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Monday, May 28, 2012
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Next up in Steele, Missouri, we meet meet Ava-Cate, 4, who blathers something unintelligible and crowns her dog and tiny pig grand supremes. Mom Emily says Ava-Cate’s personality is “outta this world.”
And our crazy pageant mom check indicates one is present…
She says she’s full of energy and fire and she plays opposite day with her mother all the time.
The dog looks like its waiting for Sarah Mclachlan to start singing.
She’s actually a really cute kid who says she’d like to get rid of her “Hog Pageant” crown, however that’s where she did win her little pig which she named Buddy Crazy Sunglasses. Because she was totally dropping acid at that pageant. “Weeee – weeee – weeeee!” the pig says. Amen, BCS, amen.
Everything’s better with bacon.
In Ava, Missouri, we meet Samantha, 7, who is playing outside with her bleach-blonde family.
Wow, that’s a lot of blonde…suck on THAT, Gwen Stefani and your hair color commercial.
Check my roots all you want, bitches, this color is REAL.
She tells us she won’t stand for a small title this weekend. Mom Amy tells us Samantha does not like to lose and in her very first pageant 2 years ago, she won Ultimate Grand Supreme. Actually, that’s pretty good for a first pageant, especially considering she was the ripe old pageant age of 5 when she started.
This is one serious pageant girl.
Samantha tells us she’s always a winner and that’s her favorite part of the pageants. However, she and her mom are pretty normal, so the editors are kind enough to switch us over to Crazen Traven!
Traven and his entourage of mom and grandma go to the hair salon/barber shop to shave Traven’s head, because he says he wants to look fabulous and rich. He tells the barber he has 1,000 girlfriends, then later interviews, “I lied. I do not have a thousand girlfriends. I lied. I really, really lied to you…I lied to everybody!” He really sounds pained. Eh, go to confession. Catholics love feeling that guilty.
Flies and lies are the only things that come out of Traven’s mouth.
Traven tells us he does look good, then as they are all leaving, he tells his barber Darrell that he’s fired. He kind of did it Donald Trump-style, with the finger and all, so maybe that’s where it came from. Traven interviews he had to fire some people today, “Because they don’t make good choices.” WTF? He says they keep on talking back to him, then he says, “Two plus eight equals eleven, not ten… I mean, thirteen.” Seriously, WTF is going on with this kid?
That little monster better stop pointing his fingers at adults or someone will break it off…like me.
LaNesia tells Traven it’s time to practice and of course he wants no part of it. “Practicing sucks,” he says. Olympic sports team, here he comes!
His mother asks him how he’s going to win if he doesn’t practice and he says, “I’m just wanna cheat!” Excellent idea and sounds like a sound basis for the rest of his life.
LaNesia tells us that the girls and boys are competing against each other, which sort of sucks…I mean, there is really no comparison. She says, “Good luck girls,” and the super-dark lipliner outlining her lips is really obvious in this scene – soooo klassy! I mean, that really is a good look, outlining your lips in black. Hott, even. Hott.
Mom and Grandma are singing the, “Go Traven! Go Traven!” Jerry Springer song and LaNesia interviews that Traven doesn’t have a routine, he just does what he wants onstage. And offstage, if you’ve been watching the show. This kid has absolutely no discipline at all.
Sadly, when you are brought up as the center of attention, you often believe you always are.
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this kid freaked me the F out. I saw his fingers gesture in the beginning, but I didn’t know what it represented. I hate to say it, but I’m going to have to re-watch that part, I still might not understand it.
OMG! DC, that mug shot picture made me lol and my boss came running to see what I was laughing at so. I’m not on company time
this time lol, so I told him and her face changed as she’s been reading your recaps as well and ran back to her office to read this one 
Gotta love closet readers
CrabbyDear, you are simply amazing! A pic of J-Ho and her amazing, brilliant, articulate daughter AND a sendup of Candice in the same recap. Brilliant.
That mug shot was perfect. Traven scares the hell out of me and I’m glad we live in different parts of the country.
And that he will never be literate, much less computer literate, so that he could find any of us.
Haven’t had a chance to read this yet, but I just watched it late yesterday and I have so many things!
If there is ever a remake of Saved by the Bell, I think that Mr. Todd should play Mr. Belding – it’s like they are twins. No really, hear me out: 1) They both seem to be nice, fun loving guys; 2) They seem to like the kids in a non-perv way; 3) They are both just a finger’s length out of touch with reality.
I’m not sure if I like Traven or not. At first I thought he was demon spawn, but then I thought he was just a “high spirited child” (aka spoiled brat) that wasn’t really harmful, just annoying. I spent my time split between laughing and wanting to pop him into 3 weeks from now for that mouth. My brother was sort of like that (though my parents usually put the kibosh on it quickly) and he turned out just fine – he’s up for parole in a few months. KIDDING – no member of the Lips family has ever been incarcerated.
Once again I got my hopes up that a mom would not let her 4 year old do all the standard “stripper in training” moves in a routine when she was telling Two-Name to not smack her own behind. But then she let her rip of her skirt in denim wear and it was all over. Get over there with all the other freak show moms, Can’t-Pick-One-Name. And was that really denim – it looked the color of denim, but I didn’t get a good look since she ripped it off and started swinging it over her head.
I began watching this show since reading the recaps here. Unbelievable that there is a segment of society made up of people this stupid and living out their delusions through their kids.
The amount of money spent by these parents for the purpose of bringing home a cheap crown is astonishing. Fake hair and stylists, tanning, false teeth, fake eyelashes, “pagent instructors”, overpriced dresses, travel expenses, hotel rooms, entry fees, and make up artists is unimaginable when considering that most of the entrants are from working class homes.
I thought that Mackenzie was the worst. But she was replaced by Alaska. Now Trayven makes his debut for the most obnoxius child in a field of obnoxious children and their idiotic overweight mothers who put so much emphasis on nothing. Nothing!
However, many of these kids are destined for roles on upcoming segments of “16 And Pregnant” which may be the overall goal.
Undereducated, narcissistic, practically illiterate seems to be what this TLC exposes. And to think these people are allowed to drive, vote and procreate should send a warning signal to the world at large.
“Jerry Springer” here I come! And there’s always “Maury” if that does not pan out.
Hahaha, I just started page two, and I am crying over the Sarah McLachlan dog…In the arms of the angel…faaarr away from heeeere. Back to the recap..
Ahhh so nice to get back to the snark after a weekend from Hades!! An important note: The Ultimate Grand supreme titles at this pageant were door titles– not everyone entered them.
This recap made me laugh so hard, I woke both the sleeping Caliguy and Calipup! Thank you T&T pagent gawds for taking us back to the crazy and for DC’s recapping skills to bring it home for us, Amen.
Does anyone else think that Jay Leno & Samantha are related?
Slashes, lol! I forgot about that one. Great recap Dear Tabby! Thank you for the pic of the dude in the tuxedo shirt. I loved him. I wish they would scan the audience more. Fab bizarre people watching. I wonder if Traven’s mom has boyfriends that are speaking too freely in front of him OR are male family members trying to over sexualize him to compensate for his pageant participation. Things that make you go hmmmm… And then recoil from the ick factor.
OMG With your Traven recapping there I kept thinking “It can’t get worse” and then I scroll down and it just DID get worse! Trainwreck and Hot mess!
awww don’t make fun of the crazy poodle. That dog reminds me of my old poodle. She looked just like that but gray. She was a sweet spoiled dog but she was kinda nuts.
Great recap, as usual, DC! I love the montage of old skeevy men. When I saw them during the show I just knew they’d end up in the recap somehow!
Your 1, Traven! One what is yet to be determined!
Oh, and that little quarrel with his cousin was a total put-on. It looked like they were reading from cue cards. At least she was, Traven prolly don’t read good yet, which is okay, you don’t have to read good to be famous.
Also, Mr. Todd seems like he knows all about us out here in Gasmii-land, and plays into our hands with his flowery drama! Love him!
@Chicken Lips: I had the same reaction to Traven. Thank you for articulating it for me LOL. There really were some moments of hilarity and some of absolute horror.
@BedHeadJen: Damn you! I will have that song stuck firmly in my head for three damn days. Did you have to write the LYRICS? Sigh
I am so glad we got some crazy back (and no doubt Crabby is even more glad). Finally an episode I could once again spend time cringing in horror, throwing items at the TV, and screaming at the people in the little box that can’t possibly hear me.
I would officially like to sign up for drinks with Mr. Todd and the gang!
Amy, what a terrific idea! Can you imagine the dirt those pageant directors can DISH?
*sigh* Closet, how can we be besties when we seem to disagree all the time? Yikes. From the isn’t-he-just-the-cutest-thang laughs from Mom and Gran, I’ll bet he isn’t learning that stuff from the guys (if any) in his pathetic little life. What was that “Hey sexy thing…” comment all about????? How can anybody that little be so sexualized so completely?
Move over Eden and Honey Boo Boo Chile, Some genius at TLC or LOGO is going to come up with a show starring Cravin’ Traven.
Traven – Okay, lets reverse the sexes here and have a single dad and grandpa hooting and hollering while a littlt girl insinuates a BJ…CPS on line one! I’m giving it 7 years max before Traven starts beating his mom and having sex on one end of the couch while she giggles on the other.
Ava-cado – Okay, crazy-eyed moms out there…we know you can’t help these eyes, if you have them, you have them. Get your thyroid checked and, if that checks out, you really need to tone down the nutty, because the wacky personality + crazy eyes combo is just…too…much. Also, props for trying to go classic rather than strippery with your girl’s name, but a “K” would have saved this…
Samantha – Okay, this is the first kid who I ‘ve genuinely thought looked uglier with hair and makeup. I really thought she was beautiful in the intros and then…meh…I just think the H/M took away everything that was special about her looks and made her look like a “dime-a-dozen-blond-kid.” Anyway, hard not to hate a natural blond family, but, not so much to work with here
Ash, come to Minnesota, you’d find soooooooooooo much to hate with all the Finns and Scandahoovians (and the occasional German). Try teaching a class full of blue-eyed blondes bearing every variation of Kristen, Kirsten…
@snowshoe – So, let me ask you this: Are dark-eyed brunettes exotic or just outcast up there?
@Veruca, I know you might have explained it before but you do it again. What are door titles?
Ash, dark-eyed brunettes are exotic, but, while suspect, aren’t exactly outcasts.
We do export lots of our blue-eyed blondes to SoCal where they learn to surf. In fact, they’re our major export.
Traven’s behavior is like that of a toy dog. When they yap and snarl people laugh and think it’s cute. When a large dog does the same thing, it’s pretty frightening. I admit I laughed at a few of T’s antics, and he’s a good-looking kid as well. However, he’s destined to become a first-class tool when he grows up if his disrespectful, egotistical personality isn’t checked, which I’m sure it won’t be.
Advo-Cate/Avo-Cato won a piglet at a pageant? That’s worse than a puppy! Where’s the ASPCA when you need ‘em? (Of course, I would have loved winning a cute little black piglet like that, so much so that I might have even humiliated myself by pestering my parents to enter me in pageant!)
Confused: Door titles are titles that you pay extra in order to be eligible for them. Its just another way to win a title in the event that Susie Q. Schparkle has a bad day and doesn’t get another title. It means that Samantha and Ava-Cate had the highest scores OUT OF THOSE WHO ENTERED for the Ultimate Grand Supreme. They may or may not have Grand Supremed if there wasn’t a door title.
Also– the whole thing with the 60 seconds vs. 90 seconds on the music had to have been staged. It was pretty clear in the paperwork for the pageant that they were only allowed 60 seconds on stage. Many pageants count off for going over, so moms ALWAYS know to check the allowed time.
Oh Snow… I didn’t mention mom and grandma’s crazy and abundant “laughs” because DC did several times. But since you brought it up, their lightheartedness is not helping his social emotional development at all. But I don’t think either of them are teaching him the “sign” for oral sex. K?
Dear Crabby you have me laughing so hard i am crying. Between the Sarah McLaughlin dog, the got wood sign and the lawn jockey I just may lose it.
I think TLC should option a pageant survivor type show, where they stick Traven, Honey Boo Boo, Eden and some of the crazy moms on an island.
Oh, my. I though Ava-cate was a cutie, but seriously, moms/coaches– KNOCK IT OFF with the tear-off-your-skirt-and-swing-it-over-your-head garbage!! At least it looked like it was an under-layer of her skirt, but still… Samantha was a doll, but I agree with the hair thing. She had a whole lotta forehead going on, and with that platinum hair I’d have picked a different dress color for her. Traven (which my iPhone in all its wisdom keeps autocorrecting to “graven”) made me sad. He’s a cute kid who actually may have performance potential, but his mother makes Mickie wood look classy, and I think we all know where that will take him. Sigh.
Ita with PG on the stripping. I’ve never been a fan of the clothing removal aspect of pro-am and it looks more and more like these girls are being prepared for a life on the pole. I wish moms would use better judgement (playboy bunnies and Chippendale dancers are not ok for OOCs). I also wish pageant directors would put something in the rules about routines being age appropriate. Of course my idea of approximate is not the same as others so what do I know?
Appropriate not approximate. iPhone autocorrect fail.
I’m cool with a jacket coming off to show atop underneath, and even the old “sportswear”s that had a ruffle or whatever that come off, but the garment still overs the same punt of skin as before, but otherwise— Just ick. I hate it. Of course, I am that “stodgy grandma” who also thinks a Vegas showgirl is not an okay ooc (right up there with playboy bunny), and was mortified at the last pageant we did when kids performed to “sexy and I know it”, “poker face” and “barbie girl”. That crap is just NOT okay.
Comes off. Not “come off”.
And “amount” of skin. Seriously need to type more slowly.
Nope, Gram. Leave the jacket/ skirt on. Not one of the little kids has ever done it in a runway model way. More runway stripper.
If you are, indeed stodgy, you would agree.
I’ve been in Vegas watching showgirls between sets visiting family and thanking whatever power-that-be that I have sons.
StageMom– Playboy Bunnies and Chippendales, were you at PD this weekend as well?? LOL!!
Jacket on/off in my opinion totally depends on the top under it. Lots of runway shows take a jacket off, so as long as the top under is tasteful, I am okay with it. Usually. But I would much rather the outfit just stand on its own, and the routine be interesting and appropriate, without the “tricks”.
Closet, hmmmmmmmmmmm. Good thinking. Somehow it was that knowing wink that went with it. More is going on there than any of us really wants to know about. Do you really think the laughter is lighthearted? That term makes me think of butterflies and unicorns, which are def NOT a part of that child’s life.
You are soooo right. There is a negative male influence there. We always worry about male role models, but in this case whatever the influence is, it isn’t a positive one.
Ah. Besties again. And on the same wavelength.
Veruca– no, I wish, but we can only swing a few big pageants a year, and PD want on the list this time. We mostly compete locally, with 4 big ones budgeted for a year. Between entry fees, travel expenses, and crazy themesthat mean yet another new outfit (thank goodness I make all of her outfits except her glitz dresses!)….
Eek. I had forgotten about the stripping thing. And yes, cute shorts underneath or not that’s what it is (IMHO). I’m with most of you on he jacket thing. It just depends on the clothes beneath (blouse, tee, etc. = okay; tiny bedazzled half shirts, skin tight tanks, etc. = not okay).
OH, and this is a biggie: taking said jacket/coat/cape off, slinging it primly over one’s shoulder while continuing to model seems high fashion. Taking the same articles of clothing off and swinging it around and while gyrating one’s hips and giving a come hither smile? No. HELL no.
Snow…
lightheartedness + “laughs” = sarcasm.
Xoxo Closet
I am with Snow on this. Please leave on the jacket, skirt, etc…
Because no matter what technique is used.. runway vs stripper pole… the audience ALWAYS hoots and hollars. At little girls. Some wearing pull ups. Wrong. On so many levels. Please people stop that shit.
I have no issues with Vegas show girls, Playboy Bunnies or strippers as long as they are 18 years old. Free to be you and me.
Awesome captions, DearCrabby! The aryan one and the mug shot cracked me up!
I loved AC til she whipped that skirt off. She was so cute and had so much personality; why did they feel it was necessary to do that? Her routine was great w/out her showing off her future stripper moves.
Traven was absolutely frightening. By the way he disrespects women, I’m sure there is a negative male role model in his life. I got a shiver down my spine when he said he wanted to “beat” Samantha. I’m sure we’ll see him on 16 and Preggers or on Cops. Very sad. If I had his address, I’d send him some Legos to play with.
I think the problem with taking off the jacket is that it’s a gateway move. If it’s ok to take off a jacket, then people are going to keep pushing it. I vote for no stripping at all.
We didn’t make PD this year, though I did get to enjoy the baby bunny and Madonna “acts” at another pageant. I’m sure it’s just a matter of time before these make it onto the show and then the shit will hit the fan. Beautiful kids but I hate those routines. I heard about the Chippendale’s routine from a friend who was there. Disgusting.
You will all be glad to know that my granddaughter, and any other pageant kid I sew for, leaves their clothes on. All of them. I aim for cute/bordering on silly. “sexy” doesn’t even begin to factor in. In fact, that’s why I became a “pageant grandma”. My daughter in law knew I sewed, and wanted to do pageants with gd. Asked me if I’d make her clothes. Of course. I honestly expected she’d hate it, and/or she’d lose. Neither was true, so a year later we are still at it, and not a single stripper micron her repertoire, now or ever!
The bunny and Madonna have already been on TnT, just before they had those horrid outfits. The jacket tricks had a place back in the days of Pro-Am, but NOBODY proams anymore.
Pageant Grandma– I know what you mean about the costs. I do our music, props, photos, clothing, everything– and we can still only swing 5 or 6 nationals a year.
Sorry. Pageant people dominating the conversation again.
But the point is we all agree that we don’t like little girls ripping off their skirts. And that if footage of the 2 year old in her playboy bunny outfit makes it on air, the shit may hit the fan. Then again, the general population could be numb after the hooker thing.
Also, dear mr. Todd– I get you hastily speeches all planned out, and then they threw traven in just to screw with you. But every little boy (a few, possibly, but not “every”) does not dream of being a beauty queen.
Hastily = “got your”.
I’m confused here…am I right in assuming that Paisley’s mom has put her in a playboy bunny costume at a pageant? Please confirm!
Wow! Traven is a piece of work. Every thing that his mother and grandmother think are cute at 6 are going to trigger something with them when he’s 15 with a child on the way and has been arrested twice.
Does anyone else wonder where Hulk Hogan was when Samantha was conceived?
@AmyOops-; ) That darn song. This recap has some of the best screencaps ever.
@Veruca, what is pro-am again? I vaguely remember hearing about it once. Why doesn’t anyone do it anymore? how does it compare to what we see on TnT?
Thanks!
Great recap!!!!
I shuddered in horror when I found this “before and after glitz retouching” site. Photoshopping eyeliner onto babies is just too freaky to contmplate.
http://www.pageantretouch.com/pageant.htm
Loyal Viewer– Actually, the playboy bunny and Madonna costumes belong to Laila and her sister. Laila was on this past season, cannot remember the episode off the top of my head. Playboy bunny is Greer’s costume. and I believe she JUST turned 3.
Whoochile– Pro Am is a highly stylized dance/modeling (think Vogue, but with more foot movement). It includes lots of costume tricks, (hat tricks, jacket tricks, in some cases belt tricks). A GREAT example of Pro-Am can be found on the documentary “Living Dolls”. If you youtube it, I think its on Part 3. Shane King used to be the master of coaching proam. My oldest can proam, but it has largely faded out and I doubt the younger two could hang. To give you an idea of how old it is– I used to pro-am when I competed…lol!!
Gram (41), I believe that you would never create a dress fit fer strippin’ and never will. Still, the first pageant girl I ever saw was Jon Benet Ramsay, and she did the jacket thing. The media were just full of horrible images of that beautiful child, but the jacket one was the one that sticks in my mind.
What is even worse is the Michael Jackson crotch-grab. Yeesh. True, most kids have no idea what they are doing– except Traven, and that is just scary. I agree that the mugshot is a portent of things to come.
Missy (50), those photoshopping pix were ghastly (although just for a teensy leetle moment the thought crossed my mind…).
Closet (37) I can’t believe that we agree on something. Yay. However, lighthearted laughter comes straight out of the average bodice-ripper, so I’ll score half on that one *evil chuckle* And Puleeeze don’t ask me how I know about bodice-rippers. Research. Purely research, and I’m not changing my story.
Veruca, thanks so much for clearing that up for me.
Missy, I agree with SSC those photoshopping pics were scary as anything. The after shots made most of them look like plastic dolls
May I just say I LOVE Mr. Todd! I can totally see us going to the bars and having a blast!!!
Travon (wtf) enjoy prison someday, cause with your smarmy little attitude that’s where you are headed my friend. Ave and Samantha were adorable. I miss NiNi though, will she ever return?
Crabby, as usual, a fantastic recap to start my day!
Does everybody agree that Pat’s avatar illustrates how any of us would look if we were to come face to face with Traven in 10 years?
And the par-tay list with ‘cappers, commenters and pageant presenters is growing so much that we are going to have to rent one of those conference rooms used for pageants.
Hey! How ’bout putting on our own pageant? First dibs on Gram making my dress!!!
Ok SSC – I’ll have Beth make mine!! I’m sure we could all totally rock cupcake dresses!
So it’s playboy bunny and chippendales routines now? So nasty. I thought Traven’s dance moves looked like an x rated routine and and it grossed me out. How can there be more parents in the world that think that’s ok for kids to do?
Sign me up for the pageant! I’ve got the perfect tear away skirt that makes me rock the stage AND sparkle at the same time.
Now, will we have to stick with pixie sticks and mountain dew, or can we have alcohol since we are big kids?
Laila was in the “merry glitzmas” episode with bob and Riley. She has two sisters. Ugh! If she is Madonna and Greer is a playboy bunny, one is left to wonder what they came up with for little piper? Seriously, moms! Knock that crap off!!!
Jazzy, must say i agree with you, the dance moves were gross for a little boy that age….
Oh, and I am flattered, but while I could totally outfit the lot of you in appropriately hilarious outfits of choice (and crabby, yours would definitely be shiny and have gossamer wings), I don’t do dresses. I might have beth do my granddaughter’s next one though.
I think someone else touched on it, but I think what disturbed with traven is that if that were a girl saying those things and making those gestures, people would be having a fit that would make the hooker-outfit fallout look tame.
“LUX in luxuriate”
ROTFLMAO!!!!
DearCrabby, you just hit another homerun!
@snow… Deal!
You can see pictures of the Greer’s Playboy Bunny outfit and Laila’s Madonna outfit on their Facebook fan page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ultimate-Fans-Of-Laila-Greer-Shpigler/385043734870229
I really wish I could un-see them.
It doesn’t happen often that I am at a loss for words. This is one of those times.
Wish I could unsee ‘em too, Hotsy. Ick. Daddy looks like quite the perv.
‘Kay, please ‘splain something to me: “Please Don’t Use Any Of These Pictures For Roleplay & Please Be Nice ♥”
What does that mean? They know the icky guys are out there and asking them not to….?
I used to be an early childhood teacher and I encountered a lot of kids like Traven. I have a feeling his comment about firing people because “they weren’t making good choices” is him parroting back something he’s heard at school/daycare a lot. I remember saying that phrase a lot in my toddler teaching days. It was dealing with kids like this that inspired me to go back to school to get an advanced degree. Now I teach college English, and I have to say, there are times when the two teaching situations aren’t all that different.
The sign Traven’s family brought–wow. I know others have commented on it, but when I saw that on the ep, I could not stop laughing. Also, The Pony referring to itself on its sign as a “strip joint”–like, let’s not even bother classing this up with any of the “gentlemen’s club” nonsense. I’d love to see the women who work there. Could be that Grandma might fit right in.
Ava-Cate’s poodle cracked me up, too, when AC let out a little burp during her interview and the dog let out a little bark in response. They seemed like a nice family, but I have to agree with everyone else on the skirt-ripping and general stripper-like qualities that we see in some of these pageants. It is possible to win with a perfectly conservative costume (see awesome Lacey Mae’s voodoo costume from a few episodes back). Still, the judges seem to positively reinforce the stripper moves, as we often see the stripper girls winning titles. Hell, Eden Wood has practically built a career around her Vegas showgirl costume.
I noticed that, too, snowshoe! WTF?
If she’s that concerned about the misuse of her children’s photos, then why on earth is she posting them on a publicly accessible website?!?
Hotsy, I think it’s hilarious that when I read the first part of your comment about children in the early stages of education eliciting those comments my first thought was that it sounded like my college students. Then to find you now teach higher-ed and find the same thing….
*sigh*
Snowshoe, I can answer that one. Young girls (10-14, typically) like to put up fake profiles as a sort of game on fb, and they often use the pics from pageant-and-celebrity kids’ pages.
Who the FUCK puts their little girl in fishnet stockings? Oh wait. Pageant moms do. The dumbasses. And those retouched photos are very Children of the Corn creepy. Holy Moly!!!
I just wanted to share that I encountered a former pageant queen in the workplace. I had suspected it, but was proven right last week. She was a project manager and was absolutely horrible to the point of almost stomping her feet if she didn’t get what she wanted. We tried to point her in the right direction, but she would have nothing of it and continued to live in her own little world. Until last week when we were all called into a meeting to explain why the project was a total failure that cost the company $2.3M and she proceeded to try and “throw us under the bus.” The VP is a smart man, though and wasn’t falling for her shit. Eventually she saw the writing on the wall, put her elbows on the table with her hands straight up, plopped her overly made-up chin on her fists, tilted her head to the side and down and then fluttered her eyelashes at him. Three of us looked at one another in total disbelief. The VP raised an eyebrow and ended the meeting. Found out today that she no longer works for the company.
So the moral of the story is, you may be able to get a job using pageant moves, but you sure as hell can’t keep it if you have nothing to offer. Although I have to say, there are a lot of women (and a few men) that when we see each other in the hallways, we do the hands under the chin move. People not in the know look at us strange, but we just laugh and move along.
I had surgery today and have a bottle of Vicoden. I plan on mixing them with alcohol for tomorrow
night’s show.. I apologize now for my f#cked up comments.
I am only kidding about the above mixing. I wouldn’t waste that combo on T & T. That has Eden’s World written all over it, lol!
I think we ALL agree about no stripping,
Oh. My. Gosh. Mrs. Shpigler (if that’s really your name). Unbelievable of you to post your kids’ pictures all over an open facebook page and then ask people not to use them in roleplay. Oh, you said please, so I’m sure no one will use them for their own perverse pleasure.
BTW, it’s THEIR everyday life. Not THERE Idiots.
Wow, y’all put the pig in Shpigler.
The madonna and bunny pics made me think of my dear old dad, who would have skinned me alive for evan thinking of going out of the house dressed that way WHEN I WAS AN ADULT… compared to rockin’ skeevo dad who apparently doesn’t mind parading his preschoolers around in the same… outfits of choice, I’m guessing? The question is: whose choice?
even, not evan!
Playboy bunnys mommy, Anna-Maria and “one of new yorks top talent agents” (because the top talent agents have time to spend a whole day at a pageant with a nobody pageant kid) seem to party like Traven.
http://www.splashnewsonline.com/2011-12-13/tlcs-toddlers-and-tiaras-moms-get-racy/
Watching Traven do that finger/tongue thing made me feel physically sick, when you look at these trailer homes some of the families are living in, you have to wonder why pageants are such a high priority?
I thought Ava- Cate was sweet. Yes the bum slapping thing was weird, but I think it was just one of those weird things some kids do to be funny without realizing how it is seen by an adult. Plus her mum was discouraging it unlike Travens mom!
Seriously, what is with the bleaching of the hair in that other family!! You can be blonde that is fine, but all she needs is some allergies and a trench coat and she could play a albino villain in a bond movie.
@Razz Beth I know where you are coming from with the pageant kids growing up after seeing an episode of wife swap featuring a past pageant girl and her family! but I am sure a lot of them will grow up to be normal civilized humans. That was probably just one person with a bad attittude who happened to compete in pageants as a child. I know an absolutely horrible adult who did athletics as a child but I don’t attribute everything wrong with that person to athletics. It’s more to do with the environment they are growing up in and who their parents are. For example, the type of person Calamari might turn out to be could be different to the type of person Gabby will turn out to be. They both have VERY different parents but do the same ‘sport’.
Count me in for the Snarkle Pageant! I will bring the Red Bull and Cherry Vodka.
Uveitis has left me legally blind in one eye so may I pay half of the entrance fee?
Wtf was up with the see through lace and black leather and thigh highs??? Can we report that FB page as child pornography bc it gets pretty close!
The dog/Sarah Mcglaughlin comment cracked me up to no end, as well as the guy with the trach comment. Dear crabby, I think we would make great buds, and I am all for having an adult cupcake dress and tiara wearing get together, even if it’s just to go to the mall. Lol.
Omg I just went and looked at Laila and Greer’s photos and (besides vomiting) I know what they are doing with regards to the outfits.
It’s all Blake Woodruff “top new York talent agents” doing. He represents these two sisters and Paisley. He knows these “sexy” (I cringe using that word in relation to children) outfits get attention and PR from a number of worldwide news sources and is getting these moms to dress the kids like this in the pursuit of fame and getting their names out there… This is probably worse than what Mickie Wood is doing, at least she tries to keep Eden childlike (sort of).
He is a freaking poor agent, any publicity is NOT good publicity. What a douchebag and taking advantage of idiot naive mothers. If he was so good he would be representing people of note, not trying to get fame for some three year old that was once on a reality episode.
@closet fan If you got them you should share them! I can’t make it through more than a few minutes of Edens world without my brain wanting to abdicate. When she sings, I’m ready to move on to ‘ludes dude! Anyone who tells her mom she has talent needs to be punched right in the ovaries.
I think the facebook page is a fan page run by someone other than mom. Facebook fan pages for pageant kids freak me the hell out. Mom is very nice but the outfits are horrible. Even worse than the hooker outfit. The problem is that her girls could go out in paper sacks and win. OK not really, but they are beautiful girls who are really put together and they can win without the disgusting outfits. I’m afraid other moms will see them win and assume it’s because they are dressed like playboy bunnies or are stripping into Madonna outfits and follow suit. Believe me, most pageant moms are just as disgusted by the outfits as the general population. I think they need to fire the wanna be agent and get back to winning without being crass.
But now Harriet has me wondering if Blake told her to dress the kids like prosti-tots to get extra attention for their “modeling” careers because it worked for Paisley. I think you may be on to something… maybe she wants the negative attention, because it’s better than no attention at all?
@Pageant-grandma I went back and watched Traven again. Because I just could not get him off of my mind. (I saw the “lewd gesture” BTW)
Everybody that said if it was a little 6 yr girl the reaction would be a lot different is 100% right.
I’m not smart enough to say exactly at what point inappropriate and or bad taste or just being butt ignorant crosses the line over into sexual abuse.
What I am smart enough to say is that there’s a huge double standard. And to tell anybody looking at Traven and feeling weird or scared that he‘s not what’s causing you to feel like that.
He needs to get into a different environment. Not because he’s smart or might have acting potential. Because he’s 6.
And that’s about all I feel comfortable saying about it in public.
@Harriet – yes, I realize that not every child will grow up to be the imbecile that I dealt with. Thus the sentence: “So the moral of the story is, you may be able to get a job using pageant moves, but you sure as hell can’t keep it if you have nothing to offer.”
At no point did I say that this would happen with every child who participated in a pageant. We have seen several girls and boys that have wonderful attitudes and proper parenting that will go on to succeed in whatever they decide to do.
Since this board is about T & T, I posted my experience with a former beauty queen. If this was the Jersey Shore recap and I worked at the store with those orangutans, I would have posted about my experience with them (and most likely Snooki’s horrible stench).
The point being that some of these children are being taught the wrong things and lessons learned at such young ages are the ones that stay with them. For a 30 year old business woman to default to her training of looking cute when she was confronted with her mistakes shows how ingrained this behavior is.
Your child wants to be in a pageant – fine
You dress your child up as a Playboy Bunny – not fine
Your child bumps and grinds on the stage – completely not fine
You teach your child that sex and cute looks will get them anything – borderline child abuse
You make sure your child gets a good education, has manners and social graces – CRUCIAL
That last item pertains to every child, no matter what sport or hobby they choose to participate in.
So I wake up this morning after dreaming I’m pregnant and about to give birth to a baby girl, I have very little money and instead of buying diapers and stuff like that what am I worried about buying a glitz dress for my baby to enter the next pageant that I can find. WTF !!!!! ROFL
Good thing I’m fixed from having cancer so that’s not an option but really WTF! I think I need help
Oh Confused – don’t worry about the diapers, just be an innovator and get a lovely brown bedazzled cupcake dress and accessorize with a pine tree car air freshener. Kill two birds with one stone.
Chicken Lips, great idea
Razzy, the image of your erstwhile PM using that cutesy pose in a business meeting gave me such a giggle-fit! How on earth did she get that far?
Great example of what little girls can learn from pageants and carry over into adultery.
@razzbeth we had a project manager who was so incompetent we lost our two biggest clients. We had a party when she left. She used to do the same thing where she would bat her eyelashes and play stupid when held accountable. She is now making our lives hell as an employee of a subcontracter
We can trade dumb bitch anecdotes all day but the fact is you don’t need to be a pageant queen to use your gender as an excuse. I know many more pageant girls who use their experience to make their voice heard. All the ones I know are active in the community and civically minded. My daughter will be making the jump to teen pageants in a year or two and you don’t mess around there. You need the grades, the activities, the community service, the talent and the poise and confidence to win those.
@confused you just gave me an idea for the next big TLC show. Ever see reborn dolls? Google it if you dare. Imagine a pageant of reborn dolls!
@razzbeth you know what would have been awesome? If your PM friend would have ripped off her skirt and swung it around her head! That would have been legend- wait for it- ary! That’s a pageant move we need to see more of in the board room.
Ok back to work for me lol
Stagey, that is the most disgusting thing I have yet to see. They look like dead babies. Very disturbing.
@StageMom. I’m pretty sure I now have a piece of macaroni from my soup stuck in my sinuses thanks to that visual. The people that came over to render medical assistance have read your comment and are now making plans for the company picnic. Note to self: do NOT forget the camera this year!
I laughed so hard I just snarfed up half a glass of strawberry-flavored Colon Buddy onto the cat. Mr. Piddles was mad at first, but now he’s licking himself clean.
Does anyone know if colon cleanser is okay for cats?
@notwithout, I had to come in to see your whole comment, the pop-up thread ended with “strawberry-flavored colon.” And, yes, fine for cats…enjoy your new carpets…;0
And exactly WHAT is Mr. Piddles’ last name? Never mind. You’re about to find out.
Beat me ash… And much better.
Oh god.
Mr. Piddles looks perfectly fine, but I’m feeling like I just watched a Grey’s Anatomy Valentine’s Day marathon…
Heh, heh, heh.
@StageMom thanks for the google search idea…WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!! Snowshoe is right dead babies…..
@notwithoutmytv start stocking up on litter for Mr. Piddles LOL
WOHOO I can sparkle and snarkle for 100!
I know this is a bit off the topic of this recap.But I am reading the Fifty Shades of Grey Books and I think Crabby should read and write a recap. LOL… I think it would be Great.
T & T on all night! Whoo hoo! Promo for this Sunday’s American Gypsy looks soooo good too.
Yay! Beth and Gabby are on! *waves at TV and laptop* Hi ladies!
@TVKimmy “Hi!” LOL! I didn’t even tell the girls it was on again, there are certain voices on there that raise my blood pressure right on up to the top! As far as my hopes and dreams of Gabby being a CEO, the have. Been recently crushed with her new addiction to the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader reality show, lmao!
This episode was just all kinds of wrong. I absolutesly hate when boys and girls compete against each other. And, don’t get me wrong, Traven was cute in a Chucky sorta way but there was no way he was beating a girl at that pageant.
@Beth I don’t blame you one bit. After watching it a second time, I found myself muting the majority of the show. But I had forgotten how heartbroken Gabby was, although I know you haven’t forgot. Hit me so hard and I’m not her Mom. Much love to you both!
This recaps episode is on now and I find Traven’s behavior more disturbing then the last time. *shudders* I hope by some miracle he gets a new positive influence in his life and quickly. He seems so intelligent and is probably a great kid, but he needs to learn how to be a kid before trying to be a grown ass, flirting, “man”.
@TV Kimmy, funny thing is he was actually laughing so hard she started crying over something totally unrelated. The wonders of editing
she was for the most part very happy with her title. Zoe on the other hand, not a happy sister, lol!
@RazzBeth I was agreeing with you just putting a different perspective on it. No need to write an aggressive 5 paragraph debate directed at me….
Does anyone know the girls competing on tonight’s new episode?
I am not aware of any of the girls on tonight’s show, but I will be sure to be checking out the background contestants
Unfortunately I don’t know many girls down in Mississippi where I think this was filmed.
I just watched Sami Jo’s episode. Ava- Cate won that episode!
Again I saw Eden at the end of Paisley episode standing near Isabella’s mother. Was anyone here at that pageant?
10 pm! Bring on the crazies! I am on if anyone wants to snark.
Welp, Traven’s first babymomma is on right now. Its obvious he met her at The Pony.
I’m waiting for the episode that covers the Miss Junior High Top Spinach Quiche Special Twinkly Leopard Printed Darling Little Sweet Glory Rhinestone Truck Driver Pageant.
@Moli I’ve been wondering…..if Traven is also destined for the pole, would he work at the male equivalent, The Stallion?
@Beth Damn, those editing monkeys can be way tricky. Well, I’m glad she wasn’t upset about how she placed. She did great.
TVKimmy. That pageant has tequila shots written all over it.
Okay, so you don’t want to cut her baby curls. They are so damn precious to you that you barely want them cut, but you are okay dumping shittons of chemicals on them? And you have her sleep with you at night so you can look at her. Oh, PLEASE, stop by and say hi, crazy over-attached…….holy crap! How can this woman talk about keeping her child as young for as long as possible and turn around and say you want to dress her as Marylin Monroe because she was a sex symbol?!?!? WOW.
@Closet Fan ~ I was thinking Maddog 20/20.
Emma’s mother is coo coo for cocoa puffs! Crying because you grow up to fast in the business. Bitch no one is forcing you to enter your 3year old daughter in pageants. Btw, stop coloring Emma’s hair.
I can’t even focus on the other girls because my mouth is hanging open.
Oh my god, *laughs* did you guys see the bored as hell little boy sulking through that last shot of Mackenzies (sp?) Mom? I hope Crabby grabs that shot. Priceless.
*passes Moli a Vicodin and a shot of her favorite hooch* Here, this should help.
Ok, Ijust saw up until the 1st commercial before. I got sidetracked and I already can’t wait for the recap!!! Back to my DVR!
Holy sugar! Pixie stick much.
WTF??? A Paci while getting your hair highlighted?? Oh this woman is Cray-Cray!
@ Closet Fan ~ I found the fact that the sugar liked like coke in his palm rather ironic.
Don’t hate on me pageant mom’s but I think points should be deducted for copying the moves the parent or the coach is doing. I know that is not worded properly, Vicoden, but you know what I mean. I would rather see a much simpler routine with no mimicking than Watch a trained seal. Seriously if I was a judge I would haul off on someone, having to deal with that right behind me all day.
TVKImmy, I thought the same thing.
So tonight they replayed JLo’s episode before the new episode. I about fell off the couch when she said “My daughter Camari is the total package.” I still can’t get past the utter delusion and the lack of verbal ability for a 3 year old just continues to make me sad. Talk about misplace priorities
On to tonight’s real episode:
When you are the announcer, is it really too much trouble to wear something other than a ratty t-shirt and jeans? Because, no, a flower in your hair doesn’t dress up that outfit.
When Liz threw her hissy fit and said she didn’t want mini supreme, as a parent I’d have jerked that crown off her head and taken it up to the director and said that they should give it to someone else because clearly my daughter is a whiny little brat who doesn’t appreciate it. Good for dad for putting his foot down. I hope he meant it because if she did this over pageants, that child will do this her whole life over every competitive sport unless dad truly nips it in the bud and teaches her some manners.
Good for McKenzie for hollering congratulations to Victoria when she won ultimate. McKenzie had better sportsmanlike behavior than her mom did.
Emma was cute but her hair was just weird and her smile was so fake during beauty.
Whenever I think about Pacific Islands the 1st thing that comes to my mind is Mississippi.
Thanks Ashley for telling me what happened in tonights episode! I am west coast and uave not been able to watch yet….!!!
Closet Fan–
I agree that points should be deducted for watching the coach/mom/whatever. Beauty modeling has gotten entirely out of hand. Even some of the teens are making the faces and what not in beauty now. We refuse to do so and sometimes we lose “personality” points because of it, but we’re fine with that. Rather look graceful and poised than look like a trained circus seal.
@thisbugs4you: I’m just going to assume you are being sincere since I can’t imagine coming to a T&T board where posters have a habit of posting, every week no less, about the show airing that night, and then complaining when the show is discussed. Especially when I count about 10 posts just so far about tonight’s show already. Hugs.
Talking about the episode is one thing. But revealing the winner is another. That is all I am saying. With all the talk about Emma’s mom made me want to tune in, but with your spoiler, well quite frankly you ruined that for me. Just being Honest with you.
OMG I have to say how much I love these recaps and most of the commenters on this site! I do not watch the show but love this feedback! You guys rock!!
I think we need the minicap earlier. 15 minutes in and I want to smack Emma’s mom with the baby talk.
Explain something to me. She doesn’t want to cut her babies hair because she doesn’t want her kid growing up too fast. But she will have it dyed? Am I missing something?
@StageMom don’t forget she also dressed up her up like a sex symbol.
Emma’s mom needs to lay off the Botox stat.
Oh yeah. While Marilyn was a beautiful woman, she was also a bit of a (how to say this nicely) woman of loose morals who was sleeping with the president and managed to OD. Let me dress my kid like her. Look at the bright side, at least Emma didn’t rip off her skirt and swing it around her head this week.
Am I the only sick puppy who is going to burn in hell for getting the giggles every time they say “facials”?
Last question. Did Makenzie look like Kalia from the Gold Coast episodes or was it just me?
Cool! I do a Twitter watch at the same time you are here watching together! So much fun to do it in. A group!!
Um, Stagey… Ya missed the sarong-strip!!!! When the right music didn’t play Emma had that deer-in-headlights stare and mommy Hope kept screaming at her to ” take it off! Take it off!”. She got to do it on the second run-through with the correct music, but it just wasn’t the same.
Loved the skinny woman in librarian glasses who kept kvetching about kids not making eye contact. Over and over and over.
I have to agree its one thing to mention scenes that occur during the show, buts it’s another to point blank reveal the winner in the previous weeks recap. In Ashley’s defense she may not realize that we have gasmii from the entire world i.e. Canada…France and different coasts of the US. FYI, let’s be courteous when discussing the current episodes and avoid spoiling it for others
Buggy! I hope, hope, hope (pun noticed on the second Hope) you watch tonight’s epi in spite of its having been literally spoiled for you.
Never even mind who won or who didn’t, it was a thorough jaw-dropper. Emma’s mom is one of the most despicable moms in the history of pageants… favorite twins notwithstanding. The other featured girls are egos run amok!
So if you haven’t watched yet, it is a must!
Dear Tabby, is it possible to create the minicap prior to the episode? And by create I mean type the title so the ones of us who want to snark while it is on can without ruining it for the others?
And speaking of Botox, fillers and pageant faces…. McKenzie? I lost count on how many times she made the porn duck pout.
I haven’t watched yesterdays yet, can’t wait to read the mini-recap. I’ve skipped over the parts here talking about the winner
One librarian/pageant judge has a fever and the only prescription is more eye contact.
The duck face should be banned across the board. Sometimes I want to put my daughter in a Bugs Bunny OOC with a sign that says “Duck Season”. Don’t think that would go over well though
Hi,I am new — Quite a nice little snarky community going here! LOVE IT!!
This show is one of my favorite things – I can’t even say why — maybe I like the feeling of being shocked by other people’s bad taste and ignorance because it makes my own bad taste and ignorance (which, of course, I can’t perceive) pale in comparison? I loved it how McKenzie congratulated the winner. That was sweet! But – do these parents realize, when they name their little girls McKenzie, that they are naming them after a famous victim of her famous pedophile father? Somehow that doesn’t go well with pageants… or perhaps it goes extra well? I have never seen so many McKenzies, Mikaylas, Kaylas, Kylees, etc. as on this show — is McKenzie a popular name for all little girls, or just mostly among pageant toddler families? My fave name this season HAS to be DAMITRI’ANA, who represented the “country” of Africa in the around the world pageant. Off.the.chain.
@StageMom or how about Elmer Fudd “Be vewy vewy quiet, I’m hunting wabbits” LOL
samantha was so pretty, but she kind of reminded of anna nicole smith. The mug shot of Travon was Hillarious!!! I was happy to see the trach guy since I work with trach patients, LOOL
Not to be rude buggy because I was just being honest too. I seriously cannot imagine someone coming to a website where it is common every week for comments about the current show to be posted as it is airing on the previous week’s recap and then complain that the show was spoiled for that person. Why bother?
Long time stalker, first time poster, and eeek…pageant mom! I love these recaps. Traven was a demon spawn, plain and simple. More disturbing than his behavior, was the fact that his mother thought that it was funny. You have to nip crap like that in the bud EARLY. They may think its cute now, but when he is saying that crap at 16 and some girl’s dad shoots him in the ass, it won’t be so laughable.
I think that glitz pageants are disturbing, and my daughter is a pageant kid. We compete natural, in pageants that have portions like interview and talent, no just ones where they are judged on how much we spend on her clothes and hair. We do take some flack for it, but out daughter enjoys them, and we think that the pageants that we choose encourage healthy competition, and encourage her to be polished and well rounded. If she behaved like Traven, it would be her last pageant, and I would be finding a quiet room to spank the holy hell out of her!
Crabby,I love your recaps, and would so go out for drinks with Annette and Mr. Todd!
At Ashley, yes, comments about the current show is one thing. But to out right tell the winner when half of us Gasmi have not seen the episode is rude! Again, I will say that yes I was still commenting on THIS episode, that THIS recap is about. Someone had said, wow one of the moms is crazy, so that made me want to actually watch it when it airs and not from the DVR a few days later like I normally do. Crabby usually has the mini-caps up the next day, So I guess if you have not seen the episode by then, it would be ok to comment in that mini, and reveal who won. But not in the recap from the previous week. I can see that I am not the only commenter that felt that way.
I mean it is done now. But if we all could please not “Spoil” the winners anymore in the mini caps or the previous recaps, that would be great!! Thanks have a nice weekend
I know no one is still reading this, but welcome aboard, Kat. Nice to have more “insider info”. My granddaughter does glitz and natural, but since I make most of her outfits, it’s not nearly as expensive.
Thanks pageant-grandma! I sew a lot of my daughters clothing myself as well. I just cannot fathom spending thousands on a dress or outfit she will only wear on stage.
I live in the UK and various spellings of McKenzie are a popular name for little girls. I did not even know there was a famous case with a child of that name.
Kat – welcome aboard! Plenty of room at the bar for new commenters. Mr. Todd is buying the first round until we can find Betty’s wallet.
I hope child pageants will NEVER become popular in europe! Scary thought!
I started modelling when I was 16. I thought it would be good pocket money. I started hating it. My agent wanted me to give up school and go to Italy, but I decided to quit.
I finished school, went to university, travelled the world and never ever missed the beauty business.
Some mothers put their babies in pageants. That’s the life they know from early on.
They are NOT asked! Make up, false nails, false hair, false tan…They don’t even have time to develop and express their natural beauty. They learn that the only thing that counts is outer (fake) beauty.
They all seem so unnatural and brainwashed by their sad mothers/ parents. No kid cares about money, or looks. And they shouldn’t…there’s enough of competition, greed and shallowness in adult life.
These kids are trying to please their idiot mothers, that’s all. Underneath all this cheap looking glitz and glam is a lot of pain and as a human being you should be able to tell by looking into the blank stares and fake smiles that they don’t enjoy it! It’s a disgrace to children. And these kids have no voice…I watched a couple of episodes and everytime there was a case for CPS. Long term studies show that pageant girls have unhealthy relationships to their bodies and are more likely to develop anorexia, depression, body dismorphia etc… and other psychological problems.
When Traven is in the audience and is crying saying he was just joking….if you listen very carefully after that, I believe he yanks his cousin to him telling her to “sit on this pixie stick.” WOW…and mom follows with…”he needs counsiling”. With grandma cheering him on to “break it down juicy” and thinking it’s funny that her grandson thinks she should go work at the local strip club…”The Pony”, many years will be needed.
OMG. Dont say a word about the girls. That little boy Traven should be named Train Wreck. His mother cant even speak proper English! I dont see a Father Figure on the program, so I guess I get to pay taxes for another angry Man child being raised in ignorance. I guess it will never stop unless IQ tests are given out prior to allowing reprocreation.
Traven is so cute! Stop hating on him!!!
Just seen the episode with Traven! I was shocked! Traven and his mom are black trailer trash! And Traven’s behavior has been created by his ghetto mom. She has 2 golden tooth caps, but no teeth on the side. She and her mom is very much promoting his outrageous behavior! This is a 6 year old kids without ever learning manners. His big month and disrespectful behavior is nothing to laugh about, because when a 6 year old tells his mom who brings the money at home and tellin his mom she needs to work for a stripclub, he doesn’t have this from himself, but he must of hear about the club. Traven en Honey Boo boo are material for “protected child services”, because no one is taking action, Travel will be at age 13 a dad himself and before he is 20, he might be a projectile for the Maury show and see how many women he made pregnant. The kid act like he is a baby dope dealer and a pimp and he gets his stimulation from his family. Traven is a lost child without having a proper chance in life!