The Walking Dead Recap: Surrender, Surrender…

The Walking Dead

By Pillania | Tuesday, March 12, 2013 | 10:08 pm | 55 Comments
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…but don’t give Michonne away.

Greetings, Deadheads! Before we begin, I’ll clear up some things regarding the last recap. The book I mentioned in some recaps from the last part of this half of this segment of this season is “The Passage” by Justin Cronin. It’s Book One of a trilogy, though Book Two (“The Twelve”) has been sitting in my “to read” pile for months. Book Three won’t be out for another few years so you’ve got time to catch up! I’ve read “The Road” and while it’s very well-written, the pacing is very slow. I recently purchased “Tomorrow When the War Began” per a suggestion in the comments but haven’t started it yet.

As for my feelings on TWD: I DO enjoy this show, thoroughly! But the plot holes, coincidences, and dropped storylines are often laughable and reminiscent of daytime TV. One of my other favorite shows (Homeland) also suffers from this ailment. I can suspend disbelief, but at a certain point, these types of issues make potentially great shows just good. I do not enjoy Rick as lead character – reluctantly takes on the leadership role only to find how taxing the role of leader can be.

Been there, done that.

Yes, Rick is flawed, but that is not why I dislike him. I root for flawed characters like Don Draper or Walter White because they are compelling and complex. Coincidentally, AMC is also their home and they are two of the most fascinating characters on TV.

Now that we’ve cleared all of this up (last thing: I’m still not buying the jaunt back to Rick’s hometown. The show has constantly led us to believe many roads are impassable, there are gas shortages, and Rick himself said they kept getting pushed further and further out), let’s get on with the recap!

Last week Michonne (becoming more awesome by the second), Rick, and Carl met back up with Morgan, Rick’s savior from the premiere episode. Morgan had become more than a little cray, but had rigged up some unbelievably badass walker traps. Sometimes when I watch this show I’m reminded of an old Twilight Zone where a guy was dumped in a deserted “town” which was just a massive psychological experiment on a closed set of some sort. I just get a smiliar vibe from TWD sometimes.

We open on Hershel and Rick. Rick looks like he’s had a much needed shower, shave, and change of clothes. He meets up with Daryl, who is also looking a cleaner than usual. For a second I’m wondering if this is a flashback because no one looks like they just spent the past month rolling around in a dumpster, but we see Hershel’s crutches, so this must be present day.

Rick and D-train are combing through some type of abandoned warehouse area when Gov. approaches. Gov. lifts his hands in mock surrender and tell Rick they have a lot to talk about. I’m glad Rick at least showered for this affair. Basic hygiene always makes one seem much more credible when one is involved in negotiating what’s sure to be a bullshit peace treaty.

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55 Comments

  1. 1
    carol
    Posted March 12, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    I do like this show (and bonus it is recapped!). However, these past couple of episodes have made me think “what is the point of all this?” There is no possible outcome to this show except a fade out on a long shot of walkers everywhere. I have not read the graphic novels so I have no idea how it really pans out. I am just going off of what has happened. Why do humans hate other humans? I realize they might be suspect but if they really want to survive shouldn’t they be working together? Also, does the opening credits remind anyone of True Blood’s opening credits?

    When the Governor was laying out the terms of his deal, I really thought he was going to say he wanted the baby. I understand why he wants Michonne (killed his already dead daughter, took his eye, etc) but for some reason I thought he might want the baby so he could start a family again.

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    Desdemona
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 1:54 am

    I totally was thinking the Governor was going to ask for the baby. I wasn’t shocked he asked for Michonne, but the baby would have made a lot of sense, too, given his attachment to his now-dead daughter and wife. The rest of the episode was ok, but last week’s was much better, in my opinion. I loved the dynamic that Michonne and Rick had together.

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    itchy itchy
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 3:08 am

    The problem with this episode was that it was perfectly obvious these “negotiations” would result in nothing — other than making me yawn every couple of seconds because NOT A FUCKING THING HAPPENED. I can accept this from a well-written novel. Hell, even from a well-written TV show. Which this isn’t.

    To make matters worse, they hit upon every single fucking cliche ever written for this long drawn-out scene. Jeez! They could have wrapped up the entire thing in 5 minutes! At least they could have given some reason for having that gun taped to the table? Or maybe shown that Rick isn’t as stupid and gullible as he apparently seems to be? No one in their right mind would even consider for a second the gov’ner’s deal. Not even for an instant. And you especially wouldn’t give up one of your best warriors. Who’s got a rockin’ tight bod to boot.

    That said, this was one of the first episodes where I wasn’t constantly rolling my eyes over the complete implausibility of it all. Ironic? Progress?

    As for “what the point of all this” is: Well, that’s the post-apocalyptic genre for you. It’s all about fantasizing what you’d do under similar circumstances.

    For one thing, I’d be devising methods to clear the entire area of zombies — they’re not all that hard to kill, after all, as long as you don’t have to take on an entire herd single-handedly. And since there are plenty of other survivors around, you don’t have. Hell, just dig a huge hole somewhere, set up a system for attracting them (they like noise, after all) and have at ‘em while they’re trapped.

    That’s why it’s so maddening to see them leave all those walkers roaming around the prison — it’d take them what? about 10 minutes to poke the brains of all of them?

    @Pillania: I’ve read some pretty strong criticism about The Passage — especially when it hits page 250, people say it really goes downhill. What do you think? (Of course, I loved The Road, I think it’s one of the best, if not the best of the genre, mostly because of how beautifully written it is. So I definitely prefer “literary” post-apocalyptic fiction. There’s not a whole lot of that out there. Well, until I finish writing my own, of course ;-) ).

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    plockness monster plockness monster
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 6:37 am

    Carol – I think the point of humans hating other humans is to show that it’ll always be like that in the world, even when the humans should ban together to fight the thing that wants them dead. It’s a part of the show I really enjoy, actually. Just my 2 cents. On to reading!!!!!!!

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    jerseyj
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 6:40 am

    @itchy, I was wondering the same thing about the zombies wandering around the prison yard…but then it occurred to me that maybe they were leaving them there on purpose as a sort of buffer. No one from the governor’s side could easily take over the prison because they’d have to fight their way through the zombies first…while one of the rickette’s could be up in the lookout tower easily picking them off.

    Best line ever, @pillania: He was someone who watched “Two and a Half Men” and wasn’t ashamed to like it on Facebook.

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    lindaw205
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 6:53 am

    I like this show a lot but lately I’ve come to wonder if what I really like is the potential I see for a great show. I wish the showrunners wouldn’t skimp on writers and would keep a consistent set of writers instead of freelancing. I think that would help with continuity. And while I don’t know the details of all the behind the scenes drama I can’t help but think this is what is also affecting the quality.

    As for the zombies milling around, why don’t they just poke them in the head through the fence. If they put some people on fence duty every day they could get rid of them pretty quickly. Someone had a really good idea for this and I remember thinking wow, what a great idea!

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    April
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 7:07 am

    In World War Z and according to Max Brooks zombies will freeze in Winter if it is cold enough. They thaw in the Spring and start attacking again. People were told to go North to avoid them.

    In the comic there are like the wandering roaming zombies and the “I am just going to hang out here okay guys maybe I will get lucky and someone will wander by.” My guess is introverts versus extroverts in life. Also since they are incredibly stupid if they are zombified inside, they are probably staying inside. They don’t know how to really work doors so much. If they see someone walk by the window they might try to go out at that point by busting down the door or the window, but I think they need motivation.

    I called it as soon as the epi started that all he would ask for is Michonne. Nailed it. It is not even about his eye. Its all about Penny. I highly RECOMMEND the “Rise of the Governor” novel. Just finished it last night and it gives the total background story on the Gov and it will BLOW your mind! Now I see him in an all new light.

    God, I hope Andrea only went back with Gov because she has a plan. Otherwise she better die and I will cheer when she does. What a twat.

    I heart Hershel more every epi which means he is dying for sure. Sigh.

    Great recap. Rick better stay smart and not fall for any of that there can be peace bullshit. The hell there can. I also would have probably just left and abandoned the prison to get away from Gov. If I die in a ZA it will be from starvation or killing myself because the zombies are surrounding me. I do not want to die from stupid assholes shooting at me. Lame.

    My captcha is slimy goop. haha zombie brains,

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    itchy itchy
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 7:10 am

    Jerseyj might be onto something. See? If the show would just say this, it’d be okay. Because then it would make sense. But they just ignore it.

    Oh, and plockness, the only time humans band together is when we’re being invaded by aliens from another planet. Although there’s usually one creep or another who agrees to work with them in exchange for control of all of Manhattan. Losers.

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    plockness monster plockness monster
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 7:45 am

    The dirtier Rick is, the hotter he gets. I say he should stop showering all together.

    Pill – Thank you for pointing out the Guv had a gun taped to the underside of the table. I couldn’t figure out what it was, even when the camera zoomed in!

    Fav. lines of the season so far: Guv – “You sound more like a lawyer than a cop.” Rick – “Well, at least I don’t pretend to be a governor.” L-O-V-E.

    Here is my prediction, and Pill kinda mentioned the same thing, all of the Guv’s imporant people will see him for the psychopathic asshole that he is and switch sides to Rick and Co. I think it’ll happen at the last minute and, just when we think Rick’s crew is doomed, people will change sides and Rick’s crew will bring on total domination.

    Great recap, Pill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    jerseyj
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 8:13 am

    @plockness, you’re into dirty men who don’t shower, huh? Guess we know who’s going to be the Andrea of our group in the Zombie Apocalypse :p

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    sweetblondie
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 9:16 am

    I really liked this episode. It reminded me that they’re all human. And I love how far they’re going from the graphic novels…so even those of us that have read them have no idea what’s going to happen. Specifically.

    I think that the zombies that were zombified indoors, stay indoors as their fine motor skills no worky.

    And when they don’t eat for a while, they get weaker…until foods or smells come by, then they’re all energy…just like me buzzed out on the couch when the Ice Cream truck drives by.

    Loved The Road…beautfully written. Also liked The Beach…same slow pace, but it stayed with me long after I finished reading.

    Mr Blondie LOVED Rise of the Gov…But I’m reading Game of Thrones quadrilogy then The Passage so I’ll have to take his (and April’s) word that it’s awsomeballs until I can read it for myself.

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    Sam
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 9:19 am

    I agree with April. I think the zombies who stay inside (like in the cafe or whatever it was) are there because that’s where they turned and they haven’t had the motivation (ie: people to eat) to break through a door or window. The ones who wander are the ones who changed outside. Although my husband did point out when we re-watched the pilot with my sister that in Atlanta, some of the zombies were kind of “sleeping” on buses and stuff, which goes against the idea of the wandering zombie looking for food.

    Also, no herds since they left the farm??? Are we ever going to figure out where all of those zombies were headed when they tore through the farm?

    If anyone is into apocalypse books, I recommend the “Zombie Fallout” series. I think it’s a trilogy, although I’ve only gotten through the first 2 books. I listened to them in my car and I think they do a good job of examining the different types of zombies that have popped up in books/movies/tv over the years.

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    plockness monster plockness monster
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 9:21 am

    jersey – I’ll be the Andrea, but I promise to only be 1/10th as awful as she is. Personally, I think I am pretty awesome. And I promise not to horde lacy thongs. Or to refuse to pitch in during chore time.

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    sweetblondie
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Thanks, Plockness.
    I mean, it would just be rude to hoard the dirty men AND the lacey thongs.

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    yeknom
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 9:45 am

    @April. I fear for Hershel too. I am going to cry like a little girl when they kill him off. Hell, I bawled when he got bit and he might’ve died then.

    @plockness-Ha! “The dirtier Rick is, the hotter he gets. I say he should stop showering all together.” I just told my friend the same thing. I much prefer dirty crazy Rick over clean & hopeful Rick. I wonder what that says about me?? Lol

    I also think that some of Gov’s people will see the real evil that he is and jump to help the Rickette’s.

    I love when Rick called the Gov the town drunk. It made me snerk out loud.

    I liked the bonding between Hershel & Milton and Daryl & Martinez. It showed that they really are parallels just on different sides.

    Andrea is still a waste of air. I wish she’d just go away. Even if she does off the Gov, it’s too little too late. Somehow her realizing she doesn’t belong w/Woodbury after she figuring out what happened with Maggie, she came off as a woman scorned so she’s going to get even, not like she’s trying to do the right thing to help everyone. It’s funny that I’m still surprised that I could dislike someone as much as I disliked Lorie, but I do.

    I haven’t read The Road yet. Saw the movie and that was rough, I’m sure the book will be worse. It is in my book case though. I’m going to read it.

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    lindaw205
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 10:29 am

    They can’t kill Hershel. They better not. That’s all I have to say about that.

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    April
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 11:38 am

    I am also into dirty looking men. Now in practice they do have to smell good and clean, but the whole shaggy long uncut hair and scruffy beards and looking like they just kicked some ass being manly, that does it for me hardcore. Main reason why I watched Lost.

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    TallGirl
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Surprised the women don’t look more ragged in a ZA world. Oh, that’s right – this is Hollyweird.

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    thespiral
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    I’m glad you clarified your feelings about the show! I completely agree – it’s a great show in terms of entertainment, but the writing gets annoying because characters are constantly doing illogical things just to advance the plot. I just thought you were a bit harsh on the last episode which was actually sweet and well-written, especially compared to crap like THIS STUPID EPISODE.

    Case in point: the MINUTE the Gov said, “I’m not here to negotiate, I’m here for your surrender”, why didn’t Rick blow his head off before the Gov even had the chance to peel the duct tape off his piece? That would’ve fixed everything, and instead we had to sit through an hour of watching them booze and chit-chat in endless circles while muttering “Oh GOD, SHOOT him in the MOTHERFUCKING HEAD already.” We’re supposed to believe Rick has no moral compunction executing prisoners and leaving hitchhikers to die, but he can’t bring himself to shoot an enemy who’s attacked him already, is threatening war and has straight-up threatened to force Rick’s surrender? BULLSHIT.

    The moral question around giving up Michonne was stupid too. Does Rick think there’s even the slightest possibility the Gov will allow a group with an aggressive alpha-male leader and a shit ton of guns to exist in such close proximity? Rick is wasting valuable time he should be spending STRATEGIZING FOR WAR waffling on the easiest decision of all time. COME ON, SHOW.

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    Mimo
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Minority here again – I don’t think that Andrea went back with the Guv in spite of what she discovered about Maggie – I think she went back because of it. Because she’s gonna kick some m’fucking ass back in Whoville. I have already accepted we are going to have a completely redeemed Andrea. There. I said it. And I didn’t explode.

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    itchy itchy
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    The only way Andrea can truly redeem herself is by becoming a matyr to the cause. She’ll help take the guv out — but she’ll end up going down with him.

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    plockness monster plockness monster
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    thespiral – “Oh GOD, SHOOT him in the MOTHERFUCKING HEAD already.” Hehe! Thanks for the laugh.

    There is NO WAY Rick is giving up Michonne.

    *****POTENTIAL SPOILER (not from comic book)*****

    There was an article about Norman Reedus aka Darryl in the last issue of Entertainment Weekly. In it, it said that Andrea was going to have a major plot point in some upcoming episodes. Sorry to everyone that hates her. I am indifferent towards her. All of my hate was always channeled towards Lori and Carl, but now Lori’s dead and Carl is pretty fucking awesome.

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    lindaw205
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Please let Andrea become a martyr. Please!

    I don’t think Rick will give up Michonne, either. And I like scruffy looking men, too.

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    April
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    I would be okay with an Andrea redemption. We all can be chickenheads now and again. If she gets in there and on her own kicks some ass, THEN I would be willing to like her again. I used to like her back when she did things like demand to learn how to shoot and keep watch and stuff. She sometimes went about it in stupid ways, but you know, I appreciated her efforts. I always thought that whole the women keep house while the men keep the zombies away was lame. I am actually as a woman already the chosen leader of our zombie group. They look to me because you know what, all it takes to be a good zombie leader is someone with no inhibitions about taking out zombified loved ones, paranoia to the max so you think of and plan for every little thing, and balls. Women can have that. Look at Michonne.

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    itchy itchy
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    I think Rick and Michonne are in for some sexy times. Well, they should be.

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    lindaw205
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Michonne’s too cool for Rick. Maybe Hershel. He has a bad ass stump.

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    itchy itchy
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Rick and Hershel? Naw, I don’t see it…

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    plockness monster plockness monster
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Before Hershel had a bad ass stump, he had a bad ass ponytail. Don’t ever forget the ponytail.

    If Rick and Michonne hump, I might be a little jealous. No way Michonne gets to weld a sword AND gets some Rick peen.

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    April
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    I also am a fan of Hershel’s bad ass ponytail. If I was an old woman, I would be after him instead of Daryl.

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    ohralphie
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    At first glance Ricks flirting with the idea of giving up Michonne is understandable. Even if they could somehow protect Herschel there is no way in hell they could hit the road with Judith. Her crying, even her laughing could and would give them away. My god, this is the group that couldn’t keep a 12 year old girl alive! That Carl is still kicking has more to do with his will to live and apparent lack of humanity than Rick and Loris parenting skills.
    However…..unless Rick is willing to risk leaving the area entirely he must know that war with the Guv is unavoidable. Rick has not shown a shyness with drawing first and asking questions later (the NYers back at the farm). It does not jibe with his charector development so far for him to not immediatly start pumping Merle for info on how best to sneak into Crazytown and assisinate the Gov. That he is planning for a formal war and not a guerrilla one and/or giving up one of his members just doesn’t compute.
    Merle is totally being under utelized here. He knows all there is to know about Mayberry – how many guards, how much weopons/ammo, their food situation and exactly how much loyalty does the Gov have – all these things Rick needs to know and much like “Lost” is not asking. So frustrating!!
    But I don’t think Merle will go back to the Gov if for no other reason Darryl wouldn’t go with him. Merle may be a dick with violent tendencies, but damn if he knows what he is talking about. It will be interesting to see if Rick wises up and listens to him.

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    thespiral
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    I will accept Andrea’s redemption arc if, and only if, she kills the Governor and parades his head on a pike through the streets of Woodbury. The writers have a LOT of work to do to make up for all the waffling, traitorous, dick-riding bullshit they’ve saddled this character with all season.

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    lindaw205
    Posted March 13, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    I think the writers should rename Andrea Smug because whenever she comes on screen that’s what I think about. Even when she got kicked out of the boy scout meeting and was trying to look all sad and pouty all I could see was smug. Daryl needs to put an arrow through her smug.

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    Justelle
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 1:20 am

    Ok well even if they die one by one in the cafe why didn’t the first dead one just eat all the others before they died? I don’t get room full of zombies. Room full of zombie, singular makes far more sense. I guess its not as scary though.

    I’m super over the war storyline. I like this show like last episode. with Michonne Carl and Rick. I like it when it is about the relationships between the Rickettes. It’s where the magic of the story happens. Why am I spending time trying to figure out the gov. when the only possible outcome for him is that he dies. I predict he will be devoured alive. Probably while Rick tries one last time to save him. Like Scar in the lion king. “Take my paw!” Then down into a pit of zombies he will go while his town watches him die..and doesn’t care at all.

    That said I am really hoping that the kid with asthma dies. Not to a bullet but to like getting winded while running. Beyond that I’m not overly into the war story line and I am sad so many episodes are used on it when we could be focusing on people I already like.

    Maybe its to much of the same but I’d rather go back to watching them survive and thinking of genius ways to use stuff of the old world in new ways. And that baby. Thats a pile of sttorylines they haven’t even tapped into. Like her cries rousing zombies as someone mentioned. I was hoping we’d ge to see other areas of the prison but I guess cell block C is all we get. What about a library? or stuff with batteries. Gaurds radios or something. I bet that in the ZA SOMEONE is putting out home based underground radio signals. Or more on Merle and Daryl robbing the camp. I’d just way rather have spent 2 episodes on Morgon in aa small group of mosly Rickettes with witty banter or more prison time episodes than more time with a bunch of people I don’t care about and Andrea who I only care about because she used to be cool before she became a useless tramp. It just all feels to spread out.I love Glen, Daryl, Michonne,Carol, Merle, Maggie, Hershal, and I see that with a war we are going to have some casualties but how on earth am I supposed to miss any of these characters if they only have a line every 4th episode? I’m cool with bringing more into the fold but I don’t want to have to try to care about an entirely separate group. I keep waiting for this plot line to end so we can get back to our people but mostly I am watching the number of episodes for this season get smaller and smaller. I’m still in it for the duration but I miss our crowd.

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    itchy itchy
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 2:34 am

    They made a HUGE mistake bringing a baby into the script. HUGE mistake. What a stupid choice. Of course, they couldn’t allow her to have an abortion, because of the anti-choice crowd. But they could have at least have given her the miscarraige trope.

    Also: I didn’t notice Glen fumbling with the condom wrapper during that stanky sex scene (which… one of the guys just got taken out by a headshot the day before, and they’re making out in front of a grill fence?). So here’s hoping the writers don’t try to double down with ANOTHER baby.

    The Walking Rugrats.

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    April
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 3:53 am

    The baby was in the comic so the idea of Judith started with Kirkman. Bad news but at one point in the comic Glenn and Maggie contemplate the idea of a baby. Nothing comes of it thankfully because that is dumb as hell.

    You can travel with a baby, but you have to be mean. Gagging the baby to muffle cries and keeping it drugged on Benadryl. Get a Snugli so you can carry her hands free.

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    sheesh sheesh
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 6:19 am

    Has Daryl gotten any sexy action yet?
    If not why hasn’t Daryl gotten any sexy action?

    Boy howdy if I was there I’d have that man waking up every day singing, “The apocalypse is the best thing that’s ever happened.”

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    plockness monster plockness monster
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 7:36 am

    Daryl and Carol have to get it on sooner or later. There is too much sexual tension between them.

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    lindaw205
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 7:54 am

    Daryl and Carol need to get it on soon because it’s the freaking ZA! What are they waiting for?

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    plockness monster plockness monster
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 8:11 am

    Even their names rhyme!

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    itchy itchy
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Who knew The Walking Dead would turn into the Zombie Love Boat?

    Since most of the episodes share the same annoying “Three Parallel Storylines” anyway. Can’t wait until they bring in Charo. Cuchi cuchi!

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    thespiral
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 9:58 am

    I’m rooting for Daryl & Carol, Rick & Michonne, heck, Hershel & Milton to get it on like Donkey Kong. It’s the damn ZA, if you don’t have a little sexytime what else is there to live for?

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    sweetblondie
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Nope. Don’t like the Rick/Michonne match. I prefer if they’re just partners. Like Mulder and Scully or Harry and Hermione…

    Besides…Michonne is WAY too good for Lori Leftovers.

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    ohralphie
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    I don’t think the pregnancy was a contrivance either in the books or the tv series (and certainly not pandering to the right). Really, think of all the sex happening but wheres the condoms? Eventually they will run out or at least be horribly hard to find and you can forget about the pill, shots or the ring. And if you can’t find a condom how will you find an abortion?
    People will be people and women will be getting pregnant. As hot as Darryl can be, the thought of giving birth in the ZA would be enough to make me not care how damn hot he is quite frankly. When Lori had her stillbirth freak out I have to admit I empathized. Can you imagine having a missed m/c and having a dead little cannibal stuck inside of you? I would guess that a lot of women will be dying of complications regarding pregnancy and child birth (not to mention trying to protect a baby with colic from an oncoming zombie horde). Women will become scarce, maybe even more so than children.

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    itchy itchy
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    If I were a gal, I’d storm the nearest pharmacy and load up on a few years’ supply of the pill. Either that, or yeah, keep my legs closed for the duration. Just the idea that the kid could turn into a zombie inside of me would be enough for me to hang up a “Closed for Business” sign.

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    April
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Thank God I am prepared for the ZA and have an IUD. That thing has a 10 year shelf life.

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    plockness monster plockness monster
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Still think LAK should’ve died in the womb and eaten Lori from the inside out.

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    purplex15
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    @ the Andrea haters: I could be wrong, and I already deleted this episode from my DVR, but I really think that Hershel and Andrea concocted some sort of plan during their talk. When the most boring pre war negotiations were over and everyone was leaving, they nodded at each other. It was very subtle, and could have meant anything. But it was their next interaction after their conversation, which ended with Andrea asking what she should do.

    This episode was terrible. Like 2nd season looking for Sophia terrible. I dont mind filler episodes, and like character development. This was neither. Absolutely nothing happened. We already knew war was inevitable. We already knew The Gov had a vendetta against Michonne. Oh and Glenn and Maggie have sex, while Loony Lovegood does SOMETHING!

    @ pillania: However, i did love the recap and thought it was funny. I cant help at laugh at some of us complaining about how you dont seem to like the show last week, then an episode like this happens. It’s like the show wanted to prove your point.

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    JimmyT JimmyT
    Posted March 14, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    I guess I’m going to have to be counted among the Andrea haters. Lindaw205 nailed, it. She acts totally smug and acts like a wannabe power-tripping bad-ass whenever she starts sleeping with the local alpha dog/bad boy. She started acting the same way after she hooked up with Shane. The Gov. is the new Shane and both realize that the best way to manipulate her is to pump up her ego and convince her that she is a close ally/second in command. Remember that whole should we or should we not kill Randall thing and how she was being manipulated by Shane?

    There are other parallels. Both Shane and the Gov. are advocating for some sort of chaos/anarchy where they can take what they want by force. In both cases Andrea was kind of a mess with others looking out for her (then the Rickettes, now Mich), and she turns her back on them the moment some guy (Shane/Gov.) begins to stroke her ego and telling her that she needs to be more independent. In both cases she thinks that she is more in control of the situation than she actually is and dellusional enough that she thinks that she is so important that she can make Rick and the others come around to Shane/Gov. point of view. In both cases she has an older father figure (then Dale, now Hershel) trying to reason with her. In both cases she sort of begins to see that she is siding with the wrong guy but is incapable of making a decisive move to change things. In both cases Shane/Gov. has already decided to take Rick out and she is not clued in.

    If the pattern holds up, then her recognition that she is on the wrong side is going to come too late and someone else (hopefully Michonne or Maggie) will take care of the Gov. before she gets off her ass. I can only hope that since the stakes are a bit higher this second time around, that there won’t be a Michonne to save her from whatever situation the writers come up with that is equivalent to her getting stranded at the farm surrounded by walkers (from your lips to your bird-flipping Jesus’ ears, Itchy).

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    itchy itchy
    Posted March 15, 2013 at 2:12 am

    Yeah, my Jesus has seen just about enough of Andrea too.

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    sweetblondie
    Posted March 15, 2013 at 9:55 am

    There are LOTS of things I could do to and with dirty ZA men that would not result in a pregnancy, but will keep smiles on our faces. Just sayin…

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    featherhead
    Posted March 15, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Merle lost his hand, Hersel lost his leg, Rick lost his mind, the Guv lost his eye, please – Can Andrea lose her head?? I think I actually prefer Lori to Andrea and that’s not saying much!!

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    yeknom
    Posted March 15, 2013 at 10:21 am

    @plockness (#46) That is what I was hoping for too!

    If I were in the middle of the ZA, I wouldnt be able to help myself I’d still want some nekked times with Daryl. Or crazy dirty Rick even. Especially if either one of them took out Andrea!

    To JimmyT. Yup to it all about Andrea. I’ve told Mr. Yeknom that many times. That Andrea thinks sleeping w/the alpha male is going to put her in charge too. If Rick hadnt been married, I’ll bet she would have tried to sleep with him too and then side with him.

    Even if she does try to thwart the Gov’s plan, at this point it feels more like it’s because she’s a woman scorned more than she’s thinking about the best way to help the group of people who helped her for months. Especially since she seems to be having a change of heart after what the Gov did to Maggie was hinted at. She’s a fickle b*tch who, to me, even if she jumps the Gov’s ship, it’s too little too late. The only redemption I see for her is being killed WITH the Gov.

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    plockness monster plockness monster
    Posted March 15, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Purplex – I don’t think Andrea and Hershel concocted a plan while talking. Hershel just told Andrea that she is family and she could/should come back to the prison with them. He always told her what the Guv really did to Maggie. To me, the nod between them was just an unspoken goodbye because she decided to stay with the fucktards in Woodbury.

    Count me in for ZA sex. The world’s shit. There has to be some happiness in my life. Doubt I’ll be able to find any weed lying around and it’s not like alcohol will be readily available either. Us ladies could always use the 1920′s method of birth control, which I learned via Boardwalk Empire. Pump some sort of poisonous cleaning chemical up the vag using a douche bag.

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    Nik
    Posted March 16, 2013 at 2:12 am

    I would totally get down and dirty with Glen, Daryl or Rick, really there wouldn’t be too much else I could do. I might even give Maggie a roll since its very possible I could be dead soon and I’ve always been curious. She’s pretty hot.

    I agree with all that said why didn’t Rick just straight up shoot the Gov. Sure would’ve rendered the whole episode moot but then we could’ve moved onto something of interest. Mostly I like to watch shows for what they are rather than dissect them but some of the plot holes in this are too glaring to ignore. I want more of the Morgan story too, you can’t just leave that where it left off.

    I really don’t get why the living can’t all band together to eradicate the zombies. I know human nature is all about men needing to swing around their dick to see whose is bigger but I really hope that should the ZA ever occur in real life we will be better at than this lot.

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    lemmonee
    Posted March 18, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Plockness, Purplex maybe on to something. I watched Andrea on the Talking Dead, after Sunday’s show 3/17 and she hinted at a few things. In part something between Andrea and Herschel ended up edited out. The actress said she hoped that it would be included on this season’s DVD said it would explain why she went back to Woodbury. Also said she and Daryl had a conversation while Rick and the Gov were inside, that brings to light some of her characters choices she made since spliting with the Rickettes. It too ended up on the editing room floor. Could it be bad editing this season has added to our disapointment in Andrea? I am not blaming it all on this, but I really liked her last season. She also spoke of Andrea and Dale. Anyway, I agree with Andrea, I would not want to wash the dishes when there are zombies to kill. Hell I didn’t even mind her gettin it on with Shane, I would have hit that myself for sure. It just struck me when I watched Laurie H. on T.D., she seemed like she was saddened that the audience missed out on some important insite into Andrea. On the subject of showing more about our little group and not on the war. You all are so right. I beleive they brought on the Gov., Michonne, and Woodbury too quickly. They should have let us get to know each better. Andrea and Michonne surviving the winter. They could show us the early beginings of Woodbury. They could have shown us early Gov. The real Gov, the horrible- terrible- dispicable SOB that he is. Not just OH Michonne…. she killed my Zombie and put my eye out. I hate her…… Merle go kill her…. Michonne, Oh I hate the Gov. he and Andrea wont play with me……Andrea you pissed me off, you like the Gov. more than me. Now let’s have a war everybody. That is what we got. So much more to tell with these characters. They forgot to make us care before they put them in conflict with each other. Please excuse my spelling. No time to check.

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