Once Upon a Time Recap: There’s a Meeting in the Flame Room (Snow’ll be back real soon)

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   sagittariuskim
   Posted November 29, 2012 at 3:07 pm

   Here’s a sneak peek of the new episode. And it seems that Regina also teamed up with Hook at one point. Like Mother like Daughter.
   http://watch.accesshollywood.com/video/once-upon-a-time-midseason-finale-sneak-peek:-capt.-hook-meets-belle/1995634091001

   I hate what happened to Aurora, I was just starting to like her. Hook is really starting to seem like he could be a worthy rival of Rumpy. At least he seems to be a tad more ruthless.

   I feel like it’s too soon for break. Although I guess I should be happy since I have finals coming up. Now I won’t have to worry about them getting in the way of OUAT. At least the first season is on Netflix, so I won’t go into complete withdrawal. And two of my Black Friday purchases were a complete of Hans Christian Anderson Fairy Tales and a complete collection of Grimm Fairy Tales. So that should keep me occupied.

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   Melissa Wray
   Posted November 29, 2012 at 3:39 pm

   I damn near pissed and shat myself when Cora was controlling Aurora with her own heart.
   And to think that I was so blinded by Hook’s hotness…

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   Melissa Wray
   Posted November 29, 2012 at 3:40 pm

   Oh, btw, LOVED the Heathers reference!

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   ecthelion
   Posted November 29, 2012 at 5:58 pm

   ~Sigh~ I am so in love with Rumpy, seeing him transform (I hope) into the good guy is melting me, that and he is so hot and his voice so smooth……………ok, so that’s Rumpy, did anything else happen? LOL

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   WendyBird
   Posted November 29, 2012 at 6:43 pm

   Great Recap PottyMouth! You must tell us how new Fantasyland is at Disney World! So jealous!

   I’m taking these notes below while I watch the episode so I’m sorry if they’re sporadic!

   FINALLY AURORA IS GETTING SOME GOOD CHARACTER GROWTH. I loved her speech to Mulan about doing something with her life now. I’m kind of loving her. I love her actress and Aurora is just getting so feisty and awesome.

   Rumpy and Belle getting their burgers was so cute I could of melted into a puddle of love and mushy mush mush.

   Was that a 20,000 leagues under the sea reference?! I LOVE IT! The mixing of literature this seaon really expands the show.

   I also love whenever Snow gets to be a badass.

   Mulan really rubs me the wrong way….I don’t know, just she’s so angry and hard. You would think after what Mulan had been through (original storewide) that she’d be more understanding. She’s just so one note “Honor Honor Honor” Maybe it’s just me?

   Caring Gold is my favorite Gold ever. SQUEEEE! Rumpy is best character.

   Can I just say how good Charming looks with the gun holster vest on? Damn boy.

   So…A commercial for Grey’s Anatomy came on, is that show even still on?! Also, the space needle is NOT in the middle of Seattle’s skyline, its way off to the side. That always bother me, everyone depicts my home town with the needle in the middle and it raining.

   Hmmmm Hooky Hook, Can we trust your pretty lil face? You saved our girl after all.

   i love Snow. She’s so great at rationalizing things and seeing the good without being sugary sweet.

   I also don’t feel like Regina is to blame. At least……not entirely. I know Emma is blinded by hate but Regina is just as damaged at the rest…. Oh god, I’m defending a villain. Well…wouldn’t be the first time. Love you Regina!

   More Wizard of Oz refs. Loving ittttttt.

   The tenderness Emma is starting to show to snow is making me tear up, I mean my allergies just get so bad during this show.

   Snow and Charming together again *SOB* Damn you allergies. I loved how annoyed she was when she figured it out. You’re under a sleeping curse/!? *angry glare*

   NOOOOOOOOOOO CHARMINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!

   Wah, I’m not sure if its the bottle of wine I drank by myself or this damn show but I was waterworks central.

   HOBBIT COMMERCIALS. All my nerdy feelings right now. I can’t take this. There are already billboards everywhere *SOB* Plus all the Les Mis ones….I can’t take this holiday season.

   When Snow wakes up it is the most terrible thing, its so frantic and upsetting and….poor snow

   My dislike for Mulan is furthering greatly in this episode. Though I hasten to wonder why she’s so quick to save Aurora if she wants Phillip for herself. Guilt tripping?

   OH MY GOD SHE HAS AURORA’s HEART NOOOOOOOOOO! Poor Auroa…I hope we don’t loose her…. Hook, you suck. Majorly.

   Okay, So Im wondering if Phillip was the spirit that grabbed Aurora in the fire room when she was with Henry. You know how Cora said he didn’t die, his spirits in another place? I’m betting his spirit’s trapped in that maze like neverworld but like how Charming sensed Snow out Phillips been searching for Aurora and found her. Granted it could have just been Mulan waking her up, but that hasn’t happened before when someone’s woken Aurora up.

   So…next week is our last episode before the winter break, I don’t think I can take the winter break, especially because OH MY GOD THEYRE GOING TO BE GOING BACK FOR THE SECOND HALF! I CANT TAKE THIS. Can we all cling to each other quietly and cry until the season returns.

   That, or try to remember to keep commenting so we can keep working on theories such as the name game with David.

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   WendyBird
   Posted November 29, 2012 at 6:47 pm

   Next week I’m going to edit my notes…This is my first time taking them with the show so I dont forget things as I think of them but they could be more cohesive…

   Sorry for everyone who wades through them!

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   maryedith
   Posted November 29, 2012 at 7:14 pm

   I did not like the taking of Aurora’s heart. When people’s hearts have been stolen before, they’ve known about it. Even the horse bowed down to Regina when she stole his heart. Even the Huntsman’s alter ego in Storybrooke was in thrall to Regina in a Storybrooke-analogy way and he was aware of it. To have Aurora not know she is being controlled by Cora is a rule-changer.

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   Luscious
   Posted November 29, 2012 at 8:00 pm

   Best Recap Title Ever!

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   Luscious
   Posted November 29, 2012 at 8:01 pm

   Best Recap Title Ever! Now that song is in my head…

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    sagittariuskim
    Posted November 29, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    @Wendy I’m super excited about Les Mis too. But I don’t get The Hobbit excitement, I find Tolkien a wordy bore.

    @maryedith Haven’t all people and animals with their hearts ripped out been awake, and aware of it happening? So maybe it’s different if they’re asleep. Or maybe they’re only aware of it if Cora and Regina wants them to be. So far we’ve really only seem them take people hearts in order to make them suffer.

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    Megan
    Posted November 29, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    So as usual, totally loved the recap. I giggled a little at eff me with a chainsaw bc that is a great way to describe it!! But then I had a thought…..we never actually saw him take the heart….so is it really hers?? Is he still working for Emma??? Just a thought!!!

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    WendyBird
    Posted November 29, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    SagKim: The Hobbit was one of the first long books I ever read by myself as a kid. I have super nostalgia feels for it. I wasn’t as hip on LOTR but still enjoyed the books. The movies were great, it trimmed down the parts that caused me to drag through reading it (looking at you Tom Bombadil!) I think it helped that my close group of friends at the time were all really into LOTR too so we all would sit around and talk about it. Now we’re all grown up and FREAKING out over Les Mis. I’ve already told my mom that our traditional Christmas Day dvd watching was to be put on hold this year to see Les Mis in theaters.

    As per the hearts, I’m wondering if the person controlling the heart chooses. Like the person is a doll and you can manipulate them as seen fit. Which would be how Regina got Huntsman *dreamy sigh* to do all her bidding. Cora needs Aurora as her eyes and ears, so taking away her mental freedom was the perfect option.

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    Kitkat
    Posted November 30, 2012 at 2:56 am

    I love Rumple/Gold and Belle, but I hope they get some more screen time on future episodes; the hamburger date thing was cute, but the speech about ketchup had me rolling my eyes; dialogue like that just sounds like really bad writing, and that’s when people start losing interest. I have to admit, I was super excited for the season premiere epiosde back in September, but my interest in this show has waned a lot. The dialogue is so bad in some parts it’s hard to keep watching. My ranting aside, I love the new, kinder
    Rumple and am hoping Emma and Hook get some more time together soon.

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    iwantadventure
    Posted November 30, 2012 at 7:17 am

    I’m here!!! I need to sort out my thoughts, my notes are all over the place because I didn’t organize them after the episode, probably because I was sad this week is the winter finale…I’ll come back when I have everything more organized.

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    hot cawfee
    Posted November 30, 2012 at 8:56 am

    I agree Pottykins– b/c Rumpy has the capacity to love and for love its going to keep him keepin’ on!!! And he will succeed. And his complete understanding of his actions and the subsequent repurcussions.
    Sigh……….back to reading!!!!!!!!

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    hot cawfee
    Posted November 30, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Oh hell—-comments did not register–

    oh well—will try to remember comments and questions–
    Questions–Will Belle retaliate on Regina?? Can Sleepy undergo the sleeping curse???
    Nice catch @ 6 Wendy—it could be Phillip to keep Sleeping Beauty at the forefront–the spinning wheel is not Rumpy’s but the one from Aurora’s fairy tale.
    And–is Hook now wearing a key charm as well?????????

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    WendyBird
    Posted November 30, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Cawfee: I don’t think Belle will retaliate persay, but I think if she was put in the position to help Regina she might be reluctant to do so. Or she might end up seeing in Regina what she sees in Rumpy, someone who is really good deep down.

    I just can’t see why the writers would have that happen to Aurora in the fire room and then mention later in the episode that Phillip’s spirit is just in another realm. For me it seemed like Phillip was trying to protect Aurora and let her know he was okay, well, somewhat.

    I didn’t notice Hook with a Key Charm! I’m going to rewatch season 1 and the first half of season 2 over the winter break though.

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    hot cawfee
    Posted December 1, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    @ 5 Wendy–re: 20K Leagues– thats the book that both MM and David were reading at Granny’s diner–squeeeee

    OK kids—watched the episode again —and here are a couple of questions:
    Hook to Cora–paraphrase “Now you have a Princess’ heart” hhmmmm–Cora is I am sure the Queen of Hearts and its our episode–
    Regina to Henry when she is making the sleeping potion “Mr Gold had everything in his shop”–hhhmmmm and DUNDUNDUNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
    Does Aurora’s sleeping curse predate the Regina curse???????
    Can Sleepy be sent to the chamber???? Hasnt he been put under a sleeping curse of sorts b/c of his name?? Or maybe he can go b/v he crossed the town line and had his memory erased???
    Is there a portal in the library????? And is the town clock running???? And I guess its back to Wonderland–Jefferson and maybe Neal?????

    OK–more than a couple of questions.
    heeheehee—my cap code is…….cross the rubicon

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    iwantadventure
    Posted December 1, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Okay here we go…

    Hook really shouldn’t have messed with Cora in the beginning like that. I don’t think Milah would appreciate what Hook is doing to get revenge on her.

    The zombie army was perfect. It was cool and creepy but not over done.

    Major kudos to Ginnifer Goodwin for having the perfect facial expressions! I knew she was lying to Aurora and I knew she recognized the room!

    I was so proud of Henry, he looked really happy and he did what he could. He absolutely is a little Prince!

    The hamburger date was the best! It was so cute!

    So Cora was Rumpel’s apprentice…I bet he regrets that now. WTF happened between theml?

    Aurora was really coming into her own…And then I got bored with her again.

    Is it weird that I want Rumpel to tell me a bedtime story? His tenderness toward Henry is too much! He has true concern for him, it’s so precious.

    Snow is a badass but Charming is a constant rock in that relationship. He believes in their love so much!

    What Hook told Aurora before we knew he’d taken her heart, I really believed in his feelings for Emma. I really thought he would show Emma he was different…Poor Emma she’s going to get her heart broken all over again. The question is will she waste time decking Neal or assisting Rumpel against Hook?

    I don’t understand why Emma wants to blame Regina. That seemed like a really obnoxious thing to do. Then again Emma doesn’t understand Regina and she doesn’t know how Regina is trying to change. Did anyone else catch that sneaky devious smile she had when the potion started working?! It was subtle but it also said so much!

    It is still awkward to hear Snow and Charming be referred to as Grandparents.

    So that scene where Snow started waking up…Uh I hate that OUAT has the ability to make me so sad in just a few short minutes. It was horrible! I was yelling at the TV “No! Stay! Be here!!!” And now Charming is in the room all alone. It’s terrible! And dangerous! SOMEONE LOCK UP KING GEORGE!!! Let’s learn from the hat fiasco

    It was super heartbreaking when Snow woke up too but I kind of wanted Emma to slap her. Seriously, she needed to pull herself together! She’s Snow, she loves Charming and she’s losing faith in them but she can make it on her own too. The dynamic is interesting now. Snow wants to get back to Charming to wake him up. Emma wants to get back to Henry. The love, the yearning is so intense on both parts. I’m really curious how the show will handle Snow and Charming seeing each other again. There’s a lot to rediscover about each other. But it’s interesting because sex has been tactfully avoided but they can’t really avoid a passionate reunion…I expect lots of camera panning a in the near future.

    I am so mad at Hook for taking Aurora’s heart. No actually I’m mad at the writers because I really felt Aurora’s character had a greater purpose and we were just getting to know her. She does have a greater purpose but being a puppet makes this development hardly a development at all. Honestly I don’t really like either Mulan or Aurora…Aurora tried to be helpful with Henry and the dreams but she just came across as still very fragile and Mulan needs to sort out her feelings for Phillip or take a chill pill. The two of them this episode were ridiculous. And now Aurora isn’t even her own person because Cora is controlling her heart. I wonder if she’ll make it out of the winter finale alive! It wasn’t a surprise she was hoping to go to Storybrooke, maybe she’ll get there and get to talk to Rumpel about this soul business.

    I apologize if I’m repeating myself but I also want to acknowledge some points I made after the episode on the last recap.

    So I was right very early on about certain characters being otherwise detained, which would pave the way for some epic battle. I knew Snow had been there and it’s not a big thing to be right about but I was right that Charming would be otherwise detained and Rumpel and Regina would he compromised in some way soon and that would leave Henry unwatched and ripe to use as a pawn, he’s certainly Regina’s weakness!

    That whole thing about weakness was important too because Belle is Rumpel’s weakness, Regina already preyed on her so it would be redundant but Hook is after pain and death. He’ll kill Rumpel in front of Belle and then kill Belle just for the sake of it if given the chance.

    What was that about Regina seeing her body? Did she follow her into the Looking Glass? The plot thickens…

    My relationship with this show and it’s hiatus are a lot like Snow and Charming’s relationship, we find each other and then we get snatched away…Trying to have faith through the seperation is hard…What will we do until it comes back? There are no more Charming name clues to discuss and with him sleeping there’s not a lot of chance of getting any revelations about it…I suppose we could discuss the contents of August’s box?! But I get ahead of myself, we still have this episode to discuss and there is a new one next week so we’ll cross that bridge of no show for a few weeks when we get to it :-/

    The queen of hearts! How intriguing! Is that where Hook learned to take hearts? I assumed he figured out how to do it after seeing Rumpel do it to Milah. I read somewhere that we’re also going to find out how Hook was able to stay in FairyTale Land…Perhaps it’s all related? I just hope the Queen of Hearts isn’t some big let down…I hope it’s not Cora, it’s too obvious!

    @Wendy: Interesting thought about that being Phillip but I think it was just because she was woken up too soon. We’d never seen it before because Aurora was able to stay asleep. I would assume Phillip’s soul is trapped wherever it is. There’s probably someone who makes sure they don’t escape. The connection is that Phillip was also cursed, the difference is his soul was taken, Aurora maintained herself she was just stuck in an eternal sleep. Dreams are powerful and I feel like if there is a place to get to souls it’s not so easy to get into dreams.

    The gun holster is hot, personally I really enjoyed his leap through the flames to be near Snow! ;-P

    I can’t wait for Les Mis!!!

    @Sagi: Yes everyone has been awake, however, I don’t think Aurora would be able to realize unless she came in contact with something that reminded her, that made her love. Graham wanted his heart because he had feelings for Emma and he knew it was missing. Touching Emma also brought back the memories of FairyTale Land. IDK if it would work for Aurora to touch Emma because Aurora doesn’t love Emma but Emma does have magical qualities we don’t really know about so it could make Aurora aware. The question is will she survive long enough to get her heart back once she is aware?

    @Cawfee: Interesting, what would Belle gain from retaliating on Regina? She’s so culture shocked anything she could come up with probably wouldn’t be effective but I don’t think there’s any closure in that. Making Regina apologize would be more Belle-like. It’s refined, it’s not something Regina easily does but there’s no reason Belle doesn’t deserve one. Regina is going to have to account for her actions and without magic that’s going to be really hard. We know she’s capable of remorse so can she go one step further and actually say she’s sorry?

    I found it very interesting that they used the spinning wheel, there is one in Rumpel’s story, we’ve even seen him using it to make thread into gold. the needle prick is specifically Sleeping Beauty though, in which case how did Rumpel come to have it?

    I don’t think Sleepy is cursed…I always assumed it was like narcolepsy or something like that.

    Maleficent had borrowed the sleeping curse from Regina to use on Aurora. So it belonged to Regina first. Maleficent gave Regina something but I forget what it was and whatever it was it didn’t work. Time line speaking Aurora was asleep for 28 years, Snow Charming and Co. took back the kingdom, Snow and Charming got married. Regina threatened them and then Rumpel’s curse was born. Aurora couldn’t be asleep that entire time, could she?

    Isn’t it interesting Charming and Snow and Henry are all cursed. Is this foreshadowing for Emma?

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    iwantadventure
    Posted December 1, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Super long post! Whoa!!! Didn’t expect that…I wasn’t able to respond right away because I’ve recently become addicted to Dr. Who…I’m not worried about this hiatus anymore, I’ll be nice and distracted!

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    sagittariuskim
    Posted December 1, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    @Adventure: Regina got the curse from Maleficent. Regine traded The Curse for it. Remember the first time we see Maleficent is when Regina confronts her about the spell failing, and to get her curse back. That’s the episode where they fight, and Regina tries to kill Maleficent’s unicorn. I’m not sure when Aurora was cursed. Maleficent already knew the curse could be broken when she gave it to Regina, because it had already happened to her. So maybe she used it on another girl before Aurora.

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    WendyBird
    Posted December 1, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    Cawfee: I’m still not onboard with Cora being the Queen of hearts but they sure are making it seem that way!

    It seems as though according to what Phillip said, Aurora went under the curse some time before Regina’s curse and was suppose to only be under for a year but it turned into 28 years with the curse.

    I don’t think sleepy was put under the curse, I think it’s just his character trait that he was assigned in the mine.

    The town clock is running!

    Adventure! I’ve been waiting for your comment!

    I’m going to guess Cora wanted more power and maybe tried to take the dark one’s dagger from Rump Rump?

    I hope Emma decks Neal and then turns around and decks August for what he did and then turns around and decks Hook for being a jerk. Maybe she can deck Whale too for good measure.

    I think Emma is feeling so much guilt about Henry still that she’s trying to form her guilt into anger and is pushing it out partially on her parents, but she loves Snow and Charming too much and mostly onto Regina because well for the year she was in Storybrooke Regina made her life hell

    I’m going to guess Sex will be treated ala Regina and Huntsman, glimpses of kissing and heavy petting followed by laying in bed or in underwear post scenes. Seems the best way to keep it along family friendly lines but still at Drama levels?

    I really really started liking Aurora, like a lot. She clearly was still the fragile princes she was raised as (treated like a glass doll because of the curse) but was showing true royal backbone and sacrifice. I wanted to see Snow take Aurora under her wing.

    Mulan can jump in a well at this point for me. She’s just so, so, so annoying. And if anyone should know family sacrifice and wanting to protect their loved ones it’s Mulan who went to war to save her father.

    I have no clue who the QOH’s is. All signs point to Cora though.

    Aurora had been shaken awake before though by Snow and it didn’t show her being ripped out by a voice calling her name. I really believe that they wouldn’t have mentioned that Phillip’s soul was alive and had a dark shadow pick her up in the same episode if it doesn’t mean anything. But……I tend to read too much into things too.

    More Charming in the gun holster please. And Rumpy in well tailored suits.

    It really is true, Well tailored suits are lingerie for men.

    As for the spinning wheel, I’m going to guess it’s rumpy’s and either HE put Aurora under the curse, but probably not since Maleficent has been a character. Perhaps she made a deal with Rumpy and borrowed his spinning wheel? Or it’s not Aurora’s exact spinning wheel.

    ADVENTURE DOCTOR WHO IS MY FAVORITE THING EVER AND TEN IS THE BEST DOCTOR BUT I’M NOT AS THRILLED WITH ELEVEN!!!!!!

    Sorry for the all caps, My Who love runs deep.

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    WendyBird
    Posted December 1, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Sag Kim: Aurora mentioned her mother had been under the sleeping curse before her. So I’m going to guess Mal cursed her mother first?

    My captcha code is Goody Goody Gumdrops!

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    iwantadventure
    Posted December 1, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    @Sagi: Thanks, I thought I was confused. I’ve read some theories that Aurora’s mother is the original Briar Rose, I didn’t think so when I first heard it but that would work quite well with Maleficent already knowing that the curse could be broken…Perhaps that’s what Aurora was talking about when she told Mulan she understands pain and loss better than she’s being given credit for…Although that could also directly relate to the nightmares…Hmmm, I think it’s about time for some Aurora background, especially with her heart putting her life in danger. I suppose we’ll have to wait until January for any answers there, assuming she survives the next episode. Though for OUAT they’re slacking on killing a beloved character (As sad as it was Phillip and GusGus don’t count, we weren’t given an opportunity to love them!)…So everyone’s life is up in there, oh joy!

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    sagittariuskim
    Posted December 1, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Oh, okay. I didn’t catch Aurora mentioning her mother. I’ve been waiting for Aurora and Mulan background too. They’ve been in almost every episode this season and we haven’t learned anything about them.

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    WendyBird
    Posted December 1, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    SagKim: It was when she was arguing with Mulan about going I think? In the very first episode? I wish we’d get more about those two. It’s hard to understand their motives if we don’t learn. I want to know how Mulan met Phillip and if she does have a thing for him.

    But that probably wont happen until we learn why some didn’t go with the curse.

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    iwantadventure
    Posted December 1, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    Ah I thought I might miss some back and forth…

    @Wendy: I can’t get on board with Cora being the Queen of Hearts either. It just doesn’t make sense that the queen we met would allow Regina to walk out of Wonderland with her father juxtaposed with the Cora we know. It just seems too convienant. Besides, isn’t that what OUAT wants us to think?! They give a lot hints and clues and then totally send us in the opposite direction. It just seems to me whoever the Queen of Hearts is she was hoping to get to Cora and/or Regina by taking Henry…Everyone has an adversary, Cora and Rumpel have more than most, I guess we’ll have to see because I don’t want it to be Cora.

    I assumed it was 28 years because time started moving again when Emma came to Storybrooke.

    Regina said that Cora tells the story about whatever transpired between Rumpel and Cora differently because Rumpel believes he can handle Cora. I don’t think Cora was interested in becoming The Dark One. She seemed to be done with Rumpel by the time she was forcing Regina to marry Snow’s father. Cora wanted something else and she didn’t need Rumpel anymore to get it. I wonder if it had to do with Regina, because Regina mentioned that her mother never spoke of Rumpel or how she came to have the powers…I wonder if Cora hoped to keep Regina to herself. If she is the daughter from the tale of the miller than ironically Regina became that child that Rumpel wanted because she became his apprentice. Interesting!!!

    I love this punching party!!! Hook, Neal and August better practice ducking! But I think Snow should punch Whale. Charming already got a good shot in and Snow deserves her opportunity…Poor Whale he just wants to get home to his brother! And Henry should hit Neal too but then Henry is going to want to hit Emma…This is turning into a very complicated decking!

    Emma did kind of get sucked into Jefferson’s hat because of Regina. I just don’t think playing the blame game helps. Everyone who is capable has been feeling guilty. Jiminy could have so many patients!

    I feel like showing Regina and Graham fooling around is so different than showing Snow and Charming. These aren’t the fairytales we grew up watching but they are classic characters. This is going to sound weird because believe me I didn’t sit and watch these movies and imagine where the kissing would lead but in the case of OUAT when it comes to Snow and Charming there’s a certain level of expectation. Snow said they haven’t yet gotten to enjoy each other yet so the building tension makes it that much more heightened. In which case I feel like we’re going to get, heavy breathing, clothing removal and then camera pans to the moonlight/fireplace…It’s cliche but is fits right in with the romance of the show. However, forget keeping it family friendly, we have the very awkward element of Emma and getting her out of the house so her parents who are the same age as her can have sex! At least there’s no chance of Emma having a similar one night stand conversation with Snow. As frustrating as it was to ride the ups and downs of David and Mary Margret meeting each other and trying to love each other it’s a good thing nothing happened for Emma’s psyche’s sake!

    We’ve never seen Aurora shaken awake while in the dream, we’ve seen Snow realize she’s having the nightmare and then standing by her while Aurora wakes up. Plus Rumpel said it gets more dangerous as you go deeper and the way Aurora was woken up it just seemed to me she was being ripped from the cursed dream world too early, it would be I retesting if it was Phillip but I feel like we need more evidence to see that. Then again there’s enough evidence that Jack the Giant killer is dead and I still believe that’s who Charming is so perhaps evidence is inconsequential.

    Since you mentioned well tailored suits I had a professor recently discuss the “Bond effect” on what women want. At first I was offended but when he finished the theory is scary correct. I probably won’t explain it as well as he did but basically James Bond is the epitome of what women want, a smart well-dressed man, who makes women swoon with his moves in the bedroom and his money. The irony of such a theory is a man like that never gets married and settles down or irons his suits. I’m probably missing some part of it but your comment about suits reminded me of that. It’s definitely true a well-tailored suit makes a man look like an international secret agent and that’s sexy to boot! On a slightly related note a man’s bicep is equivalent to our breasts. Our eyes are just drawn to it.

    Based on my comment above this I’m going to guess it’s not Aurora’s spinning wheel but perhaps Briar Rose’s.

    Speaking of the name Rose…Oh I can’t even get started on Doctor Who, it’ll extend this post beyond it’s capacity I’m sure. I just finished season 2 and experienced the emotional roller coaster of that finale…Sheesh!!! David Tennant is awesome! I’ll impart this little anecdote because you’ll get it. The Doctor was accused of doing witchcraft by an alien and his response was Time Lord…In my head I heard Rumpel shout magic and Whale shout science! This made me laugh slightly more than was warranted for the scene. It’s such an awesome show!

    BTW, I also recently read we’ll be meeting a new princess at some point.

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    ellemck1
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 8:15 am

    DOCTOR WHO LOVE ON THE COMMENTS!!!!! This makes me happy, I love it all so much! Cried like a baby during the last episode of Season 7. And other episodes too…

    I hope I can comment more about everything later, school has just gotten even busier with finals being three weeks away. I guess it helps that this is the last episode till January, so I can focus on that.

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    WendyBird
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 8:44 am

    Ahhhh I don’t have time to reply to everything! Curse you work! Why did I have to close and then open.

    Butttttttt Adventure: It’s funny you bring up James Bond because I actually hate, hate, hate, James Bond. I never got what was appealing about him. My brother and parents are pretty big James Bond fans and I’d always go see a different movie. Do not like the Bond! Now, Indiana Jones on the other hand…

    Ahh, you’re at the end of season 2? All my feelings right there. Rose and the Doctor are my OTP. But one of my favorite episodes is coming up in Season 3. It’s a Doctor Light episode and will scare the ever loving pants off you. It’s called Blink.

    Ellen: I haven’t finished the episodes for Season 7. I watched the first, but I really didn’t like 6 with River becoming, to me at least, more important than the Doctor. I don’t know, it bothered me. I’m hoping with the new companion I’ll get back into it again more. If not, I always have Ten and the 50th anniversary specials next year!

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    ellemck1
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 10:28 am

    omg, Blink… that. episode. It also contains one of the best lines ever. And the season two finale of DW tore me apart. My love of Rose and the Doctor.

    At least we’ll have the Doctor to make the hiatus a little better.

    I really cannot describe how much I love the OUAT version of Snow White. She’s awesome, caretaker and really tough. I think she would have been my childhood hero if she had been around then.

    I might be a little disappointed if Cora is the Queen of Hearts, just because she seems like the obvious answer. But I hope we get to see Jefferson and Neal, AND FREAKING AUGUST/PINOCCHIO! I mean, they can’t make us wait till the next half of the season for where he is, can they?

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    April
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 11:26 am

    I was at Disney World last week. You will love it! Have a fun trip!

    I heard something about that they would have Ariel and Ursula this season but it has not panned out yet. They did mention them this episode so maybe we will see them soon and Ariel has to go get the ink for them or something from Ursula since she is some kind of squid thing. We will have to see.

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    iwantadventure
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Hehe! I see I’ve veered our OUAT conversation into a totally different dimension

    @Wendy and Ellen: When my friend got me into it she sort of have away that something happens to Rose as did other people who I told I was watching. I kept asking my friend if it was like Graham’s death and will I cry and throw a tantrum?! Sure enough it was that bad…Different and the same which is all sad. I haven’t started season 3 yet because I needed an emotional break. I’ll look out for the episode you mentioned! The season two finale was horrible! I’m getting teary-eyed thinking about! The first two season have taught me a lot for example always bring a banana to a party and holograms are the worst invention ever because it usually means someone is doomed!

    And Snow thinks she and Charming have it rough! :-/

    Oh I hope August comes out at the last second!!! That would make the whole finale so worth it!!!

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    iwantadventure
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    @April: They mentioned Ariel and Ursula this episode? I know the new princess we’re meeting is Katerina

    OMG it’s going to be on soon! O.o

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    hot cawfee
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    OK– have my notebook, pen, wine (LARGE) and tissues—am trying to tell myself that they cannot kill a major character so no worries but am still scared.
    I love how much thinking and theorizing goes on before during and after The Show!!!!!!!!

    my cap code is……….treat yo self wha???????????????

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    sagittariuskim
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    I like that the writers went the predictable route this season. Since they didn’t do it at all last season, the predictable is not the unexpected.

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    sagittariuskim
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    *not should be now

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    iwantadventure
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    @Sagi: Interesting perspective! I like it! Though I kind of feel like there’s a slight flaw in the character development and the expected doesn’t sit well with me in this case. “An excellent subject to be discussed…” Later lol!

    Over all it was fabulous!!! Hook delivers THE best line this season and I can’t wait to relish in its utter perfection! When OUAT comes back it’s going to be chock full of crazy magical madness, so the usual lol! In the mean time I’m going to get my hiatus on by watching Doctor Who until the January premiere!

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    sagittariuskim
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    @Adventure: I might have to check Dr.Who out too, and see what all the fuss is about.

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    iwantadventure
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    @Sagi: Yes check it out!!! I didn’t believe the fuss but I really enjoyed the first two episodes I watched with my friends then continued on my own out of boredom and have been watching for the past two weeks, at every opportunity I get! I definitely recommend it! How will we discuss all these shows together? lol!

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    WendyBird
    Posted December 3, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    OH MY GOD YOU GUYS

    I just watched the episode. I got called back into work last night *sniff* Delayed my Once watching.

    I can’t wait for the recap and to hash out all my thoughts and finish clearing up my allergies.

    I saw three things coming in the episode but it didn’t detract. With all the build up to Whale, Cora was bound to be a bit easier to trounce out. It raises so many more questions though!

    Sidenote: The tea cup lamp in Gold’s shop next to David’s sleeping body is from Anthropologie, and I own it. My mom got it for me as a birthday present for my 20th, which consisted of all Alice themed gifts from her. I never thought I’d be yelling “HEY I OWN THAT!!!!!!!!” while watching Once.

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    WendyBird
    Posted December 3, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    SagKim: Definitely check out Doctor Who. Start with the revival at the 9th doctor and watch up till now, then it’s fun to go back and watch the super cheesy originals from the 70′s with Doctors 1-8. The 5th doctor is my favorite classic Doctor, Jelly Babies! But Ten (David Tennant) is my absolute favorite doctor ever. And Rose is my favorite companion followed by the absolutely amazing Catherine Tate as Donna Noble.

    I’m mildly fangirling, I apologize. I need to watch the rest of 7 and try to get back into the series again. Season 6 lost me.

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    iwantadventure
    Posted December 3, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    I am so excited to discuss! I was afraid the finale end on some huge cliff hanger but it was quite neat and tidy…This makes me worry for the rest of the season!

    I’m a bit disappointed in Emma…To be discussed further in the official recap!

    Rose!!! Uh! I can’t! I started season three, I loved The Shakespeare Code, that and the Charles Dickens episode made me have an English Major-gasm! But I especially loved that episode for the Harry Potter references. It just made me giggle because David Tennant is Barty Crouch Jr. I always loved the 4th book and movie the most, now even more so! It’s funny because I really liked the 9th Doctor and was upset at the end of the first season, of course they had to toy with that emotion further in season two!

    Something to ponder while wait for the offical recap: If in fact the expected is now the unexpected do you suppose there will be a traumatic death this season?

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    hot cawfee
    Posted December 3, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    @ 42 I Want–boy I hope not.
    Little thought to toss out—what was up with everyone dressing in the same color?? Regina, Rumpy, Cora, Henry, Belle–hhmmm– curious—you guys know I focus on this stuff.
    And slow claps to Belle– rescued by 2 hotties–Hook and Jefferson. Damn girl. And yes–best line of the night to Hook–cheeky boy.
    Cannot wait to watch again and sob for Regina——her mother/daughter conflict almost broke me. But then Gold had to toss her his remark about maybe the group will invite her for dinner sometimes. And Emma, Snow, Charming, Henry, Red and the dwarves walked down to Grannys.
    Sigh………………….and that did me in.

    And who is the “dead fairy” Rumpy and Regina referred to ?????

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    hot cawfee
    Posted December 3, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    OOOOOPPPPSSSS_—disregard–Hook didnt rescue Belle—damn Cawfee-less decaf!!

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    WendyBird
    Posted December 3, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Cawfee: At first I thought it was the Fairy Godmother he offed but he said “no one would miss her” Some I’m guessing its Maleficent. She’s the only bad fairy I can think of and Emma slayed her dead.

    I too, noticed a lot of blue. I also hope to see MM in something other than that horrendous pink sweater. Really girl.

    As for the end, I was waiting, waiting for someone SOMEONE to look back at Regina and invite her. But no Broke my little heart. The road to redemption is going to be long and hard, but I think she’s proving to everyone that she wants to be a better person.

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    hot cawfee
    Posted December 4, 2012 at 6:02 am

    I agree Wendy—I have had many moments of sympathy for Regina—she sees the results of her actions ie performing magic. I thought Emma or Henry would have called to her.

    I am a little excited for a potential Questing of Mulan and Aurora—yay!!!!!! It has shades of The Snow Queen–Mulan is totes the Little Robber Girl. Aurora as Gerda is a great fit.
    I am glad we have a little time to regroup and research–I have my Hans Christain Andersen Anthology (last years gift–its beautiful!!!! edited by the awesome Maria Tatar) and we may need to invoke some Joseph Campbell so we have out questing criteria ready!!!!!
    SQUEEEEEEEEEEEE——–its alot of time away but we will soldier thru.

    Hey— did anyone read or hear a theory about a little sapphic turn???? With Mulan and Aurora???

    bbwwaahhaaaa— my capcode is…..righty tighty
    Thats funny

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    iwantadventure
    Posted December 4, 2012 at 11:22 am

    @Cawfee: I feel like the show set a precedence when they killed Graham and with Cora and her dastardly ways running amok around Storybrooke we have to anticipate a character getting axed.

    Where is August and his magical box?! I really expected him to be in this episode! We better get to him lots when it comes back!

    They were all wearing Blue? Interesting…Blur is a serene color but it can also be sad, I can’t remember if it’s a good color to wear on job interviews…Oh! It’s the color of water and this was a renewal of sorts, like the lake used to restore the bean that brought Hook and Cora there.

    I feel bad for Neal, Emma is going to punch him, Henry is going to punch him, Snow is going to punch him and Charming is going to punch him…You don’t mess with Snow and Charming’s baby! Whale will probably join in because he’ll be glad he’s not being punched.

    I felt so bad for Regina. Emma is better than that, she thanked her when they were standing by the well. I’m disappointed. Henry too, Regina should have been celebrated! She was the hero! It would have set up the stage for real change. But really put Regina in the wicked step mother role again. She needs a love interest, to hug right now!!!

    I’m curious to see where this land of souls is…Is it Hades underworld? Will we meet Persephone and the like…Is it Sheoul…Is it where the characters from Lost are now? Narnia? The references to a world of souls are everywhere…How will they get there?! It’s exciting but I’m also curious about who is the caretaker of these souls and what will they have to sacrifice to bring Phillip back?!

    I am so glad you mentioned it, after Mulan performed that very complicated bit of heart surgery on Aurora there was so much sexual tension I was SURE they were going to kiss each other…That would show Phillip! lol! Personally, I don’t see that happening. The show wants good attention and unfortunately that doesn’t generate enough good attention. If it was on HBO that is exactly what would have happened but to maintain the lively family friendly nature they’re not going to be able to do it…So instead they’ll find the good looking boy to keep between them lol! I’m happy Phillip is coming back, I want to know the story of him and Mulan! Perhaps they’ll annoy me less if I know them better.

    What is this capcode?

    @Wendy: So this dead fairy, I also thought it was Cinderella’s fairy but then when Rumpel said “No one mourns her” I thought maybe it was another Wizard of Oz nod because “No One Mourns The Wicked” is like the first song in Wicked…Which would make sense, we haven’t exactly seen witches and Glinda and Elphaba seem more like fairies in the OUAT sense! Maleficent was a fairy?

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    sagittariuskim
    Posted December 4, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    @Adventure Yeah, remember in the story of Sleeping Beauty. There were 13 fairies, but the King only invited 12 to the party. Maleficent was the 13 uninvited fairy.

    I was picking up some serious lesbian vibes from Aurora and Mulan too. PottyMouth might be right about that threesome.

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    iwantadventure
    Posted December 4, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    @Sagi: Right right right! I totally blanked on Malefici being the othe fairy. That would be ironic, Aurora’s witch almost prevented Snow and Emma from coming home.

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    iwantadventure
    Posted December 4, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Sheesh the typos in that are atrocious, I apologize

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    hot cawfee
    Posted December 4, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Is the Regina not invited going to morph into what happened in “Sleeping Beauty”???? The invitation to the fairy that got lost and thinking she waas excluded purposely, cursed Sleeping Beauty?????
    hhhhhmmmmmmmm

    I think the ass-kicking from Snow to Neal will be EPIC!!!!!!!!!
    And we missed alot of our StoryBrooke friends—-August, Gepetto, and Archie may be storing up (quasi pun intended) for their big story line as Hook sails into town.
    Please bring back our Sheriff McHottypants—pouring out a little wine for the Graham.

    I’d love it if we start rocking mythology!!!!! Winter is a good time for Persephone and Demeter!!!!!!!I saw pomegranates in the supermarket!!–yay-its a sign!!!!!!

    I felt the sexual tension too—and its not the first we have seen it on the show—between Red and Charming, Hook and Emma, Hook and Cora……will be happy to see ABC take a leap and go with a love story between Mulan and Aurora

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    iwantadventure
    Posted December 4, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Yes yes yes bring Graham back! I miss our Huntsman!

    I suspect this leaving Regina out is going to parallel the back story of how Snow, Charming and co took back the kingdom, it would tie right in with the third storyline OUAT always try to keep on the back burner.

    Disney owns Hercules so by all means I’m sure it’s possible.

    I want to know more about this Princess Katerina, supposedly she’s just sure nice a d kind and overall amazing…But who is she?! Is she in FairyTale Land or Storybrooke? If she’s in Storybrooke who is she really? The name certainly doesn’t offer much, this we are experts in

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    WendyBird
    Posted December 5, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    I was seriously weepy for Regina. I was like “SOMEONE! ANYONE!” I mean, ugh. Guyssssssssssssss she saved your lives. Okay, so she got you lost in that other realm and potentially almost killed you but then she saved them! That’s gotta count for something.

    I’m going to guess the third yarn is going to be about Mulan and Aurora trying to save Phillip and they’ll keep in touch via the red room (or maybe belle will find her magic mirror?)

    I too miss a bunch of people, most importantly, WHERES AUGUST??!?!?!?!? Its really bugging me! Even little glimpses would be nice but it’s like he never existed!

    Recap tomorrow!!!!!! I have so much to hash out and Ive been doing a poor job keeping quiet till then.

    I don’t think we’ll see a thing between Aurora and Mulan, Disney still owns all the rights and I read an interview about how they’re very protective of the characters images, though they do give the writers a lot of rope, I don’t think they’d be hip on that. I’m more wondering that if there was something between Phillip and Mulan, what’s going to happen when Phillip wakes up and is back with Aurora? Also, did Shang die? Will Mulan be torn between her friendship with Aurora and wanting her gone? Will August ever show up again?

    INQUIRING MINDS NEED TO KNOW!

    I also don’t think we’re going to see a major death. Not in the sense of Graham which was shocking and upsetting. This seasons been setting up some shocking deaths, (Lancelot?! But why!) but I can’t think of anyone with significance that’s also disposable. Graham (sadly) was, they needed to stall Emma believing and with the Huntsman getting his memories back, he’d probably convince Emma in no time. He had to go. I’ve been pondering and pondering, but I can’t find anyone plausible for death.

    I’m rambling and we’re getting the recap tomorrow, I’ll shush for now!

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    hot cawfee
    Posted December 6, 2012 at 5:51 am

    Oh the places we can go!!!!!!!!—- Atlantis, Hades, realm of the Snow Queen,

    *** Snow Queen deals with a mirror–this may set us up for something nifty

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    PottyMouth
    Posted December 6, 2012 at 8:14 am

    You guys are so awesome.

    Just a quick update….the recap WILL be done today, buuuut probably a little later than usual. I’ve got a bit of a fire drill that’s been going on at work all week and it’s put me a wee bit behind. Just wanted to let you know because I didn’t want y’all to think anything was wrong!

    See ya soon……
    SWAK, PottyMouth