Celebrity Apprentice: The Final Two Part One

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   crankyguy
   Posted May 15, 2012 at 1:25 pm

   Aubrey is effin’ unbelievable. It’s not her demonic personality that caused her to be the last chosen, but that Clay and Arsenio are hating haters who hate. I wish Clay had the option of passing on her altogether — that would have been classic.

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   NatPatBen
   Posted May 15, 2012 at 1:35 pm

   When Arsenio’s team was shooting the video, I suggested to my husband that they should make multiple shots passing the ball to different directions, so that whatever they got from Magic could be incorporated. Little did I know that not even that would’ve saved what ended up HILARIOUSLY happening.

   I have a feeling Clay’s team will win because it seemed we heard more actual $ amounts coming out of Arsenio’s team, whereas Clay’s team’s earnings weren’t shared… making me think they’re much higher.

   Debbie’s pushing for the mural so much so that her cousin can get exposure on network tv. I don’t blame her for that, but don’t see why creating a sketch is so difficult. If the cousin knows what she will draw, just doodle it down in a few minutes & fax it over!

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   crankyguy
   Posted May 15, 2012 at 1:54 pm

   Because I am used to editors jerking viewers around and because nobody is stupid enough to shoot the video of Magic Johnson in profile without also having frontal takes, I predict a usable version will show up next week for Arsenio to use in his PSA.

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   Chris
   Posted May 15, 2012 at 2:16 pm

   Love the recap! To be clear, however, Let’s ALL Play has been the National Inclusion Project summer camp THEME for YEARS. Penn did NOT create it. Meanwhile: Clay for the win Sunday!

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   Vickie
   Posted May 15, 2012 at 2:35 pm

   Clay said that he wanted Aubrey, but he saved her for last because he knew he could. He knew there was no way that Arsenio was going to pick her, so he didn’t need to worry about it.

   And, how could you not talk about how amazing Clay was with the kids??? As Dee said, it wasn’t 2 minutes before Clay was in full-on teacher mode, and I loved it!

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   DaisyHurts
   Posted May 15, 2012 at 2:43 pm

   Cranky is right–there will be other takes, one from the front.

   My favorite part of the episode is when Clay tells them all about his charity and about the games that the kids play at these camps, subtly leading Aubrey into getting the idea he wants her to have, “her” carnival theme for the party. It’s exactly the way she forced her own ideas into being adopted on previous tasks, like the way she forced her cheerleader idea on the Good Sam executive, only he takes his time and is so subtle about it she doesn’t even notice he’s using her own tactic against her. But he definitely was. And it was fucking awesome.

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   DaisyHurts
   Posted May 15, 2012 at 2:56 pm

   And yeah, “Let’s ALL Play” has been the charity’s theme forever. Penn just repeated it, backing him up during his subtle manipulation of Aubrey, which I think only Penn was sharp enough to pick up on.

   I quite liked Penn in this episode. He tweaked Clay’s PSA idea, improving it quite a bit, and backed him up when he was trying to lead Aubrey into having the idea he wanted. Maybe he just got a really kind edit, but Penn came across as really smart and helpful all episode long.

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   labowner
   Posted May 15, 2012 at 3:37 pm

   @ 3 Cranky, I don’t know if you listen to Adam Carolla’s podcast, but if not, listen to the episodes that have his fellow CA contestants or the one with Mark McGrath. Lots of details what goes on behind the cameras, the manipulation of the producers etc.

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   Sami
   Posted May 15, 2012 at 3:41 pm

   Yes, as others have said, “Let’s All Play” is the theme of the summer camps that the National Inclusion Project sponsers & has been since its inception. But also interesting to note, the annual gala for the NIP was supposed to be in October 2011. When Clay agreed to film CApp in Oct – Nov 2011, his gala was postponed until December. And guess what was a big part of the gala long before CApp was shot? You guessed it – a Carnival with special games for the kids!! So the entire theme of Clay’s finale task was totally based on the NIP’s plans already put into place. In no way, shape or form, can Aubrey this time claim she came up with it. I’m sure Clay told them all of this in unaired footage. However, that has not stopped Aubrey from stating in after-firing interviews that she is completely & solely responsible for Clay’s event whopping Arsenio’s behind. I wonder how Clay, Penn, Dee & Debbie feel about that, since they were all shown working very hard last Sunday.

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    April
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    I know you all hate Aubrey but honestly she deserved it over Arsenio. If we are trying to be real, Arsenio blew his chances with all the hate speech and vulgar words he threw towards a coworker. You have to be better than your tormentors and rise above them not sink to lower then their level.

    I am rooting for Clay.

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    April
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    As a mom of a special needs child, I really hope Clay wins. I love his charity and that he started it himself and how much he loves those kids and how well he works with them. Awesome.

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    crankyguy
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    @ labowner, I went to Adam’s site and the first podcast I saw that had a CA contestant was the one with Penn, and the description listed him up front, so I didn’t have to wait thirty minutes to an hour to hear something about CA. Penn said he knows the rules to chess and Texas holdem, but even with a contract, nobody can figure out the rules to CA other than Trump does what he pleases, so there really can’t be any rational discussion about why somebody got fired.

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    CathodeTube
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    I think it was Seacrest who first taught Clay how to rock the eyeliner.

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    DaisyHurts
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    Donald Trump is as transparent as Aubrey. At a certain point each season, he begins firing contestants not for cause, but because they’re less interesting to watch on television than the other people present. Penn got fired for being boring. Everybody knows that, including Penn, but his ego will never let him admit it.

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    Musicleader
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Clay is NOT wearing eyeliner – not to mention they have professional makeup artists every morning the show films.

    Great review as always Luscious. I will miss you when Celeb Apprentice is over. RE: Aubrey and Debbie feeling they had free reign, I can just say DUH. If they had been in the final two, they would have wanted complete say over every detail like Clay has asked for. He is right and they were off base.

    Hoping for Clay for the win. His heart and soul are 1000% invested in the charity he started for kids who he saw first hand were being left out of fun activities because of disabilities.

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    notwithoutmytv
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    … and he wears eyeliner.

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    crankyguy
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    I listened to another Adam Carolla podcast, this time with Arsenio, and they said that however irritating Aubrey may seem on TV, the viewer is only getting a small taste of her. If that’s true, then there is not any amount of foul language spewed by Arsenio toward Aubrey that would have caused him to sink lower than her. She is insufferable and lower than whale shit.

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    DaisyHurts
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    So she was getting an unfairly FLATTERING edit?
    Oh my God.

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    LooneyLioness
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Hahahahah @DaisyHurts. Right?!

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    cattyfan
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    The Magic Johnson issue is easy to fix. You have his initial greeting to Arsenio facing the camera…then just use his speech as a voice over while showing video of things the charity has accomplished. (I guarantee Arsenio could request stock footage from the foundation.)

    There. Problem solved. You still have the authority of Magic without the screwed up video shots.

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    LooneyLioness
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Did you notice, though, that the voice quality of that Magic Johnson video sounded AWFUL? Maybe it was the editing. I dunno.

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    cattyfan
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Sound quality is pretty easy to correct these days, though.

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    cattyfan
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Every season, though, the finalists have to contend with some kind of problem…usually a mistake that a normal thinking person would not make. Do you think seasoned video people (even if they are not the usual lead person) would believe that shooting Magic FROM THE SIDE was what Arsenio would want? And they wouldn’t confirm such an odd request?

    Producer manipulation to see how the contestants problem solve.

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    Robinez
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    I wanted Aubrey and Clay as the final two after Dionne and LaToya left, seasons ago.

    Arsenio is a mean man. He yells at woman and he calls them nasty names like slut. Clay tells stories about how gals crawl out of their Momma’s vagina and goes right to the pole.

    Aint they Gentlemen?

    I think they both Suck.

    Robin

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    Bobby
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Debbie Gibson is intolerable. This project is about Clay’s charity not about Gibson’s cousin giving up her porn audition to paint the mural. Luscious, your writing is hilarious and concise as usual. I am a big fan. I love the picture of the horse to point out Clay chose this insubordinate group to lead. Next week will it be Clay’s musical theme or Arsenio’s comedy theme?

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    crankyguy
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Well, Lisa was exaggerating a bit when she said every woman in America was gonna hate Arsenio for the things he said to and about Aubrey. Literally hundreds of women is more like it, since she didn’t think about all the women who agree with him.

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    chaosbutterfly
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    @April, I wish you would let that go though. Arsenio is a person and he made a mistake in an emotional moment. He admitted he was wrong, apologized for it, and modified his treatment of Aubrey going forward. He can’t go back in time and it’s not reasonable to ask him to commit seppuku over it, so I don’t understand what you want from him.
    On top of that, if I had to work with someone, I’d much rather work with Arsenio than Aubrey because as long as he is treated pleasantly, he will be pleasant with others. Aubrey treats everyone like shit and never gives an ounce of credit, even when they’re doing their best for her. I really don’t understand how anyone could be on her side or say that she deserves it more than Arsenio. Maybe she has better ideas, but all the ideas in the world are worthless if no one wants to work with her. And no one does, which is why her career is nonexistent right now and she got picked last for teams.

    And maybe there won’t be a magically good take, because Adam did lie/omit the truth to Arsenio concerning his supposedly awesome team. Because apparently, they aren’t video guys, don’t know a damn thing about video, and only help him with his podcasts. Combine that with the fact that the brains of the outfit couldn’t make it to the shoot and it’s quite possible that they really did fuck up the video that badly.

    Debbie Gibson is definitely trying to drum up some business for her cousin by featuring her art on TV and in front of the rich event attendees. But the fact that Clay asked for a sketch early on and the cousin is not able to deliver it doesn’t look good for her. I refuse to believe that it takes a full 24 hours to come up with a concept and give some kind of visual representation of what you want to do, especially if you have a team and have supposedly dropped everything for this project. He’s not asking for instructions to build a working Batmobile, he just wants a diagram of a mural for a carnival-themed party. So somebody somewhere is lying about something. Either Debbie didn’t impress upon her cousin the necessity of the sketch or her cousin sucks and/or is unreliable.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 2:18 am

    Arsenio vented about Aubrey when she wasn’t in the room. He didn’t call her names to her face, he just pointed out to Donald Trump just how selfish she was. It’s not sexist to call a woman a bitch who is acting like one (although, again, he did not say that when she was around.) Remember how she tossed the other team’s materials to the side without passing it to her team to look at? It was dismissive and rude and she acted as if only her opinion mattered. She wasn’t even the PM!

    Arsenio had every right to call her out on it. It didn’t skip my notice that the only times Aubrey cried on the show was when she knew she was wrong. (Called out for being rude to Arsenio and the team, when she was PM and lost, and when John Rich called her transparent.) And while Trump gave her charity a pity check, I think he did it more for the popularity of the cause (bullying against gay teens) than he did for Aubrey’s business acumen.

    It’s not sexist for a man to call a woman out for bad behavior. But it is sexist for a woman to think her behavior is above reproach, just because she is surrounded by men. Furthermore, pointing out a woman’s career of posing nude isn’t the same as calling her a slut. Arsenio was saying that everyone else built their careers as business professionals and all google provided of Aubrey was nude photos. The same point Trump brought up later. “I forgot you were a singer..I remember you from Playboy.”

    Lastly, the most novice of film directors may confuse the ‘camera left/camera right’ jargon, but no one would think filming Magic from the side was okay. Not even Magic himself. I’m calling shenanigans on this one.

    As I said weeks ago, this is Clay’s to lose. But Arsenio will take runner-up in stride and with grace, so they’ll be two winners. Hope this revives his career..he hasn’t lost the magic! (See what I did there?)

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    sarcasatire
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 2:35 am

    Not only does Trump fire contestants who bore him, I believe he fires charities that don’t top the buzzword list. With three (3!) different AIDS charities this season, of course attention is given to the biggest one..or rather, the one helmed by the biggest star: Magic Johnson. And while we all agree that Adam Corolla was fired too soon, in no way was Trump going to award $100,000 to the Catholic Big Brothers when there were AIDS patients, bullied gay teens, and special needs kids being pushed aside.

    Last season, Marlee Matlin championed for deaf children in developing countries. John Rich championed for sick and dying children in this country. Is there any surprise which charity got the most donations?

    And while Magic Johnson’s foundation is for a great cause, Trump has awarded three separate AIDS charities this season alone..Dayana’s, Lisa’s, and Arsenio. More money will be made for the war on AIDS during this task, but I believe Clay’s charity will be brought to the forefront. My mom works as a para-professional (her second career, lol) which brings special needs and delayed students into the regular paced classroom under an inclusion project in NYC. She is assigned one-on-one with a particular student which gives the child more time to learn a lesson but doesn’t deny them the social aspect of being in a “mainstream” classroom.

    For this reason alone, I think Clay’s charity will receive the extra $250K prize. It’s a fairly new organization, but inclusion projects have already been introduced to schools and will continue to become widespread throughout society. Good on ya, Clay!

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    April
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 7:11 am

    Chaosbutterfly (cool name): It is more a hang up of mine. I have dealt with people in the past that are super likeable and even when they are in the wrong or go too far, it is so easily forgiven because they are likeable. Especially when the one they went too far on is someone less likeable. Well I don’t think that is okay and it does not excuse it. A mistake is a mistake. If Aubrey called Arsenio a racial slur I doubt it would have been so easily forgiven. That is my point. You go too far on someone, it is what it is. You screwed up. Don’t try to make excuses for them. He apologized and did better and that is great but no way should he be able to win now.

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    snowshoecat
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 7:43 am

    Never have seen his show, and I suppose he has a reputation as a hard-ass, but I think that Paul would absolutely be the best grandpa of all time. He just looks so cuddly, and from what he has done on the show (dork in a sweater) he just seems to be open for anything fun.

    Okay, back to reading.

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    April
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 7:44 am

    I agree snowshoecat. He is adorable.

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    April
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 7:54 am

    “Sometimes when I gaze upon her beauty, I feel a sense of tranquility.
    Is that some kind of sedating power to obtain victims more easily?”

    It would work on me. I am gay for her. So pretty……

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    crankyguy
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 8:17 am

    I didn’t really know that some people think it’s an unforgivable act for a MAN to be driven over the edge and call a demonic bitch from hell a bitch. Seems sexist to me in light of Lisa getting a pass for calling everybody under the sun a bitch and much worse, not just as an isolated incident, but on a daily basis, and excusing her because it’s her job as an insult comic — “She’s joking. Get over it.”

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    JimmyT
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 8:22 am

    @ sarcas – I totally agree with your take. This is Clay’s to loose and the edit is making it seem like the Aubrey/Debbie Crazy Train are gong to totally sink him, which totally confirms that he will win. The editors in this show are also not very transparent.

    I’ve liked Arsenio all along but up to this episode didn’t really think that he could hold a candle to Clay (part of me wishes Aubrey would have gone in his place so that we could all see her crash and burn miserably). But, at least from the edit, he seemed like a much more together, calm and reasonable PM than poor frazzled Clay. Unfortunately, he made the wrong choice by picking Adam. I like that guy but unfortunately he is not consistently good. He strikes me as a affable and funny slacker that is effective when things are going his way, but is not very good at thinking outside the box or adapting to tough situations. Who the hell sends their podcast audio guys to shoot the anchor footage for the PSA? I’m sorry but while the idea for that PSA might have been good, it looks terrible in the execution, and not just because of the Magic thing. Those costumes are too cartoony and it makes the whole thing look like a bad public access show.

    I think that what Arsenio needed was Penn instead of Adam. I think Penn has gotten a lot of flack on this show for being negative, but I see it differently. This episode showed that he is the type of guy that spends a lot of time trying to anticipate problems with ideas. He likes to break things down so see if they will work or not. I suspect this is how he works regularly on his own projects rather than to sandbag his team mates and in this case, it actually provided the seed Clay with a much better idea. He would have probably also been a much needed cautionary voice in Arsenio’s team.

    As it stands (at least based on the edit), Arsenio seems to have much better fundraising situation and reception set up, but a pretty bad PSA. Clay’s situation seems to be the opposite. It almost seems as if it would come down the performance. But, even if Debbie and Aubrey decide to sabotage Clay out of spite, he’s going to win it, which is fine with me.

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    RazzBeth
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Let’s see. I am a woman. And I am in America. But yet I don’t hate Arsenio for saying what he did about Aubrey. And it’s not because he is super likable. I don’t hate him because he told the TRUTH. Granted he could have expressed himself differently, but I have to give him credit for holding things in that long. From what I understand was Aubrey’s and Lisa’s behavior (both what we saw and didn’t), I would have had my hands around some bitch’s neck a lot sooner.

    And I hate the hypocrisy that it is not okay for a man to say things, yet even more vile, abusive crap coming from a woman’s mouth is aceptable, or at least not considered worthy of contempt. We have all lost control at some point in our lives (and if you haven’t, I want some of the drugs you are on) whether it be in traffic, at work, watching tv or just being around family. The difference is that we have NON PUBLIC places to vent our frustration. Our friends and family aren’t filming us 24/7 because I’m sure if they did, there would be a lot of footage of behavior quite similar. Hell, we do that everyday commenting on the recaps. So what is that saying? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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    KartofflMuter
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Crankyguy-if I haven’t said it yet-I love you! You and I are right ! and everybody else -mostly-is WRONG! Seriously, no matter which way things go down,Aubrey calls her foes haters. No-Clay an Arsenio can’t be done with her tantrums. They’re haters,bullies,and haters. I’d like to see her go up against Craig Ferguson and the
    dead skeleton-Geoff. Or put her up against me. My husband says I have the most lethal mouth in the West. Jewish/Catholic refugee of WW2 and out for blood. I kill where I can and snack between meals,but I’m kind to the wee pussies. (My husband’s a Hindu and funeral home directors have been told I have clear plans to douse him in butter,light him with a match,and roll him down the hill. He’s on the economy plan.)
    Clay must win,if only because he was robbed on Idol. He’s a sterling personality.
    Will it kill him to lose? No.
    Will it kill Arsenio or his charity not to lose? No.
    I still don’t understand why Jay Leno didn’t come forward and personally proffer a huge check to make up for the enormous cock-up on the earlier episode.
    Aubrey needs donations from someone -if only to cover her roots. Please donate!!! I have no idea what drugstore dye costs,but call me Aubs. I’ll kick in 11.84. However,henna costs $2.99 and will last you a year and looks natural. Try it.

    I like the fact that Arsenio and Clay are friends with each other since the show began .You can feel it.
    Sorry this is so long but but the “reply” was missing on my computer.

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    Michael Hauer
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 9:24 am

    I realize as Penn said that there all no real rules to this game, but while it is a very generous offer on Lisa’s part to support Clay’s team as well as Arsenio’s team, isn’t it a little bit of a back stab to Arsenio? Fund Raising is going to be a major factor in deciding the winner of this event, and any dollar Lisa gives to Clay but not Arsenio is like a double whammy. If she felt so strongly about the charity then she should have given the money to his charity after the show and off the air, not is a manner that handicaps the guy who picked her after Clay passed on her.

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    KartofflMuter
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Aubrey-Bite me. Put me in a room with the Aubs and her Baubs and I will destroy her. Please??? I know she has self-esteem issues. Let me be the final anchor that weighs down her positive feelings.

    Clay was a superb performer. Her had a few moments of self-doubt. Doesn’t everyone? He’s also a father,has had a rough time coming out,being hounded, doing Broadway-twice, touring the U.S. numerous times, being watched like a bug on a slide, and struggling with unruly hair (my input). Aubrey shakes her breasts ,doesn’t dye here hair on time, and bitches at everyone,all the time.

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    Moli
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 10:19 am

    I can’t agree with calling someone a b-word equal to calling someone a n-word. I do not use the b-word even when referring to female dogs. As a Brown woman I could hear a b-word comment and keep it moving, if I heard a n-word comment I’d be highly offended. The male equivalent for the b-word(in insults) is calling him a pu**y, would you say calling a male a p-word is attuned to calling a Brown person a n-word?

    I may be a little sensitive on the subject matter being part of the race that is referred to as n-word.

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    April
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 10:36 am

    crankyguy: I certainly never gave Lisa a pass as far as her behavior on CA. I think she was a hypocrite and nasty.

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    April
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Razzbeth: Good points. I do rant and rave to my hubby or my mother when people pizz me off. The difference is cameras are not pointed at me. If they were I probably would rein it in A LOT. Arsenio did not and that was his mistake. Sinking to someone’s level or lower (Aubrey really never name called or insulted or yelled at anyone) is not the way to win anything.

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    April
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Moli: he did not just call her a bitch. He also called her a whore and slut and fat. He had about a 15 minute insult rant that made him look cray cray. Like Marlee I was disappointed in him. I am sure it was just stress and he is probably a nice guy. I am not saying he is NOT a nice guy. I am saying he no longer deserves to win this contest over it. Big difference.

    For the record, to me, an insult is an insult. Being racial does not make it worse than any other horrible insult. Just like I don’t believe in hate crimes. A crime is a crime is a crime. An insult is an insult is an insult. But my point stands. If she ranted and raved and called him an asshole pussy ugly mo-fo for 15 minutes I doubt anyone would be so quick to defend her like they did Arsenio. The reason why, Arsenio is popular and Aubrey isn’t. Okay, but that doesn’t make it okay. We should hold all people to the same standards.

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    featherhead
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 11:02 am

    How funny would it be if this POS mural has “Shake your Love” written in graffiti across it. Clay told them numerous times he doesn’t want to paint the room, yet Debbi keeps shoving it down his throat. Her cousin must not be a real artist if she cannot be bothered to make a sketch to show Clay what she wants to do. I’m glad he’s standing his ground!
    Just my two cents, I don’t have a problem with Arsenio venting to the room about Aubrey. I wasn’t offended and in Aubreys TH’s she’s ragging on Arsenio big time, alluding to him being gay and what not.

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    crankyguy
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 11:03 am

    April, if you add up the times for all Lisa’s rants, I’ll bet you’ll get more than Arsenio’s 15 minutes or however long his rant was. And, she has had multiple targets for her vitriol, some of whom pissed her off for not much more than just existing in her space. You may have called out Lisa here, and I don’t remember, but if you have only called out Arsenio, then by focusing just on him, you implicitly gave Lisa a pass. Aubrey called Arsenio “the biggest woman here” in one of her confessionals. That is worse than bitch and whore, especially since in the particular area of the music industry that she is in, women are called bitch and ho all time.

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    April
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 11:25 am

    I don’t care who says what in confessionals since nobody sees it at the time even Donald. So as far as how the contest goes it makes no difference.

    I don’t get why you keep bringing up Lisa. I DID call out Lisa like 100 times throughout all the recaps. Go back and look if you don’t believe me! I called her a hypocrite for yelling at Arsenio for calling Aubrey at bitch (when at the time I was glad Lisa stood up for her) but then turning around and calling Dayana a bitch and ranting about her for just as long as Arsenio ranted about Aubrey. I said something about Pot meet Kettle.

    That is just my opinion about why I am rooting for Clay over Arsenio big time. Clay had disagreements during the show but always kept it civil that I remember. He did not call Penn a giant douchbag idiot scumhole. Instead he used constructive words and did not resort to insults and name calling and stuck to the task. So win for Clay.

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    crankyguy
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 11:31 am

    April, if it looks like I’m fighting with you, I apologize. Since the forums are not up, I use the comments section as a substitute for having discussions and friendly disagreements. I just didn’t remember if you said anything about Lisa; if you say you did, then sure, I believe you. No need for me to go back and look.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 11:36 am

    @April, I’m going to have to with Moli on this one. Calling someone a name based on a characteristic they were born with (namely the color of their skin), is definitely not the same as regular old name-calling. If someone is acting like an asshole or a bully or whatever, you are calling them out on their actions, not their race or gender, which is unacceptable to most.

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    April
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Crankyguy: No worries.

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    Luscious
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    IMHO no one has behaved worse than anyone else. While Arsenio should not have let his anger get the best of him, Aubrey is guilty of many inappropriate words herself. In confessional she said Arsenio dresses in women’s clothes and once referred to both Teresa and Dayana as slow and dimwitted like blonde physicists. If for some inexplicable reason you think her name calling in confessional shouldn’t count, then how about her referring suggesting Tia was in her 50′s and intimidated by a 27 year old. Or saying that Tia is as old as a mop that has been in business for a hundred years? I believe her passive aggressive behavior is far more despicable than someone who vents their anger and then apologizes.

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    LooneyLioness
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    @Luscious, I totally agree! Arsenio’s rant was ass, but at least he is aware that it was ass, felt ashamed of it and apologized for it. Aubrey seems to believe her shit don’t stink and everything she does is golden. I’d much rather work with the individual who learns from his/her mistakes than the one who won’t accept or admit she/he ever makes any. As for Clay v. Arsenio. Although, not on a level with Arsenio’s rant, Clay hasn’t always been Mr. Calm, Cool and Collected either. And I think he was a snarky ass to Dayana. Not cool. Not admirable. IMHO.

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    chaosbutterfly
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    ^Exactly.
    Clay likened working with Dayana to working with a special needs child and made a mean joke involving Aubrey’s momma’s chach.

    And Aubrey said that Arsenio is dirt, insinuated that his career was in the toilet, and went behind his back to both Eric and Dorkus Amongus and told them that Arsenio is useless, uncreative, and incapable of making decisions.
    So we have all fallen short of the glory lol.

    Also, can we clear this up for once and for all?
    During his rant, did Arsenio say GUN or GUT? I heard gun. Plus even though Aubrey has let her weight get away from her from time to time, I can honestly say that I’ve never seen her with a belly.

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    Luscious
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    I’ve done my due diligence and I am 99.987653421% positive that Arsenio said he found pictures of her with a gun. It makes more sense with his diatribe that she was irrelevant and not a professional, rather than remarking on her weight which is not an Arsenio type move. Plus if you google Aubrey, the 15th image to appear is Aubrey licking a gun.

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    LooneyLioness
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    “Aubrey licking a gun” Niiiiice.

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    DaisyHurts
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    I heard it as ‘gun,’ too. But in that picture where she appears to be licking a gun, she is actually, if you give it a good look, licking a stripper pole. So not only was Arsenio right that she’s a bitch and a whore, Clay is right that she slid out of her Momma right onto a stripper pole.

    They both get a pass for their language, because they were both right about her. She’s horrible, and she is also whorish. That she is mostly selling naked pictures of herself for men to masturbate to rather than selling sex acts does not mean she is not a whore: it just means she’s a whore who doesn’t give good value for her customers’ money.

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    Luscious
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    LOL! Brilliant point, Daisy!

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    DaisyHurts
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    On the topic of whether using words like bitch and whore to put down a woman is wrong, I would say it is wrong only if she is not literally bitchy and whorish. So it’s fine to call somebody like Aubrey that, but not to use these terms to express your rage at a woman who does not do things like bitchily insult everybody in sight and whip her tits out in public. When these terms are not the literal truth, the use of them indicates that what you hate about the woman in question is nothing more nor less than her femininity.

    And it is not true that the male equivalent of those terms is to call a man a “pussy” or “the biggest girl there” because those terms do not insult him for being MALE, but for being FEMININE. Like bitch and whore, they are misogynistic insults. They are also homophobic, but homophobia, especially when directed at effeminate men (as it almost always is) is also, at its core, a form of misogyny.

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    Enrique's Mole
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    I thought Arsenio said “GUNT”. I rewound a couple times & it was pretty clear.

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    DaisyHurts
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Naked with a “Gunt?” How could she be a she and be naked without a “Gunt?”

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    sarcasatire
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    I thought the pic of her licking a gun was actually a gun, but @Daisyhurts, you’re right..it’s a stripper pole. And now that I noticed that, I couldn’t help but notice all the grimy fingerprints all over the pole that she is licking. Ewww.

    http://fresh2defsheis.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/aubrey-oday-15.jpg?w=438

    She’s holding a pretty big gun in this pic, and while she doesn’t have a gut, I do spy a tummy tuck scar.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IUVuLw002DQ/TeT1IYWfMyI/AAAAAAAACdg/NahS9xOq1Sc/s1600/aubrey-o-day-super-soaker.jpg

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    DaisyHurts
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Oh my God. That’s a different picture than the one I saw! She’s taken multiple pictures of herself licking a stripper pole!!!

    I could barf. And I just watched a koala baby eating its mother’s poop straight from her butthole without blanching. (True. The series “Nature” on PBS is showing a documentary about koalas. Apparently babies eat poop to populate their digestive systems with the bacteria needed to digest eucalyptus leaves.)

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    Robinez
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    I still don’t think either one of them is a gentleman. A real man does not disparage a woman in public regardless of how “correct” they think their assessment is. The character of the man comes to the surface.

    I also think Lisa is a total waste of air and I cannot stand her. I think she was also out of line for the things she said. I would give the same argument about being a lady, but I never expected her to be a lady. She has always been a mass of ugly.

    I expected better of both Arsineo and Clay and was completely wrong about both of them. Yeah, Arsineo was heated when he said those things about Aubrey, but he said it and you can’t convince me that he all of the sudden turned into a foul mouthed mean spirited person because Aubrey came into his life. It was in him. Clay was sitting calmly behind the camera when he said she came out of her Mom and climbed the pole. This was an extraneous statement and there was no need for it to be said other than the fact that he wanted to say it.

    Robin

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    leslilly
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Even Debbie Gibson’s music director was making faces when she sang. She has a very nasal speaking voice, and she cannot sing without autotune.

    My husband thought Clay was being difficult, but I didn’t think so (and I’m the furthest thing from a Claymate – never saw him on AI & I don’t know his music). I think Debbie was being difficult. She wouldn’t listen to what Clay asked of her. She’s ALL about her ego. Aubrey was surprisingly quiet in this epi.

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    BSparky
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    OMG loved the vampire comment. Always thought the Trumpster must be a vamp–cause he sucks!!

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    leslilly
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    Sarcastire – excellent points, chica! I love what you said esp. in re: to Catholic Big Brothers. Thanks for the insights.
    Luscious – your recaps have been the BOMB! I’m sad that it’s all over Sunday

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    leslilly
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    I’m slowly reading through and enjoying the comments – chaosbutterfly Posted May 15, 2012 at 8:48 pm – I forgot to mention that I entirely agree w/your comments as well.

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    leslilly
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    snowshoecat & april – my husband loves Paul’s motorcycle show(s), so I’ve been subjected to seeing/hearing many of Paul’s tirades. < Unbelievable, right? I swear, he is a different person on this show. Perhaps he is mellowing…whatever the case, I really like the Paul Sr. I have seen on CA.

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    chaosbutterfly
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    @DaisyHurts, something about that koala story is cracking me up.

    @Sarcastire, I feel like gagging right now. If she couldn’t even be bothered to clean off the fingerprints, can you imagine the germs on that thing from people rubbing their vajays on it, sliding down it by their bootycracks, and gripping it with their sweaty armpits? I think she’s also not wearing a top.

    @Robinez, everyone has the potential to be ugly, and everyone has let it out from time to time. That is what being human is. Even Jesus got angry from time to time and said/did some fucked up things as a result. Unless you really want to tell me that you are the one perfect human on Earth, then I don’t see how you can judge Arsenio for that, or try to say that one bad moment automatically negates his ability to be a good person. I can count on one hand how many bad moments Arsenio has had on this show, but I can’t even begin to count how many times he’s been gracious and kind and adorable and funny.
    And if it’s true that one bad moment can erase every good thing you’ve ever done, then my life is fucked, your life is fucked, everyone’s life is fucked and we are all going straight to hell. Because I know I’ve had my moments (yes plural, so maybe I’m super duper fucked) and I refuse to believe that you haven’t had yours.

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    Robinez
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    @Chaosbutterfly

    I don’t disagree with you. I am just saying that these two are not in any sense of the word Gentlemen, and I am disapointed by the way they conducted themselves on the show.

    As a result, I have lost respect for both of them. It’s just my opinion.

    BTW, The last time jesus and I (he hates it when you capitalize his name) talked, we laughed about the last time I fucked up

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    KartofflMuter
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Michael H.
    Technically,Clay didn’t pass on Lisa. Arsenio chose her first. He said he knew Clay wanted her so he wanted to make sure Clay didn’t get her. And one of the first things Lisa said was that she had already secured a large check ahead of time for the team she would be on and that it was in her hotel room. I think the $10,000 was a donation made in friendship to Clay for making the last few weeks livable. She was much less tense on this last episode. Dayana brought out the absolute worst in her. The real reason may be somewhere on the cutting room floor. Every now and then you meet someone who just makes you grind your teeth-who knows why?

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    Robinez
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    @KartofflMuter,

    I have no doubt that Dayana thought she was a wolf in sheeps clothing. I would definately give her the crown for “Most Passive Aggressive” of the season.

    Robin

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    sarcasatire
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    @daisyhurts: After licking so many strippers poles, Aubrey and the koalas may have something in common. Rampant chlamydia.

    http://www.aolnews.com/2010/09/17/koala-population-ravaged-by-chlamydia/

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    Moli
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    @sarcasatire I have to ask…how does one stumble upon an article about koalas having Chlamydia?

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    sarcasatire
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    @moli: LOL!! It was something I learned a few years ago. One of those facts that stick in your brain because it’s so absurd. What’s funnier is when I did a google search to look up an article to accompany my joke, there was the headline “Member of boy band One Direction has a chlamydia scare after being urinated on by a koala!” Damn..another unforgettable factoid…

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    sarcasatire
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    And just by reading this thread, I learned baby koalas go “ass to mouth.” See, you can pick up fun facts just about anywhere. lol

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    Anyhoo
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Oh well, I don’t disagree about Debbie Gibson. She may be trying to help sooo bad but should have stick with her assignment. She’s the only one that has never rub off on me among the 18 contestant. Aubrey is overbearing and self-centered but she just has a brilliant creative mind. It is a show, it’s only a snip of their performance on Celebrity Apprentice. I found myself entertained, be it annoyed, surprised, or disgusted. I’m having great fun! Turn Clay to a vampire if you can! hah

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    Robinez
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    @Chaosbutterfly,

    I just returned and read my previous post. I said that I agreed but I have to make a correction.

    I understand your argument that Arsineo was heated. I am still puzzled why Clay, calmly sitting in a chair decided to say the things that he did. ?

    TC, Robin

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    Robinez
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Doggonit! This didn’t show up…

    “I understand your argument that Arsineo was heated, I don’t agree with it, but I understand it.”

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    crankyguy
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    Robinez, I think it was on Clay’s blog the week of the remark you find so offensive, where he said that the producers bait people during their confessionals to say catty things about the other contestants, so he made the stripper pole remark, knowing that they couldn’t use it, just to piss them off. It backfired on him since they did use it.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    Crankyguy, that’s funny. So Clay was just making a random joke about Aubrey and a stripper pole which sent us to google where *gasp!* there were plenty of pics of Aubrey on stripper poles. Coincidence? Or is Aubrey more transparent than she likes to admit?

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    Robinez
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Hey Cranky,

    The words came out of his mouth via his brain regardless of whether he was goaded, baited or caught with a #13 hook. He said it. And saying it thinking that nobody will ever hear it doesn’t make it better. It kinda makes it worse.

    He assumed that talking smack about someone else is OK as long as it doesn’t air? Hmm.

    TC, Robin

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    Robinez
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 12:12 am

    I just looked at Clay’s blogarbage.

    He not only continues to stand behind insulting Aubrey and will not even admit that it may have been a bit harsh, he attempts to insult us by asking the reader to believe that his will was stripped from him, and he was just doing what was asked of him. This TASK was to sit behind the camera and be mean. As hard as it was, he had to come up with something..so stripper pole it is. It isn’t HIS fault!

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    leslilly
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 2:56 am

    But Aubrey does love the stripper pole…she even likes to lick it.

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    crankyguy
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 6:41 am

    So, Robinez, Clay’s story of how he was bullied by producers didn’t soften your hard heart, eh? This bullying problem really is rampant, isn’t it? Arsenio and Clay bullied Aubrey. The producers bullied Clay into saying that Aubrey has been a stripper since birth. Penn bullied Clay. Lisa bullied about everyone except Aubrey, etc., etc. I even bullied my cat to get out of my chair so I could type this post. I can’t keep track of it all. It’s a national epidemic.

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    DaisyHurts
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 6:41 am

    Exactly!

    Aubrey is a vile, disgusting, vicious, slutty bitch who insulted everybody else in the cast (except possibly Lisa) so continuously that the producers had to cherry-pick her nasty remarks because it was impossible to air them all. And what makes you mad is that Clay said ONE less than kind thing about her, even though his comment was both funny and absolutely true?

    I don’t think you’re going to find many people agreeing with you that he was unacceptably impolite to that stripper pole licking piece of trash.

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    DaisyHurts
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 6:47 am

    My “exactly!” was aimed as Leslilly, but now it looks like it was meant for Crankyguy who was apparently typing his post the same time I was.

    I really miss the reply button.

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    crankyguy
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 6:49 am

    That stripper pole Aubrey was licking looked to be less sanitary than the average toilet seat in a men’s public restroom at a bus station. Aubrey, at least rub it down with an antiseptic wipe before laying your tongue on it, you filthy trollop.

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    sheesh
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 6:53 am

    I just came on to say.
    Great recap Lucious!

    This thread is great because I have learned something new.
    I used to like koalas…now they are icking me out.
    Sarcas…you have ruined my koala joy. (chlamydia peepee poopoo eating baby koala sadhorns)

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    crankyguy
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 6:55 am

    I don’t miss the reply button because it didn’t work all the time — a reply could end up anywhere. Another thing I didn’t like about it was that every post past the reply was renumbered, so nobody could reference a previous post by number. And another thing . . . one had to look through the entire thread to find new posts, looking at the time stamp of each one.

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    sheesh
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 6:58 am

    Just use the @(username).
    I don’t miss the reply button either.
    I really do miss the forums though…and the other 5 people that spent time there.

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    sheesh
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 7:01 am

    AND I miss the forums because I swear I saw Sarah Michelle Geller smoking and I have no one to talk about it with!

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    classy drunk
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 7:14 am

    I agree Sheesh, I mean how am I supposed to know how people’s grand babies are doing or engagements and such.

    kthxbai used to give the best updates on Gigalos, but without the forums I had to actually WATCH the rest of the season to find out what happened. (why did I care is the real issue)

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    sheesh
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 7:23 am

    They’ll get them back soon enough.
    Work has been quite the chore with them gone.

    Maybe we’ll get more people going there as well.

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    snowshoecat
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 7:38 am

    Oh Cranky! “I even bullied my cat to get out of my chair” I’ve liked you for such a long time. That really hurts. *sniffle*

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    crankyguy
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 7:51 am

    snowshoecat, even if Robinez won’t forgive Clay, the cat forgave me immediately since she jumped into my lap right after I sat down. Forgiveness is a good thing.

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    DaisyHurts
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 8:06 am

    This is the only reality show I ever watch, so after next Sunday I’ll have nothing to talk about on here. *sniffle*

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    sheesh
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 8:13 am

    @DaisyHurts…

    I don’t watch most of the shows I comment on (too busy on the computer…heh), but what other site will you be learning about the disgusting habits of koalas.

    Plus the recappershave been known to get one interested into watching a show.

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    snowshoecat
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Cranky– cats are that way, and still I still luvs ya!

    Btw sheesh, if you read the Today’s Top 10 (which I highly recommend ’cause SuperB is terrific and funny) you would also know that koalas are also drunks. Sad to say that the eucalyptus the dine upon ferments in their stomachs, so they live their entire lives swacked out of their furry little skulls. Which probably explains a lot of that other behavior we just learned about. And they probs don’t remember anything the next morning.

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    sheesh
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 8:28 am

    @ssc…bless you! That totally changed my morning around!
    I haven’t gotten to TT 10 yet.

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     snowshoecat
     Posted May 17, 2012 at 8:41 am

     Sheesh, oh goody! I flove turning mornings around. Wish I could do that with finances.

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     snowshoecat
     Posted May 17, 2012 at 8:46 am

     Top Ten + koalas is the Wednesday site. One adorable little koala takes a huge honkin’ chunk out of some poor guy’s leg. Hope he got medical attention. And therapy.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 17, 2012 at 8:53 am

     Aubrey licks stripper poles. COCK!

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     Robinez
     Posted May 17, 2012 at 10:21 am

     “I don’t think you’re going to find many people agreeing with you that he was unacceptably impolite to that stripper pole licking piece of trash.”

     If everyone agreed with everyone the discussions here would be pretty boring. I can’t control what anyone thinks, nor would I want to. I can only control what I say, and I have been polite to everyone that I have replied to on this thread.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 17, 2012 at 10:33 am

     Daisyhurts..I will also be at a loss once this show is finished next week. And Game of thrones has only three more episodes left…then what? I tend to hang out at the Watercooler section of the site but I may have to find a popular show with plenty of fun discourse in the comment section. Dare I say it, the Housewives may suck me back in!

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 17, 2012 at 11:04 am

     So wait, koalas are STD-ridden drunks? Why hasn’t one been casted on Jersey Shore?

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     sheesh
     Posted May 17, 2012 at 11:09 am

     There is, they call her Snooki.

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     mjhhawk
     Posted May 17, 2012 at 11:13 am

     @KartofflMuter

     Clay did pass on Lisa. Arsenio took Adam first, followed by Clay taking penn over Lisa, and then Arsenio took her. So I still think Lisa’s support of Clay’s charity is disloyal to the team she is supposed to be supporting.

     I wonder how many of the posters here are men. I am one and I find Aubrey and those pictures disturbing. However say one word about my Dayana and……..

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 17, 2012 at 11:28 am

     Well played!

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     snowshoecat
     Posted May 17, 2012 at 11:54 am

     Love, love, love you sheesh!!!!!!!!

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     DaisyHurts
     Posted May 17, 2012 at 12:47 pm

     It would be great if we could agree on a show to watch that starts not too long after this one ends. I’ve never watched the housewives shows. I tried watching Jersey Shore once, but all of the participants were so alike as to be interchangeable. It was soooo boring. Isn’t that true of the housewives shows too?

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 17, 2012 at 1:16 pm

     After a few seasons of Housewives the storylines get so dragged out it’s like “c’mon already!” But I do miss chatting with the ladies in the comment section. I don’t know any shows that start soon..Big Brother isn’t until summer and every other contest show seems to be in the finale stages. June will be a TV ghost town..

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     Robinez
     Posted May 17, 2012 at 11:26 pm

     “Since the forums are not up, I use the comments section as a substitute for having discussions and friendly ….”

     I know what you mean. There is only so much OT we can talk about in recap discussion though, otherwise we are disrespecting the recapper for their work. They didn’t spend the time to write this for us so we could talk about the weather in Idaho. (do they have weather in Idaho?)

     I want the forum up if for no other reason then to talk about that “Coupon Suzy” commercial. UGH.

     TC, Robin

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     crankyguy
     Posted May 18, 2012 at 9:52 am

     Are discussions in the comments about things on the show that the recapper has covered, or even arguing about the merits of various contestants, really disrespecting the recapper? I never thought of it that way, unless the topics just veer off into something not related to the show at all. I have seen a few of the threads devolve to what I would imagine a women’s coffee gathering would sound like, so maybe that kind of thing is what you mean — like you say, the weather in Idaho or if Iowa sucks more than rural Kansas.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 18, 2012 at 10:20 am

     Crankyguy, I wouldn’t put too much stock in that, if I were you. Especially if it didn’t come from a moderator or the recapper themselves. Even when the forums were up, people tend to comment on the recaps more than in the forums because it’s a compliment to the recapper for all of their hard work. And going on tangents happen organically…one minute we’re talking about Aubrey, next minute we’re comparing her to koala bears. And sure, when you have a thread that has 600 comments, it’s not likely that all of them will pertain to the show. But as I often see recappers join the discussion, I’m not entirely convinced they find side discussions disrespectful, especially as they never come on a thread to break things up.

     Sure, the forums have a million threads where you can begin a discussion that has nothing to do with any shows (Things My Cat Ate). But even when they were up, I never saw a recapper tell a group to take a discussion to the forums, unless it pertained to spoilers. I’m just wouldn’t want posters to feel discouraged about posting when they haven’t heard any complaints from above, is all.

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     crankyguy
     Posted May 18, 2012 at 10:25 am

     Okay, I won’t feel guilty unless one of the Powers That Be slaps me down.

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     labowner
     Posted May 18, 2012 at 10:30 am

     Morning everyone. Sorry I don’t mean to advertise for Adam Carolla or anything (he does get on my nerves like no ones business), but I do know he and the rest of the contestants do when on his podcast, talk freely about the bullshit that is CA. If you listen to his episode with Joel Stein and start at 7:00 (he has a tendency to rant, keep with it) you will hear the bullshit about filming Magic and he does discuss his stint at PM etc.

     Today Arsenio is on his podcast. Haven’t listened, but if you wait Lisa will be a guest and they will surely talk about everything that happened behind the scenes etc. Lisa points out they don’t wear the same outfit twice, so when her talking head this past week said she was worried about Adam, that was from his stint as PM weeks ago.

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     DaisyHurts
     Posted May 18, 2012 at 11:24 am

     Not a surprise. On Clay’s blog, he said that when they showed him talking about Penn they were using old footage there, too. Evidently things went too smoothly on the final task for the editor’s taste.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 19, 2012 at 2:06 am

     @labowner and @Daisyhurts: Where are these blogs and podcasts, prey tell? I wanna be in the ‘know’, too!

     When it comes to the talking head interviews, I always look to see what the contestants are wearing. Sometimes, they wear different looks in their confessionals, other times their outfit is the one they wear into the boardroom. Boardroom outfits usually call out an eliminated party because they are rarely shot after they’ve been sent packing. But who knows…Trump may switch things up on Sunday.

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     DaisyHurts
     Posted May 19, 2012 at 5:46 am

     Clay’s blog, called “Clay’s Take” is on NBC’s Celebrity Apprentice site.
     http://www.nbc.com/the-apprentice/clays-take/

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     DaisyHurts
     Posted May 19, 2012 at 5:57 am

     I’m reading the blog again and seeing that he didn’t say that there. So it mus have been in an interview. Damned if I know which one, but he definitely said it.

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     Robinez
     Posted May 19, 2012 at 9:30 pm

     “I wouldn’t put too much stock in that, if I were you. Especially if it didn’t come from a moderator or the recapper themselves”

     It was my opinion, @ crankyguy.

     “I’m just wouldn’t want posters to feel discouraged about posting when they haven’t heard any complaints from above, is all.”

     So manners and respect only apply if the author or someone from “above” has specifically posted about manners? This is something that needs to be pointed out with a post?

     Quit post humping me.

     Robin

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 19, 2012 at 11:33 pm

     I was talking to Crankyguy. Because you wrote, “There is only so much OT we can talk about in recap discussion though, otherwise we are disrespecting the recapper for their work.”

     Says who? You’re using the term “we” as if you are speaking for everyone and you are calling people disrespectful for going off-topic when that happens on 99% of the comment threads at TVGasm. If everyone is being disrespectful everyday I just feel like it would have been addressed already, don’t you? However, I agree with you; it was only your opinion, and I cleared that up for Crankyguy. I didn’t direct my post to you nor make any comments about you, I only addressed his question.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 20, 2012 at 3:06 am

     I mean to say that I agree that it was only an opinion and that I wouldn’t want anyone to feel that they’re disrespectful for veering off topic. A crazy pageant mom calling autistic children “retards” is met by posts to the contrary. I welcome these discussions, not only to see a crazy pageant mom get shut down, but also to learn more about autism. There’s a lot to learn from an OT thread!

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     DaisyHurts
     Posted May 21, 2012 at 6:20 am

     The fix was in from the beginning.

     http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2012/02/comcast-to-launch-magic-johnson-cable-channel-aspire.html

     Magic Johnson is launching his own cable channel, affiliated with NBC. It was announced back in February, but it was a done deal months before that–back when this season of CA was being cast. NBC arranged who would win CA from the beginning, in order to use the show to generate publicity for Magic Johnson and his/their new cable channel scheduled to launch the month after the show ends. It’s pretty obvious Arsenio has been promised a talk show on old friend Magic’s channel in exchange for playing along.

     Wow. Is there any business dirtier and more cutthroat than show business?

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     crankyguy
     Posted May 21, 2012 at 8:52 am

     “The fix was in . . . ”

     Thanks. As soon as the surprise winner (Well, I was surprised because I really thought the guy whom I wanted to win had lost) said something about having his own show, I was thinking that it had to be connected to NBC, and that would explain everything. But, hey, we already knew that this show is as fake as Aubrey’s red hair, didn’t we?

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     DaisyHurts
     Posted May 21, 2012 at 6:26 pm

     “But, hey, we already knew that this show is as fake as Aubrey’s red hair, didn’t we?”

     Good point. ; )

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 21, 2012 at 7:00 pm

     I don’t care what you guys say…Aubrey’s bitterness was real.

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     DaisyHurts
     Posted May 22, 2012 at 5:22 am

     “I don’t care what you guys say…Aubrey’s bitterness was real.”

     Yeah. And so was Dayana’s. In fact, I think ALL of the bitterness ANY of them expressed was real.
     But next to nothing else was.

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     snowshoecat
     Posted May 22, 2012 at 5:43 am

     Wait…wait…Aubrey’s red hair ISN’T real?

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     leslilly
     Posted May 22, 2012 at 9:27 pm

     DaisyHurts – agree. 100% Unless Aubrey is a stupendous actor, that bitterness was real. I kept watching Aubrey during the finale. She was seated right next to Dayana and she could NOT stand it. Aubrey looked uncomfortable and kept moving her body as far from Dayana as she could. It’s all jealousy w/her. Yes, I know, not ALL women are jealous…but I think Aubrey is. She didn’t want to be seated next to Dayana because it would take away from Aubrey. Everyone’s eye naturally falls to Dayana who is a classic beauty. I have to say that Aubrey would be more attractive if she had a personality transplant.

     Dayana seemed uncomfortable as well. Lisa was surprisingly good-natured and admitted that she is, in fact, insane.

     Re: the ending and the winner. I was shocked that Clay didn’t win. Clay is the true winner in the matter of his professionalism, conscientiousness, etc. He earned the most $$$, but Clay didn’t flood Trump with all the compliments like Arsenio did. I like Arsenio, but his mac was disgusting. I’m surprised they could pull him out of Trump’s ass so they could deem him the winner. He had to be in up to his shoulders.

     The entire thing is a scam. Will I watch it again? Probably.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 22, 2012 at 9:54 pm

     lesilly: Yes…Aubrey had major bitchface everyone time the crowd cheered for Dayana! I laughed because Dayana got cheers and laughs and when Aubrey came out on the stage the volume of the cheers dropped audibly. I cracked up!

     Come join us on the new recap..we’re chewing the fat over there. I’m feeling kinda bad for the guys who read the recaps late only to find finale spoilers posted in previous recaps. In the minicaps for the finale, it’s all good..but the recaps posted week(s) prior shouldn’t really spoil anything for our fellow Gasmii… their bitterness will be real.

     xoxox

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     chaosbutterfly
     Posted May 23, 2012 at 1:12 am

     ^Yes, I am bitter.
     And yes, it is real. *drags self off to go watch show*

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     leslilly
     Posted May 23, 2012 at 2:22 am

     Oh fuck!! I’m so sorry, Gasmii. I wasn’t careful and posted who won on this recap. Sarcastire, thanks for pointing that out. Chaosbutterfly, sorry

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     KartofflMuter
     Posted May 23, 2012 at 3:42 pm

     Robinez-at this point-I hope you are hanging your head an shame and realizing the difference between white and black and gray. You really aren’t into subtlites,are you. A pretty face pouts and says,”the gay man ees booleeing me.” That’s all you hear and see.” Have you truly been bullied? Because I have. Thrown down an out-house,beaten with a bat, called names that wouldn’t be allowed on prime time,all before 2nd grade. Bullied? Gee-you see those of us that love and defend and understand Clay,we were the kids huddling in the corner who developed a great sense of humour because it was better to laugh at ourselves first and beat our “friends” to the punch. Some of us are even attractive. I am. Surprised? I was asked to be a hostess for the first Playboy Club in GreenBay. I did Standup. I majored in Theatre and Ballet. But I was a friend to every picked on guy and girl in school. And I could never wear short sleeves.Bullied? If you think Dayana was bullied,you’ve been consulting your penis,not your brain-or your heart.In her last 2 episodes,she visibly sneers at the other contestants. Editing is an interesting device for the ignorant. Clay said they had a call a 4:30am an worked together till 10:00pm. Since the episodes lasted 2 hours how much do you think was left out? Aubrey ,we are told,was “kindly” edited. OY Vey ist Mir! (You want this German Jewish Catholic to translate? I’d be delighted.)- Oh-that’s right-Dayana-I speak 5 languages. I can swear in a whole bunch more. German is my first language. My husband is Bengali,but he also speaks Hindi and Marathi and Urdu,and I took French rather than coast. Liviving in Cali-I’m learning-Roumanian? Que pasa? People -99%-agree with Clay. Look up You Tube. Yoe are a mean and vengeful spirit. But I will make my next month’s donation to the National Inclusion Project in your “honor.” Enjoy.Such a deal. It was all for the kids. You never got that.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 23, 2012 at 7:45 pm

     *grabs popcorn*