Ana Lucia – Yup, Still a Bitch

Lost

By Kat | Friday, November 18, 2005 | 5:07 pm | 100 Comments

ana_eko_cryWell I for one did not enjoy this installment of Lost, and I’m not afraid to say it. My main complaint is that the show is really starting to insult its fans by replaying the same scenes two episodes in a row. Also, Ana Lucia is starting to make Kate look like a barrel of monkeys in comparison. I mean, at least Kate is kind of slutty, so she’d probably be good times on a Saturday night, going out and flirting with boys. Ana Lucia would just shiv anyone who offered to buy her a drink.

Before I get to the recap, I wanted to give a public shoutout to EdHill. The “Ana Lucia, meet Shannon…” headline from last week’s recap was undoubtedly the best TVgasm headline all year. Ah, pretty beach. Pretty, pretty, serene beach. Aaaand…wham! Here comes the fuselage! The next few minutes are just like the very first episode of Lost, except with slightly fewer people. There’s the screaming and the gasping for air and the dead bodies floating around. The first perspective we get is Ana Lucia’s, and pretty soon we see that she and Eko are doing most of the rescuing. He pulls a little boy and his sister out of the water, and Ana gives the girl CPR and saves her. This right here is maybe the only segment of the whole damn show that I liked, because it set up a few things: The teddy bear we saw when the Others passed Jin and Eko was the little boy’s; Eko is good with people and very sensitive, since he takes the boy away while Ana performs CPR so that the boy won’t have to watch in case his sister dies; and, most importantly, Ana is a dumbass! As the girl comes to, she asks, “where my mom?” The look on Ana’s face is priceless as she realizes that now she has a kid she has to take care of. And naturally, she “promises” to get the kids home soon. Why are people on TV always promising stupid shit to each other?

Anyway, as we fade out to commercials, the Screeching Orchestra of Doom and Agony from the first crash scene plays as we see the aftermath. But compared to last year’s Panorama of Death, this is like a Diorama of Whining.

Eko was such a nice person before he went all intense in the jungle. Looks like he’s the caretaker of the kids, but asks Cindy, the flight attendant, to look after them for a second. Not that they really need it, I think, and Cindy seems to agree with me. She looks like there’s nothing she’d like to do less, actually. First she has to keep these kids in ginger ale on the plane, now she has to watch them off of it, too? Bummer.

Eko needed the alone time to go pull the dead bodies out of the water. See, I like that. He’s getting things done! Time’s a-wasting! Libby is up on shore being equally pragmatic. There’s a guy with a really bad broken leg – the bone is sticking out – and she’s telling him a distracting story while she works on it and resets it. He passes out, which seems like the best thing to do after someone’s twisted your leg back in to place. We find that Libby’s had a year of medical school, and when she asks if Ana is a doctor, Ana gives this looong pause before answering “no” with this big sigh. God. What? What is your point, writers? Does Ana have a mysterious background? Huh? I DON’T CARE.

She bugs me. I like Libby a lot, though. She’s bad-ass, and not a bitch! See, Ana? See how nice Libby is?

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Now some guy comes running onto the beach shouting about needing help for someone who’s stuck in a tree. Why, it’s character actor Brett Cullen! He looks exactly how his name sounds. Very dashing gentleman. Now, this is going to be sad. I know he’s not one of the ultimate survivors, which means the Others must get him at some point as they pick off members of the tail group. Yup, that must be it. Cuz he’s just one of the survivors! Totally recognizable Brett Cullen, who tends to play child-molesting gymnastics coaches and Republican senators! Just one of the survivors, confused and innocent as anyone else!

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So very hot! And not at all evil!

Ana and fellow survivor Brett Cullen run into the jungle to find Bernard, still in his airplane seat, stuck up a tree. The actor does a good job of acting scared out of his damn mind, but we know Bernard survives, so I can’t get worked up about it, no matter what the screechy death soundtrack is telling me to feel.

A couple of quiet scenes come next, the better to establish characters. Ana and Brett Cullen (OK, OK, the character’s name is Goodwin) have a little banter about him being in the Peace Corps, and we can see that they probably want to take one another’s clothes off. His talk about younger people not knowing what the Peace Corps is made me wonder how long he’d been on the island. How would he be able to say something like that unless A) he’d been on the island less than, say, five years, or B) they have some access to the real world, via radio or email or something.

Next, Bernard asks Eko if he pulled and African-Americans out of the water when he was moving the dead bodies. He’s asking after Rose, obviously, and I gotta say, he does an amazing job acting in this scene. I’m going to IMDB him to give him a shout-out…Hi, Sam Anderson! Love ya!

Later in the night, the group is woken up by the sounds of people fighting. Ana and Goodwin go dashing into the jungle, and find Eko crouching over two dead bodies, covered in blood and with a rock in his hand. This is the guy who just promised to pray for Rose and some rescue planes.
The next morning the group is figuring out that the men Eko killed have been on the island for awhile, and that they kidnapped three of their group. In the background, Eko is taking off his shirt (in something of a beefcake shot) and messing around with twigs and stuff. I think killing people has messed him up.

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So there’s this guy named Nathan who has the audacity to disagree with Ana. She wants to move inland, but he thinks they should stay on the beach, where they have a better chance of being spotted. Now, if you’ve never ever watched television before in your life, you’re probably getting a mite suspicious of ol’ Nathan right now. But you probably have watched TV before, right? Ana thinks they don’t need to be on the beach to be rescued, but Cindy the flight attendant begs to differ. Turns out the plane had been out of communication and heading back to Australia for two hours before the crash. So, no one knows where they are.

We cut to day three, where people are trying to open oysters and Ana is cutting the sleeves off a leather jacket, for better sex appeal. Libby tells her that the guy with the broken leg is dying, and in the one and only time I will ever agree with Ana, she rhetorically asks what they’re supposed to do about that.

And then, it’s day five. This is how they’re playing this episode? This is kind of a cop-out. It’s just a series of vignettes. Broken leg guy dies, it looks like he’s about the fourth to bite it, Eko is still standing around with a big stick, staring at the ocean.

Day seven: The dudes, including Goodwin are chasing a chicken. They catch it, there is dinner. Man, I guess this style of narration makes my job easier, but I don’t think the recap is going to be better for it.

Day 12: More Goodwin/Ana flirting, more yelling at Nathan for not obeying the Law of Ana – Wait a second! A chicken?!? Where did that come from? How is there a chicken on the island? If I were them and found a chicken, I’d be off looking for the farmer who brought it there! There isn’t just one chicken on the island, that’s for damn sure. Mmm, chicken.

It’s night now, and the tail survivors are sleeping peacefully under the watchful eyes of the Others. Oh, wait. The two kids get snatched up, along with most of the other survivors. Chaos all around. Ana manages to kill one of the Others, a girl about her age, I think. Ana pulls a knife and a piece of paper out of the dead woman’s pocket. There’s about five minutes of screechy scary music as Ana takes her time telling the rest that it’s a list of the nine people they just took. Lots of filler posing as dramatic moments on this show.

Ana is still highly suspicious of Nathan, and over the next couple of days they spend a lot of time glaring at each other. There’s trekking through the jungle after deciding to leave the beach, and finally come to a stop at a place with a stream. Ana immediately begins digging the hole that she turns into a prison, and it doesn’t help that Libby starts jabbering about how much Nathan freaks her out. So Ana strides up to Nathan, kicks him in the face, and drags him to the hole. Aw, Bernard is completely taken aback by her behavior. He’s so sweet.

Everyone manages to justify throwing Nathan down the hole by saying he disappeared for two hours the day the Others came back, and no one remembers him from the plane, nor do they buy his story that he was in the can the whole time. Listen, if he’s going to the bathroom for two hours at a time then he’s obviously suffering from severe gastrointestinal distress and they should all just leave him alone.

Ana goes back later to question Nathan some more. He says he was on a company retreat to Australia, but none of his colleagues were on the plane because he decided to stay a few extra days. See, either Nathan is the best liar in the history of the world or he’s telling the truth. Why would he make up such an unlikely story? End of vignette.

And in the next scene, Ana is still asking Nathan the same question. He’s not talking to her anymore, but she throws rocks at him and when he stands up, she discovers that someone’s been giving him food. Of course it was Eko, who apparently is the only person not afraid of Ana. By the way, he’s still keeping his self-imposed vow of silence.

Ana tells Goodwin that tomorrow she’s going to cut off Nathan’s finger unless he admits he’s an Other. So, what could possibly happen next? In the middle of the night, Goodwin pretends to rescue Nathan, but instead breaks his neck, just like he did to the chicken. What a shocker.

Ana wakes up the next day with Goodwin lying next to her and staring at her. It’s creepy, but it also occurs to me that crazy or not, Goodwin is probably pretty horny. And I’m not sure Ana’s making it any easier on him with the low-cut pants she’s wearing. I know some people are bothered by how white the castaway’s teeth are, but how about how well-groomed Ana’s bikini line is? I feel very exposed to her mysterious flower.

A few days later, the group finds the bunker the end up staying in. It says quarantine inside the door and has the Dharma logo, but instead of a swan there’s an arrow. They open a trunk and find, among other things, a Bible, a glass eye, and a radio. Eko is especially taken with the Bible, but everyone else wants dibs on the radio. Goodwin offers to take it to the top of the island for better reception. He initially resists when Ana offers to go with him, but changes his mind when she looks at him like she wants to lick him all over.

Goodwin and Ana talk about the Others and what their motivations might be, and naturally Ana starts asking Goodwin some uncomfortable questions. Like, why wasn’t he wet after the crash? Goodwin doesn’t even really put up a fight, instead just telling Ana that he had to kill Nathan before they figured out he wasn’t a spy. There’s a fight to the death. Goodwin loses. You know, I’m sure this scene was meant to be very dramatic, but there was not one second of this episode where I doubted that Goodwin was the bad guy, so any dramatic tension was pretty much lost for me.

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When Ana comes back alone, her group quite naturally wonders where Goodwin went. Ana’s only reply? “We’re safe here now.” Seriously? That’s all she’s going to tell them? Oh, why do I even bother getting worked up about her. I really need to start taking it for granted that nothing she does makes any sense. Speaking of not making sense, Ana definitely implied that she knew Goodwin was the bad guy all along. Which means that she caused Nathan’s death, in the name of stringing Goodwin along.

Aw, the next scene breaks my heart a little. Speaking of Ana being lame. Bernard is fidgeting with the radio, and actually makes contact with someone. As we know, it’s Boone, calling from the prop plane with the heroin stash. And now we know the reason transmission was cut was (sigh) Ana took the radio from Bernard and turned it off, insisting it was just the Others messing with them. Later she cries and cries and I don’t feel sorry for her.

And if you thought I was pissed off before, check this out. The rest of this episode is totally bullshit, and I say that as a consumer. First of all, they were promising us an extended episode. This had maybe three extra minutes on it. And anyway, the whole rest of the show is just a sequence of scenes we’ve already seen, from the day Michael, Sawyer and Jin washed ashore to the present. I feel like I’ve been cheated. If I’m not mistaken, this is the second episode this season where they’ve just replayed footage we’ve already watched. What behind-the-scenes shenanigans are afoot that’s causing all the copouts?

There are two things that happened that gave me chills, though; it’s my duty as a recapper to admit that. The last clip we see before “Today” is Cindy, alone, looking over her shoulder. That’s something we haven’t seen before, and it added a spooky element. Then, the group hears the voices that plagued Shannon and Sayid…and after Ana shoots Shannon, the look on Sayid’s face…that we have seen before, but I can’t get enough of it. Boy is ready to kick some ass. Yay Sayid!

Looks like next week the plot will actually move forward, finally. Until then, thoughts, ideas, concerns? I’ve probably set myself up to get flamed by hating this episode so blatantly, so let’s just remember to keep it civil in there! And…GO!

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100 Comments

  1. 1
    Timmy
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 5:34 pm

    halarious as usual – love it – Thanks. The brilliance of Lost is that at this point I HAVE to know what all these secrets/answers are. I know they string me along, throwing me minor tidbits every week. But every Wednesday morning I am excited for tonight’s episode and every Thursday morning that’s what everyone’s talking about. Additionally, new things I missed are revealed to me as the day goes on. Bottom line though, at the end, when it’s all revealed, it better be good.

  2. 2
    sighing lady
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 5:40 pm

    I’m going to splash around in the shallow end of the pool here, but did anyone else notice Eko nipples? Yes, I was that bored that I was watching for more shots of them. What a waste of an hour of my life. And AnaL must die…NOW!!

  3. 3
    meagan
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 5:41 pm

    yeh this episode overall sucked…..didn’t progress anything…didn’t reveal anything…basically jusr reiterating stuff we already know…i thought we’d at least find out why ana lucia was such a bicth…but nope…nothing…..seriously if they keep messing with me like this i’m gonna stop watching…ok i say that every week and i’ve yet to follow through…but this time maybe i mean it!!!

  4. 4
    Firecat
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 5:43 pm

    They are trying to create sympathy for Ana Lucia. I hope Sayid kills her….but looking at the preview, it looks like Ana may get the better of him (which is also bullsh!t).

    *Prays Sayid opens up a can of Iraqi whoop ass*

  5. 5
    Dana
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 6:14 pm

    Wasn’t Goodwin the name of the person that introduced Desmond to the Dharma button pushing? Maybe I’m wrong. Someone tell me please.

    The scene where she killed him was beyond gross. She staked him like Buffy used to.

  6. 6
    J-Balls
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 6:32 pm

    C’mon people, this episode was key. I’m not going to give away anything, but if anyone has read any of the theories on this show they know that what Goodwin said to Ana-Lucia right before she killed him is key to understanding what might be going on on the island.

    I will elaborate only if you guys want me to. Otherwise, go ahead and hate on this episode. But you have to admit it beats the crap out of that boring-ass Jin and his wife episode from a couple weeks ago.

  7. 7
    Cough
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 6:36 pm

    Are you people that stupid? A goddamn plane ,that Ana was on, just crashed in the middle of nowhere! She’s trapped on an island with strangers. She’s hungry, tired, Lost, and she has the Others kidnapping people one by one. All the while, she has to lead a group into the woods, looking for the oher survivors and she doesn’t know where she’s going. Now I ask all of you, under these adverse conditions I’m sure all of you would be as happy as a dog playing fetch right?? Of course you would be. I mean it’s really difficult for anyone to decipher why someone would be pissed with all this good stuff going on around them right? Put yourself in her position.

    Now when I send this through I’m going to get the common respsonses like ‘everyone else on the island isn’t bitchy, why is she the only one?” Perhaps being bitchy is her way of dealing with this catastrophy – we haven’t seen her backstory just yet. Maybe in her own unique way being a bitch is how she copes with this. You need to realise the circumstances before you pass judgement.

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    Stefanie
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 6:55 pm

    THANK you!

    i was so annoyed when she PROMISED that they’d be fine! oh, yeah, we’re in the middle of nowhere after a plane crash, but i PROMISE you’ll be okay, random little girl!

    shut up.

  9. 9
    Laughing Crow
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 7:00 pm

    Goodwin says Nathan wasn’t on the list because he wasn’t good. Only good people are on the list. Epiphany moment: Perhaps the writers of this show are trying to gain our sympathy for these Flight 815 survivors by showing us their sad backstories. We start to feel bad for them and empathize with them. My point: After we are so convinced that the Flight 815 people are good decent people and start to see even the shady ones (i.e. Kate, Sawyer, etc.) start to redeem themselves – we will start to see how the rest of their backstories and see how truly eviul some of them are. I bet that’s going to be the big shocker. We are rooting for the wrong team folks. I really think we are going to find out most of the “survivors” are really bad people, we just haven’t glimpsed that backstory yet. Imagine if Jeffrey Dahmer was an 815 survivor, but the writers wanted us to identify with him, so they don’t show us the real F’d-up stuff that qualified him as an insane serial killer, but instead show in his rare “normal” moments. We would have no idea who the guy really was and that’s what I think is happening here (especially when Goodwin dropped that bombshell about the list). This is the Flight 815 survivor’s final chance at redemption or Death separating the wheat from the Chaff. The kids are innocent and therefore safe. The other survivors that were captured (or “raptured”) are likely the “saved” non-denominationally. Just keep thinking to yourself “What don’t we know about the ‘good-guy’ characters?”

    P.S. Libby is a clinical psychologist. Weren’t the folks in the Dharma Orientation Film clinical psychologists?”

    Food For Thought.

    You may think I am off the mark, but I think I might be on to something.

  10. 10
    Hinha
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 7:12 pm

    Mmm, sighing lady, I too wanted more of those delicious-looking buttons of Mr. Eko. Dreamy!

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    ruthiblu
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 7:16 pm

    I vote for elaboration J-Balls.

    As for Ana Lucia, when she cried, I cried too. Some people are just like that. They feel they can’t let down their guard or show their humanity for any reason or else people will take advantage of them. In a life and death situation like this, that character trait could only be amplified. Just like Jack she has been thrown into a position of leadership so now she feels she has to be strong for everyone not just herself. I admire her really. She overpowered two men who were much bigger than she is. She’s pretty badass. Her backstory is going to be a good one.

    I did wonder why they didn’t go looking for the children and the others though. Its obvious now that the others are just people. Weird people we don’t understand but not superhuman. They were able to kill a few of them without much trouble.

    Kat: About the chicken – that’s a very good point! Where the hell did a chicken come from? I’ve heard of wild turkey’s but chicken?? Is there an underground KFC on the island too?

    Does anyone have the DVD of last season? Is Goodwin really the guy who was in the hatch with Desmond? Are all these “others” really ex-hippie peace-corp people who built their own utopia?

    Why did Goodwin say they took only the “good” people?
    Does that mean none of our original people are good?

  12. 12
    ruthiblu
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 7:30 pm

    Do you remember when Locke almost got sucked into that hole in the ground by the black ghosty thing? How come they never investigated that hole? Especially after finding the hatch? And why was Locke so sure he’d be ok if Jack let him go? Locke spent alot of time in the woods by himself. Do you suppose he met one of the others and knows exactly who they are?

  13. 13
    ruthiblu
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 7:35 pm

    Oh, one last thing – that plane must have been flying pretty damn low for all those people to have survived the crash. I think there is a magnetic force that caught the plane since it was flying so low. just a theory of mine. OK, I’ve thought about this way too much! I’m so hooked on this show!

  14. 14
    Kat
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 7:42 pm

    Laughing Crow (#9) – I like what you’re saying. Cool theory!

  15. 15
    Acton
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 7:58 pm

    I guess I’m in the minority, but I thought this episode was great: I couldn’t believed when I paused the TiVo and it was 50 minutes into it; it seemed like it had just started. And I don’t think of it as recycling, but more like “Rashomon.”

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    Raychel
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 8:29 pm

    My favorite line was when Ana Lucia asked “Are the kids ok?” and Goodwin replied “Children are fine.” Not THE children. Just children. Interesting…

  17. 17
    Laughing Crow
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 9:04 pm

    Thanks, Kat. Glad I’m not alone.

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    Laughing Crow
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 9:20 pm

    Does it seem odd to anyone that we have not seen any dead flight attendants? Not one of the bodies we have seen had a flight attendant uniform. Perhaps since there are hundreds of passengers and only a handful of flight attendants that could be statistically logical, but why not throw in one dead flight attendant in the horrific aftermath scenes just for good measure? No dead flight attendants – not on either side of the island / nor either season). Yes, I remember seeing the pilot but absolutely no crew. WEIRD. (if you haven’t already – please also comment on my hypothesis in progress #9 of whatever number this is). I need some validation – by the way, I really am more literate than my #9 comments indicate.

  19. 19
    TinkerbellAPixie TinkerbellAPixie
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 9:28 pm

    Um…wasn’t Cindy a flight attendant?

  20. 20
    Laughing Crow
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 9:34 pm

    By the way, Kat, please feel free to expand on my #9 theory, if you feel so inclined.

  21. 21
    Victoria
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 9:37 pm

    Cindy was a flight attendant. They guy in the hatch with Desmond was Kelvin. Goodwin may sound familiar because when Jin and Eko were looking for Michael, they came across Goodwin’s body which was still out there and Eko said, “That’s Goodwin.”
    Didn’t anyone catch the attempt to misdirect us with Nathan? Nathan=Ethan-Canadian.
    One thing this episode did show us is that it was indeed Ana who killed Shannon and not one of the Others.
    If you thought “Ana Lucia Meet Shannon” was the best headline of the year, you obviously didn’t see “Shock to the Heart and Jack’s to Blame” from 24.

  22. 22
    Laughing Crow
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 9:45 pm

    Wow, that is so funny that I missed the fact that Cindy was a “Flight Attendant”. I guess that’s one itch I can scratch. Thank you, TinkerbellAPixie!

    Let me push one more weird thought: I have a weird feeling (and perhaps we will now never know) that Nathan was connected to one of Kate’s bank robbing cronies (the ones that Kate screwed over). Now, my theory “is or was” that Nathan or someone on that flight was fixing to either spring Kate from the bounty hunter’s grasp or kill her in retribution for botching the bank job and screwing over her cohorts. Also, one more thing, if Flight 815 was destined to crash all along and they were “expected” (if that is the case), wouldn’t it be interesting if the “OTHERS” (or other powers that be) put someone on the plane to keep an eye on things. P.S. I totally dig Libby (short for “Liberation”?), but she feels like a bad-goil to me….a spy. Also, does any one recall what “ETHAN ROM” did for a living? Did he ever disclose what he did in Canada? Was he a ski instructor (like Libby’s ex-boyfriend who she discussed when she reset the guy’s broken leg)?

  23. 23
    Hinha
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 10:14 pm

    I just realised that Ethan Rom is an anagram of Other Man. Meaningless, right?

    Ruthiblu: You asked about season 1 and “is Goodwin really the guy who was in the hatch with Desmond?”. Well, we didn’t get to see who was in the hatch in season one. And in season 2, ep. 3, Desmond said that he was brought to the hatch by a man named Kelvin.

  24. 24
    twilliams
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 10:33 pm

    Where to begin? Sure this episode had a lot of rehash, but it gave us quite a bit of essential information and clues. The army knife that is 20 years old. The Others wear clothes with no labels although Ethan and Goodwin had on regular clothes. There was a list of nine specific people who were in THAT section of the plane that included what they were wearing. This episode gave us quite a bit. I think this episode’s opening was better than the pilot episode last season. One of the reasons for this is because we now KNOW that these people did fall from the sky. The plane wasn’t placed on the ground like it could have been with the survivors “waking up” in a daze like Jack last season. Nobody remembered the crash last season; but this episode actually showed us that at least part of a crash did occur.

    As for nobody remembering the actual crash, there is one person who said she remembered it — Kate. Does nodoby else believe she has a past connection to the island? I am convinced of this but nobody else says a word about it. She has included herself on every trek inland and on every expedition. She botched two of Sayid’s radio transmission attempts. She always wants to know what others have seen or where they are going or what the know or found out. She doesn’t like people going off alone. She is highly concerned with Jack’s safety and she also made sure Claire delivered her baby safely. AND — we first meet her walking BACK to the beach when Jack asks her to help stitch him up. Does nobody else suspect her of ANYTHING? She was described as “dangerous.” Maybe she really is.

    Libby never said her ex-boyfried was a ski instructor. She said she was flirting with some hottie ski instructor in Vermont (which is close to Ontario).

    And Laughing Crow – you are playing into the writers exactly how they want you to. Taking Goodwin’s usage of “good” to mean exactly that. “Good.” I took it as meaning that they weren’t “good” guinea pigs/test subjects. We have no idea what he meant by good, but I am not leaning towards your theory. I refuse to believe that all of those left are “bad people.” I highly doubt the caring and concerned Eko, Bernard and Libby are EVIL beings. Is there any word as vague as “good” that the writers could have used? I don’t think so.

    I don’t think these writers are the “best” anymore, though. Last week they created sympathy for my favorite character right before she died so you others would feel sorry for her. Now they are trying to do the same for Ana Lucia, who — I am sorry — is just a bitchy person and is NOT someone I would ever like.

    It looks like I have written enough so I will sign off now — I will wait for some more comments and then throw in a few more cents worth if I come up with more.

  25. 25
    geewits
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 10:37 pm

    I was sort of disappointed they were using the stock-in-trade daytime soap opera gimmick of pushing your buttons to make you suddenly feel for someone who has heretofore been a toatl bitch/asshole.

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    Vancouverite
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 10:40 pm

    you guys bitch too much. Seriously.

    This episode was awesome. Didn’t we want to know what happened to the tail-section people? I know I did. And now we know more about the Others. They’re crazy. I think they’re of the hippy generation. Think about it.

    There are so many Canadian references in the show. I bet a lot of the writers are Canadian.

    Let me profess that contrary to what is shown in the show, Canadians are not as weird and creepy as depicted. Character portrayals aside, I personally think the Nathan and Ethan actors were yummy. So… I guess the negativity of the Canadian weirdness is balanced by the positivity of wet-t-shirt Ethan, and dashing-good-looks Nathan. Evangeline Lilly is from Vancouver and went to UBC. Yay! She’s my hero.

    Some thoughts:

    Hey, Canada has polar bears. Maybe the Canucks sent away for some polar bears. I mean, come to think of it, Canada DOES have crazy holes in the ground and weird invisible smoke machine thingies trudging around. AND we have tropical islands and massive magnetic attraction. Hey wait a minute, it’s Canada isn’t it? I solved the mystery.

    Whatever happened to Danielle? When she said the rest of her team “died”, perhaps she meant more of an Annikin-turned-Darth-Vader death, rather than a physical death.

    Maybe the Dharma initiative never stopped. Maybe they’re the ones who are “controlling” the whole island as a massive psychological test of sorts.

    Just conjecture.

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    Lady J
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 10:54 pm

    Goodwin’s comments were all that were remotely worthwhile about this. And they were aggravatingly vague.

    “Ethan Rom” anagrammed to Other Man; “Goodwin” only anagrams to Good Win. Perhaps this moniker was also symbolic given his comment about good people.

    Goodwin suggested that they took the fitter men like Eko first because they were “competition.” For what?

    He said the kids were fine and in a better place. Is there maybe a third Dharma bunker on the island? Maybe the Button keeps the Others powered up for whatever they’re up to.

    Nathan wasn’t an Other (he clearly didn’t know Goodwin), but he may have been… another drug addict. Maybe he was hiding something for two hours, or visiting something he’d already hidden. Charlie was very particular about his heroin.

    Did the inhabitants of the separate bunkers know about each other?

    Why are the Others interested in taking “good” people? What’s the criteria for “good?” Good breeding stock, good slave labor, good converts to a cult…
    Why didn’t they try to take Ana? She was one of the last to wake up. The girl only jumped her to keep Ana from helping.

    And why do these people not post sentries? A few get kidnapped and they all go to sleep at night? WTF?!

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    EdHill
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 11:12 pm

    Great recap Kat. And thanks for the shout out. Always appreciated.

    But I am sorry, I have to vehemently disagree with you. This episode was IN-CRED-I-BLE. I loved it. I loved the whole concept of it. The opening moment of the quiet beach and the tail slamming home grabbed me by the throat, and it never let up.

    I admit at first I thought this would be a filler episode to pad out the season, but it was so much more than that. Last week when I was complaining that Michael and Sawyer never asked about the others, I now know why. They would show us what they know.

    And when Ana Lucia put the crack head guy from the show Ed in the hole thinking he was a mole I just smiled because I didn’t even THINK of that, and then remembered Ethan from last season. And when we found out it wasn’t even him, I was totally amazed. It was a great moment. And when Ana Lucia and him had that little chess game of a conversation, I loved it. OR how last week they said “remember Goodwin� and made it sound like he was someone they missed, so you were totally expecting him to be a sympathetic character but WHAM! He was one of the Others! Unlike you, I had no idea.

    And c’mon, we got a MAJOR clue about the mystery!!! The “Others� had a list of crash survivors!!!! The “good� ones?! This may mean that the plane crashed on purpose, and the degtroots are trying to build a “utopia� of chosen people.

    Oh man I think this was the best episode of the season.

    Its funny the entire weeklong speculation about Shannon’s death (was she shot? Did Ana Lucia do it?) was erased in a second. Oh well. We Losters tend to get paranoid.

    And yeah, Ana Lucia is still a bitch.

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    boondocksaint
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 11:27 pm

    Sayid has that look on his face that is a mixture of pure shock, hatred, and apprehension towards unleashing the Iraqi torture machine that lurks inside of him. Pure brilliance!

    I can’t wait for next week when he exact revenge on Ana. That is what will make this week’s episode worthwhile.

  30. 30
    boondocksaint
    Posted November 18, 2005 at 11:27 pm

    Sayid has that look on his face that is a mixture of pure shock, hatred, and apprehension towards unleashing the Iraqi torture machine that lurks inside of him. Pure brilliance!

    I can’t wait for next week when he exact revenge on Ana. That is what will make this week’s episode worthwhile.

  31. 31
    Diana
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 12:24 am

    Okay, so Ana Lucía is unlikable. In fact, if I were LOST on an island with her, I’d be fighting with her every two seconds. ‘Cuz I’m not one for intimidation and she’s not much of a team player.

    I think the problem with Ana Lucía is the same one with all of the women on the show: the writers don’t have a f***ing clue about how to write women. If they’re strong and powerful, than they’re bitches from hell. What about a happy middle ground? Where the women have strengths and weaknesses but they’re not all one-note. That’s why it was so easy to dispose of Shannon’s character…because she was so freaking superficial. And I don’t mean superficial in the way she behaved, I mean superficial in that there was no significant character development for her.

    I know some of you really liked this episode (including Ed Hill, who I seem to be madly in love with and want to marry after reading last week’s re-cap), but this series is going through a major sophomore slump. What a tragedy. And no one on the show or the network seem to be paying attention to the drop in ratings.

    Anyway, Ana Lucía is probably Kate’s lover. Okay, maybe not. But, as I’ve stated before in other postings, I am convinced that Ana Lucía was on that plane to spring Kate from custody.

    Good re-cap Kat. Too bad you didn’t enjoy the episode enough to be completely and unequivocally entertaining in the synopsis–as you and Ed Hill usually are. It’s not a criticism of the job you did, as I can understand your lack of inspiration.

    At this point, I’ve stopped caring for the show so much that other than watching it and logging into this blog, I don’t go all crazy on the internet looking for clues and information anymore. Why, oh why, did they have to take such a nose dive in quality?!

  32. 32
    Nony Mouse
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 5:47 am

    Bernard was belted to a seat… Rose was in the front of the plane… why was Bernard seated in the tail section? Didn’t Rose tell Jack that Bernard was in the restroom when the tail section broke off? How’d he end up in a seat?

    Otherwise, a good episode, but this part bothers me…

    Nony

  33. 33
    kate
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 6:48 am

    nony mouse, if you had gone to the bathroom and all of the suddon youre plane started going down, would you just stand there in the toilet, or grab a seat and buckle in?

  34. 34
    sydsmum
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 6:56 am

    Maybe things started getting dicey while Bernard was in the bathroom so he came out and belted himself into the closest seat. I loved the scene in the tree, but that has bugged me for a few days, too. The drama of it being Bernard in the tree seat made me miss the fact that Goodwin wasn’t wet!

  35. 35
    Gillian
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 6:59 am

    As for the wild chickens. They do exist. Chickens were domisticated from Jungle Fowl. So…I guess it is possible that there were some wild chickens hanging around on the island. Also it could be that “they” brought chickens to the island and that they were allowed to free range & multiply.

    I’m still as bothered by Ana as most of you are. Do you think the writers were really trying to conjure sympathy for her with her crying bit? It didn’t work for me.

    With Eko my thinking on him is that he must have lived a more violent existance in the past…maybe tribal where he had to fight to survive kind of thing. Him taking off his business suit and reverting to jungle attire symbolized him taking a step back in his personal evolution. I guess it could be just that he was covered in blood instead. But hey, whatever.

    Thanks for the recap. Great job.

  36. 36
    Elizabeth Buchanan
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 8:32 am

    Did anyone notice the bear that the little boy had – we have seen it in an earlier episode when they are hiding in the bushes and the others come by and we don’t see anything above their knees…

    Also, Jack was comforting Bernard’s wife, on the plane, because he was in the restroom. How did he come to be in a seat?

  37. 37
    TinkerbellAPixie TinkerbellAPixie
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 9:13 am

    Looking back… it was Goodwin who caught and killed the chicken and he did it so expertly. Is it possible the Others released that chicken for him to find so he could eat?

  38. 38
    Lisa
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 9:20 am

    I thought this episode was fricking awesome. I know some people won’t like every episode but give the Lost folk a break for f*cks sake. I swear.. they have one show people don’t like and all of a sudden the show MUST be going downhill… take a frickin chill pill and go eat a cookie.

  39. 39
    Pallia
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 9:33 am

    Seriously… worst recap EVER. If you wanna bitch in a recape.. either do it at the very beginning or the very end so I can just skip over your whiney ass rantings.
    I can understand about not liking a character, but when you bitch about them throughout the entire recap.. it’s annoying as hell.
    Anyway… I thought this episode was really great. I was disappointed with the “extended” shit since it did just show most of what we’ve already seen.

  40. 40
    jack
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 9:34 am

    the trouble with ana lucia can be summarized in two words:

    michelle rodriguez.

    she sucks. she has only two facial expressions–’smirk’ and ‘scowl’–and she is so humorless and insensitive and clumsy an actress that she’s just totally unsympathetic. i know she’s supposed to be a bitch, but sawyer’s an asshole, and he was still interesting and even a little likable, even before his hard-luck back-story was revealed, because the actor who plays him has some charisma. i’m convinced that another actress could make ana lucia less hateworthy and annoying. the only thing good about michelle rodriguez on ‘lost’ is that she makes evangeline lilly look slightly less amateurish.

    as for the episode, i can’t say it didn’t hold my attention, and, of course, there’s always the little tid-bit of information that may yet become head-slappingly relevant five episodes down the line to chew on, but really. after the 3-week lay-off, it’s not unreasonable for us to expect a little more from this show. sure, we picked up a few clarifying details, but, as Kat pointed out, everyone knew that Bernard was going to get out of that tree safe and sound, that Nathan was obviously a patsy, and that Goodwin (‘Goodwin’='good one’?) was the tailies’ Ethan. and i’m really getting sick of watching the same scenes twice.

    but the biggest problem is that, after the success of the 1st season, the writers are in a quandary, i.e. ‘how do we keep this thing going for five seasons so ‘lost’ can go into syndication and we can make the big bucks?’

    ‘lost,’ like, say, ‘twin peaks,’ is sort of hamstrung by the difficulty of making a recurring, episodic drama out of an essentially finite, cinematic premise. when you create situations with only one possible outcome–i.e., ‘when and how do they get off the island’ and ‘what’s the secret of the hatch’ and ‘who are the others’–there’s nowhere to go but to the end of the story. and there are only so many melodramatic flashback subplots and incremental major character deaths the audience will tolerate before we just want to know who the hell killed laura palmer.

  41. 41
    ava
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 10:44 am

    Michelle Rodriguez is totally overrated and CANNOT ACT! Poor casting choice. And they’re going to try and make us believe there’s going to be chemistry between her and JACK?! PULEEEZZZZZ…

  42. 42
    karen
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 10:57 am

    Ok I my Lost, I don’t usually go around researching theories, but I did come across this link, and I have to say its the best one I’ve sen yet!
    http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377

  43. 43
    Lubin Odana
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 11:55 am

    I thought this was the best episode of Lost yet, it was so different to anything that they’ve done up to now and even though we pretty much knew a lot of what happened to the tail-enders, it filled in a lot of gaps, while raising even more questions. I’m afraid I must be dumb because I didn’t see the twist with Goodwin and was totally surprised when he killed Nathan. I also loved the cat and mouse scene with Ana Lucia and Goodwin – all that passing of the knife back and forth. Very cleverly done.

    I’m in the minority here, but I’m starting to like Ana Lucia – she’s taken upon the leader role and with that comes a lot of stress and responsibility. It’s clear that those kids being taken away is eating her up, particularly because she saved the little girl’s life and promised she’d get her home. The scene where she started to cry was incredibly moving. Her goal is just to protect the people in her original group who were left – and it was Eco who stopped her going back to find Cindy.

    And I *like* that she’s a bitch. Bitches make good drama.

    Actually, the biggest bitch in the show is Saywer, who moans, whines and bitches constantly. But nobody complains about that. Funny that.

    If people don’t like a show, I wish they’d just not watch it. I wouldn’t waste any of my time on something I didn’t enjoy, so I can only surmise that such people enjoy complaining.

  44. 44
    TWilliams
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 12:27 pm

    I’m just curious here — do people read the recap and then scroll down to the bottom of the comments to make one?

    Seriously, asking questions that have been answered a few posts up is rather annoying and idiotic. I think if you respect the original post and its writers you should extend the same courtesy to those of us who read and type as well and DON’T just scroll to the bottom to get something off of our chests.

    Bernard was in the bathroom so how come he was strapped into a seat?!?!?! Honestly, has nobody ever flown before? Secondly, has nobody ever WATCHED SEASON ONE of Lost? Charlie locked himself into a front lavatory right before the first bump. He ran himself out of there and luckily found a seat far enough back that he didn’t end up in the nose section of the plane (that is my bigger question than Bernard — how did Charlie have enough time to get all the way back PAST Boone and Shannon whom we saw him walk in front of but didn’t see them again — they had to have been two of the survivors sitting closest to the second splitting of the plane). Please READ — everything.

  45. 45
    chick110
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 12:47 pm

    No one mentioned something that has bothered me since I saw this week’s show. Cindy was the flight attendent that helped Locke to his seat when they got on the plane. I was wondering if maybe that’s what she saw and why she disappeared–him walking through the jungle on one of his mysterious treks and went to find out how the heck he was walking. And maybe he doesn’t want anyone to know that he was the crippled guy that they pitied on the plane since he is now someone that is looked up to…

  46. 46
    OD-TV
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 2:04 pm

    I like the fact that Anna Lucia is a bitch. It makes me wonder about her backstory. Just a projection but I think the writers are going to give us more and more to like about her. Why would you want to know everything about a character right off the bat? It is much more interesting to hate a character and then find out that your first impression was wrong. I think they have been doing that with most of the characters. I feel much more invested in the show when my opinions of the characters grow when more about them is revealed little by little. Really smart writing to me. Loved the episode, love the recap!

  47. 47
    TWilliams
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 2:17 pm

    To Karen #42 — thanks for the link. I love theories and not spoilers so this is great.

    If you have read everyone’s questioning and theories after the original, you stumble upon many people saying Kate doesn’t fit the theory. Now scroll up to my earlier post #24. I question Kate and this fits in with the theory. Kate is working with/for them. She is keeping everyone in line and in check. Kate is, as Mars said, “dangerous.”

  48. 48
    Bobbie
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 5:36 pm

    I think Eko is a shaman; he says he will pray for a few specific things which implied to me that they were in addition to the thing he had already decided to pray for; then he goes into a 40-day silence. 40 days is a term of magic/authority/purging: 40 days of the great flood to cleanse the planet of the evil humankind had wrought, 40 days for Jesus in the desert on his vision quest. Eko was preparing himself for the what he senses is coming. he surely cannot define it, but he knows it will strain them all and in physically and psycologically and mythologically monstrous proportions. And I join those of you who loved this episode.

  49. 49
    Joe
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 5:46 pm

    I am sorry but I just don’t see the religious references that some of you do. I will be incredibly disappointed if Lost turns out to be a ‘Touched by an Angel’ or ‘Joan of Arcadia’ by using god/religion as a character. I just don’t buy into the rapture/save/redemption explanation for what the Others are doing and I cannot bail out on the possibility of reasonable and/or scientific (vs. religious) explanations for what is happening on the island. The Dharma Initiative appears to be a scientific experiment. I think the extent of the faith/science discussion is embodied in the Locke/Jack storyline insofar as their approaches to dealing with the unknown on the island. I think it would be a cop-out and a great disappointment if the writers take the easy route of ‘There are just some things that can’t be explained so god is the answer’.

  50. 50
    Bobbie
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 5:56 pm

    I personally don’t think there is anything particularly religious about this show, but I do think the writers are very aware of the degree to which ritual–in all of is guises–informs human behavior. And we witness that ritual behavior playing out in individuals as they attempt to make meaning from this bizarre circumstance and foreign environment in which they find themselves suddenly drop-kicked.

  51. 51
    Noonan
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 6:01 pm

    This may be way off base, but when the two kids said they were meeting their mother in Los Angeles for some reason I was reminded that Claire (at the direction of that crazy Psychic) was bringing her kid to LA to be taken by a family. Now, I know they were ALL going to LA, but for some reason this struck me.

    Perhaps the family in LA takes in all sorts of “special” kids (those who the Others would want) and the conspiracy of the Others extends both to that family as well as the Psychic. Just a thought, with absolutely zero evidence.

  52. 52
    plethLaura
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 7:01 pm

    interesting link, Karen

    Ana Lucia seems to have a military bkgd. Remember the “tang” talk. No one knows about knife tangs but chefs and military people.

    And what was the significance of Goodwin’s pronunciation of “da beach”. He said something about “da beach” and Ana Lucia says “da beach?” That’s where it seemed he knew she was onto him. Are the others rhastas?

    There’s no anagram for “Goodwin” other than “wood gin” and the obvious “good win” and maybe “i own dog” or “i own god”…eesh..who the hell knows if there is even meant to be one.

    I don’t think this episode was hideous or awesome. It’s fairly obvious we’re going to get more indications that the survivors were destined to crash there. I don’t think we’re ever going to get to see them leave this place. Even if it does continue for several seasons, I can’t imagine a satisfying conclusion that would include returning to the real world.

  53. 53
    ruthiblu
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 9:35 pm

    Maybe in the end when the rescue team finally arives to save them they’ll just find one last remaining character (probably Hurley) mutely standing facing the corner of a dirty underground room. (remember Blair Witch?) The camera drops to the dirt floor and you hear shuffling….

    Flash forward to years later when Hurley’s obviously been in a mental hospital a long span of time. He finally decides to talk about what happened (because the numbers determined somehow how long he had to be silent in order to avoid the curse) but no one believes him. Then his best friend (and executor of his fortune) comes to visit and believing some part of the story might be true, or at least wanting to prove to Hurley he’s delusional, he decides to check out that island and hires a large search team. After an exhaustive search they find nothing at all corroborating Hurley’s story.

    As soon as the boat leaves the camera cuts to Locke sitting expertly in a tree wearing an unidentified animal skin coat and an eye patch with the Dharma initiative logo on it. He is carving an apple with the pocket knife and smiling contently to himself as we fade to black. Insert creepy music here.

    Hey that’s not bad. Maybe *I* should get a job writing for TV. hehehe

  54. 54
    Diana
    Posted November 19, 2005 at 11:56 pm

    plethlaura: The return to the real world of the surviving LOSTERS (whoever is still alive by then) is actually the only satisfying conclusion to the series. Otherwise, there is no hope.

    ruthiblu: Don’t quit your day job! Just kidding. It’s good to imagine the “what ifs….”

    Over and out.

  55. 55
    plethLaura
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 1:09 am

    #54 Diana

    Beg to differ with you.

    Watching any of them leave and re-join civilization will take away the ONE dynamic this show has going for it. This isn’t their choice.
    I don’t care to watch them reunite with family and go through a Tom Hanks “Castaway” assimilation. The last thing this show needs is a tidy conclusion.

  56. 56
    Scott
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 4:37 am

    I am more convinced than ever that this show is about purgatory:

    1. The list
    a. Similar to the Book of Life in Heaven where those who are saved are listed along with what they did
    b. When talking about the list, Ana Lucia was told that only the good people were on it
    2. The kids
    a. Most people agree that there is a point in time of a young childs life when they are still considered an “innocent”. If they die before this, then they go to heaven
    3. 40 days
    a. It rained for 40 days and 40 night when Noah, his wife and kids, and the animals were in the ark
    b. When Jesus Christ started his ministry he spent 40 days/nights in the wilderness. During part of that time he was tempted by Satan.
    c. Ana Lucia waited 40 days to cry
    d. Mr. Eko waited 40 days to talk

  57. 57
    juicecake
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 5:47 am

    I knew something was up when we found out his name was Goodwin (i.e., Good One)

  58. 58
    HicksPub
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 6:17 am

    The amount of mental energy you guys devote to the show is astounding to me. Being the mouth-breather that I am, it exhausts me to decide whether to have beer or vodka with my Cheerios in the morning.

    Thanks everyone, for doing the mental heavy-lifting for me. I thoroughly enjoy reading all the theories swirling about.

  59. 59
    Joe
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 6:49 am

    To Scott #58: And the easter bunny will be making a special appearance during February sweeps.

  60. 60
    dumbanddumber
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 7:15 am

    I think that Ana-Lucia’s attitude is somewhat understandable, given the situation … she’s the one taking responsibility for keeping her group alive. I also thought that she looked hot in the first scene, right out of the water in the skimpy shirt.

    With the first set of kidnappings, Goodwin said that they tried to take the strongest. They did try to take Eko, but he fought them off … I think that’s why they didn’t try to get him again.

    Did anyone notice that Goodwin was there and ready to be a mole like, as soon as the crash hit? Does this mean that The Others knew that the crash was going to happen and were waiting? Or did they cause it? Or do they just sit around ready to go in case one happens?

    I thought that the flashback ending was lame. I wouldn’t have minded so much if ABC hadn’t advertised it as a “Special Extended Edition!”

  61. 61
    Bobbie
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 7:25 am

    Thank goodness they advertised it as extended–how else would we TiVoers have gotten it all/or Invasion afterwards if they hadn’t warned us?

  62. 62
    Warren
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 8:02 am

    One thing I noticed was that they tried to take Eko, which I would assume means he is (or was before he killed two of them) good. It also occurs to me that almost all of the survivors have been involved in death in some way or another and maybe that is why they are not good, pehaps every one of them has directly or indirectly killed someone and that is why they aren’t good.

  63. 63
    Scott
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 8:17 am

    Joe #59

    I am assuming that you were taking a shot at my post and just typed the wrong number in.

    I’m sorry to be a little confused about your statement, but would you please explain what you meant?

  64. 64
    Amber
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 8:28 am

    Hated this episode. I can’t stand Ana. Or maybe it’s the actress. Or both.

    Ana just annoys the ever-loving crap out of me.

    This is her acting style:

    Stare.
    Knit brow.
    Look belligerant.
    Pause.
    Pause.
    Pause.
    Knit brow again.
    Look pensive.
    Look pissed off for no reason.
    Speak, but don’t make any sense.
    Pause dramatically for no reason. Over and over and over again.

    Repeat.
    Repeat.
    Repeat.

    Honest to god, I want to TEAR MY HAIR OUT!

    Please make her go away. I stopped watching the show halfway through because of her.

    Well, that and the insipid writing.

    You know…I think I might be done with Lost. Really. The last 4 or 5 episodes have been a struggle to enjoy, not a pleasure anymore. This year just doesn’t *touch* last year at all.

  65. 65
    mac
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 9:16 am

    What I wanna know is who died and made Ana Lucia Queen of the Jungle. Doesn’t anyone have the balls to stand up to her. What Wimps!

  66. 66
    Genevieve
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 9:19 am

    Like your theories and thoughts Laughing Crow.

    And there could be some spiritual aspect to the answer of this whole thing. I don’t see what’s wrong with that Joe. How is that the easy answer? What, we’re only allowed to stick to science? I think that’s bs.

    This wasn’t one of my favorite shows. But I give them kudos for devoting an episode to the tailies. I’m still a devoted watcher.

  67. 67
    palmtree
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 10:04 am

    Okay I too did not enjoy this episode. I can’t stand Ana Lucia. I remember her telling Michael “you don’t know what they’re capable of, what they can do.” I thought okay, well then they really must have gone through some horrible things. Yeah right! Yes granted they went through some stuff but not nearly as much as our original crew and they are still a lot more happy go lucky than this woman. Also I think the Others went after them most because they were less organized. They just seemed to have no clue what to do next. They didn’t build shelter and they looked funny running after that chicken. They looked like easy pickins’. Didn’t Ethan say he was from Canada as well when Hurley was doing the census? That stuck out to me as well. I’m still a HUGE fan of this show, I think it’s the best thing on TV. I see how they need to introduce new characters but I don’t like it and have dubbed the new people The Intruders. I hope Ana gets the living snot beat out of her by Sayid. I can’t wait to see how Locke and Mr. Ecko get along. Two men of faith on one tiny island. hmmmm.

  68. 68
    loveLost
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 10:32 am

    For those who are interested in the whole Ethan Rom/Other Man anagram, go to oceanic-air.com. Click on the green find button. Once you see the seating chart, click the flashing letter “F” that will appear under where it says Economy Class.
    Then click the green Pre-Board Check-in.
    Now you can move the letters in Ethan’s name to the boxes and make it spell “other man.”
    The clip that comes up after is mightyyy interesting–perhaps Ethan is not dead after all??
    Once you have done this you can also click on various passengers seats for some more fun stuff.
    (I’m at work if I devoted as much time and effort into my job as I did into things like this, I’d be making a lot more money..)

  69. 69
    easydoesituniversity
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 11:20 am

    #9 good theory, one of the best in my opinion.

    …

    cindy being taken/disappearing still leaves the notion that nobody knows about locke’s mysterious ‘I can walk’ all of a sudden ability.

  70. 70
    John
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 12:31 pm

    Here’s an interesting site, be sure to check out all of the news clips….
    http://pb-sales.com/news.htm

  71. 71
    LostFan
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 1:07 pm

    Does anyone else think Ana L could be FBI or Iraqi Intelligence and knew Sayid before? I can’t remember how the promo went but something like “the most — reunion…” right? Maybe that doesn’t necessarily mean a reunion of the surviving passengers, but Sayid and Ana L’s reunion.

    She’s a tough chick but she’s had some training. Regular tough chicks don’t fight the way she did (with Goodwin.)

  72. 72
    Warren
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 2:58 pm

    John #70, that’s an interesting site though the site it leads you to is actually much more interesting. I think the show is still fun to watch and these little online clues add a bit of fun to it, though I don’t really have time to look for them myself I love it when people post them.

  73. 73
    SFLostfan!
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 3:43 pm

    Hey guys – i had to skip comments today becuase I can’t stand the bitching anymore about whether LOST has lost it’s edge or you think AnaLucia’s a bitch. ANNOYING!

    If someone said it once – stop repeating it. We get it and most of us don’t care.

  74. 74
    D1
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 3:45 pm

    Did anyone notice the car in the background during the Goodwin/ Ana scene before she kills him? Is that just a cutting room error or part of the story?

  75. 75
    Diana
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 6:07 pm

    SFLostfan! (#73), censorship?! How about you get a life and stop telling us what we can and cannot gripe about here. Who died and made you God? The whole point of this blog is for people to bitch and speculate about the show.

    PlethLaura (#55), who said anything about a happy reunion a la Tom Hanks in Castaway. I just think, I would love to see the series finale be the remaining LOSTERS looking out into the horizon, as a rescue boat heads their way. Fade to black.

    Or, okay, I’ll give you this much. A boat approaches, and the LOSTERS are hootin’ and hollerin’ that they’ve been rescued, and the last thing we see is a non-descriptive expression on their faces, as the boat reaches the beach. Fade to black, and we don’t know if they’re being rescued or if the boat is a bad omen and they’re all about to die. Leave it to the public’s imagination!

  76. 76
    Amber
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 6:09 pm

    SFLostFan, get over yourself.

    Kat, who wrote this review, asked SPECIFICALLY for other viewer’s thoughts on this episode, so who are you to say nobody can bitch about the show, especially after the WRITER OF THE PIECE JUST GAVE IT A NEGATIVE REVIEW?

    She asked for thoughts and I gave mine. I don’t give a rat’s ass if anyone else felt the same way I did or felt the opposite of what I did.

    I commented on what I felt about this and I’ll keep doing so.

    If you don’t like wading through negative comments, tough.

  77. 77
    ruthiblu
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 7:14 pm

    Does anyone know the username and password for this?

    http://thedharmainitiative.org/login.html

  78. 78
    SFLostFan!
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 9:42 pm

    Diana and Amber,

    God called and said it was cool for me to have an opinion, sorry to rile you two up. Diana said it best, people come to this blog to bitch, that is all I was doing…just like you guys….

    Look, I wasn’t trying to censor anyone. And I stopped reading the comments because it was becoming repetitive. So, yea it will be tough and I will deal but in doing so Amber, I looked back and saw what you wrote – I couldn’t stop laughing (your #64 post). That’s the kind of comments I come to this site for.

    Hope we can leave the drama to AnaLucia and Sayid.

    Peace out!

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    matt
    Posted November 21, 2005 at 11:26 pm

    if you’re reading this- congradulations because it is NOT at the top! lol

    three things:

    1) libby was skiing in stowe, vt (www.stowe.com) which is not close to ontario… it’s like 7hrs+

    2) where is desmond?

    3) where the hell is that polar-bear thing? and the black dust?

    just some more things to consider…

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    Lisa
    Posted November 22, 2005 at 12:15 am

    Hmmm yeah.. where is that black dust “monster”?
    It hasn’t made an appearance in quite a while.
    And also… yeah. where the heck is Desmond?
    Think he got whacked by the Others? Or did he find himself another bunker?
    Where the heck did he actually think he was going to get to when he ran away anyway?

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    Hater
    Posted November 22, 2005 at 9:55 am

    All of these purgatory/supernatural/collective consciousness/etc. theories are interesting,

    BUT

    Haven’t the writers specifically stated on numerous occasions that everything on Lost can/will be explained logically and scientifically? It seems to me that the electromagnetism angle is the only theory that can be reconciled with the comments of the writers.

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    Leah3t
    Posted November 22, 2005 at 12:02 pm

    I enjoyed the episode- though last night I deicded to watch some of the seaon one dvd extras and realized how much I missed our friends from the middle of the plane. though bernard provides some good acting, none of them make me smile like Hurley or drool like Sayer/Jin/Jack/Sayid.
    I did have some misgivings about Bernard, just becuase i was surprised to see him straped in a seat and that it seemed to take him a second to remember his name. But I think that’s explained away that he strapped himself back in and then he also was just in a high stress moment. Still I want to toy with the idea a bit more.
    These others are kind of easily killed though, Ana Lucia kind of punched one and she was dead. Far cry from Ethan’s ass kicking of Jack and Charlie.
    My theory is there are the evil people on this island- Ethan and Goodwin and maybe more, and then the others are a different separate group. They are afraid of the flight 815 people and think they are like the Ethan and goodwin and Walt kidnapper types. I think the whole show may come down to the 815 and the others being afriad of each other when they shouldn’t.
    also note- two brother sister duoes are now kidnapped or dead. NOt a good place for families, this island.

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    jack's psychologist
    Posted November 22, 2005 at 12:23 pm

    Leah, like your theory. If you check out the site mentioned about in #42 by Karen, it talks about two groups of Others as well. And thanks, Karen, for that site – definitely the best theory I have read yet!

    I think that Ana Lucia is related somehow to Kate. Maybe she was a cop involved in Kate’s arrest and/or Kate hurt/killed somebody that Ana Lucia loved. I think when there is talk about reunion next week, they are talking about when Ana Lucia and Kate see each other. Just a theory.

  84. 84
    Leah3t
    Posted November 22, 2005 at 12:49 pm

    jack’s psychologist – wouldn’t it be something if ana lucia is the wife of the childhood sweetheart kate got killed? when asked if she had kids, ana lucia got all bitter. only snag in that is i remeber when kate went to see him she was looking at some pictures, can’t recall if we saw the picture of childhood sweethear’ts wife.
    i wonder if whoever called ana lucia when she was flirting with jack is a clue.

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    Schadenfreude
    Posted November 22, 2005 at 1:38 pm

    It seems like there are at least five groups on the island: Oceanic 815 Classic, New Oceanic 815, the Others, Rousseau (group of one), and Desmond (see ‘Rousseau’). Rival groups of Others? It had crossed my mind.

    By the way, during the first few moments of this episode, I was thinking it was one of those Corona beer commercials, where they bring the camera down behind, for instance, vacationeers at a cabana. That would have been pretty sweet, actually: Rom and Goodwin kicking back on the beach with a couple of frosty ones, then the plane crash, and a ‘Showtime!’ take and little toast…

  86. 86
    BSideLover
    Posted November 22, 2005 at 2:37 pm

    No offense, Kat, but I think I’m an EdHill kind of gal – you skipped over some pretty key stuff, like Goodwin and Ana’s conversation about being “good,” etc. You’re good and snarky but EdHill manages to make fun of the show WHILE admitting it’s cool and giving us all the info.

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    mck
    Posted November 22, 2005 at 8:11 pm

    #77 The password is Copenhagen. I found it on oceanicflight815.com.

  88. 88
    ruthiblu
    Posted November 22, 2005 at 11:08 pm

    mck – Thanks! Does everyone but me know the username? I tried “theislandiswaiting” but that didn’t work.

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    Inhouse
    Posted November 24, 2005 at 11:14 am

    November 24th-

    During the joyous reunion on the beach where the milling throng gathers around Bernard and the Missus, I am certain I saw Jack Johnson on the beach (he is from Hawaii…) Any confirmation?

  90. 90
    Casee815
    Posted November 25, 2005 at 6:23 pm

    umm actually, Ana Lucia is not a bitch…i love her so much and she is my fave character after Sayid. I think she is completely admirable becuase she is so brave and does not seem to be afraid of anything. Also yes she is bossy but she feels responsible for the other tail end people and she feels that she need to keep them alive b/c she has from the start. Also she klled Shannon but it was an easy mistake, i mean you would be cautious in the jungle too after all those people were taken. And finall i know people hate the character b/c heard Bonne’s transmission and told everone it was the others, btu it was reasonable for her to assume that b/c she thought that the others were watching them and could seen everything they were doing, when really it was that other guy who was a spy. Any i also think the Michelle Rodriguez is such a good actress and i know she is stereotyped but thats just b/c she is good at playing the tough bad a$$ one. I Love Her

  91. 91
    mike
    Posted November 26, 2005 at 12:25 am

    michelle rodriguez….good actress??? did think i’d live to see that in the same sentence. anyone seen SWAT?

  92. 92
    ruthiblu
    Posted November 27, 2005 at 2:30 pm

    Where’s this weeks Lost recap? Has it ever taken this long before? In three days we’ll be into a new episode again. WTF?

  93. 93
    sg-dub
    Posted November 27, 2005 at 3:54 pm

    Where’s this weeks Lost recap? Has it ever taken this long before? In three days we’ll be into a new episode again. WTF?

    If you have to ask “WTF” during a holiday week of a writer on a BLOG, I must ask YOU, WTF?

    Love and peace to you all!

  94. 94
    ruthiblu
    Posted November 27, 2005 at 5:30 pm

    I meant that in a playful way but still…

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    shankbone
    Posted November 28, 2005 at 7:12 am

    http://www.oceanic-air.com I found this site before season two started. Make sure to go to the seating chart. Its really fun.

    Also Michelle Rodriguez sucks, I can’t believe with the buget this show has and the great casting to this point the producers would make such an error.

  96. 96
    palmtree
    Posted November 28, 2005 at 7:18 am

    Okay it’s now Monday and a recap for Deseparte Housewives is already up. WHERE’S LOST???? If it comes up soon I’ll just repost but I need to vent. WHAT IN THE HELL IS WRONG WITH ANA-LUCIA. I really can’t stand her now after committing cold blooded murder like that. And did you see how quickly she turned her gun on those she’s “supposed to protect” Bernard and Libby were like what just happened?? Next weeks, sorry this weeks show looks good, wonder who Sawyer loves.
    I saw SWAT as well and didn’t care for her much there or Fast and Furious. She annoys me.

  97. 97
    palmtree
    Posted November 28, 2005 at 7:30 am

    Okay never mind, (sigh of relief). that Deseparte Housewives recap looks like it was from last Sundays. I feel better now.

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    Rosie Powell
    Posted November 28, 2005 at 11:30 am

    Boy, I didn’t realize that the Ana-Lucia character was hated so much, and by extension, Michelle Rodriguez. Would it have helped if she was white?

  99. 99
    Diana
    Posted November 28, 2005 at 11:55 am

    Rosie Powell:

    I wouldn’t play the race card here. That’s not a fair assessment. Jin and Sun have been popular. By contrast, Kate has also been villified.

    I think people are venting fairly based on the fact that Michelle Rodriguez has one range of acting: pissed off bitch from hell. There’s no subtlety in her acting. Someone should explain to her that all acting is not appearing fiercely intense and gritting her teeth. Honestly, she sucks. And she would suck if she were white, black, or yellow with purple polka dots!

    This is a fun show to watch, but let’s not forget that behind the scenes are mere mortals and they do tend to screw up from time to time. See Alias, which has now been cancelled and will not be back for a 6th season. The show is in a sophomore slump.

  100. 100
    calimojo
    Posted November 30, 2005 at 2:18 pm

    #70, I looked at the PB-Sales site (they did a lot of work for this show). If you look at the “about us” section it shows the ‘companies’ that make up PB-sales. Then do a search on those companies(creepy): http://www.yoyodynepropulsionsystems.com/ , http://www.merrickbiotech.com/ , http://www.geocomtex.net/products.shtml they are all pretty creepy. Especially in association with this show. In the news section they mention that the plane broke apart in the news article…

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