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Thursday, October 25, 2012
11:42 am
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There’s something I read once, I can’t remember the name of the book, or even what it was about. It was a sentence said by a self-proclaimed book lover: “I gnaw on books like bones.” Something about that visual has always stuck with me; it speaks to me in a really odd way, but I find myself thinking about it now as I watch Belle discover the cache of treasure inside that locked library.
Anyway, her joy at finding the library is short lived as a RedCapped stranger approaches her and asks if she’s meeting anyone here. Nope.
Good. There will be no one to hear you scream…..but I’ll cover your mouth just in case
In FairyLand the Cap’n and his men have had their fill of drink and are now heading back to the ship. I’m actually surprised that Rumpy didn’t start something with the Cap’n in the bar, instead waiting until he and his crew have left and then “accidentally” bumping into him. As expected Killian takes offense to being bumped with no apology offered, first calling him a gutter rat, but then changing his mind, saying Rumpy looks more like a crocodile. Get it? CROCODILE. OY.
Never smile at a crocodile
All of the crews’ laughter dies down once they see that they’ve been mocking the dark one.
Um…….we was just joshing ya…..friends?
HA! Rumpy asks how Milah is but Killian doesn’t know who Rumpy is talking about. Or does he? Rumpy tells him he’s only too happy to dig out the memory, but the thing is it does get a little messy. Killian tells Rumpy that Milah actually died some time ago, but that doesn’t get him off the hook. He challenges Killian to a duel at dawn. And if he’s a no show, Rumpy will gut his crew like de fish.
Back in Storybrooke, Rumpy has stopped by Snow’s place to ask Charming for his help. As you might imagine, helping Rumpy is not high on Charming’s list of things to do, but Rumpy appeals to Charming’s feelings, how he misses his wife and child, and so Charming agrees to help him find Belle.
It must be dawn in FairyLand because the time has come for the Killlian and Rumpy Smackdown Event. Rumpy tosses him a beat up sword to use but Killian declines, preferring to use his own. Trouble with that is Rumpy’s already taken it because the thought of killing him with his own sword was just too delicious.
The duel begins ad Cap’n Killian is holding his own even with Rumpy cheating and using magic. Until his sword breaks off. Uh oh. I guess this is it.
STOP!!
Milah is alive?!? I have to admit, I did not see that one coming.
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is’nt it just like a woman..Milah….to leave a good man for a dashing guy who’ll only want her for one thing….they never learn…!!!
looks like we’re going to have a showdown one day with mother witch and daughter witch…nice!!!!
HAS ANYONE SEEN PETER PAN??? where is that boy!!!!
“Oh! Isn’t this amazing? It’s my favorite because you’ll see. Here’s where she meets Prince Charming. But she won’t discover that it’s him till chapter three.”
I love how Belle filled this episode was, and that they kept her love of books and the “Beast” giving her a library. I want someone to give me a library. The only problem with me wanting to become librarian, is the possible of getting fired, for being found hiding in a corner reading instead of working.
It shows how into Peter Pan I am, it didn’t even cross my mind that the guy in the red hat, was Smee.
I just realized this episode might be the reason, I suddenly wanted to be a pirate for Halloween.
Part of me keeps waiting for the writers to drop ball when it comes to weaving the stories together. But they just keep getting better and better.
Oh, I watched the first episode of this anime called Read or Die a while ago, it’s based on an anime movie by the same name. It’s about these 3 sisters who can control paper. And 2 of the sister were bibliophiles and ever inch of their apartment was covered in books. And my only thought watching was how amazing it would be to live in an apartment filled completely with books.
So, I am assuming that everyone has seen the previews for the next episode, so by now everyone should know who Dr Whale is. I scared the Mr with my squeal of “that is why he is named Whale! How didn’t I see it?” If you haven’t yet, I suggest you Google the filmography of one James Whale, specifically around the year 1931. Happy Halloween, everyone!
@Miss Maria THANK YOU! I was completely lost on the connection. Going Whale? What does Whale have to do with #($&#*(??? So thank you. Never would have figured it out.
@sagittariuskim Right there with you on the waiting for the ball to drop on the weaving. I keep thinking it will all unravel.
Wasn’t a big fan of this episode. Wish we’d spent some time in the Enchanted Forest (Present).
Am I the only one who’s starting to feel bad for Rumpy? First his son leaves him (okay, so he was supposed to go down the rabbit hole with him but still…) and then his wife leaves him? (okay, so she goes with the Hotty Hook, but again…)
So, since we now know who Whale is, my new mystery is who was the guy in the city?
I’m half surprised they revealed Whale in the scene (I’m not sure if it’d be spoilery to say who he is) but I also understand that it IS going to be the halloween episode and a couple things Whale has done now make sense.
I LOVE that Rumpy is the crocodile but I was surprised by how little focus there really was on Hook. I felt like we didn’t actually learn anything about him aside from that he stole Rumpy’s awful wife and how he got to Neverland. Oh, and that he’s working with the lady that gives Mommy Dearest a whole new level of mommy issues. But I really loved getting more about Belle and seeing her still be as headstrong as ever. The scene between her and Rumpy in the library got me misty eyed.
“Have you…ever had a hamburger?”
With the preview of next week’s episode and focus, I think we’re going to be Snowless again for another week. The only problem with this three vein system is that only two veins can really be addressed every episode with the third non existent or briefly shown.
Alice: I want Peter and Wendy to show up so bad! Milah was selfish and cruel. She not only treated her kind and hard working husband miserably but then she leaves without her kid and without any explanation for him. AWFUL!
SagKim: I’m with you on the Belle front. I’m really excited how true to form they’re playing some characters.
LBOH: I always feel bad for Rumpy. He really is a tragic figure more than an evil one. But I’m loving the growth in his character too. He and Belle in the library showed a real leap in his personal development.
I’m still holding on to the notion that the City-Man is Bae. I think the note he got is from August and he helped raise August while he was growing up. We find out more about him in next weeks episode I believe. At least he’s scheduled to make an appearance.
I have to say I was kind of disappointed that Hook’s backstory was about love….every single character doesn’t need that to be their main motivation…why can’t he just be evil? Or have a unique reason for being so? I dunno, I feel they are overusing it…it made Grumpy grumpy, Regina into an evil bitch, broke the curse, was the reason Rumpy created the curse in the first place, it’s the reason Hook in seeking revenge..etc.
He is definitely eye candy though.
I’m wondering if the promos are meant to throw us off…I don’t see how they could be, because it seems so blatant, but I’m hesitant to believe them for that exact reason. Once likes to keep things secret and twisty so I don’t see why they would completely give away Whale’s identity. That said, it makes a lot of sense! We’ll have to see.
Sheeee-wah? I’m between lost and I don’t care.I don’t think Hook is hot-tto much eye-liner-and I absolutely loathe white shorts as a fashionnchoice for men. But-and I’mnot the slightest bit embarrassed to say this so far,by far,the most attractive or intriguing man is Rumpy. Hubba Hubba. What a smile-a little Proactive and a good hat with a brim and he’s good to go.
Oh Sheriff Graham…If there’s a character to [insert next week's episode theme] it’s him!!!
Ah yes, Whale revealed…It’s inter-esting…I feel like the writers were laughing manically when they made up his character just to annoy us…Pun intended ;-P
@WendyBird: Did you clap when Rumpel said “Tik Tok, dearie” because I did.
And then I giggled a lot because I love how Rumpel is the Beast and his own story and now the crocodile. Maybe he’s the Queen if Hearts lol! Kidding! I’m not sure it’s Cora anymore but I go back and forth, I can’t imagine why Cora would be so willing to let Regina take her father out of Wonderland when now she’s hellbent on revenge!
I feel like Cora is too full if herself and she’s going to have a magic malfunction when she’s in Storybrooke and that’s how Regina will get the upper hand! But that battle is sure to be full of epic ness. OMG what if one of their spells hit some unknown girl in Storybrooke and she loses her voice and that’s how we meet Ariel!!! And then Cora like Rumpel would also be Ursula!!! Just spiraling off of that it would be funny if Flounder was Nemo because they have to find him!!!
@Sagi: It’s so funny that that’s the part of the song you typed because when Rumpel and Hook were dueling I was like this show needs one description: “Far off places, magic spells, a prince in disguise!” The library part is THE MOST romantic part in Beauty and the Beast! I love that it makes sense that the library was locked up just like Belle was!
It’s cute that Belle calls him Rumpel.
When Ruby said “No worries” I was like Hey!!! It’s Hakuna Matata!
Anyway, Hook was awesome! I wonder why the curse didn’t take him, any theories on that?
I’m surprised Milah had a heart. She went off to be a pirate princess Isabelle Swan-style, she was also a whiny bitch who needed to stop being so selfish. Rumpel may be a coward but Milah was a Class A skankwhore! Poor Bae.
Speaking of jerky people Maurice should be locked up for 28 years and maybe be slapped around a bit. Emma may WANT to nominate Charming as worst father of the year for abandoning her but I vote Maurice, who does that?! Seriously!!!
Oh Charming! He needs to wear that jacket less often. No, he needs to wear less clothes more often!
Mystery Man and August look to be about the same age so I don’t see how one could have raised the other but I could see why August could have sent it. I feel like that’s too obvious (but who am I to judge I had this whole elaborate idea who Whale could be but now it makes sense).
I think the promos made it pretty explicit who Dr. Whale is, not much trickery there! But that makes me think there’s a bigger reveal than that in the next episode…Ooo what could it be?!
We’re getting some Jefferson next week, how exciting!!!
I missed Snow and Emma and Regina but I think this episode was very important…We know that several major villains are gunning for Storybrooke and some of our favorite characters (King George, Cora and Hook). More importantly Ruby mentioned her heightened sense of smell…Gotta appreciate foreshadowing!
Now about that magic bean, “charming” they would bring it up, but seriously give it back to Jack! He’s probably in the general area they’re headed…Maybe? We’ll just have to wait to find out about that golden goose egg!
@iwantadventure Haha! The only reason I wrote that part is because it’s my favorite part of that song and the only reason I like it. Well it and the triplets’ part. My favorite song is Something There. That’s another reason why I love Belle and why Beauty and Beast is my favorite Disney movie. They don’t fall in love in an hour. We see their relationship slowly build. I mean I don’t hate movies and books where the characters fall in love instantly. If I did I wouldn’t love fairy tales or like Twilight, but sometimes it’s nice to a relationship grow.
So I’m listening to a bunch a Disney songs right now. Right now Hellfire is playing (my favorite villain song) and started wondering if Once would do a Hunchback of Notre Dame. It would be amazing if they did. It’s just to bad Tony Jay is no longer here.
to a bunch of* Disney songs. Sorry for all the comments.
Ahhhhhhhh–hellloooooooo Sheriff….sigh….and yes on your best eyeliner laden day you Capt Hook are not our beloved Hottypants…..ok–will read now
Awsomeness Pottykins–where to dig in?????
Lets start with a theory (a theory is a wish your heart makes)—could Bae be Peter Pan?????
And a question–has this season gotten a little more adult in language and content??? AM catching some “hells” and “damns” and the scene with Milah becoming the boat wench–not very Disney. AND Bella and Rumpy presumably sharing a bed. Maurice is very …..angry, vengeful, intense. I am digressing of course. I love this show so much I refer to it as The Show.
I squeed and teared when Belle got the library key——that would be a dream for me: The whole library to myself and reading books, talking about books etc. Her face told it all. I hope she and Red form a little friendship–town needs some more asskickin’ gals.
@3 Miss Maria– coolness–will google. I love the novel Frankenstein-so this episode should really keep me on the edge of my chair–he is either the Creature or Victor F.
@ 6 Wendy– do you think Bae is one of the Lost Boys????
@ 9 I want—Cora’s power may lead the characters to a final showdown where they all will help Regina battle Cora and return some order to StoryBrooke
Andrea: I’m with you! They made Hook kind of a softy to me…Not nearly as menacing as Hook should be but he could improve…However most fairytales are spurred on by some sort of love or love-loss so I see why it’s being used.
Adventure: I squealed. It might have been the second hard apple cider talking but I was SO excited for it. I was worried we wouldn’t see Tik Tok and yet they gave it in spades. Rump’s taking the spot of some of my absolute favorite fairytale characters and I love it!
I’ve always been on the fence about Cora being the Queen of Hearts, originally because I figured she was dead but now with her being in the far off section of Fairytale-land I have to wonder how she’d have gotten back and forth? Perhaps she’s an old enemy of Cora’s and stole her husband out of spite? I can’t wait for the new wonderland episode for answers!
I’m wondering if maybe Cora is the reason the curse didn’t touch that part. Maybe she counteracted it but didn’t expect time to freeze there? Or she knew of the prophecy from Rumpy? Hmmmmmm…..
Milah was absolutely horrid. You had a good husband who may not be the best man in the village but he was working to provide for you and your son while you sit in a pub all day. Then when so smarmy pirate comes into your bar and tells you about killing people you up and leave without a word to anyone. Then you get pissed off when you meet your husband again and he’s clearly still hurt by what you did.
The mystery man and august are probably pretty close, but I can see one being a few years older (like Bae’s age vs. August when they were taken) I just can’t see who else the mystery man could be if no one can travel from Storybrooke. But I think I’m trying to solve a puzzle when I don’t have all the pieces. We wont get a shot of the the mystery man again until next week.
Ruby is going to have her own episode this season! I’m guessing it’s going to be about her lycanthropy and if it’s now going to start working with magic and all being back. Since no one can leave…..they’re all pretty stuck.
Cawfee: Maybe. I don’t know! I’d err on the side of no since he never seemed to leave his father’s side until he was transported to the world without magic, which means he’d never meet Peter and the other boys.
I wonder if it was possible for Regina (or Rumpy) to pick and choose who was left behind? Although I don’t see why they’d leave behind some of the other characters like Mulan, both Hook and Cora were presumably in different worlds and ended up stranded in the same one when the curse hit. And Rumpy and Regina had reason not to want them to follow.
Have you guys seen the pictures of Emma and the mystery man in her flashback episode? Where we are supposed to learn more about Henry’s father? I’m guessing people were probably right in thinking Bae might be Henry’s father! He’s at the very least a character from that realm somehow, because of the note he received. I agree, it must have been from August, since he, Emma, and Henry were the only ones who had been outside of Storybrooke, no one else would know where he was….
@ hot cawfee: I have been thinking the same thing as you about Bae being Peter Pan. Glad to know I’m not the only one with that thought.
I really dislike The Hunchback of Notre Dame, I have no interest in seeing it in OUAT, I’d rather see Tarzan lol!
@Hot Cawfee: I love that this season is a little more saucy. Milah as a pirate wench really sent that idea home. I mean I had a few Jack Sparrow moments during the episode like when the bean was so obviously not in Hook’s hand I was like “Pirate!” Because that explains everything. But even the line “I’ve had the wives of many men”…However, we did have Graham and Regina sleeping with each other so it’s not as if the show is entirely chaste I think it’s just more noticeable because they blurred the line between the two personalities of those in Storybrooke. And I agree about Maurice, I actually despise him. And since we’re talking about it it looks like Dr. Whale is Viktor, since Daniel is intertwined in that plot and assumes the other role.
Rumpel found the curse and manipulated it to land everyone in Storybrooke because that is the world Bae is in. My friend and I tried to think through the time frame and it’s difficult but we believe Bae went to our world about 10 years before Emma. That would put him at 28 around the time Emma was 18 and make him about 38 now, which the Mystety Man could definitely be. Remember Rumpel brought Henry to Storybrooke so he has connections with the outside world. Anyway, I really think Henry sent the Mystery Man that note. He found Emma and I have no doubt he would attempt to find his father, especially if he was in contact with the man, he’d know what that means. And as far his past goes if he is Bae, the story Henry told would make sense to him, unlike even Emma who took a lot of convincing.
Can order really be restored to Storybrooke? I’m not so sure. However, I get the sense that Aurora and Mulan might go with Snow and Emma when they find the portal(perhaps Rumpel can help them bring a soul back?!), so I love the idea that Storybrooke is forced to band behind Regina, what an excellent time to see Henry and/or Emma exhibit magic!
I think Hook’s character makes sense, yes he was soft but we saw that he’s capable of love just like Rumpel. There’s a soul under that tough skin. I mean I think Hook deserved what he got and Milah antagonized Rumpel to the breaking point when she couldn’t come up with a good excuse for abandoning Bae because if nothing else Bae was innocent in this and he suffered greatly. I feel like we skinned the surface of Hook. We saw what made him Hook and we’re about to see him lure Emma into a trap. The question is will he be able to resist her? Emma is no wench but she’s curious and I feel like Hook will be intrigued, perhaps he’ll play both the good and evil side until he comes face to face with Rumpel and is forced to choose between revenge and Emma…I love that he’s a regular so I have hope for more from his character.
New theory, perhaps Tinkerbell is a kid?
@WendyBird: Mmmm hard apple cidar! I’m glad that you’re unsure about the Queen of Hearts, that would make sense if it was an enemy of Cora’s because Regina taking him back is a big difference from Cora and the Queen, whoever she is would be okay with that…Hmmm…Now I wonder if we’ve met this Queen yet and who she could be…Whoever she is Regina started her own heart collection.
Cora is definitely the reason that area of FairyTale Land wasn’t touched. However, wherever Cora was she went to FairyTale Land in the hopes of being taken with the curse, obviously that’s not what happened and it seems since then she and Hook have figured out they need a portal to enact their revenge. Cora and Maurice should hang out, I can tolerate Cora a lot more but the end of that episode proved how much her daughter was just an object for Cora to abuse and manipulate, Cora wanted power, Regina wanted companionship. I wonder if Regina can have children. I mean time stood still so it’s not like Graham could have gotten her pregnant but like she chose a child over a relationship, it’s interesting. Anyway, MOMMY DEAREST GOES TO CORA!
@Andrea: I doubt they were able to pick and choose. Snow was definitely taken because that was the whole point of the curse for Regina. Rumpel manipulated it to take them to our world so I think maybe those circumstances prevented people with other vendettas to travel to Storybrooke. I mean you could say that King George slipped through that crack but I get the sense that he didn’t know that Emma was born and that his curse was broken until he knew he was King George and realized who Henry is. The curse didn’t exactly make it easy for anyone. And bringing Cora and Hook to Storybrooke would have been too easy.
I’m excited for the Mystery Man but I have a bit of a bone to pick with the pics of Emma. This is apparently pre-Henry Emma and she just doesn’t look that young.
Question, can someone refresh my memory on the magical essence of the number 8(the o’clock, Emma was 18, she would break the curse at 28, etc.) I know the magical properties of the number 7 but I can’t remember if the 8 business in OUAT was ever discussed.
I don’t think it’s possible for Bae to be Peter Pan in the traditional, Neverland sense….his bean should not have taken him to Neverland, because there’s magic there, and he wanted to go somewhere with no magic. Plus, the Neverland bean was blue and Bae’s was green.
I would live if he was Peter Pan though, because it would be so poetic.
Hook gets screwed over by Rumple in one land and runs to another one to plot his revenge, only to find himself bedeviled by Rumple’s offspring. Yass.
I can kind of understand Milah’s point of view. I love me some Rumple, but if I had to choose between the tall, smoldering, swashbuckling gorgeousness that is Hook and the simpering mouse-like weakling that Rumple was….wellll…the choice is pretty clear.
And she gave him a chance. She wanted to travel and see other places, and she told him that.
There was no reason to even stay in that village either, because everyone there made fun of their family. Of course she’s gonna sit in the pub all day and get drunk…what else is she gonna do? Go to the market, so people can talk bad about her and try to sell her rotten fruit at exorbitant prices? Try to hang out with the other village women while they shun her and laugh at her? Stay in the house all day? Naw son…the pub was the only place to be. The pub, or another village.
But he was too scared to leave, the same way that he was too scared to fight for anything ever in life.
It’s hard to want to be with a man who is not a man…and let’s be real. Pre-Dark One Rumple was not a man. He was a eunuch with all the bits still attached. He provided for her and Bae, but his spirit was not a man’s spirit. Hook’s was, even if he was smarmy and mean.
And it’s not like they were just bumping uglies…Hook and she were in love. And if nothing else, Once Upon a Time teaches you that love is a horrible, life-ruining thing that sucks up everyone at one point or another. lol, remember when Red ate her boyfriend accidentally because she loved him and was trying to help him? The writers are so bitter.
AND, please lie and say Milah did not look fabulous as a pirate queen. Her necklace and corset belt were banging. And those pants and boots looked so good on her. Would you pass up the opportunity to wear such an ensemble every day, in favor of some homespun thing? I think not.
The only thing I can’t forgive her for is leaving her son. And for not telling Rumple about her love affair to his face. AND for allowing Hook to make him cry like a little bitch in front of everyone . That was fucked up. Everything else, I understand. And her punishment didn’t fit the crime. He could have just kept her heart like Regina did. That would have been punishment enough, for her to go on her travels and not even be able to really enjoy herself because she had no heart.
He didn’t have to smush it.
That was uncalled for.
Still love him anyways. *cuddles Rumple*
@iwantadventure, I’ve heard that the number 8 is symbolic of things coming full circle. Like, it’s officially where a new thing starts when an old thing has passed away. It’s also an infinity symbol turned sideways, so there’s that.
I know that 8 is suppose to represent success and wealth. And in Chinese culture it’s considered to be a lucky number.
@ChaosButterfly: ROTFLMAO!!! The writers are a bit bitter aren’t they?
I actually agree if Milah had been honest about not being in love with Rumpel and not toyed with his powers and antagonized him Rumpel might have walked away bean in hand and be with Bae now. But she went too far she went from saying that her judgement was clouded to claiming she was haunted by the fact that she abandoned Bae, it was too late for the truth. Choosing Hook was one think. Sticking Rumpel’s nose in the stinking love crap of their affair was just an unnecessary punishment. So Rumpel did something also unnecessary. But didn’t Rumpel react just as badly as Regina did with Graham?! Isn’t it a rash moment of pure anger that drives these characters to physically destroy another human being? And isn’t that the impulse they’re trying to fight now, Rumpel for Belle and Regina for Henry? I think the message is deeper and perhaps not as bitter as it seems. Love takes making sacrifices but I think that without love there isn’t any other emotions. Regina and Rumpel have both been accused of being cold-hearted monsters but both are just completely distraught over their lost loves. They’re not the real monsters and I think that’s the distinction being made. Even Hook because he is capable of loving deeply(allowing a woman to see him in the morning without his eyeliner means it’s serious lol!)cannot be a true villain. But a character like Cora who is after power is the real monster. Power is not a substitute for love, it’s like a drug it takes over your entire life until you’re feeding on it and nothing else.
That’s interesting about the number 8, thanks!
Andrea: I don’t think anyone got to choose who went and stayed because Regina thought Fairytale-land had been destroyed completely. Plus, why would Regina take people like the Blue Fairy or any of the other people that could cause her trouble?
Bae being Henry’s father seems right on target with the way things are inching closer. Plus, I can’t imagine that the writers with all their intricate weaving would just make Henry’s dad some nobody. He has to be someone of importance.
Adventure: I think order is slowly coming together in Storybrooke, people are getting back to their lives, Charming is taking the sheriff role, Regina seems to be minding her business. I think now more than ever, the people stuck in Storybrooke are going to band together, differences aside. The real big bad is going to be if Cora snakes her way through.
I really hope they explain why Whale said “You’re not my prince” based on who we know he is now, cause really, there is no one else he can be judging by the preview.
I’m going to guess Tink is stuck much like the other faeries, granted she’s suppose to really be a pixie.
Hard Apple Cider is my official Once Upon a Time drink of choose. It’s so delightfully wonderful and fitting!
Yeah, I’ve never been big on Cora being the Queen of Hearts and now especially after we see her stuck in that section of the world and that Regina sent her off on her own. I like the idea that she’s someone Cora has wronged, maybe she stole old Henry from the QofH when they were younger? And Regina stole him back because she needed her father to complete the curse. We do know Regina is not all bad because she mourns her fathers death and strives not to do to Henry what her mother did to her.
At least Cora is funny and fun to watch! Maurice was just sad for me, you finally get your daughter back and have a chance to have a real relationship with her but you decide to erase everything wonderful and true about her because you don’t like her slightly evil and sadistic boyfriend? Cora is definitely queen Mommy Dearest, I’m going to LOVE the Regina x Cora reunion.
I love Jennifer Morrison but the blonde hair tends to age her a lot for me. That’s probably why she doesn’t look too young. Anyone got a link for those pictures?!
8 is a lucky number, not to repeat what anyone else has said about 8 but it’s also the symbol of perfect balance and cosmic order in the world. It makes sense that 8 is so prominent with Emma because she is restoring the order, she’s like a divine equalizer. It’s also the number of creativity so maybe the writers are trying to slip that in as well for good luck?
The episode after this week’s is called Tallahassee and is the next appearance of the Mystery Man. I’m guessing this is the episode we find out about Henry’s dad and that the Mystery Man (Bae or Not) is definitely the dad.
I love this show b/c it has a strange way of sucking you in, but sometimes I wish that it was on a network like HBO or something, where they could go a lot darker and have it be less kid/family friendly. I know it’s kind of a PG Lite sort of Game of Thrones, but the fairy tale element w/ the old school characters could go far on HBO or Showtime, etc. Anyway, Belle and Rumpel are my absolute favorite ever, despite their low chemistry on this episode. They haven’t had that much screen time together this season, so I hope the writers give it to them! One thing I don’t like is how there are only snippets here and there of these great characters. Just keep them on every epiosde!
@Wendybird, here’s a link! Nothing to support the Bae theory but if we’re learning more about Henry’s father the mystery man is presumably him…
http://tvline.com/2012/10/23/once-upon-a-time-season-2-spoilers-photos-henry-father/
@WendyBird: Interesting, I always figured Cora would lose all sense of her plan and go after Regina, I wonder what happens if someone pushes her over the line…Maybe she’ll disintegrate and break the barrier spell.
I could just be excusing Emma but I get the sense that whatever transpired between Emma and Henry’s father they were drawn to each other. It was probably so beyond the two of them they couldn’t even explain and when something of that magnitude hits you, especially at 18 its got to be terrifying!
Jefferson seems to be the one who knows of Dr. Whale(I love that Regina and Jefferson have a history). But we don’t know where they go to find Dr. Whale, it’s got to be another world because that would be the only reason that no one recognizes him, the question is what happened to that world and like almost all the characters at the moment why they ended up being taken.
That’s I why I was thinking that Tink is a kid. Maybe Peter is in Storybrooke also, that would be interesting because I always felt bad for Tink and her unrequited love for Peter, the only reason I think they might no do this is adding Wendy makes it look like the Mulan/Phillip/Aurora love triangle. Still the only children we’ve net are Hansel and Gretel, Grace and Henry…Henry really should make some friends…He spent his whole life so far being the only person in Storybrooke to age.
I love the idea that Cora has an enemy that she couldn’t get rid of. Speaking of Cora, she has depth, Maurice is just spiteful…I like him better as a semi-crazy inventor…He’s so much more innocent that way.
I totally agree about the blonde hair, what I don’t understand is why they didn’t just get an actress that looks younger. http://www.google.com/search?q=once+upon+a+time+tallahassee&hl=en&tbo=d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=VTyMUJW0MMSCyAHcu4DoDw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=320&bih=417#p=0 I went for the less spoilery option and copied the images link from Google, anyway, it’s pics of Emma from the next episode.
I read up on the number 8 it’s what everyone is saying really but very interesting all the same! Glad I asked.
@Thundercat3: I think it’s better that the show is not on HBO or Showtime. There would be the addition of cursing, which really doesn’t add anything, especially to a show like OUAT where you can swear like a pirate(seriously their curses are so much more colorful than ours!) and plot needs to be inserted where there would likely be sex, not to say that I wouldn’t enjoy it(because the guys on OUAT are quite smexy!) but that too can be a cop out for witty dialogue. The show isn’t so virtuous, Snow and Charming definitely got busy and Cinderella in our world like Emma was a teenager when she had her daughter. Sure there’s some sugar coating but the characters are deep. And I could do without the gore that also tends to shadow a drama like OUAT on channels like HBO or Showtime. So yes, the show would be a bit more undressed(hehe!) but I don’t think it would really benefit from it. The writing is absolutely brilliant and because Disney is the parent company they own a lot of rights to the stories we know and love. I think we’re very lucky it’s on ABC and not on some channel that would not be able to handle such a series. So it has to be a bit more family friendly, frankly that’s not such a bad thing either. My friend said the other day that they’ve found a mature way(especially the Disney Princess generation) to keep the princesses we know and love in our lives. We can talk about them in a serious manner because the things being dealt with in OUAT are not easy things, that’s just my opinion anyway.
Finally getting a chance to read everything (school has taken over my life this week)! Loved Hook. And was volunteering to be his new wound care nurse throughout the sword fight, while waiting for his hand to go, wound care is cool and he’s so hot it’d be even more fun. And I have to agree, Mila did look awesome in the pirate queen outfit. Who wouldn’t want to wear that? But maybe she should have thought more about what she was doing when she ran off.
I wonder why it’s so important that Charming hates mine dust. I’m trying to remember if we’ve seen anything about that before with him. Wardrobe department should give Josh Dallas less shirts with sleeves after that scene though. I like him more.
Loved Belle and Rumple in the library, glad that Belle gets to spend time with books!
I cannot wait for the Dr. Whale episode, gonna be so awesome (I hope)! But I’ll miss the theories about who he is.
Oh, and I saw on OUAT’s facebook page, if Dr. Whale is who we think he is, can he please bring back Sheriff McHottiePants? That’d be cool.
^ YAS.
I forgot all about that.
But we have to see his track record with the undead first. I want the sheriff back as he was. From the looks of it, Stable Boy came back with some screws loose. And we all know what happened with his first try.
Andrea: Thank you muchly!
Adventure: I don’t think it’s excusing because I think that’s exactly why Emma and the father were drawn together. They shared that blood, that connection. I really, really think its Bae, just mulling over the complexity of everything. But they never make it easy for me *sigh*
I’m not sure if Whale comes from another world per say but it seems he and Jefferson both specialize in a very particular kind of magic. Perhaps they’re brothers? Or originated from the same place? That would explain why Jefferson knows. And we know what Whale does and how it’s going to end up so we have to see why Whale does it. What is his motive?
I’m going to guess it Peter and Tink are aged down they’d be pre-teens. Or maybe because they were pulled out of Neverland they aged up? Or perhaps Neverland is intact and they are there? I might be biased (hellooo username) but I never really felt bad for Tink. Especially considering she tried to have Wendy killed by the Lost Boys. If anything Peter Pan was a major heart breaker, Tink, Tiger Lily, Wendy and a whole slew of murderous mermaids. Poor Wendy, everyone wanted her dead or to get firewood.
I think Jennifer Morrison is fine for 28 and I really do like her as an actress. Plus, she looks like Ginnifer Goodwin who was cast first I believe, but the platinum blonde really washes her out and ages her. I’m sure its so you can differentiate her from snow, but even a warmer, honeyed blonde would shave a few years off.
You also summed up my very thoughts on why ABC is the perfect home for Once. Disney has always been a home for fairytales.
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Tampering with the dead is never a good idea, they never come back quite right. Especially when you happen to pick up a brain from one Abbey Normal….
Seriously?! I think I’ve suggested they bring Graham back in that way like over a hundred times on here alone. Of course they won’t because that’s how keep is hooked, I hope we get a little Huntsman this season!!! Okay it’s not the only reason to keep watching but it is one of many!
I can’t wait to get the nitty-gritty behind Whale’s motives! He’s dabbling a dark art, though it would seem his intentions are pure. I bet he was jilted by Regina…There needs to be an explanation for his crass attitude and womanizing ways. I just realized that Regina would be the bride of [insert iconic character's name] lol!
@WendyBird: Yes it’s very complex and I’m sure they’ll send off in some wrong direction just to toy with us. At least the Mystery Man being in this episode explains why that site knew his name.
I love the idea of Whale and Jefferson being cut from the same madness cloth. Jefferson has so much more heart than Whale but then again we still don’t know his motives…Still think he’s a jerk, maybe this episode will change my mind. But I can’t see how this episode couldn’t partially take place in another world. Whale and Charming butting heads is hilarious but there’s no way they exist in the same place otherwise they would be intertwined somehow and know one another. Whale is deliberately defiant and not because he has the “I slept with your wife while you were in a coma” thing over Charming. He doesn’t play by the same rules, which makes sense that Jefferson would know of him.
I’d like to see some preteens but it would be interesting even if they are still in Neverland. It’s true Peter is a heartbreaker and a lesson to all women to date men that at least TRY to grow up!
I wonder what OUAT will do with Wendy, there’s actually a lot they could do with her.
I think Jennifer Morrison totally fits being 28, I happen to like her better as a brunette but the blonde works, I just noticed the washing out too but in the pics it’s more that, it just doesn’t look like she could be as young as 18…I guess we’ll see!
I was saving the Abbey Normal joke but I guess I’ll just have to make another reference from that movie when the time comes, there’s enough to go around lol!
I think Dr Whale’s character depends on which sourse the writers will use– eith the novel by Mary Shelley (sigh-much love to it) or to Hollywood movies. You guys know I am up for anything but am a little protective of the novel and would love the writers to stay true to the plot. I will dispense of giving a lit lecture-lolol.
@ 31 I want–heeheehee– Abby Normal. That would be a hoot if we get Young Frankenstein references.
I hope we see Tink–an older Tink would be an awesome sidekick for Ruby. But they may keep her young–maybe Henry will take a Peter Pan-esque role.
OH– and to close (lolol) what other characters do we want to see???? I’d love Rip Van Winkle, Bluebeard (altho that is one for HBO) and anyone from the Canterbury Tales.
Also–we do need to look into charaters crossing fairytales—someone brought it up and it bears tracking!!!
I guess Rumple (I love when Belle calls him that—and love that she is Belle, just Belle) is our tragic hero. As is Regina.
Have I ever mentioned to you guys that this is the best show ever???????
OH part deux– and now with my OUAT note book, and Grimms’ and my Norton edition of The Classic Fairy Tales (Maria Tatar edited this one–I highly recommend it–You are group of readers and smart ones at that. You will all love it) is my copy of Frankenstein (1818 text-the good one before Percy “Oh Mary I am so much smarter than you, let me edit your work and take out the good stuff” Shelley got his hands on it.
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE— love this show and this group!!!!!!
I don’t see how they could make Whale anything but someone closer to the original Dr. Frankenstein.
The movie one was not nearly as good or nuanced, in terms of who was right or wrong. I hated the movie doctor right off the bat. No matter what happened, my hatred of him only grew…there could be no redemption.
But in the novel, you swing between liking him, pitying him, and being angry with him….sometimes, you think he deserves what he gets and sometimes, you think that the monster is tripping.
Dr. Frankenstein was the Rumple of the novel world.
If they don’t tap into that, I’m going to be upset.
I love this group too!
You know we’re going to get ever popular “It’s alive!” Because it’s just so incredibly easy lol!
Henry isn’t Peter, he’s not in the book
but I like where you’re going with that idea, however, Henry is too mature to be Peter. Besides he’s a Little Prince technically, he doesn’t need a Neverland mentality.
As far as others I’d like to see, honestly I haven’t given the literature idea much thought, in thinking about it quickly I’d love to see some inclusion of A Tale Of Two Cities. To Kill A Mockingbird is one of my absolute favorites! And Wuthering Heights could be interesting! Catherine and Heathcliff would make for another good Halloween episode. In general other characters I’d like to see are Hades (got to retrieve Phillip’s soul from somewhere!), also Lucifer (OMG him and Rumpel in the same room that would be awesome!), of course Ariel and Megra (Who doesn’t want to get to know the girl that a god falls in love with…Okay Demi-God but still?!).
Rumpel and Regina are our tragic heroes but it seems all roads lead to Henry, I can’t wait to see it play out. I have expectations for Rumpel in particular.
@Hot Cawfee, the version of the Brothers Grimm fairy tales looks great, I’ll probably pick up a copy after next pay period, (I’m done with this semesters tuition payments then, yay!).
I used to have a copy of Hans Christen Anderson’s stories. I wonder if any of those could come into play in this series. Now I’ll have to go find that book.
Regina is definitely a tragic character, probably one of the reasons I love her, even if she’s meant to be evil.
I’m terrified that this, haha, Frankenstorm will knock my power out during the middle of OUAT tonight. I’d be so pissed.
This group is great!! I haven’t loved a group so much since the days of LOST and discussion groups then!
@ellemck1: Oh but how fitting will it be if Frankenstorm prevented us from watching Dr. Whale’s episode! I mean it would stink but the irony is quite funny.
@iwantadventure, oh it would be very fitting. But hopefully it won’t hit until we’ve seen Dr. Whale’s story. I’m loving that we’re getting Frankenstorm this week, and Dr. Whale as well.
Frankenstorm?
Hurricane Sandy, which is supposed to hit the rest of the East Coast tonight, has been nicknamed Frankenstorm because it’s supposed to combine with a cold front and make it a snowy hurricane.
Oh, okay. Well I hope y’all on the East Coast make it through okay.
Power didn’t go out, thanks for the well wishes Sagi, it’s appreciated! Can’t wait until everyone has seen tonight’s episode, really looking forward to discussing it!
Adventure: Whale being defiant to Charming is what has me interested the most. Usually he’s been so keen to pull the strings away from focus and yet he directly stood against the most respected person in town. I wonder what happened there….
I want to see Wendy!!!!!!!!!!! I’d die.
I will make all the Young jokes I can in next seeks recap. It’s what I do best! haha!
Cawfee: We should definitely make a chart of the crossing’s of each fairytale. It’d be quite intricate, almost like the tapestry of the fates! But it’d help find connections. We know that Rumpy has taken on mostly villainous roles but he also became the Fairy Godmother to Cinderella too!
I love this show so much!
Henry is the only person I never have to put a lot of thought in. He’s not a Storybook character and we know his motives are pure.
If, we’re saying who we want to see, I want Alice to actually show up, Ariel, Wendy and I’d love to see with Ariel, some references to her original tale in someway.
I sadly missed tonight’s episode with my parents in town and them demanding that we actually go to dinner instead of letting me cling to the nice tv in their hotel room and squeal with joy. I’ll have to watch it as soon as it’s up online. Probably tomorrow night. Luckily I’ll be ready and theoried out for the recap.
I can’t wait to solve more mysteries with everyone!