Glass House Recap: Death Trumps Crazy

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   featherhead
   Posted July 4, 2012 at 8:00 am

   Robin’s pants ‘ tweets were bizz-ar-ro!! Cray Cray! I could have sworn her muttering under her breath while hand washing the floor “No more wire hangers”….

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   LisaCee
   Posted July 4, 2012 at 8:30 am

   Hilarious recap!!! I’m hoping Erica comes back too. Something tells me that girl will play this game something fierce! I sure hope Robin’s craziness was fake too. If not, whoah….

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   HandyManda
   Posted July 4, 2012 at 8:40 am

   I like watching Erica and Robin. For 2 totally different reasons, so it’s a bummer that 1 of them has to go. I like seeing Robin’s crazy (like what other articles of clothing have hidden messages on them?) and Erica because I think she could go far in this game.

   All the Marc Summers stuff had me rolling! I used to love that show, and these challenges totes remind me of old Nickelodeon stuff.

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   (J)ustPeachy
   Posted July 4, 2012 at 10:37 am

   “Who made up the challenges? Marc Summers?” LoL!

   Lovely recap, thank you for sharing yourself with us.

   I want Erica to stay.

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   itchy
   Posted July 4, 2012 at 1:35 pm

   I can understand now why this show could be interesting — the whole viewer voting thing definitely has an effect on strategy. But I get the feeling all of these people are just actors playing parts — maybe it’s just the camera work, maybe it’s the stereotypes, but it really does seem like I’m watching a soap opera, not a reality tv show.

   And I bet one of the show’s sponsors is a company that makes breast implants.

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   AmyOops
   Posted July 4, 2012 at 2:00 pm

   SPOILER ALERT (maybe?):

   I went on the website to check it out and there discover Robin’s photo (along with other eliminated contestants) with a big X through it, and I could vote to keep Erica (or anyone else still around) in the game. So naturally I voted to keep her in (go Erica!), but WTF? They had a “live feed” going on and there she was.

   So the vote already took place and regular TV viewers won’t know until the next show? So confused. The thing I really dislike about this show is all the shit that goes on that we don’t see unless we’re glued to our computers and abc.com 24/7. Ugh. But I guess there were only ten episodes ordered, so I’ll stick it out. Go Erica and Stephanie! Asshat-douchenozzle Kevin and bigot Andrea GO AWAY (and yes I am close friends with a very, very church involved Mormon who would NEVER discriminate – so it’s damn well possible).

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   carol
   Posted July 4, 2012 at 2:48 pm

   Okay, as nasty as the Big Brother house gets (ants, garbage, no cleaning, etc) they at least have an outside area with real fresh air. How are these people not going totally crazy being stuck inside 24/7. They can’t even open a window to get fresh air. That means their environment temperature is always controlled. I would go crazy there.

   This show isn’t bad but I don’t think it will be reviewed for a second season. I do like that the viewers get some input on the show but only having 44 minutes shown every week is not a lot. Do they all get to ask questions to the viewers but only certain questions are shown? If Big Brother was smart, they would take some of the better parts of this show and incorporate them (like the questions for the viewers).

   While I do not agree with Andrea, attacking her was low. Instead of actually talking to her and rationally explaining his views, and also listening to her views (no matter how mad they made him), Jeffrey yelled at her and made her feel small. That is not going to help change her views at all. I don’t remember Andrea ever openly judging Jeffrey because he is gay but he was openly judging her because she is Mormon.

   @ArmyOops – maybe Robin quit. Does anyone know if this is what happened two weeks ago when that other guy quit?

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   Closet Fan
   Posted July 4, 2012 at 3:06 pm

   I do not watch the show but I heard of it so I started reading your recaps. I love the pics you choose and what you write under them. Also I laughed at the Ramona comment.

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   fancyface
   Posted July 4, 2012 at 4:31 pm

   @Carol…I was literally strolling down to the comments to say EXACTLY what you said about the whole Andrea/Jeffrey situation! He lost A LOT of points with me because of his attack on her and he was so transparent that it was ridiculous. He’s clearly playing the ‘gay card’ to try to manipulate the public. He was making it an issue because he knows it’s a hot button topic and that many of us agree that Prop 8 is b.s. He’s trying to sway the public and give them a reason to vote her out. She sat down with him to talk like a rational human being & he jumped down her throat. Whether we agree with her or not she has a right to her beliefs just like he has right to his. That did not sit well with me AT ALL. I never saw her judging him & I also feel like saying she should be eliminated as a sign of gay support was totally ridiculous & I can’t believe someone would cosign that nonsense. Jeffrey has every right to believe it’s nothing wrong with being gay & Andrea has every right to believe it is. That doesn’t make her a horrible human being but the way he treated her makes him one. That was a sure fire sign of bullying if I ever saw one. UGH! I REALLY liked him too but as soon as he did the mugging for the camera calling her a hypocrite for killing a fly (which I didn’t see as a light hearted joke at all because the way he said it and the words he used clearly showed his bitchy side), I knew where this was going.

   But Ashley can totally take his place in my favs list. The way she comforted Andrea after that horrible attack was awesome & she said exactly what she needed to hear to make her feel better. I loved that.

   You know who else is sliding down my list of favs? Freaking Gene because he’s not smart enough to see how Joy is playing his dumb ass. It’s sad to watch him talk about how they have this chemistry and then see her brag about playing the game by flirting in the next clip. I thought he had more sense than that but as soon as Jeff left that room to let him ‘think’ about who to vote for I said his dumb butt is going to vote for whomever Joy tells him to & I was right.

   Also? I’m so not on the Erica love train. I think she’s a raging bitch & I’m disappointed that she’s the one that came back. Kevin (who is letting his douche flag fly & I never saw that coming) was actually losing points with me for liking the skank until he voted for her to leave lol. She rubbed me the wrong way on the 1st epi & I haven’t been able to get pass that. At least she’ll make for an interesting game when she returns so there’s that.

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    Chicken Lips
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    I heard there were only like 10 people that watch this show. Looks like we are all here. Partay. Or not – whatevs.

    Loved the Marc Summers reference! Maybe next week they will run on their little hamster wheels then jump through a mouth and slide down the tongue. Anything to get butts in the seats. Your recaps are about 187% better than the show.

    Does anyone know if the live feeds are free? I could check but I’m not that vested haha.

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    carol
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    @Chicken Lips – I have no clue if the feeds are free. I do know that you have to sign-up to vote. Even though I watch the show, I am not about to register just to vote online for this show.

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    itchy
    Posted July 4, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    That’s funny, I had the opposite reaction to Ashley’s odd little pep talk there, especially the weirdness about persecution. Seems to me Prop 8 is a perfect example of the persecution of a minority by a bullying majority. I just love it when these religious bully types whine about being persecuted themselves.

    What would have been nice would have been for Andrea to have an ‘a-ha’ moment and recognize how irrational the whole Mormon position on homosexuality is, i.e., that it’s natural but one can choose not to ‘act’ on it.

    But then, these are the same people knocking on my door wearing suits and ties when it’s 100 degrees in the middle of August while I’ve been taking my nap.

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    classy drunk
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 5:59 am

    Hey Jeffery, It always makes me want to side with someone when they stomp, yell, call me names, and throw a hissy fit. I just can’t understand why Andrea couldn’t understand what was wrong about her statement.

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    Mister_Dangerous
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Uh, the KKK thought they were right when they lynched black people. The Nazis thought they were right when they murdered 6 million Jews and Andrea and the Mormon Church think they are right when they attack gay people.

    I don’t see any difference between any of these HATE groups.

    I just wish Andrea would self-deport herself to UTAH.

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    itchy
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Classydrunk, I assume a lot of the sequence was lost to editing — no doubt there was plenty that we missed and they chose to show us only the bits where Jeffrey lost it, since that’s more interesting television than a calm, rational discussion.

    That said, the times when I have been confronted by other people’s ignorant bigotry, I have wasted little time in trying to reason with them. In those instances I usually pass directly to self-defense mode.

    Because make no mistake, Andrea’s (and the Mormon cult’s) position is a direct attack against an entire segment of the US population.

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    classy drunk
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Dayum editors…got me again.

    Editors 859, 006 Classy Drunk 4

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    Daniel
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 8:39 am

    I liked Erica’s comment during the Prop 8 argument. When the mormon said gay people don’t have to act on their impulses, Erica said it’s like saying we don’t HAVE to eat.

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    fancyface
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 9:17 am

    @Itchy12..Really? I saw it so differently. I think she, as a child of a preacher, probably grew up with similar ideals about homosexuality, but now chooses to believe what she wants to believe but she still understood where Andrea was coming from & I think it was the right thing to say to make her feel better. Maybe the persecution thing was a bit much but I understood what she meant & I loved what she did there for Andrea who so obviously felt attacked (which she was). Growing up in a black, baptist church you’re taught to believe that there is no greater sin than homosexuality & it must have been tough for her to form her own opinions if her MOM was the one instilling those ideals. One of the things I hate most is people of my race who don’t understand that shit like Prop 8 withholds the same civil liberties that we fought so hard to gain & are still fighting for. How is it ok to discriminate against others when our lives are made so much harder due to the discrimination of us? Ashley was probably very careful during that conversation because of the way she was brought up, but I DO wish she would’ve spoke up more DURING the convo instead of just comforting her afterwards, because maybe she could have said something that clicked with Andrea because she knows where she’s coming from & could probably have made her see why she chooses not to act on the things she were taught and could’ve made valid points against Prop 8 because Jeff certainly didn’t.

    I’m not saying she’s right. I don’t agree with anything she was saying & like Daniel, even though I can’t stand her, I think Erica had the most poignant statement during the whole conversation about the not eating thing. What I DON’T agree with is the WAY Jeffrey handled the situation. I understand his passion & what it feels like to be discriminated against, but his tactics imo were bullying & it felt a little forced for the cameras. Even if ‘editing’ was involved I’m sure he went from 0 to 80 just like they showed it because he’s obviously wanted to get it out before now.

    Andrea’s antiquated, irrational, immoral, ridiculous, prejudice beliefs are what’s wrong with this country as a whole, but she didn’t deserve that. If she was outwardly being homophobic and mistreating Jeffrey that would be one thing, but we haven’t seen that & she honestly did want to have a rational conversation or debate about each others’ point of views & Jeffrey didn’t allow that. He threw a tantrum. He needs to take a page out of the public Prop 8 protestors books and give his argument with clear and concise points because yelling & screaming usually accomplishes the exact opposite of what you’re trying to achieve.

    Also? As a minority who works & live in a majority filled area, I’ve had MANY debates on the issues with people who I’ve thought were some of the most ignorant undercover racists on the planet & even though I wanted to hit them in the throat with a hammer most of the time, I was always able to have a reasonable discussion on our point of views without sinking to that level. You look much better when not only what you’re saying is right but you say it with class, decorum, and facts that makes the counter argument seem as dumb as it really is. Erica’s saying “That’s like saying we don’t have to eat” did more for his point of view than ANYTHING Jeffery was spewing out. When someone doesn’t understand where you’re coming from, you give them examples using something they DO understand. That’s what Erica did & Jeffrey could stand to take a page from her book. That’s all I’m saying. (yeah I know it was a lot but that’s ALL I’m saying )

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    itchy
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Has anyone been following the live feeds? It’d be interesting to see how this all played out in real time. I doubt Jeffrey went off like that out of thin air — he seems like the jovial type all in all, so I have to guess that Andrea must have said something to provoke him, at least in the beginning (the whole thou shalt not lie thing).

    Comforting Andrea was probably good strategy on Ashley’s part, but this is also the reason why she’s consistently voted into limbo…

    And also, from my (rather limited) interactions with Mormons, at least the assholes in the suits who ring my doorbell when I’m trying to nap, they don’t actually listen to anything you say. They simply do not listen. They’re there only to sell their product, in this case, their wacky take on an already wacky mythology.

    So when I suggest the editing left out the parts where Jeffrey was being reasonable, it’s because I can only imagine that, after trying to get his point across to someone hiding behind the smugness of their belief system, someone who refused to listen — actually listen — to anything he had to say, he blew his top.

    But again, that’s why I wish we had input from people watching the live feeds. The whole force of this type of reality show is that we get to see the man behind the curtain, so to speak.

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    fancyface
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    @Itchy…What about Ashley comforting Andrea points out the reason for her being voted least favorite? I don’t get that. I just think she’s boring as hell and the audience could take or leave her so that’s why she doesn’t get the votes. I don’t see how her comforting Andrea justifies the reasons for it but who knows? Humans are idiots!

    And…are you saying that ALL Mormons refuse to listen to differing opinions or that you just ASSUME that Andrea does? What about that conversation made you think that she said anything to provoke him or that she was hiding behind ‘the smugness of her belief system’? Maybe I missed something and I’m really trying to understand your point.

    I personally haven’t seen anything to suggest that Andrea said anything to provoke such a vile attack but again, we’re not watching the live feeds and we have no idea what actually percipitated that convo. Maybe she threatened to kick gay puppies and kill non Mormon babies. Who knows? But to me, the passive aggressive dig he made to the camera about her killing a fly was very telling. It’s like he’s taken his idea of what Mormons are and projected them onto Andrea before he even knew where she stood on the issues. Meaning since Mormons believe A then Andrea is a piece of crap because that has to be what she believes as well.

    I believe EVERY religion is sometimes painted with a very broad scope and paints anyone of that faith in a certain light, but all religions have people that believe different things & interpret the laws of said religion differently. I.E…I’m a Christian that believes in equality for all & that MY God is a tolerant and all inclusive God, regardless of your race, creed, color, or sexuality. Now on the other hand, many Christians believe that if you don’t behave a certain way or do certain things that you are an abomination and have no place on this earth let alone in Heaven. So assuming that just because I’m a Christian I believe being gay is a sin is wrong, just like assuming since Andrea is a Mormon, she’s smug & don’t value different opinions or life styles. Now after she opened her mouth about voting for Prop 8 and saying ‘acting’ on gay tendencies is wrong…she’s fair game, but Jeff already had her pegged as something he didn’t know that she was.

    I think anyone who thinks like Andrea is ignorant to say the least, but does that mean she doesn’t have a right to her opinion & her belief system? Does it make her a horrible person because she doesn’t believe in what we do? Idk. This is a tough one. Do we condemn someone because they condemn others? Does that make us any better? It’s so hard to say and my opinion is switching back and forth as I write this because I honestly just don’t know which is why I love discussions like this. Like…I don’t have any time for racist or bigots and if I feel offended by something people say I will let them know that. I will also think they’re a piece of shit for what they say & believe, but do I have that right? I know I can be offended on a personal level, but is it ok for me to condemn them? Again…idk. And I’m not talking about how we judge dumb beeyotches on tv around here, because come on, that’s just Holy but I mean really judge & condemn someone for their beliefs and religion? Do we have that right & does it make us better people for saying homophobes are pieces of shit that should be killed? It’s a very slippery slope that I don’t think will ever be solved, but this convo is causing me to pause and actually think about what I believe in and I FLOVE that! At least the Glass House has been good for something to me other than waiting on BB to start.

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    itchy
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Well, she doesn’t have the right to use her belief system in order to deprive other people of their rights. Which is exactly what she has done by voting for Prop 8. I’m sure we can agree on that!

    And I’m just conjecturing otherwise — like I said, the only Mormons I’ve come across are those annoying proselytizers (they’re everywhere, like cockroaches…). I’m just assuming we haven’t seen all of that conversation or what precipitated it.

    I can only imagine how pissed off I’d be if I was locked in a house with someone who admitted to seeing me as a second-class citizen (which is exactly what Andrea did).

    Anyhoo… It’s pretty well-known around these parts that I’m not exactly patient with religion and especially so-called religious people who go on reality television shows to tout their particular brand of wishful thinking . But I do support everyone’s right to believe whatever they wish to believe. I just wish they would only do it in private, that’s all.

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    Sugarbush
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    I love that my recap comments have turned into a debate on morality. lol

    I do have to join in to say that I didn’t see anything wrong or hateful with Jeff’s comment about the fly killing until the gay conversation with Andrea. There’s a lot we don’t see, so I think that there was already stuff brewing. I had no clue. It seemed funny to me at that moment. He did attack her and I don’t think it was right at all, but I do also understand that he’s in a special position. I’m a white, heterosexual woman. I have no idea what it’s like to be a gay man, but I do realize that it is not always an easy life to live. So, I can see having a chip on your shoulder about religious types. It does bother me to have someone look at everyone who has religion as automatically being judgmental or whatever, because it’s not true for me. I stopped attending my church because there was a sermon that was based on “Born This Way”. I mean, a Lady Gaga song. Really? It turned church into a place to have a political discussion. It really bothered me and it totally skewed that song into something it isn’t…or at least into something less than what it really is. Church is not a place for political discussions. It should be a place to better yourself and open your heart – not the other way around.

    The entire Mormon community is not bad. I’m very close to the Mormon community as I have some Mormon friends, used to work for a Mormon company, and my husband has worked for a Mormon company for 5 years now. There is good and bad just as there is anywhere else – both in the religious and non-religious groups. I make fun of the Mormons in my recap, because it’s fun. But, I also make fun of Jeff’s over-the-top gayness, too. I’m a no holds barred kinda’ gal. But, I don’t hate any group of people with the exception of those who force their ideals on others. Was voting for Prop 8 wrong? On a global scale, hell yes. But, was it wrong to Andrea? No. It doesn’t make it right, but it does make sense. We can’t force her to believe that it’s OK to be gay just as much as she can’t force anyone else to believe that it’s not.

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    fancyface
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    @Itchy…I am LOVING you!

    Ok…”Well, she doesn’t have the right to use her belief system in order to deprive other people of their rights. Which is exactly what she has done by voting for Prop 8. I’m sure we can agree on that!”

    ABSOLUTELY! I’ve made that point several times! I think the people that came up with that nonsense and anyone who voted for it is what’s wrong with this country today! Denying anyone the same rights that we believed we are ‘entitled’ to is not only disgusting, but that’s saying straight people are inferior and have every right to dictate what other people do, which they do not.

    Now on the other hand…you saying people should practice their religion in private…I can never get with even though so many people agree with you. To me that’s another form of censorship and that’s not ok with me either. I equate that to saying that people should only express their sexuality in private. Are you saying you can be openly gay but not openly religious? If so, what’s the difference?

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    Miss Molly
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    After Stephanie’s revelation about losing her husband I so wanted someone to ask if he died from melorheostosis. (bonus points if you get that reference)

    Andrea to Gene “I know you were born black but that doesn’t mean you have to act on it. Sheesh.”

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    fancyface
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    @Miss Molly…How exactly do you ‘act on’ being black? That comparison is a stretch (to say the least) if I’ve ever seen one.

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    itchy
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    There’s a huge difference between one’s sexual orientation and one’s choice of religion. I’m openly straight, not because I choose to be, but because I was born that way. I try not to rub it in people’s faces (well, not in everyone’s face, heh heh) but I just happen to be straight. I didn’t choose this.

    And of course, I don’t have sex in public and I have no desire to see others do this either.

    And there’s your difference right there. Being “gay in public” means nothing — unless of course you’re talking about public sexual behavior. But I doubt there’s all that much desire for that in the gay community either. Otherwise, I can’t see how someone’s sexual orientation should have any real effect on me and my freedom.

    So why do so-called religious people feel they should have some special right to thrust their religiosity on the rest of us? Especially when it comes to manipulating and even poisoning the political situation for their own benefit. And especially since religion is a choice. No one is born religious. That is something that’s shoved on you as a child and something you choose to maintain or abandon as an adult. (Note: I’m using the you plural here, this is not a personal attack on anyone in particular)

    I really don’t mind if you walk around being “christian,” or “muslim” or “jewish” or whatever myth you choose to follow, if that’s your thing. And if you choose to wear a cross or force your womenfolk to wear a full bodysuit or shave their heads and wear wigs, well, that’s your choice too (although not exactly hers, obviously).

    It’s when you start insisting that everyone else listen to your brand of silliness — and worse, that we have to obey nonsensical and discriminatory laws and legislation based on your brand of superstition — that I resist. If you must have sex, do it in private (and by private — I also mean within your church or whatever community you’ve chosen to be part of. Religion is, after all, really only about community).

    Just as I don’t mind if you walk around being “gay” or “straight”, whether openly or not. So if that means wanting to hold hands with or — gasp — even marry someone you love, well that’s fine. As long as you’re not forcing everyone else to hold your hand and marry you, we’re all good.

    And please, yes, keep your sex lives private. Well, most of you.

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    itchy
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Oh, and fancyface, prior to the civil rights movement, a lot of people in the States did indeed believe there was a way to “act on being black”. For example, at one time, a lot of people thought the best way to “act black” was by being a slave. And more recently, a lot of people felt the best way to “act black” was to be segregated from the rest of the country, deprived of the right to vote and equal access to education.

    Which is why the whole Mormon idea of “not acting” on one’s sexuality is so galling.

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    Doug
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    I don’t understand WHY it was so important for Jefferey to be able to bring Andrea to his way of thinking on the gay marriage issue. Like it or not, MOST Americans oppose gay marriage, so Andrea wasn’t really being all that extreme in her opinions on the issue. She never expressed the kind of hatred towards Jefferey that he did towards her. Jefferey was simply being a bully to Andrea, exhibiting the same kind of behavior towards her (and Mormons in general) that he accused her of doing. She did nothing wrong, she has a right to her opinion, Jefferey has a right to his opinion, Jefferey was the only one getting hostile about it. I’m not saying that I agree with Andrea, not at all, BUT I respect her right to have her own opinion and her own faith and unlike many of the postings I’ve read here, I don’t believe the Mormon faith is any more extreme than any other Christian faith. Why the hostility towards Christians – that’s a form of bigotry after all!

    Whether or not you agree with the views of Mormons or other Christian denominations does NOT make them a “hate group” like the KKK or the Nazis! That is truly ludicrous, can someone provide some evidence of mass murders committed by Mormons like has happened with the KKK and the Nazis? To make this comparison only trivializes the horrors of the KKK lynchings of black people and the Nazis mass extermination of Jewish people. And if you think the Christian faith is hostile towards gays, at least they don’t propose the murder of gays like the faith of Islam does. It would be politically incorrect to criticize the latter faith but it is downright fashionable to bash Christianity.

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    fancyface
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    @Itchy…What you’re describing is being a zealot not ‘religious’ & now I get it. When you said believe what you want to believe, just do it in private, it threw me off & your wearing a cross & holding hands analogy is exactly what I meant.

    Now..the acting black thing. You saying prior to the cr movement is much different than talking about current times. I know the difference between what people ‘use’ to think being black meant & what they think it is today. If she would’ve made that comment back then, it still wouldn’t be okay in my eyes, but I’d get it. To say now that ‘acting on being black’ is equivalent to some one saying act on gay tendencies is a bit much. WTF does that mean? Does the color of my skin dictate the way I act or the actions I take? Acting on being gay in her eyes is having a homosexual relationship. What does acting on being black mean?

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    AmyOops
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Can’t bring myself to read the novellas that followed these, however…

    @itchy and Mr. D: Right ON! Never stop defending equality…not tolerance…EQUALITY. You guys rock

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    Sugarbush
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    All right, everyone. Take a deep breath. We’re all getting worked up over a horrible show.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    As a gay Black woman with a club foot, don’t nobody do minority like I do.

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    itchy
    Posted July 5, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    Fancyface, I’m just pointing out that people’s attitudes toward and treatment of homosexuals today is comparable to their treatment of blacks (and Jews and the Irish, for that matter) yesterday.

    Discrimination is discrimination, whether it results in mass murder or ‘merely’ depriving people of their equal rights (although the untold numbers of people who have been beaten and even murdered because they were gay suggests that there is nothing “merely” about this issue).

    And the analogy to Nazi Germany and the Jim Crow era is apt — Prop 8 is an example of the institutionalization of bigotry and discrimination. In simple terms, in all these instances, the government, the military/police and the laws of the land are being used to enact and enforce policies that clearly deprive a minority of their equality.

    As for the majority of Americans being against gay marriage: this is probably untrue (and Prop 8 passed only because of the massive intervention by the Mormons, which included financing a propaganda campaign based on lies and untruths that helped sway the vote).

    But regardless, if democracy stands for anything, it stands for resisting the will of majority and for protecting the interests of its minorities. This was true when the government ended the NINA days, the anti-semitic policies, the Jim Crow laws. This was true when women (who are not a minority but still) were finally given the right to vote. And this will be true when the government strikes down all laws discriminating against people because of their sexual orientation.

    And then, maybe, we’ll finally have a true democracy.

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    thespiral
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 8:35 am

    As fun as it is to try to solve all the world’s problems in the comments section of a reality show recap, we’re not getting the full story here. It seems like the Jeffrey/Andrea confrontation was brewing long before the inevitable blowup, and the version we’re seeing is HIGHLY edited. The producers already knew what they were doing drama-wise when they put a flamboyant gay man in the house with a devout Mormon housewife, and it’s a given that they a) instigated the confrontation somehow, and b) edited their interactions to make both of them look as ridiculous as possible.

    Also, I completely understand Jeffrey’s anger at Andrea – it’s not really a “live and let live, agree to disagree” issue when your personal civil rights are at stake. However, I think his subsequent campaign to oust Andrea and the way he framed it (“a vote for Andrea is a vote for equality!”) were 100% game play. He came in with the flamethrower dialed up to 11 (prancing around in lipstick and feather boas, COME ON) and has been using his sexuality for strategic leverage ever since. I’m not knocking him for that – hundreds of reality show contestants have done that, including a few on this show (*ahem* Joy) – but let’s not pretend like this is about some massive symbolic civil rights struggle. It’s about keeping his alliance member Erica in the house longer so he can maybe stick around and win some money. I have no doubt he feels passionate about Prop 8 in his private life, but this is a game and people will exploit any weakness they can to win.

    Plus, reality show producers have been doing this “Flaming homo + Bible banger = DRAMA!” nonsense for 20 years now. It’s amazing that people still take it seriously and launch off into angry political debates when it’s really about RATINGS.

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    thespiral
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Also, I’m invoking Godwin’s Law here – as soon as the Nazis are mentioned, the debate has officially jumped the goddamn shark.

    *flouncing my queer ass out of the room*

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    Daniel
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 8:53 am

    sarcasatire: “As a gay Black woman with a club foot, don’t nobody do minority like I do.”

    As a straight white man with normal feet, I insist you seek out Jesus, Michael Jackson’s dermatologist and Dr. Sholl’s inserts.

    And just to be safe………that was sarcasm. No hate-mail please.

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    fancyface
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 9:00 am

    @thespiral…Here’s the thing…sometimes around these parts our comments on reality dumbassess leads to real life discussions. Some of us like it & some don’t. I personally got something out of the convo Itchy & I were having so I’m thankful we had the discussion. I know that’s not what we come here for, but a little enlightening never hurts anyone so mocking a discussion about such a serious issue, while it is your right, is a little offensive to me. But to each it’s own.

    Other than that….I COMPLETELY agree with everything you said about the J/A sich. I said the exact same thing. It’s not about his rights as much as it is about his game. He’s using a heavy issue to his benefit and therefore has lost any affection I had for him. It was quite disgusting imo.

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    fancyface
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 9:02 am

    @Daniel…Thank goodness for your disclaimer at the end because…..*major side eye for ignorant comment* was staring death rays @ your avatar!

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    carol
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 9:43 am

    I found a recap of the live feeds on another site. I’m not sure what happened first, what we saw or what is recapped. Here’s what I remember.

    All the house guests had to sit around while the viewers got to pick what they should talk about. They had two choices: most romantic moment or equality/gay marriage (*sidenote: by even having the second choice makes me think this happened after what we saw, I don’t think the producers would have selected equality if it already wasn’t discussed in the house and they new it would be a hot button issue*). Viewers selected romance. After they all finished telling their story, the LadyComputer told them that the viewers were bored and wanted to hear them talk about equality/gay rights. (*side note – I am pretty sure they actually don’t have enough online viewers for this type of thing, so this was the producers interfering to try and get more footage for the next episode, by the house guests ‘talking’ about this, it sets this show apart from Big Brother.*) Jeffery started picking on Andrea again. Then there was some actual discussion by a couple of them. But whenever anyone noticed that someone wasn’t talking, they were accused of being anti-gay and had to prove they weren’t. It really sounded like a couple of other house guests are anti-gay marriage but they avoided being singled out by letting Andrea take the fall simply because she is Mormon. It all sounded very high school, aka good for tv ratings. At one point Jeffery and Andrea did hug and agree not to discuss it while they were in the house. It should be interesting how it will be edited for the next episode.

    Also, the producers 100% picked Andrea and Jeffery hoping this would happen. In Andrea’s photos she submitted was one of her, her husband and children at a pro-prop 8 rally, all holding signs.

    Just found the recap again: http://www.abctheglasshouse.com/glass-house-live-stream-jeffrey-calls-andrea-a-hypocrite-and-an-idiot/

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    itchy
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Oh, I’m not angry, just think it’s an interesting subject of discussion. Andrea’s on the losing side of history anyway. And yes, Jeffrey’s a dork.

    I’m also concerned that there are douchebags in the world who call themselves “Apollo Poetry” and “Primetime 99 Alex Stein.”

    Why aren’t there laws to prevent this?

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    fancyface
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 10:54 am

    @Carol…Everything you said & the reason why I clicked on that link went out of the window when I read this:

    “Mike says a guy did something romantic for him, he bought him some shoes and told him to dress up to go see a play. After the play the guy wanted to snuggle in the car, so he did because he had bought him shoes.”

    WTF? I honestly forgot what I was there for. I have no idea what I was going to say about your comment because I can’t get past that little gem lol.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 11:04 am

    “As a gay Black woman with a club foot, don’t nobody do minority like I do.”

    No worries about the sarcasm, @Daniel, I tossed in a bit of my own! My statement above was an attempt at humor..only two of those descriptions are true. But that doesn’t mean I’m a stranger to Dr. Sholl’s inserts…;)

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    thespiral
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 11:05 am

    @ fancyface -

    I’m sorry if you were offended, I wasn’t intending to mock your discussion with Itchy! In fact, I wasn’t even reading that specific discussion when I made my comment. My mockery is aimed primarily at reality show producers who fall back on this tired “gays vs. Christians” trope over and over to cause controversy and boost ratings. To be honest, I don’t get into impassioned arguments over social issues on forums for silly shows like this one, because they never seem to lead anywhere and usually just descend into insults and Hitler references (and I’ve seen it happen over and over). But if you’re getting something valuable out of it, hey, no judgment here.

    I have strong opinions on this topic too; I just don’t think these two assclowns are ideal representatives of either the gay OR religious communities, and I can’t take this kind of cynical, ratings-driven, highly edited shit stirring seriously.

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    fancyface
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 11:07 am

    @Itchy…Here freaking Here! As soon as he said “My name is Apollo Poetry” I said “Bloody fucking hell..here we go”.

    And interesting story: My oldest son plays football & I guess his position is the same one Deion Sanders held & they have similar game play or whatever. So everyone at his high school started calling him Prime’Time (in middle school they called him T.O..don’t even get me started on that shit) & the first time I heard it I think I said “oh hell to the nawl” or something really eloquent like that. I sat him down to explain why nicknames like that made him an instadouche, but he didn’t get it & I gave up but I shouted at anyone I ever heard call him that. Cut to me making his senior year & football shirts…I sent a design to the cutter that said Prime’Time 22 without even blinking & as I was laying it out on the heat press I actually paused to read it & screamed “Oh FOR FUCKS SAKE what the hell have I become”. I have been traumatized every since & as soon as Alex said PrimeTime 99 I knew I’d sunk to a new low & would never be able to look at myself in the mirror again.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 11:15 am

    PrimeTime Fancyface
    making me smile up in dis place!

    See, as a show of solidarity, we can be corny together.

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    fancyface
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 11:16 am

    @Spiral…No worries hon. I don’t want this an issue but to me it wasn’t so much a debate on who’s right or wrong as it was me trying to figure out why people, and even myself, felt the way they did.

    And you’re right! From the looks of that recap that Carol posted, it was definitely more to that convoluted argument so there you go. It’s just like the live feed viewers knowing the difference between what’s REALLY going down in the BB house & the b.s edited shit we regular viewers get to see on tv. I thought the live feeds were going to be lame producer viewer driven games showing how much ‘fun’ the house is, but it seems like some interesting shit actually does go down.

    Can we talk about the Mike romantic story comment? Seriously, WTF! Is he gay or was he joking or…what? What the hell? lol..I CAN’T with these people!

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    fancyface
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 11:26 am

    @Sac

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    sarcasatire
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Haha!!! I love it!

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    thespiral
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Basically, people who ALREADY support Prop 8 are going to think Andrea’s a victim of a horrible personal attack, and people who ALREADY support gay rights are going to think Jeffrey is just passionately defending his identity. Nobody’s minds are going to be changed here.

    And cynical assholes like me are going to point out that they’re both full of shit and a team of cynical producers are using actual social issues to push viewer’s buttons for ratings, just like they’ve been doing since reality TV was invented.

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    thespiral
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    @ fancyface -

    I think Mike is trolling hard…both the dead bunny story and the gay story sounded like a big fakeroo to me. But then again, I’ve watched too much reality TV and it ALL sounds fake to me at this point!

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    fancyface
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    @thespiral….I too thought that bunny story was bullshit & couldn’t understand what he was trying to achieve by making up such a horrible story. On the other hand, I’m thinking..you can’t make that shit up. But people never cease to amaze me with their levels of depravity so who knows. Plus he thinks because he’s in his late 40s or early 50s he’s about to die so he’s clearly crazy or terminally ill. Either way, he’s a weird little fucker.

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    itchy
    Posted July 6, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Like I’ve said before, I get the feeling all the people on the Glass House are actors hired to play roles. None of them seem genuine. It all seems extremely fake. Just like this whole “viewers decide” crap. I seriously doubt any of that. It’s just the producers having fun.

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    itchy
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 1:11 am

    Who here will continue to watch this show after BB14 starts?

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    sarcasatire
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 2:46 am

    Not I! But they were a good distraction while waiting ’till BB14 starts. Truth be told, I didn’t even know about this show until CBS raised a stink. Ooops! Lawsuits don’t always work in one’s favor. Anyway, I’m still on the lookout for Gene, Erica, or Stephanie to take the prize. Even if I miss the show, I’ll still be checking out the recaps, regardless. Irregardlessly? (See, bimbos throw me off. I blame Joy. Oops! She’s not a tramp, she just posed in Playboy! What would her mother think? Practically everything that comes out of Alex Stein’s mouth! Stripper!)

    Wait, there was a point, wasn’t it? Yea, not sure if I’ll be around once CBS’ glass house is populated. They really up the production value over there. And get more screen time in the process. Even with ‘audience participation’, Glass House won’t get more views because they don’t give us sufficient time to learn about the houseguests so we aren’t invested in who goes home. Two, three times a week is a much better deal than one hour and a website.