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Ron: I knew zero. I'd see motorcycle clubs whiz by like the rest of us and just consider it to be very loud and an annoyance and I just thought that these guys were men without a country, just purely rebellious. I never thought about it beyond that. I'd never been on a bike, I don't have that in my own fun psyche, so everything I did was kind of filling in a very blank slate, and my eyes got really opened to the sociopolitical aspects of the impulse to start these clubs.
And most of the guys who are members of these clubs were veterans, probably most of them fought in wars, in different wars, the Korean War, Vietnam, Desert Storm, the current Iraq war, so they're warriors to begin with, and they come back to America after the most patriotic of acts, which is the act of self sacrifice for their country and not only are they not welcomed as heroes but they're kind of shunned because their psyche is such that it's okay for a warrior to go kill and die but it's not okay for them to come back to the United States and marry your sister.
Nads: Right.
Ron: So it's kind of like, if you don't mind a little salty language, f*** me, f*** you.
Nads: Lol.
Ron: (cont.) I'm out of here. I'm going to go create my own reality. I'm going to show you what patriotism really looks like and I'm going to be patriotic to what I consider to be things that are worth living and dying for. And that's the impulse behind the motorcycle club and it's very, very anarchistic and very sociopolitical. It's a reaction against something, which turned into a huge disappointment. Those are the things that, when my eyes were really opened as to how compelling these clubs are.
Nads: That's really interesting. I didn't even think about that.
Ron: I hadn't either.
Nads: Okay Katey...You said that you used to kind of run with the motorcycle crowds in your early 20s. How true to the storyline are you finding these episodes to reality? Maybe it wasn't this crazy when you used to run with the crowds, but are you finding it pretty true to life?
Katey: I never ran with a real motorcycle club. I want that to be made clear. I just had a lot of boyfriends with bikes. From what I've now learned of this world and how the show is being formed, it's really true to life. They have their own kind of code, and they have a lot of rules and regulations within their club. They're like their own little society. The families are very close and the guys are really bonded, so there seems to be a lot of reality to it. Certainly some of the goings on are not true to what exactly happens, but I don't know.
Nads: Ron, did Clay have a first wife that you know of, according to Kurt Teller? Is Gemma his second wife, and do you think he has any kids?
Ron: He has no kids, I can tell you that for sure. I don't know whether he's had another wife. That was a wedding photo, could've been a girlfriend at the time. I haven't seen the second episode so--
Nads: Ron, What kind of different challenges do you find between working for television as opposed to movies, since you've been in a lot of movies?
Ron: Well, the approach is the same. The general work is the same. The only difference is with a TV series you go a lot faster, you have to get more stuff done in a day than you do in a movie because the constraints of the schedule are really austere. So it's speed, and it's concentration and focus because it's relentless. I mean, you finish one episode at midnight on a Tuesday and then on Wednesday morning at seven you're in the makeup chair getting ready to start the next one without having a chance to take a breath in between. So that's basically the difference, but fundamentally you approach the work the same way
Nads: Katey, a lot of people are saying now that the best shows are actually on cable TV rather than on the broadcast networks, do you agree with that?