Make Me a Match

Lost

By Kat | Thursday, October 20, 2005 | 4:08 pm | 89 Comments

lost.a.10-20-05So a lot of people are complaining about this season’s slow pace compared to last year. But if all the questions were answered quickly, the show would be ended sooner! I think all the Lost fans should savor this show like a fine wine. This episode was all about feelings and emotions and peace and love and orange juice, which I guess technically isn’t as exciting as polar bears and exploding computers, but it gave us more insight into the characters, which is a good thing. Also, this episode was an opportunity to show off that Sun is rilly rilly pretty. It’s totally rad that there’s an Old Navy on the island. I especially love Claire’s brand new short-sleeved hoodie; that green is fantastic on her. She and Sun are doing laundry together, and as they discuss the raft, Sun realizes that she’s lost her wedding ring. In a nice touch of realism, she panics in Korean rather than English. And we head into our first flashback of the evening. In case we had forgotten that Sun was a rich girl, here she’s sitting at her jewelry box picking out sparkly things, and in the background there’s a big four-poster bed with five million pillows on it. Her mom comes in and instantly starts in with the nagging. Looks like Sun’s going on a blind date – her parents are embarrassed that she’s still single even after four years of college. Yeah, what an old hag she is.

Instead of going back to the island at the end of Sun’s flashback, we go straight to Jin’s back story, the better to remember that they were of rather different backgrounds. He’s in a dumpy little apartment with another guy, getting dressed for an interview and talking about love, life, and fish. Jin’s nervous about the interview, wants to rise above his background as a fisherman, and doesn’t want a woman, even though the “destiny book” says he needs to find a wife. An orange one, to be precise. Hey, it’s what the book says. This scene drags but they don’t actually say much, because it’s all in Korean and Korean is longer than English. This scene is like a kung-fu movie, but with a plot. And no kung fu. And in Korean, not Chinese. So actually it’s not at all like a kung-fu movie.

Back in Ana Lucia’s hatch, the Three Musketeers are trying to figure out what the hell is going on. Sawyer, who’s not looking so good, says “I think they’re gonna eat us.” Seriously. The only way Ana Lucia gets to be so rude is if she ate all the other survivors, and laughed while she cooked them. She tells them that they have to gather food and water, because they’re all going to walk over to the main camp. The music gets all dramatic-y and dun dun DUNNN when she says that, as if this was the startling, out-of-nowhere idea of a tour guide savant.

My roommate and I laugh and laugh – why do they act like it’s so dramatic to go back to the survivor’s hub? After all, that plan makes the most sense. The only sense, in fact! It’s like ordering dinner and when it arrives deciding that dammit, you’re gonna eat this dinner, no matter what anyone else thinks!

Once they’re out in the jungle, Michael asks politely if Ana Lucia could clue them in on why they have to make a federal case out of going to the main camp. Seems like a reasonable question. In response, Ana Lucia shoots his balls off with a bow and arrow. Well, not really, but her response is kind of the verbal equivalent. C’mon, you have to give us a reason why she’s such a ball breaker, or else we’ll all be clamoring for her untimely demise. Her bitchery is completely out of hand.

I guess we can’t have an episode of Lost without Jack in at least one scene, so we go back to Sun looking for her wedding ring. Jack tells a boring story. The End.

So, Jin has gone to the beach with Ana Lucia and Bernard to catch fish. I feel all happy when he catches a bunch, but I can’t get fully into it because Ana Lucia is there. Every time she talks I get all tense. From the look on Bernard’s face, he hates her too. Maybe when they get to camp Ana Lucia and Rose can mud wrestle. The other castaways could place bets with shells and bits of twig.

Ahhh, more flashbacks now. Jin is at his job interview. The manager is really mean to him, telling Jin that he smells like fish, etc. Oh look, the rich Asian guy is a classist dick. What a surprise! He does hire Jin, as a doorman, but tells him not to let in any people like him. Did you know that Asian cultures tend to have a greater sense of and appreciation for stratified society than is generally found in Judeo-Christian tradition? If you didn’t, the writers of Lost are here to let you know.

As Michael and Libby go looking for fruit, they laugh about how Sawyer is a redneck. But then things get serious as Libby says they can’t go deeper into the jungle because “that’s where they come from.” In the next scene she’s running back to her group, telling them that he ran away into the jungle. Mild panic, then Jin starts jibbering away in Korean (here conveniently un-subtitled) while everyone stares at him. Finally he says a word in English: “Walt!” Oh lordy, good thing he said that. Embarrassingly enough, I had actually forgotten about that kid.

They all head ‘em up and move ‘em out, except Jin. Aww, he wants to help Michael. Mr. Echo gets in his way, and Jin punches him. But then Mr. Echo headbutts him! Hey, I thought Ana Lucia was this team’s bitchface! And then Mr. Echo decides to help Jin. Huh? So Mr. Echo is a good guy? An upstanding gentleman? Or delusional schizophrenic?

Back at the beach, Hurley is advising Sun on how to find her ring. He has her retrace her steps from yesterday, which included feeding fruit to Vincent. That seems like a bad idea; couldn’t they catch him even just a tiny anchovy? Hurley decides that Vincent must have swallowed the ring, so they have to go wait for it. Oh fun, scatological humor. My favorite. But at least we get to have a little sit-down with Hurley, and watch him ask Sun if Seoul is in “the good Korea or the bad Korea,” then tell a story about his dog pooping out $1.35 in nickels. Sun is completely confounded. I am completely delighted.

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Hurley asks Sun if she has a dog, which leads into a flashback of Sun going on her date. Oh, it’s a group date with moms and a matchmaker. It’s at the hotel where Jin works, but they don’t see each other, since he’s kowtowing at the door. It looks like a terrible set-up situation, but when we see the guy he’s really cute so we know they’ll hit it off. I like how TV makes it easy for us to know who’s worthy of affection.

Back on the island, Jin runs around all crazy-like as Echo shouts after him. There is the obligatory rustling in the bushes, and Jin is charged by a boar and knocked over. Jin don’t die! (I’m all nervous since people keep telling me that someone is supposed to die this season.) Oh good, there’s another dead body instead, and it’s rotting so we know it’s not one of our people. Echo confirms that The Others got this guy.

As they move along, Echo cuts a piece of aloe for Jin to put on his cuts, then observes that Jin is married. So Echo is Locke’s double, if we’re using that theory. Here we see that Jin has learned a few words of English, too. On the other side of the island, Sun is freaking out and tearing up her garden. My suspicions are confirmed here. Mr. Echo must be Locke’s double (good name for him too, then) and they’re really driving home the point by putting these scenes back to back. Basically Locke gets all contemplative and tells her he doesn’t get angry about things because he isn’t lost anymore. Freak. Aw, I feel bad for Sun. Her outfit is sooo cute, though! Too bad she wore white pants. They’re all dirty now.

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Cut to Sun waiting at her boyfriend’s hotel. Props to the makeup and hair people for making her look a lot younger. So, is my lady getting stood up? She’s been kept waiting. When the guy finally shows up, he asks Jin for the flower from his coat, so he can wear it on his date with Sun. It goes well until he tells Sun that he’s secretly marrying an American woman is six months. He’s playing the old “oh, I thought you didn’t care” card. Guys love doing that; they can dump a girl and make her feel stupid about it, too. On the other hand, this was probably really difficult for him, as Sun looks amazing in the dress she’s wearing. Does anyone know how to say “daaammn” in Korean?

lost.d.10-20-05Back in the jungle, Echo’s spidey senses are acting up, and he and Jin hide under a bush, waiting for something. We see from their point of view a group of people walk by. This is shot at a weird speed or…digitized, or something fancy and technical meant to remind us that The Others are super weird. Also, they use the same shot of two people walking by twice. Could it be an editing mistake? With this show, you’ve got to be on the ball or the fans will eviscerate you. Or, maybe they’re doing it on purpose. Which would be a big ol’ ‘f you’ to us internerds.

Ew! Kate! She tries to advise Sun on the ways of the world, but Sun tells her to shut up. Preach it, sister!

Sawyer is not doing so well. He can’t move his arm, and collapses on the hike. Ana Lucia threatens to leave him there, so he gets all hot and bothered and asks her if she’s married. He’s on autopilot with the flirting. He can’t stop it, even with an infected open wound. Actually, it looks like flirting revived him enough to keep walking. Also, Ana Lucia seemed pretty receptive to it.

Echo tells Jin to wait for him at a stream while he goes to look for Walt (at least I think that’s what he said – accent issues). Why is he leaving Jin? IS IT A SET UP? I’m nervous again. We see Michael’s orange shirt at the edge of the frame. He tells Jin to go back, but Jin runs off after him anyway. I hope this is real Michael, not an apparition. Gah, I feel stupid writing that, but with this show you never know. I guess he’s real, because both Jin and Echo find him at a waterfall, screaming for Walt. They both agree to help Michael look for him.

At the beach, Sun digs up the bottle of messages. Kate grabs the bottle out of Sun’s hands and then asks if she can borrow it. Cow. Then she starts reading all the messages. When Sun gets angry at her, the actress loses her Korean accent for a second and goes “Kate, what are you dooooing?” all Valley Girl-like. I like it. Kate non-sequiturs that she didn’t properly say goodbye to Sawyer. What the hell does that have to do with reading other people’s messages? I don’t know who to disdain more – Kate, or the people that write her?

Sun finds her ring in the sand. It’s a bit more emotional than Kate getting all mopey about not saying goodbye to Sawyer, some dude she flirted with for a couple weeks. Dual flashback to Sun and Jin meeting for the first time. A girl in a bright orange dress walks by, which makes Jin laugh as he remembers his prophecy about an orange wife. Then he bumps into Sun and they get all googly-eyed at each other. Am I teary? Maybe a little.

So that’s that, folks! Only a slight advancement in plot, but I like Sun and Jin so I don’t mind spending time on their backstory. How did you like this episode? They’re telling us that a lostaway will die in the next episode….which airs in three weeks! I don’t know if I can keep it together. Feel free to talk about who you think will die based on your own independently formed opinions, but post a spoiler and feel the wrath of the ‘gasm.

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89 Comments

  1. 1
    jash
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 4:22 pm

    i tell ya, nothing says you are wealthy than 5 million pillows on your bed.

    great recap! what annoyed me today we that we saw jack, hurley, kate and locke. was sayid alone in having to push that damn button>?

  2. 2
    CB
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 4:23 pm

    I love the way you describe stuff Kat…The whole “Ana Lucia shoots his balls off with a bow and arrow”, that totally cracked me up…Are we suppose to assume or at least think that Sawyer and Kate have a bit of a past? I mean like you said, they only flirtd for a few weeks, big deal. Be sad but not psychotic, they ahvent even done it yet…MAN!!!

  3. 3
    char
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 4:26 pm

    i thought it was sweet as well. aww. good recap.

  4. 4
    copygodd
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 4:40 pm

    i thought they used the same shot of legs twice too, but i went back and rewatched it again and they were different. definitely digitized or something, though, as they looked weird. also, i counted a total of thirteen others walking by.

    maybe.

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    Julie
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 5:04 pm

    My money is on Shannon to die in the next episode. I think her plot line dried up when Boone died. I agree that they better provide a reason for Ana Lucia’s wrath because it seems so hyper exaggerated without cause. I’m also sensing a little cannibalism with that crowd (Ana Lucia, Bernard, etc.) They act very strange and there was no real reason for the missing people in their group other than they died. Maybe even a little allusion to it when Sawyer jokingly said, “They’re going to eat us.” Did anyone notice the really bad Julia Roberts as Tinkerbell wig that one of the survivors in Ana Lucia’s/ crowd (what are we calling them anyway? Group B? the other others?) was wearing. Seriously, it was distracting! She’s also the only one in that group that hasn’t had a line. BTW, I’ve got a mad crush on Jin. He’s so good looking.

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    jessica
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 5:25 pm

    what are you talking about–mr echo being locke’s double? i havent heard of any sort of theory of ‘doubles’ on the island.

    also if you did count all the feet that went by (including the loop which–who knows, maybe that style of pants were just really popular to wear when stranded on an island) there were 14 people there.

    and mr echo did say ‘ill find walt’

    which is interesting, as he has no clue who walt is or what he looks like

    anna lucia needs to get laid. she sure is a cunt..

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    mountain girl
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 5:38 pm

    “But if all the questions were answered quickly, the show would be ended sooner! I think all the Lost fans should savor this show like a fine wine.” – I couldn’t agree more. Part of what I love the most about the show is the suspense of all the questions. It’s fun to debate the why, what, and how with friends, co-workers, and fellow posters.

    Great recap! Loved the Kung Fu movie comparsion too.

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    CB
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 5:44 pm

    I agree about Ana being a cunt!!! But I do not agree with the cannibalism. They are surely implying that the others have killed them or else they have some who died from “the illness”.

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    boondocksaint
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 5:55 pm

    Great recap, Kat! I loved the comparison to an old Chinese Kung Fu movie…well not really Chinese…not really Kung Fu either… LOL

    Btw though, didn’t the preview trailer say something like, “…one of them will be Lost…FOREVER!!”. That doesn’t mean that someone dies…at least I’m crossing all fingers. ;)

    Honestly, if it is someone, I hope it’s Michael…his constant screaming for “WAAAALLLTTTT!” is getting not only annoying, but is going to get them all killed. I can understand a father losing his child, but he must realize that the best way to get him back is not to scream for him at the top of his lungs, thereby provoking others (or THE others) to kill both of them.

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    jack
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 6:10 pm

    you hit the nail on the head, kat–sun is the kind of hot jimi had in mind when he wrote ‘foxy lady.’ but you gotta give props to j.j. abrams, who makes sure to provide sum-sumpin’ for the ladies, too. according to the mrs., jin is capital-S ‘Sex-ay.’ sorry, kate and jack–in the contest of ‘who on the island by virtue of hotness owe it to the world to breed beautiful babies,’ jin and sun win, hands down.

    also gotta give props to mr. echo, lost’s new gentle giant. yeah, he was kind of imposing at first, and that headbutt on michael was vicious, but as we can now see, that’s just the bruddah’s form of tough love.

    well, the previews and numerous statements in interviews with the writers and producers indicate that a major character will be killed off in the next few weeks, and sadly, due to her recent arrival, it will not likely be ana lucia. not since keanu reeves ‘dude’-ed his way to stardom have i been more perplexed by an actor’s undeserved success. michelle rodriguez is super-annoying, reads her lines with the grace of a linebacker, and, in case anyone needs to be told, she is NOT HOT. the only good reason to cast her would be to make evangeline lilly look a little less out of place.

    on the other hand, ana lucia seems almost certainly destined for a full-on garment-ripping, hair-pulling, tai-bo-ing cat fight with kate, which might redeem somewhat the inadequacies of both actresses.

    hisss-mrrowwwr! that’s entertainment.

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    mountain girl
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 6:45 pm

    jack (#10) – I couldn’t agree more with you about the ensuing cat fight between Kate and Ana Lucia. But will it be over Jack or Sawyer?

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    Dana
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 7:25 pm

    uh Jessica?- that’s a spoiler. TMI. It doesn’t matter to me, but it may to others who read this site.

    3 weeks is too long to wait!

  13. 13
    EdHill
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 7:31 pm

    Awesome recap as always Kat. That Sun IS a cutie.

    I hope Walt either gets found or dies really soon because if I have to hear that moron run around ands scream “WALT!” one more time I’m gonna lose it. Basically his ENTIRE plan is to run of by himself into the woods, and just scream the kids name. No wonder he lost custody. He’s a freaking idiot.

    I also enjoy the slow dribble of the mystery, but this week was a little silly. It didn’t occur to Sawyer or Michael to stop and ask “who are the others, what do they look like, where do you think they are from, etc…” we just get veiled comments like “thats where THEY com3e from…” and no one just says “umm, who’s they?”

    I’m liking Locke more and more every week.

    And The doubles theory i think is based on the twins in the boat from last seasons finale. I think it was kind of a cloning genetic type theory with Dharma.

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    Dickey D
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 8:27 pm

    Hey! Just had a thought! jessica (#6) said there was 14 legs walking by in “the others” shot. And Ethan was an other (im guessing), so that means that there were 15 others! lol i know its no biggie, i just like to think im clever haha, so humour me :)

  15. 15
    suebee
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 8:30 pm

    Do we really have to wait 3 weeks for a new episode? Whhhyyyyy?

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    Stefanie
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 9:07 pm

    i know who dies! http://www.aintitcool.com ;)

    and….

    did anyone else think it would be totally hot if sun and kate started hooking up after the bottle thing? my boyfriend and i were waiting for some girl-on-girl island action.

    ;D

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    Stefanie
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 9:07 pm

    i know who dies! http://www.aintitcool.com ;)

    and….

    did anyone else think it would be totally hot if sun and kate started hooking up after the bottle thing? my boyfriend and i were waiting for some girl-on-girl island action.

    ;D

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    palmtree
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 10:23 pm

    I loved this show. I’d didn’t reveal much of anything but I loved this background story. I also think that I am now looking way too much for hidden signs because I noticed that Michael’s shirt was orange; which is what Jin was supposed to be looking for when love came around. I can’t believe I have to wait 3 weeks for another episode. I hope Shannon goes she’s really got nothing to give. Either her or Charlie, he’s really been bugging me lately. Did anyone notice in the previews that Walt was not only soaking wet again but it looked like he was all kinds of pissed of at Shannon? My money is on her.

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    Victoria
    Posted October 20, 2005 at 11:27 pm

    Kate and Ana Lucia kill each other in a battle royale! Yea!

    Hey, remember when this show used to be an ensemble drama? Now there are main characters who have barely been mentioned this season or been missing from some episodes altogether. But, as Kat mentioned, because Jack seemingly needs to be in every episode, he comes and tells his ambiguous marriage story for the week and then goes away. So we have a mandatory appearance by Jack, Hurley, Locke, and unfortunatley Kate. What happens to a show when your main characters are relegated to cameo status?

    Death to Kate!

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    geewits
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 1:42 am

    I understood Mr. Echo to say something like, “We lost his trail, I’ll go back and find it. You wait here.” Also that “digitized” walk-by: I thought that was in reference to one of the Tail People saying The Others don’t leave tracks. I think it was Mr. Echo. Kind of a nod to Dune. Maybe they had to learn a special walk so as not to set off the chain/monster machine. Just a guess.

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    TWilliams
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 1:46 am

    “That wasn’t a spoiler, right? I read it on Watch with Kristin on E’s website….and she’s never wrong! ;) ” — I guess it isn’t a spoiler if you can’t read. Jessica, come on, wake up — are you for real or are you a third grader who doesn’t know any better?

    I will jump on the bandwagon here and say that I also detest Ana-Lucia. She was semi-friendly at the airport bar, but now she is a total bitch. I can understand that island life hasn’t been fun or easy on the girl; but Libby isn’t a raging bitch. Someone commented on the girl with the bad hair in this group; she was the nice flight attendant that gave Jack his extra bottles of liquor. I thought she was nice then so I hope she gets some screen time before she is savagely killed by the Others. I am just assuming she’ll be the one out of the group to die on their island trek because she hasn’t spoken yet.

    As for the person who is going to die, why do the writers use this gimmick during sweeps? It just shows how formulaic the show is and I don’t appreciate it — I think we’d all be just as happy with some plot revelations. As for who it is, if it is a woman we have 4 choices. It can’t be Kate because she hasn’t fought Ana-Lucia yet. She’ll stick around long enough for that. Sun would be an interesting death and would shift her entire story to Jin (maybe they have a deeper connection to the island than we think — their subtitles in early episodes referring to “the others” has always made me wonder). Shannon’s death would be too easy and a cop-out by the show’s writers because they don’t want to be creative enough to give her a story. That and her death would make both her and Boone’s characters unnecessary to the entire show. I think the best death for the show would be Claire’s. I love the sweet kid but her death would send Charlie into a dramatic tailspin and nobody would know what to do with the baby. Would the baby be protected or would our unlucky castaways offer him up to the Others so that their lives would be spared?

    I am pretty certain I know who will be dying. My favorite characters always seem to have untimely departures in any serial drama that I chose to watch. An even more insulting instance would be myself subscribing to X-Men as a teenager only to have my favorite character, Rogue, get sucked into limbo not 2 issues after my subscription started. I apologize to all who will miss this character because I am convinced it is my fault they are leaving the show :(

  22. 22
    Bobbie
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 4:40 am

    Let’s try to agree on the definition of a spoiler, shall we? Here’s my offering: A spoiler would be insider info; the stuff that can be had because your college roomie is a gaffer on the set…Stuff that is bandied about because it was already publically released–like that a major female character would be lost…FOREVER, as was published in TV Guide weeks ago, is merely spreading of the word according to the publicists. And the thing we all love to do most here at TVgasm is called “speculation”–it may or may not have legs; we must all wait and watch the plot unfold to see whom among us are the greatest plot unravelers…Does that gibe with your sense of the terms?

    And Ana Lucia is Kate’s double.

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    Tony A.
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 5:03 am

    I’ve always hated Michael. What a wimp! His kid has more balls than he. And he always gets verbally or literally bitch-slapped by whoever is arguing with him at any given time.

    As to Mr. Echo, I can just tell there’s a nefarious plan in his head, one he’s concocted with bitchy Ana Lucia, easily the most hateful character on the island. Old Adabisi is no “gentle giant” and if Jin isn’t caregul he’ll be the next stew for this motley crew.

    I wondered about the same thing: Who the hell is pushing the button? Sayid? Has he been left alone?

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    jack
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 5:36 am

    well, some folks think shannon will be the one to go, but consider: the actress who plays her, maggie grace, was cast in a fairly substantial role in ‘X-Men 3′, but was given a ‘drop out or we will kill off your character’ ultimatum from the ‘Lost’ producers. so she gave up ‘X-Men’ to stay on ‘Lost’ and was replaced by another actress.

    now, maybe they are just mean like that, but it would be pretty cruel to make the girl give up a recurring role in a big-budget film series that is already set to have at least one more sequel and then kill her off anyway.

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    America's Next Top Fan
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 5:51 am

    Who are all these people that are facinated by this show? The Lost writers seems to be writing an internet conspiracy game rather than a quality television show. Am I wrong in thinking this? But shouldn’t the television show be so unique and good that it creates it’s own internet craze and not the writers creating the craze and writing the show around that craze. The problem with what they’re doing is that if the internet crowd becomes disatisfied with the hints, twists, and secret numbers, then the show fails. It doesn’t stand on its own merits as a show. Which is why I don’t like Lost I guess. I have been watching and trying to catch the fever but if you’re not into jumping onto the internet everytime a series of numbers, symbols or mysterious names appears then you’re out of the loop. Hell I would miss most of the hints if not for this site.

    I thought last nights show was superior compared to others in the series. That’s because it stood on its own merits with great storytelling and acting. But damn, when they get back to that buried Nazi lab\submarine\purgartory\spaceship\nuclear-reactor they are going to ask us to play along with their stupid internet game again and the show loses it. Some people think that the fun is not knowing the answer to the island. I predict that if they don’t give us answers soon a lot of people will quit playing their game and turn off Lost. Because if your show cannot stand the reveal of the secret of the island then there really isn’t a story to be told. Just a game to play.

    In my opinion this whole fall season has been a bust. I’m down to Survivor, ANTM, Apprentice, Footballers Wives & RT w/Bill Maher on my TIVO. Nothing else is worth watching. I am desperately waiting for the midseason 24 and AI to return. At least I can depend on those.

    Sorry for the long RANT.

    GO WHITE SOX!!!

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    ithotn
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 7:00 am

    OH, jeez. If spoiler girl is right and a woman is supposed to die in the next episode, my guess is that the one to go will be your ‘it’ girl Sun. Only because they just did the episode-long, kinda unnecessary flashback on her. And because I kept thinking that Jin would die all through this episode. Hopefully I am wrong and Shannon will say bye-bye…she doesn’t deserve the beautiful Sayid.

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    palmtree
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 7:10 am

    If Sun is the one to go, then I vow to stop watching Lost. Actually scratch that I made the same vow if Kaysar was booted for the second time and he was and then made the same vow if Janelle didn’t get in the top 2, which she didn’t but I still watched. Never mind, let’s just say I will be seriously displeased. You don’t think they’d knock off Rose right before she got to see Bernard do you?? That would just be so wrong.

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    is
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 7:14 am

    I am sorry, but I NEED the ANTM re-cap. I hope it’s coming soon.

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    hjordanc
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 7:23 am

    Man, you guys got some wacky ideas what is and is not a spoiler (cough! Jessica! Cough! Bobbie!) Other shows I dont care so much, but for Lost I want my show as spoiler free as possible. I’ll keep reading the recaps here, because you know we are RECAPPING the show, but I have to say smell ya later on the comments side. Thanks.

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    Warren
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 7:34 am

    I disagree with ANTF, I think the show does stand on it’s own merits. If you want the fun of scouring the net for secrets that’s cool but if not you still have a pretty well written character driven drama. I’ll agree that if they drag it on forever it will cease working but if they have a plan, play it out to the end and end the show when thier story is over it will work out very well.

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    jestur04
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 7:41 am

    This is still the best show, even though this episode did lag a little. I agree that they need to explain Ana Lucia’s major attitude problem and explain what the HELL happened to their group. I can’t understand why they are so secretive about what went down. Maybe they are cannibals…who knows. Great recap!!

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    Ashes
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 7:45 am

    I hope it’s not Sun who dies! She and Jin have to be reunited so they can conceive a baby with the most perfect cheek bones in the history of mankind.

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    tim
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 7:51 am

    Is it just me or does it seem group two is always in a rush. I mean you just found other survivors, wouldn’t you have a discussion with them about what you’ve seen and what they’ve seen? Explain everything and see if the “new” people they found could help. Instead the lady just acts like a bitch and everyone listens. Someone should tell her to shut up and get everyone on the same page.

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    Laura
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 8:01 am

    I can’t imagine it’s Sun because that leaves Jin alone and not speaking the language. They’ve set up an emotional reunion for them when Jin gets back so they can’t kill Sun off!

    Seemed to me when they were playing the preview for the next episode that they panned onto some of the women that might be “the one” they included the blonde from the tail group. I think it will be her.

    Also hoping Ana finds some midol or something. She’s just too far over the top for me

  35. 35
    annak
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 8:03 am

    Thanks EdHill I was thinking the same thing…I love this show like no grown woman should, but I was going crazy that Michael/Jin/Sawyer were not asking more questions. ie. Who are the others? How did you come to call them the others (didnt that come from Rousseau?) How did everyone else die? Where is the part of the plane that you crashed on? Did you see the black smoke/polar bear/”monster”? etc.
    BTW my favorite part of the show was watching the feet walk by!

  36. 36
    arnold_drummond
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 8:26 am

    Did anyone think it was wierd when Kate and Sun were sitting aorund the bottle right before Sun found her ring, and Kate was distraught. Sun then said “Sawyer?” and Kate looked all sad. Are they trying to invent some love relationship between her and Sawyer now? Hasn’t all the sexual tension overtly been between her and Jack. Is this a cheap ploy to set up some confict between her and Anna Lucia? How lame!

  37. 37
    Craig C
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 8:30 am

    I am surprised nobody mentioned that Mr. Echo already knew that Walt was Michaels child. I think the Others probably have already kidnapped whatever children survived from the rear plane group. Also it is interesting that their group is so poorly clothed, probably because they didn’t have access to the planes luggage and yet some of the Others are still wearing Dockers… My guess is that some of the people from the second group have ‘gone over to the Darkside’ and joined the Others.

  38. 38
    shelley
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 8:53 am

    Also loved the recap. Good job, Kat. LOL on the kung fu stuff.

    Sun and Jin – two of the most beautiful people on tv right now! And that dress!! Yowsa!!

    I’m SO happy my Atebisi is a good guy in this show! (So far, anyway.)

    I’m sure Ana Lucia’s story will totally justify the pickle up her ass, be reassured.

    I’m glad we got a break from the hatch this week..that was getting tiresome.

    I would love for the woman to die to be claire. I think it would be some good comedy relief to have Charlie and the rest of the community raise the baby. (Remember when Saywer had to read to him with those funky glasses bc the baby would only stop crying at the sound of his voice?)

    Also, my 13 yr old son LOVES this show and has never checked a website out yet, and he doesn’t feel “out of the loop” at all.

    Question: was the teddy bear Rousseau’s kids? I know we’ve seen the bear before, but can’t remember where.

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    dumbanddumber
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 9:19 am

    Of course he knows that they stole Michael’s kid … he goes around screaming “Walt” all day long!

    If it is a female, it’s probably Sun or Shannon (assuming that it’s the original crew). Kate looks to have too much backstory to tell, and I find it hard to believe that they’ll kill off the new mother. Shannon and Sun seem to be pretty much done in terms of background. Plus, a death of either of those two would be interesting in terms of the character arc for Jin or Sayid. I can hope that it’s Charlie, who may be the most obnoxious and useless character on the show. How may times do we have to hear about his heroin habit? I wouldn’t mind seeing Michael go either … he’s done nothing interesting this year, and I’m tired of hearing him running around yelling “Walt” all day!

  40. 40
    Joe
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 9:46 am

    I hope it isn’t Claire because then Charlie will start the smack again, what with a whole plane-load of it sitting right there. That would be a truly distracting plotline.

    #36: I think there was a sort of triangle between Jack, Sawyer and Kate. Sexual tension all around and the suspense was which one would she end up with, if either.

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    jash
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 9:51 am

    i watched the episode again last night, i too wonder who that teddy bear belongs too.

    also, sun is simply the best character on the show now, how can you NOT love her…and i never get tired of her backstories.

    michael, eh, i could do without him, just let him die already! or give the man some new material!

  42. 42
    memyselfandi
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 9:55 am

    Great re-cap.

    btw…Your one sentence
    “Then he bumps into Jin and they get all googly-eyed at each other.” Should be when HE bumps into SUN.

    Sun=orange

    I LOVE that dress!

  43. 43
    CB
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 10:05 am

    I thought that they were maybe trying to imply that there is more to Sawyer and Kate than meets the eye. Like maybe they had history off of the plane. Otherwise, why woudl someone be so distraught ove r aguy she never really knew int he first place. Youd be sad, but not distraught…

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    arnold_drummond
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 10:11 am

    I can’t believe nobody has mentioned Rose dying. How easy would that be? We know nothing about her, but she is still an ancillary character. She dies before reuniting with Bernard, or shortly after? Why not? Shannon is too smoking hot to kill off, Kate is too smoking hot to kill off, Sun is becoming a central character WITHOUT enough answered about her past (we need to know more about her dad), so it must equal Rose? Or Anna-Lucia. I’m sure that raging bitch has other movie deals and stuff to spend too much time on Lost.

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    CB
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 10:13 am

    They cant kill of Rose, I think there is more to her. I have heard mentioned that Rose has some psychic abilities, so she is special like Walt…

  46. 46
    Ashes
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 10:26 am

    I vote for Shannon. There are a few details we don’t know about her (e.g. was the Rutherford who died in Jack’s ER her former husband or her father?) But without Boone there isn’t that much to her story. The only reasons they would keep her are that she’s attractive (but so are plenty of others, given that this plane crash apparently killed all but a couple of the unattractive passengers while sparing all attractive ones), there is romance potential with Sayid (but that can be replaced by any other pairing of characters), and she seems to be the only one with a connection to Walt. If someone else has a Walt vision early in the next episode, then I’ll fully expect Shannon to die by the end!

  47. 47
    CB
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 10:36 am

    Yeah they show Shannon and Sayid full on making out next episode along with her seeing Walt again…but you are right, without Boone, there really isnt much of a story for her, at least none that I am interested in…

  48. 48
    CB
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 10:37 am

    The Teddy BEar that one of the “others” was carrying…did Jin give Sun a Teddy Bear at some point?

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    ithotn
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 11:04 am

    Palmtree postulated that it could be Rose. Please, no! How tragic would that be, what with Bernard on his way – and kind of a cheap trick, too. When I think of a major player being knocked off, I’m not thinking about Rose.

  50. 50
    smithie
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 11:06 am

    Can anybody help me?
    I had a black out that cut out 7 minutes of the middle. Why was Jin all dishelveled when he ran into Sun? Did anything happen or was he just disheveled? I thought he might have gotten in trouble for giving away his rose…

  51. 51
    suebee
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 11:08 am

    There are screen caps out there of the others walking by. I looked at them and the last one…the one with the teddy bear…was the only one wearing shoes.

  52. 52
    suebee
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 11:09 am

    Smithie,
    Jin had gotten fired for letting in a low class dad and son who needed to use the hotel bathroom. That’s why he was walking along the river. He bumped into one girl wearing orange (no love for him with that girl) then turns around and there is Sun with her orange scarf.

  53. 53
    AB&C
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 11:16 am

    Jin wasn’t fired from the hotel. He quit after the owner gave him crap for letting in the dirty kid and his father. Remember the owner said “Consider this your first warning” and Jin took off his hat & gloves and said “thank you for the opportunity” and left.

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    CB
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 11:29 am

    Maybe the one wearing shoes is antoher child from the flight???

  55. 55
    suebee
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 11:35 am

    Thanks for setting me straight. Jin quit.

  56. 56
    EdHill
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 11:35 am

    Does anyone else get these really cheesy arbor day commercials every week right before they come back from a commercial break?

    Its so odd.

  57. 57
    CB
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 11:43 am

    My opinion is there are too mny commercials period!!! They do the same thing with Desperate Housewives…The show is so popular they tend to oversell advertising…

  58. 58
    jenny10girl
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 11:59 am

    Hey EdHill – I thought Arbor Day was the last Friday in April? Why would you have commercials for it now? Hmm….

  59. 59
    jessica
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 12:31 pm

    hey #14, while i did say that i say 14 legs walk by, i think we were supposed to believe that the last set of legs were walts. however, even when pausing my tivo i wasnt quite sure if they were the legs of a black boy, or if they were just the dirty legs of a child.

    remember–russo also had a baby that was taken away. who knows how much they really eat on the island so that could have been a malnurished 16 year old boy…

  60. 60
    CB
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 12:35 pm

    Walt didnt have a Teddy Bear Though…i guess that could have been Russeaus Alex’s Bear and he agve it to Walt…Its hard to believe that in 16 years, Russeau has seen the “others” but hasnt seen Alex. Whats up with that??? Especially since being on the island for 40 days, the “others” have seen everyone, not to mention Jin and Eko saw them in a matter of a day or so being back on the island…

  61. 61
    jessica
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 12:35 pm

    i seriously dont see how me having watched the show and pointing out that 14 sets of legs walked by was a spoiler. if you have eyes you could have seen the same thing….how am i being called a 3rd grader? i think ur confused

  62. 62
    Kat
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 12:49 pm

    Jessica, that wasn’t the spoiler. The spoiler post has been removed.

    On another note, I noticed too that Michael was wearing an orange shirt, which could seem like a connection to Jin. But I bet his wardrobe was picked long before this episode was conceived of, so I figured it was a coincidence.

  63. 63
    shelley
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 1:11 pm

    CB,

    I also thought the teddy bear was Rousseau’s sons. And the legs carrying it did look to be teenager sized.

    My son thinks he saw the teddy bear involved somehow with Rousseau. Either in a flashback or with her guns in her little bunker where she tortured sayid.

    And the camera did linger on the bear, sort of letting us know it’s somehow important..or am i overanalysing now? (is there such a thing with this show?)

  64. 64
    CB
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 1:12 pm

    There were never flashbacks of Rousseau were there?

  65. 65
    shelley
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 1:14 pm

    also, (i don’t have time to re-read all the comments) but to whomever said that lots of people have seen “the others”, is that right?

    I know that the raft people have seen them, and the (yes, what are we calling the other others – Group B?) have seen them, but i’m not sure about Rousseau or any of the survivors (except of course, they all saw Ethan).

    Can someone confirm/correct this?

  66. 66
    shelley
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 1:15 pm

    CB – you’re right, there weren’t flashbacks for Rousseau…(I have GOT to stop smoking so much crack!) but he thinks it’s somehow tied to her.

    I’m not sure myself but i just felt the teddy was familiar somehow when i saw it.

  67. 67
    shelley
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 1:17 pm

    And on a completely different note: Does anyone know what the Canadian (Toronto, Ont.) equivalent to Tivo is?

  68. 68
    shelley
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 1:25 pm

    Of course, if the teddy was in Rousseau’s “bunker” then how could it have been with Teenage Legs?

    (duh. please forgive, I am blonde)

  69. 69
    CB
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 1:42 pm

    I said the “others” have seen everyone…They have obviously seen Rousseau, the Tailend Group and the Original Group…

  70. 70
    BC
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 2:20 pm

    I’m done with Lost.
    Part of my frustration comes from not watching the 1st season on TV but rather having a marathon viewing of the DVD over 3 or 4 days. I liked the show and was sufficiently intrigued to tune in this season. HOWEVER, the commercials are out of hand. They completely disrupt the flow of the show and underline the formulaic nature of a lot of the writing–’commercial break coming, guess we should have some semi-dramatic dialogue and use the portentous music and then cut real quick.’ I figure I’ll wait ’til season 2 hits DVD to maybe resume watching.

    Also, the cheeseball nature of the previews for upcoming episodes has turned me off. When we were told that ‘next week, the fates of all the survivors will be revealed’, it seemed to imply ALL of 815′s survivors, not simply the crew on the raft. Even then, we weren’t really told Walt’s fate. So when this week’s episode ended and they came with the ‘one of these survivors will be lost’ or die or whatever, the fact that they included a shot of Group B’s blonde lady drove me nuts. If she indeed is the one to go, Lost will have stooped to the level of 90210 all those years back: sweeps time, a death of one of the cast, and uh ok, it’s the blonde dork who follows Brian Austin Green around. It just seems like Lost should have more class than this.

    OK. Great site and comments, by the way.

  71. 71
    Kate
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 2:48 pm

    I don’t think it’s Shannon that’s gonna die, they wouldn’t kill off brother and sister as the first two! They also closed in on some of the newly-found survivors in the “which of these people” shots, so it may be one of them and we don’t really care about most of them yet.

    And I can tell you for a fact that there’s more of Shannon’s storyline comin in the next few episodes cause they were casting people for it about a month ago (including a young girl named Sophie who looks just like her, but not a younger version of Shannon). Not sure exactly where it’ll go, but sounds interesting. When they were looking for Jin’s roommate for this episode the description was all about how he loves Jin like a brother and all this other deep stuff, and he only had one short scene w/o much emotion, so who knows.

    I did think the whole Sun/Jin storyline is incredibly sweet. Especially after the issues they used to have, it’s nice to see them in love. Oh, and I’m a girl, but I think that Sun is gorgeous!! And I’m shocked that this is her first real big gig in the US, though she seems to be famous in Asia.

  72. 72
    smithie
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 3:09 pm

    Thanks for clearing that up Suebee and AB&C…

  73. 73
    Diana
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 5:05 pm

    I look forward to the show on Wednesdays and then Kat’s re-cap after that. However, the show is suffering from a typical and unintended tragic sophomore slump. Too many characters are pulling the story in too many directions. Hopefully, Lindelof and Abrams will get themselves back on track. Otherwise, I fear this could be a repition of TWIN PEAKS, which had a terrific first season and then a crap second season. Lost hasn’t gotten quite that bad, but it does seem to have lost it’s direction.

    Ana Lucía and Kate will not be fighting each other. I’m telling ya, I’m convinced that they were in cahoots and that Ana Lucía was on that plane as part of a plot to spring Kate from custody. It’s too obvious to pin them against together.

    Anyway, I’m hanging in there, but my enthusiasm is losing steam…very quickly.

    Interestingly, the same happened to me with ALIAS, which had a rockin’ first season and then fell apart after that….

  74. 74
    Kate
    Posted October 21, 2005 at 8:54 pm

    For those who say it might be Walt with the teddy bear…..isn’t he a bit old for a teddy bear? I mean, unless they were threatening him to carry it, I really feel like he wouldn’t be like “Hey, a teddy bear! I’m gonna carry that around on a rope!” especially after all the attitude he gave his dad the first season.

  75. 75
    debkaai
    Posted October 22, 2005 at 12:28 pm

    I thought that Kate wanted to read the messages from the bottle to see if anyone “ratted” her out as a fugitive. The Sawyer comment was just a cover-up. She was all freaked out last year when she couldn’t go on the raft. I don’t buy into the Ana Lucia and Sawyer thing…ugh! I think Sawyer is opportunistic and was trying to lighten her up. Michael has been getting on my last nerve forever. I wanted him to go rather than poor Boone. And I hope that Shannon sticks around. She’s way less annoying than she used to be. I read an article about her and she’s like a brainiac. She just bought a house in Hawaii so her family can come visit.

  76. 76
    Jill
    Posted October 22, 2005 at 4:53 pm

    Diana, Kate and Ana in cahoots, sounds good to me. Another explanation for Ana’s bitchiness could be that she was another marshal on the plane. She is very copp/soldier like.

  77. 77
    Sick-Boy
    Posted October 22, 2005 at 6:32 pm

    Also, Ana-Lucia used the term “coming out” when she was in the hole with Jin, Sawyer, and Michael. Total prison lingo.

    Re: The Commercials — there aren’t any more or less than any other hour-long show. They’re still 44 minutes each. It’s just that the commercials in LOST (and DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES and GRAY’S ANATOMY) don’t come in the same standard intervals as every other show. People who complain about this are like trained little monkeys, thrown by the slightest change in their surroundings.

  78. 78
    Angry Monkey
    Posted October 23, 2005 at 3:01 pm

    Will no one address the “Destiny Book” that Jin’s room-mate consulted? It seemed to incorporate the same I Ching symbols (or one of them, anyway) as the Dharma logos.

  79. 79
    Diana
    Posted October 24, 2005 at 3:50 am

    Angry Monkey: Good catch on the I Ching symbol on the book.

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    BC
    Posted October 24, 2005 at 12:22 pm

    Regarding commercials, sick-boy, and trained little monkeys…
    It’s not the total length of the commercials that bothers me. I realize that commercial TV is there because of and for the advertisers. But isn’t it more monkey-like to accept an increased amount of ad breaks that disrupt the show and highlight the tedious conventions of the writing, rather than recognize that these breaks interfere with whatever dramatic flow the show has managed?
    I guess it’s just my impatience with commercial TV in general; the best television produced in the last 5 years has been on HBO, and I’d rather pay the subscription fee than be inundated by car commercials and promos for Freddie.

  81. 81
    Poloman
    Posted October 24, 2005 at 12:24 pm

    In the words of Homer Simpsons Yearbook Quote, slightly changed for this ocassion of course, all I can say is:
    “I CAN’T BELIEVE I READ THE WHOLE THING”

    I really love this show, and unlike DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES, this show is moving along quite well in my opinion.

  82. 82
    suebee
    Posted October 24, 2005 at 1:52 pm

    USA Today had a story recently about commercial time. It’s been on the increase in recent years and it’s not regulated. One thing that shows like Lost and Desperate Housewives have done is go to a 6-act format. That means five commercial breaks instead of the three you have would with a 4-act show. Also, instead of putting a commercial block between shows, they go straight from one show to another. The article also noted the use of recaps at the beginning of the show and the previews at the end, further decreasing the time spent on that week’s show.

  83. 83
    Noonan
    Posted October 24, 2005 at 11:35 pm

    BC (#70) – I feel your pain. I did marathon viewings of early seasons of 24 and was never able to watch it live again!

  84. 84
    Himay
    Posted October 25, 2005 at 5:27 am

    The Teddy bear DID belong to Walt. Michael gave it to him when he went to pick Walt up after his mother died. Go back to season one guys!!

  85. 85
    Laughing Crow
    Posted October 25, 2005 at 8:26 pm

    Did anyone comment on the fact that Mr. Echo called the dead Other’s guy that Jin fell into on his tumble down the hill, “Goodwin”? I did not notice anyone else mentioning that (if someone did, excuse me). Does anyone want to comment on that? How did the Ana Lucia group of survivors get acquainted enough with the Others to know that one of their names (the dead guy)was “Goodwin”? Perhaps he was one of the Flight 815 survivors? Incidentally, I think the dog is going to be the one to die. Is it female or male, I forget?

  86. 86
    Patrick
    Posted October 25, 2005 at 9:47 pm

    I also watched 24 in marathon sessions, and watching live tv is basically impossible now. The best solution is Tivo, although you can’t Tivo in Hi-Def, which sucks. Just Tivo it and start watching about 30 minutes in. You will be caught up in no time, and skip all the commercials!

    BTW, the Lost posts brought me to tvgasm and now I read them all. My whole night is Tivo and gasm…thanks for making me fat :)

  87. 87
    Cat
    Posted October 26, 2005 at 6:04 pm

    Himay, I thought michael gave him a polar bear stuffed animal

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    Tens
    Posted October 26, 2005 at 11:52 pm

    I’ve thought from the very begining Michael is going to end up with Sun. I think Jin is going to get killed off and the crybaby, pussy Michael is going to “take care” of Sun. The writers better not do that crap, I will have to stop watching. I HATE MICHAEL. What a douche bag.

  89. 89
    TV Junkie
    Posted November 2, 2005 at 2:13 pm

    thanks for the recap!

    “I hope Walt either gets found or dies really soon because if I have to hear that moron run around ands scream “WALT!” one more time I’m gonna lose it. Basically his ENTIRE plan is to run of by himself into the woods, and just scream the kids name. No wonder he lost custody. He’s a freaking idiot.”

    EdHill you make me laugh out loud

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