Teen Mom Recap: The Lone Heart State

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   Annie
   Posted August 15, 2012 at 4:24 pm

   I havent seen the ep yet, but your recap had me rolling! hahaha, especially the “Gary’s man-boobs” comment!!

   the dude ditched Farrah….in Texas…..while on their TRIP? Am I a horrible person for saying: “AWESOME!”?

   Will commence with watching the episode, and will return later…..

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   April
   Posted August 15, 2012 at 5:28 pm

   I don’t see why moving yet again to another house is going to prevent vandalism against Amber. It has happened at two houses so far if I have it correct. It will continue to happen as long as she is on tv and people can see where she lives. Is anyone else getting the vibe that Amber’s new friend is a lesbian that has the hots for Amber? I don’t know why I thought that.

   Gary was being an ass though as usual. If he was busy putting together stuff he probably should have wanted Amber to come get Leah. Everyone knows putting together anything with toddlers under foot is a freaking nightmare. So I think he was playing games with her and trying to say “No” just for the hell of it. But that is just my guess.

   I wanted to punch Maci with all her drama about Ryan and Dalis. Why is she so freaking concerned about them?! Notice that Kyle was like “Who cares, stay out of it!” He knows it is none of their business. She is just mad that Ryan doesn’t want her anymore. Ryan does not have to listen to her drama. He just needs to pick his son up and listen if there is anything relating to Bentley. Other than that, she needs to shut up. I wish he would get legal rights. She is still trying to boss him and she will continue to do so as long as she thinks she can get away with it.

   Also why did she have to miss class for a Garage Sale? She is so not serious about school yet again. Don’t Garage Sales usually happen on the weekends when classes would not be in session?! She is full of it.

   OMG Farrah was scaring that guy to hell with all her marriage and babies talk! I felt bad for him and his parents. She was being pretty nice and normal to him and then went off the deep end on this trip.. Too bad he seemed like a nice guy.

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   April
   Posted August 15, 2012 at 5:33 pm

   Kids are allowed to look at houses, but it is preferable not to have them with you. For one thing most houses you will look at are not going to be childproofed. So you turn your head for one second and your kid has either fallen down someone’s stairs or broke something of theirs.

   I know when I was a kid I got pissed when I returned to my room only to see all my toys were on the floor and messed with by whatever random kid was looking at the house with their parents. Its tacky. My parents took me to look at houses but I was like 7 or older and they had to keep an eye on me the whole time and it was totally boring for me. So on that I do kinda side with Amber as far as I would not want to take a toddler with me to look at houses either. But I also would have not scheduled house hunting the same day I had my daughter scheduled to visit.

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   April
   Posted August 15, 2012 at 6:07 pm

   Looks like they do Bentley’s birthday party at Pump it Up again. I am calling it that there will not be any kids there his age. All adults. Anyone wanna take that bet?

   That extra scene with Leah crying and wanting Amber to stay broke my heart. I actually think Amber is a good mother as far as when she is with Leah. If she wasn’t Leah would not be so happy and attached when she is with her. Now she does not have her mommy at all. So sad.

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   Sugarbush
   Posted August 15, 2012 at 6:41 pm

   @April – I think it’s a matter of good parenting vs bad parenting with the house hunting. I was constantly complimented by my realtor on my son’s behavior. Honestly, it’s just that he’s always been taught not to act like an asshole, especially when we’re not at home and he most certainly wouldn’t be allowed to play with someone else’s things when they’re not there. Amber probably would have gotten too frustrated with Leah, although she seems like a pretty tame kid.

   One of these days, I’m going to find Gary and punch the living shit out of him.

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   Sarah
   Posted August 15, 2012 at 6:48 pm

   OMG!! I haven’t even finished the episode – I am so upset and want to comment. I know there has been an overabundance of discussion re: Farrah’s childhood and mother “issues”. After seeing the scene with Dan’s father & stepmom – I am convinced that regardless of what kind of upbringing she had – Farrah is a very cruel person. Asking his stepmother her age and Farrah’s overexaggerated shock at the fact that the woman never had children was bad enough. The look on Dan, his father and his SM’s faces was obvious that she had crossed the line but to go further, tell the SM “Oh…you will be alone…” and then whip out a picture of Sophia is beyond awful.

   I am 43 and as I am sure Farrah would be quick to point out – am not likely to end up with any children of my own. I am blessed with a wonderful fiance who has two girls – 19 and 15 and for the last three years I have happily gone to basketball games, plays, end of the year shows and thanked God every moment that I finally get to experience some of that. There is always that fear, though that if something happens to him, 40 years down the road – I might be alone. Had I been in that situation, I would have held it together for approximately 3 minutes, made a polite comment about Sophia, created an “eyelash in my contact” situation, gone to the bathroom and sobbed my eyes out. Farrah is very aware of things – the way she made sure to work all the details about how young she was, etc. was obvious. She knew she made her mom uncomfortable with that stupid wig – to be so unbelievably cruel to someone she had never met is astounding and I cannot believe she did not know exactly what she was doing. Sorry this was so long – it just made me so upset.

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   Sarah
   Posted August 15, 2012 at 6:50 pm

   PS: I not saying that you need kids to be happy. Just for her to come in to a situation she knows nothing about and be such a little bitch is really unacceptable just on a human being level.

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   Annie
   Posted August 15, 2012 at 6:51 pm

   I am 33 years old, have a boyfriend for 2 years (LIVING together for 1 year) and we have not had nearly the amount of marriage talk Farrah had with that guy over one weekend. SCARY! Paddle away, with all your might, dude.

   The way Farrah was telling everyone in TX (his parents, the boot sales lady) “I have a DAUGHTER, Im gonna buy these boots for my DAUGHTER, my CHILD’s foot is not that big” it’s as if she was fishing around for “oh my god, you had a child at a young age and youre such a good mom!!” compliments. News flash Farrah….no one cares, and no one’s exactly proud of you. On top of that, it seems she thinks marriage is some sort of reward for getting knocked up….she had a child at such a young age she deserves to have a guy marry her right away! Girl, please…..

   BTW did anyone read the excerpts from her book? She goes into pretty good detail of how her and Derek snuck around her parents house having sex in her sister’s bed (she wasnt there, lol) and pretty much fucking at every opportunity, while her parents were asleep….and got busted by her dad a few times. She’s a complete tool.

   Meanwhile, I am watching Tyler and Cate’s segment and they are lightyears ahead of Farrah in the Maturity department. Even Catelynn with her sketchy college choices is a joy to watch compared to Farrah’s selfish antics.

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   JudgyWudgy
   Posted August 15, 2012 at 6:52 pm

   Okay, please don’t gather a mob with torches to come after me for what I’m going to say, because it’s kinda sorta defending Gary, but……am I the only one who heard him ask in their first phone conversation if she could take Leah the next day? I could’ve sworn she said yes and then balked with the houses excuse. Am I crazy!?

   Also, I was an overachiever in high school which of course meant I was a total slacker in college. I completely changed my major midway through my JUNIOR year, which is considered really late by most people, and still only graduated a semester off-course. You’re 100% right about generals; they take up so much time. Taking time off is just a copout for an underlying reason.

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    jane
    Posted August 15, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    I admit, whenever I watch Teen Mom and there is a “guest star”, I always think it is a fake MTV set up. For example, the guy Farrah was with (can’t remember his name, the date before Daniel in Florida) as opposed to Kyle with Maci who probably is a fixture in her life. With the introduction of Daniel, I automatically thought the same thing. But the way he described Farrah to his friend at the end of the episode was so accurate and convincing! She was horrible to his parents, passing judgment on the step mom, all the talk of marriage, it was really horrible to watch. I kept thinking , “Farrah you’re blowing it, stop it!” And seriously, Daniel’s reaction to her was very honest, if this was fake, hat’s off to that performance.

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    Classy Drunk
    Posted August 15, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    @Judgy…I’m with you. Gary asked would tomorrow work and Amber said yes. She is a recovering addict so there were probably more cop outs like this on other occasions.

    They ALL need therapy…

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    Bre
    Posted August 15, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    I don’t think Gary was the one being an asshole-he did ask amber if she wanted Leah and she did yes. Then she changed plans and yelled at him about it. She’s completely irrational and freaks put at the slightest problem. He’s raising their kid while she does OxyContin and bangs dudes. Come on, people! How could you side with her?

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    Dawn
    Posted August 15, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    Amber did say she would take Leah the next day and then reneged and blamed Gary, so this one was on her – but Gary is a total asswipe in almost every other situation. He’s a passive-aggressive jerk.

    @April – I disagree about Maci. I think she was right. Ryan is an idiot. He does nothing, no school, no job, just vegging out like a slug at his parents. He seems drugged half the time and can’t form a complete sentence. He did not know anything about what transpired between Maci and Dalis, but blamed Maci out of reflex, then didn’t want to hear anything she had to say about it. She was the one who said they have to get along for Bentley’s sake. They’re all still going to make mistakes because they’re young parents, but I think Ryan having custody would be a disaster. He’s a horrible role model.

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    Liz
    Posted August 15, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Amber did say she’d take Leah the day she decided to go house hunting. I agree with whoever said Amber simply should have scheduled it on another day, rather than the day she was supposed to see Leah. And though I agree with that, I still think Gary was an asshole about it. He basically tried to tell her she didn’t care about Leah at all because she asked to reschedule, and that seems really extreme and crappy to say to her. Just my two cents.

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    LaurenB52
    Posted August 15, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    I read on another site that Daniel said that he pulled Farrah aside off camera at the get together with his friends and told her it wasn’t going to work out and that he wasn’t returning to the hotel. Farrah has zero social skills and I go back and forth on whether the cruel things she said to Dan’s SM were said to intentionally hurt her or not. I would say she needs some intensive therapy but we’ve seen her therapy sessions and she seems so defensive and arrogant that I don’t know if she’s even open enough to criticism and suggestion for it to help.

    Did anyone hear her God awful song?

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    Chicken Lips
    Posted August 15, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    I had to rewind that scene with the stepmom because I thought I heard the Big F ask how old SM is and how she’s so old she wouldn’t have kids. But then I thought “No way – no normal person would EVER do something like that when meeting her future fiance’s parents for the first tim…oh, wait a minute – it’s Farrah.” so I rewound to confirm and I did hear correctly. She is such a selfish person – I don’t think she was abused as a child. I think it was the exact opposite – she’s a spoiled rotten brat. Once her parents realized the monsters they raised and tried to correct it, it was WAY too late but they don’t remember everything the parents did for them – they only remember the times when they DIDN’T get what they wanted. Ugh I hate her so much and I don’t even know her. If I did know her, I would have shoved my foot so far up her keester I could have parted her hair with my toes. She’s vile.

    And maybe I’m sick – but I liked your joke about the tree.

    And I was actually on Gary’s side for a minute or two…Amber whines about not being able to see her kid, the Shirt That Ate Indiana said how about tomorrow, Amber agrees then is all “Oh, my bad!” when STAI is getting ready to bring her over. I’m actually kind of on his side about not having anything to do with Amber since she can’t even be bothered to be with her child when she says she’ll be with her child. You lost custody, babycakes – you don’t get to call the shots.

    I’m disappointed in Cate and Tyler – I hope they do go back to school, but I was also wondering about why they didn’t just take all those crap classes and get them out of the way. I don’t think they will go back (I hope I’m wrong).

    How awesome was it when Ryan’s mom said “baby mama drama” and then Bentley repeated it? I thought that was wicked cute I would love to be in the room when he says it in front of Maci just to watch the show. I’ll bring the popcorn, who’s bringing the drinks?

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    LuckyLucy
    Posted August 15, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Pretty sure Gary’s punishment for being, well, Gary is a lifetime of being Amber’s baby daddy.

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    LaurenB52
    Posted August 15, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Quick little interview with Daniel. He seems like a nice guy and that he showed some reserve when discussing her in the interview says a lot. Had it been me I’d have let loose

    http://theashleysrealityroundup.com/2012/08/08/exclusive-daniel-alvarez-answers-questions-about-his-relationship-with-teen-mom-farrah-abraham/

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    LaurenB52
    Posted August 15, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    One more with Farrah. She is really vile

    http://www.momfinds.com/2012/exclusive-teen-mom-star-farrah-abraham-opens-up-about-relationship-regrets-and-overcoming-depression/

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    alice
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 3:22 am

    darn….Farrah got legs and would look great wrapped around my………….well anyways looks like BIG gary must workout but with the remote…rumor has it that this is the last season for theses messed up girls…what will they do..where will they go…its not to late for them to join the armed service…farrah and the rest of them could be in the airforce…spreading their wings..flying high and aiming high!!!!!
    better then walfare and foodstamps!!!! mtv could call back jenelle..lately her and kiefer have a pipe selling website going on…their flying high 24/7!!!!

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    lindaw205
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 4:23 am

    What an awful person Farrah is. She’s so spoiled and self centered and you could definitely see the lightbulb going off over Dan’s head during the meeting with his dad and stepmom.

    I’m so disappointed in Cate and Tyler, well, especially Tyler. I don’t think Catelyn ever wanted to go to school and now she seems to be pulling Tyler down with her. I mean, you take your core classes first so I just view this as an excuse not to go.

    And that house Amber was talking about buying……that MTV money isn’t going to last long and she’ll lose that house. Actually, they all seem to think this money is going to last forever so I guess she’s no different than the others.

    I’m glad this Teen Mom series is coming to an end and wish they would end the other one as well. It troubles me that there are girls out there looking at these idiots as role models to emulate.

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    classy drunk
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 4:42 am

    Why was no one telling Ty and Cate that they can take their core classes anywhere? Do they not do core classes in college anymore?

    I literally had my mouth open when Farrah was speaking to the step mother. I couldn’t believe she was being so rude. I don’t know if that was nervous chatter or what, but as the step mother I probably would have told her about herself.

    I can believe that Daniel told Farrah that he wasn’t coming back to the hotel. Farrah is a (ugly) crier. She cries about everything, so I kept waiting and waiting on the (ugly) tears and nothing happened.

    I get having a marriage talk after 6 weeks of dating but it’s moreso to get your views on it. Not I need to propose in a few months. YIKES!!!

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    Smango
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 5:15 am

    @Lauren- what site did you read about Dan and Farrah?

    I literally had to push my mouth closed when she was at dinner. She has the social skills of a serial killer! My mom would have knocked my head off my shoulders if I said anything like that…at the age of 3, which is when that kind of comment would be more expected. If that makes sense.

    What was the deal with Catelynn insisting that college advisors would only tell you what you want to hear? They aren’t selling her a car! Every advisor I encountered was like, “oh, this is what you want? Let me send you here.” or, as has been said above, take core classes! Maybe that’s what she doesn’t want the advisor to say.

    I rewound to see Amber tell Gary she would take Leah the next day, too. Anyone else notice the sweet Lincoln she’s cruising around in? With the zebra seat cover? I guess she got her license back. I was pleased that she didnt put those awful centipedes on her face this time.

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    bumblebee
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 6:12 am

    I don’t think it’s appropriate for kids to go everywhere, but house hunting seems pretty safe for everyone. It doesn’t make sense that she couldn’t take Leah. How those two cavemen got their DNA to combine into such an adorable, well-behaved little girl is beyond me.

    @Smango- I disagree. A serial killer that didn’t want to get caught would try to blend in as much as possible, not stand out for their vile behavior. I saw an article where she said she didn’t think she was rude to Daniel’s family. “I was just being me!” She claimed Daniel’s stepmother was “overly dramatic” and “wanted to be negative.” She also said Daniel was immature and needs mental help. She is not doing anything to help the perception that she is a vile, immature spoiled brat.

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    April
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 6:24 am

    Sarah: Hugs for you. I went through infertility and comments like what Farrah said could send me into a deep depression/anxiety attack. So yeah, I know how you feel. It is so insensitive.

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    April
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 6:29 am

    Dawn: But Maci is the exact same. She also has no job, sucks at trying to go to school, lazes about all day, is living with a man she is not married to, and from my taxi driver she goes out and drinks and them pukes in cabs. So yeah……she is no better. Ryan actually has settled down a lot from how he used to be. I don’t think he has to listen to her berate or lecture him at this point. It was not really about Bentley so he did not have to listen to it.

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    April
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 6:31 am

    Chicken Lips: I know right? The baby mama drama thing had me rolling! I also am saying a prayer he repeats it in front of Maci.

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    April
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 6:35 am

    Smango: I had the experience where my advisor lied to me in college. She failed to point out that certain classes I needed to graduate were only offered every other year and stuff like that which ended up making me graduate way later than I intended through no real fault of my own. She should have helped me set my schedule better. She also tried to get me to do a minor that would have required over seas travel but failed to mention that at the time she talked me into it. Not a minor detail!!! So I don’t really trust advisors either.

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    Chicken Lips
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 6:42 am

    @bumblebee – “She claimed Daniel’s stepmother was “overly dramatic” and “wanted to be negative.” She also said Daniel was immature and needs mental help. She is not doing anything to help the perception that she is a vile, immature spoiled brat.”

    Doesn’t she think everyone that doesn’t do what she wants is “overly dramatic” and “negative”? I want to shake her and say, “Sweetie, when EVERYONE around you is “dramatic” and “negative”…perhaps they aren’t the problem.” She is a waste of skin, bone and space.

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    Smango
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 7:00 am

    April, that really sucks. I would have been tempted to send a bill to that advisor. I did have one experience with a bad advisor. He questioned my decision to take more than one poli sci class a semester (when that was my major) and failed to tell me that one of my kines classes HAD to be taken pass/fail, which was something I had to change myself. So, even though I made an A, I had to take another one. I chalked it to him being a worthless human being. My other advisor did everything but actually take the classes for us.

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    cloudsinmycoffee
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 7:18 am

    The only thing redeeming about Farrah is her daughter.

    If I were that stepmother I would have corrected her immediately, not in a loud shouting voice, but in a quiet, cutting tone. Seriously? So people who have no children lead lonely lives? Bitch please.
    And I say this as having children. She’s an ass.

    RE: Cate and Ty, you know they’re winging it into adulthood, perhaps they don’t fully understand how college works. It’s not as if they’re getting any parental advice on that front, all they hear is go back, go back and they’re likely naive enough to think they actually need to have a plan when it comes to going to college.

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    classy drunk
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 7:42 am

    @Clouds, but the lady who double majored couldn’t explain that to them. They could still go to school and take classes like English and Science and then when they found out where their major was offered the could transfer their credits?

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    sandra
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 7:43 am

    I feel like Amber should take any and all opportunities to be with her daughter. She doesn’t work or go to rehab all day so why does she wait for Gary to call her to ask to see her. I think (I am not a fan of Gary) that they cut out alot of things that Amber does and when they show Gary being a jerk it is because he is fed up. I don’t feel she is a good mom but Leah will love her no matter what probably.next week Amber gets a boyfriend Idont blame Gary for being mad in rehab she wanted him but now she has no time for rehab or her baby and she starts a relationship with a dude. Loser

    Dan should have stopped Farrah at dinner with his parents or spoke up and maybe changed the subject. Her mom was right when she told her why she didnt have anyone in her life. She is so stupid and delusional thinking she is an adult umm yeah by age but not by mental capacity she has some growing to do . I dislike watching her.

    Macys tweet was wrong if she wanted to clearly state what she meant she could have but she tweeted and kind of left it open for interpretation I would have beed bothered if I was Dalis also. Macy has gone backwards in her life it seems she was my fave to watch and now she just seems like a lazy mom cant even go to school because of a yard sale.

    Cat and Ty are making excuses. Just say you dont want to go to school right now because everyone knows you can always switch your major and she hasnt even taken one class yet.

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    NameOfState
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 7:46 am

    I think the kid/no kids thing is one of those subjects where, no matter your choice, you’re not necessarily wrong. I had no doubt that my kid (not even one at the time) would behave-plus she’d be in a stroller-but not knowing the condition of the properties, we weren’t willing to have her deal with the in and out of the car, strapping in a stroller, etc all day when she could stay with her grandparents and play. Once we found some houses worth considering, she came for the second look. Recalling some houses we saw-one reeeked of rotting wood, one had dead roaches scattered AND wasps in the lawn (“Oh, don’t go outside” the realtor said) and one was perfect until we saw the poorly done addition complete with piles of dead wood ants-I’m glad we handled it the way we did.

    To let your kid play with the residents’ toys and then not pick them up—that’s just poor parenting!

    (I hope I’m not repeating myself. I check the last recap so see if I posted this, but not the one before.)

    Not surprised Farrah acted as rude as she did. Girl is delusional. AS for Cate and Ty, I tried to jump right into a major and floundered for years before just going, “Okay, which area do I have the most credits in? Let’s just do that.” I wish I had spent the first year just doing core and a couple of electives.

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    classy drunk
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Dalis shouldn’t follow Maci on twitter. Plain and simple. Dalis shouldn’t look at Maci’s twitter, etc. If Ryan doesn’t then there’s no reason for Dalis to follow her.

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    classy drunk
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Sorry I posted too soon…

    If Dalis reads something that she doesn’t like then that’s her fault.

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    lindaw205
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 9:10 am

    I agree with you, classy. She shouldn’t be following Maci on twitter, that’s asking for trouble.

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    wow
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 10:41 am

    @#12Bre – I agree, I’m confused about the Amber sympathy, especially given the fact that we know how this story ends. I would never ever support any parent using their child as a pawn or weapon and I definitely think Gary has those tendencies but Amber has never shown evidence of responsible parenting that I can recall. Something that has always stuck out to me was when she had the last boyfriend and Gary was enraged asking if she’d ever let him change Leah’s diaper and Amber’s response made it clear that she had. From the previews, looks like she’s getting caught up with another guy and I’m sure will have no problem letting Leah be exposed to him as well. That in addition to going a week living in the same area with a car and having not seen your kid, yes I’m judging but there would be NOTHING that could keep me from seeing her every single day, even if I had to camp out on Gary’s front step.

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    JudgyWudgy
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 10:59 am

    I don’t think people necessarily sympathize with Amber, they just hate Gary. Lose-lose. Or….win-win?

    Look, I can understand contempt for Maci alone, but…..there are still people out there defending Ryan? Really?

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    Sugarbush
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 11:02 am

    I think in the case of the “Amber sympathy” it’s positive editing for her right now and negative for Gary. I hate, hate, hate Gary and think he’s not being a good parent by fucking with his baby’s mother. However (I just said that in Gretchen Rossi’s voice thanks to Flipit), Amber isn’t using her daughter as motivation to get better and straighten up. I know that “ain’t no mountain high enough” that would keep me from doing what I need to do to parent my son. Amber and Gary are both horrible parents and I wish that I could save Leah from that shitty family and place her in an family where she’s not treated like a pawn, which is what both of her parents do.

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    LaurenB52
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 11:42 am

    @Smango

    Here’s the interview where Daniel talks about the break up. Some more info about Farrah being awful to fast food workers too, which I’m choosing to completely believe.

    You can tell he’s not into the teen mom/tv aspect either because he never tweeted anything when the episode was on even though people were tweeting him lots of support such as “RUN!”

    http://www.eonline.com/news/338262/teen-mom-farrah-s-ex-daniel-alvarez-reacts-to-last-night-s-breakup-episode?cmpid=rss-000000-rssfeed-365-topstories&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

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    April
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    It seems Daniel is a classy guy and I have mad respect for him. He didn’t bash her. He didn’t spill personal info. He just got out. Good for him. Hope he finds a nice girl.

    I am a Ryan defender at least when it comes to Maci. Because everyone or a lot of people still think Maci does no wrong and Ryan is just as good if not better than her at this point. Neither has a job. Ryan does have a 2 year degree. Maci can’t finish school for the life of her. Ryan has not moved in a girl that he is not married to to be around Bentley 24/7. Maci has. Ryan wants to be fair about Bentley’s shared time, Maci doesn’t. Maci up and moved away without even telling Ryan till the minute before she left to another city. Maci and Ryan both go out on the town frequently to party. They both seem to be blowing money that could be saved for Bentley but Maci is doing it even more so by traveling a lot and paying high rent on a house. At least Ryan is saving money by not having to rent. Maci could be living in a much cheaper rental. Chattanooga has them. She chose a fancy condo that has rent higher than my mortgage on a nice house!

    The point being, I don’t see much difference in them but if you asked Maci she would say she is the superior parent and really at this point she isn’t. She was early on. That has changed. They are equal at this point. She needs to drop the moral superiority.

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    sheesh
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Maci needs to drop the self tanner.
    Amber needs to drop the trantulashes.
    Geeeeaaarrrry needs to drop 150 pounds.

    Ryan needs to drop by my house when I have the afternoon off.

    BA-DM-CH!

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    Sugarbush
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    OK – After just reading all the interviews with Daniel and Farrah on this subject, I’m dying to do a real, hard-hitting interview with Farrah. Someone needs to ask her straight-up questions, like, “So you say you were just being you at dinner with Daniel’s parents. Do you realize that ‘you’ is a overly-brown, spoiled bitch? Did you know that there is a picture of you next to ‘cunt’ in the dictionary?”

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    Smango
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Thanks Lauren!! What does it say about her, though, that the storyline, as aired, is completely believable, because of her horrible behavior. Surely this guy has seen the show before, though, right? I wanted to fly to Iowa and hi five her mom a few episodes ago, when ahe told Farrah she had run all of her friends off. Someone earlier noted that Dan should have changed the subject at dinner. He may have been too stunned…

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    bumblebee
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Sugarbush- here is an interview she gave with some blog and it’s very clear she doesn’t realize her picture is next to cunt in the dictionary.

    http://www.momfinds.com/2012/exclusive-teen-mom-star-farrah-abraham-opens-up-about-relationship-regrets-and-overcoming-depression/

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    anniedawg25
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    @sugarbush…wow, that interview shows Farrah is beyond dellusional and completely self absorbed. Just…wow.

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    bumblebee
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    D’oh! Sorry, I guess that one was already posted.

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    Liz
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    @sheesh – Bazinga! Agreed on all accounts.

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    Dawn
    Posted August 16, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Maci at least has made a home of her own with a long time boyfriend who, if a little dull, at least seems to be a responsible, decent, hard-working person who doesn’t encourage drama. Ryan lives with mommy and daddy and has a girlfriend who stalks his ex on Twitter.

    Just sayin.

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    Andyourlittledogtoo
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 12:20 am

    Re the academic advisor thing (high school level) it is kind of a crap shoot. My sister was told as a high school senior that her goal of becoming an RN was unrealistic and to instead learn how to cut hair. In her thirties, after a divorce and two children, she went back to school and got her bachelor’s in nursing and had a magnificent career as an intensive care nurse in a major trauma center in So California. So… you kind of have to take responsibility for your own self and do the research yourself. And I didn’t know what I wanted to major in until I actually transferred from two years of community college to a four year but I had a general idea so I just made sure that all my gen ed core classes fit as many of the prerequisites for one of the majors I was considering as possible. And then I changed majors one semester at the four year) during which I found out that I suck at hard science and scurried back to my eventual degree major. But that’s what you do when you’re young and you aren’t driven to one specific goal at an early age – which is most of us. We stumble around a bit, take our core classes and see what fits and find out what we’re good at and makes us happy while we do it. There is no reason Ty and Cate can’t do that – but my strong suspicion is that there is simply no one in their lives who can tell them that or model that for them convincingly. They are kind of lost in a world they are not familiar with and don’t trust their own decision making and worry about the advice they get from others. It’s sad. I want to reach out and take their hands and walk them through it myself. It’s a speed bump they can totally get over with a little advice and a push.

    As for the names of social services majors that varies from school to school. I had three choices of school to transfer to for four years when I went: a UC school with no undergraduate social work or other similar program which would mean getting a psych or sociology or some other degree and then going into a masters program; a CSU school with an actual social work bachelors degree and then go to a masters program; and a CSU school with a major called ‘human services’ and then transfer to a masters program. And yes, it was confusing to know what to do there. I finally chose the social work bachelors program because the human services one made me a little nervous. But all this is to say I get their confusion in this particular field of study and what schools call things and how you proceed can be a real hard decision situation to be in.

    But bottom line is they should pick SOMETHING and START. That’s half the battle right there. Just START.

    And I do agree that whatever Farrah’s childhood (and you know my position on it) her behavior is beyond vile and selfish and I cannot believe she spoke to Daniel’s stepmom the way she did. That is not something you say to someone you know WELL, much less someone you just MET. I wanted to punch her myself.

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    classy drunk
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 4:36 am

    @Sheesh, send Ryan to my house when you are done with him.

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    snowshoecat
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 5:22 am

    Sheesh @43 and ClasSay @ 52, do I have to go over and hose you both down?

    Um…

    Think he’ll have the energy left for my place?

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    lindaw205
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 6:10 am

    I have a question that I’m sure someone here will be able to answer. Does Kyle actually work? I guess he would have to in order to be able to get a mortgage on a house, though.

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    lindaw205
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 6:13 am

    I hit enter before finishing. As I was going to say I haven’t watched Teen Mom since the first season (well, watched part of the second season) until this year and I decided I wanted to see the last season. So I know I’m no expert on Kyle’s employment status. It’s just that I don’t see him doing that much.

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    Moli
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 7:59 am

    I hope and pray Bentley said Baby Mama Drama at some point in front of Maci, the look on her ace would be priceless. Dalis had no business on Maci’s twitter page, the only reason she would be there would be to look for something to get mad about. The tweet didn’t say “I want Ryan and I to get back together and be a happy family”…stay out of it Dalis. Leah loves her Mom so much and I teared up when she called herself my Leah as her mother calls her. I truly wish I could rescue that beautiful child.

    I wanted to reach inside my television and slap the taste out of Farrah’s mouth. How dare she first ask that woman how old she was and then follow up with the ‘lonely bird’ comment.

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    Andyourlittledogtoo
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 8:24 am

    @lindaw – From what I understand Kyle used to have a job but he quit at some point and now collects an MTV paycheck for being on the show with Maci. That’s what I’m hearing, I have no independent verification for that. He did work I believe in the first season he was present though as I recall him coming home from work to Maci and Bentley at that first apartment she had and Maci was giving Bentley a bath and he was ‘tarred’ and she was all up in his face about something and he just went home.

    Oh Kyle. Just remember that: there WERE signs even in the beginning.

    Someone said that Amber must be good with Leah when she does have her since Leah seems to love her and want to see her. I disagree. Children will suffer the worst abuse and still love and long to be with their parents. It’s a kid thing and it’s heartbreaking. I have no idea if Amber is more than just drugged out and neglectful (both of which we HAVE seen) with Leah but we do know she has no problems exposing Leah to angry violent episodes and brand new skeevy boyfriends so…. No, Amber is not a fit parent, little Leah’s longing for her aside. Poor baby.

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    Melanie
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 9:18 am

    So now Farrah has a “music video” to her 2nd song that’s out now. I believe she asked that people request her “songs” on the radio. HA! There really are no words to describe the hatred I have for her, especially after this last episode.
    Beware: once you see and hear it, it can’t be undone.

    http://theashleysrealityroundup.com/2012/08/15/teen-mom-farrah-abraham-debuts-first-and-hopefully-last-music-video/

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    Sugarbush
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Does she have any clue how creepy her music is? The Ashley got it right – it’s like a nightmare you have after watching too much Teen Mom and tripping on acid.

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    nashuaf
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Could someone please explain why you all hate Gary? That fight was Amber’s fault (she said yes to having Leah the next day, then changed course for no good reason). Yes, he’s fat, disgusting, and fat (oh, and he’s really fat), but he loves his daughter and I think he just works to keep her away from the craziness that accompanies Amber. This is a girl who decided on jail time over rehab…if that were my kids mother, I’d keep her away from the baby too!

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    nashuaf
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 10:02 am

    And more importantly, WHY DO ALL THESE KIDS STILL HAVE PACIFIERS!!! We took my son’s away at 18 months and he could care less about it.

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    April
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Oh why did I have to watch Farrah’s video!!!??? I made it about a minute in before I had to stop it or risk brain explosion. My husband lasted 2 seconds. It is not even singing or autotuning but something like she is reciting lame poetry with some kind of terrible autotuning to boink boink music with a hand camera. WTF!!!!???

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    classy drunk
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 10:20 am

    @Nashuaf, I’m with you. I think Gary can be an asshole at times (are we all?), but he probably does have resentment towards Amber. She’s choosing drugs over her daughter.

    My mother took our pacifiers when we were very young, she said she didn’t have time to spend money on braces. She’s a frugal lady….thinking about money she was going to save 13 years in advance.

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    Sugarbush
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 10:25 am

    @Nashuaf – I hated Gary from episode 1. He’s an instigator and he does shit just to set her off and keep her in her anger state. However, I hate Amber, too, because she refuses to get better and blames it all on Gary. I hate everyone on this show (except for Ty, Cate, and Ty’s mom…and, of course, the babies) almost equally. That is, almost because I hate Farrah as much as I hate Oprah, which is a LOT.

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    nashuaf
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 11:34 am

    @Sugarbush – Obviously it’s not a healthy relationship with those two (they push each other’s buttons), but my take is that he’s grown a bit over the years (he’s very good with Leah) and he mostly seems to just avoid Amber’s drama. You can’t blame him for refusing to fight in front of the baby, but Amber certainly doesn’t hold back. Sorry, I don’t care for him as a person (he’s just so…so…FAT), but I just don’t understand the vitriol towards him.

    I actually wish they’d get Tyler and Catelyn (sp?) off the show. They’re not parents! This is supposed to be a show about being a teenage parent, and they gave up that responsibility. That said, I find Butch fascinating, but their place on the show is a stretch.

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    Moli
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 11:49 am

    I hate Gary and Amber equally but just for different reasons. But NO ONE and I mean NO ONE has as much contempt than Farrah…I have never said this out loud but I swear if she were on fire I wouldn’t even spit on her…might even block the people coming to her aid. She is a vile and repulsive creature who doesn’t deserve anyone that is currently in her life, Farrah is beneath the waste materials of a slug.

    BTW, I hate Farrah!

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    Moli
    Posted August 17, 2012 at 11:51 am

    No let me take that back I don’t hate Gary or Amber I have a strong dislike for them. After typing my comment and noting the real emotion in my words in regards to Farrah I saw the difference in my views of those two.

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    pinklotus
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 6:03 am

    About Maci not having a job…she’s a very young girl being paid pretty good money to be followed around by MTV cameras. Obviously that money isn’t going to last forever, but I think that would deter A LOT of young people (do I sound old?) from getting a “real” job.
    Some people have commented about Maci living with a guy she’s not married to – so??? I think we’re living in a time where that’s pretty common!
    She drives me crazy too, don’t get me wrong. I just think SOME of the digs at her aren’t fair.

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    April
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 6:36 am

    If Maci was not a mom, yeah, no big deal to live with a guy she is not married to. But she is a mom and that changes things! Because a man is helping you raise your child that is not his Daddy or even his StepDaddy. So then what happens when you break up? That messes a kid up. Kyle and Maci did break up and I am sure it upset Bentley. Sure a marriage can break up too, but at least it is less likely to and more serious than just boyfriend/girlfriend. I think it shows immaturity and bad parenting.

    I can guarantee you if my husband passed away, I would not date until my kids were much older and I would not introduce a guy to them till we were dating for like 6 months and never move the guy in till we were married. It is just the responsible thing to do. It also does not set a good example for Bentley morally. She paraded her new boyfriend Kyle King around Bentley pretty quickly too. I have known mothers who would bring in guy after guy to get attached to their children and then go away forever and it messed with the kids’ heads. Because the guys were always nice to the kids and they got attached and then never saw these guys again once they broke up.

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    Classy Drunk
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 7:34 am

    The divorce rate is over 50% so marriage isn’t that solid either.

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    nashuaf
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Someone let me know when April gets off her high horse.

    Kids need role models and if you have a boy, they need a positive male role model. Kyle is polite, even-tempered, good to Bentley, and he seems to think things out before acting. Sure, he may have the intelligence of an Amazonian Tree Frog, but he balances out Maci time and time again. Honestly, I’d rather have him around Bentley than Ryan.

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    Andyourlittledogtoo
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    I get what April is saying, although I don’t think you have to be married necessarily but you do need to have a really solid expected to be long term relationship with a known good guy before you move him in (AMBER and FARRAH!) and Maci did move Kyle in really really fast. However Maci has known Kyle for many years before Teen Mom so he was a known quantity (AMBER and FARRAH!) and his relationship with Bentley was the most stellar potential stepfather of any I have seen in a long time so if they were serious about their love and relationship I won’t fault her for living with him with Bentley. Having a kid does make decisions like that very important. I don’t see it so much as a moral thing as a safety and emotionally charged one if the relationship doesn’t work out. The last thing you want is a serious of boyfriends coming in and out of your kid’s life, you need to be sure it’s a strong and serious relationship because it does do kids harm to get attached and lose people all the time like that.

    Amber and Farrah are quite careless in this regard, apparently giving no thought to either safety or the emotional health of their daughters in bringing strange new men home and putting them into a ‘daddy’ role almost immediately. Maci hasn’t really done that IMO.

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    Andyourlittledogtoo
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Ugh! “series of boyfriends” not “serious of boyfriends”. Although….

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    April
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    Kyle is a good guy. I actually like him more than I like Maci. You can still date a good guy and have a son without moving him in or moving to his city uprooting your son from all his other family members and home right away. Those were the decisions I question.

    The worst part about it is she is very quick to jump on Ryan for any little thing like going out and partying or dating a new girl or taking his new girlfriend to pick up Bentley or go on vacation, but she has done the exact same things. So that just makes her a huge hypocrite.

    She got the mentality early on that she will always be the superior parent and even though things have changed, her opinion on that matter has not.

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    niknakflipflop
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Farrah is the worst person EVER on the planet. That’s actually a proven fact. Just trust me on that. So, apparently Amber’s eyeballs have officially packed their shit and moved the fuck out because they are no longer there. I haven’t seen her open her eyes all season so I’m confirming right now that they have, in fact, left her head.

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    Andyourlittledogtoo
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    @niknakflipflop – Amber probably rolled them one too many times and they just popped right out of her head.

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    BedHeadJen
    Posted August 21, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Sugarbush, because of genius quotes like this, I am really going to miss this show.
    I hope you will be recapping something else.

    “Meanwhile, Leah is confused by Gary’s massive man-tits, so she’s calling him “Mom”. I seriously just peed my pants”.

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    lindaw205
    Posted August 21, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    @andyourlittledogtoo – thank you for answering my question way up thread!

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    M
    Posted September 26, 2012 at 11:16 am

    I love that other people share my annoyance with Gary. He is such a jerk and always tries to act like the victim.