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Sunday, May 7, 2006
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Where do I begin? After another long Lost hiatus filled with repeats and filler “recap” episodes, we finally get to a new episode this week. I was hoping that since it’s now May sweeps we would get an action-packed episode where a lot happens, instead of another slow-moving Hurley relationship episode. Well, at first my fears were realized. Not only was it a slow-moving episode but also an Ana Lucia-based one as well—and as I’m sure some of you are aware, the only thing I like about Ana Lucia is her fantastic orthodontic work.
But there were two things about this episode that really made it rise above. The first is that this was the first day of the official Lost webgame, with a fake Hanso Foundation commercial during the episode giving out our first clues to start us über-nerds on our summer-long hunt. And the second was the most shocking final five minutes of any Lost episode I’ve ever seen. But before we get to the recap let’s go see what’s brewing on the net. And this week is by far the best. Sure we have some little things like Michelle Rodriguez opting for five days in jail instead of community service. I guess she’s one of those character actors who never breaks her character. But we all know the real story is the Lost webgame.
For those of you who are new, let me give you a little context. Part of Lost’s appeal, and marketing strategy, was to have the show’s mystery bleed over onto the internet. In the past year we’ve seen the official online Lost forums, weekly podcasts with the creators of the show, and most fun of all, a bunch of fake websites for both Oceanic Airlines and the Hanso Foundation, that with some trial and error would reveal little hints about the show. I have dutifully tried to pass on any interesting things and websites that I hear at the start of my Lost recaps just to let my fellow Lost geeks aware of what’s going on.
This week our nerd prayers have been answered. We threw the dice and it came up lucky sevens! Or for a better analogy for us Lost geeks, we rolled our 20-sided die and got a +6 saving throw with 22 hit points! This week marks the unveiling of the official Lost webgame—an online mystery that will span not only the internet but the show as well. It will go on all summer long and act as a bridge between seasons two and three and offer some clues and revelations about the Lost storyline.
I will try to keep everyone updated weekly as to the progress of the online game, But I will also do my best not to spoil anything for those who are joining in the fun. And I also ask that those commenters out there who want to talk about it keep that in mind. Hints are great and dialogue welcome, but let’s try to keep this whole thing as spoiler-free as we can. And for those of you who are gonna bitch about me giving away the big reveal at the header of the recap; it’s Sunday people. If you haven’t seen the episode by now, then I can’t help you.
So, how was the game officially kicked off this week? In probably the coolest marketing ploy I’ve seen in a while, during this week’s episode there was a fake commercial for the Hanso foundation. It was brief commercial about the Hanso Foundation and its accomplishments. It ended by telling you if you want more information to call 1-877-HANSORG.
In conjunction with that is the Hanso foundation website, located here, which was relaunched with a whole new flash interface and will no doubt be full of all sorts of hidden clues. When you first get there you are greeted with a short flash introduction and then brought to the home page. The home page is chock full of stuff to look at, including the commercial itself. To “start the game” as it were, just try and sign up for the newsletter….
Well, enough of that for now, lets get to the recap.
The show opens up exactly where we left off last week with Michael coming out of the woods where Jack and Kate were waiting to do a trade for Henry. Michael looks a little worse for wear, with his hair unkempt and covered in dirt. Plus I’m assuming that his voice is gone since he does is wander the woods screaming “Waaalllt!” like a moron. Jack throws him over his shoulder and they start to carry him back to camp.
In the hatch Ana Lucia is cutting up some mangos. I can only assume they have offended her in some way—because if you offend her, she kills you. From here we cut tot the flashback, and this week it’s our favorite spicy Latina. She is coming into work at the LAPD when her mother, the captain, stops her and asks her what she was doing last night. She says she was just watching some TV. Ana Lucia never misses the Gilmore. Her mom takes her to the morgue to show her the dead body of Ana Lucia’s rapist, who was found dead in an alleyway near the gun that killed him. The gun of course had no prints and the serial number filed off. Maybe they should put the serial number all over the new guns so they can never get rid of all of em. I’m just sayin. Ana Lucia’s mom knows that she did it, and then tells her that she wants to help. Gotta love the LAPD. Ana Lucia refuses and then quits the force. L.A. is on its own now.
In the hatch Ana Lucia is playing nice with Henry, who is on a hunger strike. She brings him some mangos. Has anyone else noticed that ever since the Henry has been captured, and its been about a week in Lost time, no one has simply asked him who the others are, how did they get here, how do they have a boat, etc. I mean, you’d think that would be something you would want to know right? But no, no one seems that interested. Or at least they are but they just don’t ask the questions. I mean we do have a few more seasons of episodes to get through. We can’t blow our load all in one shot. But I’m ranting.
When Ana Lucia asks him why he is so quiet, he start whispering something. Anan Lucia comes in close to listen and Henry pounces on her. As he chokes her Henry says, “You killed two of us. Good people who were leaving you alone.” Huh? Excuse me? I only remember her killing Goodwin and he wasn’t “leaving them alone”. He was a mole who infiltrated their camp and when Ana confronted him, he attacked her. And how does Henry even know that? Before he can finish the job Locke knocks him out with his crutch.
Back in the flashback we see Ana Lucia at her new job working at airport security checking bags. Our nation’s response to 9/11 is to hire unstable murderers to screen for terrorists. I heard she was also considered to head FEMA, but they found her a little too overqualified. After a long eight=hour shift of scowling she goes off to the bar for a drink. And whom does she run into but Jack’s father, the former Dr. Christian Shephard, who is about to disappear on his Australian bender. After filling Ana Lucia in on his plight (the bullet points: He’s a drunk. Lost his license. Planning on drinking away his life in Sydney.) He asks her if she wants to join him. Shephard says he is doing something “dangerous” down in Sydney and needs protection. When Ana Lucia asks what his name is, he says they shouldn’t use names. This is probably more of a cheap writing trick so that Ana doesn’t figure out who he is. Ah well.
Back in the hatch, Locke confronts Henry about the attack. He wants to know why he tried to kill Ana Lucia but didn’t lay a hand on Locke when he had the chance. Henry says that its because Locke is “one of the good ones.” But it doesn’t matter anymore, Henry says: when Jack comes back without Walt he will have lost his value and they will kill him. Or his people will find out that he was captured and kill him. When Locke asks why his own people would try to kill him, Henry says “Because the man in charge. He’s a great man John. A brilliant man. But he is not a forgiving man. He’ll kill me because I failed John. I failed my mission.” Locke asks what mission. Henry says his mission was to come her to find Locke. Yeah right. Before Henry can continue to spill his VICOUS LIES!!!, ahem, he is interrupted by Jack, Kate, and Michael.
In the jungle Ana Lucia goes to Sawyer and asks him for a gun. Sawyer, after a few of his patented smarmy insults, refuses. He even tells her to “scram” and to “git”. Then he exclaims that he reckons there’s no way in tarnation he would give her a gun. Then he spits some chaw into his spittoon, adjusts his overalls, and jumps feet first into the General Lee to race to the town hall to make sure the mortgage payment gets their on time so Boss Hog doesn’t foreclose.
Meanwhile, back at the Boar’s Nest.. Oh wait, I mean, back in the flashback we see Ana Lucia in her hotel room in the middle of the night. We also get to see her in her underwear and find out that she has the body of a 14 year old boy. Gross. She is interrupted by Jack’s father who knocks on her door. It’s time, he says. He needs his “protection.” Ana Lucia then drives him to a small house where he gets out and starts banging on the door. He tells the woman who answers that he demands to see his daughter. The woman, a blonde, refuses. Gee, so Jack’s father has an Australian daughter with blonde hair. I wonder who she could be…
On the beach, Hurley is asking Sayid, the torturing Iraqi soldier, for romance advice. Sayid tells him to take Libby to a nice secluded beach a few kilometers from here. Sayid is all about the metric system.
In the hatch Jack is trying to wake up Michael. Locke mentions that the trade must have worked, since now they have Michael back. Jack doesn’t agree. He thinks that they wouldn’t give him back without getting Henry first. Then Locke says that it’s pronounced “to-mah-to” and Jack disagrees telling him that the correct pronunciation is clearly “to-ma-to”. Jack says it tastes great. Locke insists that it’s less filling.
In the jungle, Foghorn Leghorn, or Sawyer as he’s known to his friends, is walking along until he hears someone. It’s Ana Lucia following him to find his gun stash. When he again refuses she starts a fight with him. A fight that then quickly devolves into dirty jungle sex. And wouldn’t you know it, throughout the entire screw, they both keep their grimaces intact. After they’ve done the deed, Ana Lucia then tells him that if he says anything to anybody, she’ll kill him. And here I am thinking that I’m the only one who ends his dates that way. So if Ana Lucia is impregnated by Sawyer, would that be like the new Hitler?
In the flashback Ana is driving Jack’s father around the next day asking him about the woman from last night. He says it’s a long story. When Ana Lucia asks him why he’s here, he goes through a song and dance about how he can’t apologize to his son. He is wallowing in his own guilt. He came here for the same reason that Ana Lucia did. He was running away. When he spots a bar outside the car he asks Ana Lucia if she wants to come inside and get wasted with him, a smelly old drunk. Amazingly, Ana Lucia resists the urge, and he goes in alone. And we also get one of those obligatory random encounters with other Losties as Sawyer bumps up against the car door as it opens.
Back in the hatch, Ana Lucia comes in to check on how the trade went. When Jack asks her what happened to her head, Locke lies and says that she fell in the bathroom. Ana Lucia goes along with the ruse. When they hear Michael wake up they go to see how he is. “I found them.” He says. He hiked north and ran across one of the Others. When Locke asks him what the Other looked like, Michael says it looked dirty and had rags on. Then we immediately cut to a suspicious look on Kate’s face. She knows that the whole dirty rags thing is a ruse that they invented. Michael then talks about how he followed the Other back to its camp. They live in canvas tents, teepees, and sit there guarding over a hatch. He didn’t see any kids or Walt but thinks they are all in the hatch. Most of them are old, and half of them are women he says. And they have only two guns.
Later, as Michael and Locke are talking things over, Jack apologies to Locke about Henry, saying he was wrong and Locke was right. Now that they’re all huggy with each other they both agree that the best course of action is to go to the Others’ camp now and take them. But in order to do that they need some guns. They go to the beach and demand that Sawyer give them the guns. Sawyer of course refuses, in his oh-so-oily way, so Jack goes to plan B. He pulls a gun on Sawyer and demands that he hand them over. When Sawyer goes for his own gun he realizes it’s not there—Ana Lucia took it. And even though Sawyer keeps it tucked in the back of his pants, he had no idea it was gone until this very second. I think Lost just hired one of the writers from Desperate Housewives.
Now that they realize Ana Lucia has a gun, Locke says that he has to tell Jack something. From here we cut right to the hatch. Ana Lucia goes to the armory and gives Henry a knife and tells him to cut himself loose. When he asks why she just says “You know why.” As he’s cutting the ropes, Henry talks about how he kept telling the Others that Ana Lucia was misunderstood. And that “He felt that you would be worthy. That he could change you.” He starts talking about Goodwin, which makes me wonder—when did Henry and Goodwin get a chance to talk to each other about Ana Lucia? Goodwin was with them from the time the plane went down up until his death. So the only time they could have talked about her was before the plane crash, which means they knew who was going to be on board and had them put here on purpose. At least that’s my theory. I’m chock-full o theories.
After the commercial break we see Jack in the flashback pleading with the woman at the airport ticket counter about how he needs to get his father’s body on the plane. We see Ana Lucia behind him, and she calls her mother. She tearfully tells her that she made a mistake and she wants to come home. She tells her she is on Oceanic flight 815 and that she will be home soon. Hmmm. I get the sense that the entire Ana Lucia storyline is being wrapped up. I wonder what that could mean…
And now to the last five minutes I was talking about before. We cut right back to the hatch where Ana is sitting in the couch with her gun. When Michael awakes, he asks Ana Lucia where Jack went. She says that they have one of them, an Other, locked up in the armory. She was going to kill him because he tried to kill her. But she now realizes that she can’t. “I can’t do this anymore”. Awww, Ana Lucia has had her epiphany. Now if she were referring to something like, giving up smoking or something, I would be very proud of her right now. But since she’s referring to how she’s finally gotten to the point where she doesn’t want to kill people in cold blood for looking at her funny, my sympathy is limited. You see, learning not to kill someone in cold blood is something I learned at, you know, birth. Because I’m not an amoral sleaze. Sure I experimented with murder in college but who doesn’t?
When Michael hears what Ana says, he asks her to give him the gun, because if she can’t kill Henry, he will. The Others are animals, he says. Ana Lucia reluctantly agrees and hands over the gun to Michael and tells him the combination to the safe. So when she said that she “can’t do this anymore” I guess she was referring to pulling the trigger. Because now she’s instead just giving the gun to someone else knowing that he will kill Henry. How this makes Ana Lucia any different from what she was a few minutes ago I don’t know. Michael slowly stands up and then says “I’m sorry” to Ana Lucia.
“Sorry for what?” she responds. Then Michael raises the gun and shoots her in the chest. BAM! Didn’t see that coming did you? Bitch is DOWN! And she goes out nice and quick too, no gasping last-second speeches that you see in the movies. She just dies. A few seconds after Michael shoots her in the chest, Libby walks in on them holding a blanket in her hand (for her and Hurley’s picnic) and says “Michael?!”. Michael is so surprised by this that he turns around immediately and BAM! shoots Libby twice in the stomach. She goes down. Holy Christ what a body count. I LOVE sweeps!
Oh but were not done dear reader. Michael, after seeing the carnage before him slowly walks to the armory. He unlocks the door and opens it. Henry is sitting there looking unfazed. He stands up and looks at Michael. Does he know him? Was Michael coerced into doing this by the Others and Henry? Was he converted to an Other and decided to kill Ana Lucia when she gave him the gun, thus proving that she was no longer “worthy”? Well we don’t get to find out because before either of them says anything, Michael points the gun at his shoulder and BAM! shoots himself! Fade to black.
This show rules.
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I didn’t read it yet, but that is a great title for this post.
Great recap, but there is something called “proof-reading” before you post.
The game is actually kinda fun. The website freaked me out when I went to sign up… and then I called the phone number… OMG someone is knocking at the door…
EdHill,
Unbelievable episode- great recap. Best line: “they have hired a writer from DH” HAHA..*I* don’t care if you don’t proof read, that was a gem.
Ana Lucia killed a “female” other – when they come to abduct the tailies and then Goodwin…that makes 2..OMG! they can’t kill off Hurley’s girl- we don’t know why she was in the same Mental Instit.
Oh, btw I tried the ph.#- it was busy.. did anybody get it? wht did it say? can somebody link me to a forum that discusses it?
TTOW..
If both characters that were shot are dead, I get this feeling that it has less to do with the story and more to do with production reasons.
-How exactly does one “play” the game?
-Did that dude Ana Lucia killed rape her? I thought he just shot her and left her to die.
greatest headline ive seen in awhile
“if you offend her, she kills you.” hah so true.
(#5) You’re right, the guy just shot her and made her lose her baby; he didn’t rape her.
Also, at the end when Michael shoots himself, he’s just giving himself a superficial wound, probably in the shoulder or something.
I think that Libby may not be dead for two reason:
1) Her story with Hurley and the mental hospital is far from wrapped up, and
2) In the preview where they show Hurley saying he’s glad Michael’s okay, he doesn’t seem very upset. You would think he would be sad if Libby was dead. However, if Libby’s alive then she’d totally discredit Michael’s story. I’m not sure!
When I read the title, I instantly thought of Survivor All-Stars.
That makes me feel ashamed.
I watched the last five minutes and I gasped for an hour. I couldn’t even fall asleep, I was so shocked.
Yeah, so was that definitely Claire whose house Jack’s father stopped by? It was dark so I couldn’t tell, but she sure as shit had the whiny Australian voice.
“When Ana Lucia asks what his name is, he says they shouldn’t use names. This is probably more of a cheap writing trick so that Ana doesn’t figure out who he is. Ah well.” Pay more attention. Her fake name is Sarah, Jack’s wife’s name, and her fake name is Tom, the name of Kate’s dead doctor friend.
michael must have been threatened by the others. they probably threatened that in order to see walt, he’s have to set henry free.
michael is also lying about the camp numbers of the others. he may or may not know that they are in costume. still, i think he’s leading the losties into a trap by suggesting that they wage war against the others…
i agree with Firecat (#5)…knowing about the legal troubles of those 2 females, kind of takes the shock and surprise of their killing.
It clearly was not Claire that Jacks dad was talking to and Ana lucia wasn’t raped. She was shot and lost her baby and boyfriend. Saywer didn’t run into the car, Jacks dad opened the door into him. Its like if Jacks dad touched you, youre toast! Edhill, I love you but this post sucked.
^ He didn’t say that the woman who answered the door was Claire. But rather Jack’s father demanded to see his daughter from the woman who answered the door. Since she was blonde and Australian, he made the connection that it [i]could[/i] be Claire.
I honestly couldn’t hear what Jack was saying to the woman.
Could someone tell me where I find the password needed to sign up for the newsletter on the Hanso website? I called the phone number but couldn’t find it.
Michael is SOOOO setting them up for a trap.
I think he’s leading all of the strong people there with all the guns so the Others can swoop in on the people remaining at camp and at the hatch to either take them or to just plain take over their camp/hatch.
I’m not sure if Mike is an Other now, or if he’s just doing it to try to get Walt back.
I think if AL hadn’t have given him the gun or volunteered the lock combo, maybe he wouldn’t have killed her. Sorta proving that she did change or something.
I dunno, but damnit I can’t wait to find out!
the hanso foundation website is fucked up and scary. you can find the password to the newsletter if you dig through the comments on here: http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/6613132.html (sorry, i don’t visit any of the actual lost forums).
also, i know i’m in the minority here but i’m sad to see m.rod go. from what i know though, the guy she killed didn’t rape her, only shot her in cold blood when she was preg. and even though all the signs say otherwise, libby can’t be dead just yet because we don’t know crap about her. right?? right???? i mean, the mental institution. what’s that about?
anyway, i agree on all other accounts. michael’s leading them all into a trap so he could get walt back. and some connection between claire and jack has to be brewing.
eellsinoc, you were right the first time.
Keep looking.
Nice recap- what a concluding five minutes. I literally jumped out of my chair. I’m intruiged by this skywalker story that appears to be developing- Jack and Claire siblings? I’m racking my brain to think of who else it could be.
Why do people keep assuming the girls’ characters were shot because of their DUI troubles? Did it ever occur to anyone that these chicks went out and got drunk AFTER they got the script for this episode? Or at their cast farewell dinner?
The last five minutes had me staring at the t.v. for a long while. #7 I was thinking the same thing. Good recap Ed.
I was surprisingly sad to see Ana Lucia go as well. She was so irritating for such a long time (actingwise and characterwise), but I thought she was just starting to get interesting and more likable over the past few episodes. And Libby better not be gone either. For what it’s worth, the producers have insisted that the DUIs had nothing to do with this plot twist.
Who says the daughter Jack’s father went to see has to be on the island? Maybe Jack’s father never even met this daughter; maybe he has no idea who she is. And maybe he doesn’t know she grew up in America (like Claire’s baby was supposed to?) and maybe his daughter was Jack’s wife, Sarah?!?!? Ewww. I just grossed myself out.
Libby isnt dead. they dont show her in the previews for next week, her storyline has too many unanswered questions, and she was suspicously holding a big blanket over where she was shot.
I bet they’ll make it so she was holding something underneath that stopped the bullet, so shes just wounded.
I read on Lostpedia, an interview that was conducted weeks ago but only posted right after this episode, with one of the shows writers stating that the DUI had nothing to do with them being killed off. Michelle stated before signing her contract that she only wanted do one season of the show despite the writers wanting to continue her character into season 3 as a leader and possible love interest for Jack. He claimed that Michelle’s a nomadic spirit that doesn’t like to be tied down too long to any one project(moronic spirit in my opinion). The writers knew that people were going to assume that the DUI was the reason that they were killed off and they were contemplating changing the storyline, but it was already set in stone and too good to change. He also mentions that these storylines are planned out weeks in advance, so it’s kind of tough to change things last minute. We also know that Cynthia Watros had to be killed off, since she is now signed on to another show, although he barely mentions her in the interview. Overall best five minutes of a Lost episode ever. Also only go to Lostpedia if you don’t care about spioling certain aspects of the show for youself.
^ That’s why I was expecting something to happen too Libby. I’ve also read things before about Michelle Rodriguez having an attitude and not showing up etc….and that’s probably part of why her demise should have been expected.
Those are the reasons why I think the story line had less to do with it all than production reasons.
I hate when shows have nothing happen until the last two minutes of the show, and then end it with a bang. Ugh.
I got the distinct impression that Henry was referring to Jack’s father in her flashback. Maybe he works for Dharma now?
As for whether Libby dies, someone in the preview uses a singular pronoun to describe who died. Libby’s probably going to hang on awhile so they can finish her backstory.
Meh. Good recap, okay episode but there are things that are really starting to make me frustruated with this show:
Locke started out really awesome- & now is always gulliable. Arrrg!
Michael and Sawyer were friends- instead of marching down to the beach and demanding guns why didn’t they just say ‘hey sawyer michaels back and we’re going other hunting’ of course yosemite sam would have given up the stash.
Locke was all excited to show people the hanso movie- why isn’t he telling anyone about the map?
and I agree with m_ruv, AL was becoming slowly less obnoxious.
geewits- actually that would be pretty funny if m.r. found out she was getting killed on the show, got drunk and arrested. don’t know why, it just made me chuckle when I read that.
jampony- that is totally gross BUT would kind of tie in with why jack’s dad wanted to call ana luica sarah. that would be really something.
I like how the title of the recap ties in with the whole Henry Gale/Wizard of Oz thing. Maybe Libby getting shot is part of the setup-she is a mole & she had to get “shot” to keep her cover. Maybe.
LOST is finally getting better. EdHill writes great recaps a lot better than some so don’t kvetch. Did anybody read the title of the episode? It’s called “Two for the Road” I believe the writers were totally making fun of the fact that MR and Blondie Locks got DUIs. LOST obviously appeals to a lot of people and I don’t think ABC wants the bad press so their gonna spin the stories…but the writers can poke their fun at it and see if anybody catches on.
As for what I said earlier, I’ve been thinking that Libby wouldn’t necessarily wreck Michael’s story if she doesn’t die. He could say that he got the gun away from Henry or something and shot her by accident, AL style. It’s not like she saw him shoot anyone else, right?
Also, I thought that the woman that Jack’s dad went to see looked pretty young to be Claire’s mom, although I think with the same hair and all that’s how it’s going to end up. Or maybe his daughter’s stepdad is the guy that Sawyer killed. Or related to Rose’s healer. Ha, could be anyone, but probably Claire…
What’s getting on my nerves is the utter lack of curiosity on the part of the Lostaways (great shoutout by Bernard in SOS and the fact that no one EVER discusses what they have seen.
Great episode and great recap! LOVED the twist at the end. Can’t wait to see this week!
i read that the ana lucia character’s death was already planned when m.rod signed on for the show. also, it makes sense why she wouldn’t want to stick around hawaii doing community service if she’s not on the show anymore.
http://starbulletin.com/2006/04/26/news/story01.html
Great episode! One thing though, I totally didn’t trust Michael from the moment they found him, and saw the ‘twist’ at the end a mile away (well, the whole shooting Ana Lucia part, not the shooting Libby and then his shoulder(?) part). We need more death and destruction for this show to be more interesting…they are on a freaking island afterall. Where are all the wildebeasts, the tropical storms AND most importantly, the giant thinking fart cloud? That’s what this season has been lacking, mortal peril instead of dealing with Hurley’s emotions issues. I loved the first season in that it was about their survival from the elements, AND each other in some ways. The Others was a nice twist with spooky characters, but their mystique has slowly faded away over the course of the going on a year now, season 2.
Hooray for May sweeps. Keep the surprises coming!
Great recap EdHill. I love your recaps above all others. “After they’ve done the deed, Ana Lucia then tells him that if he says anything to anybody, she’ll kill him. And here I am thinking that I’m the only one who ends his dates that way.” LOL! While I didn’t like Ana Lucia all that much, I’m sorry to see her go. I would have liked to find out more about her interactions with Jack’s dad. I think Jack’s dad might still alive and somehow involved in all of this island mystery. Don’t know how, but it’s my theory and I’m sticking to it.
I can’t scroll anywhere on the Hanso site. Is it just me??? Also, I am not able to sign up for the newsletter. Help!
OMG. Best recap paragraph in forever. First TVGasm of 2006 for Jess!
“In the jungle Ana Lucia goes to Sawyer and asks him for a gun. Sawyer, after a few of his patented smarmy insults, refuses. He even tells her to “scram” and to “git”. Then he exclaims that he reckons there’s no way in tarnation he would give her a gun. Then he spits some chaw into his spittoon, adjusts his overalls, and jumps feet first into the General Lee to race to the town hall to make sure the mortgage payment gets their on time so Boss Hog doesn’t foreclose.”
“Goodwin was with them from the time the plane went down up until his death. So the only time they could have talked about her was before the plane crash, which means they knew who was going to be on board and had them put here on purpose.”
I don’t think Goodwin was on the plane at all. He came out of the woods after the plane went down and people started to gather their senses. Remember that Ana Lucia became suspicious of Goodwin because of his appearance – not being wet or particularly disheveled.
HTF did Sawyer not get that Ana was using sex to get his gun? Sawyer wasn’t THAT dumb before.
Locke is turning into my Grandma. Actually, my Grandma’s tougher than him.
Where’s the rain? It’s a freakin rainforest.
OK I’m done venting. Best last 5 minutes EVER!
agreed plethlaura. and where are the late night vaccum noises that used to come out of the woods?
In addition to the Hanso and Oceanic Air websites, there’s also a website for Widmore Laboratories (the makers of the pregnancy test Sun used.) Widmore makes specially formulated food items for remote research facilities and is the exclusive manufacturer for Dharma brands.
Check this out: Maybe someone else already posted this — I didn’t read all of the entries — but the manuscript that Sawyer was reading, Bad Twin, is now for sale as a book on amazon.com. Check it out on amazon and scroll down to the author bio: it says that the author was lost on Oceanic Flight 815 and presumed dead. My god, they even have amazon in the loop now. Where will it end????Very cool.
On another note, that last 5 minutes were so intense that I screamed “Holy Crap” at my tv not once but three times. My heart was beating in my throat. I tell ya, making the down shift from that right into Top Chef was really hard work — the toughtest thing I had to do all week. Not even a moment for a breather. Between Tarek AND Sharm both getting fired on Monday, Michael becoming a big rat and blowing away AL and Libby on Wed before turning the gun on himself, and then Lee Anne sent packing after that in lieu of the nefarious Tiffani, Whew!!! I was exhausted!!!
And, by the way, tvgasm, you’ve lost a golden opportunity by not recapping Top Chef. It’s really good, and in terms of recaps, like shooting fish in a barrel.
#8, I also had trouble sleeping that night. The ending was so unsettling…it took me a while. But it was still good. I really hope the Losties figure out what Michael did THIS season.
AbbyAnn, that widmore website is fake. There are going to be a lot of fake websites put up during the summer. In order to weed them out i’ll be trying to update their status with the new Lost webgame forum that we will be starting up soon.
Cantstandya, Yes Goodwin wasn’t on the plane, but he was with AL from the moment she crashed up until his death. So then how did Henry and Goodwin ever have a conversation about her? It must have been BEFORE the plane crashed, so they KNEW she was going to be on it. This is borne out by the fact that the others they killed had a list of passengers as well. Somehow, Dharma engineered it so they were all put on that plane on purpose. But from the back stories all the reasons that each of them had to be on the plane were so random, I cant figure out how they did it.
norma rae, I agree jacks dad is still a factor. Remember his body disappeared from the coffin.
Does anyone remember what they told jack about how he died?
Is it possible that Jack’s father is “the brilliant man” Henry Gale was talking about? Or maybe he’s not the top dog, but in on the whole thing.
He seems to be connected to several of the characters…so far…
EdHill, those are great points. However, how does one control who lives and who dies when a plane crashes? That seems beyond even the people associated with Darhma.
EdHill, I don’t remember exactly how it was explained Jack’s dad died, but I believe it had something to do with excessive alcohol consumption (which I’ve been known to do a time or twenty without death visiting my door, thank you very much!)
Hey Ed, isnt one of the other reasons AL became suspicious because he disapeared for like 2 hours into the woods. I cant remember exactly what happened, but AL asked him “where were you?” So during the two hours he was gone he could have definitely talked to Henry. Remember the Others had a list of the tailenders…of who they were going to take, which meant that Goodwin gave them a list so, he must have had some type of contact with them after the crash. At least that is what was implied…when they found the list, AL specifically said “One of them is amongst us”, or something of that nature.
#47….”However, how does one control who lives and who dies when a plane crashes? That seems beyond even the people associated with Darhma.”
Well…considering the fact that 2 people on the island have somehow healed (Locke and Rose)…and the mysterious powers that Walt has…i’m not sure what supernatural explanation there might be.
Goodwin snapped the guy’s neck that was missing in the woods for two hours, but I don’t think it is to far fetvhed to believe that Goodwin snuck away, met with, whatever, with the others to give them a list of the ‘good tailies” I belive Goodwin wanted to add ana to that list after seein gher help Bernard down. I don’t think the list was predertremined, how would they now who would survive the crash?
EDhill- how do you know Goodwin was with Ana every moment until his death?
The Game: Can we post the password on here, since it isn’t a spoiler?
Libby: dead, dead, dead. Her trailer is still in Hawaii, but I think it is just to shoot flashbacks. I won’t spoil anything, but she is connected to someone else on the island.
Holy Freakin Crap!!! That was my reaction to the last 5 minutes of the episode. Best ep in ages.
Great re-cap EdHill. You are so funny…git, scram, Boss Hogg, I almost got caught at work cuz I was laughing so loud.
I can’t believe I am about to write this…but I was sad to see Ana bite the bullet, so to speak. I actually started to like her. And I do think Jack’s dad is alive somewhere on the island, he could be the big man in charge that Henry is so afraid of. Michael is totally brainwashed or has been made to believe that he has to turn against the Losties in order to save Walt. WTF! Libby, is she dead or alive? I think she makes it, probably very hurt. Hope she is around long enough for us to learn her backstory.
EVERYTHING about this episode was great, from the hot scene with Ana and Sawyer, the commercials and then the surprise ending. I cannot wait until next week!
I’d attribute it to poor writing.
I don’t think any details were given, other than he was drunk and with a woman (hooker?).
ONE of us
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Why do I ALWAYS have problems with TypeKey? Ugh, it never ends.
Christian Shepherd is definitely the man Henry makes reference to. I mean, look at his name. Also, Mr. Gale has told us many times that he is a brilliant man and an Ana-Lucia flashback helped seal the deal when he told her that he couldn’t “forgive” his son. Henry tells us he is afraid of the man because he cannot forgive. It is him . . . and I have said since season one that Claire is probably Jack’s sister. Wouldn’t this make the Others want Aaron even more? We would think this is way too random; but I think the major players were all gathered together for a reason and herded onto that plane. Her psychic was probably convinced (threatened or paid very nicely) to get Claire onto that flight.
As for the “crash,” perhaps the black smoke pulled it out of the sky after everybody was knocked out by the gas in the oxygen masks. Sayid mentioned that nobody could have survived a crash like that; and he is right. They’d all be dead in an actual crash.
Now as for Goodwin we have never been told that he wasn’t on the plane but I don’t think he was. He did come running out of the forest and wasn’t near the beach after the “crash” (kind of like Kate in the pilot episode although we know she was on the plane, which doesn’t mean she still couldn’t be working with someone on the island). The list of passengers does prove that people knew who were on the plane — it even listed what people were wearing so somebody knew a LOT. The list contained only names of people who had survived the “crash” as well so there are a lot of ?s still unanswered about that list. But back to Goodwin, he snapped Nathan’s neck and disposed of the body with nobody knowing about it so I think he could have sneaked off for a few minutes at different times to have some conversations with Others (Kate, I mean someone, is doing it with the other Losties b/c Zeke knew people’s names and nicknames). It isn’t that big of a stretch.
I don’t think Libby is dead yet. Someone said Kate makes mention of a single death which is true. Someone else said Cynthia Watros has a sitcom pilot so she must die which isn’t 100% factual truth. Filming a pilot doesn’t mean she cannot stay on Lost since not all pilots are picked up and one station exec said her role is a “guest starring” one so take that to mean whatever you want it to (I am sure it is code for “we don’t want to say too much” but . . . ). Watros’s husband is also a Los Angeles resaurant owner and they have two kids . . . so if she leaves the show it might be because she would rather be in LA with her family. That makes just as much sense to me. And Ed, you said her character has too many unanswered questions; but so did Shannon’s. We just found out that Jack could have saved her father’s life but he did not and a lot of stories could have came from that friction but NOTHING did because beautiful Shannon died. My point being, Libby could be killed before everything is answered about her too
(I still think they had a goldmine with a Shannon/Jack confrontation). Yes, Libby is the only one who can tell the Losties that Michael pulled the trigger so she is either comatose for an episode or two or Henry takes her with him for some reason. He had a sore shoulder so I couldn’t imagine the latter scenerio although he did help Locke free his leg with that same shoulder. Perhaps he is super-human b/c what did he mean by his head breaking Locke’s crutch?!?
I guess we should have known something was up with Michael when the first five words out of his mouth were not: “Walt”, “Waalt”, Waaalt”, “Waaaalt” and “Waaaaalt.” But who could have guessed this Michael would have killed the island bitch? I actually grew a little more fond of Ana the past couple of episodes but I agree that M-Rod’s decision to be on the show for only one season was perfect with this little plot development. EXCELLENT.
Ed, you mentioned a forum for the Lost webgame — so are you going to keep is separate from this Lost board? I do hope so because we already have enough people spilling beans about things some of us don’t want to read anything about. It really sucks when I am a “good” person and read all of the posts and am unlucky enough to read someone’s thoughtless spoiled information.
Oh — was Libby going to get blankets and the wine? She made mention of Dharma wine being in some un-wine-like containers so perhaps they helped spare her life.
The two names Sarah and Tom are used quite a bit. Jack’s wife, Kate’s friend, Claire’s baby’s father . . . but maybe they are all spelled differently
Ah, I had forgotten about the “not a forgiving man” line from Henry! I suspect that the pyschic was a fraud and following a “script” to get her to go to LA for some unsavoury reason.
Before their picnic, Hurley made a point of commenting to Libby that maybe more time together would help him remember where he knows her from. Wouldn’t this give more credence to the possibility that she won’t be dead and that he’ll make the connection from the psych. ward?
No way Jacks father is the leader. Just no way. Its Alvar Hanso. If course I could be wrong…
They showed michael in the armory ext week so they know he killed them and have him locked up. But since this is lost, I bet they’ll spend a total of five minutes on the hatch story and 40 minutes on Eko and his stupid church.
THE lost webgame forums should be up shortly. I’ll make an annoucement soon.
I am freaked out that I am saying this, but I think I might miss Ana-Lucia. I was actually beginning to like her.
Oh ye of little faith…
Oh ye of little faith…
For what it’s worth, and this is just my humble opinion, I also don’t think that Jack’s father is the “leader.” He was binge-drinking his way through Australia during the critical week before the plane crash. I’d think that if he were the leader, he’d be on the island, in the control room, or wherever the “leader” had his war room, orchestrating the final details. Although, I’m not saying that Jack’s dad couldn’t be involved in some way, (the coffin was empty, after all), just maybe not as the leader.
Yeah, so I just sat with my mouth gaped open staring at the tv for like 10 minutes. I think Michael must have made some kind of deal to get Walt back. I don’t think he’s been brainwashed because he said he was sorry before he shot her.
When Sawyer was walking through the jungle alone, I was thinking that I would be a mess of nerves hanging out on an island with him. He is so hot and is just the kind of bad boy that would get me going. Then AL showed up and I was trying to figure out how no one has jumped his bones yet. Kate spent a night alone with him. Well, then they did the deed and I felt vindicated.
Yeah, at least Ana Lucia got a little slap and tickle before her untimely demise. I guess if your number is soon to be called, and you’re stranded on an island with no hope for rescue, dirty jungle sex with a dimpled cutie ain’t a bad way to spend a few last minutes of your life.
Isn’t it weird how as soon as someone becomes “coupled” with someone on the island they die? Shannon and Sayid, Ana and Sawyer, Hurley and Libby… its like the island won’t allow people to make babies…
I like the idea that Jack and Claire are bro/sis, but dont support the jack’s dad as leader theory yet. I still think Henry is more important than he says he is.
One explanation could be that Jack’s dad was the leader, his project ran awry and got out of his own control, he began drinking his life away and then caught up all these people in the project on his way down.
I still don’t think Libby is dead yet. Her being alive lends support to the theory of not having sex on the island b/c her and Hurley haven’t done it yet.
Shannon and Sayid did it and she died the SAME episode. Ana and Sawyer did it and she died the SAME episode. I guess Sun and Jin didn’t do it the night before Hurley gave them the thumbs up . . . there is no way she’d still be alive.
Jack’s father is much more involved than many think. What would be the shock of “Him” being Alvar Hanso? There would be NONE and Lost is all about shock and awe as this last episode proved. Also, why throw out that little bit of dialoge about forgiveness if it meant nothing? It is all about the shoes . . . they keep popping up and the first two odd occurences of shoes were the shoe dangling in the jungle by Jack’s body and his father’s “ghost” wearing shoes that did not match his wardrobe.
And Ed, you are right that the preview shows Michael standing against the wall in the armory; but we don’t know if he is actually locked up in there. He could simply be standing in there pretending like he is trying to think of how Henry could have “pulled a fast one on him” since the preview also shows Hurley talking to him telling him he is glad that he is alright. Would Hurley really be talking all nice-nice to him if he attempted to kill the woman he could get some from? Also, would they just allow Hurley to talk to him IF he is a brainwashed Other? Wouldn’t this be a job for the two leaders Jack and Locke?
Ok, I must have hit too much of the crack rock this morning, cause I went to sign up for the Hanso Org webby and it asked for a password that I didn’t have and then told me to call a phone # on the TV Ad that wasn’t there.
Anyone????
Grrrr….Ok…now looking again at the pics posted on the recap, I see the phone#, but why isnt it on the web version of the tv ad? Gayness.
And is the password gotten from the tel#??
Woohooo!! I’m in!!
Ok…. a couple things.
#1 – Jacks father did not say to AL that he could not forgive his son, he said “I cannot apologize to my son.” I believe. I will watch it again to confirm.
#2 – A thought about the discussion as to whether the Dharma people could not have known who would survive the crash…Is it not possible that they could have drugged everyone on the plane and then removed who they wanted and then crashed the plane and put the “survivors” among the wreckage?
As an aside…Anyone actually get anywhere with the Hanso web site? I got the password from the phone #, and all I get whenever I log in is “Welcome Back! No New Messages. Bye Bye.”
Web Bandit — I think that is very much what probably happened with the plane “crash.” I haven’t bought an actual crash since Day 1.
The oxygen mask played a part in it becuase NOBODY remembers anything about it except for Kate (which is why I suspect her of something). Kate secured the mask on Mars first and then put hers on much later than everybody else had placed theirs — she didn’t get as much of the “oxygen” as others on the plane. Nobody would argue against there being a crash although everyone had blacked out because the evidence is all over the beach. Sayid said them surviving a crash was impossible to which Kate changed the subject. Suspicious . . . and why wasn’t she at the crash site!?
Also, in season 1 Claire makes reference to there being no combs or hairbrushes in ANY of the bags. How odd is that? These people were obviously placed and positioned by someone after their bags were searched through. Because — seriously — not a single passenger on a jumbo jet packed a comb?!? I don’t think so . . .
TWilliams:
Yes..No combs or brushes, but pregnancy tests & manuscripts abound. LOL
I must admit that originally I had never viewed Kate as dirty, but since seeing it bandied about here, I have considered it and in viewing a lot of her actions in this light, they suddenly make much more sense!
So how do you explain everyone watching the plane break apart in mid-air and the tail section survivors having to swim for shore?