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Friday, June 15, 2012
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Anyway, Jabby says to Brooke “YOU tell your mom that’s what we’re doing.” Then she calls Kelly a momager again. Looks like someone’s been reading Urban Dictionary.
The moms, led by Holly, are in a fabric shop looking for coshtume materials.
Dance Moms 4-evah!
Holly interviews that she thinks Jabby assigned her this task because she thinks she can’t do it. But Holly refuses to fail. That’s the spirit, Holly. Also, it’s notable that the moms are all getting along in this scene which may be a Dance Moms first.
The girls rehearse the group number while Jabby screams at them for being boring and lazy. Again, I don’t know why she doesn’t take that on the road. She could make millions. Meanwhile, the moms are upstairs in the booth working on coshtumes. Kelly is painting the chair, but she is way behind because she forgot about it in all the excitement of helping with coshtumes. She did NOT put the stoppers on it.
I forgot the stoppers, but I’m sure it will be fine.
Well, it’s time to rehearse Paige’s solo and Jabby realizes that the chair has no stoppers. Kelly says she’ll have the stoppers on in time for the competition, but Jabby is not having it. She throws the chair (mature!) causing Kelly up in the booth to give Jabby the finger and say “Fuck you, Abby.”
I mean, who hasn’t wanted to do this to Jabby at one time or another?
Downstairs, Jabby says to Paige, “Doesn’t that embarrass you? That’s how a truck driver talks.” Poor Paige looks distraught.
Jabby dismisses Paige and says there will be no solo. Kelly interviews that Jabby should have come to her and she would have explained that she was working on the costumes – which should be Jabby’s job anyway.
Paige leaves the studio crying and Kelly comes running downstairs spouting profanities. This is the scene from the previews that we’ve seen so many times. Kelly rushes into the studio, saying “we’re done! My kids aren’t doing solos or the group dance. Good luck paying bills without our tuition.”
Christi hugs Paige while Holly shepherds the kids out of the room, thankfully.
Kelly continues screaming that she pays for props and costumes and that she’s been there all day making costumes for Jabby because Jabby was downstairs EATING. Then she yells “Stop eating! That’s why you’re fat!” Jabby: “You were a mean girl when you were 12 and you’re a mean girl now.” Paige is sobbing this whole time that she wants to go home. Kelly scoops her up and they leave, but not before Kelly screams at the front desk person to credit her for the month and to rip up her credit card number.
Kelly interviews that Paige was scared because Jabby is a “400-lb woman who threw a chair with my daughter in the room.”
PHEW, that was exhausting. So I think we can agree that everybody overreacted here, right? I mean, yes, Kelly really did only have one job and how freaking hard is it to paint a chair and get the stoppers? On the other hand, Jabby is a grown woman and should not be THROWING chairs, especially in front of her students. I have been known to throw things when I’m mad, but I don’t have any kids that I am supposed to be a role model for. (Okay, calling Jabby a role model may be stretching it, but still.)
So I think that Kelly was reacting to that, but I also feel like there’s been some underlying tension simmering in everyone in the last two episodes and it only takes one little thing to set people off. I agree with all the commenters who think that there is something going on behind the scenes that we’re not seeing.
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Where to start? I adore nia and big Mac. I wish we got to see more of them. The few duets they’ve sone have been awesome! High-fives all around for chloe to stop second- guessing and just DANCE. She’s better than she gives herself credit for. Maddie’s “music skip”.. I don’t buy it. First, energy requires all entries to be in 4 weeks prior– you can’t enter something last minute like that. Also, the music “skipped” in EXACTLY the same spot she “forgot” the routine in new jersey… Something was definitely not right there.
Maddie was on the bottom of the pyramid?!? So now we got proof the Mayans were right.
For the 1st time in Dance Moms history they left out the scene where at least 1 mom tells the camera she’s uncomfortable with her daughter playing a zombie. Because that’s just taking things too far.
That was when I hightailed it to the store. To get started stocking up on batteries and toilet paper.
Last week I was so disappointed to see Chloe still on this show. And so mad at Christi. Because Chloe’s talented. And needs to be in a regular class.
But what with the end of time being so close and all, I don’t guess it’s all that urgent as I was thinking.
Christi and Kelly have repeatedly said on their Twitters that they can’t leave Abby’s because of a contract. The contract was mentioned on the show in season 1: that if they left before a year is up, they would owner Abby $100,000.
Does Nannie or one of the others in the know about ALDC know more about this supposed contract? It sounds fishy.
I think the contract they refer to is more with Lifetime or Collins Avenue rather than Abby.
Man, I LOVE that main pic for the article. Its like the chair of doom haha
Thank you for the recap! I have not watched this episode and now I don’t have to.
contract with lifetime, goes till S4
Also, apparently Brooke and Paige were on the bus (fans saw them getting off).. dont know what to believe there..
Brooke just twittered about going to compete against CADC.
People saying the CD skipped in the exact same spot that she forgot the dance: We don’t even know the exact spot where she forgot it. They showed her run off stage once right before and once right after the commercial break and both times in that episode the music was at a different place when she ran off. Personally I think the second one was the real one because that time they didnt use the creepy sound effects leading to it like they always do when someone forgets. I dont know if the CD skipping was true or not, whatever, but we cant tell if its the same part of the song due to the creepy build up music
Tiera, thank you for checking that out! I personally didn’t remember, but I think I might have if it’d all been dead on… I have a good ear for music because I studied it up to a college level. Not that I’m anything compared to some of the people I studied with (including many of the more serious students), but pretty good.
So, I was kind of distressed about just not knowing the answer.
I have done longer pieces to counts only. I think it is possible for her to continue as long as she didn’t freak because something went wrong. While the audience might get behind a girl who overcomes something, the judges are different.
Anyway, I found this today. A girl meets Abby Lee and one of her senior dancers Liz. They talk a bit about things that happened in the past with Kendall (nothing mean) as well as what it’s like to have filming at your dance studio. Less conversation with Abby, but she was signing autographs. The girl thought she was nice. This was a planned event, btw.
http://xx-dancemoms-xx.tumblr.com/meetingabby
One thing I find odd is Abby has mentioned judges tapes as though the moms never listen to them. I can understand a bit if the routine falls apart as some have under these accelerated schedules. But, if the dancer completes the dance, those tapes are full of information. Something to do on all of these long bus rides? My parent didn’t listen to any of my tapes, I did. So, this is how I know.
My fiance’s take on chairgate: Abby gave Kelly the simplest job possible besides, “walk through this door.” LOL
About the contracts, it’s Abby’s studio. She talks about it on one of her videos on lifetime when she explains in her own words about the episode. She said she did it because when someone quits any dance studio, they lose all the titles they win the year before or something. She said it’s an embarrassment to her studio and they’d get looked down upon if they lose all those titles like that. That’s why she has that contract for all her title winners (Like Maddie, Chloe, and Brooke. Idk if Paige and Mac won any titles and Holly has said Nia has yet to get one) So they’re discouraged to quit and what not. Just thought I should explain to Escapee and April. So it’s for everyone in Abby’s studio who has won a title.
OMG! Children are crying all over tumblr that Kelly needed more than a day to put the stoppers on the chair. Er, no. It takes a couple of minutes. The only trick is you have to go buy the stoppers at oh… a grocery store, some convenience store (depends), a dollar store, a walmart, a hardware store… basically half the stores in the U.S. have these. Kelly couldn’t do it because she never went to buy them. That is the only reason.
Also, Abby didn’t expect her to sand the chair and repaint it. She expected her to get some kind of quick drying paint (like a paint marker) and touch up the bad spots. Kelly could have done the whole thing at a very leisurely pace in the amount of time she had.
I don’t have a tumblr. Sigh.
That’s a good point. Why couldn’t Kelly just go to a store and get it when she realized she forgot? I doubt they’re that far away from a store so I’m sure she could have just taken the 10 minutes to go get them, come back, and put it on the chair?
Samantha, thanks! So as long as an ALDC dancer (like Chloe) keeps winning national titles, she has to stay at ALDC? Forever?
If I were Christi, I think I’d just have Chloe sit out the “national” competitions for a year. Do other comps instead. And then leave the studio. If I were concerned about Chloe’s “dance reputation” I could give a press release explaining what I was doing. After all, with this show, she’s got a HUGE following, so other dance studios, dance teachers, Broadway agents “know” Chloe’s dancing. Chloe doesn’t need another year of a national title.
But instead Christi signs up Chloe for another couple of seasons on the show. Hmmm. Hard to believe that she’s really focusing on Chloe’s best interests, instead of, say, MONEY. (Ditto for Kelly and Holly.) I just don’t get it.
Melissa seems like such a bully the way she forces Maddie to “be perky” and tells her not to use a face that Melissa hates. How supportive. Just think how much farther Gypsy Rose Lee would have gotten if she’d had Melissa for a mother!
I think Chloe was robbed and that her avant garde number was much better than Maddie’s, as well as being more technically advanced.
I am an eternal Chloe fan, but I have to admit that when Maddie rolled her eyes and left the studio when Melissa came in and started crying I laughed so hard I almost fell off my chair! That girl has some snark and I love it!
Holly’s costumes were fabulous! Smart girls can rock a sewing machine!
Thanks for the recap, it is the best part of the show!
Samantha, or asked someone (not on the show) to bring them if she couldn’t leave. There are senior dancers at ALDC who are old enough to drive. They know Kelly and Paige. If they weren’t going to miss class, I am sure one of them wouldn’t mind helping her with something easy yet important. If all of the older dancers were busy with class, she could try calling some friends or family members (example, Mr. Kelly… if he works in the area could he fit that into his lunch schedule?). She just got Melissa to help her hit the high points… which may be another thing that made Abby mad, she got sharpie all over her hands.
I know Kelly would never want Paige to get hurt or to use an unsafe prop. She only thought of it as, “well, Abby can see I got started on the chair.” But, TO ABBY, it looked like Kelly couldn’t even do the first thing to allow her daughter to practice with the exact prop she’d be using at the comp that was also safe for her to do a full rehearsal (climbing on the chair, jumping off, whatever crazy chairbestill stunts she can manage). I do not think Abby should have thrown the chair. But, Kelly should have gathered up Paige and gone and gotten the stoppers right then.
Holly would never forget Brooke and Paige need costumes, too. Neither would Melissa or Christi. So, they would have pitched in with those if the chair thing took a while for whatever reason. But, bottom line is… Paige can dance in a plain leo if she must. It’s not the cutest, but it won’t harm her. She can’t dance without stoppers on the stupid chair. Why it had to be that chair, I don’t know. But, I was the one who would have needed to fix my own chair and it wouldn’t have mattered what other chairs were sitting around if I didn’t do my assignment. I was a little older than Paige, I was 12 and if I wanted to do stuff.. I didn’t really have much help.
Did anyone else notice that when Maddie won second place that everyone was clapping for her except Christi? That is pretty low. Everyone was happy for Chloe and clapping for her, but she can’t even pretend to be happy for Maddie? How sad. And you can tell it wasn’t just editing because Melissa is yelling Maddie’s name.
Oh, and I just have to say… Abby has to eat lunch, too. Maybe buffet owners tremble at the sight of her or maybe she only eats a reasonable amount (for lunch). But, she must eat something. So, the fact she was eating while Kelly was making costumes (and not putting stoppers on the chair) is kind of irrelevant. In the previews, it kind of sounded like she locked herself in her office with a few cakes. But, lunch? Isn’t the purpose of lunch to eat some food?
Escapee, I guess until they age out or the get rid of that dumb rule. If a kid doesn’t want to dance anymore, you shouldn’t force them with the threat of getting rid of there titles they’re probably really proud of. And I don’t think Christi or Kelly force their kids out of the ALDC because they’re having issues with Abby. The kids obviously love it there even with Abby yelling because a bunch of the time Abby’s yelling at the moms, not the kids (Though she does yell at the kids) People need to remember what they’re seeing is only maybe like 10% of the stuff that actually goes on and that of course the producers are zeroing in on when she’s screaming. The kids said that Abby is really nice and fun most of the time but the show just gets all her freak outs and not when they’re having fun together.
Samantha: I know that is what Abby said on the show about the contracts with her. I think that is bull shit though. I was at a competition dance studio and we never had anything even remotely like that nor would I think something like that would go over well in court.
I also know that Abby wants to kick Chloe out of the studio but because of her contract and Christi’s contract with Lifetime, she is not allowed to kick her out.
The Smoking Gun needs to get copies of these contracts…
Kelly and her daughters were on the bus to Chicago. The producers scripted that part, the cameraman moved them out of range.
Abby Lee Dance Company is a non-profit organization. The dancer’s tutition is based on the family’s ability to pay, not a standard scale. Although the shows makes it sound like the Moms pay a vast fortune for their children to dance, this is untrue.
The contract with the studio does not exceed the costs of instruction, registrations, competitions, props and costuming for the current season. The comment about $100,000 is not correct, no matter how the producers spun that on the show.
The Lifetime contract is different, however if the Moms really wanted to break it, it could be done simply because the kids are all minors.
“I also know that Abby wants to kick Chloe out of the studio but because of her contract and Christi’s contract with Lifetime, she is not allowed to kick her out.”
Also not true, Abby doesn’t want any of the girls or moms out. That is reality spin.
I wish someone would send the ALDC & Lifetime contracts anonymously to the Smoking Gun, so we could read the real things.
Nannie, how do you know Kelly was on the bus?
April, I know not every dance school has the contract, just ALDC. Only the thing about the titles is for everyone according to Abby. But I feel $100,000 is pushing it. Who can afford that? But I wonder what’s in the lifetime contract
Oh yeah……http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FIm89W18Jw
Here Abby admits she tried to expel Christi and was told “no” by Lifetime and they can’t quit either because of a Lifetime contract.
April, of course if they want to do repeated stories about moms wanting to quit then having Abby explain they can’t and she can’t expell them would cover all of the bases. Because the show kind of pushes things… if IRL was like this show most would want them out and she’d want them gone. I wish the show hadn’t gone so far with that…
That is what I was trying to tell Samantha that argued the contract is the Abby created contract. I am sure they are under a contract. Just not one that Abby made up that sounds stupid and unenforceable as hell. They are under a tv show contract which is enforceable and probably rock solid.
If Kelly got there when the others did, that would explain why she pulled the solos. But, IDK… I feel that it has to be more than that. IDK what, but the whole thing seemed off.
However, one week has Maddie sick and only doing the group dance. Then, Chloe has to go to the doctor. Then, we see Kelly taking Paige home and pulling the solos. Maybe some of the kids just got sick? They are all friends, but Chloe and Paige are particularly close. This would explain why Kelly was crying, she felt bad for them missing something and not feeling well.
April, I know.
Your post just made me think, that’s all.
All this talk of contracts is just a way to make it seem that the moms aren’t only there because they want to be on tv. After Season One they all knew what they were in for when they re-upped. And the famed Abby Lee contract doesn’t add up. Who would sign such a thing unless Abby Lee Dance Company was proven to be a direct path to stardom? If there is a $100K contract and all these moms have signed it then they have no business questioning Abby’s judgment about anything concerning dance — but they all question everything she does! And what would that mean about Kendall and her apparently murky status? If it’s true that Kendall is really an Abby Lee dancer, does anyone besides me suspect that there isn’t really such thing as a Candy Apple’s studio? That all those girls, and boy, really dance for other studios?
I mean that is a good theory about them all being sick. From what it looked Paige and Brooke looked okay and so did Chloe, but you never know. Maddie actually looked sick when she was. You could tell.
If I was sick I could not dance a group dance either though. I would just be doing nothing if I was that sick.
Look at the bus scene again, that will clear it all up! LOL!
I find Nannie’s posts to be extremely frustrating.
As far as I know there is a Candy Apples Studio. I just don’t think Kendall dances there but for the show.
I think you mean Candy Apple’s right?
Candy Apples is most definitely a real studio. They have some very technically good dancers, too.
Candy Apple’s is a real studio. They have a website and are at several competitions as well. Kendall only dances there for the show though. Anyone know where Kendall dances normally?
I remember Abby saying something about Studio 6 or something like that…..was where Kendall used to dance.
Studio 19
I think it was planned for them to miss their solos..or they did them and then it was edited to look like they didn’t. Neither kid looked especially heartbroken because they weren’t out performing…also why were they sitting in the dressing room rather than out supporting their teammates that were dancing?
Melissa actually bumped Bitchette out of 2nd worst mom ever (Jamie Sterling will forever hold 1st place) by throwing Chloe under the bus. Bitchette played the moms against each other and the coaches but I don’t recall her ever using another kid to get Lucas on top. The woman has lost a screw. I think Abby has made enough off this show that she no longer needs Melissa’s sugar daddy money and has removed her head from Melissa’s butt. I know at one time ALDC was in a bad financial place but I can guarantee kids are probably lining up at the door now that it is on television. Also Maddie is not that good…she was last year but there has been no progression in skill. Meanwhile Chloe has grown leaps and bounds.
Speaking of Chloe…her choreography was very VicAng this week with no ugly foot.
I thought the same thing Liz about Chloe’s choreography!
@April, a commenter on here (I thought it was you!) said Kendall dances for Abby Lee IRL. @Liz, Kelly said (at least) that Brooke and Paige were in the audience “cheering your daughters on” to Christi, Melissa, and Holly. @gun kata, if Kelly were crying because Paige and Brooke were sick, I don’t know why Abby would say that about “You should have fixed that damn chair!” If their solos were pulled, I think it had to be because they didn’t think they would do a good job on them. But if they were on the bus, does that mean that none of this was real at all? Are we tools for even discussing it?
I wanted to add…
It appears that Kelly and Abby are not that far apart in age and she made the comment about being a “mean girl at 12″…me beginning to thinkst there is a lot of history between those two in regards to that studio. I’m wondering how long they have been friends..if it’s since they were kids it would explain the way they fight like siblings would, i.e. my 10 year old has no problem going after her 8 year old sister but would never do that to one of her friends.
Maryedith, it was me who said Kendall dances for ALDC IRL.
And the sick thing was just a little theory. I like theories, but I think I was wrong about that one.
Here is a photo of Melissa hugging Paige:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5h492k8rz1ro7f6bo1_500.jpg
Forgive me! I knew it was someone I completely and utterly trusted!
I rewatched the bus scene and you do see like a quarter shot of someone for a split second that looks like it could be Kelly. It certainly doesn’t look like any of the other moms or Gia. If all that stuff about her being late was fake then there was a lot scripted in that episode. Makes me wonder if the producers made Kelly pull the solos so that they could make more drama for the show. I mean, Kendall leaving was all fake so it wouldn’t be surprising.
Although, the moms were also wearing different outfits on the bus and at the competition, so maybe they rode the bus to Chicago, stayed at a hotel, and went to the competition the next day. And then Kelly actually was late, but it was because she left the hotel late not because she didn’t ride the bus.
Well, she gave quite a little speech about how she wanted to avoid the drama on the bus. And Abby talked about what a relief it was not to have Kelly on the bus. Why go to the trouble to make that up if they weren’t scripting a story about Kelly being late? I don’t quite get why they pretended she wasn’t on the bus, though. Abby would have been supposedly neglecting Brooke and Paige all that week anyway, and that was the ostensible reason for Kelly pulling their solos. I did kind of wonder why there was zero reaction from Christi about Kelly’s whole situation. All Christi said was that she hoped Kelly wouldn’t continue the fight by pulling the girls from the group number. Christi generally has way more to contribute than that! So I guess it was because she and Kelly (and Holly and Abby) were probably yukking it up the whole way there, having a blast. Because, if there was drama on that bus we would have seen it.
Maryedith, teehee
well, I will admit if I am guessing. 
but, I have seen recent competition results with Kendall competing with the PGH girls. Speaking of which, on the moms’ page where they are selling stuff, they have a photo bundle that includes Chloe, Brooke, Paige, Nia, Maddie, Mackenzie and Kendall (link: http://pghdancefans.com/). This was the least product for sale picture I could find.
I just discovered a fun fact: Paige’s middle name is Mackenzie. Another fun fact: Kendall’s middle name is just the letter K.
Sometimes with this show I alternate between it’s all real or it’s all fake.
I think Kendall does dance with Abby Lee currently when not filming. She danced at Studio 19 before she came to Abby Lee is the way I understand it.
I think Maddie’s middle name is Kay or K too. I think I remember Melissa saying something like “Maddie Kay” .
I am going to have to go and rewatch the bus scene now to see if I see her or whatever. LOL!
I based my assumption that the cd skips in the same spot she blanket and ran off not by the music, but where she was in the choreography– though I will admit that since she seems to do essentially the same elements several times, it could be editing.
Speaking of which, I thought the zombie dance looked and sounded almost exactly like the dance they did where they were all supposed to be little rich bitches. It was called “Superstar” or something, and Chloe was the featured dancer in it. Because I’m not at all au fait with this kind of dance I figured that if I noticed that it must have been pretty obvious to the ex dancers here. Or, I could have been totally off.
Christi: “I haven’t had a chance to talk to Kelly. I don’t know what’s going on inside her head.” Kelly: “I haven’t seen Abby since she threw the chair.” This isn’t just the producers cutting things out, or editing. This is everyone on the show lying about what’s going on. I have to say I watched the bus scene three times just now and did not see anyone who looked remotely like Kelly, Brooke or Paige. There was someone with Maddie in the back who could maybe have been Brooke. And before someone says, “It’s a tv show; get over it!” — for me, there’s a difference between the kind of jimmying with reality that people can speculate about and wholesale making shit up that holds no interest for me. If Kelly was on that bus then these mothers are pretty despicable people.
Well, Kelly actually said that she hadn’t “talked” to Abby since the argument, not seen. But she also said she didn’t ride the bus, so…
I took a screen shot of what may be Kelly on the bus, cut off on the right.
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/1588/97932911.png
The bus: Kelly (or not) is wearing a different outfit than Kelly wore at the competition. So are Abby and Christi. What if this bus ride from another day?
@maryedith It’s hard enough to try to separate out what’s reality and what’s producer jimmying with stuff going on outside the windows in real life. Let alone anything on the TV, what with all the news and reality etc shows we’ve got now.
Lots of things have gotten reformulated over time. With reality we’re probably just noticing it more than stuff like Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Some of this show’s cast seem as good at saying their lines as the people on The Hills.
@Liz, Kelly has been going to ALDC since she was like 2 or something. She quit when she was a teenager to do cheerleading and regretted it which is why she pushes Brooke to do it. Chances are, Abby and Kelly probably crossed paths in Kelly’s years there as a dancer since Abby’s mom worked there, so they have known each other for a very long time, so maybe Kelly thinks she can say that stuff to Abby because of their history.
But I feel like Kelly and Christi and all them yell at Abby so much because Abby can’t do anything about it. She can’t kick them out due to Lifetime. But this goes both ways because Abby can yell at the moms and maybe the kids, and they can’t quit or leave, also due to lifetime. I know the second part is true because Abby admitted it, but the first one’s just a theory.
And just wondering, are National Dance Competitions more then one day? I know cheerleading is 2 days, and often in my experience, the two sometimes share competitions. It would explain why it seems the moms change clothes often
Ok, I know this is harping on the subject for too long, but I suddenly remember thinking even the first time I watched this episode (Oh! That innocent time!) that when Kelly first walked into the backstage room with Brooke and Paige and said “We are DANCING!” that that was an odd way to greet everyone. I assumed it was supposed to mean “Here we all are and we’re getting ready to dance!” but if so it was awkwardly put. Now I think that entry had nothing to do with her just seeing everyone for the first time and “We are DANCING!” meant something specific pertaining to Brooke and Paige.
When Abby was 14 she presumably started her own dance company at her mom’s studio. Kelly was one of her first students. I’m guessing that Kelly was probably around 10 or 11 and Abby was 14. I know she started her company with girls around that age- a few years younger than herself (Abby). Also, Kelly was dancing with Abby’s mom since she was around 3 years old, so Kelly and Abby must have known eachother since Kelly was a tot, and Abby a little girl herself- though older than Kelly. Maybe they had like a big sister/little sister relationship.. I don’t know, but I do know that Kelly was first Abby’s mother’s student, then when Abby started her own company Kelly was one of Abby’s first company members.. So, yeah, they have a long history.
Hey @Wednesday, great snapping! Thanks to you I went through with the slo mo and that has to be Kelly. There are so many editing changes in just a few seconds of footage! They make it look as if you’re watching Abby say a couple of sentences to the bus driver, but during one of those sentences both Abby and Christi move to different seats and Kelly appears beside Christi, in front of Christi, and then disappears altogether. Who knows how many minutes or hours actually went by? It is a wiser and less trustful maryedith who will be hitting the sheets tonight, I can tell you that.
@gun kata– I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps this part of the scene is from another day. Maybe they just wanted to get some footage of Abby yelling at the bus driver, but it was a totally different bus ride..? I don’t know. It seems pretty ridiculous to make up her not going on the bus..
I find it odd that Maddie’s CD skipped and then just so happened to pick right back up where it would have been at the very end… More realistically, she would have finished the dance before it stopped skipping; or, when it stopped skipping, she would have been still dancing but off from the music. Hmm – can’t wait until next week!
I have heard from young fans who stalk the competitions that Aldc goes to that Kelli was definitely on that bus, or at least Brooke and Paige were. So based on that and the “phantom Kelli sightings”, I have to assume they were, and that “bus-gate” was made up, for the purpose of drama for the show. Nationals, (and I d
Hit “send” too early. Sorry. I don’t think this was a national,, but most of these competitions tend to be 2 days, at least. Solos 1 day, groups the next.
did anyone notice that at the begining of this episode when Abbey was telling the girls they were lazy etc….she said they were “Petered Out”. Well, where I come from “Petered Out” means your acting as lazy as a penis after it has been having sex all day, it no longer has any get up and go to it.
Thanks to crapass roads in Chattanooga, one of my favorite CDs skips. It doesn’t pick up at the next part. It skips a section of the song. I haven’t checked the actual run time, but it doesn’t add that much time to the song… in fact, the song seems shorter. (I don’t live in Chattanooga. They may have fixed their crappy interstate where you come off a bridge and drop three feet. It is seriously more of a pita than Nashville… which is much bigger, but has better roads. Anyway, Ima go cry about my favorite CDs some more.)
Rebecca, I have never heard that… (shudders) where are you from?
Btw, the music we hear on TV is often different than what is playing when they are dancing. We need someone who recorded her competition dance.
Btw, Maddie’s middle name is Nicole.
I assumed from the way the crowd was applauding that the skip went on for some time and that Maddie had performed the dance either in silence or totally out of synch with the song — so much of the dance was cut that it was impossible to tell where the music actually picked up. She could have been doing that end pose for a while and we just saw the last second where the song ended too?
If you slo mo Random Clapping White-Bearded Guy it is even more hilarious. Btw.
I looked around for Maddie’s “in my heart” dance, but I only found the show which cuts away to an interview with Abby taken at a different time and location, so I don’t think we can go by the show.
I have been looking at other forums where people are calling Melissa every kind of thing for talking to Abby about 1. The other moms, o.k. … Christi and Kelly and 2. Chloe rolling her eyes. I will say she shouldn’t have said anything about Chloe. Whatever Chloe does or does not do, Abby knows (I don’t think she does anything bad anyway and despite what Christi thinks, I believe, Abby knows Chloe is a good girl) and it’s really none of Melissa’s business UNLESS it is something that could cause Chloe to get hurt (nothing she said qualifies as that).
BUT, Melissa can say whatever the fuck she wants about Christi and Kelly. They have ragged on her for two seasons. They (well, mostly, Christi, so maybe she can go easy on Kelly) have called her “sneaky”, “conniving”, accused her of “kissing Abby’s butt” (which may be true, or she may simply have worked for Abby and wanted to be friendly”), Christi has called her crazy. The only thing Holly ever said was when they got the lawyer letter and what she said wasn’t mean, so if Melissa goes off on Holly THEN I will call her a bitch (and I am not necessarily in the Holly fan club, but she seems pretty o.k. to me).
And btw, with Chloe being the top of the pyramid and getting two solos (which were good), a trio, featured in a group dance… Christi was on twitter yelling about Abby “sabotaging” Chloe. This can only refer to Maddie also doing her solo. All right, have I been watching another show? Because Chloe can beat Maddie. She has beaten Maddie. First season, Maddie was better than Chloe. Second season, Chloe caught up to her. NOW, it could go either way. And hello, a girl from a different studio won first place. Apparently, she did an amazing job, so she won. Or, I guess she did… I didn’t see it.
Please have faith in Chloe, Christi. I know you think you do, but you are afraid of her losing. Losing is just part of competition… she knows this. She can handle it because you support her. But, she can dance against anyone. She’s really good and she looks beautiful. And she and Maddie learn from each other. Watch DMM and see instances where this happened, Hannah learned just by dancing in duets with Jessi and Sammy. J&S probably learned something from her, too… but, they are more advanced, so it’ll be subtle.
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Maryedith, that is kind of what I thought. It was enough where the audience was willing her to go on and they were proud of her. If it’d just been a little skip, then I think they wouldn’t have noticed so much.
Also, the guy playing the music probably just paid close attention to Maddie’s dancing (if the music was playing) and when she stopped dancing, he turned her music off. If Paige and Kendall can handle turning music off and on repeatedly during trio practice, surely a grown man can manage turning a little girl’s music off after she stops dancing.
I wonder what the “extra day of practice” was that Kelly said Brooke and Paige didn’t get? At first I thought she meant the practice Paige missed because of Chairapocalypse but Brooke didn’t miss anything because of that.
@gun kata, I hear you about Christi. I can’t help but think that she’s just following the producers’ script, though. Making it seem that she believes what she’s seeing on tv.
Maryedith, you may be right. I hope all of them are just following some crazy ideas the producers had and they actually are all good friends IRL. Everyone needs friends.
THE FOOT!
I just read on another forum that two YEARS ago Mr. Hyland ran over Brooke’s foot with a golf cart! So, that really doesn’t sound like it has one single thing to do with Paige’s back tuck. And it sounds like Brooke was probably more scared than hurt… I mean, she needed medical attention, but her foot may not have been broken.
Link to post:
http://forums.dancemom.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1273963498&postcount=97
Ok. If that’s what that outburst was about then there was definitely a lenghy piece of back-and-forth between Jabby and Kelly that got cut out. I mean, it was obvious that something got cut, but it must have been a ton of stuff. I was watching Holly and Christi’s faces during the bits of the fight that we could see and I noticed that they both looked very neutral. Neither of them looked like she was particularly on Kelly’s side. I kept expecting Christi to put her hand on Kelly’s arm, especially when Abby yelled that about Brooke and Paige being lazy and only wanting to win, but she just kept looking down. So I wonder what on earth all got said; it must have been pretty bad on Kelly’s side.
You know, I actually went OUT last night. Like, for DRINKS and stuff. And I came back in and went right back to reading and commenting. Pretty engaging stuff!
Ha @gun kata — “I think with a golf cart.” I love that. “But it may have been an eighteen-wheeler, come to think of it.”
Maryedith, when Kelly left after Chairapocalypse she took both Paige and Brooke with her, so presumably they both missed that day of practice. It looks like Paige was rehearsing her solo right after practicing the group, so Brooke probably didn’t get a chance to rehearse hers that day.
Ah. Ok. I didn’t see Brooke leaving too. Thanks!
I am rewatching the episode now. When Paige finishes group rehearsal, she goes to the mom loft to get her poor little chair. Kelly hands the chair to Paige and says, “It’s all done.” She said this to Paige. Like the only person on earth who would believe her.
So, little Paige trots innocently into the dance studio with the notalldone chair. Abby immediately asks her “you didn’t take it home last night?” (Because she could see Kelly and Melissa frantically markering it in the loft). So, then Paige sits on the chair and Abby wiggles it. Paige gets up and Abby flips it over and says, “I wanted rubber stoppers on here.” So, Kelly says the part about, oh, it’ll be ready for the competition (and I do have to wonder WTF Paige was supposed to use til then, I didn’t see any other chairs in the room with her). Abby says, “I wanted it for today!” Then chairageddon does ensue.
Oh, but we break away to an interview with Kelly where she opines that Abby should have left the studio, gone into the mom loft, and asked why the chair wasn’t ready. So, at that time, Kelly would have deigned to tell her that she’d been working on the costumes (e.g., Holly’s job). Well, Kelly, you could have walked into the studio with Paige and told Abby the truth which is, btw, “I forgot to go buy the stoppers.” But, nope, you told Paige her chair was done and sent her in to practice.
Oh, oh, oh… so Paige trots out of the room with her pitiful little chair. Holly tells Kelly, “go get Paige.” So, down the stairs Kelly goes and a door beside her opens and PAIGE comes out of it. Well, Kelly just sweeps right by her and proceeds through the studio door to shout ab Abby and scream about her girls quitting dance and Abby’s state of fatness. Hello? Paigey? Why not stop for Paigey? Checking on her, imo, is more important than shouting at Abby.
Don’t forget to slo mo Crazy Clapping Beardy when you get there, gun kata!
So, Paigey went up crying to Christi. But, who made her cry? My fiance says KELLY made her cry. He doesn’t mean Kelly did it intentionally. Just that Kelly going by her and shouting at Abby was too much for Paige.
We both think Abby could have handled it better, but Kelly is more important to Paige than Abby.
Gun kata, yeah, it really does look like Kelly set Paige up to get yelled at. She’s known Abby for decades, she HAS to know Abby will notice the chair isn’t done and will overreact and punish her kid. I really don’t get why she let it get to that point when anyone could have predicted the results. It’s almost like she wanted to have a reason to go off on Abby or something.
We know Maddie HAD to have been entered prior to that day. She still could’ve chosen to scratch, but she could not have entered right before she danced. I do think she really was afraid to dance.
Maybe Brooke and Paige were a planned scratch because they honestly had not practiced enough and they had difficult routines? And it just played out as a last minute scratch for TV purposes. Like so many arguments on this show Abby vs. Kelly may have been about something else entirely.
About the golf cart, my foots been run over by a golf cart and though it hurt for a few days, nothing was wrong with it besides being bruised. But I’m 17 and she was 11 at the time so it probably broke her foot since she was much younger then me. When Abby whipped out that comment though, i was like WTF did that come from????? So I think there was more build up then what they showed
Especially since she was working on it in full sight of Abby to begin with. Which, btw, means that Abby was being pretty disingenuous about getting black stuff on her hands as if she hadn’t seen them furiously markering the chair. Hmm. Honestly the whole thing with the chair is looking more and more scripted to me. Paige was just an extra in that scene, poor thing. No wonder she just wanted to go home. It’s a pity there was no interview with Paige or Brooke about not doing their solos. Which, come to think of it, is pretty damn suspicious.
It looks like the skip was in a different part of the choreography than the run off/nervous breakdown. Also, the music stopped kind of randomly. Dude just turned it off when she was finished.
Samantha, Hmmm… if she broke her foot, that would explain why so much neck dancing.
Maryedith, they were. But, they were working on the legs. So, even if she’d taken it home… it might need touching up. Also, Kelly (if she’d bought stoppers) could easily have applied those at the studio. So, I think perhaps Abby was surprised all of the chair was markered and that there were no stoppers. Kelly probably would’ve been able to slide on painting more than the stoppers. So, I don’t know if that was planned.
Ok, ok, gun kata. I’ll reign in the cynical speculation!
Look at how we’ve gone from discussing footgate as a misedited reference to something happening later in the season to Paige, to a minor golf cart incident that occurred before the show started — to Brooke!
I am from North Carolina.
Rebecca, wow! I was hoping not America. I am scared to use any expressions any more! My parents used to have a real problem with… slang, I guess. I am starting to see why!
The expression “peter out” dates from 1836 and is a N American term meaning to trickle out in a diminishing way or to decrease in energy. Its origin is unknown, but it predates the use of “peter” in a phallic sense by about 70 years. It could come from saltpetre (it was originally used in mining circles) or the French word “peter” meaning “fart” but commonly used to mean “fizzle.” You are safe using this term, at least. NC people must have dirty minds!
I never heard that expression used that way, but I guess there are a lot of expressions that are used hat we don’t know where they originated from, or how they have changed..
Wow Maryedith, you know a lot. I know who I’ll ask for info in the future. LOL! I never give much thought to a lot of expressions, but I guess I should.. maryedith- are you a teacher or professor by chance? Just curious..
I just looked up the petered out thing, too! I got mining as well. A mine has dwindled to nothing (“petered out”) when you can’t even blast to get more ore.
http://home.netcom.com/~mrlucky/peter_out.html
However, urban dictionary gives the same thing Rebecca did. So, more recent slang has changed it or whatever.
Kendall has never jumped from Abby’s to CADC, that is just the show. She competes with the ALDC when not filming.
Kelly was on the bus, but you have to remember that they took a flight from Pittsburg, and boardeda bus at Chicago-Ohare. It is so funny how we are lead to believe that the cast rode a darn bus, yet still arrived in time for a competition that began in the morning. No way did they ride a bus 740 miles one way. It’s not a ride across the bridge.
The more the producers cut and paste, the less real you see. Wait for next week, it will be worse than this last episode.
I have lived in the same town for 46 years.
I have been to mexico and Jamaica though
@Nannie– I’m wondering how you KNOW this? Didn’t you also say that the scene of Abby talking abot Paige’s foot was about the recent incident of her breaking her foot after a dance, but you said she didn’t and it was the same thing as Abby said about her dad running over her foot? I’m just confused, and curious, as to how you “know” all of this.. As for the foot thing, it’s pretty much well-documented by the moms that she broke her foot after (or at the end of) a dance, so obviously you were wrong about that being the same thing as when her father ran over her foot.. Right? I’m not trying to be mean at all, but just wondering why you write this stuff that you say is factual, when we know by now that some of it is not. Do you have some kind of “inside” source that is telling you this? If so, you may want to double check on that person because they are obviously wrong about some of the information she/he has given you..
Rebecca, the mining slang is from the 19th century. Maybe the way they use it where you live has only more recently started creeping across the country? I don’t know for sure, really…
In the 70′s is when I first heard the term “petered out”, and I was around 7 years old.
Hey — I am actually an English Instructor, but that doesn’t mean much as you all must know. I’ve never heard the phrase used as Rebecca quoted Abby saying it. I’ve always heard it as an active verb: “I petered out,” or “The creek petered out,” etc. Not “You are petered out.” So I looked it up. If Abby did say that then she may have been using it in the NC sense, and she should wash her mouth out!
Speaking of the seventies, I am still surprised at the perfectly ok use of “suck.” We were NOT allowed to say that in the eighties. But I bet there’s an older derivation of that phrase that has to do with sucking mud or something. I will go look that up now. But I won’t bore you with my findings.
Uh…no. No older derivation whatsoever. FYI.
Maryedith, the original was “the mine has petered out.” “Petered out” was until earlier today “dwindled to nothing.”
I like in Nashville for over a decade. I’m from the south. I haven’t been to North Carolina, but… I think it took the interwebz to get it out of state.
I checked with my fiance (from Georgia) his definition, “running out of steam.” He hadn’t heard the NC version either.
At any rate, I am never using it again. I don’t know if Abby had any idea what the phrase could mean to some people. Since the “dwindling” definitions fits what Abby said rather than “exhausted from sex”, I think she has no idea.
@ gun kata I’m from south too (Alabama). And my definition of “petered out” is the same as your fiance. Although I really haven’t heard it used very often. Most people I know just say “ran out of steam.”
I have checked several definitions of “petered out”. Here’s another page:
http://www.answers.com/topic/peter-out
Only about 12 people on UD believe it has anything to do with sex. There is an even more recent and less popular UD definition that has to do with that awful show The Family Guy. (Sorry, I hate it.)
So, it is a local thing in NC. Thank God. I mean, Jabby is nutso… but not THAT nutso.
I wonder if it’s mountain slang or coastal slang…
The ran out of steam thing kind of relates to a fuse (again the saltpeter association) fizzling, from what I understand.
There is an even older British version that may go back to St. Peter’s faith failing him momentarily.
And then, there is a between the centuries we’re talking about here British association which may have something to do with cash registers and failing to lift the money out of them. Well, not cash registers… whatever people kept their money in before those were invented. AND THEN there is the world of Cockney rhyming slang, but I don’t think Pittsburgh is going so hardcore with the British associations. It’s probably “dwindling to nothing” or “running out of steam” (probably the latter) since it fits what she said.
Oh, running out of steam probably has to do with trains… steam engines of some sort, too. That is what I thought until I started looking. And my father would know this answer, but I can’t ask him.
@Nannie- it’s not 740 miles one-way to Chicago from Pittsburgh, it’s only about 450. And it can be driven in under 8 hours. I assumed that they left the day before the competition because you’re right, there is no way they could have made a morning competition on the same day. Since everyone is wearing different clothes during the bus ride and competition, it’s almost certainly not the same day. It doesn’t mean they didn’t drive though. They’ve driven out to NY and NJ and those are NOT short trips either. From Pittsburgh to NYC is at least a 6.5 hour drive.
I live about 30 mins north of Pittsburgh (actually only a few minutes down the road from Studio 19 that Kendell attended) and I’ve noticed that a LOT of times, the weather and outside shots of them getting on the bus do not match up. The MOST obvious example of this is in the first episode from last Fall. It was supposed to take place at the end of October and yet they showed snow. And the ONLY day that it snowed here that early was the Halloween snow storm which was on a Sunday, not the Saturday morning they were supposedly leaving on. Yet, voila, snow!
@Dani, I completely agree. The broken foot and the run over foot are 2 completely separate instances. I think Kelly probably said something about Abby not caring about her kids and Abby shot back with the run over foot to show that she cares about these kids even OUTside the classroom.
And the first two episodes were shot in sequential order so this argument is not cut and pasted from different weeks. If you look at the Nexstar website, their Upland, CA competition took place April 13-15 and if you look at the Energy Dance Comp’s website, the Chicago, IL competition took place on April 21-22.
It’s hard to tell where, precicely, in the choreography the issues (real or not) happened with Maddie because she tends ro repeat her strongest elements over and over. The “blank out on stage” thing I am sure was real. Maddie has some acting skills, but her response was so visceral, I can’t imagine that was scripted. I am unconvinced about the “cd skip”. But whatever the truth was with that doesn’t take away from the fact that Maddie is a talented dancer with a world of possibilities in front of her, as long as Abby and her mother don’t burn her out first. Sooooo much angst in that child. Even dmm’s Kimmy (a self-proclaimed perfectionist) doesn’t freak out like that after a mistake. I do know that at some point in recent history, abby was advertising for auditions for new dancers specifically for the show. So I wonder how many of these kid’s were Aldc dancers who got cast for the show, and how many were dancers who got cast, and became Aldc. That, too, might explain some of the dynamic. There are certain scenes with every girl (when brooke’s shoulder was hurt, when nia won with her Bollywood dance, etc) where you can see that she genuinely cares about each of the girls. I wish we saw more of that. As much as I hated dmm, that was one thing I loved about it– you could totally tell, always, that victang loved those kids, even if they thought the moms were insane.
Here is a recent picture of Chloe and Paige. In the photo, you can see Paige has a cast. I don’t know when this will be on the show, but Paige does compete with her solo before then because I have seen her on competition results. Unfortunately, I didn’t know she would get hurt later, so I don’t remember when/where exactly (although I think I did post about them in DMM comments). But, we will get to see her dance before she gets hurt, I think.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aHLMJtz5rZs/T9JE_XDfhhI/AAAAAAAAA0Y/-Ifu9ERlUWY/w497-h373/1339175531000401.jpg
I used and heard the phrase ‘I’m all petered out’, it was never used to refer to anything sexual. I always thought it just meant tired/no more energy. But, I have also never heard in person someone referring to male genitalia as a ‘peter’(I’ve only read it in books).
Here are some other pictures of Paigey and her cady. One has Kendall in it.
http://distilleryimage2.s3.amazonaws.com/3aaa69bcb01111e180c9123138016265_7.jpg
Phones. Cady was meant to be cast.
I’m heard “petered out” to be like tired or “tuckered out”. When it comes right down to it, there is probably someone in this world that spends copious amounts of free time in his mother’s basement and provides dirty connotations to perfectly innocent expressions. That’s just the way it is. And they ruin a crapton of great expressions in the process.
@maryedith – I wasn’t allowed to say “suck” or “knock it off”. They never told me why – I completely understand “suck” (though I use it constantly now), but I’m still a bit puzzled about “knock it off”. I’m not that creative and there’s probably some horrid meaning to it and I’m too dense to know.
Pageant Grandma, for one thing it just seem farther along in her choreography. While I do believe her reaction in New Jersey was real, the Chicago scene could have been reshot. I have heard they have them do the dances over sometimes so that what we see on TV is not the same dance the judges saw. Or even if we saw exactly what happened, they might have overdubbed the music for whatever reason. Sometimes it’s not even the same song. Which all of this can make the show a little frustrating. Haha
I agree about Maddie’s stress level. She puts too much pressure on herself. Her grandmother, with whom she was close, died when she was seven or eight. Her parents get divorced. Then she starts this TV show with its hectic schedule while her mother gets into a new relationship. And that causes her mother to stop working at ALDC … and Maddie really liked hanging around there, I think. So, she now really only sees Abby and her dance teachers during rehearsals and classes. Plus, the girls have a tutor now so they have to be each others’ friends…. and fortunately, they are. Melissa, meanwhile, has a lot to worry about besides Maddie… for one thing, little Mackenzie. I think getting second place or, more likely just completing her dance properly, relieved a lot of her stress.
Btw, on my rewatch after the group routine I noticed Melissa gave Kelly a hug. Maybe to thank her or congratulate her for letting Brooke and Paige dance with the other girls?
That hug looked enthusiastic and sincere on both sides, didn’t it?
I’m from Georgia, gun kata — say hi to your Intended for me!
I was a competitive dancer until I was 18 (when my knees gave out– and for those who don’t know, my granddaughter is technically a “step”, so I am not nearly as old as my handle would imply– just turned 38). I taught dance for a number of years after that. The single hardest thing for me was watching good dancers, with honest god-given talent, get pressured until they either gave up, or lost their “fire”. They could have been great, but someone stole their enjoyment, and they just fizzled. I see that as a real potential for Maddie, and that makes me very sad.
“I find Nannie’s posts to be extremely frustrating.”
Ditto.
I gave her the side-eye in the mini-cap because I think ‘Nannie’ is one of the Dance Moms’.
Maryedith, he says hello.
We watched a couple of episodes from the first season. It’s the two episodes where Melissa flits off on two separate trips with her “honey.” In the first one of these, Melissa is not present for the pyramid. Abby has a few things to say to Maddie about that in front of everyone. So, she gets pissy (or the producers do) about anyone’s mother missing. The second episode, Melissa is back just in time to say she and her “honey” are going to Florida because she “needs to get away” (from her previous vacation?)
So, Kurt rolls up in Lake Tahoe causing Melissa to declare he’s checking up on her (more like the producers called him and told him to haul ass out there since they needed a parent on scene) and him to ask “Missy” why she didn’t tell him about this. And she says, while not looking at him, “I did. You don’t listen.” Although, the “Kurt is the heavy” moment is kind of ruined by Paige bouncing in and out of the shot as she’s playing a game and them both stopping to clap for her (hehe).
In those episodes, first Kelly hires a choreographer to teach Paige a solo. Instead of leaving him to work with Paige, she gives him a speech about how Abby isn’t treating her girls right (which he doesn’t need to know and it only upsets Paige). So, Paige winds up crying in the bathroom because she’s so afraid of upsetting Kelly or her mother or both. I did see the choreographer asked about this and he said Paige is a very good dancer. Long story short, the solos Kelly tried to get taught to Paige (who only learned 30 seconds) and Brooke (we didn’t see how hers went) had to be pulled. There was much weeping on Kelly’s part.
So, Kelly decides to take a different tactic and points out that Gianna and Maddie have “a special relationship”. She says she wants that for her daughter. Abby asks her what she got Gianna for Christmas and Kelly yells that she doesn’t have to get Gianna a present because, “she’s a fucking teacher.” (With Gianna sitting two feet from her.) Abby tells her to not talk that way in front the girls who are all intently listening.
Next pyramid, Paige is dead last. Abby is going over judges’ comments. When she gets to Paige and Brooke, Kelly is now onto the new tactic that they are mediocre but she loves them. Abby points out that Paige just won a crown (e.g., Abby’s favorite thing). Kelly yells Abby can not only have it, she can shove it up her ass. So, Kelly is dismissed.
Then, Kelly is surprised there is a guest choreographer working with Paige and Brooke. Even though she bitched about Abby and Gianna, she’s mad they are working with Abby. So, she is yelling about that until Abby calls her into Maddie’s practice where she screams and yells that this guy (the guest choreographer who cannot even get started with P&B for Kelly’s endless complaining) doesn’t know her daughters and Maddie will win and they won’t. Maddie is right there as are P&B. Abby says she and Gianna will work with P&B if Kelly wants, after they finish Maddie’s rehearsal. This is unacceptable! Kelly yells some more about unfairness and pulls her kids out of rehearsal so they can all go to the pool. When Abby is ready, Kelly and her girls are long gone. They did learn a routine from someone whether the guest choreographer taught it or whether he was just trying to have them practice… Kelly dramatically leaving made it impossible to practice. So, they came in 5th. It was the Ohlala number.
I know all of this is old news, but Kelly keeps doing the same types of things over and over. We even see where the hot pink chair comes from. Paige has a chair dance and she complains because if it was Maddie or Chloe, their chair would be hot pink blah blah blah. She is laughing about it in this episode, but it was her complaint and she showed she wouldn’t even put stoppers on a chair whereas maybe the other girls’ moms make sure their daughters have pretty things. Another old episode we saw had coshtume issues, but in the same episode Christi went and got Chloe’s costume a day or so early whereas Kelly got Paige’s a few minutes before she… had her solo pulled. And that was in Vegas… I wondered why she just didn’t go costume shopping beforehand given there are probably no shortage of places to buy such things. But, she hung out with the other moms… some of which was probably not her choice, but still… Kelly keeps doing the same stuff. And Paige seems to get very upset trying to make both her mother and her dance teacher happy. And she keeps having to, end up choosing one over the other… she picks Kelly, of course. But, that almost always means she doesn’t get to dance.
Sorry so long…
Ugh, errors galore! I am sorry.
Kelly or her mother/mother should be teacher. Later on, work with Abby/should be Maddie. Sorry.. stuff started happening!
Aw, gun kata your post made me sad for two reasons. First, it reminded me of how much more I liked this show before TV Jill entered the studio. Second, it reminded me that I can’t remember the last time I saw Brooke or Paige do a solo. This show has not done much for their dance careers.
I find it hard to believe there was not a chair in the studio (they frequently use them as props) that was outfitted with stoppers which Paige could have used for rehearsal. It doesn’t excuse kelli’s complete brain-fart as far as that goes, but I am sure there was a safe chair that could have been rehearsed with. Any mature instructor would have found a usable chair, rehearsed the student, and then (privately) ripped the parent a new orifice for “forgetting”. But, of course, this is “no-real-bearing-in-reality” tv, so the chair got thrown, Paige cried, and Kelli flipped out. I get the feeling that I would enjoy this show a lot more if I did not have dance experience (both as a competitor and later as an instructor)….
I miss Brooke’s solos for sure. I thought they were neat. I loved the Butterfly one.
I really thought it was pathetic and disgusting that Melissa drug Chloe into her little tattle tale session with Jabby….let’s all be honest Maddie does the same dance with the same face EVERY time, yes it is technically great, but she doesn’t have the skill that Chloe does, nor the artistry. I do wish Christi would take Chloe somewhere else, she has so much potential and even the Joffrey noticed and wanted her….SAVE CHLOE!!! And sorry but Kelly is right Abby needs to stop stuffing her face and get a lap band !! At least on Dance Moms Miami the teachers could preform the steps of the dance….I would pay money to see fat girl do a twirl and roll on the floor like her beloved Munchkin Maddie.
btw…Melissa’s boyfriends divorce is stalled so no big wedding for her anytime soon!! Kurt sue for custody, any judge would pick you over a money grubbing, pathetic old skank, who is so obsessed with living thru her daughters she prostitutes herself for dance lesson money!!! I wish Kellys husband would run over Melissa with his car!
I call foul on a lot of the “drama” we saw… or at least I have a lot of questions about it all.
1) As countless have pointed out, the dancers use chairs ALL of the time. They do all kinds of routines with chairs. You mean to tell me Kelly, Gia or anyone else couldn’t have used another chair or at the least used the stoppers from another chair?
2) While I was watching this episode I remember thinking, “this is the first time I’ve ever even seen a shot of the sound board at one of these competitions.” Interesting… so they just happened to have a camera person next to the sound guy who also happened to pick up footage of the sound guy frantically trying to fix the sound? Of course this all could have actually happened like I just described, but it smells fishy. (Do we even want to discuss the etymology of THAT idiom? hahaha)
I’ve noticed they usually have camera people in the wings waiting to get shots of the girls before and after going on stage, and that said camerman could have ran over to the soundboard and caught the mistake. Sure. But thats never been shown before right?
Idk, I am in a conspiracy theory type of mood today. Next up: Sister Wives and Teen Mom Myths debunked lol jk
I haven’t said this up to now because it sounds too conspiracy-theorist, but a little voice in my brain has indeed been asking me if Maddie has been looking so painfully drawn and conflicted because she was rehearsing this with the skip and she knew this moment was coming. If that is the case then I feel terrible for her.
@Nannie- it’s not 740 miles one-way to Chicago from Pittsburgh, it’s only about 450.
Sorry, I transposed the 7 and 4, I should have checked. That is my bad for the day, lol! It doesn’t change anything else.
@pageant-grandma, for what it’s worth, Maddie’s solo is not listed on the competition schedule. The schedule was only put up a few days before the comp, so I’m inclined to believe that Energy allowed an exception for the show. I wish I knew why I spend my time researching things like this!!!
http://www.energyndc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Chicago-IL-Line-up.pdf
Well I am not sure of how much of a stretch it would be to assume there is some major trickery going on. Crazy Crab Apple Cathy herself has admitted to giving [Free] Vivi a heads up on the drama that will go down, prior to the actual drama so Maddie knowing the skip was coming, or Kelly not being on the bus (but really being on the bus) could all be a not so cleverly crafted ruse. Damn you lifetime. If real life drama is not enough to sustain a show then cancel the show or call it a fictional show but stop with the fake reality. Idk what to believe anymore. But from the looks of this interview, Cathy gives Jabby a look that says, “Come on lets be honest here, its ROSIE after all.”
I wonder if what craycray and Abby said to Rosie is still true. Crazy Cathy has pulled some real stunts since then. And I don’t believe her about Vivi. She may think whispering in Vivi’s ear that she’s about to start drama is a-ok, but she also thinks Vivi can dance. Remember when she threw Vivi and Justice up against Nia and Mackenzie? First, she thought Vivi could dance as well as Big Mack, then she thought the choreography she had them doing (an old fashioned number) was “fresh.”
Kelly whines Abby is sending her daughters up “to make fools of themselves”, but Cathy really has thrown Vivi in over her head. When Paige and Brooke look back at this, I don’t think they will be embarrassed of their dancing. But, I think Vivi will wonder why Cathy kept pushing her to dance with/against girls who were way out of her league.
I found a DM inspired braiding tutorial:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=24&ved=0CEYQtwIwAzgU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNdVPltz2MSQ&ei=k2nfT9SvDY2K8QTi4oGCCw&usg=AFQjCNGrr7ggzf2hTeIJyjRy_jCZobMnlg
Hmmm… weird Maddie isn’t in the program. Was her solo already approved for an Energy competition? Maybe that is how she was pushed through?
Even if the moms didn’t know in advance, they knew Abby was trying to push Maddy to dance.
Next week they’ll be at Energy as well, but Maddie is doing a different solo. Who knows… I wish they’d just show us what really happened!
Btw, what Abby said to Paige about “doing well or making a fool of yourself,” in the context of what she was telling Paige about being bigger with her movements, made total sense to me. I thought she was saying “Don’t be self-conscious about how you look. You can either win or you can make a fool of yourself.” Like, if you’re afraid of making a fool of yourself you can’t win. I’m just saying this because I think it’s a great example of what gun kata (or gun kata’s fiance) was saying about Abby not articulating herself well. She just looks so darn … NICE in this Rosie interview. And Crazy Cathy still looks neurotic and delusional to me, so I think how they look in this interview might be how they are.
Also, I think it’s kind of humble of Abby to say she acts like Christi and Kelly’s mom because she’s only about three years older than them, isn’t she?
@maryedith- I agree with the Rosie interview. I think Abby can be nice, and she is showing her personality there, but of course also shows her personality in her studio, which btw she admits to. She doesn’t try to hide behind the “it’s staged/scripted” stuff that the moms seem to do when they look bad. She owns up to her behavior- she doesn’t apologize for it- but she says that IS who she is and says she used to be a lot worse! Cathy is another story! I can’t stand her, and even in this interview, as hard as she’s trying, you can tell how narcissistic she is (“oh, I was always the star and everyone was SO jealous of me, blah, blah, blah…”) She really seems like a piece of work that one. I prefer Abby over her anyday! Also, I DO NOT think they are friendly to one another now. This was awhile ago, and I think after the way she acted and treated others at joffrey and N.J., I think it’s safe to assume they can’t stand eachother, or at least Abby can’t stand her! I’m with you on that Abby!!
As for age– I think Abby is about 45 (not positive, but around that age), and Kelly is 40. Christi is actully younger– maybe around 32 or 33. Melissa is about 44 or 45 and I think Holly is around 40 too. I remember looking into that once. It’s almost embarrassing how much I do look into stuff in regard to this show…
OmG! I called Candy Apples Dance Studio and I asked to speak to cathy and the lady says “This is Cathy”, I didnt know what to say so i hung up!!
Dani said (comment 146) ” I DO NOT think they are friendly to one another now. ”
I agree. Cathy Nesbitt-Stein’s Twitter is pretty negative about Abby and ALDC, especially right after competitions. She’ll often tweet to her friend @karadelrey about Abby, using code like “the big problem at the competition, keyword being BIG” and similar. I do think Cathy played up the drama in season 1 – that she liked being “cast” as the bad guy and played up to it. But now she gets v v defensive on twitter, saying her evil was all acting. But meanwhile, I think she personally dislikes Abby now. And why not, if (as is suggested in the Rosie O’Donnell interview) her “friend” Abby got her into this show and it’s cost her business/reputation/sanity? Cathy’s probably locked into the Lifetime contract too, but isn’t cooperating with producers (who likely want inflated drama), so she gets little screen time to defend herself/put on a good face. I don’t like Cathy – I think she’s mean, untrustworthy and petty – but I kind of understand why she might be pissed about how she was painted in the show (with her own cooperation).
LOL Rebecca!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A reality show is being filmed at ALDC. If someone noticed Kelly had failed to take home the chair and then she comes in the next day having forgotten the stoppers (and giggling about it). Well, I have no problem imagining that someone sneaked and hide the other chairs or removed and hid all the stoppers or had a prop chair bonfire and set the stoppers on fire. I am sure they didn’t image chairageddon would ensue, but they knew there was a good chance Kelly would handle it badly. Or Abby would handle it badly. Or, their dreams would come true, and they BOTH would handle it badly.
If this was a normal day at ALDC and a reality show wasn’t taping there, either there would be another chair or there would be stoppers on hand or someone would have been sent to replenish the stopper supply. Because I have a feeling that the props/costumes must be done by moms is a TV invention. Normally, Paige would be working for a while to learn this solo and it’d be planned for a while. So, even if Kelly forgot and it came down to Paige’s prop not being ready, there would probably be some solution at hand so that she only missed part of rehearsal. Maybe only a very small part of it.
In fact, I thought there used to be chairs stacked in their practice room. But, those chairs haven’t made it back to that spot since they used them a few episodes ago.
I agree… I think Cathy and Abby used to get along o.k. For one thing, they probably rarely saw one another anyway. I don’t think they admitted to much else to Rosie. But, Cathy has repeatedly said and done a great deal since then. Also, I believe she is further angered by the fact Abby’s dancers keep beating hers because that makes her look bad.
Cathy is o.k. to her dancers’ face, but her tactics have humiliated her dancers. I think the older ones know the score, so it’s not so bad for them. But, making Kendall do that red queen dance in that silly costume that did not work well for her dance set her up and Chloe wiped the floor with her. Chloe and Kendall are friends. Even if they weren’t they are sweet girls. Just let Kendall go out with her best dance, not a quickie copy of Chloe’s. Chloe is a better dancer, so she’ll probably win. But, Kendall will just be judge on her own merit rather than as part of Cathy’s schemes.
@Dani — I’d like to call a pre-emptive moratorium on people feeling embarrassed by their detective work on this show. I would have died of shame three times over if I allowed those thoughts to enter m head!
Maryedith, I agree. How many talent things have proved that if you don’t commit to something, it doesn’t look good. So, you have to go big so at least people can tell what you’re trying to do.
Also, everything Abby has said and what others have said about her… she doesn’t want the girls to look foolish. This is why she harps on them to learn to stay out there and ad lib. They all know another routine that looks kind of similar to the one they’re now forgetting… just do it. Although, their freezing and freaking has to do with the TV show. They know a lot more people will see their mistake than the people at the competition. Also, they have a harder schedule.
Rebecca, ahahahaha that is awesome.
If you are pitting a dancer against Chloe DELIBERATELY, the way Cathy does, make sure she isn’t doing a dark dance. Kendall, when doing Abby’s choreo at least, is a good little dancer. Thing is, Chloe KILLS dark dances. She’s a character dancer imo and you are going to get your ass handed to you if she is doing anything but generic lyrical. Say what you will about Abby but she does give the girls dance types they’re good at and Chloe is good at telling a story, probably the best at it on the team, and that’s what she gives to her most of the time.
What AshleyS said
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I grew up in NC, lived there until I was 28 and even though I had heard the phrase “petered out”, I never thought it had any sexual basis at all! I only thought it meant “all out of energy”. So I don’t think that is a NC definition of the term.
The girls themselves do not get paid for being on the show. They can’t, because then they would be “professional” and couldn’t compete. That being said, Abby and the moms most likely are. If, as it has been rumored, Abby was having financial troubles prior to the show being filmed (and let’s face it, the economy has been crappy, and if you have to choose between paying your mortgage and your 4-year-old’s tap lessons, the mortgage is going to win!) I am sure the show was a godsend for Abby. Originally, by all accounts, dm was supposed to be what dmm turned out to be– mama drama with the rest kind of in the background. But Abby’s teaching style was intriguing, and ended up taking center stage. Clearly, though she doesn’t admit it, even she is somewhat scripted. In ep 1 this season, she first tells the girls that since “no one there knows who Aldc are, (even though they’ve competed at both energy competitions and in la before) they have to make a good impression, and then later, when pressuring Maddie to compete her solo (by melissa’s twitters, it sounds like Maddie had an ear infection, which can screw with your balance, and since maddie’s biggest strength is is turns…..) Abby said that a routine being scratched was embarrassing because of a “reputation that precedes us”. If they don’t know who you are, how can you have a reputation?
A woman takes her daughter to Candy Apple’s (‘) to meet Cathy and Vivi. Vivi is taller now. Anyway, the woman writes about her experience (Cathy and Vivi were very nice) and posts some photos:
http://littlesidekicks.blogspot.com/2012/04/dance-moms-candy-apples-dance-center.html?m=1
we always refered to the “male member” as a “Peter”. Must just be a Salisbury thing….
Wow. lots of comments for this episode! I’m only about a third of the way through the ones in the minicap, but I already just have to say something (usually I finish reading first, in case somebody already said what I’m about to say, but I just cannot keep my mouth shut about this…)
I cannot believe how much some people are inclined to justify and excuse Kelly’s behavior. Things like, it was a ridiculous demand in the first place especially overnight, or Kelly figured they could still practice most stuff without the chair, or Kelly figured there had to be other chairs with stoppers around from previous dances…
This may all be true, but… This does not deny the fact that Kelly said it was done. SHE SENT PAIGE IN WITH IT SAYING IT WAS DONE.
Worst case, this shows very a cavalier attitude towards her own daughter’s safety. Yes, I’ve seen some of your arguments that of course Kelly wouldn’t intend to embarress Paige; I don’t share your optimism about that, but even if I give you that…
Putting the most optimistic spin on it possible, it still throws Paige under the bus by saying it was done, sending Paige in with the chair, and leaving HER to face Abby’s inevitable anger, knowing full well how Abby is about these things.
Not to mention, setting a very bad example by lying and attempting to cover it up by slapping the marker on… Making the chair black was the least important part (and certainly wasn’t needed for practice) so the only reason to do just that without the stoppers was to try to hide she hadn’t done what she had agreed to, and seriously does Kelly really want to be teaching her own 10-11 yr old daughter (not to mention her other teenaged daughter who was likely watching) that is okay to lie and cover up things?
And I have to wonder if this is what made Paige so distraught… all the girls have indicated they are used to Abby’s yelling, and while the chair throwing would have been scarier and I can see how that would make Paige upset, but have to wonder if the degree of how upset she got was partly due to being upset at her own Mom’s behavior.
If when Abby had demanded the chair, Kelly had said it wasn’t done, and then Abby had exploded, I would have interpreted the whole thing entirely differently.
I do agree about things escalating so quickly behind the scenes indicating there is more going on that meets the eye… But that’s true of a lot of the interactions between Abby and Kelly. This kind of thing isn’t exactly new… how about (in the first season) Kelly making Paige learn a solo from an outside choreographer, causing Paige to have a total anxiety attic hiding in the bathroom and sobbing hysterically. Not that I have a problem generally with the outside choreographer (as a kid I went to two different studios simultaneously for a while because they were good at different things) but the whole way Kelly went about it made it seem like Kelly wasn’t serious about getting some outside dance experience for Paige’s benefit, but rather about just proving some point with Abby and using Paige to do it. In fact it really didn’t seem like what Kelly was doing wasn’t about Paige at all, but rather just Paige being used as a pawn another battle in Kelly’s war with Abby, and Paige was clearly miserable about it. Sorry to go on about a totally unrelated episode, but a lot of people are also asking what has changed with Kelly and my answer is really not much as far as I can see.
I don’t necessarily excuse Abby’s behavior in all this; much of Abby’s behavior is reprehensible for me… it’s just that *Kelly* is Paige’s mom, and so I put more responsibility on Kelly for watching out for her daughter’s well-being than Abby. Not to mention that even regarding the things Abby does; I have to give Kelly a little of the responsibility for that too, because she keeps Paige there…
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Oh, wow, didn’t realize that post was getting so long until I saw it posted, and still something I forgot to say… I strongly feel the ongoing war between Kelly and Abby is really about when Kelly danced in Abby’s company and probably Kelly wasn’t that much younger than Abby at the time Abby started the company in Abby’s mother’s studio … So I think this is essentially a middle-school fight continuing on through the decades and now being fought by Kelly’s daughters.
Corinthia, Kelly telling Paige the chair was done bothers me, too. Because by doing this, she negates any consideration about whether the were other chair. Why would Paige seek another chair when her mother hands her one and says it is done?
Kelly did not bother to think ahead to what would happen if Paige was trying to do a trick off the chair and it slipped out from under her. As much as she complains about Abby, she knew Abby would notice the chair wasn’t safe before she had Paige use it for much. And that Abby would then not use the chair and thus Paige would be o.k. I am not taking up for her or saying she thought this out that way, but in the back of her mind… she knew.
I haven’t seen anyone say Kelly wouldn’t embarrass Paige. Wow. Well, that is her excuse for pulling solos because Paige go so upset the time she forgot. She ran off then she cried in Kelly’s lap for a long time. So, Kelly doesn’t want Paige to be embarrassed on stage (which, if it happened, she would consider Abby’s fault even if she… Kelly… made Paige miss a practice or interrupted practice to fight with Abs). She is not really seeing that it was embarrassing to Paige to trot in there with a chair only to have her teacher quickly discover it wasn’t done at all.
I agree with you about the choreographer. If I hire a man to teach my daughters a dance, I am going to keep my mouth closed unless I HAVE to tell him something about the competition. He doesn’t need to build a rapport with me, he has to build one with the girls. Although my fiance thinks Paige didn’t like the dance because it was too sexy. Since that guy’s clients he named are adults, that may be true. I do remember Kelly telling Paige, “be sexy”. How is Paigey going to do that? She’s ten!
My fiance also thinks Paige started crying because Kelly was fighting with Abby. Maybe she’d hoped Kelly would fix things so she could learn her solo. Maybe she hoped Kelly skip Abby and come directly to her. But, she opened that door beside the studio door and she didn’t seem to be crying, but up in the mom loft she was sobbing when Christi hugged her.
I really don’t see why anyone would take up for Kelly. She was given a job and she didn’t complete it. I understand that editing can be a b*tch, so it’s hard to tell if Kelly said anything about not having time to do the chair, but if what we are shown is accurate, she just didn’t do it. Holly was assigned the costumes (on a side note, I also think the moms might have to help with this because they are doing routines so quickly they may not have time to order costumes for the entire group), not Kelly so why was she not working on her thing while Holly worked on hers? I don’t really care for Christi, but she is always very good about making sure that Chloe has the best of what she needs, i.e. the gym floor episode, she made Chloe a very pretty costume, Kelly had booty shorts that had stones on them… I just think that Christi and possibly Melissa put more time into making sure their girls have what they need on stage, even if that means throwing money or lots of time at it… I really hate the “if this was Maddie or Chloe they would have had a pink rhinestone chair” comment.
@Rebecca, “peter” was definitely used around here (North Georgia) for the male member when I was growing up. And I know it was used in Nashville in the fifties because I have a family friend from there who suffered schoolyard agonies because his name was Peter and his brother’s name was Dick.
The chair and costumes business: I don’t think it’s possible to judge Kelly’s character as a mother over all that. In the beginning she complained about everyone else’s costumes being better than her kids’. Then suddenly it seemed the costumes were the moms’ responsibility and that Christi did a better job. I think most of us agree that making the moms make the costumes is bogus and only for the show. That said, throughout the show’s history when the moms are in the viewing room or backstage, Kelly is almost always sewing something. And she’s doing it like it’s not a big deal, like it’s something she’s good at. So why she felt Chloe and Maddie had better costumes and props, I don’t know. We just haven’t been told enough about how the studio works to be able to judge.
Paige crying — I thought that was a delayed reaction to the chair-throwing. She looked terrified at that; she went all stiff and then started shaking. I thought she just collapsed with relief as soon as she got out of the rehearsal room. I thought it was important that she said “I just want to go home.” Usually no matter what kind of hell is going down, the girls do not want to leave — they are afraid to miss practice and they don’t want to let Abby down. When Paige said that was when I really thought shenanigans were going on with the chair and the solo.
OMG! I’m from NC and have NEVER heard that explanation for the term “petered out”. My very proper grandmother was even known to use it. So, please don’t assume that’s a regional thing. I think whoever offered that explanation to Rebecca was probably pulling her leg, and I’d love to know how they explain that idiom
I can’t believe I still watch the train wreck that is Dance Moms. Thanks for the recap!
“Pulling her leg”? I’ve never heard that expression. Are you sure you don’t mean “pulling her peter”?
Oops, thanks gun kata, “embarrass” was a typo, I meant to say “injure”. I meant to say
“Worst case, this shows very a cavalier attitude towards her own daughter’s safety. Yes, I’ve seen some of your arguments that of course Kelly wouldn’t intend to
embarrassinjure Paige; I don’t share your optimism about that, but even if I give you that… Putting the most optimistic spin on it possible, it still throws Paige under the bus by saying it was done, sending Paige in with the chair, and leaving HER to face Abby’s inevitable anger, knowing full well how Abby is about these things.”Bottom line is, I can think of a number of reasons Kelly might not have been able to get the chair done overnight. (And even though she might have looked like she just decided to have fun with the costume distressing instead, the tv show contract might have required her to be on set for that or whatever.) I just cannot come up with any conceivable excuse for saying it was done and sending poor Paige in with it.
Maryedith, good point about the delayed reaction. It also could have been she was barely holding back her tears and then things went from bad to worse. With Paige, I have noticed if something upsets her to the point where she is crying really hard, she tells Kelly she wants to go home. When she forgot her solo, Kelly had to tell Paige no. It seemed to be very hard on her to tell her crying child they couldn’t go home. I am not even sure where that competition was. Maybe it’s not Paige who fears something going wrong in a solo. Maybe it’s that event upset Kelly so much she is afraid of it happening again.
Corinthia, I agree. Kelly should have never told Paige the chair was done. Even if her reason for not fixing the chair was simply she forgot, she never should have handed the unfinished chair to Paige as “done.” Given it is a reality show, she really may not have been able to get stoppers once she arrived without them. But, she ought to never made Paige trot in there with that silly thing. What if Abby hadn’t even been in the room and Paige had decided to try a few of her tricks?
Ok, we did see Paige climbing all over that chair in rehearsal the day before, and someone here said something about the performance stages being the issue when it comes to slipperiness, so I’m going to give Kelly the benefit of the doubt on the injury front. But yes, telling Paige the chair was ready was emotionally callous. Kelly was acting like a little kid herself; she really seemed to forget she was a mother. It was a bit scary.
Maryedith, I didn’t really notice her doing anything where it could slip out from under her the day before. Now, even without stoppers, there is a chance Paige could have done her entire dance without incident.
I think they put Marley down on the stages don’t they? Some stages don’t have as much give as gym floors. But, I don’t really know. The stages I have been on… I wasn’t doing anything like what Paige does. So, if I had fallen down, it’d been down to my own clumsiness.
I just think Kelly didn’t stop and think about the stopperfree chair. I wouldn’t say she doesn’t care. She does care, she loves Paige. But, sometimes she gets caught up in her own thing… such in this case, trying to pull one over on Abby so she didn’t get scolded. She didn’t stop to think what Abby might say to Paige or different ways things could have played out… rehearsal cancelled or Paige having to run all over to find a different chair or the chair being not safe. She just was looking at it as Paige needed to walk into the room with a chair. But, I don’t get why she told Paige it was done.
I wonder how well Abby can hear what’s happening in the mom loft? If she heard Kelly tell Paige the chair was done, then that would explain why she was so angry at Kelly. She gave Kelly a simple job and here Kelly is, half assing it at the last minute and trying to play if off like she did the whole project even if she forgot the easiest and most important part.
Maryedith, I went off into my own thought in my reply… only the first two paragraphs are the reply.
I just thought of something… what if there were TWO chairs?
Chair A is the one Paige is seen practicing with the first day. It has stoppers. Its permanent home is the studio.
Chair B is the one Abby wanted Kelly to fix up with stoppers and paint. It will be Paige’s Performance Chair when completed.
This would explain why Kelly laughed about forgetting Chair B. It would explain why she sent Paige in with Chair B. It would explain why she felt Chair B didn’t have to be finished until the performance and became angry when Abby said otherwise. Maybe the ONLY reason Abby wanted Chair B completed that day was so she could look at it and decide if she liked what Kelly had done with it and, if needed, make additional requests.
The only problem with this scenario is it seems like one chair, not two.
Makes total sense to me, gun kata. All the chairs are black, so how could we tell? Still, though (oh dear, I can’t find a way out for Kelly here!) when the time came for Paige’s rehearsal Kelly would have seen there was no chair in the rehearsal room. Holly said, ominously, “She’s asking for the chair.” At that point Kelly surely knew that her chair was going to be THE chair, no matter how many chairs were in the studio. And you’re exactly right, gun kata and everyone else, at that point Kelly should have gone into the rehearsal room instead of Paige and told Abby the chair wasn’t ready.
Harkening back to my dance days– on the occasion where the moms were responsible for either procuring or altering props– it was always expected that they should be completed and available at least a few dad before they were needed. Of course, the request was made more than a day in advance, but it’s not like Kelli was being required to BUILD a chair– just get some stoppers so the child doesn’t fall and break her neck, and touch up the paint so it looks good on stage. Kelli should have done it. Barring that, she should have been forthright with Abby, and not thrown Paige to the wolves. And Abby should have skipped the chair-throwing temper tantrum, though in her defense it’s not like she threw it AT Paige.
I sincerely apologise for not waiting for the minicap, but am I delusional or was there no way Paige could have worn that green dress in the group number without throwing it totally off visually? I was shaking with anger at Kelly through this whole episode. SHAKING!
I know! Don’t worry, you aren’t delusional. Kelly is. And as far as fit, she can sew! She could have easily taken in the sides a bit so it wasn’t hanging off her but instead she lets her go on stage in a dress that won’t stay up JUST so she can blame Abby for something! She has really outdone herself this time I swear.
I didn’t understand anything about this episode. The fight about the cd made no sense to me. They cut so much out that it made no sense when they got mad at Melissa for confronting Abby about it. Why did they refer to that as “telling on us?” What were Christi and Kelly up to with that?
Again, I’m sorry. At times like these one could use a fiance to vent to.
Maryedith, we were both shouting at the screen so much (which we usually don’t do, haha) that Kelly probably heard us + everyone else in Pittsburgh.
The only way Paige could have worn the green dress was if Abby reblocked the whole number to make Paige the featured dancer. Chloe was the featured dancer. Chloe spent most of her time down front and center stage. Chloe had to wear the green dress. No one else. And they have browbeat Melissa to the point where she is TERRIFIED that Maddie would get the green dress. Fortunately for Maddie, she wasn’t in the featured position, so Chloe got the dress.
And if Christi and Kelly would stop with their constant bullshit, then Chloe and Paige would not have been upset one bit. For one thing, if Paige had the green dress… everyone would have been looking at her waiting to see why while they were missing key elements of the dance. Abby should not have to explain this. Kelly is a baby!
gunkata & Meredith –
I agree, Paige couldn’t have worn the green dress without messing things up….BUT. Why was ONE green dress ordered in the first place?? It was really weird. Something was goofy with the whole thing. But I have to say, I understand, to some extent what Kelly was saying – instead of just reblocking the dance, or paying attention to what you’re ordering in the first place so there isn’t this issue, Paige gets a dress that’s too big, and Chloe gets a dress that’s too small. After everything else, that would be really, really, really annoying!
Did anyone else wonder who the two studios were that “came to beat ALDC?”
SaraKate, Abby acted like they sent the wrong thing. I think that happens kind of often with these dance costumes. I got the impression she expected one color.
I don’t know if they had time to reblock especially since they were already shaky with the dance (according to their own mothers). But, it made more sense for Chloe to be down in front. She is a stronger dancer and the best at conveying a story.
Sara Kate, I do wonder about the studios!
I think the colors were right and it was the sizes that were off. I think at the pyramid there was probably a part where Abby said that Chloe wouldn’t have a solo that week but she would be featured in the group number. I think that was edited out to make Kelly’s costume drama (ha!) seem plausible. It made me really mad that this should have been Nia’s week to shine and she got overshadowed by all the bullshit. Holly came off really well in this episode and she is back in my good books in a big way. Btw, did they get Victor to guest choreograph Nia’s solo or what?
I want video, or an audio file at least, of the katas yelling at the screen.
Our girl(Nia) did so well, she had the dance down and next time she does it she will probably put more ‘Nia’ in it. I swear every time these girls(except never smilesBrooke) smile I get the goofiest grin on my face. Did you see the GENUINE smiles Maddie and Chloe had on their faces when they completed their dance FLOVED!!!!!!! Honestly I loved all their dances and let’s not talk about the cutest little bug in all of Pittsburgh…MacK.
I just can’t get over why in the world Kelly just didn’t pull Abby aside and say the dumb chair wasn’t finished. Then if there was an issue, then Kelly could have dealt with it.
I think the whole dress thing was stupid, I get that you think your daughter need to feel special, but when the teacher gave her a chance you pulled her solo, besides the fact that it just would have looked off.
The whole CD crisis is also a bit overplayed at this point, it had nothing to do with your children so leave the others alone. Or at least that’s what Christi told Melissa about Chloe going to the movies. I could see about mentioning it initially, but again at the competition? Really? ugh.
Seemed like Christi and Kelly were on a mission to sabotage Abby this episode. They wanted no direct confrontation, just a united but devious front against everything she did. I hate those kind of tactics. I also hate that that seems to put me on Team Desperation Nervous Wreck Melissa. I am intrigued about the cd fight. When Holly said it was “like WWWIII” I was like “more like WWWthree minutes.” We didn’t see any of that!
Dancers in the know — how responsible would Abby be for picking the music for the dances? I must say I pretty much like what they dance to. I’m not a fan of Maddie’s drippy solo songs for the most part, but it seems to me that some of the stuff, like Nia’s solo, is pretty fresh sounding. *Omg, please don’t let me be totally exposing myself as having horrible, outdated taste here*
@maryedith, the choreographer is the one responsible for picking the music. However, due to copyright issues, sometimes production shows us the dance to different music. Example – the trio from long, long ago where Chloe’s headband came in front of her face, the original music (I think) is way cuter and fits the dance/coshtumes much better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyJaH0ssvok
Having seen that again, I think I agree with Kelly…the choreography is getting stale. It’s not as technical, and it doesn’t showcase the girls as well as it could!
Lindsayyyy, though, we’ve been told that the music WE’RE hearing is not always the music actually being played, prolly due to copyright issues.
maryedith – I think your ideas about the costume make more sense (it’s hot here – i think my brain melted so I couldn’t figure that out, LOL!). I managed a dance studio for 5 years, and danced many more, and I don’t think we EVER had a costume come in with wrong colors. Wrong sizes, yes, but not wrong colors.
Sara Kate, that makes sense… the wrong sizes.
If Kelly would quit some of her antics so Paige could concentrate on dancing then Paige might be capable of a featured dancer role.
I just dont care for Nia, she is a sloppy dancer and her legs are always bent.
oh wow. I usually try to finish reading *before* posting so I’m not redundant, but I couldn’t stop myself from posting a rant… when I finally got back to catching and reading this thread, I see that gun kata had actually previously posted *everything* I said.
gun kata, you had already mentioned how no matter what one thinks about the abby’s insistence having kelly do the prop by the next day and kelly not doing it, that kelly handled it in the worst way possible by just telling Paige it was done and sending her in with the chair to face abby’s inevitable wrath. And I see you also had mentioned something I caught in the rerun and was about to post, about a sad (but not hysterical) Paige coming out a door in front of kelly, and kelly ignoring her and sweeping right on past to go scream at abby, and how *that* was when Paige seemed to lose it (not when abby threw the chair and terminated the rehearsal.) And the funniest thing was I figured I was the *only* person obsessive enough to be linking this chair incident to that bit with the outside choreographer in season 1 (and that people would probably think me weird for doing so) but I see you had made that exact same connection too!
we’re clearly on the same page with this.
About the “real” vs “for tv” music… One thing I liked more about VictAng’s choreography over Abby’s was that the choreo by VictAng generally seemed to go with the music better, with the exception of a few brief interludes for the dancer to get their signature move in, such as pausing a fast-paced jazz number for the dancer to do one of those controlled balance moves). Aside from those brief interludes, it seemed to me that in general, it looked like VictAng had actually choreo’ed the routines *to* the music, whereas Abby’s often looked like she did the routine without music first, then found some music to fit.
But it had occurred to me that I might be judging Abby’s musicality (or lack thereof) unfairly here, and that her music might be getting replaced more often than VictAng’s. If I’m right about that, I can think of two possible reason that Abby’s music might be getting replaced more often than VictAng’s…
- When doing a routine for the tv show, Victor might be more savvy about finding less mainstream music and clearing rights to it before even beginning (due to his SYTYCD experience.)
- It is known that some of Abby’s “new” group routines were used *before* the tv show even began, so then new music might have been needed to show them on tv. VictAng might be doing less re-use of old routines due to their group being a new group pulled together specifically for the tv show.
About Nia’s technique… Nia has a way to go, but I love seeing the progress she has made, she has come so far since the very beginning of the show (and aside from whether or not she has as much natural talent as the other girls, it should be noticed that at least before the show started, she was involved in a variety of activities not just dance, and probably wasn’t training dance as much or as frequently as the others.)
Paige and Mack have improved a lot too, and Chloe who was great to begin with, seems to be getting better and better. Brooke seems to be at a plateau (not surprising when she is stuck in this younger age group). And Maddie’s progress seems to be stalled (she was quite impressive as an 8-year-old at the beginning, not so much with time having passed and her dancing seeming to be at the exact same level.)
Kendall had the other green dress for the silver spoons dance. She still dances at ALDC but they obviously can’t show that. That’s why there was only one green dress that we saw. They perform the dance twice at the competitions, one with Kendall and one without her for the show.
I know for a fact (because I performed in dance competitions in the 90s-ages ago!) that top dancers at some studios in California were/are sometimes ‘taught’ and practice to keep going if their solo music skips. And sometimes they used the ‘skipping CD’ on purpose to show how professional the dancer was…I remember one girl who had her CD skip during her solo – she completed it in complete silence, tears streaming down her face, and then the judges ran out to embrace her, congratulate her dance teacher and then gave her a full scholarship to some studio in L.A.
That’s how you win.
Anyhoo….when I saw how Maddie’s CD skipped, I was instantly reminded of this….