable.

he wouldnt have had to split anything, but he did teach the donald a great lesson on randals own sense of loyalty.

I had no problem with Randal's decision! I think it was bullshit to make him decide, and I completely understand why he denied Rebecca the job. Trump hired him. He could have hired Rebecca but he didn't. Trump had so many multiple firings and all these stupid ratings boosters and he was just trying to get one more in there. I'm actually surprised that there's this much backlash on Randal. There should be one winner. And if Trump wanted more, he could have done it himself.

well said jack. the final word. end of story.

If Trump wanted to hire Rebecca he would have overruled Randal and did so!! Randal has not lost not an ounce of credibility with me. He was put on the spot to make a decision and he made it. No one can blame him for that!!

Rebecca had no business being on the same show as Randall let alone on the same stage. Randall and Alla were right, Becky should have been fired in week two.

Randal deserved the win all to himself. He was head and shoulders above the rest. Rebecca was ok, a little to animatronic for me which makes we really wonder if she was any good at all or put up a good front.

I think it would have been way cooler if trump would have asked Randal if he wanted to hire Rebecca to work for Randal. He could hire her on and then we could do a whole 'nuther 2 hour show on Randal firing her later.

So now Randal was supposed to loyal to his competiton? Goddamn that's retarded..I mean, mentally challenged since were all PC now with the "there should be 2 winners bullshit".

I still am totally lost how this whole thing is considered "racsist". Seriously folks, not everything is about race! My bet is that all the people that are screaming "racisim" would be sceaming "sexism" if Trump had declared Rebecca the winner and asked if he should also choose Randal. Then again, there is no telling how radicals are going to act. It's not what really happens that matters, it's what they want to be heard. The thing that cracks me up is that this was a publicity stunt and people fell for it! Trump could give two fu**s about Randal or Rebecca. He just wants everybody to talk about his show, and sure enough, people are talking.

Nee, Lisa, Jack, Moly, Phenom, all of you SUCK.

trump put randall in a very awkward position. he should have just made the decision himself. and randall should have thrown it back to trump to make the call rather than being a crybaby about it. whatever...i thought he was a dick since day one and he's just done a really good job of hiding it. i mean, hello, he's some bullshit consultant! that's the only skill those people have. and just the way he talks to everyone is so shifty...and he never f#ckin says anything. and having 5 degrees only says one thing about you...you cant focus on anything!
and to equate a stupid-ass reality show w/ race relations in America totally trivializes the seriousness of race issues in this country. as for rebecca, she's the real winner here b/c now she's got tons of offers on the table. and randall's gonna be stuck picking out new carpet for some tacky casino in new jersey!

Uh Oh, Jamison, now YOU are going to be accused of being a racist!

Is it me,or would NOTHING satisfy Alison Singer? She seemed to be bitchy and worried from day 1 and never stopped. Shouldn't she go back to being one of the taillies on Lost?

I dunno what to say about Randall. I mean, would it have been that hard to share the kingdom? These are both temporary jobs, and she wanted the one he didn't want. Oh well.

I did like Rebecca's new '80s hair. It rivaled that of Jennifer's. Yeah, Alla was just vengeful, and it was funny to see the look on Rebecca's face when she said it.

Right on Jamison!

#88: I really don't think that it was racist BUT it is easy to see why people would think that way...I believe that the viewers lack of understanding why this would be percieved as such and the producers and Trumps lack of realizing that is pretty ignorant though....It's not like it hasn't been proven many, many times that in the corporate world many qualified black job applicants are turned down to give the position to a less qualified white applicant...This show is all about the corporate world and this incident doesn't help to dispell any of that....

#89: Yeah. Having an opinion does suck nowadays..And you have yours, you're entitled to it..See? And I didn't even insult you for it..Yeah, I suck.

I THINK WE ALL NEED TO TURN OFF OUR TV'S AND COMPUTERS AND GET A F#CKIN LIFE!!! SMELL YA LATER!

A reference to Gray's Papaya AND pearl from 227?!?!? HOOORRAAAAYYYY

Great recap. Boo on randal.

When Randal was asked if Trump should also hire Rebecca, an ideal response would have been, "While I don't believe Rebecca is yet ready to manage projects of the magnitude of the condo development or casino expansion projects, she has the potential to be a true rising star and it would benefit you, Mr. Trump, to bring her on board in some other capacity before your competitors get their offers to her."

Being a smart guy and the one candidate this little white girl had rooted for all season, this would have been a way for this very smart and accomplished man to:

--make it clear that he wasn't down with being asked to share the title and benefits of being named the Apprentice #4;

--maintain the integrity of his argument that Rebecca lacked the experience to be the Apprentice;

--look like the magnanimous, smart manager who leads with niceness everyone thought him to be; and

--reinforce that he is a smart business person who has an eye to the future as well as the moment.

I not only think that Randal was well within his right to refuse to share the Apprentice title, but find it interesting that among all of those I've polled in my personal life, only those of us who understand the true spirit of competition can relate to where Randall is coming from. Those who say that there is nothing wrong with "sharing" a victory with a fellow competitor have clearly never engaged in a true competition in sports, business or academics.No, I don't believe the race card was played here (although being a Burnett production, little wonder people are asking the question), no, Trump instead played the 'nice' card and it backfired in his face. Trump was clearly caught off-guard by Randal's answer and it serves the egomaniac right for assuming that Randal was such a nice guy he wouldn't mind splitting his victory in half. Think about it... if Alla had made it to the final two, would Trump have had the gall to ask her if she didn't mind sharing her win with Becky? Oh, and I'm sure he would have been equally comfortable asking Kelly to hire Jen M. or asking Kendra about hiring Tana?And to all of those who insist that televised competitions where candidates live in 'Real World' dormitory accommodations are not games but indeed serious interviews... have none of you experienced a job interview other than what you've seen on TV?

Randal should go back to Rutgers (or, as I like to call it, STD University) and get a degree in manners. What a fucktard he is pulling that Highlander shit. He went from being so highly respected to being dick of the year in just a few seconds...and he has no regrets whatsoever! So Randal, good luck finding employment after Trump fires your ass (and you so know Randal won't last the year).

If I ever see him in the desert in need of a drink, I'll spit on him.

The way he responded to the question made him looks like a jackass.

And stop saying Trump didn't have the right to ask the question. It was unfair for Randall to be put in that position, but guess what, EVERYONE knew the twist was a possible double hiring, so Randall should have come prepared with an answer just in case (à la #98).

Guess that's two mistakes now for Randall and his poor foresight.

Randal's an ass. He just might ahve been better than Rebecca throughout the season but it's hard to tell from what the Apprentice has shown us. Yes, he did get picked by other teams but that's mostly a popularity contest. I ahve afeeling George Ross was going to raise up the issue of how Randal's 3-0 record was due as much to his opponents' incompetence as to anything he did.

Even the blackest among us has to admit that Randal blew the last task spectacularly. He didn't prepare for the weather. he let the one guy do all the work setting up seating while he kibbitzed with Marshawn about how hard he was working, he held the auction in a crowded & dingy room, he didn't present well to Alison Singer & he didn't have the celebs up on that stage.

Whilst Rebecca foolishly listened to Wenda Millard about stuffing the envelopes, she did everything else nicely. Her event was FAR superior. Where would YOU have rather been? As for the "$0" in donations, who knows how many of those envelopes came back in with checks enclosed? That audience seemed to have several gay men in there who were probably attending more for the PAF aspect than Yahoo!

Trump was an ass for asking him there are Randal was kind of a jerk for saying no.

Although, Trump has hired previously fired contestants. Andy, the super young debate team Harvard graduate, was one of them.

http://bostonworks.boston.com/bighelp/chat.html

One other thought about Trump asking Randal the question...

C'mon, Trump haters, since Trump appeared to want to hire both but honored Randal's wishes in the matter of hiring Rebecca at the same time, isn't there even the slightest chance that Trump was trying to show some loyalty to Randal instead of putting Randal on the spot?

Given how much of a big deal Trump makes over loyalty (and not just that night -- it comes up in every season), I personally think he asked Randal about his feelings about hiring Rebecca out of respect and loyalty to his chosen candidate. From what I have learned of Trump, to hire Rebecca without regard to Randal's feelings on the matter (either by not asking Randal the question at all, or by ignoring Randal's response and hiring Rebecca anyway) would be a blatant act of disloyalty to his new colleague.

Great recap, b-side. Prior to the Randall sh*tstorm there were so many truly priceless moments. It's nice to see them get the always-brilliant tvgasm treatment, and not overshadowed by everything else.

Toral screencaps always make me happy :-D

Don't worry about Rebecca, Yahoo immediately offered her a job!

Not to change the subject or anything (God forbid) but did anyone else notice how much Rebecca favors Melania? Just compare the two pictures: the one at the top of Rebecca and the one of Melania partly down the article.

If you want to make this about race, then what's to stop one from saying that Randal got into MIT and became a Rhodes scholar not only based on merit BUT ALSO in part due to affirmative action?

To Randal,

There's only room for one egotistical dickhead in the Trump organization. You're fired, biyotch.

Sincerely,

Donald Trump

#108: Well then I'd say he made the best of it.

Randal looks like Dee Brown (former NBA player and commentator on ESPN) and is just about as inarticulate as he is. What a disgrace to humanity.

Rather than use Jack Kevorkian's device, I think having Pete Domenic tell jokes is a much better form of assisted suicide. Joe Piscopo would have been funnier, and that's saying something.

Wenda Millard, STFU.

Randal is a rare jewel. He stated why Rebecca was not ready for a high-power position, and then stuck by his belief when his boss asked for his opinion 10 minutes later.

If I am a boss, I cherish people who are willing to speak their truth. Few do.

Randal did shake Becky's hand. Get your facts straight before you hate.

I am pretty sure that Randal clearly saw some shit about Rebecca that we weren't privy to. Just look at how conniving her countenance is in the pic above. She back-stabbed others and received the just fruits of her actions.

The point of the competition to Randal was NOT the job. It was NOT the "opportunity" to learn from the Donald. The point was to forever be branded the winner. It was to become known.

You seriously think Randal needs/needed Trump's wisdom? He needed exposure.

This was about being perceived a winner and any threat of a co-champion was to be squashed. Good on Randal.

Ed (#113), yes Randal got lots of exposure, but it's overwhelmingly negative exposure. Omarosa went on the show to become an uberbitch, and her efforts succeeded. I highly doubt that Randal has the same desire to appear on every reality show as the asshole extraordinaire. And yet that's where he may end up now, eating donkey liver on Fear Factor and talking shit to Steve Bartman on The Surreal Life 7. While some people will applaud Randal for his "integrity", lots of potential business partners will not deal with him in the future. It must really suck for him, knowing that unless he becomes Hitler, the first line of his obit will mention that he was the egotistical prick who wouldn't share on The Apprentice.

To the person who said that Rebecca favors Melania, I totally agree!

#113, "I am pretty sure that Randal clearly saw some shit about Rebecca that we weren't privy to. Just look at how conniving her countenance is in the pic above. She back-stabbed others and received the just fruits of her actions."

For someone big on facts, this is total hearsay and conjecture. Who did she backstab? And no, criticizing Randal for screwing up when it reflected poorly on her doesn't count. And ffs, you're judging her on her picture???

I gotta just laugh at some of these anti-Randal posts...Who the hell was Randall going up against? Mother Theresa? I really can't believe the things that are being said by people....He's a disgrace to humanity? WTF? egotistical prick is going to be on his tombstone? Whatever. Some of you people are real pieces of work.....

And here I thought that Randal would have pepperoni and onions on his tombstone...

There must be a lot of losers on the site because only losers would want the first place winner to share their prize with them.
The man won the competition. No one else has been asked to share. I think the racism is coming from all the people complaining after the show about a man who derserved to have HIS moment in the sun. If Trump asked Bill the question and he said no, it wouldn't be an issue. Trump was wrong to stop Randall's moment and ask such a loaded question.
The real question is why did want to hire her so badly? She raised NO MONEY!!!!!! He had fired people on previous shows for such offenses.
Don't get me wrong. I was ticked last year when Trump gave the two women the sissy, girl projects of decorationg his house or running the Miss Universe pageant. Trump to me has proven to be a racist(for not having the balls for hiring the Black man without provisions and for his poor editing protrayals of every Black contestant) and a sexist. I won't be watch next season.

Phenom, Randal committed the most selfish act ever on national tv. Should we laud his behavior? Hell to the no. He is a despicable creature and completely wasted all of his education if it meant that he learned nothing about kindness towards humanity. If he's all "I'm Mr. Cutthroat Capitalist Businessman who Screws People Over in Front of Millions", then I think he's a pathetic excuse for a human being. Even Trump has a little heart.

The irony is that the people who are complaining about the supposed racism on the show are the most racist people out there. Stop making everything about skin color and start admitting that Randal wasn't much better than Rebecca. And Nicole, are you fucking kidding me suggesting that Randal didn't get edited favorably throughout the season? If anything, he should have been portrayed more as the snake that he apparently is.

For including lots of Biblical quotations on his website, Randal is one cold bitch when it comes to sharing with others.

Rebecca is so lucky. She doesn't have to work in New Jersey or deal with Trump any more.

http://www.randallsucks.com

Here's the first anti-Randall site. I'm hoping to see firerandalpinkett.com by Monday.

#118, "If Trump asked Bill the question and he said no, it wouldn't be an issue."

You don't know this. In fact, given how well liked Kwame was, I'm guessing it would have been an issue more likely than not. Also, Randal got a great edit, especially given the fact his event sucked. No one was asking him to share, rather it was a sign of his status as the winner that he had the power to hire Rebecca or not. If he didn't want to hire her, fine, and it was an expected twist, but he could've done it with more tact. "Apprentii"??????

I'm the winner, na na na na na. By the way, I wouldn't spare a square in the bathroom either.

How the hell was Alla a stripper? She's fugly as hell and never shuts up. I bet her clients had to wear earplugs in The Champagne Room...and Mr. Magoo glasses. Carolyn is so much more attractive than Alla.

I heard Randal named his daughter Jumanji.

Jakc
Randall was portrayed well, but not every other African american to hit the show was. Granted, Omarosa was nuts, but when you have only two people of color on a show they pick the most colorful person personality wise and usually they look crazy.
And Jakc, don't curse at me it is not necessary and it is disrepectful.

#104

You make absolute perfect sense. Trump asking Randal if it was okay to hire Rebecca as well, may have been a respectful (albeit, crowd pleasing) way of him asking Randal to 'share the spotlight' with him. I think honestly Trump was not expecting this answer and was flabbergasted, sitting there holding his dick in shock.

Randal is a dick, just like the post title implies.

hey randal, will wikle has a comment to make about those karmic boomerangs.

Squidward, how could you dick Rebecca like that? Those sea anemones are so gonna anally rape you once you get back to Bikini Bottom.

Hey, it's not Rebecca's fault that her event didn't raise any money. It was a Yahoo party, not a true charitable event, and Yahoo was explicit that they did not want their guests solicited for contributions. Normally, at a charitable event like that all the money would have been raised in advance by selling tickets to the event, but Yahoo hosted the whole thing and invited their clients and employees. It was a company party, not a fundraising event.

I've never laughed so hard in my life reading some of these comments.

By the way, I'll be selling WWRGD? bracelets starting next week. Details to come.

MAKE SOME NOISE IN THIS JOINT!

To the tune of Kanye West's "Golddigger":

One whole year, one whole year

I know a goddamn prick who got Trump for one whole year

He went to school, got some jewel, played the rules, acted cool

Then when the lights hit he became a fucking fool

You saw him on TV, big as hell finale

Chance to be nice, said "You get no fucking salary."

He was supposed to be the freaking man, with the money

Now he should be on the lam, with the money

I hope he eats some bad flan, with the money

That fake don't need a new tan, with the money

Maybe he'll get run over by a van, with the money

If you ain't down with phonies, holla we hate Randal.

WE HATE RANDAL

It's something that you need to do

Cause when he leaves you Trump, he should have a big boo-boo

One whole year, one whole year

And after all that time, he said he doesn't even care

This shit is going platinum!

Wow, that song is tight. And Squidward, Plankton is forcibly going to perform a Dirty Sanchez on your ass.

It's a bit unfair to all the candidates to change the nature of the contest at the end. If two apprentices were being sought 1) The final challenge should not even have taken place, or 2) Alla and Felisha should have been included, since there should have been at least two candidates for each of the two spots. As it ended, it was like a pointless game of musical chairs where there are enough chairs for everyone. Very friendly, but not really a contest.

The final two are almost by definition equally qualified. I think Rebecca was lacking in only one thing: she is VERY young, and in a real business interview, potential is nice, but accomplishment and experience are better. She showed the problem with her youth in two ways: she didn't insist that the focus of her task was to raise funds, and she clung to her (foolish, I think) "loyalty" to Toral -- a candidate who was so roundly rejected by Trump that he didn't even bother to bring other people into the boardroom when he dismissed her.

If the final task was really the deciding factor, Randal raised funds and Rebecca didn't. End of story.

I can't believe people haven't mentioned that not only did Rebecca NOT raise any money for the charity, in the end she COST YAHOO AN ADDITIONAL $100,000 for making them look like selfish corporate bastards (not that they aren't). That should be a beyond firing offense.

And as for people who keep saying that they were the most qualified applicants who both deserved to be hired, what about Kelly and Jen M? I mean, Jen was FAR more qualified than Rebecca, and Trump never offered her a job.

Randall was right to do what he did. And Trump hardly needs permission from him anyway.

I think all this comming down on Randal is nuts. Why she he have to share his glory qith anyone whether they be white or black it should not matter it was a contest, has always been a damn contest and the same rules should apply, fuck appeasing America. Nobody eles had to share thier spotlight so niether should he. Why make is so difficult for Randal to enjoy his benifits from working hard. Hell they all worked hard but the best man won! and thats the end. dont put him in the hot seat..Shit Donald is the boss if he wanted to hire her he could have done it w/o that little extra that blew up in his face. So stop the hating keep it equal.

I have to go along with #102, Randal did fail spectacularly at the last task, besides the dumbo move of not checking the weather reports and having a alternate plan. First, he and Marshawn were sitting around fooling around with his lap top while Mark was taking care of all the logistics for the event. Then he insisted that the whole team to go The Party Store and pick out decorations. Finally, he acted extremely condescending whenever the Outback guy wanted to talk about the set up of the event. Granted the Outback guy was a bit of a jerk, but he was a sponsor and deserved more than eye-rolling and meaningless lip service from Randal.

Then after Randal's seemingly inexplicable jackass dick move Thursday night, I started thinking more about his performance over the entire season. Even though he has a winning PM record, most of time he coasted to victory through the significant input of his teammates. Yeah, that's what being a PM or a CEO is all about, but in flies in the face of the majority of the posts here that claim Randal is this big time genius that outperforms Rebecca by far. Besides the already mentioned XM radio poster that he botched, he also screwed up the star wars task where he was the self-proclaimed expert, yet he didn't tell the team that Darth Vader was the freaking star of the entire trilogy and should be featured in the display? Even some of his victories were unimaginative and uninspired, like the Learning Annex project. I think that victory came just because the other team so spectacularly imploded with the Sex At Work class.

Despite his five degrees and being a Rhodes Scholar, I think Randal knew he was in over his head in being chosen as Trump's apprentice. He probably vetoed Rebecca's also being selected because he knew he would be exposed as the living breathing example of the Peter Principle that he is.

As for Trump, if he wants to ignore the Randal warnings/complaints that he received from BOTH Carolyn and George, then he deserves whatever he gets.

OK, I made a few improvements. Check out this hotness:

To the tune of Kanye West's "Golddigger":

One whole year, one whole year

I know a goddamn prick who got Trump for one whole year

He went to school, got some jewel, played the rules, acted cool

Then when all the lights hit he became a fucking tool

You saw him on TV, big as hell finale

Chance to be nice, said "You get no fucking salary."

He was supposed to be Mr. GQ man, with the money

Now he ain't got no fan, with the money

That fake don't need a new tan, with the money

Maybe he'll get run over by a van, with the money

Then be dicked by Jan the plump tran, with the money

Die of poison from bad oat bran, with the money

If you ain't down with these traitor phonies, holla we hate Randal.

WE HATE RANDAL

It's something that hardcore fans need, yeah we spit the truth

Cause when he leaves you Trump, make sure he worse than Bluth

One whole year, 12 months time

To make his life a living hell and not even pay him no dime

CHORUS

[He screwed the world]
Now I ain't saying Randal bad leader[Won't take the fall]
Just a motherfucking bottomfeeder[He screwed the world]
Now I ain't saying Randal bad leader [Won't take the fall]
Just a motherfucking bottomfeeder
[He needs to leave]
Get out, tool, go ahead get out
[He needs to leave]
Get out, tool, go ahead get out
[He needs to leave]
Get out, tool, go ahead get out
[He needs to leave]
Get out, tool, go ahead get out

Show me some love.

Ok enough of this racist bullshit. The only people bringing up race are racists. Race had nothing to do with any of this and those of us who are color blind are upset about Randal's selfishness - which is a trait of all races. Take what's her face in Survivor who didn't give the other 4 tribe members a car. She's WHITE and I was just as against that. For us non-racists it's not the color of skin but the content of their character.

And before you all start on me I am white....

but I do have a black penis.

Jack #80 - I usually love your posts but this line "why on earth should an experienced, successful businessman with a world-class education be asked to dilute his victory so the pretty little white girl can share the glory?" had me fuming. Who needs racism when sexism is alive and well living in TVGasm. Sheesh.

Rebecca is a truly talented young lady who is poised beyond her years and was completely unflappable no matter what went on. Unlike Randal who couldn't even pull off a coherent phone call with that autism lady who wanted to know when he'd pull the game.

And in response to #137 - " can't believe people haven't mentioned that not only did Rebecca NOT raise any money for the charity, in the end she COST YAHOO AN ADDITIONAL $100,000 for making them look like selfish corporate bastards (not that they aren't)." Are you kidding? I rewatched the finale and on MANY occasions the Yahoo execs were in Rebecca's face making sure she knew that it would not be acceptable for her to ask for money. I think Dredge said it best in post #79 - Yahoo exploited the whole "charity" idea for the opportunity to splash their logo all over network tv for the final two episodes. Sadly for Yahoo, the only PR they got out of this was negative.

Imagine going to an auction and finding it set in a long narrow locker room. You are stuck in the back so you can't see anything, and the only decor is some balloons and tents that make a small room look smaller. Randal should have put the stage in the center of the room, used all those white chairs in rows around that stage so everyone had a seat (make your damn guests comfortable for crying out loud) and everyone would have had a view. Put the celebs in the front rows and call each celeb up on stage when you are auctioning their goods. It's simple event planning and Randal failed at that. In my humble opinion.

Aries, megaword to you.

I'm still surprised that Trump picked Randal after showing at least fifteen horrible judgment calls during the final task alone.

I think that Mark Burnett realized that Randal wasn't all that and decided to knock him down a few pegs. Then it was Randal who went from marginally competent to egregiously assholy.

Milkshake, do you have a vanity license plate that says "WL HUNG"?

Hi, this is Markus here from The Apprentice. I just want to defend Randal from some of the harsh criticism on this site.

I think that Randal acted professional in a way that can only be understood by people who have been in his professional position. What I mean is that race only matters if you're winning. Otherwise, you're kinda like the tortoise but then winning takes longer to enjoy. You have to be proactive unless thinking inside the box is the paradigm that you want to project to customers. At the end of the day, globalization can help people but only if they want to be helped.

Where was I? Oh yeah, I want to announce that I invented pants. I'm officially suing Levi Strauss for saying that they invented pants. Al Gore, you're next on my list.

Anyways, go Randal.

Good gosh, are people posting while smoking insane amounts of weed or something?

I was so disappointed that Randall had to be so nasty. He could have taken the high road. I had routed for him to win all through the series. Now I wish I'd never even bothered watching. I'm done with the Apprentice.

Randal Pinkett doesn't care about white people. If he and Marshawn were in the final two, you know he would have let her have the job.

Did Melania recently get implants or are her boobs bigger because of the pregancy? The show of cleavage almost made up for Randal. Almost.

B-Side, what's the record for most comments in a single posting?

I think what people are confusing is what a gesture like being gracious at this time actually would have meant. The game was over in my eyes when DT turned to Randal and said "you're hired"... he already WAS the SOLE apprentice. To recommend Rebecca for a job at that point would have taken nothing from his win, because that was where the game had ended and real life began again (as much as it could for anyone in The Donald's organization, that is).

The Olympics analogies are all wrong there. To me, it was more analogous to the gold medal winner, when asked about the silver medalist, ask he if would recommend him for a sports contract (that wouldn't interfere with his own career), NOT share a "tie". For Randal to do what he did, left him the winner of the Apprentice (and he would have been regardless), but a loser in life.

#145: I was awaiting the word from Markus. (Where to start ... drum fingers ... breathe deeply ... take up space ... it was a railroad from the beginning ...)

I loved that Melissa was tucked in the upper right corner, and would obviously be asked about nothing, lest women jealous of her looks rebel. We all care ... REALLY.

Milkshake: Please post a photo, and confirm that once you've had black you'll never go back. I want testimonials.

holyterror: Here's a link to a picture (18 and older only please)

http://www.northeastelitist.com/blackpeni.jpg

If he really wanted to, Trump coulda gone double finger-gun & hired em both at the same time. He was a dick for asking Randall to approve it basically.
Randall is a dick, not for what he said, but the way he said it.
Alla is a dick... no, I'm sorry.. that's her profession... but she is a bitter old C-U-Next-Tuesday.
Marzia (#137) Rebecca did not cost Yahoo $100K- NICE TO MEET YOU WENDA MILLARD did- and she should've been fired for it, not sitting in the audience at the finale.
And I must commend TVGasm for getting the best picture I've seen to date proving that Trump really is bald underneath all that combover. I see scalp.

Trump won- everyone is talking, and now he can build on it for his next Apprentice.

HaHaHa,

This is hilarious. If you read these comments, you might think that Rebecca was 3-0 as a PM or that Rebecca was more liked, respected and feared as a competitor than Randal, or that Rebecca would never stupe to an unseemly level such as when she said that she "lost respect for Randal" because he miswrote a station on a poster board, or that Rebecca never chose to stand behind one of the single most incompetent people, Toral, in Apprentice history. It's hilarious.

Just face it people, Randal was better, he deserved to win and in America we don't share the gold medal or first prize. We aren't Socialists, at least I hope not. So let Randal have his win in peace and let's put our collective energy into destroying the real evildoers - The Nerd Herd.

Face it Rebecca was a bitch who no one liked and I bet she smells of rotten carp.

Phenom-I am black and I do think Rebecca got screwed. Randall just showed exactly why he shouldn't have been the Apprentice. Randal said that Rebecca was his little sister. Do you shaft your sister? He also sounded like an idiot. Apprenti? wtf? If that's the best answer he could come up with he should have kept his mouth shut. Also, anyone he works with from now on will be wary of him.He made it clear that you can work hard for him and he will not have your back at all. When my boss promotes me and I think someone else is qualified I do not say that he can only hire one manageri. I want what is best for the company, this isn't third grade. You can share the spotlight.

Trump didn't hire both at the same time and put it on randall because he didn't expect randall to act like a little bitch

Fellah- your comment sounds personal. I almost suspect that you might be dismissed Apprenti. Your name could be a combo of Fellicia and Allah!!!

kaneetra...I think you're absolutely right. I would hate to work for Randal... always wondering when I would get a knife in the back from this prick. Personally, I thought that he would win, and deservedly so, but he really blew it... it was obvious that he was the first choice, he wasn't sharing anything. This is the one thing he'll always be remembered for...being a selfish asshole.

Randal must have done many things off-camera in the earlier tasks because I can't see why all those other people were so impressed with him. He doesn't speak well, he skips details & he wasn't exactly the hardest working man in Trumptown. I know this version of the show wanted to ahve a black winner; I just wish it could have been Marshawn.

Actually, the one thing Randal will be remebered for is kicking that chicks ass on national TV. Also, nice save N90ATC, I love the "it could have been Marshawn", to dilute the racism of the rest of the post. Why didn't you say that you aren't "comfortable" with Randal, or he seems a bit "violent" for the Trump Organization or wait, wait he's lazy, shuffling and speaks jive, oh sorry, you covered those points.

First off the Jennifer M. comment, photo and caption is a scream! Thank you!

I hear Yahoo! hired Rebecca and not just cause she created the Yahootini! Good for her!

And as for Randall- He went from having a wonderful aura to bad karma in 0.2 seconds!

Kaneetra, Rebecca isn't his little sister she was a competitor..Randal realized it and showed her the door..Bravo for him.
And I can understand people disagreeing with what he did, but to call the man names and completely disrespect him because he didn't do a favor for somebody that NONE OF YOU PEOPLE KNOW is really stupid..Randal is human and sometimes people do things that you aren't going to agree with..But it was his decision to make and people should respect it even if they don't agree with it...

This was a competition and Randall deserved the win. He outclassed Rebecca throughout the competition and was 100 times better than her in every aspect. Why should he bow down to allow a pretty white girl with less qualifications share his Apprentice title?

Give Us All A BREAK!

I'v read through everyone's comments, and I think a couple people have hit the point-the problem was not about Randal being a dick or a racist or anything else. The problem was, he was unprepared. I saw a few good suggestions of things he could have said in response to Trump's question that would have made him come off a lot better.
I don't mean to insult anyone, but I doubt most of us are Rhodes Scholars from Oxford, yet we all came up with better answers! Everyone seemed to know there was a possibility of a double hiring twist.
Randal showed he is a bad employee because he came to the meeting without a good plan B!

Hitman0023 kicks Bendleker's AIM fight ass!!! whats up now? East Syde!

Randall's character was revealed the moment he denied Rebecca the job. He is a small minded man who sees a world of scarcity, not abundance. I suspect it is a result of an insular, blue collar upbringing, which he has tried to escape by piling one degree on top of the next. He might have the certificates of diploma, but he does not have the mind of a true visionary entrepeneur. Such men understand that by lighting the candle of another, you light you path as well.

P.S. He might have the degrees, but for an Oxfored/MIT graduate, he is horribly inarticulate. Hearing him trip over his words was painful.

I agree with most everyone here, that Randal should have been more gracious in victory.

There is an online petition at www.hirerebeccanow.com, sign it and pass it on to anyone you think might sign it!

I had picked both Randal and Rebecca as the final two for quite some time. I still do not see what is so wonderful about Randal.

This last task was a prime example. What would the results of this have been had the two been "assigned" employees? Rebecca would have won hands down because Randal was "saved" numerous times by both Josh and Mark. Mr. Outback had to tell Randal to help Mark. Randal was content sitting in the office looking at Mark work. Randal didn't realize he was in trouble until Mr. Outback told him that he wouldn't be happy if the sponsorship was pulled. Randal took all 4 people to the trashy party store? You don't shop at a crap-hole like that for a VIP party. Josh and Mark saved this competition for Randal and I believe that the rain was the best thing that could have happened to the event. This way it had an excuse for being somewhat disorganized and thrown-together. No Plan B? He didn't have one because he has probably never needed one -- he is out of his league.

Rebecca may not have performed as well as Randal throughout the season; but she unquestionalby won this final task. In the end, her event brought in donations for BOTH charities. 11K to 100K. Humm . . .

Trump shouldn't have asked Randal the final question; but Randal could have responded in a much better way. Moments earlier Trump had praised "loyalty" and Randal quickly showed that he didn't really believe in it. My respect for Mr. Niceness went way down as well -- "little sister" my ass.

Chris was fired for the same kind of action Randal made. Rebecca would have been good for ANY organization -- that is without question. Shouldn't Randal want the BEST for his company? Yes, but I think he also wanted some fortune and glory.

Unfortunately Randal's star fell just when it should have risen. Obviously Randal wasn't the "nice" guy we had all watched. He is successful, talented and respected; but I don't know how genuine that "niceness" actually is.

Randal made the right choice. Not one that I would have made, but the right choice. It was wrong for such a clear winner to be asked to share the spotlight. Why have two winners this time? It's not like Rebecca was that outstanding. He could have been a little nicer about it though.

omg, people...no reality show has two winners...can you see the AR finale, with the winners being asked "hey, that couple made second place...can they share in your victory?" UH, NO! no competition has two winners. he was WAY better than rebecca through the whole thing...and, i'm sorry, but her ass was FAKE and like such a robot, especially in the last task and the boardroom.

his arguments were right on...he had an undefeated record, both teams wanted him, and he RUNS companies, while she writes about them...BIG difference. there's no way she was ready to run one of trump's projects. the best person won, period. he doesn't need to share it with someone less-qualified.

Jamison # 89, don't get mad, GET OVER IT!! Now who's the sucker!!

Milkshake (#153): WHOAAAA! I am SO there!!!

Trump is an idiot for asking Randall's opinion.

Randall overemphasized the importance of the project manager victories. That was annoying to me. That means so very little.

Randall screwed up the call numbers during the XM task and thinks the plural of Apprentice is Apprentii. He has some definite gaps in his literacy.

suebee- randall is a rhodes scholar that attended MIT..i seriously doubt he's got "gaps" in the literacy departement..everyone's allowed to slip up once in a while.

as for trump--what an asshole for putting randall on the spot. i don't think randall could have made any other decision (he was probably thinking that trump was testing him). at the end of the day, it wasn't randall's decision to hire rebecca; it was trump's. if he wanted her so badly, he should have just hired her as well. but he, being the "ultimate, best, greatest, most spectacular" douchebag that he is, decided to make randall out to be the antagonist--give me a break! it's a competition: let randall bask in the glory that he deserved

I wasn't surprised Randall acted the way he did, and I don't feel bad for Rebecca.

As far as I'm concerned, they both showed their true colors when they stole the megaphones in the Shania Twain perfume task.

I was hoping Trump would not hire either of them, although I doubted that would happen.

Rebecca learned a valueable lesson: The way a person treats others, is the way they'll always end up treating you. Perhaps she could reflect on that the next time she organizes a charity fundraiser that raises no funds.

A few comments above had suggested that Trump was setting Randall up. He was. Trump gave a little speech that said this is a buisness, not entertainment.

He was setting up Randall to make the right decision, and yet chose to be a selfish douchebag.

I saw an interview with Randall and Trump on a local Boston newscast after the show. Laughably, Randall said he said what he did because "one apprentice" is "what the show is about".

So you see he was just protecting the integrity of the show... yeah right.

I don't care what Randall's professional credentials are, he IS a a dick.

Please continue to make fun of him for this.

Maybe Trump should hire both candidates and Martha should hire neither candidate -- then there would be balance in the Apprentice Universe.

LOL! after reading all of these posts I'm absolutely sure that if the shoe was on the other foot and Rebbeca was given the choice to choose Randal, and she did,(because she's Mother Theresa) a lot of you would have screamed "affirmative action".....
And for all of you that think that your responses would have been sooo good instead of Randal's...Hindsight is a mother ain't it? In all my years working, compassion and corporations never seemed to even be in the same universe.....I'll remember all of this the next time I'm in a weeks long COMPETITION, that at the very end were all winners, just so I can make some people that I don't know happy. Because that's what the true spirt of competition is, especially in the world of business...I guess it isn't so cutthroat anymore..

#177

I agree with everything except what you said about them 'stealing' the megaphones. I thought it was an excellent strategic move in a fierce competition. Now, had they been friendly rivals like a lot of businesses are, then yeah, that could have been very devious, but this was a life or death match against the other team. Also, Trump LOVED what they did, I mean were they supposed to just pass up that opportunity and let the other team buy the megaphones?

Rebecca's track record wasn't as good as Randal's but her presence performing as a manager seriously impressed me, whereas the pro-Randal comments from everyone during the season, was praise that I could not understand. The show did give him a good edit, obviously, but track record aside, they never really showed him take command as effectively as Rebecca did...besides the barbie doll troop hated her from day one, most likely out of jealousy (and the fact she did come across a bit prudish).

At the end of the day, Randal's credentials, experience, sub-par final task results and pervious wins were what made him the best choice to win. Denying Rebecca a chance for a job with Trump, was very selfish, and made him look like a complete horse's ass on national TV. Though it created a buzz, opposite of what Trump more than likely wanted, I'm sure Trump is not happy at his latest apprentice, since the job is mainly a PR job...who wants to see someone who is hated like that?

Because of Randal's impressive credentials, everyone seems to have forgotten about Rebecca's -- University of Chicago grad, investment banker, trader in London. At 23, this is most definitely more impressive than Randal's was at that age. Randal focused on school and then segued into consulting, which although is challenging, is aboslutely no match for Rebecca's experience in terms of discipline, control, and intellect as an analyst in an investment bank (coming from someone who has worked in both fields). Consultants take a sweep through the company, write a report, and then leave it to those with real power to make the cuts. Therefore, no, Rebecca doesn't just WRITE about business anymore than Randal RUNS businesses.

Aw, come on, let's not turn this into a racist thing. Trump actually expected Randal to act as he did. The Donald is a world-class egotist and Randal matched his level. Pure and simple, competiton is for tough people. If you can't stand the heat...

I believe it's OK for a race winner to help up a fallen competitor, but he shouldn't make him the co-winner just because he TRIED. In this world, you either win or lose. Quick, now, who came in second in last year's Daytona 500?

I don't think "stealing" is too strong a word. They took something that did not belong to them.

Please don't overlook the fact that they had to LIE to get them. They couldn't obtain the megaphones honestly, and they knew it. Honest people don't have to "stand watch" when a business transaction is going on.

If a rival business had posed as someone they were not, in order to secure a service or product away from someone else that they otherwise couldn't get; they would establish a durable reputation as a shady dealer. The move also shows a lack of skill- an "excellent strategic move" would have been to get the megaphones somewhere else. Are we to believe RadioShack is the only place you can get megaphones in New York City? As well, as dishonesty, that just shows lazyness.

If a rival business had called one of Trump's contractors and posed as the Trump Organization to take building materials from a vendor, do you think he would be impressed?

In business, you don't burn bridges like that and not pay a price. Your competition one day may be a potential partner the next. The fact that Trump praised this behavior is a 'uge disappointment, because I think Trump knows that.

Had the losing team on that task made that point instead of wilting away, Trump might have been swayed on that issue, I think.

#182 - I believe it was Sally Struthers who came in second at the Daytona 500. And if she had won the apprentice i'm sure she would've shared the victory with squidward.

Why does it always have to come down to a race thing?

"I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man."
-- Morgan Freeman

Anyone who really thinks that Rebecca had a shot in Hell is really smoking banana peels. Look at Randal's credentials. Now look at hers. She just came of legal drinking age 2 years ago for shit's sake. There is no waaaay someone that young can "run a million dollar project" (though you guys know the winners don't really do that, right?). She was a snotty, self-righteous boob who thought much too highly of her own meager talents. Here's the door, you hoser.

Oh. And most people would go home crying to mommy after a broken ankle? Sheesh. We're not talking about a compound fracture of the spine here.

Randal won and should have won. Despite the fact that he pulled a prick move at the very end. Ass!

People who drool over Rebecca's so-called management skills have obviously never worked anywhere more demanding than a Jack-in-the-Box.

White guy? Check!
Woman? Check!
African American? Check!
Asian? Tune in next season!

I'm reminded of all those baby commercials that have to have the mixed gender Hispanic/Caucasian/Black/Asian combination. Never fails to keep this PC Nation humming!

I know they aren't usually posted on HotJobs but isn't there a less grueling and humiliating way to apply to one of Trump's hundreds of companies than to appear on a TV show? Like...oh, I don't know, sending along a resume?

I can tell you now, nothing shows the potential to run a high-visibility, million dollar project for Donald Trump than to whore a multitude of brand-name products, design terrible fashions for a trendy fashion show, run charity auctions for the same two charities over and over, hawk warm lemonade on the sidewalks of Manhattan, create ad campaigns for movies no one wants to see, con people into calling for a few drops of stinky Shania Twain pefume, or participate in lame Home Depot workshops. Nothing, I tell you!!

mike wallace-- so true about including every race in the "winners pool," so he doesn't come off as racist...but you forgot the main rule:
for every one minority, trump must hire two stiff, white guys

#186, not necessarily disagreeing, but Randal couldn't run a baseball game. It would've been a handsdown victory for Randal, but he blew the most important competition.

I think both actually have fairly comparable resumes from what I can tell of the NBC site, although Randal would obviously have more credentials on account of his age. And if it was all about the resume then why bother with the competition. As for his 5 degrees, just means he is very well educated. So was Toral. Just playing devil's advocate, but one could argue that Rebecca has the more impressive trajectory, getting right into a business career, gaining practical experience in several fields, and achieving sh*tloads more for her age than any other candidate than I can recall.

Chronic, I agree with everything you said about Rebecca, the only problem is she lost the competition..She wasn't chosen. I think that is very important. The main reason why I am so glad that Randal did not choose Rebecca is because in doing that, he saved the show from a predictable, corny finale..It would not have suprised most of us had he hired both, and Trump's "twist" would have been shit...People's reaction to all of this is why we always get such crappy predictable television....Everything has got to end in some neat crowd pleasing way..I say to hell with all of that, life can be ugly and sometimes good people lose...To all of the people whining about how Rebecca was screwed, she was a success before she got on this show, and she'll be fine afterwards...

Mike Wallace, what about the hermaphroditic Native American winner?

People who get five degrees continue to go to school because they can't interact successfully in the real world. That explains why Randal, while well meaning most of the time, came off as a complete prick.

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Trump had to do this because it would have sent a powerful message to America if he didn't. The message is that a black person can actually be the smartest and the most qualified person out of all the candidates that applied. That would mean being more qualified and intelligent than every white person that applied. This is not the message America wants to hear. America has no problem with blacks being the strongest and fastest (sports) as this is well known. However, the though of black being as smart as whites/Asians/etc.. is not something we (America) have come to grips with.

The Apprentice had an objective this season to find a highly qualified Black candidate with a very strong possibility of wining. Randal was clearly one of the best applicants the show has ever had so there was no way Trump could not hire him. In order to hire a black candidate and not piss off the American majority trump pulled this shit out of his hat. Basically he would have accomplished two goals. 1) Hire a black candidate. 2) Not piss of the American majority for letting a dirty secret out. (Blacks can be as smart as or even smarter than whites).

If trump would have said you’re both hired without asking Randal it would have been very obvious. The black community would have been outrage and it would be all over the news. So to play the game Trump put the question in Randal’s lap thinking he would say yes. If Randal said yes this would have taken the pressure off a backlash from blacks.
WHEN HAVE YOU EVER KNOW TRUMP TO ASK SOMEONE ELSE TO MAKE A DECISION HE NORMALLY MAKES. TRUMP WHOULD HAVE JUST MADE IT AND SAID YOU’RE BOTH HIRED. Fearing a backlash from blacks he asked Randal hoping he said yes. Randal understands being black in a white corporate world. I’m sure he’s had to overcome many obstacles and prejudices. This is why he knew trump would ask him this question…and he knew right what to say.

Watch the show again. Listen close to what Randal and Donald Trump says:

Randal: If you believe I should be the sole and single winner tonight please stand.

- Why would Randal have to say SOLE and SINGLE apprentice as if he knew what Donald Trump was up to.

After trump asked Randal and Rebecca which jobs would they pick, and both picked opposite, Trump said:

Donald Trump: Well that makes it a little bit easier

What easier? If there is only ONE person to offer the position to what is being made easier. It’s not like you have to accommodate both wishes if they picked the same location? Because there’s one and only one apprentice right!

Look at the performance report. Rebecca is not even close. So how is it fair that she's even consider as a co-apprentice.
What is the real reason people are mad...hmm

http://apprentice.tv.yahoo.com/trump/04/show/performance_report.html

#184 I don't think that Rebecca would have done anything different than Randall had the roles been reversed.

Remember that Rebecca was very happy to throw Randall under the bus after the XM radio task loss.

It was totally unnessesary, as it was a slam dunk for Clay to be sent away.

A little bit of payback, perhaps?

I really disliked both of these final two. I saw a slick layer of slime on both of them long before the final show.

The part that made them look really pathetic is after putting up a facade of being calm and rational when questioned by Carolyn and George, they started screeching and howling over each other when they had thier chance to talk. Neither took the opportunity to play the class act.

They looked like little kids throwing a temper tantrum to win daddy's love.

I picture Trump laughing to himself over their needy, and desparate behavior; "Dance, puppets! Dance!"

I probably would have said okay to giving the job to Rebecca just because I was put on the spot and it was the expected answer. I would have been totally pissed about it and would have felt that it was an unfair turn of events that could have been handled as a post-game "guess what we hired Rebecca too" press release. I really can't knock the man for pointing out that he won. I'm an African American female who has achieved great success in my career. When the rumors began that Trump was going to hire both, I was not surprised. I'm not going to get into the petty details of why Rebecca was not in the same league as Randal. She really was not. Most people who are comfortable making that comparison are looking at subjective factors. Those are the factors that the editing can manipulate. Randal wins on the books. If this had been a script that we all had to read and not a tv show, I believe the differene in the two candidates would be easier to see. The editing showed Rebecca standing up to pressure and being brave in the boardroom because that's all she really had going for her. She was not winning anything and her bravery was not resulting in much success. However, it all made us feel really good about a losing candidate. I liked Rebecca a lot and even though Alla was more successful, understood that there was a "gut check" feeling about Rebecca that made her a more likeable candidate. Alla was probably a better match up for Randal in this contest. My point in saying all of this is that once you get beyond how Rebecca made you feel, she really did win anything, let alone this contest.

When discussing the possibility of the double hire, my friends and I were again reminded that we, as African Americans, have to work twice as hard to have the same success as our counterparts. We just saw this much criticized belief played out on national television.

I'm very curious as to why viewers feel that Randal betrayed Rebecca, or stabbed her in the back, or screwed her out of something. Why did he owe her anything? They were competitors who got along fairly well, that's it. No one was saying that Rebecca was a heartless bitch for saying that she lost respect for Randal for the typo.

Since this episode aired, I've read some of the most hateful, racist and ignorant comments ever. From people saying things aobut the man's dead grandmother to wishing he was dead. Not to mention the "affirmative action" comments that have been prevalent on this board since Randal started standing out as a likely winner. What's funny is that any time a black person does well, people start saying things like what Mike Wallace wrote in his post earlier. Randal could have been purple with yellow trim and he still would have been the stand out candidate. The things that made Randal great could not be manipulated by the editing. He's extremely intelligent (I for one think that his Apprentii comment was an exaggerated play on words to point out the ridiculousness of what Trump was asking him to agree to), he is successful and he was winning all of his tasks. The fact that he was clearly one of the most qualified candidates ever did not stop the "affirmative action" posters.

I blame Trump for causing this commotion, but I welcome the commotion if it leads to meaningful discussion. African Americans and White Americans often don't share the same perspective, and it usually takes a heated discussion to even begin to recognize where the problems start. I'm willing to engage in the discussion, but it has to be somewhat realistic. If it starts with how Randal is the most horrible person in the world because did not want the share his spotlight, its not realistic. I even read a post questioning whether he was a Christian (which entails believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins) because he did not want Rebecca hired on Thursday. It gets insane and people tend to get caught up in the moment and say pretty ridiculous things. I waited a few days to post, but I wanted to post something. I usually don't get into discussion about race with White people that I don't know because it seems like a waste of time. However, I love this board and decided to put my opinions on the chopping block. At the very least, I wanted to support the posters that I agree with.

For all the spell checkers, this is a long post and I'm proofing it, so if I typed something wrong, please don't take it as a reflection of my intelligence or my ability to snap back.

V

Okay - one mistake in my post that I sort of have to point out. I meant that it was a long post and I WASN'T proofing it. Sorry

V

Vee--

That was well-stated. Thank you.

You're very welcome. Maybe by the 300th post we'll be holding hands singing a tvgasm version of "we are the world." BTW, I love your recaps and have used them to get through many a dull day.

#198 You bring up some interesting points.

Let me comment in no particular order

"I'm very curious as to why viewers feel that Randal betrayed Rebecca, or stabbed her in the back, or screwed her out of something. Why did he owe her anything?"

I don't feel that Randall owed Rebecca anything, per se. But I think recommending Rebecca would make a positive statement about Randall. It would say that he wasn't threatened by Rebecca. He proved himself the superior performer, and did what he set out to do. Whatever else happens is irrelavant.

If he wasn't comfortable saying "Yes, hire Rebecca too." He could have given a different answer than he did. He could say, "If you want to hire Rebecca in addition to me, I wouldn't be offended." Or he could say, "I trust you to do what's best for your company, you can do whatever you like."

I don't think it was a case of stabbing her in the back so much as a missed opportunity to be a true professional.

Instead, he acted without any dignity. Yelling at the crowd to stand up in support, and basically carring on like a child forced to share his birthday cake with the kid with the runny nose.

As far as your point goes about making Rebecca look better than she was, I think you are right. In last season, Kendra kicked the crap out of Tana on her final task and yet they still played it up as though it were a close contest.

They did the same thing this season- I don't think it was a race thing, it was another anemic attempt at building suspense.

I have some strong objections to both of these two finalists and they have nothing to do with race.

I can't know for certain that race was not a factor in this process, can you say for certain that it was?

Can anybody?

Meh, it's all good.

Rebecca got a job (a pretty sweet one for a 23 year old),

Randall got a pretty nice job (and he'll have enough punishment by working with Trump and the backlash from his decision... although I'm sure the fact he's a millionaire will console him).

Trump will learn that people might not do exactly what he wants. Actually, no he won't -- he's Trump.

"Since this episode aired, I've read some of the most hateful, racist and ignorant comments ever. From people saying things about the man's dead grandmother to wishing he was dead."

Hey Vee, My favorite so far is the "He's a disgrace to humanity" post.. Who knew that Trump ran the U.N. and that this job had anything to do with humanity? It's a CORPORATE job, probably one of the most souless things a person could do for a living..

I've read the same thing and it's pretty sad that people are reacting this strongly to it..

Great post..

Some feel that Rebecca would have politely done the same as Randall did, if Trumph had tapped her to do so. Both were fine, highly professional choices, perhaps the best Trumph has had throughout all four seasons. I think both would have chosen to eliminate strong competition when winning high profile leadership is at hand. Until the final moments, that was the great expectation--one winner, one apprentice. I wonder if Randall would be getting so much flax if both he and Rebecca were of the same race. Would anyone have been surprised or appalled if Rebecca had had the opportunity to dismiss Randall?

Thanks for the response Datadragon. Let me start by responding to some of your statements about Randal. First, I didn't find his actions any less professional than the situation called for. He was asked why he should win, and in turning to the fired candidates (not the crowd) he was demonstrating that most of the folks that had worked with him and Rebecca thought that he should win. He was no doubt theatrical, but they were on a stage. (You have to give me that one.) I think that you just don't agree with his decision and it taints the way you see everything. That's human nature and I admittedly do it all the time. (I tend get upset at the person all over again for fucking with my judgment). One thing that I won't do is question why you think he should have agreed to hire Rebecca, that's your opinion and I really respect it. We can't all agree, it's impossible. What I am having a problem with is that people are very dismissive of Randal's reasons for not wanting her hired THAT NIGHT. Can't we just respect that he might have had valid reasons for it; reasons that you don't agree with or understand or know?

Second, I don't think race had anything to do with the process per se. However, in terms of equating the two candidates, I think that race may play a factor. I don't think that it's deliberate. I think that it's subconscious; this idea that the best African American person equals a mediocre white person (albeit with potential;)). It's the same thing that happened when I was looking for law firms to summer with after my first year in law school. I was first in my class, on law review and moot court, at a non-ivy league school. I was interviewing at the best law firms around, but the law firms would not even look at 3rd, 4th, 5th in my class. But the students at the ivy league schools were not even in the top 10% of their class and they were getting interviews along with me. The firms were very up front with the theory you had to be number one at my school to equal a number 20 at Harvard. It had nothing to do with actual performance or test scores (or understanding of the law for that matter). There's a belief that ivy league students are just better, or compete harder or whatever. I think that same thing happens when comparing African Americans to White candidates, but on a subconscious level. How else can you explain the prevailing belief that they were equal? I was insulted for Randal that Trump was so insistent on equating them. I have to understand that I can't get into Trump's head and say for sure what he was thinking. I may be wrong. Trump might have had some other reason for really liking Rebecca. Because I don't know for sure, I don't call Trump a racist or a horrible person or some other name. I disagree with him and try to state intelligently why I disagree.

Having said that, I absolutely think that some posts and comments have everything to do with race. I'm willing to go through all 197 before my first post and point them out to you. If you want I will also point out the comments that qualify that were posted before he won the contest.

I stand by my statement that Randal is a disgrace to humanity. Should we celebrate people who are motivated by selfish greed and who deny others an opportunity in order to stoke their massive egos? I think not.

If Randal felt that Rebecca was not worthy of being hired by the Trump organization, then that's fine. But when Randal repeatedly mentioned the "one and only" Apprentice, Randal showed that his reasoning had absolutely nothing to do with Rebecca's qualifications (or lack thereof).

I realize that this is just a silly reality show, but Randal is a prime example of behavior that I find repugnant. Maybe one day he'll look back and realize that he made a mistake not because of the negative p.r. but because he was selfish and insecure.

Will this be the most commented-on TVgasm post? It still has a ways to go before it can touch the behemoth 765 comments that Laguna Beach once accrued, but I think it could happen!

Richard Head - What was he denying her? Not giving a dollar to a man with no legs is a disgrace to humanity maybe. Toxic waste is a disgrace to humanity. Child labor, pedophilia, $500k hand bags, environmental racism, securities fraud - those are disgraces. Wanting a day to enjoy a well deserved victory is not a disgrace to humanity. You are being overdramatic. He said hire one person TONIGHT. She isn't suffering. He wanted a moment in the sun, I agree. But that is not a disgrace. Take a moment to consider that. Now, consider what Randall might have felt in having his resume and accomplishments equated to a young girl with potential. I actually made myself laughing imaginging a real hiring committee discussion where the two of them were up for hire and folks were really having a hard time saying which was the best. At any rate, can you see where someone in Randal's position might have seen the question as an insult that he had to defend himself against? Now, calm down before you answer that question. I'm not asking you to agree that it was an insult, I'm just asking you to open your mind and try to see how someone else might have felt.

V

#207: "I stand by my statement that Randal is a disgrace to humanity. Should we celebrate people who are motivated by selfish greed and who deny others an opportunity in order to stoke their massive egos? I think not."

WTF?

Then why the hell are you watching The Apprentice at all?

you know what a disgrace to humanity is? someone who kills innocent people, someone who deliberately injures or hurts another, someone who is cruel to animals.

someone who won the Apprentice and didn't want to share his fairly- earned position HARDLY qualifies for a "disgrace to humanity"...please check your words.
if you feel THAT strongly about randal, then you might as well say that about every other corporate businessman/woman on EARTH. guess what? it's a competition meant for one winner: if you can't stand the game, then please, don't bother to play

this is getting HILARIOUS!

"if you can't stand the game, then please, don't bother to play"

ha! guess you told them!

I've been a big fan of Randal from the beginning. He is one of the few people on this show that I would actually like to work with. Like most humans on the planet he has made a few mistakes but how can anybody fault him for that? I think that if he had decided differently there would be just as many people criticizing him for being stupid as there are now. I don't think the fact that he was hired was due to his race, I don't think him being asked to give Rebecca a job was because of his race, and I don't think the fact that he said no had anything to do with race. This whole thing just proves what we've all known all along: Trump is an idiot.

I think that the biggest reason for the animus against Randal is because he came off as such a nice guy throughout the entire season. As a result, many viewers had a belief that Randal was generous and kindhearted. But when he pulled his stunt at the end of the show, people were stunned that their conception of Randal was merely a facade. Basically, it was like having a Band-Aid being torn off to reveal a gangrenous wound that we weren't even aware of.

The whole situation would not have been as buzzworthy if Randal was portrayed negatively during the season.

Let's say Omarosa won the first season of The Apprentice against Bill. If Trump asked Omarosa about possibly hiring Bill and she made a self-serving refusal, people would have expected it. That doesn't mean she would have avoided criticism, but her decision would be consistent with the behavior that viewers saw all season.

My personal opinion is that the Randal we saw during the finale is probably closer to the real Randal than what we saw during most of the season. No way a businessman acts nice all the time.

So basically, if you're going to screw someone over (not that I'm a big fan of robbing other people of a job), do it in private. But when you, in effect, ensure that someone else will not get a job and make that decision in front of the American public, you better be ready for a shitstorm.

Again, how was he screwing her over? He was certainly not ensuring that she did not get a job. He very pointedly directed his comments on what would happen that night. All of the other "also rans" were offered jobs later in a press release. (stick to the fucking program Trump). It's not like he told Trump that Rebecca should never be hired, he just said she shouldn't be hired that night. Nor did he turn to the camera and ask that all of corporate america turn their backs on Rebecca. If he had done something that tended to ensure that Rebecca would not be hired by anyone, I would agree he was scum(i.e. call her a racist on tv like Omarossa did to what's-her-name). That would have been screwing her over.

V: I am really not understanding any of your posts. While I think I take issue with many of your points (kind of hard to tell because there are so many and some of them contradict each other) but one that really stands out is #206 when you talk about Randal's education and your own recruiting experiences. It sounds like you're giving Randal's education the same benefit of the doubt that you resented when interviewing for jobs with the kids from Harvard with a lower class rank. I won't even go into how naieve it is to believe that the #1 student from No Name Law School will be given the same shakes in recruiting as #50 from Harvard. It never was, is, or ever will be. But strip away all of Randal's degrees and his Rhodes scholarship, and what do you have? Probably something less than the smart No Name Law School student or the dumb Harvard Law School student.

Randal made it clear that his reason for not wanting Rebecca to be hired was because it would take away from his glory. He took what Trump intended to be a pro forma decision and decided to make his self-serving speech. There was no way that Trump could then overrule Randal on national tv with just a few seconds left before the program ended. Did Randal have anything to lose by saying yes? I really don't think so. The fact that he said no means that he wanted to deprive Rebecca of the job (no way Trump hires her now lest he overrule King Randal and start even more racial controversy). And that is the definition of screwing someone over.

Re. Vee #206

"I didn't find his actions any less professional than the situation called for. He was asked why he should win, and in turning to the fired candidates (not the crowd) he was demonstrating that most of the folks that had worked with him and Rebecca thought that he should win. He was no doubt theatrical, but they were on a stage. (You have to give me that one.)"

The situation was the final episode of a reality TV show - not exactly a high bar for professionalism. He's not going to be working in TV land after the show ends, he'll be in the real world, not a stage, where that behavior could only hurt him. He didn't have to demonstrate why he should win - he DID win, and rightfully so, in my opinion.

"I think that you just don't agree with his decision and it taints the way you see everything. "

I don't think so, I objected to his conduct more than his decision, there's a classy way to make your point and a tactless way. Finding a way to say unpleasant things (e.g. give an employee a negative performance evaluation, ect.) in a way that doesn't compromise your own dignity and make you look bad, is a hallmark of leadership. Randall, who holds heavy credentials (including a doctoral thesis on communication) must know this, or have at least read it somewhere.

He acted like a man under attack after the war was over. He could have calmly said, "No, Mr. Trump. If I were you I wouldn't hire Rebecca. She has a lot of talent but she's not ready yet." And that would have been the end of it. I can allow for a certain amount of drama, given the situation- but I think Randall was laying it on way too thick.

"One thing that I won't do is question why you think he should have agreed to hire Rebecca, that's your opinion and I really respect it."

I don't really care about his decison so much as the attitude he took in presenting it. I believe that Randall had everything to gain and nothing to lose by saying "hire Rebecca".

Can't we just respect that he might have had valid reasons for it; reasons that you don't agree with or understand or know?

He gave his reason, "There should be only one Apprentice, that's what the show is about" (paraphrasing). He also mentioned it numerous times in follow-up interviews. That's his reason, and he's sticking too it. I just 'aint buying it. I think he was afraid it would show weakness or that Trump was testing him. I don't think he cares about "what the show is about". I think he was covering his own ass.

How else can you explain the prevailing belief that they were equal (besides race)?

Probably because we were keep being told that they were and all the promotion was steered in that direction.

"I was insulted for Randal that Trump was so insistent on equating them."

I was insulted for Kendra that Trump kept insisting season 3 was a "tough decision". I think the entire show promotional machine (of which Trump plays the driving role) has to make us feel the final two are close competitors. I was dying to see the boardroom where Trump debriefed the "employee" candidiates at the end of season 3. Undoubtedly they ripped Tana a new one. And I would have loved seeing it because she really deserved it. But we didn't get it because Trump had to equate them. I think they figured that noone would watch the final episode if the winner was obvious.

"Having said that, I absolutely think that some posts and comments have everything to do with race. I'm willing to go through all 197 before my first post and point them out to you. If you want I will also point out the comments that qualify that were posted before he won the contest."

You misunderstand. I'm sure there are plenty of viewers making race an issue, but my point was that I can't say if the production of the show or the canditate selection had a racial element. In absence on anything more than speculation, I can't see a good reason to go there.

Not Fooled (#168): I totally agree with your class based argument. Randal probably thought of Trump's potential offer to Rebecca as taking something away from Randal himself instead of an opportunity to share an opportunity. 99% of the blame for this lies with Trump for not better articulating the terms of the arrangement. But it's unfortunate that the 1% of the blame that Randal shares is getting all of the attention, largely because he acted like such a jerk on national tv in front of millions of viewers.

I never equated Randall's education to my own recruiting experiences. The stories are only related in that they deal with education. After you said that I understood why you didn't understand my many posts. My law school was not "no name" it was just not Ivy League. And I was given the same shakes as the #50 because I was #1. (did you really not comprehend this?). I am afraid it is going to take a long time to get you to understand what I was saying, but I'll try (sigh).

Law school tests, for the most part, are the same. There's really only so much you can test on. The assumption is that folks who can get into ivy league schools are better academically than folks who can't. Therefore, the competition is greater and the grades are "harder earned." Trust me, Aries, not only am I not naive, I'm well versed on all the arguments. The point I am making is that it relies on a series of assumptions that may or may not correctly assess the candidates performance. For instance, the reason why I was at the school that I was in was because I had a child in grade school when I went to schoool. I researched the school districts of the schools I was interested in and very few of them were "blue ribbon" school districts. I chose the school that I chose because I wanted my son to have the best education that he could. It wasn't a representation of my academic abilities. I would have gotten into any school I wanted and the courses aren't that much different from school to school. My choice in school was not really reflective of anything but my desire to put my son first. However, recruiters don't know the background story of most of the applicants and why they are at the schools they are at. They make intelligent assumptions of what a "Harvard Student" means. I don't knock them for the most part, and I understand why law firms make that assumption. It's easy, sensible and formulaic.

The reason why I brought it up at all was to draw a comparison between that thinking and what I think happens when comparing African Americans to White Americans. The problem with this thinking is that White folks aren't harvard and black folks aren't no name law school. Understand? Even if it is logical for law firms to pick recruits that way, races shouldn't be judged the same way. Get it? Again, I'm not saying that is what happened for sure, but it is a way of looking at it.

"But strip away all of Randal's degrees and his Rhodes scholarship, and what do you have? Probably something less than the smart No Name Law School student or the dumb Harvard Law School student."

This is an interesting statement. If you strip anyone of all of their degrees they will be "academically" less than a person with a graduate degree. Duh. What the hell are trying to say with this statement?

Everyone who thinks Randal is such a dick needs to shut the fuck up. He'd won all his challenges, he has the better education, his business sense seems to be much better. Business is a kill or be killed rule, Randal played by good business ethics and was a smart move to deny Rebecca a hiring. Besides, why should it even be his call? I believe it was wrong of Trump to place the decision in Randal's hands. If he liked Rebecca so god damn much he should have declared Randal the Apprentice and hired Rebecca the next day behind the scenes. Randal worked hard to be the one and only Apprentice, after all that should he be made to share the prize? No.

#218 Datadragon -
You misunderstand. I'm sure there are plenty of viewers making race an issue, but my point was that I can't say if the production of the show or the canditate selection had a racial element. In absence on anything more than speculation, I can't see a good reason to go there.

I didn't misunderstand your comment. But I assumed it was in response to my initial comment (#198) which was for the most part directed at posts that were very much racial. However, I've had a couple of vodka gimlets and my recollection of previous posts can validly be called into question. Having said that, I will refrain from replying to any posts until the morning. In the morning I can't promise that I won't be extremely sensitive and caustic.

This has been an entertaining debate (not including the poster that called me naive, grrrr.). Everyone enjoy a happy holiday if I don't make it back before then.

V

This equivalence argument is simply farcical. Randal started from scratch, nurtured and built, a million-dollar enterprise. He has consulted for Big Pharma.

Rebecca has done nothing approaching this. Not.Even.Close.

I truly believe Trump is an equal oportunity jerk, though. I also have much sympathy for minorities, like Vee, who see the subtle bigotry of varied expectation. It does exist, people.

It is impossible for me to see a hiring situation from a distance and not wonder the extent of affirmative action bias. A female black rose to become a vice-president in my former company without meeting the standards/pre-requisites in place at the time of her hire as an underling. All of a sudden, the rules were "massaged" and she was found to qualify. Guess whose face is on countless pieces of publicity/marketing of the corporation? Oh, did I forget to mention that this female physically attacked the wife of the man with whom she was having an affair (and later married). Oh, and that this happened IN THE WORKPLACE?

Good on Randal for standing up for himself in the face of a fool named Trump. His decision to work for a division coming out of a Trump-induced bankruptcy demonstrates well that he recognizes opportunity, as well.

Rebecca was not qualified to become an apprentice. But she would most definitely merit consideration at a lower level.

omg(#212)- i couldn't tell if that was a personal dig or a compliment..please verify :)

Again on the race issues...

MAYBE the problem is with the Reality TV giants these days and only putting on their shows token Asian/Black/Hispanic/Lesbian/Gay/Transvestite/Handicapped/Old/Young/whatever people instead of reflecting, as well as possible, the ethnic diversity (amongst other things) in the actual applicants for the show.

Apologies to token groups I missed.

#221 If Randal's business sense is so much better, then why did he screw up that last task so much? Rebecca's task was done well except that she didn't greet Trump on the sidewalk. That auction that Randal held looked like the tackiest event this side of a WB reality show. As I said above, I saw nothing that Randal did this season that indicated how he was a leader in this contest. Throw in the fact that Rebecca had to work with a bunch of harpies in the earliest tasks & that just adds to her burden.

Vee, I hope when you're going through all the racist comments that your eyes don't glide by the "pretty little white girl" posts that others wrote. BTW You bring up some good points but you can't con me with that BS about how blacks have to perform twice as well as whites to get ahead in this country. I work in government so maybe it's different but blacks have the run of the place where I work.

N90ATC

A M E N ! ! !

If Trump's business sense is so great why did he go bankrupt in the 80's? If Bill Gates business sense is so great why has Google eclipsed Microsoft as the top technology firm in the world? If Abraham Lincoln was such a great leader why did he lose at 5 races for elected office?

I hate to use these people who obviously accomplished far more than Randal or Rebecca, for the matter, but the point is you don't judge people on one isolated event N90ATC, or whatever the hell that stands for. The fact remains that Randal won all of his challenges as the leader of his teams, Randal was consistently wanted by the other teams during the season and in the end every Apprentice candidate but Toral, who is obviously retarded, and Adam, who I do like, felt that Randal was a better candidate.

I should pose the question back to you. What exactly did Rebecca do on any consistent basis better than Randal? She didn't lead better than him, she didn't engender as much respect as Randal, so tell me what specific events can you point to where Rebecca shined SO brightly during the Apprentice, because the only times where Rebecca looked really good where when Randal was there helping her out.

Randal had the chance to be a SUPERSTAR...but he dropped the ball. If he would of consented to let Rebecca be hired, he would of come across as one hell of a man. From his accomplishments to being a kind / humble man. Instead he came across as a " F A K E " ! Maybe he was afraid as posted earlier of the back lash from "Black America". Shame on him! So he could had the praises and admiration of all America but he settled for only a small percentage. Sad.... I wonder what his grandmother would say.

"I work in government so maybe it's different but blacks have the run of the place where I work."
N90ATC

I bet you 90% of the blacks where you work are former/retired military. The same still applies. Blacks and other minorities have to enlist in US Military and put up with 4 years of Bulls**t before they can get a decent job.

What puzzles me is all this affirmative action talk. The man was clearly one of the smartest ever out of all candidates. Did anyone say affirmative action when last year a woman won? Don't say it's not a race issue because it clearly is. When 80% of whites and 90% of blacks disagree with each other, what do you call it? You think its luck that 80% of whites disagreed with 90% of blacks. NO, the root of this problem is race and can't anyone say different. "Don't pull the race card" "why blacks always use the race card"..That's bulls**t. The race card was already pulled when 80% of whites decided to hate Randal for reasons other than.

There’s always exceptions to the rules, and if your not in that 80% then this does not apply to you.

Ooooooooo yea.... Fellah.... that was well thought out. And the statement about Toral being retarted really sealed your half baked argument. Don't forget Fellah [BTW is that ZULU for stupid ass?] it was your boy Randal who couldn't even freaaaaaaakin [as Adam would say :-)] draw up the poster right when Rebecca was the PM. In fact Trump said that was a good enough reason to fired him but he gave Randal a pass. Mmmmm I wonder why?

Report Card.
It's not even close as folks are trying to make it. Trump did see something in her, he saw a younger version of his wife.

http://apprentice.tv.yahoo.com/trump/04/show/performance_report.html

I don't have anything more to add - I just want to help make this the longest comments section in gasm history

I do too!!!

#232: PLB Who the hell do you think you are bringing logic into this?

Whoa! This discussion is really getting out of hand. I was disappointed in Randall's response because I don't see how it would have taken anything away from him to say, "Yes, hire Rebecca." However, I can understand his desire to have his 15 minutes of glory and I wouldn't have objected if he had said "You should hire Rebecca tomorrow, but for tonight, there should only be one Apprentice." I think this may have been what he wanted to say, but that's not what came out.

Whatever, get over it, folks. All of us have our moments of petty selfishness, but fortunately they're not broadcast on national TV. Let's stop villifying a basically decent guy.

Bring on the Bachelor in Paris!!

V: I'm offended you would take my post as some sort of personal attack on your academic choices and resort to cursing to disagree with one of my points, especially when you were more eloquent in your other posts. I did not call you naieve, I only said one of your points was naieve, and I stand by that, your response to me notwithstanding. However, I have no interest in turning this disagreement into a flame war on this thread so please email me at arieswharton@yahoo.com if there's further comment.

Too bad Rebecca wasn't a spicy Latina. Everybody loves a spicy Latina.

hey, leave abraham lincoln out of this...

I think that making an overture to hire Rebecca as part of the show is more honest and engaging to the audience than waiting until the cameras are off and then doing it.

Wow - I guess I have to respond before the morning.

Aries - I did not resort to cursing to disagree with you. I thought I used sound arguments personally. I can't even find the curse word in my post in response to yours. At any rate, I understand what you were calling naive, but you truly misunderstood the point of my post. Please re-read it. I was not making a point about the emphasis law schools place on schools. Trust me, I understand that. I was drawing an analogy and stating that the same logic DOES NOT apply or should not apply when dealing with different ethnic groups. I only relayed my reasons for choosing the school that I did to show that even the law firms can get it wrong. Assumptions and generalizations are never right all of the time. But I will apologize for attempting to illustrate a point in a way that has somehow side tracked this discussion. Let me bullet point my position.

1. I would not have done what Randal did because I'm a people pleaser. It's a fault of mine.

2. I understand Randal's disappointment at being equated to Rebecca. I even understand his disagreement with her being hiring, even though I would not have made the same decision.

3. I do think that race was the equalizer.

4. A lot of the posts have been motivated by race, including mine I suppose.

5. I like vodka gimlets and I like to curse. Please don't be offended by either of these things.

N90ATC - I never said that the only racist comments were from white folks. However, can you really equate referring to Rebecca as a pretty white girl to saying that the only reason Randal was the apprentice was because Trump was due to pick a black man? I wasn't referring to the comments that touched on race as a discussion point. I was really referring to the hurtful comments like:

"Don't forget Fellah [BTW is that ZULU for stupid ass?]"

For those of you saying racist remarks about Randal being the first Apprentice...first off, most people here I'm sure don't care one way or the other bc most have been for Randal. It's just his arrogance that turned them off towards him, whether he was black, white, yellow, polka dot...you name it.

Besides, if the roles were reversed and Rebecca had denied Randal, you know all freaking hell would have broken loose, in the race wars. This whole thing though is stupid...Randal won, he deserved it the most, but was a jackass about it, even though Trump put him on the spot. Rebecca did very well, and was deserving of a runner up prize, bc it was offered by Trump, but Randal didn't want to share his 15 minutes with her so he basically bitch slapped her down on national TV. If the roles were reversed, I'm sure there would be all kinds of lawsuits coming down.

I had Randall picked from the very beginning, he all the true qualities of a leader, plust more. He had the admiration of all his colleges and the folks at home like myself. He was gracious and kind to all his fellow competitors. Even his motto on his website: To Whom Much is Given, Much is Expected" speaks volumes about this guy...but that one lapse in judgement alone, that final 5 seconds of the show ruined everything for me and many people out there.

Rebecca's is right, Randall is a great guy, but he just doesn't see the "overall picture'.

Why did Trump repeatedly add that Randal was nice? I think Trump gave Randal this final opportunity to show how "nice" he truly was. Trump was floored with how "nice" Randal had always been and I think he was floored again when Randal did something that wasn't so nice.

Randal would have been remembered NOT as the co-winner of the fourth season of the Apprentice; but he would have been remembered as the "nicest guy in the world" who got Rebecca her job. Randal was picked first -- he was the winner and it would have been HIS opinon of Rebecca that got her hired. Trump wasn't making them equal; he asked Randal his opinon.

Six years from now nobody is going to remember who won the fourth season of the Apprentice but everyone would have remembered that year two people won. Sadly Randal will now be known as a dick instead of a nice guy.

Will you people please stop bringing back the race card?

I'm not white, and still think Randall acted like an ass compared to Rebecca.

Drop the Kanye West speeches.

TWill...LOL! Who on earth is going to think about the Apprentice 6 years from now? Please. We only remember Bill because he keeps showing up...we've pretty much forgotten about Kelly & Kendra...it's really not that big of a deal, in the big scheme of things.

I still don't understand why Randal was even asked to choose? It's not as if he's not competent. I think he has experience and Rebecca has moxy, which is not a bad thing for a 23 year old to have. She certainly is impressive for that young (my main goal back then was to get through college somewhat sober). But, for a GAZILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY, someone needs more than just spunk. Randal was the clear choice. Why is he a "dick" for saying no? If we change the Olympics to two Gold medal winners, and someone protests, are they, "dicks"? I think the title of this blog is offensive because it indicates that if he didn't "bring along Miss Second Place, he's a dick." Next time you win the lottery, and they ask you, "would you like to give a little to the #2 winner" are you a dick if you say no?
I think it's pretty "dicky" (haha) to expect Randal to say differently. Is Danni on Survivor a dick for not sharing with Stephanie? Or the Linzes on TARFE dicks for not sharing?
No. The Aprentice is a single winner. Otherwise, where's the competition? He's no less of a man for saying no.
Fuzzbait

Even though it was totally dickish, I think Randall did the smart thing. This season was all about surprise firings, and I can totally envision a scene in which Randall goes "nice" and recommends hiring Rebecca, at which point Trump decides Randall is weak, fires him, and hires Rebecca anyway. I think he did the right thing for the show, the wrong thing for real life. This is not reality though, so good for him. I liked Rebecca, and have no doubt that she'll be fine, with or without Randall to speak on her behalf.

Vee.............

I'm sorry for the Zulu comment.

Re #247 - Fuzzbait

Randall was not being asked to share his prize. Hiring Rebecca would not have taken $1 out of his pocket. That's why people think he was a jerk for saying no. He had the opportunity to be extremely generous to somebody he supposedly liked and respected at no expense to himself, but he said no.

#242: "Besides, if the roles were reversed and Rebecca had denied Randal, you know all freaking hell would have broken loose, in the race wars"

Besides being an offensive statement it's also FALSE. There has already been a black runnerup on the apprentice ON THE VERY FIRST SEASON..Kwame.And he wasn't offered a deal..

Hmm no race riots happened that time, unless it was a very quiet one.....

To the people who "liked" Randal until he made his one big "mistake"...It takes a dick to know a dick. Because completely hating somebody after they do one thing wrong in your eyes is one of the biggest dick moves ever......Especially if he didn't do any wrong to you personally...

Phenom - I think your example of Kwame/Bill is misplaced. Bill was not given the option to hire Kwame too. If he had been - and had declined I'm sure people would be just as up in arms about that as they are about this. No one knew then that at some point Trump would offer the chance for a double hiring.

As for those of you who keep comparing this to the Olympics - it's apples and orangse. Firms are not like the Olympics - they have room for more than one outstanding candidate to be hired in.

As for calling us all "dicks" because we were not impressed with Randal's selfish decision - that's just low class.

On Fox & Friends, Rebecca claimed that she went to talk to Randal after the finale and congratulated him. According to her, he said absolutely nothing and walked away. If this is true -- and I have no reason to doubt her story -- how could you not consider Randal to be a douchebag? He cares about himself and himself only. That's a fine attitude if you're the head of your own company but not when you're working for Trump. Have fun peddling Trump Ice in a windowless office in the basement of a dingy office building, Randal.

Great recap B-Side.

"Why not allow Rebecca to be hired too? It doesn't detract from your winnings. You just wanted to hoard all the glory for yourself, didn't you, RANDAL!"

Totally contradictory. Of course having two winners detract from Randall. The one and only point of this show is to be THE Apprentice. Or else The Donald could have ended the show a couple weeks ago by hiring both of them.

The true DICK here is The Donald and anyone who thinks Randal should have said yes.

But I am in the group who thinks this was totally racial. The Donald didn't want to ram black Randal down his conservative executives throat and a beautiful white woman would definetely soften the blow. As a matter of fact I wonder how many black executives or board members Trump has. I'll have to look into that.

But we people of color know that if Randall had said yes he would have been relegated to the back burner while Rebecca took all of the acclaim and glory (see the 'The 48 Laws of Power' by Robert Greene). Randall immediately recognized this and cut both Trump and Rebecca at the knees.

Was Randall crude in doing this? YES.

Was it a smart business move? YES.

Did Randall make a "Don't fuck with me" statement to Trump and any executive he may deal with? YES

It was a decision that said "you can't railroad me". And I agree with it.

PS. I doubt that Trump would have made that same proposal had Marshawn and Randall been the final two.

Great article with some quotes directly from Randal and Rebecca. See...he's still a dick.

site

From the article: Did Pinkett think Trump put him in an awkward position? "That's a great question," Pinkett said, "but I now work for the man. But that's a great question." Nice non-answer, Randy.

There's also a nice shout out to Matt Sinovic's petition that he mentioned earlier on here, site

People who think this is about race are racists themselves. That is just so obvious. All this talk is only worsening race relations in the US. and you have yourselves to blame

whoa. i already thought this board was getting a little nuts when i dropped my two cents on friday, back before the posts hit the century mark. but hey, i'm all for knocking laguna beach off the top of the list.

funny how nobody ever wants to talk about race, but once they get started, they can't shut up. i guess it's easier to be blunt (and occasionally unreasonable) in anonymity.

it's amazing how seriously we all take something that's sort of a campy joke of a bad tv show to begin with. all the folks who fault randall for being 'greedy' and 'selfish' seem to be forgetting that he's spent the last two months competing to be the apprentice to donald trump, the tackiest, greediest, most arrogant and selfish blowhard in recent pop culture history! if we're going to call randall classless for dissing rebecca, why don't we call him out (along with every other candidate) for even being on the stupid show in the first place? this is trump we're talking about here, not jesus or warren buffett! he's not even really the biggest real estate tycoon in NYC--he's just the only one who puts his face on the side of buses and his name in ten-to-twenty foot letters on everything he builds.

when people bring up words like 'class' and 'dignity' in relation to a show that invites allegedly accomplished professionals to suck up and grovel before the world's most famous comb-over artist, i feel the need to call for a little perspective.

i'm not convinced that rebecca would have made the finals if trump hadn't fired the three bill rancic clones at once, but that's beside the point. greed, ambition, ruthlessness, and bottom-line thinking are sort of what corporate america is built on, so it seems silly to crucify randall for fitting the shoe.

randall could have handled the situation better, but jesus.

^ Sorry, here's the websites that I referenced above since I was not smart enough to include them in the links the first time. I hope this works.

What an idiot....http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/13427073.htm

and

http://www.HireRebeccaNow.com

Randal saved the show.

If he hires both of them, what's the point? Am going to watch next year if nobody even wins? Maybe as a real-life employee, Rebecca is an assett, but she's not so great that she's worth damaging the show, which is probably Trumps most valuable asset in terms of the combined revenue and free marketing.

Here's what I think Trump should have done. Hire Randall, and then give Randall an opportunity to hire Rebecca. Maybe make it so that Randall would have been higher up than Rebecca, and she could have said no if she wanted to.

Dogg Pound - if that is a true story that is 'uuuuuge! Of course whoever told you that watches fox news channel and may not be the best source of information. But if somebody could find an audio link to that it might shutup all the Johnny Cochrans on here.

I agree with Guest, why is randall winning about race? The first black man to be Donald Trumps Apprentice, there are better things in life to acheive, he's smart and talented, thats why he won

Would it be possible for you to get me a screencap of the man who stood up and donated $100,000 on the live part of the finale? He is an alumni of my college, and I'd like a copy of his photo!! Melissa.Sue@gmail.com

Thanks so much.

Did your college teach its students to run a company that doesn't allow money to be raised at charity events? You must be very proud...

Attn Randal: Uh, this HAS happened in an Olympic event. Canadians Sale and Pelletier were screwed out of their gold medal and ended up SHARING it with Berezhnaya and Sikharulidze. It was the right thing to do which is something that you obviously know nothing about.

#252: As for calling us all "dicks" because we were not impressed with Randal's selfish decision - that's just low class."

So you don't like being called a dick do you? Nobody does..Why should it be different for anyone on this forum that has been doing it to Randal? Jeez, the title of this article is "WHAT A DICK" This just proves my point. What gives anybody the right to do it?

"Bill was not given the option to hire Kwame too."

Exactly........So why put Randal through that?

And I will stand by what I said...

Completely hating somebody after they do one thing wrong in your eyes is one of the biggest dick moves ever......Especially if he didn't do any wrong to you personally...It's happened to me before and it is completely unwarranted. We are all supposed to be human after all and nobody's perfect....
ESPECIALLY in a once in a lifetime situation like that..Nobody here knows Randal OR Rebecca personally..So why should either of them be disrespected?

This is absolutely my last post on this subject!

Here's why Randal made a mistake in not advising that Trump should hire Rebecca. In business, when you have the opportunity to do a favor for someone else at no cost to yourself, you should do it because it builds your personal capital. You never know when you might need a favor from the person you're helping now. By not recommending the hiring of Rebecca, Randal lost a lot of personal capital, and that's a bad business move.

Did you think that the MC/ Comedian Pete Dominick was funny?

I hated that Pete comic guy. Did you notice what a diva he turned into, when they wanted him to go on early? As if the event was all about him! Rebecca bugged me. Yes Mr. Trump, no Mr. Trump, perhaps Mr. Trump..blah blah blah. I dont blame Randy for not wanting Trump to hire her. It would have taken away from his win, and it would be like asking you to share a gold medal with someone after you won the Olympics (I think Randy said this on the Today Show)..he was right in not agreeing to it. The show also did not really show all the help Rebecca must have received due to her broken ankle. I can bet the rest of the candidates were tired of opening doors for her, carrying her stuff, and just plain dealing with it.

Randal did the right thing. It was a competition and it's business. If he had said, "yes, let me share the title" people would be giving him shit for being a pussy. Nothing was stopping Trump from still hiring Rebecca. He could have easily said, "I don't agree, I want two Apprenti this season." But he didn't. Bottom lind: Randal said the right thing.

#255 - RealityTV4Me

Not in any season of The Apprentice has a contestant failed in such a way that Rebecca has. She brought in NO MONEY for her charity. NONE...ZILCH...ZERO. A resounding failure. Such a failure that Yahoo! had to donate $100,000 DURING the show. Now that's a big fat failure. Why would anyone, not to mention Trump, want to hire someone who didn't raise money for their charity when that was the task?

And to blindside Randall with that "would you hire Rebecca?" BS.

Randall should have imeediately responded to Trump "would you have hired someone who brought in NO money for their chairty?" That would have shut up Trump and all of Randalls critics!

Ok its one thing to feel strongly about a subject...but come on there has been over 200 posts, debating a tv show?? I know thats what we all come here for, but its not like we are having a pro-choice pro-life argument here...people are taking it too seriously when they really shouldnt...its Entertainment! TV! And come on...in a real job interview those two would have never been up against each other a qualified educated person against a young spunky go getter. I consider myself a young spunky go getter but I would know why I wasnt chosen if I were up against someone with that much education and experience in that field...Donald Trump makes a big deal about saying its a 13 week job interview but its all for him to make more money and get fame while hes at it!It may be called reality tv, but its no where near reality, and in a real job interview the person who was hired would never be asked to bring the other person along with him.

DICKhead! Flowers.

Seriously, how does someone have FIVE degrees and a Rhodes scholar and not know the plural of apprentice is aprentices, not "apprentii"?!?!? Dick!

LMAO- Jennifer""Mr. Trump, I'd like to remind you to return your seat to its upright position." & post #39!

Phenom-
Speaking for myself, I don't completely hate Randall, because as you said, I don't even know him. However, I think he was a dick at that moment, not for what he said, but the way he said it. He had a few months to think about this possibility and his response, and it was clear he knew what was up. Why do I think he was a dick- because like you said, it takes one to know one, and I've had moments in my life that I've been a dick, saying something that I could've put in a nicer way.
That being said, Trump is a dick for pushing the show to the last 2 minutes and then dropping this bomb. He had many alternative ways to ask this particular question. One example would have been. "Randall, as my newest employee and THE Apprentice, I now ask you to make your first business decision for me. Do you think Rebecca would be a good hire to work as UNDER you for this New Jersey project?" Like I said this is only one example. Trump had months to think about this too, and it shows poor planning on his part to drop this load at the last second. He had to know the type of reaction it was going to get.

I've always thought Randal was selfish. I'm divorcing his ass!

Abortion is murder

I think the Monday morning quarterbacking here is muddling the situation. Watching the show live, my initial gut reaction was "what a jerk". Despite all the arguments presented analyzing whether Randal's response was right or wrong, I'm sticking with my gut and whether it was a smart business move or a royal blunder, racially motivated or not even close....Randal's staggering pedigree, at the end of the day, can't remove the word ASSHAT stamped cleanly on his forehead.

Did anyone catch the part where Markus is talking on the line backstage and everyone is ignoring him

thats the funniest part of the whole show

congrats Randal.

Trump doesnt hire too many minorities, thats a fact, I personally know alot of Trump Inc, employees, that could be another show,*they are not too happy with his early retirement program , if you know what I mean

I'll take that back, "doesnt hire alot of minorities" sorry forgot about the Hispanics in the janitorial positions

I'm currently reading "The Tipping Point" by Malcolm Gladwell, and there's a section in the book that deals with the Power of Context. Malcolm explains a phenomenon called Fundamental Attribution Error (FAE) which proscribes to the belief that when interpreting other people's behavior, we tend to overestimate the importance of fundamental character traits and underestimate the importance of the situation and context. We like to put forth a dispositional explanation for events as opposes to a contextual explanation. I honestly think that we do this a great deal, and it is particularly noticeable when discussing reality tv shows, because they are situations that are purposefully edited to present character traits. Having this perspective, I understand why some folks "hate" Randal and others are understanding of the situation he was put in. Interesting huh? Am I making this too serious? Like someone said, it is a tv show;) I love to debate shi..err..stuff (Sorry Aries) like this.

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Randal's response to TV Guide if he had to do it over after all the backlash is he wouldn't change a thing. He'd still be a dick. Now that's a DICK! Given the chance to un-dick himself, he'd STILL be one. Way to go, Randal! Whooo Hooooo!

I think that one thing that people are forgetting (and I am SURPRISED it hasn't come up yet) is that Trump really had nothing to do with this. Mark Burnett is the producer of this show, and the most important thing to a producer is RATINGS. A double hiring would have been quite a stunt, we would all be talking about it. Think of this like the following: Outcasts on Survivor, a Family Edition of TAR, Charlie O'Connell on the Bachelor, Rob and Ambah on TAR, All Stars on Survivor, etc... All these thing are done to accomplish one thing, to get us talking. And that is exactly what has happened regardless if there was an actual double-hire or not.
Personally, I think Randall was selfish, agreeing with Trumpy to hire Rebecca would have taken no skin off his nose. He just wanted it all for himself, and that one move (whomever did it) was just mean and unnessesary. But in the end, the real winner, as always is Mark Burnett because of all the buzz.

~Intrepid

Trixie (#270)
Totally agree. It’s like have sick person in the house.
I still wonder why she didn’t bring her crutches for final show????

#269---Todd Glass, is that you? And NO, I didn't think he was funny. He sucked.

Now Todd Glass is funnnnnnyyyyy!

I never really got why everyone loved Randal so damned much. He was a really terrible decision maker in most tasks.

Trump couldn't hire two apprentices outright. The contract for the show only allows for ONE apprentice to be hired. He didn't have a choice.

Let Randal know Dubya might be looking for a Secretary of Defense soon, he'd fit right in!

"something that caused Donald to said, "I loved it. I LOVED IT!" He's a licensed joyologist, FYI"

love the Helen Madden reference

#280

"Did anyone catch the part where Markus is talking on the line backstage and everyone is ignoring him"

YES! I was laughing my ass off. How come this wasn't in the recap? It was perfect.

The video of this should have been on this post, it was classic Markus acting like a massive tool.

"Trump couldn't hire two apprentices outright. The contract for the show only allows for ONE apprentice to be hired. He didn't have a choice"

Jasper -- he did have a choice. The show also calls for one elimination a week -- not four at once. Trump is in charge and he could have hired whomever he wanted. He said he had intended on also hiring Rebecca and didn't because he had to respect Randal's decision. If Randal had said "yes" like Trump had thought he would, do you honestly think Trump would have said, "nah . . . Rebecca you're fired"? I don't think so.

This show is called the "Aprentice" - That's singular, people!!! Why should Randall be put in a spot?? Why didn't the Donald do the same with Kwame in Season 1? I'm surprised to see the "Jerk" word being thrown around. How many people in that same position would say Yes? Not one I can guarantee you, but it is so easy to throw stones from a distance. Randall won, fair and square; there is no need for a co-winner (or else, why waste 2 hrs of tv time?) Let the Black man have his due. He deserves every bit of it and if it makes him a jerk in the eyes of some...who cares. I say wear the label with pride, 'cos black people have to claw and fight their way thru life; nothing is handed down to them from well-off grandpa's.

BOONDOCKSAINT

YES, Im glad you show that it was hysterical!

Does anyone else find Rebecca's weird smiley face she always has on annoying?

shannon

NO !

Why do you find it annoying?

i like randall and i definately think his decision was the best for his situation.The only thing that i dont like is when i read his q&a on the apprentice website and found this response by randall:

7. What's your definition of success?
Success is measured by how many people you have helped to become successful.

That's a little odd.

#295, Rebecca's weird smiley face is so last week's recap ;-)

#293, "Why didn't the Donald do the same with Kwame in Season 1?"

As many have said, ratings were good, show was still fresh. Season 4, ratings have dropped off considerably, and things were getting a bit stale. This is a fact. Whether or not it influenced the show is up for debate, but given the fact that viewers were promised a don't miss surprise ending for weeks, and it's not uncommon for shows to introduce twists when things get old, it seems likely that it did.

"How many people in that same position would say Yes? Not one I can guarantee you."

Guarantee? This is 100% pure speculation. And not very likely at that. Does nothing to make a persuasive argument.

What a bunch of crybaby Libs!

How many different ways can we say it? Randal sucks, chupe, sucer, Saugen Sie, succhiare, Ñ?оÑ?ать.

#272 - She brought in no money because the stupid Yahoo execs all but threatened her not to. She was explicitly told NOT to ask for donations at the big shindig of a party for Yahoo. Yahoo was the client...not the Elizabeth Glaser foundation. You cater to your client. Period! Business Basics 101.

The only reason Yahoo donated the $100,000 was because even THEY realized what losers that Wenda freak was when she insisted that no solicitations occur.

So in answer to your question, "Why would anyone, not to mention Trump, want to hire someone who didn't raise money for their charity when that was the task?" The answer is, THAT WASN'T THE TASK. Yahoo stated over and over again DON'T ASK FOR MONEY!!!!

Now having said that. Randal 100% deserved to win the edition of The Apprentice. I do not want to take away from his win. It is 100% his for the basking. But the way he handled himself during the final two minutes of the show, showed his true character and it wasn't very pretty.

Bottom line: Randal had the chance to receive the admiration of all of America by saying "yes". But because he lacked humbleness, he is now hated / despised more than he is liked by those in America [execpt for Black America].

People would of been happy for Rebecca but would of forgot about her real quick and would of been talking instead about the fine gesture that Randal did by saying "yes". But Randal "F**Ked up" BIG time.

#282- way too heavy for this crowd. I cant remember the last time i read a book. oh, wait, does reading tvgasm count?

#301 - RealityTV4me

"So in answer to your question, "Why would anyone, not to mention Trump, want to hire someone who didn't raise money for their charity when that was the task?" The answer is, THAT WASN'T THE TASK. Yahoo stated over and over again DON'T ASK FOR MONEY!!!!"

Exactly what was the task? If it was to throw a pretty party with lots of purple colors then Becky did a great job! Hire her for that. If her task was to put on subpar comedians whose best act is to bash an old man. Great JOB! Hire her for that. If her task was to massage some Yahoo! executive ego? Great Job! Hire her for that.

But if Becky doesn't have the balls to tell the Yahoo! execs that their sponsorship is to raise money for the AIDS Pediatrics Foundation and "I am definitely going to solocit donations for them" then she doesn't need to be anyone's apprentice! Because she has no backbone she would be eaten alive in NY, or Chicago, or San Fran, etc..etc. Stick to Minnesotta, Becky.

As for Randall's behavior at the end of the show? I think he gave as good as he got from Donald Trump.

If Donald asked me that question I would have just kicked the bitch off the stage. Hate on that!

Vee- I've read that book too and I think that's a great point. Not really starting much of an interesting debate by saying that, but I'm intruiged by the parallel you draw.

#301 - RealityTV4me

I completely agree, 100% with your spot on analysis.

#304

You are right in your assumption that in order to raise money, she should have strong armed Yahoo into doing it...but of course we say that now after the fact. Yahoo was her client, so she had to cater to her client's wishes.

Think of it like this...had she gone ahead and did the obvious thing to raise money and GO AGAINST Yahoo's directions by soliciting money, she would have probably been scolded for that had she raised money or not. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. That's like a customer paying you to do something, giving you EXPLICIT instructions how to accomplish it, why doing it that way is so important and you saying to hell with your instructions, I am going to do it my own way bc I think it will work better that way. The Yahoo execs were idiots, yes, but if they said not to solicit ppl bc it may offend the ppl that are there, are you telling me you'd risk offending their clients in favor of doing what you think is best? Don't think of this as money for a charity...the bottom line is, you follow your order for your customer to a letter, and Yahoo was her customer.

Rebecca hit this point home in her interview during the final task, saying, "Whatever Yahoo wants, Yahoo gets".

I just read the TV Guide interview...sorry, I still think he's a dick. Had he done the magnanimous thing, he would be remebered well...now, most will think that he's just a well educated asshole.

I think we fine, upstanding 'Gasmites have done a thoughtful and thorough job of discussing this subject. Please post the footage of Markus backstage so we can ream him now.

You can call the post "What A Dick Part 2," or "What Another Dick," or "What A Different And More Laughable Variety of Dick."

(For the record, I don't think Randal's any kind of dick. Markus, on the other hand ... )

Randall received an award in 2002 from an organization I'm a member of. Congrats Randal!

From MOBE (Marketing Opportunities In Business & Entertainment)

Congratulations to Dr. Randal Pinkett the newest winner and first Black winner of The Apprentice. Randal is a newlywed, and consistently represented the positive image of a man in relationship to his family (which is in alignment with the Real Men Cook Crusade). Dr. Pinkett is also founder, president and CEO of BCT Partners, a multi-million dollar management, technology and policy consulting firm based in Newark, NJ.
In addition to being a Rhodes Scholar, graduating with M.S., MBA, and
Ph.D. from MIT, Dr. Randal Pinkett was also awarded the 2002 MOBE Influencer and Innovator in Technology Award.

You're right B-side - Randal totally looks like Squidward! Very funny observation!
Anyway, yeah, Trump did put it on Randal, but it seemed to me like he was surprised with Randal's reaction. I think he was giving him the chance to be the proverbial "hero" - and like most people on here, I agree - he just ended up looking like a dick.

#306 - boondocksaint

There are situations that calls for getting my way no matter what the client thinks or wants. You DO NOT take a "no" for an answer and you don't give in as Becky did without reaching a compromise that benefits your objectives. If Yahoo walks from the deal that's on them. But never...ever take the fall for someone elses mistake. Which is what Becky did. And why I think Donald offering her a part of the Apprentice title was poor judgment on him. Not Randal.

http://betboards.bet.com/forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=15965#15965

America's Next Top Fan,

Your analysis, of course makes sense, but in the business world, your "DO NOT take a "no" for an answer" attitude, especially if you are the point of contact will probably cost you the majority of your clients. Clients, whether they are right or wrong in how they want things is immaterial...whatever the client wants, the client gets. She had no idea NOONE would send in money who attended the event and also, for all she knew, the repurcussions from going against Yahoo could have meant the difference between getting fired and getting hired (though we know Randal was the most qualified, put yourself in her shoes at the moment of truth). I have worked in sales and project management for years, and I have dealt with many clients who demand a product a specific way through a specific means. If you say no, this way is much better, well that can mean the difference between your company landing the contract and another company that is willing to do it exactly the way they want.

From the edit we saw on TV, I agree she should have tried a little harder to drive her point home (for all we know from the edit, she may very well have argued about it extensively), but in the end, Yahoo dicked her over (and moreso, the AIDS foundation) big time. And do you believe that if she had raised one dollar more than Randal had by going against Yahoo and Soliciting ppl, that she would not get reprimanded by Yahoo and/or Trump for disobeying?

I understand what you and many others are saying, but of course this is after the fact, after we know she failed miserably...it's a little different if you put yourself in her shoes, in that situation, staring both "Damned if you do" and "Damned if you don't" options in the face.

All in all, Randal deserved to win this thing, so I guess that's all that really matters.

#310 RealityTV4Me - Amen!

#267 Phenom - I never said I completely hated Randal, I don't generally hate anyone - though you are giving me cause to reconsider that policy ;)

Also, Yahoo was one of the token sponsors for this task...I bet she probably talked a lot in the boardroom about their incompetence that we couldn't see. With so much at stake, I highly doubt she just took the fall for Yahoo's blunder...those boardrooms often last 1-2 hours and they are heavily edited. What we did get was Trump's passive aggressive statement "...if I were Yahoo I'd donate X amt of dollars" or whatever.

boondocksaint

#306 "You are right in your assumption..."

#313 - "Your analysis, of course makes sense..."

Boondock, it amazes me that you always agree with both sides of the issue. Then turn around and offer contridictory arguments.

As for your main argument in #313 "but in the business world, your "DO NOT take a "no" for an answer" attitude, especially if you are the point of contact will probably cost you the majority of your clients."

I by no means am a Donald Trump type nor am I flooded with money. But I do run my own Software Integration business and I have had clients who have taken a stand and would not budge. Guess what would have happened to my business if I did not reach a compromise but instead fell in line with their requests? I would be out of business.

You'd be surprised, but most companies I deal with are happy to bend. And I learned about 6 years ago that if you don't ask you won't succeed. So I started asking (or more like demanding, in a gentle way) for what was needed and most companies say "yes" to my demands or are willing to meet me half way.

Those companies who weren't flexible I could not do business with because I couldn't afford it. Those are just decisions you have to make and Rebecca made none of them.

PS. It's hard out there for a pimp!!! Yeah. I had to add some silly BS. I'm getting too serious.

Randall WON and Rebecca lost. Donald asked Randall a question, and Randall gave him the answer. Game Over!!!! Get Over It!!!!!!!!

Randall is the one and only Apprentice!!!!

If Donald wanted to hire Rebecca, guess what? HE WOULD HAVE, regardless of what Randall said. Don't you all think so????

Fellah, this is my handle. I don't have to explain it to YOU. You don't like it? Tough darts.

Vee, "Proscribe" doesn't make sense in your post above.

During the 13 or so earlier episodes, I saw nothing that Randal did that indicated he was any better than Rebecca other than the other contestants seemed to think he was better than anyone else. Indeed, Rebecca did a couple of things better than Randal towards the end.

This show spends too much time with people bitching about their teammates/competitors & not enough with what people are doing to help their team.

Randal was not nearly as competent in the final task. You can gild the lily as much as you want but he was pretty dismal. His shortcomings have been listed several times so there's no need to go through them again. I think Trump screwed up by not hiring Rebecca. He seems to value the opinions of the teammates/competitors which basically makes the show a popularity contest. At the end of the 2 hour finale, George was about to make a point but Trump cut him off to show some "greatest hit" from earlier in the season. What exactly are George & Caroline supposed to be doing anyway?

Those who have the stomach for it should check out the BET link JG posted.

http://betboards.bet.com/forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=15965#15965

Woooow ..... to them this was the great war against whitey and in their eyes guess who won?

B-side - you must be so proud! 320 posts and counting. I've never seen a tvgasm recap generate so much discussion!

#257 Jack - excellent point. People are taking this too seriously in crucifying Randal - if people are going to criticize him for being selfish they need to rember that Trump is the most selfish, tackiest of all. That's what this show is all about! The tough fight to the top in the mean business world.

If Randal had said hire Rebecca he would have looked like a wuss...this way he made a stand as a strong business person.

Also, we're all talking about it...anyone remember the names of the last two "apprenti?" I watch this show every season and can't rember their names...

I don't particularly care what color Randal is, he contradicted himself several times with the "little sister" and statements about helping others.

We make things racist when we want them to be.

Sincerely,
Pink Toes (a term that has been used on this site many times by AAs)

#314: TinkerbellAPixie the world would be boring if everybody liked me :)

Trump asked a bullshit, rhetorical question, and unfortunately got an honest answer.

If we're going to talk about who "really" deserves a job (any job), let's acknowledge that bullshit and ass-kissing are very much a part of the process. Everyone puts on a false face, a better suit, a better hairdo, a more cooperative, cheerful front -- that's just being an adult, a professional, and a player. No one's hired purely on their qualifications (ask anyone in advertising) -- prettier people are seen as more intelligent, and unfortunately, the standard of beauty is still the slender white man or woman with the shiny hair. I know this because I'm a slender white woman with shiny hair.

What's missing in all the carping about affirmative action, is that hiring a white man is also a racial preference -- it's the assumption that every job BELONGS somehow to a white man (ANY white man) and that hiring anyone else must somehow be a gift or a gimmick. Black people and women are sometimes given preference, but not anywhere near as many times as the idiot sons of the rich.

If we're going to eliminate preferential admissions or hiring, let's include "legacy" admissions for donors and children of alumni. I'm sure Donald Trump Jr. won't even have to show up for class or know how to spell or speak English to get his degree -- much like our President.

holyterror

You are so full of sh*%t! If you were really a "white woman" I would bitch slap you here and now!

"holyterror" sounds like someone who hasn't done too well & looks for reasons to blame otehr people & other things because God forbid she should look inward.

I think even our President speaks better than Randal does.

Goooooooooooooooooo Sue!

You da women !

It was pretty clear that Yahoo's objective was to throw a fancy party for their "VIPs", not to raise money for a charity. So from that perspective they got exactly what they wanted. Yahoo didn't complain that no money was raised, they were happy with their little product placement ploy until Trump made an issue out of it. The only people who should be embarassed is Yahoo.

LOL.............
I meant.... "woman"

For those of you who have the movie Halloween 4, does the AIDS foundation lady NOT LOOK EXACTLY like the female paramedic examining Michael Myers in the first 5 min of the movie?

I checked IMDB, but found no record of the actress who played her.

"And what's up with all the Rebecca hate from the other castmembers? Maybe I missed it but has she done anything wrong to any of them? " -
"In season #1 when Bill Rancic won, did Trump later also hire contestant Amy (I think she was 3rd runner up)? I think he hired her later, not as an Apprentice."
yes, I just wanted to know (see quote #1) what jumped up alla's ass and died? I mean, what is her problem?! All the women seemed to hate Rebecca even though she clearly was the strongest link on their team. That's what women do, I must say. I find that I don't work well with most women because they get too caught up in petty things and can't concentrate. Toral and Rebecca (even though Toral did a crap job) seemed to be the only women on that team above that. GO REBECCA! WOOT! As for the second quote, yes Donald Trump did call one of the candidates a few days later and offer them a job..I believe it was Amy, but I'm not 100% positive...grrr...Randal made me so mad..he definitely was getting very full of himself by the finale show...and he kept talking about records and that kind of thing..I mean, sure he beat Rebecca, but look at what she had for a team!! A bunch of imcompetent, sniping bitches that didn't listen to direction but were ready to point the blame at whoever was the easiest target. The shame of it all...I sort of understand why Randal said no, since Donald Trump said "Do you think I should hire her too?" but I didn't really interpret that as "Should you share your title as Apprentice?" although Randal clearly did. I simply thought that he was saying "Okay you won, but should Rebecca join our team also?". There was obviously some miscommunication somewhere along the line. I think Rebecca will be offered a job anyway, or at least from a company other than Trump, because that show (if you prove to be a good, hard worker and leader) could do wonders for your career. Randal's a butthead, cheers for Rebecca!!

America's Next Top Fan,

I too run a business as well. What I was premising, and perhaps I did not do this well enough, was the urgency of the situation. If you were given a total of 5 to 10 minutes or less of time to come to that decision, you wouldn't be able to think rationally, like you do in normal business negotiations. With that said, I think Rebecca kept her cool, and admist all the other proceedings, and the last thing she expected was the Yahoo ppl saying she could not solicit money, she did a great job of handling the situation AND appeasing her clients. And trust me, on the other end of the spectrum, I've met many clients from my business and also working as a an employee of other companies, that are so finicky of the slightest wrong thing said that they will be history if you don't be a 'yes' man...it's awful but some clients are very sensitive, even the most devoted clients, and you have to watch your step with creative input. Not saying you CANT have creative input, but on the pressure clock, in Rebecca's situation, I doubt that was something she wanted to risk. Granted AFTER the fact, we can all rest on our couches and say she should have done this, or that...but in her place, I can't says I wouldn't have done what she did given the time constraints. I think everyone can agree that is a fair assumption on anyone's part.

And in regards to me 'agreeing' with stuff before I contradict things? Um no, are you stupid? I am showing you that I understand both sides of the argument, and how under the perfect circumstances I am agreeing with the 'common sense' side, but showing you that under the IMPERFECT circumstances my side of the argument, which perfectly echoes the chaos of the final task.

Once and for frickin' all...the clients were the CHARITIES. Trump made it clear that the object was to make $. He offered up Yahoo and Outback as SPONSORS.

Rebecca had a very, very, easy tack to take once Yahoo became all asshat - bring them in the room with the Glasers under any pretense. Once there, discuss the various wonderful and generous plans Yahoo had offered to provide in raising cash for the foundation. If I have to spell it out for you.... Rebecca needed to outline Rebecca's fundraising plans and give credit to Yahoo.

Yahoo looks good, and no way in hell do they say or do anything to anyone as to how "unethical" Rebecca was. Can you imagine the tape airing of Yahoo bitching to Trump because his prospect actually insisted that a charity be given more consideration?

I have read countless crticisms of Randal's inability to see "the big picture." How could Rebecca have not seen the sweet spot she was in to force Yahoo's hand? If she couldn't recognize an advantage this yooge, how could she be trusted to negotiate anything for the Trump organization?

Regarding why the fired candidates didn't like rebecca....

if you look at their ages, rebecca was the second youngest of this season's cast (adam is the youngest). Everyone else would automatically think she is not qualified, or lacks experience. -->plus they probably take it personally that someone as young as she was beat them. randal was obviously one of the older candidates...so that's why everyone was for a randal win (they feel that he's perservered, even though both randal and rebecca have perservered)

Regarding the teams, the men have worked and won with randal and would therefore probably hire him. the women (the blonds in particular) had a lot of animosity towards rebecca since the toral incident...and since they've lost so many tasks (even though it was their OWN faults), they look for the scapegoat for their team (ie markus), and since she was on crutches, it's easy for them to SAY that she contributed the least and gang up on her (remember--these are cutthroat women in the business world, ie alla)....so i think she's had to overcome a lot just with her team (that's probably why she only chose toral for the final task-only one that RESPECTED her)

Regarding previous seasons, both finalists were liked (maybe not so much jen, but overall, no one had any hard feelings)...but the finale was terrible since they only interviewed like 4 of 14 people.

..and yes i liked randal up until the last task (well, i was rooting for rebecca in last task)..so i was stunned when randal declined to hire rebecca. As rebecca said in an interview, randal was gracious and caring throughout the interview process, and the decision (the most important decision) undermined all the respect people had given him. Throughout the finale, randal clearly looked desperate, while rebecca remained professional even toward the end.

So...even though i have nothing against randal, i think what he did was an act of poor class, and will be remembered (by most people) as the hero/superstar turned villian (literally at the last minute) who if he would have said yes to hiring rebecca, he would still be number 1 in the audience's hearts because of his niceness throughout the show. but he managed to contradict his own integrity (in the audience's mind) in the final minute. (besides, trump said he was surprised at the move, but had no time to plead rebecca's case, so hence "left it as it is")

All in all...rebecca gets the "last laugh" because she will undoubtedly receive (actually, HAS received) numerous offers and based on her interview on thefishbowl, she said that she sees this unfortunate event to potentially being the best thing that's happened to her, because now, she gets to choose which jobs to take, with most companies offering her more money than randal's position.

Regarding rebecca's fundraising task....

she said that a couple thousand dollars came back in the donation envelopes (see fishbowl interview)...she goes on to say that the fundraising is about establishing a long-term relationship (like what yahoo did / realized at the finale--being able to donate on a long-term scale).

I think trump knows that rebecca didn't screw up that much since she did what the yahoo executives asked. (and yahoo knows it was their mistake, hence the finale donation)....

http://www.randalfans.com/blog/post/index/1/Welcome-To-RandalFanscom#cmt

Exarius..............

G R E A T post !
You made a lot of good insightful comments. I agree with you 100%!

#325 - holyterror

Well said. I didn't want to go there with the Alumni thing. Glad you did. I won't even go into the white girlfriend I had who dumped me because OJ got off. But I degress. Yes that is a whole story unto itself.

#333 - boondocksaint

Point taken. I was thinking, when Yahoo said no to contributions that Rebecca should have went to George or Carolyn and expressed her concerns. She shouldn't have just took no and did nothing. I would have even invited children of the AIDS foundation to sit in on the meetings with the Yahoo execs and guilted them into allowing contributions. It just seems she gave in too easily. Just not a sensible thing to do for any business person used to dealing with the daily stress of business. Even with a TV camera in your face.

#355 - Exarius

Yeah, Becky got a lot of job offers because Randy said don't hire her. But, if her ability to operate on the last task is any indication of her skills, I don't think she will be employed long at the company that hires her. She'll do fine if she's an event planner though.

I think you could see it in the confusion from the boardroom.

George: "Who was running this event, you or 'Yahoo!'"

It's clear the event was for the charity and was sponsored by a corporation. Rebecker completley missed the point, treating this as if she were working for the corporation on a marketing project.

Tom Brady, you and the New England Patriots have just won the Superbowl. Great job! Now, before I present you witht the Lombardi Trophy, do you think we should give one to the Eagles too? They really had a great season.

IT'S NOT ABOUT SHARING THE STUPID TITLE OF APPRENTICE, PEOPLE (yeah, I'm looking at you josh!).

DT asked Randal if he thought Trump should also HIRE Rebecca. He didn't ask if she should share the title of Apprentice.

Numerous interviews with Randal after the show have shown that he was very much aware that the possibility existed for both to be hired. When you have the luxury of knowing a situation in advance and preparing a coherent response, and you STILL screw up your answer and come off like an ass, then you deserve the criticism that you get.

LOL........
"America's Next Top Fan "

As in all your previous posts, you still come across as the real "jackass" that you are.
Your "bro" Randal will disappoint you in the end. He has a HUGE character flaw and it will come out again and that will be the cause of his down fall.
As for Rebecca, she will do very well and you will weep because the person you thought was all that turn out to be a disappointment.

Off topic, but where is Kendra these days? Did she even make it with the Trump Organization??

Sue (#326): That's an intelligent response. I AM a white woman, so how exactly am I "full of shit." I merely related my thoughts, based on my experience.

I'm dying to hear your answer, since you're obviously such an intelligent and thoughtful individual.

By the way, I guarantee you that if you "bitch slapped" me, there would be nothing left of you but a damp spot on the wall.

America's Next Top Fan

PS... White girl friend??? Woooow aren't you considered a "sell out" by your people? Or at least by black women?

Believe me "America's Next Top Fan"... she did not dump you because OJ got off.. She dumped you because she saw the "OJ" in you. I have never met you, but from your posted comments you "reek" of "The Juice"!

Amy:
I was wondering about that, too. We see plenty of Bill, a little of Kelly, and none of Kendra.

You people never cease to amaze me. Even when a black man has SUPERIOR credentials, you can still find something to complain about. Oh, he seemed like such a "nice man" until he didn't share his prize with the pretty little white girl. Screw Rebecca! He was 3-0 was PM, Rebecca's ONLY PM win was with a team of 2 her and Randal. He promised her the win and helped her get it in spite of the fact that previously the sleazy heifer threw him under a bus in the boardroom. They had agreed to go after Clay and what did Miss Sweet and Innocent do, she tried to get Randal fired instead? Then in the finale she said Randal doesn't pay attention to details. This coming from a person that raised $0 at a fundraiser! Talking about attention to details! He's more educated and a 12-2 favorite with the other contestants, you know the people that actually worked with and knew them both well! People say "but they were friends", they weren't friends you idiots, they were polite competitors! Randal left his "friends" at home. People can't get over the fact that this pretty white girl (however incompetent) got her hat handed to her by the brother. Get over it people, Randal was the clear winner. She isn't fit to shine Randal's shoes.

N90ATC (#327): Actually, I'm a curator at one of the museums in New York, and if you'd understood my post at all, you'd realize that I've done quite well for myself, and am acutely aware of how difficult things can be for qualified people who don't have the benefit of my education and background. I have nothing to "blame" anyone for, because I've gotten into every school to which I've applied, gotten my degrees, and now have the job I've always wanted.

People can be sympathetic or empathetic towards others -- they don't always speak merely in their own interests, and having been in the Ivy Leagues myself, I'm very sympathetic towards anyone of color trying to make it there and be taken seriously.

I'm all for blind admissions if we make them blind across the board -- and that includes eliminating legacy admissions. Also, neither you nor "Sue," in your articulate responses, made any reply to my claim that the assumption that a position somehow belongs to a white person consitutes a racial preference as much as affirmative action does.

And I'd love to see Bush take a standard English test.

#344 - Qman

You are insignificant.

#347 - Qman

Yeah, black, white, men, women. I don't discriminate. But you are still insignificant.

Randal may have been an excellent actor, putting up a friendly front as a tactic to gain the respect of the other candidates in order to knock them down on his way to the top. The man is incredibly smart. I smell tactic. And it worked. Randal was already a successful man, a business leader and corporate speaker. Surely he earned more than $250,000 a year, which is what he'd get as Trump's apprentice. So why do it? Why go through the audition process and participate in the whole experience if you don't want the end result, which is fame. You want your name to be known by millions. Like I said, Randal is a smart man. He now has a platform to better himself and better his business.

To the Ethiopian Princess: NinaHi

Take your hate filled comments to where they belong.

http://betboards.bet.com/forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=15965#15965

This way you will feel at home.

"Shine his shoes" ?????

WOOOOW just think if a white would of said that in defense of Rebecca. You would cried at the top of your lungs RACISM !!!!! Queenie... you are a "f----hypocrite".

Rebecca did not throw Randall under the bus. The target was still Clay, but the topic of Randal's performance came up, and Trump, Carolyn, and George were all extremely disappointed with that error, why shouldn't Rebecca be as well. It pissed off the radio execs a great deal and made her look inept in front of them, even if it wasn't her mistake.

I'd give Randal the win, just barely, and it has nothing to do with his decision not to hire Rebecca at all. A number of us throughout the recaps were saying we weren't that impressed with Randal, or at least, they weren't showing very much of his leadership in action. And that we could see many other factors at play beyond the simple numbers of pm records. His poor performance on the final task, and it was heavily criticized by Carolyn, certainly didn't help.

The whole thing with Rebecca was her defense of Toral. It was a huge risk on her part, especially since the decision to protect your friends is almost a surefire way to get yourself fired. And come on, it was Toral. Instead, she pulled it off where no one else had before, at 23 she effectively silenced Trump's counter-arguments. You could see it on his face after the boardroom, he was visibly taken aback. It's something that can't be learned, and it's a quality that apparently mattered a great deal to Trump. That she was willing to cut Toral the following week, and Toral wasn't bothered at all by it, was another impressive move. Don't underestimate the importance of these intangibles.

Wow! Can we stop referring to Rebecca as the "Pretty little white girl". Damn. I bet a bunch of you would get your panties in a twist if Randal was referred to as the "Average looking black man". Christ.

Check out Dr. Randal Pinkett's own website:
http://www.randalpinkett.com/index.asp

You'll notice that the section asking for people to send him comments is temporarily disabled.

To Bricker: Boo-yah!! Thanks for saying it out loud.

To ANTF: Qman is obviously a tiny, tiny amoeba in the spec of humanity. We got your back.

Post #343-RealityTV4Me,
Exactly! You took the words out of my mouth!

#356: "You'll notice that the section asking for people to send him comments is temporarily disabled."

Yeah, Because I'm sure he's tired of getting "classy" emails from "classy" people who disagree with him...

It's over, let it go.

LOL Intrepid. I think calling Randal "Average looking.." is a bit off base.
More like homely!

Just wanted to add to the comments list to see if we can beat the Laguna record!

:-)

Thanks, RealityTV4Me. I got yours too.

What the hell happened on Laguna that caused a bigger post count than this? (note: I've never watched Laguna)

Sex?

I firmly believe that most of the responses have been racial. Let's keep it real, he's never asked any previous winner would they hire their competition. I don't understand how anyones perspective of him could go from 10-2 by one comment. When you're on a job interview, would you want to be asked to hire your counterpart? I bet the answer is no. If she was sitting in the hot seat, do you think her answer would have been yes? Let's keep it real people, apparently you guys don't want to:-)

freeaaakin

I find it spectacularly amazing that people don't get it: Randall has done nothing wrong here. Asking him if there should be two hires is like your boss asking you if you should share your paycheck with him/her; he/she clearly has not worked for your paycheck. The show is called "The Apprentice", not "How to Share Spotlights Not Deserved by You Because Someone Is Feeling Sorry For You."

And true to one other poster here: Trump would have NEVER asked any of the white applicants to share. Period. Rebecca is competent and will land on her feet. This is not about consolation prizes people; the world is harsh.

If it were you and you were CLEARLY more educated, more accomplished and CLEARLY the better candidate, and you were asked the question, what would your answer be?

Now factor in that your entire life you were superficially judged on the color of your skin, gender, or some other bias, and despite it it made you excel in every possible way, which is what brought you to this place. Would you still answer the same way? If you say yes, you are a LIAR and you're extremely naive.

Randall deserved this more than anyone on the show. He proved himself time and again. Not wanting Rebeccal as his sidekick or sideshow is HIS choice and you can bitch all you want. It was a question, he gave an answer, and it does NOT change his character. He is still every bit the stand-up guy you've seen over the weeks. I probably have more respect for him after that, because he didn't cow-tow and do something (say 'yes') that was clearly engineered for show.

You will not change a thing in corporate America until you stop the institutionalized racism, sexism and see things as they should be: equitable, fair and free of ignorance, personal emotion or bias.

Milkshake, Laguna Beach is a silly show on MTV about rich kids/humanitarians that live in California. When they are not working for great causes like "Fight The Slide 2005", they can usually be found backstabbing their best friends with malicious lies and gossip. Its more addictive than heroine.
Anyway, the huge deal that caused so many posts was, some guy made out with another girl right in front of his girlfriend. This left a bad taste in the mouths of LB fans nationwide. It seems like most of the posters are educated 30 somethings who allow there brains to turn to mush for 30 minutes each week, and the whole rest of the following day and sometimes into that evening.

#320 "Vee, "Proscribe" doesn't make sense in your post above."

You are actually correct and I often make mistakes when typing or writing. I actually meant to write subscribe, but initially I was going to write promote. You caught me I guess. I'm not sure what point you were making in highlighting that error. Maybe you were attempting to make me look stupid and therefore question the crediblity of the theory or post, who knows. Anywho... The point of the post was that author actually promotes that theory. Sorry if I confused anyone.

V

Ah thanks Jules. See I'm above those cheesy cable reality tv shows. I only watch quality network reality - like "Married by America". I have standards...

#198 "For all the spell checkers, this is a long post and I'm proofing it, so if I typed something wrong, please don't take it as a reflection of my intelligence or my ability to snap back."

That's from my original post btw. The same applies to all of my subsequent posts N90ATC (in case you're checking them all.)

V

David Martin #367
"I find it spectacularly amazing that people don't get it: Randall has done nothing wrong here. Asking him if there should be two hires is like your boss asking you if you should share your paycheck with him/her"

Donald did NOT ask Randal if he should hire Rebecca and then Randal would have to share his paycheck. Randal would still be the Apprentice and would still maintain his $250K paycheck. Rebecca would have had a job on a completely different project making a salary less than his. Randal took that opportunity away from her-very selfish.

Herrrrrrrre we go.... Dean ...ooops, I mean David Martin [#367] chimes in with the same old whine...

"You will not change a thing in corporate America until you stop the institutionalized racism, sexism...blah..blah..blah..blah"

Dave you're wasting band width. Why not bore us with some of your examples of institutionalized racism. Or tell us how Randal all by himself conquered these hidden evil powers of racism even to the point where Trump himself tries to snatch Randal's crown of glory from him.

wow, i cant believe people are still commenting about this. wow, i cant believe i'm still commenting about this. i heard our good friends randy and rebs were on larry king live right after donald rumsfeld so apparently all this apprentice bullsh*t ranks right up there w/ national security.
dude, did anyone check out randal's resume and creds on his website? even though squidward is soooo not photogenic he definitely is way overqualified to be slinging Trump bottled water in atlantic city.
and in true tv personality form, the next step after being a total dick on tv is to follow it up w/ some self-mockery a la randy's skit w/ alla on the radio music awards. can you say damage control? what's next an SNL appearance? notice that rebs is way too classy for all that.

Milkshake, Total shock that "Married by America" never aired again. I'm fairly positive that all those couples are still married.
I am more of a reality junky. You obviously view purely for quality, and I am more of a bottom of the barrel viewer. As long as it has a real person in it, it is the best show I ever saw.

grifter [#374]

She is a very classy and dignified young lady!

Jules - I used to watch EVERY show that came along no matter how stupid. I even watched "The Littlest Groom". The first step was admitting I had a problem.

RealityTV4Me,

I still believe it would have taken away from his victory. The both probably would have appeared on future seasons of the show and both would probably have been treated equally, with a asterix noting that Randal won. Backlash aside, he was asking to share in the glory that he had rightfully won.

With regards to Jennifer M's picture....Can anyone say Blair Warner from The Facts of Life????? That Lisa Welchel, I swear she is everywhere these days! And on a sidenote, I hope Randal breaks his ankle...

There you go again, trying to keep the black man down. Blair Warner would never keep the black man down....she only has enough time for roller-skating, bubble blowing, mushroom hairdo black girls like Tootie. Maybe the discussion in this forum should actually be the racist undertones of "The Facts of Life".

you take the good, you take the bad, you take em both and there you have...

Ya know, my memory is a little fuzzy, but is Randal the guy Natalie lost her virginity to on "The Facts of Life"??? I mean, it was of "very special episode" calibur, to be sure! To think, two lusty, horned-up coeds contemplating doing "the deed" and the one who goes for it is cute little fat Natalie, not flirty dicktease Blair. And some say "The Facts of Life" didn't break down any barriers....tsk tsk.
But, I think Randal is the culprit....he likes to stick it to people every chance he gets.

Give me a break! Randal clearly deserved the Apprenticeship. I was shocked that Trump put him in that position in the first place and I think Randal handled himself very well. If Trump wanted to hire Rebecca too, he should've just did it. He's the boss! Rebecca seems to be intelligent and will probably do well, just not as this year's Apprentice. And that's the way it should be.

Yvette....we were talking about "The Facts of Life", not "Gimme a Break"....DUH!

Mark Burnett and Donald Trump added that "twist" at the end of the finale in an attempt to get higher ratings, and it just so happened that the final two candidates were Randal and Rebecca, of different genders and of different nationality. There would have been public discussions about racism, regardless of which of the two had been chosen.

All this controversy has been a Godsend to Burnett and Trump. They may be thinking, in the years to come, people will remember where they were "when Randal said no, that there can't be two 'Apprentii'."

Right on Casey - this will go down in history (like George Washington)

#385 - I agree with your assessment of the predetermined "twist" but I hardly think that people will be thinking about asshat Randal saying "no" for years to come as if it's the assassination of JFK. But, you're right, Burnett is probably stoked about the water cooler fallout and Randal is the one looking like a dick while Burnett only sees dollar signs.

Holyterror: not only do I totally agree with every word of your post (#325) but I LOVE your response to Sue in #346 (By the way, I guarantee you that if you "bitch slapped" me, there would be nothing left of you but a damp spot on the wall. ).

You make your fellow Aries-es proud. :-)

Thank you, Aries. Glad to oblige. Over and out.

Hmmm (#384) "...we were talking about "The Facts of Life", not "Gimme a Break"....DUH!

Best comeback EVAR!! LOL

i am now commentor #391
in your face #390

Only in tvGasm do we have the full spectrum of race relations of The Facts of Life on up to the undertones of racism in corporate America.
*sniff* it's beautiful, man!
"You know, they say this cat Randal is a bad Mutha F..."
"Shut your mouth"
"But I'm talkin' about Randal!"
"Don't make this song dirty..."

#80 - "but being black puts a whole host of other pressures and expectations on him that white folks can't relate to. he knows that, no matter how good he is, there are certain people who are going to view him as a token." I agree completely. However, I feel you may be slightly off target. The only people I see viewing Randal as a token - are us fellow African-Americans. Seems that no one else has attempted to project any racial indignities onto this decision, other than us.

Randall wrote on his own website: I firmly believe that "to whom much is given much is expected." This are his own words. Too bad that he didn't live by his own rules.

If he would of say "yes"... he would of had so much more glory; because people all over the country would of been talking about his humble character and what a unique and outstanding person he was.

But because he revealed his true character during that moment of exaltation [when he was declare the winner], the majority of the people now have an unfavorably opinion of him.

So in the end, Randal's lust for glory did him in. Where as he could of had so much more.

Sad.... very sad!

#393 - "I agree completely. However, I feel you may be slightly off target. The only people I see viewing Randal as a token - are us fellow African-Americans. Seems that no one else has attempted to project any racial indignities onto this decision, other than us."

Please see posts 51, 148 and 188. Those are just the ones that jump out. Folks have been posting comments like that since the series began.

Rebecca - Sit down, stop crying and complaining. You lost. Go Randall!

Maybe Trump could have offered it to Rebecca first and asked her opinion of Randal. We don't know whether Randal was supposed to be THE Apprentice. We don't really know that he was #1 and Rebecca was #2.

One more

Just wanted to be

#400

[PS Randal is a dick]

There it is - #400!

Randal is a huge dick

Apprentice Winner Randal Pokes Fun Of His Decision On Radio Music Awards

Article:

Between awards and performances, the 2005 Radio Music Awards includes a couple comedy skits involving reality TV stars. The funniest skit involves recent Apprentice Winner Randal Pinkett. In the skit, Randal pokes fun at the controversy surrounding his answer when Donald Trump asked him if he should hire Rebecca also.

The skit involves Santa Claus (played by George Wendt) conducting a boardroom type conversation with Apprentice candidates Randal and Alla. Randal talks about his experience running five businesses and his impressive academic credentials, while Alla points out that she started out as a stripper. Upon hearing that Alla use to be a stripper, Santa Claus immediately tells Randal that it’s not going to work out and hires Alla. As Alla goes and sits on Santa’s lap, Randal asks Santa, “How about hiring us both?� Santa replies, “Randal pal, this is not the elves, this is the elf.�

Randal and Alla aren’t the only reality TV stars in comedy skits on the Radio Music Awards. Survivor Winner Danni Boatwright also appears in a similar skit involving Santa Claus. In the skit, Danni thanks Santa for all the wonderful presents over the years. Santa Claus then starts talking about a new Corvette, and as Danni says she’s just a simple girl that doesn’t need that, Santa explains that he’s talking about himself and that he’ll take it in red.

OMG...i can't believe some people....LOL

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402, "The funniest skit"???? George Wendt????For real???? Sounds positively excruciating to me. Anyone see it?

Christ on a bike, that sh*ts so old, it's hard to believe they're still doing it (although Kanye on SNL was pretty amusing).

Exarius

Thanks for those links.

She Lost, So Get Over It, Her Last Task Was A Flop, Yahoo! Gave Up The Money Themselfs, If You Change The Show Now, Will The Show Have Three Winners Next Year.

Wow. What a sh**storm.

I have to say, my husband and I were rooting for Randal all the way. I thought he was a much better qualified candidate than Rebecca, although I liked her too, very much so.

Either could have won and I wouldn't have gotten upset, although Randal was a favorite of ours.

But when Randal didn't agree with Trump about hiring her to work for Trump's huge organization, I was floored. My husband and I both lost respect for him on the spot.

Just as we didn't like it when Randal and Rebecca's team grabbed those bullhorns that were on hold for the other team. Even though Trump seemed to think it was good business competition. I simply don't agree.

I didn't think it was fair. Just my opinion.

Same way I didn't like it when Cindy (was it Cindy?) on Survivor didn't give those four vehicles to the remaining players.

I didn't think that was very giving of her. I know she didn't have a car, but I still think it was selfish. To give four people four brand new cars? DA-YAM! The resultant karma would be magnificent!

But that's just my personal point of view. I know not everyone agrees and that's fine.

Are any of these people bad/horrible/assholes for making their decisions? No. They clearly did what they thought was best at the time.

Dunno, maybe standing on that spot I would make a different choice than I think I would, but I hope I would have the guts to stand by my beliefs.

Also, it didn't occur to me once that this was a racist or sexist issue. Not one time. I'm white but I didn't recognize Randal as a black man or Rebecca as a white woman after I got to know them.

They simply became Rebecca and Randal to me and that's that.

Until now. Now my jaw is dropping at all the hateful racial comments on here and elsewhere. Just so...sad. :-(

VEE, don't get all paranoid. I wasn't playing "Gotcha!" I just wasn't sure what you were trying to say in that earlier post.

I saw the Trump/Scummy/Becky appearance on LKL. Trump was incensed when Larry King brought up the idea that it was racist to ask Randal if he should also hire Becky. He said it couldn't be racist if you consider that he hired Randal in the first palce. While I don't get his logic, that's Trump for you.

Randal was as ineloquent as ever on LKL. I think Trump booted it when he hired the guy but the resultant publicity probably rectifies all that. Becky was as charming as ever & said that even if she were offered a Trumpian postion at this point, she wouldn't commit to it right away.

I must say that although I think Randal lost the final task & shouldn't have been hired, I don't know if it was so wrong of him to decline Trump's offer to also hire Becky. I just think he declined in such an ignoble way as to make himself appear to be the turd of the still-early century. I mean, he went from thundering applause to loud booing in the space of two minutes. How often does that happen? LOL

wow, i can't believe how strongly people still feel about this. yes i was shocked along with everyone else... for five minutes. the guy deserved the win, and he has said he'd welcome rebecca into the trump organization as well... just not that night! how can you lose respect for a person over one split-second decision he happened to make on live tv? like none of you have ever made mistakes in your life. a whole lot of judging going on, some nasty remarks. rebecca was a very nice person with a great heart, but would have needed a lot of training IMHO.

BTW Those links to BET.com are priceless. I'm not sure racism is just a white man's problem anymore, if it ever was. What a sad commentary on the thought processes of some people.

Amber & N90ATC

Good posts! I agree with you both.

N90ATC --- those BET links are a "Hoot" aren't they? Hateful too! Amazing how some people can have free speech while others have lets say "limited" free speech.

Indeed, Kismo!

BTW Will tonight's Apprentice: Martha finale get even 1/10th the number of responses. I've watched the entire series & at the moment I can't decide which poor candidate deserves the dubious honor of working at "Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia." I'd rather work for Randal!

N90ATC

When did the Larry King episode air with Trump / Rebecca/ and what's his name?

Wooow you watched the entire season of Martha Stewart? Your more of a man than I'll ever be. [Mmmm I sound like Toral on the final! :-)]

The Apprentice is a friggin TV show...it's a game...you get to look like an ass on TV and if you are 'lucky', you get a joke job. It's strictly for entertainment and publicity, as far as Trump and Burnett are concerned. The ratings are down, and, like Survivor, etc. they have to throw in a stupid twist now and again. I can just imagine Trump and Marky B. in some office in Trump tower - Eureka! WE'VE got the twist.

I liked them both. Although Randall's constant eager/surprised expression annoyed the crap out of me and if Rebecca's intensely deliberate speech pattern was a bit grating...(and could she SAY 'Mr. Trump' more?) I have to say I was kind of upset with Randall that he didn't say yes to hiring Rebecca. I mean, I can understand why you wouldn't want to to that in REAL reality...BUT THIS IS A TV SHOW and it's a FAKE JOB. It's like, loosen up, see it for what it is, who the hell cares and you'll look like the greatest guy ever if you do it! Apprentice, Apprenti... you will always be a FORMER REALITY TV STAR. Why look like a selfish jerk? If they would've asked Bill Rancic if he'd hire Kwame and he said no I would've felt the same way. Why not be a cool dude...it's only a game.

and p.s. - maybe the twist should've been that they both were fired... i mean, randall can't check the weather for an OUTDOOR event and rebecca can't raise money at a FUNDRAISER. retarded.

Randal is the winner. I agree with Randal.

All the haters here are welcome to visit: http://www.randalfans.com

For all you people who say that Randall is an asshole or a dick for not sharing his prize with the runner-up,I say get the f... over it.Let's face it the girl didn't even deserve to be on the stage with him because if he had been a whiteman with such impeccable credentials the choice would have been a slam dunk and the issue of hiring a co-Apprentice would never have been raised.I wouldn't expect a white person to see or understand why he made the decision that he did just as I wouldn't expect them to acknowledge that racism still exists.Randall was and is still a class act so get the f... over it because he really don't need any of your approval.

Amber #407: I like what you said and how you said it. Thanks for being rational! :)

Wow, this is a lot of comments for a show that isn't Laguna Beach.

Does anyone know what the record is??

The record is 765 comments for one salacious episode of Laguna Beach. Crazy,yes?

http://www.tvgasm.com/archives/laguna_beach/001362.php

Kismo, the Larry King show was Monday night, I think. He ran an ad that says there will be a Larry King marathon on Christmas Day. Talk about coal in one's stocking!

BTW I just finished watching Martha Stewart's Apprentice. A white woman won but Martha didn't ask her about hiring the runner-up. It should be said that said runner-up had the personality of a gnat & the voice of a screech owl. Purportedly, no racism was involved.

Since this is still going on I might as well include someone who has ACTUALLY been through the process into this...Bren from season 3 has a blog on yahoo..I've enjoyed reading it during the season....
http://apprentice.tv.yahoo.com/trump/04/show/bren/article.php?ept_post=34

N90ATC

Thanks for the info... I will look for that Larry King episode Chritmas Day.

Woooow, for you to watch Martha to the very end tells me you must possess those same qualities that a Navy SEAL has.

anthony davis [#416]

Let me take a wild guess here Anthony.. I know it is a loooooooong shot, but from your post I take it you're black. Right? There is nothing more fulfilling in this life than to read hateful posts like yours. In fact I was a little disappointed that you held back as much as you did. Why not pratice posting the contents of your heart at...

www.IHateWhittey.org

There you can learn how to improve on your hateful posts.

**** Merry Christmas AD & a wonderful Kwanzaa to you! ****

BTW: How is your cousin Angela Davis doing these days? Still wearing those BIG hooped ear rings?

Hey all you folks who are hating on Randall.

You are all self righteous asses. You all want Randal to share his win with Becky. If you are all giving do-gooders why don't you donate half your salaries to Katrina victims? Or Pakistan earthquake victims? Or adopt some poor children. No, not those bastard children from China. Adopt some real black & white poor children who needs families right here in AMERICA! You won't do it cause you want all that money to yourself and you can't be bothered to SHARE your success. Self-righteous, hateful beotches! LOL

PS. Aneesa says "suck my dick Bitches!!!"

America's Next Top Fan [#425]

Is that you? The same America's Next Top Fan of post #351? Woooow have you changed! Oooooo my, you are just like Randal, you showed your true self as time goes on. And to think you called me "insignificant' almost 200 posts ago. Well "Juice" from your most recent post shows looks like I was right in post #347.

#407 - Amber

"I'm white but I didn't recognize Randal as a black man or Rebecca as a white woman after I got to know them."

Amber, WTF. I'm sure every black person in America is encouraged that you don't see them as a person until AFTER you get to know them.

#411 - N90ATC & Kismo

"Those BET links are a "Hoot" aren't they? Hateful too! Amazing how some people can have free speech while others have lets say "limited" free speech.

N90ATC & Kismo. A race that has experienced centuries of slavery, and after the Emancipation, systematic racism naturally voices their opinion after observing subtle or outright racism. You'd never know what that is because you haven't experienced it. But when black people see it we have a right and obligation to voice our objection of it.

Why you ask. Because history has a way of repeating itself. And like Jews who want to prevent another Holocaust from happening. We have to repeatedly keep this issue in the eyes of America because obviously people like you either don't know, don't care, or could give a shit if it happens again.

FYI. Slavery is still a problem today.

#426 - Qman

Please, I'm trying to help push this post past the 500 mark. So shut up and let me cause some controversy. PS. You are and will always be...Insignificant.

ANTP (post 425):

Oh yeah cause adopting a child is soooo the same thing as granting permission for someone to be hired for their dream job.

America's Next Top Fan

Ok.... it's all yours! I'm signing off.

Nice to meet you "ANTF".

PS. Have a Merry Christmas my friend!

#427 - It's unfortunate the you are/have been a slave. However, it's wrong on your part to assume that N90ATC & Kismo have never been victims of slavery or are the descendants of slaves. If you proclaim to have the status of current/former slave, maybe they too have been victimized in this manner.

My great great great grandfather was a slave. I'm also a little Cherokee and a little Chippewa and a bunch of other stuff. And I have blond hair. Just because a person is white, doesn't mean they don't give a shit that slavery happened. As for me, I'm just glad grandpa was such an enterprising guy....he escaped with the daughter of one of his captors and they lived happily ever after! So, the moral to the story is...some white people are racist and some aren't. Some black people are racist and some aren't. You are right, history repeats itself. Slavery and genocide, the two atrocities you mentioned, have been happening to every color and race at varying times over the course of human history. No one is immune to it being a part of their own family's history either recent (last century) or distant, not even the people you attacked in your post for their perception of the "hateful" links mentioned.

Brava, Sonia!

Except explaining to black people on this site that they do not hold the monopoly on being slaves is like talking into the wind. It just doesn't go anywhere.

Karen#432 - Are you saying we are dump or incapable of rational thought. Or all we all too stubborn or what? Exactly what are you saying about ALL of us here on this site?

V

Sonia

BINGO !

America's Next Top Fan is becoming more hateful with every posts.

Sonia, now that's what we call posting! Excellent work. I think if most ethnic groups (yes, even the white ones) go back long enough into their history, there will be evidence of discrimination. It sucked but we've moved past it. I'm aware that racism against blacks exists & I deplore its very existence. I just wish ANTF & others would disparage the racism so evident at that BET board. The cycle of racism isn't going to end if paranoia is allowed to rule the roost.

FWIW, it should be noted that I have changed my mind about Randal's non-hiring of Becky. I just wish he had been nicer about it but I guess that's beyond his personality.

B-Side

Are you taking all this [#435 posts] in?

What do you make of all this?

Wasn't attempting to start a slavery debate, my bad.

We can talk about "The Facts of Life" again. I'll start.

Who's the hottest FOL gal, you can even include the little known cast members from the beginning of the series (anyone remember Molly Ringwald's stint?) and if you're a straight girl, you still have to answer.

For all of you who thought Randall was wrong for not sharing his spotlight I say to you stop being such pricks. When the other white candidates won the Apprentice not one time did Donald offer to them or suggest that the black runner up also be employed. So why should he share his spotlight when they didn't offer to share theirs.

Look out here comes the BET crowd!

Welcome "2nd To None"