Survivor Recap: Booby Trap

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   cattyfan
   Posted October 1, 2012 at 3:04 pm

   “Booby trap” was one of the most accurate and hilarious descriptions…but, sadly, they got rid of Roxy just when I started to love her a bit. ‘Cept for the whole “speaking in tongues” thing. Yikes. However, as much as I didn’t appreciate the “speaking in tongues,” I also didn’t appreciate Denise dismissing it so blithely. Interesting that a “therapist” is so cavalier about others’ beliefs. I would think she would be more accepting and understanding…but she is as judgmental as people accuse Christians of being.

   Is Russell incapable of shutting the hell up?

   I loathe BBB (Big Boob Banker.)

   I hope all the team members ridiculing Lisa note that twice they have succeeded because of her abilities with puzzles. Doesn’t that make it worth at least considering keeping her?

   Cookies make everything better…but you shouldn’t admit that at Tribal.

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   cattyfan
   Posted October 1, 2012 at 3:05 pm

   make that “Boobs” plural.

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   juddfan
   Posted October 1, 2012 at 3:17 pm

   I wish Roxy just prayed to herself, or said a “thank god” for the talking head. She really carried on with it, and just replace God with anything else, like cookies . . . “oh thank you sweet cookies for saving me and bringing the sun and making me warm, thank you sweet cookies, thank you thank you sweet cookies, alluieosfioeithgoinregskd fljs-

   Man! Makes me crazy and it sounds crazy. . . I know for a fact I would pray to God to win a challenge, or for the rain to stop, but again, I’d likely keep it to myself-I know it makes people nuts when they think a contestant thinks God has nothing better to do than help them win a reality television competition . . . I think we’ll never quite know, but my catholic upbringing has instilled it in me to automatically say, “Please God, don’t make me throw-up, anything but that!”

   Angie is rather pretty. Can’t get past the hair on Malcolm, so again, you grrrls, go at it!

   I felt bad for Lisa, coz I think she’s got some problems . . . could be fame, and losing fame, then losing money . . . but the problems seem deeper . . . she should talk to the shrink girl if she gets a chance (yes, I’m kidding . . . ) Whatever’s got her, I’m not sure she’ll find her way out of it here . . .

   Glad Mike didn’t keep cutting himself this time . ..

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   considerthis
   Posted October 1, 2012 at 5:21 pm

   I thought pagent girls had an answer for ANY question? World Peace, Children are our future, Need to keep Mother Earth happy and healthy etc. etc. Cookies??? Wanted Probst to probe – was there any specific type of cookie or just a smattering of cookies spread out at camp.

   There are still cast members who have yet to utter a word on camera because this team sux so much. Gonna go out on a limb and say their luck changes this week and another tribe is sent to Tribal Council.

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   Derek Hazelton
   Posted October 1, 2012 at 5:39 pm

   @Juddfan, Roxy was praying to herself and Denise observed her and then made bitchy, judgmental comments based on her own preconceived notions of organized religion. It almost felt as if Itchy went to the Phillipines! Seriously, though, I could understand Denise’s wariness if Roxanne were trying to force the tribe into prayer circles and religious activities, but she prayed for herself by herself. I really didn’t see the big deal and didn’t understand why Denise would automatically distrust her because she had a walk in faith. Denise’s unnecessary bitchiness made me like her a lot less and I am looking forward to when Malcolm, Angie, and Russell blindside her old bitter non-religious ass.

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   Aholic
   Posted October 1, 2012 at 5:46 pm

   I finally realized who Malcolm reminds me of. Justin Bobby from The Hills!

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   myfavoritesunglasses
   Posted October 1, 2012 at 5:49 pm

   Lisa needs to have her Dawn moment and then get her shit together. She’s an actress for crying out loud — play the role of a fun but motherly older lady and get over yourself!

   I was also really put off by Denise’s reaction to Roxy. I’m by no means religious, but Roxy was clearly doing it just for herself and the others were near enough to hear. Unless there was some more overbearing stuff that got left on the editing room floor, her reaction was pretty rude.

   As for Malcolm .. get it together! You’re my pick to win it all! A guy who vows to play like Brian Heidik and then goes and does this .. grrrrreat.

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   juddfan
   Posted October 1, 2012 at 5:51 pm

   Derek, yea, I see your point, but it was still out loud and filmed. I’m just saying, if she was silently praying, or meditating, no one would have been the wiser. You know the editors would have shown every prayer, every time, esp if she was speaking in tongues, or whatever she was doing. There would have been a lot of sweet cookies up in here!!!

   And please take it lightly . . . I don’t want to start one of those religion things in here again.

   ; )

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   cattyfan
   Posted October 1, 2012 at 6:08 pm

   what Derek Hazelton said.

   Now shall we discuss what kind of cookies make life better? I’ll start with chocolate crinkles.

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    Derek Hazelton
    Posted October 1, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    @Juddfan, I definitely take Survivor lightly. I just found the episode quite bothersome because if Denise made the same comments amount Roxy being African-American and said she was uncomfortable because of that, it would have been a much bigger deal. I would have much preferred Denise to just say that she didn’t like Roxy, for whatever reasons, than to say she’s untrustworthy because she isn’t an atheist. Denise came off as a condescending bitch and I am looking forward to her being blindsided or even making a Lisi- style faceplant.

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    Robin
    Posted October 1, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Thanks PottyMouth!

    What the hell? Russell? I used to like him. He has gone off the rails. He used to be a reflective, respectful tribemember. All I can think of, is that he has been mad at himself for falling out the last time and he thinks it was weak. So subconsciously he thinks being “Strong Like Bull”, means being a big meanie. So much for my curbside psychoanalysis.

    Who does Avenue Maria think she is? “Jugg’s better not screw her”? If I remember correctly, Juggs is the one who told Ave about the clue and doesn’t owe her a damn thing for road taxes.

    COOKIES?! I LOVED it. Darnnit, sometimes cookies just make things better. They truly can’t hurt. Especially when your tribe has been going down the tubes every week.

    I also think that saying cookies was also a better response to the question. She could have said, “We need to get rid of that big mouth Russell, Denise has way too much to say all the time and Roxy really needs to go immediately.

    Instead, she said “Cookies”. ))

    TC, Robin

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    itchy
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 12:14 am

    Well, there’s a huge difference between being African-American and being christian. No one is born a christian — it’s not a race, it’s not even an ethnicity — it’s a religion, i.e., a choice (albeit, a choice initially made by one’s parents). So that comparison doesn’t wash at all.

    And Denise was simply being wry about it. My goodness. And no doubt she’d already been subjected to several days of Roxy’s admitted laziness, self-righteousness, jealousy and pot-stirring. So there’s a good chance her condescension was well-grounded in Roxy’s personality more than in her silly religosity. Which really is silly. I mean, come on now.

    Hell, Denise was a LOT more generous than I would be in the face of that kind of over-the-top holier-than-thouness. I mean, really, that idiot not only believed her prayers had caused the sun to shine, but she even started speaking in tongues about it! Be honest people! You too would have been rolling your eyes at her! (Well, maybe not Cattyfan… )

    Also consider that, as a sex therapist, much of Denise’s practice no doubt involves unraveling the damage her patients have suffered because of the fucked up “morality” of so many religions that convinces believers that a necessary and natural part of human behavior is somehow sinful or wrong — I’d say she probably has a deeper insight into the horrowshow that is religion than most of us. In that light, her ‘condescension’ was quite restrained.

    Just as I’m amused by people’s condescending sniggering at Malcolm and Angie — you can’t have it both ways, you know. If you’re going to whine about Denise rolling her eyes at the religidiot, you can’t look down on Malcolm for doing what EVERY SINGLE normal heterosexual male would do when put in the same situation. (And you know there was no way Russell was going to get rid of Angie either! Hell, Denise probably likes having her around too.)

    But that’s religion for you. It’s all about the perversion of the human spirit. Up is down. Black is white.

    Meantime, I’m not too worried for Russell’s tribe. These Survivor twists rarely make it past the third episode. They’ll be combining into two tribes soon enough.

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    itchy
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 12:29 am

    Oh yeah. Not only all that, but what did Denise do, really? She wasn’t being disrespectful or condescending to Roxy, was she? She didn’t go up and laugh in Roxy’s face about her silliness, did she?

    She was merely making a comment — by herself for herself — which happened to be caught on camera (just like Roxy PERFORMED her speaking in tongues for the camera too!).

    And what are WE doing? We’re all making snarky, condescending comments about other people’s behavior. Pot? Kettle? Black?

    I don’t recall Denise ever labeling herself as an atheist either — she merely stated the obvious, that god’s not going to help her win Survivor.

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    Mama Llama
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 1:15 am

    I agree with Denise’s comment: “Anything that’s going to get me to the end of the game is going to be to me.”
    I didn’t take it to mean she was an athiest or anything.
    I thought it was more her opinion that God, Jesus, Budda, Xenu, Obi Wan Kenobi, or Spongebob Squarepants should not be prayed to or asked for help, in winning money on a damn reality show!

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    J-Mo
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 1:46 am

    POTTYMOUTH! Girl, loving reading you again! And I may be alone, but I am finding the constant butt shots of Penner to be quite sexy…

    love, J-Mo

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    itchy
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 1:55 am

    I think you’ve got this one all to yourself, J-Mo. Until Mr. Dangerous comes along…

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    Derek Hazelton
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 6:22 am

    @Itchy and @MamaLlama, I guess I don’t understand what the big deal is. Was it OK for Sophie to manipulate the prayer circle alliance that Coach/Lil Hantz/et al created when she openly admitted after the game that she wasn’t particularly religious to win? I’m assuming that would be acceptable in your book, but honestly believing it isn’t, which is confounding to me. I think my bigger issue is Denise’s personal attack on the basis of religious belief which has nothing to do with the game of Survivor. Denise could have easily voted Roxy out because she was lazy and threatening to target Denise’s allegiance in the game, but instead focused on Roxy’s religion and because of it said Roxy wasn’t trustworthy, which makes no sense to me.

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    itchy
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 7:08 am

    All Denise did was roll her eyes at Roxy’s ridiculousness and rightfully point out that god ain’t going to help her win the game. And Roxy made herself untrustworthy by running to Russell with every bit of information she gleaned.

    As for the other season, who the fuck cares? Or even remembers? But yes, I’d say it’s fair game to manipulate people’s religiosity — since those people were using their religiosity in an attempt to manipulate the game (i.e., calling on jeebus to help them win challenges). Once again, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Anyway, I’m not making a big deal out of this. I feel no need to pander to people’s superstitions, and just because one calls their particular fairy tale a ‘religion’ does not mean I am obliged to treat their beliefs respectfully.

    And before anyone jumps at that: Atheism is NOT a belief. It is a conviction based on rational thought supported by scientific evidence. I promise you, the moment anyone can show true scientific evidence for the existence of any kind of deity, I will be happy to accept it as reality. But no one has, ever. And frankly, it’s an almost certainty they never will.

    But I truly wish Survivor would stop bringing on these religious freaks. It’s ruining the show. Of course, with a bible thumper as executive producer, that’s unlikely to happen.

    I’d much rather discuss bikinis. Truly.

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    ScooterD
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 7:46 am

    @ Itchy… Well said. Totally agree. So sick of people praying to help them get further in a reality show. How many of these people are going to tithe the 10% or whatever their “church” requires if they win? None of them!

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    timgunnssister
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 8:07 am

    Ave Maria scares me. ‘You’re dead to me’? Really? Who is she, the Godfather? And didn’t I hear her say she’d kill Juggs if she found out she was lying?

    I mean, I’m not certain we can chalk this up to her not being a native speaker. Maybe she watched Scarface too many time, but still. Scary.

    As to getting rid of Roxy, she was dead weight around camp and at the challenges. And other tribe members ARE paying attention to that sort of thing.

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    crankyguy
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 8:21 am

    “Atheism is NOT a belief. It is a conviction based on rational thought supported by scientific evidence.”

    Please. It is too a belief. Is too! What else could it be when you believe that there is no God and you regularly proselytize for atheism. And it is NOT a belief “supported” by scientific evidence. It is a belief maintained by the LACK of scientific evidence that God exists.

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    Mister_Dangerous
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Agree with J-MO on Penner. Through all the rain I was searching for “outlines” of his stuff.

    My only comment about Roxy is: I thought Christian people were supposed to be kind and loving and helpful. I thought religious people were all about feeding the poor and helping the sick. [Well, when they're not fixated on other people's sex lives, stopping women from having safe & legal abortions and preventing gay people from getting married.]

    You know, that Roxy seemed really ANGRY.
    No matter what tongue she was speaking in she came off as a little crazy and very AGITATED. I think she needs some therapy or at the very least she should go to confession and ask for forgiveness for her behavior.

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    crankyguy
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 8:24 am

    @timgunnssister, that’s how I remember it. At first she just said, “Dead to me.” But later, I thought she actually threatened physical harm to my beloved Banker Boobs, and for that, Ave Maria is dead to ME.

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    Jennasaisquoi
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Taking the religious debate out of it, I agree with itchy that it is a big jump to assume that Denise’s comment about not trusting Roxy was solely due to Roxy’s religious beliefs. The show is heavily edited, and there were more than likely many reasons for Denise to not trust Roxy. Particularly because she had previously formed an alliance with Malcom, and now Roxy was essentially attacking him as well.

    I think it’s noteworthy that even Russell voted for Roxy, so clearly the group as a whole were tired of her antics, and Russell and Denise discussed this beforehand. Otherwise why would Russell vote out an apparent ally.

    The preview for next week hint at other teams looking to oust the “Veterans” I really hope that happens…. then maybe some of the other contestants can get some camera time…

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    Mimo
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 8:32 am

    I can’t look at the fingernail of a baby, or a rainbow, or the wonder of a peony getting the greatest part of its beauty from the lowly ant without believing, without having faith, that there is a much larger hand in it. I know that’s not scientific, but that’s faith. And I sometimes feel bad for someone that doesn’t have that faith, because I know that without it, my life wouldn’t have the same joy. The same contentment.

    But I was raised to have tolerance – no – tolerance isn’t the right word. Acceptance of things and feelings I don’t understand. I’m heterosexual and freely admit that I don’t understand the longings, or desires, of someone who is not. But I accept that they have those feelings and it isn’t up to me to judge if they are right or wrong. I wish everyone believed. That is not realistic. I treat other people’s lack of faith with respect and hope they will treat my faith with respect also. Not because it’s a religion, but because I’m a human being.

    What the hell does this have to do with Survivor? I, also, wish they would keep the Bible thumpers out. Or at the very least, not stack the deck with them. There have been some Survivor alumni who weren’t as rabid as others about their faith. And if I were on Survivor I would much rather God work on something a little more important. Like world hunger or peace than helping me to win a competition. And FYI, if I won, I would tithe.

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    crankyguy
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 8:40 am

    I think Father Dan said that he tithed his Big Brother winnings. I think Li’l Hantz might have if he had won, but I’m pretty sure Coach would not. And Roxy was an angry bitch, but that is consistent with people who “talk in tongues.” THEY have the Holy Spirit within them, don’t ya know, so anyone who doesn’t talk in tongues is an inferior unworthy.

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    crankyguy
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Somebody refresh my memory. Wasn’t there some redneck preacher on a much earlier season who made everybody so sick of him in the first three days that he was the first voted out?

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    msjacqmills
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 8:51 am

    This is a great discussion! I love it when reading TVGasm makes me feel like I’m getting smarter.

    Oh, and I couldn’t stand Boobsy McBoobserstein. So, boy is it poetic justice that her whole “Like OMG, we are, like, totally gonna be, like, bff’s” bull-honkey with the psycho Columbian has back-fired.

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    Mimo
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 8:52 am

    I just remember the blond guy with the long hair that Coach sent to Redemption Island. And then he won his way back and then was voted right out again.

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    crankyguy
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 8:55 am

    msjacqmills, you are not maintaining the proper focus with respect to the wonderful Banker Boobs. What you must do is overlook the grating personality and focus on that magnificent chestial (Is that a word?) area. Hope that helps.

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    crankyguy
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 9:00 am

    @Mimo, I’m thinking a MUCH earlier season than for the Redemption Island blond guy. I’m thinking in the prehistoric days before hi-def. The guy I am thinking about was not just your garden variety Christian, but an actual hell and brimstone preacher with an attitude.

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    msjacqmills
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 9:18 am

    crankyguy – I”m not interested in her “magnificent chestial area”. I mean, hers is OKAY – but, not enough to shift focus away from her obnoxiousness and bad game-play. It’s too bad, because she seems like a smart girl…she should try using more of her brains and less of her bra collection (she has showcased a few – perhaps they are her luxury item?).

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    SouthernEssence
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 10:08 am

    “Atheism is NOT a belief. It is a conviction based on rational thought supported by scientific evidence.”

    Please. It is too a belief. Is too! What else could it be when you believe that there is no God and you regularly proselytize for atheism. And it is NOT a belief “supported” by scientific evidence. It is a belief maintained by the LACK of scientific evidence that God exists.

    Well said, CG…well said!!!

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    juddfan
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 10:16 am

    oh well, I wont blame myself for starting this, lets blame Roxy and Denise. Mimo said it best for me. I think we humans are wee, and would be nothing without some kind of other thing much bigger than us.

    Religion aside, I thought Roxy was kind of crazy, she came off that way, kind of obsessive, and that’s what I was trying to joke about. Praise cookies!!!

    Mr. D, and J-mo, Penner is all yours . . . I’ve got nothing this season . . . sniff . . . where’s Judd when I need him!!!

    : (

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    Mimo
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 10:29 am

    I think Roxy’s most telling statement, and that which bothers me more than her “speaking in tongues” was “I’m ex-military. I do what I’m told.”

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    Mimo
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 10:50 am

    @crankyguy – it must have been Thailand (Season 4). First one voted out was John Raymond, a pastor from the south. that’s all I could find.

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    crankyguy
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 11:12 am

    @Mino, thanks. Yep, that’s the guy. Using the name you gave and Google, I found an article stating that he got fired from his church in 2004 after Survivor and sued over it. I think his church is one of the main “talking in tongues” denominations, by the way.

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/januaryweb-only/1-26-42.0.html

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    sweetblondie
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Itchy….

    Word.

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    sweetblondie
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Mimo…fingernails and rainbows are explained via science. Like, Grade 5 science even…

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    Mimo
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    I guess I got told. So much for respecting each other.

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    itchy
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    I too worship at the church of Boob, crankyguy. I beeeelieeevvveeee in boobies! Hallelujah! Glory be to boobies!

    But like I said, I can’t trust a gal whose tits are bigger than her head.

    And yeah, that Ave Maria is one scary person — bet Ms. Banker Boobs is second-guessing aligning with her…

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    itchy
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Ah, mimo, I didn’t see your comment. It’s quite possible to see the glory and beauty — and rejoice! — in nature without having recourse to some higher power. In fact, it makes it all so much sweeter, knowing that we are here and have all of this, despite the odds. It makes life, the world, the universe that much more precious to know that it’s literally all we have, and if we screw it up, there’s no do-over (for us humans, anyway). To be here, among the billions of planets and galaxies, to have all this? How can one not rejoice in this? Truly there is absolutely no need for a god. In fact, a god would only cheapen the majesty of it.

    But sure, one can call of this ‘god’ if one insists. Nature can handle the presumptuousness of this. On the other, it’s not certain humanity will survive our religions…

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    ZipLock
    Posted October 2, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    My problem with the religious types is they tend to be bullies. Pray with us or you’re an outsider. The worst were Hantz Jr. and Coach. Although, Hantz was obviously mentally ill as well, how he got past the psychological testing is anyone’s guess. I know there have been numerous contestants who’ve prayed along and then privately rolled their eyes for the camera saying they have to do it or they’ll be ostracized. If there is a god, I hope he’s not watching Survivor.

    Personally, I subscribe to the wise words of Douglas Adams: Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?

    Having weighed in on that. I like the shrink, like Mike (or maybe I pity him?), don’t like Penner or Russell, and can’t say anyone else has really made an impression. It always takes me a while to figure out who’s who and on which tribe. I also agree with Itchy, who said that they’ll change things up before Russell’s tribe is decimated. They always put a twist in fairly quickly to shake up the tribes.

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    PinkTop
    Posted October 3, 2012 at 7:31 am

    As expected, Malcolm let his douche flag fly high and mighty in this episode. Crush over before it began. Prediction – if Malcolm makes it to the merge, which he likely will, he will mack on more chicks then derp & duh about it in interviews & tribal.

    I hope the teased veteran oust happens sooner rather than later, starting with Penner & Russell. Poopin can stay a little bit longer, something about him entertains me, but not go too too far or (god forbid) win.

    Abi is now rivaling Boobs for the most grating position.

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    AmyOops
    Posted October 3, 2012 at 10:04 am

    @itchy: Your comments 12 and 13…right on! I can’t read the rest of the comments right now but wanted to agree with your views. Denise, in my opinion, wasn’t being “evil”. I’m actually glad Roxy is gone. She was a bit too…something…for my taste. Kind of holier-than -thou.

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    Moli
    Posted October 3, 2012 at 10:31 am

    I just want someone to explain to me why Christianity is called Christianity when the religion is based off the teachings of Saul/Paul. I simply can’t get into the religion based off of someone who NEVER…EVER said ‘Hey let’s all stop being Jewish and created a new religion, where you pray to/through me’. Jesus is all rights wanted everyone to be BETTER Jews(no I’m not a Jewish person). I have no problem with anyone’s religion, you pray to invisible people who can read your mind…rock on….you pray to the trees and squirrels…keep on rockin’. I have a problem with people who push their religions on you and then judge you because you don’t share their beliefs.

    Now, I can understand completely why Roxy started praying(considering she’s a devout Christian) out of happiness and perceived the ‘blessing’ of sunshine. I don’t understand the gibberish she decided to start spewing out of her lips OVER.KILL. I gave Denise a slow clap when she made her statement and yell ‘ now that’s what I’m talking about’ to the TV. I don’t remember hating Russell so much the last time he was on.

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    timgunnssister
    Posted October 3, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Regardless of her beliefs, Roxy was, well, disquieting. It seemed that she latched onto the whole ‘dangerous’ couple issue after she had already expressed her dislike and distrust of Miss Tata or whatever her name is (Amy maybe? Whatever). Yes, they’re huge, they’re fake and they undoubtedly double as a flotation device but boobage aside, she seems like a nice though somewhat vapid person. That said, I suspect the vapid part is an act (not true for Malcolm, sadly, he seems truly vapid). Kinda hard for a girl to succeed in the pageant system nowadays without having some smarts and sense of gameplay (it’s all just a game). Gone are the days you could bat your eyes and shake your tatas and win.

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    itchy
    Posted October 3, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    I got the feeling Roxy was staring at Ms. Teen Boob’s tits even more than Malcolm (and Russell) were, which is why she was so eager to get rid of her. Kind of the way that younger Hantz idiot acted around boobs on his season.

    I don’t blame Malcolm at all for keeping warm. He seemed pretty bright at first, but the last episode made him out to be more of a giggly airhead. We’ll see…

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    Mimo
    Posted October 3, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    @Moli – not sure if your question is tongue in cheek or not. (Confirmation teachings don’t fail me now) Christianity was not based on the teachings of (S)Paul. It is based on the teachings of Christ, of whom Paul was a disciple. As Paul spread the word that the prophecy of a Messiah had happened people started referring to him and like minded people as “(Christ)ians”. It was meant as a slur.