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Thursday, April 12, 2007
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I don’t normally talk to my television. Honest.
Last night though… Granted, it was only two words, but in those two syllables, I think that I really got through to my tv. We seemed to come to a new understanding in that moment. Last night, after that very brief conversation, my television, and more specifically, Lost, did something that I’ve been begging it to do for months.
Nope, it didn’t show me a better lit, topless version of last week’s mud wrestling.
It gave me ANSWERS.
Not just questions dressed up in answer-ish clothing, although there were some of those too. Actual, “This is how…” answers. Not a lot of answers, but more than I expected.
I was so surprised that I forgot to talk to it about the mud wresting thing.
Oh, the two words I said to my television? Keep reading…
This week, we pick up some time after where we left off. The little group of Jack, Kate, Sayid and Juliette are trekking back across the island to the beach camp. Obviously, they’ve left the perimeter mystery fence behind. For everyone who wondered just how they’d get back over it on the return trip, we can only guess that Juliette let them through with her code. A lot of folks also wondered whether or not the beach gang would pull up stakes and move into Otherville once they learned about it and the fact that the Others have abandoned it. I’d say that Juliette will probably do her best to save her fence activation code as a hole card. Just a guess, but I’d say it’s pretty likely.
After a while, Sayid suggests that they use the remaining light to set up camp. Jack offers to gather fire wood and Kate volunteers herself, leaving Sayid and Juliette alone. As they gather wood for the fire, Kate asks Jack about his week with the Others. He reminds her about the deal he made with Ben to get off the island.
“Kept my head down, did what I was supposed to, didn’t ask any questions.”
The Jack we’ve all come to know and love.
Back at the makeshift camp, Juliette feels Sayid’s eyes on her.
“Okay. Let’s have it.”
“I want to know what you people are doing on this island. Why you’re terrorizing us. Making lists. Kidnapping children. I want to know everything.”
(*Conversations with inanimate objects side note. THIS was the moment I mentioned earlier. I actually spoke to my television. Along with probably a million or more other Lost fans, I actually said “ME TOO!” out loud. Really loud. With glee. Lots of glee. While dozens of other thoughts flashed through my mind right then, like “Why the Hell Jack never asked her that, the “ME TOO!” just ran over all the other thoughts and jumped out of my mouth. While I may not have convinced the tv to provide all the answers I’m looking for, I was just SO happy to have one of the characters ask the questions we all ask, and ask someone who might actually be able to answer some of them!*)
“But the first thing I’d like to know is: Who are you?”
Juliette and her sister drive up to a gated building, where Ethan and Mr. Alpert meet her. Turns out it’s a little known airport, with high enough security that Juliette has to say goodbye to her sister at the gate. Her sister’s cancer is in remission, she’s pregnant thanks to Juliette’s research and since the contract that Juliette has agreed to is only for six months, she should be back long before Rachel is ready to give birth.
Be honest, does this remission make me look fat?
The gate closes slowly as Juliette’s sister watches from the other side of the bars.
No symbolism there.
Back at the campsite, Juliette composes herself and answers “If I told you who I was, if I told you everything that I know, you’d kill me.”
“What do you think I’ll do if you don’t?”
I’ve never wanted to hug an Iraqi man so bad in my life.
(*Dialogue side note. “If I told you who I was”, not “If I tell you who I am”. I’m guessing that experienced interrogator Sayid will notice this odd word usage. It’s odd enough that he’d take note of it and wonder about the person she used to be.*)
Just then, Jack returns with the firewood and warns Sayid to leave Juliette alone.
“Sooner or later, she’ll answer my questions.”
“She’ll answer your questions when she’s ready. And you’ll wait until she is. She’s under my protection.”
Considering the look that Sayid shoots him, it looks like the predicted leadership struggle with Sawyer isn’t the only challenge in Jack’s future. Kate didn’t seem very impressed either.
At the beach camp, Charlie hears Aaron crying and is concerned when Claire sleeps through the racket. When he gets her to wake up, she’s under the weather, so Charlie takes Aaron and lets her get some rest.
Sayid leads the group through the undergrowth at a clip. Juliette hangs with her protector, and the two do their best to keep up with the angry interrogator. She is realistic about the amount of time it will take to change the hearts and minds of the group she’s about to join.
“My people kept Sayid chained to a swing set for three days, then I dragged Kate into the jungle, handcuffed myself to her and lied about it. How much time do you think they need?”
“We’ll be back to our beach in a couple of hours, they should be over it by then.”
At the airport, we see a sign for “Herarat Aviation”.
(*Anagram side note. The obvious, Her A Rat and the less obvious “Ah, I treat ovarian” were the best I could come up with*)
As Juliette has her vital signs taken by Ethan, Mr. Alpert pours a glass full of orange juice and makes no secret of adding a packet full of white powder to the drink. When he offers it to her, she asks what it is that she’d be drinking.
“That is orange juice with a considerable amount of tranquilizer mixed in.”
It seems that the trip to the mystery destination can be “kind of intense.”
When she tells the two men that she was “Fine with signing all of your paperwork, fine with agreeing to not talk to anyone in my life for six months, fine with the fact that no one in the medical community has ever heard of Mittelos Bioscience,” implying that she isn’t “fine” with drinking a big glass of date rape, instead of getting defensive about all the secrecy, Alpert asks simply “Why were you fine with all of those things?”
He figures that down deep, she knows that this isn’t just a job opportunity, but a chance to be involved with something very special.
“You took a woman, your own sister, whose reproductive system was ravaged by chemotherapy, who was sterile and made her pregnant. You created life where life wasn’t supposed to be. That’s a gift, Juliette.”
Um…that’s the kind of gift Dr. Frankenstein had…
“You have a gift. Now don’t you feel you’re meant to do something significant with it…”
As he expounds on the virtues that he thinks that Juliette perceives, she proves him right by downing the entire glass of juice in one shot.
Im not lying, you’re breath. . .it’s just atrocious. Its like you ate a dead animal
crapped it out, ate that, puked it up then gargled the vomit.
“Um…you probably shouldn’t have drunk that so fast…”
When she wakes up, she’s strapped to a cot, but it isn’t long before Ethan comes along and releases her.
“Sorry I had to strap you in, but the last leg is always a little bumpy.” Juliette discovers that she’s actually in a submarine and that the submarine is tied to a simple looking dock, somewhere tropical. As she gets her bearings, Ben walks up and introduces himself. They shake hands and Ben leads her off the dock to her new life.
(*Head scratching side note. What could possibly make a submarine ride “bumpy”? I smell more ammunition for my oft mentioned “Island in a Bottle” theory.*)
On the beach, Claire, looking like death in a sweater, walks up to the group that is taking care of Aaron, looking for aspirin for her pounding headache. Sawyer in a seriously uncharacteristic moment offers to fetch her some, presumably from his own personal stash. As he heads off to the Dharmacy (*thanks LB*), he spots Jack emerging from the jungle, followed by Kate and Sayid.
A big, happy reunion takes place, with everyone dropping whatever they were doing to welcome the wayward castaways back to the beach. Hurley’s in there, giving away those big, sweaty man hugs like candy and even Sawyer is happy enough to see Doctor J. that they share their very own man hug. I know girls who would sell their husbands for a chance to be the meat in that sandwich.
Speaking of community property, Kate shares a tender moment with Sawyer, which gets rudely interrupted when Sawyer notices Juliette standing outside the warmth of the group hug.
Later on, Hurley joins Juliette as she sits quietly on the beach.
“I don’t remember you from the dock, where you put bags on our heads, after you shocked us.”
“I had the day off.”
Hmm, wonder who’s been hoarding the food?
Hurley’s good nature slips just a little during their conversation.
“The last one of you guys that came over here, Ethan? He kidnapped Claire and Charlie got upset. We buried him over there.” That’s the closest the big man has ever come to saying something mean to anyone. He even managed to work in a veiled threat, although I’m not sure that threatening to sic Charlie on her is really the best way to intimidate her…
In an operating room, presumably in the “Staff” station, judging by the insignia on his scrubs, Ethan looses a patient on the table as Juliette looks on..
We need 30cc’s of cliche one hour drama
“blood on surgeon mask scenes” stat!
Goodwin does his best to comfort her. She leaves and Ben finds her staring out at the surf.
“It was Sabine’s choice to get pregnant. She knew she was taking a risk.”
Apparently, the women on the island can’t carry a baby to term. Juliette’s theory is that whatever the problem is, it happens at conception and the only way she can prove that it to take a woman off the island, back to Miami and start a pregnancy there. Ben absolutely forbids it. When Juliette plays the “My sister will be giving birth soon” card, he counters with the revelation that her sister’s cancer has returned and she won’t survive the pregnancy. He even has documentation with him to prove it to her.
Convenient, don’t you think?
He promises that if Juliette stays and finishes her work, Jacob will personally cure Rachel’s cancer.
“Jacob said that he would take care of it himself. Unless, of course, you don’t have faith in him.” Judging by the look on Juliette’s face and the fact that we know that she stays, she obviously does have great faith in Jacob, whoever the list maker turns out to be.
In another shocking moment in Lost history, the entire group is meeting to talk about recent developments. Can it be? They’re actually going to share information and experiences before something that one of them knows about turns up and bites someone else in the ass?
I don’t believe it.
They’re discussing the new addition to the camp, and what they should do about her. Sawyer has the “wacky idea” to “sic our resident Iraqi on her. Let him do what he does.”
“No. I don’t do that anymore.”
“Well, ain’t that convenient.”
Jack tries to convince them to give her some time before hammering her with questions, but everyone else is distrustful enough that they want to press the issue.
“The fact that I trust her should be enough.”
“It’s not.”
Dexter changes the subject before Jack and Sayid’s disagreement can drive them to contest tribal leadership. He wants to know where Locke has gone. This leads to the revelation that Locke destroyed what might have been the only way off the island and that Jack was going to be allowed to leave as payment for saving Ben’s life. Sawyer isn’t impressed by the fact that Jack saved Ben at all.
“Should have let that bug-eyed bastard die.”
Kate tries to diffuse the situation by reminding Sawyer that Jack performed the life saving surgery to keep both the her and Sawyer from being summarily executed.
“Something you want to ask me, Sawyer?”
“Yeah, Jack, I want to ask why you’re fighting every single one of us and stickin’ up for one of them.”
Ooh, now Sawyer is getting on the “anyone but Jack for president” train. Is it possible? Are we about to see a coup d’island? Could my series long dream of someone other than Jack finally being put in charge be about to come true?
Nope. Claire shows up just in the nick of time and proceeds to faint and bleed all over the meeting before anything productive can happen, giving Jack a chance to regain some of his prestige by doing some doctoring.
Damn it, Claire. You just couldn’t be more annoying if you were sand in my undies.
As they carry Claire back to her tent, Juliette asks “What happened to her?”
Sun translates Jin’s response.
“He says: ‘What do you care?’” Jin’s English is improving. Sun’s recently developed bitchy streak is keeping pace.
Juliette runs to Kate, begging her to go get Jack so she can talk to him.
“…I think I know what’s wrong with Claire.”
“Why?”
“Because I did it to her.”
This last produces results. The newly formed Sawyer/Sayid Island Reform Coalition watches in disgust as Jack consults with the tribe’s newest addition.
“Givin’ you a bad feelin’ in your stomach?” Sayid can only nod.
Juliette explains to Jack and Kate that Claire is suffering from withdrawal, as a drug that Juliette designed to keep her alive through the last stages of her pregnancy leeches from her system. According to the Other Dr. J., all the pregnancies on the island result in the death of the mother before the child can be born. Until Claire.
Here come some of those answers I mentioned.
Juliette explains how Ethan infiltrated the camp and started taking blood samples from Claire.
That sheds light on the “nightmares” that Claire had shortly before she was kidnapped. Ethan was responsible and she wasn’t just dreaming.
The samples showed that Claire was suffering the same symptoms that Juliette had seen in other pregnancies, so they set about trying to save her, but Hurley’s census uncovered the fact that Ethan wasn’t originally on the plane, forcing him to improvise and snatch Claire out of the camp. He did it on his own, apparently without sanction from the Others, and despite the criminal means employed, Ethan saved Claire’s life by making sure she got the injections of Juliette’s magic serum.
The flashback that happens while she’s talking sheds light on the fact that Hurley has somehow gained weight on the Dharma Diet.
Burley Hurley
If they let her, Juliette can save Claire, but they have to trust her.
“Jack, I can fix this, I just need the serum. Ethan kept a stash of medical supplies near the cave where he used to live. If I go, right now, I can be back before it’s too late.”
“Do it.”
The next scene seems to answer the “Were Ben and Juliette intimate?” question some folks have been asking. Turns out that Juliette was intimate with a dish of ice cream. Oh, and Goodwin.
A knock at the door brings a set of x-rays to Juliette. The infamous spinal tumor has come to light just one day before Juliette will have been on the island for three years. She heads over to Ben’s to break the news.
“I was just finishing ‘Carrie’. Still don’t know why you picked it, but boy, is it depressing.”
Speaking of depressing…
“You have a tumor.”
Considering that cancer is unheard of in their little community, Ben is understandably surprised when Juliette tells him he has a tumor.
“Well, you’ve just told me that I have cancer, Juliette, of course I’m surprised.”
“No, I told you that you had a tumor.”
She makes this semantic distinction because Ben told her that no one on the island ever had cancer. He made her believe that they had cured her sister of her cancer. Ben’s cancer makes her think that he lied to her, which he vehemently denies.
“I told you the truth. I gave you my word.”
Juliette begs him to let her go home, but he won’t. Or can’t. Or both.
Back in the jungle, Juliette finds a tree marked with a strange symbol.
(*Trivia side note. Thanks to Wesb for giving me the head’s up that this symbol seems to be the Cyrillic letter “Zhe”. Hmm…a Cyrillic letter? Was Ethan Russian? Are there any Russians on the island? Hmm…*)
(Continuity side note. Juliette and Jack had their “magic serum” talk by torchlight. Juliette finds the tree in full daylight. How frikkin’ far from camp was Ethan stashing this stuff?*)
She finds a case at the base of the tree, but just as she’s about to check the contents, the new SSIRC (Sawyer/Sayid Island Reform Coalition ) shows up and interrupts. The two men have her back away from the case as she tries to explain that it contains only medical supplies for Claire and that Jack knows all about it.
“Jack ain’t here right now, is he?”
Sayid reminds her of her earlier statement. “You said earlier, if you told me everything you knew, I’d kill you. I’m going to test the validity of that statement.”
“You know, it’s interesting that you two are now the camp’s moral police.”
She side tracks the two men by bringing up their less than saintly pasts. She points out that Sayid’s past is full of screaming torture victims and that Sawyer’s last significant act before leaving Australia was to kill a man in cold blood.
(*Other omniscience side note. Seeing as how they know about Sawyer’s run in with the unfortunate shrimp vendor that he was mislead into believing was the man who destroyed his family, and seeing as how Sawyer was deported by the authorities for brawling in a bar, rather than being tried by said authorities for murder, it follows that the Others know more about this incident than the cops. I sense the imminent return of Agent Doggett…er, the T1000, er…Sawyer’s buddy there, the con man who brought him the info on shrimp guy. Either that or the whole thing was actually the fault of Proto-Sawyer, better known as Cooper and Juliette learned of it from him…*)
“I’m taking that medication back to Claire, and you’re going to let me. Because if she doesn’t get it, she’s gonna die. And the last thing either of you need right now is more blood on your hands.”
Isn’t medication like this normally stored in a refrigerator? How long could a serum like this last, sitting in a case under a tree in the tropics?
Back in Juliette’s home away from home, a familiar tune comes out of Juliette’s cd player. We see her relive the moments leading up to the arrival of Flight 815 on the island. We again see Ben place Ethan and Goodwin as survivors among those fortunate enough to survive.
Ben takes Juliette on a walk, so they can talk about something important. He takes her to see Mikhail at the communications station.
At the station, they learn that Mikhail already has a number of details about the plane that “fell out of the sky” (*Odd choice of words, don’t you think?*) and is working on detailed dossiers on all the passengers.
Since it’s obvious that the communications station allows them fairly normal real time access to the outside world, now we have a pretty good idea how the Others knew so much about the survivors. Google!
Yep, it’s true. The Dharma initiative includes its very own TVgasm branch.
Ben is also interested in uplinking to Richard in Acadia park. Richard sends them a real time feed, including a shot of that day’s newspaper to show that the shot is live. The shot is of Rachel and a child, who she named “Julien”. It seems that Ben wasn’t a liar after all. When he cuts the feed, he instructs Richard to return, as they may have some new visitors.
When Juliette again begs to be allowed to go home, Ben reminds her that leaving is not part of their agreement. She is to stay until her work is complete.
“It’s impossible. The mothers keep dying.”
“Then we’ll find more mothers. Who knows? Maybe there’s even one on that plane.”
Juliette returns with the medication. Charlie objects to Juliette injecting Claire. This from a guy who, after the Dharma food drop, gave the new mom a case full of unmarked and unidentified serum and an injector gun and suggested that it would be a good idea if she use it on her baby.
Jack forces Charlie to back off by playing on they Brit’s trust of him and his good intentions. He warns the Other Dr. J. that if the injection doesn’t work, he will no longer be able to protect her. She’ll be on her own.
“I’m already on my own, Jack.”
The injection is given and in reasonably short order, Claire comes around. Crown a new camp hero…
Jack’s face is on the Hurley diet.
The group even offers a lean to that they’ve been using for shade for her to use for a temporary shelter.
“They’re good people. They’re willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but eventually, they’re gonna need some answers.”
“Here, now look quickly. . .Am I doing The Amazing Race PhilEye?”
“Why don’t you? You keep talking about them. Why don’t I ever have to explain myself to you?”
“You were there. Standing right next to me when that submarine exploded. In that moment, I saw it in your eyes. You want to get off this island more than anything else in the world. That makes you one of us.”
Jack is such a good judge of character.
Flash to Juliette and Ben sitting at a table.
“And what if they ask ‘Who is Kaiser Sose?’”
“Let’s go over it again.”
“I know what to do.”
“Let’s go over it again, just to be sure.”
“I drag Austen out into the jungle, handcuff myself to her, then tell her I was gassed just like she was.”
“And if she catches you in the lie?”
“I’ll admit to it. Tell her it was the only way to earn her trust.”
“Good. What then?”
“They’ll take me back to the beach. I know you want me to go there, but after everything we’ve done to them, it’s going to be a problem.”
“We’ve activated the implant in Claire. She should be symptomatic within the next 48 hours. By the time you get to that camp, you’ll have a nice big crisis to solve.”
So, now we know that Juliette actually is a mole after all. This particular answer comes with at least one question in the box with it though. Ben sent her as an agent for him, using the crisis with Claire as a way of helping his operative gain the camp’s trust. Assuming his ploy works, we’re still left wondering where Juliette’s loyalties ultimately lie. Jack was right about her wanting to go home more than anything in the world. We have a pretty fair idea that she’d betray any of the survivors to fulfill that wish, but would she risk betraying Ben?
Ben’s last words to Juliette before they part company?
“See you in a week.”
Me and my tv need to have a nice long talk tonight.
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Excellent recap, GB, as usual.
I was hoping in that last scene that we would find out whether Juliet’s flashcards-on-the-TV scene with Jack was actually planned — I mean, I don’t think so, but one never knows.
Ideas?
I also said two words to my tv last night, shouted them actually. “YOU BITCH!!”
And, still, I love her.
My hatred for Jack grows stronger each week. Just because Juliet wants to go home, he’s going to put blind trust in her? After everything the Others have done to him and the rest of the survivors? How quickly he forgets how willing he was to give Ben the benefit of the doubt when he was still trapped in the hatch, saying his name was Henry Gale. And look where that got him. The depths of his idiocy amaze me.
I LOVE that Sawyer and Sayid are now BFFs. Hopefully they can restore order and beat that bitch’s ass.
Wonder how many episodes it’s going to take for us to learn what exactly she’s supposed to be doing in that week at the camp??
Also, it seems like next week’s episode is Desmond-centric. Maybe we’ll finally get some answers about the two guys who called Penny at the end of last season…
Just a quick note.
I found a couple of anagrams elsewhere on the net after posting this.
Herarat anagrams to “Earhart” as in Amelia.
Herarat Aviation anagrams to “A variation Earth”.
Never claimed “wordsmith” on my resume…
Best episode in quite awhile.
Here is my theory about Juliet’s sister
Her cancer never came back. Ben took a calculated risk that the cancer would not come back so he could then claim that he (or Jacob?) cured it. Voila – Juliet stays on the island and you have the proof of a promise kept when the sister is “cured” of her returned cancer.
Here is what I think of Jack’s idiocy
If Jack knows how badly Juliet wants off the island, his dumb ass should probably realize that she would do *anything* to achieve that goal. And since the 815 survivors aren’t going to help her off the island, her allegiance will always lie with those who have the power to give her what she wants. Silly Jack – you are a complete self-righteous dumbass.
First of all, I like that Sawyer has grown into somewhat of a leader and has gained (at least temporarily) some sort of moral compass. He can still be an ass at times, but a likeable ass.
Also, I figure that Juliette will slip up and we might be seeing a return of Sayid’s dark side. At least, that’s what I hope. Go torture!
Another thought that occurs is about Rousseau.
If every pregnancy results in the death of the mother how did Alex happen?
Perhaps something to do with the “incident” or the “purge” is responsible for the pregnancy problem?
Either that or maybe she actually miscarried and really is completely off her postpartum rocker…
i’m so glad they answered the question of whether or not juliette was sent to be with the losties or not.
i think i saw locke in the previews for next week (i could be wrong on that) but if he is there then hopefully we’ll see juliette’s reconnection with the others and why she was sent to the beach.
As usual, another great recap, Greybishop!
This episode provided lots of meaty things to chew on, ponder and discuss. Hopefully, there will be more of this in future episodes….
The first thing that jumped out at me is what was the point of showing Juliete being intimate with Goodwin (other than titilating the males in the audience)? Was this a nod to the viewers who have been speculating that Juliete was married to Ethan and seeking revenge or that she was once married to Ben? Or is there something else to it that I missed?
Another thing I wondered about is, if they were hoping for young women of child bearing age on the plane, why didn’t they keep Kate? Or have they already used their fertility treatment on her and Juliete is going to the Lostie camp to keep an eye on her progress?
And lastly, why did the Others implant something in Claire two months ago to activate at a later date……?
OK. I have a headache now. Time to go.
Wasn’t the symbol on the tree the same thing that was branded on Juliet’s back?
Claire was able to safely birth Aaron because the baby was conceived off the island. Juliette said the problem was conception and that her “subjects” needed to conceive off the island. Claire is no exception to the rule — she doesn’t fit the rule.
The problem for Sun is whether her baby was conceived on the island (by Jin) or off the island (by her bald lover). I suspect this issue is what will drive the Sun/Jin-centric episode in a couple of weeks.
It was made very clear that the woman died b/c of the CONCEPTION on the island.
If the woman was pregnant before she got onto the island then she should be ok.
That’s probably how french lady survived, b/c she was either already pregnant or just plain already had her baby when they got to the island.
As for Sun… we still don’t know if she conceived on or off the island. So she may be screwed, she may not be.. we’re gonna have to wait and see
Juliette is becoming one of my fav chars. She’s just so awesome. I love her little speech to Sayid and Sawyer. Would’ve loved it more if she had kicked their asses (not that I hate either of them.. it just would’ve been great seeing them get beat up by this nonassuming woman).
I think Ben sent her to our group of Losties to investigate more ‘miracles’ to hopefully gain some knowledge as to why the island isn’t curing him of his tumor.
I think Locke might’ve told Ben about Rose and how the island cured her.
Sorry for the follow-up, but the person who is screwed is Kate, if she got knocked-up by Sawyer.
a few thoughts:
1) This was one of the best episodes so far this season. I think it was pretty obvious that Juliet is working with the other’s and it’s unfortunate that Jack’s fallen in love with her and refuses to see it.
2) I’m going to be really, really upset if that whole communications scene was supposed to be the explanation as to why the Others know EVERYTHING about the losties. Some things you can’t just type into Google…like the fact that Sawyer murdered someone in Australia.
3) Where the hell are Rose and her husband? They’ve been gone so long I’ve forgotten his name. Considering a bulk of this episode was about the Island’s magical healing powers (nobody gets cancer here), squeezing Rose in somewhere would have been relevant even though she’s otherwise useless.
4)Speaking of missing cast members, does anyone think we’re going to see Michael and Walt ever again? The fact is, the kid that plays Walt is going to start looking older and older the more seasons this is on the air…I have a feeling we’ll see them in the finale but who knows.
I think Juliette was definitely close to Ethan. … This would be the only way that I could see Juliette doing something really nasty since I feel she is a better person than people think.
Goodwin didn’t survive his encounter with the Losties either. It’s just as likely she is avenging him, especially since, you know, she was in bed with him.
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I’m rewatching the episode right now… and just got to the part where Juliette woke up in the sub and the camera went over the 2 guys sitting at the table.
The black guy does look ALOT like Micheal… can’t really tell though b/c it’s just a quick shot and you only see the side of his head very slightly.
But he has a symbol on his back.
And the symbol looks alot like one of the symbols that appears on the South Korean flag.
I just researched what those symbols mean… and according to one site, the symbol that’s on the Mike lookalikes back is called Kam which means water. All 4 of the line symbols on the flag represent a different state of movement.
Quote from this website
http://www.nationaltangsoodo.org/korean%20flag.htm
“The symbols, called Kwae, in the four corners, mean the principle of movement and harmony. These are Kun meaning heaven, Yi meaning fire, Kam meaning water, and Kon meaning earth. Each of them symbolizes a different state of movement.
To conclude, the symbols, Yin, Yang, Kun, Yi, Kam, and Kon, express the principle of the movement of all objects in the universe and the movement of the universe itself.”
Just thought it was interesting considering that they’re in a sub.. and the guy is wearing a symbol that comes from symbols meaning movement and his meaning water… and blahblahblah…
It’s probably nothing though and I’m looking too much into it hehe
Ok… It can’t be just mere coincidence…. I should’ve watched a bit more before I posted…. the symbol appeared on the sub when she climbed her way out.
Also… if you want to believe that the producers are taking the korean flag symbols… the one meaning Heaven ‘Kun’ is 2 solid lines… watch the part where they’re in the airport building..the airport symbol is definitely 3 solid (if somewhat swishy) lines.
There are still 2 more symbols… Yun which is solid, broken (–), solid that means fire
and Kon all 3 lines are broken which means Earth. I’ll keep watching the episode to see if these symbols pop up as well.
Ok, so here’s my theory. Apparently the season finale is now going to be a Jack-centric episode. Season finale flashback always have a huge baring on the island story so it won’t be some more boring crap about Jack’s wife.
There seems to be a bit of missing time between Jack saving Ben and Jack and Juliet being allowed to leave on the sub. So I think the finale will focus on those missing days in the Others camp when Jack makes a deal with Ben and when the Others gas everyone and leave.
During this time I think we’ll find out that Jack somehow found out about Juliet’s duplicity and that he knew all along that she would betray them. This is why he wasn’t surprised when Kate told him that the Others had left Juliet behind, he already knew they would.
Jack is far too good a judge of character to believe all of Julia’s crap, it seems far too suspicious that he’s willing to ingratiate her into the 815ers camp without having a reason. I think he’s planning something and all will come to a head in the finale.
Any thoughts?
Man, what a bad week I chose to go to bed at 10:30.
Isn’t Jin sterile? Or are we to believe the island cured that? If it did and he impregnated Sun on the island, then Sun would probably be showing some of the problems that occur at conception. Don’t think Jin’s the father of her baby. But that said, she should be showing very soon if she was pregnant when the plane crashed.
Also, the others know Kate and Sawyer got busy in the cage, and Juliet is at the camp to keep an eye on Kate (among other things).
This episode answered a lot of questions about Ethan too. He was acting on his own when he kidnapped Clair and made his threats to kill a member of the beach group every day, and Scott’s death was his fault not an Others mandate.
Great episode! I had chills during quite a few scenes.
And so many comments already!
We still don’t know how Ethan got his super strength, do we? I have a feeling that little dangling plot thread will be forgotten.
I like how the entire episode was spent making Juliet into an extremely sympathetic character, and then it’s all undone in the last few minutes. She sure got over being mad at Ben fast though. Or maybe she’s grateful for him sparing her life.
I can’t wait to find out more about Jacob. Do you all think he’s on the island?
And Ben really trusts Richard (the guy who recruited Juliet). He must be pretty important.
Great recap.
Jack might be using Juliette too. He knows for sure she wants to get off the island more than anything, so he can use that to his advantage later. Afterall, Jack knows that she is up to something secret and he is in on it to some degree.
I love how Sayid and Sawyer are taking bigger leadership roles now.
Or DID it?
So now in addition to being the “stalling show”, it’s become “Jacksus Christ, Superstar”? Ugh.
Great episode! I knew she was a plant. I think she’s there because of Sun, but who knows. Something tells me that after she does whatever she’s going to do to the losties, Jack will be the ex-leader. He tried too hard to protect her, and Sayid, Sawyer, and the rest won’t forget that.
Great recap of what to me was the best episode since the season 2 opener when we got to go down into the hatch for the first time.
Greybishop, I think you may be reading too much into the comments that the last leg of the journey to the island was “bumpy”. Obviously to transfer someone unconscious/asleep from an airplane, down the hatch into a submarine, would be bumpy and would require the person to be secured somehow.
It’s nice to see everyone excited about the show again and not just complaining. The writers have really regained their mojo imo.
I took the pregnant women dying thing as a problem with Juliet’s baby making serum. Maybe her sister was a rare case (we already know she had chemo, so maybe the other drugs in her system fought off whatever problem that’s killing the women on the island). Women who conceive naturally seem to be fine (Danielle, Claire, Sun.. possibly Kate). Ben said the implant would be activated in Claire so the whole “Claire’s sick because of our meds” plan is fake.
I know a lot of people have been bothered by Jack in the past, but he was never that bad to me. But this episode changed that.
I’m also hoping for another Sayid interrogation.
As for Russian people on the island, is Mikhail Russian? I can’t even remember.
Merick, Goodwin & Juliet seem to have super strength, too. Maybe there’s a really great Others gym?
Don’t forget they did some things to Kate when her, Sawyer, and Jack first arrived at the Others place. Remember she had a lot of marks on her hands, and appeared to have gone through a rough time that she didn’t want to talk about. Perhaps they implanted her with something as well knowing that they would have her and Sawyer set up for some baby making?
I don’t think Juliette was sent to find out about Sun, more than likely Ben realizes Jack is sympathetic to Juliette and uses his knowledge of Clair to make Juliette become the new “Ethan”. Also I don’t think the others know that Sun is pregnant because they are under the assumption that she is sterile since that is what the Doctor diagnosed. The doctor only told Sun the truth and we the viewers know but no one else. I definitely think a Sun/Jin finale is in the work with the realization that she is pregnant and Jin is sterile. I’m thinking immaculate conception sorta deal with the Island mysteriously impregnating Sun (I know that sounds far-fetched) which would give more storyline for the next season.
I also don’t think Jack is that dumb, he definitely has a back-up plan, since that is what he always does.
I have a question.
How good did Juliet’s boobs look in this episode?
Sorry, I had to ask that. It was one of the first things that popped into my head when I started watching the other night (I’m actually kinda surprised that they weren’t mentioned in the recap).
OK, that’s out of the way. This was a great episode. I’ll admit I was a bit surprised by the reveal at the end, that everything was so meticulously planned out. Next week’s episode looks intense. I’ll probably have more to add later, but great recap as usual GB!
What could possibly make a submarine ride “bumpy”?
It was actually a spaceship and they’re all on The Moon. Don’t question it! It’s the moon.
Previously I didn’t have an opinion one way or the other about Juliet, but now that I know she’s devious and tricksy, I love her. I hope she murders all of the Losties except Sayid.
Great recap, as always, GB.
You probably figured this out, but the serum wasn’t buried since Ethan; it was only buried since, maybe, the day before, when Ben et al planted it.
I had to sort out what we learned from flashbacks and what we “learned” by Juliet telling Jack. I don’t trust what she said about Ethan acting alone. She was definitely making some stuff up because she hasn’t invented the cure for pregnant mothers yet; therefore, they couldn’t exactly have been trying to save Claire. They haven’t been able to save anyone.
jb196”Love the theory about keeping an eye on Kate and her maybe baby.
I definitely love that we got some answers. All in all, a good episode.
Jordan (18), I dont think that the shots of Mikail’s computers, etc. was a cop-out to make us think he simply Googled for info. on the losties. He probably somehow hacked into Oceanic’s website and got the passenger list; the Others are pretty powerful so from there it wouldn’t have been to hard to contact other members of their organization still living/working in the US, Korea, Australia who could access databases and find out pertinent information about the castaways… why do I think so much about these things? I don’t know.
Anyway, I am really bothered by Jack’s line to Juliet that most of the people at the camp “are willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.” WHAT?! Given everything that has happened, that the Others have done, WHY THE HELL would they give her the benefit of the doubt? I can accept such stupidity from Jack but from the majority of the group? Something’s not right here. I really hope Jack’s playing her and has let some of the other castaways in on it so as to give her a false sense of security. Cause just throwing that line in there makes NO sense given the history of this show.
2 things: Has it already been mentioned that Richard Alpert is also a real person who was working with Timothy Leary on his LSD experiments, and he is now known as Baba Ram Dass, an author and lecturer on spiritual matters?
Secondly, is the sub really a sub> Reference to “bumpy” and “intense” in the dialog, and the thing just looked weird. I don’t know if it was a cheap TV prop, or if it was meant to look that way, i.e., some sort of transporter device. How long was that tranquilizer supposed to last? How long would a sub ride be?
Maybe Ethan meant intense and bumpy b/c of the transfer between a plane and a sub…
When Juliet first said all the mothers were dying, I thought it had something to do with morals and the island – premarital sex is bad, just like killing your stepfather or torturing people. But then Juliet was clearly postcoital with Goodwin, so I’m wondering what kind of contraception they have on the island. I think I read this on another site – maybe Juliet was trying to get pregnant as a way to get off the island – by dying?
Ben said the next few weeks or days will be rough for Kate, why, because she underwent Juliette’s treatment and then Sawyer impregnated her. Why else would they reveal Sawyer has a daughter in flashback? Kate is so preggers! Kate probably made a deal for her freedom with Ben, get pregnant and get off the island. Sun will die from her pregnancy. That or she’ll go with the Others as some wimpy excuse to save Jin.
i posted this a couple weeks ago but rose and bernard are still on the island but the people that play rose and bernard are busy doing other work outstide of LOST, i also read that they are going to have a pretty big storyline next season so hopefull that will make up for the lack of them this season. and walt and his dad might be back next season, the producers were going to bring them back but couldnt get it done in time.
Sun may not have conceived on the island, therefore she may be safe. If Jin did not father the baby, she’d be in the same boat as Claire…who did not die due to pregnancy.
I have a theory. I think Charlie is a mole for the Others. When they kidnapped Claire, they did something to Charlie and he has been working with them the whole time. Somehow, the whole murder of Ethan was part of the plan. Hell, the Russian dude shot Klugh and then said thank you when Locke pushed him to his death. It must not have been a big deal for Charlie. That could also be why he randomly gave her the medicine at the end of Season 2. Maybe the Others did something to him, which is why it was his mission in the Fire and Water episode to “Save the Baby, Charlie!” Perhaps he was the one who even implanted whatever Ben was talking about into Claire. Maybe Desmond’s flashes of him dying have some connection to Ben’s big plan. Also, Charlie was singing a Kinks’ song called “He’s Evil” in an episode last season. On top of that, Charlie has his own flashback episode coming up, I believe the episode before the finale. Coincidence?
I’m sure there must be some holes in my theory, but oh well.
Someone asked about contraception on the island. If anyone knows how to use the rhythm method, I’d think it would be Juliet.
great recap GB, this recap had me laughing out loud about the “big glass of date rape” and the caption about ethan’s breath.
you’re really hitting your stride(even the side notes were cool)
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lady-in-gray #10
seeing juliet in bed with goodwin tipped me off that she really was a mole.
there’s no way she could be on the losties’ side after they killed off both her friend (ethan) and her lover (goodwin).
as someone else said, it would have been really great to know if the whole video flashcard message that she showed jack was also a setup.
the previews made it look like sun is going to get attacked next week.
Great recap, Greybishop. I haven’t laughed at a Lost recap in a long while. (Ah, I treat ovarian! Fantastic.)
One small, slightly picky thing: the spelling and punctuation errors really detract from the nice flow you have going. “You’re” when it was supposed to be “Your”, “Looses” instead of “loses”…sometimes it’s just an extra letter at the end of a word: “They Brit’s trust” instead of “The Brit’s trust”…I know I am going to get criticized for mentioning this, but it really does take away from the otherwise excellent recap.
Thanks!
No problem Beatriz.
I am always happy to hear constructive criticism. It’s a tough balance between speed and edits when I’m writing these.
I wish I could take a few hours and comb through the text for errors that spellcheck doesn’t catch, but I also like to get the thing posted by the end of my workday so it gets posted for everyone by dinner time Thursday. Any editors out there want to volunteer their services?
what a great ep. I felt like I was part of the reunion on the beach hugging my island buddies, celebrating the return of my favorite show!!
great reacap
Greybishop, I volunteer! I am a magazine editor, and I would love to!
BTW, I forgot to mention in my previous post that I completely appreciate your speediness in regards to recap posting and I really, really hated to mention the errors, but just couldn’t help myself.
Beatriz -
That’d be fantastic.
Probably the simplest way to do it would be for me to post it as normal and then have you e-mail me the required changes.
That would maintain the speed factor and still get TVGasm readers the most error free recap possible.
Sound good?
Sounds good.
See you in a week.
Beatriz -
I’ll post an address for you in the comments next week and we’ll go from there. Thanks for volunteering!
Oh, for pete’s sake! I read the recap so fast that I never even see the errors! I am glad it gets out quickly so I can p/u on what I missed–Thanks for the speedy work!!
Rose and Bernard must’ve gone to hang out with the Other kids who we never get to see, either….still waiting for them to turn up looking like “Children of the Corn” or something freaky. Anyway, I digress. Juliette is the kind of girl you love to hate. She has the absolute perfect facial expressions, ESPECIALLY that small, one-sided smirky smirk. It’s nice to see she’s still sided with her Other Brothers.
BTW it seems there’s a Barnes and Noble store on the island, or the Others use Mikhail’s computers to order books from Amazon.com to read for their book club. They should tell Sawyer so he doesn’t have to scrounge around dead passengers’ luggage for reading material ^_^
So since they use Mikhail and his computers to dig up info on the passengers, is that how they decide who is “good” and who is “bad”? Obviously, Kate is an ex-con…so she goes into the “bad” pile. But…is that it?
So since they use Mikhail and his computers to dig up info on the passengers, is that how they decide who is “good” and who is “bad”? Obviously, Kate is an ex-con…so she goes into the “bad” pile. But…is that it?
Was it just me…or did anyone else notice Juliet’s facial expression in the last 3 seconds of the episode? She was tying the roof of her shelter and she looks out (I guess towards the water) and her “smile” (aka smirk) changes into a look of suprise/horror/ohmygod…was it just me that saw that? Any thoughts? Am I reading too much into it?
I believe the purpose for the tranquilizer wasn’t for the “bumpy ride”, but it was because they brought her to the island by a different method and wanted her to believe it was by submarine. If Juliet thinks the submarine is the only way off the island – she will be more likely resigned to being stuck there.
The only way for Ben to convince Juliet to go undercover at the Lostaway camp was for him to tell her that there was another way off the island since the submarine got blown-up. Of course, he won’t tell her that other way off the island until Juliet does what Ben wants.
way more comments once I actually read the recap, but did anyone else notice that when the plane exploded, Ethan came out of a doghouse? so weird.
Jordan: I agree with all your comments
Cody M.: Really? I thought she looked weird and lumpy, it bugged me all episode, I really think it kills part of the ‘Jack being more loyal to Juliet than to Kate’ thing that Kate is like, waaayyyy hotter.
Juliet blows, I hate her.. I never thought for one second that she was even possibly good. And Jack is so stupid, go team sawyer and sayid.
Anonymous #62 -
I think you’re 100% correct and I caught the same change of expression as well. Juliette has the most telling expressions – even just this episode, think back to all of them….my favorite was her ‘holy shit, it worked’ expression after she convinced Sawyer and Sayid to let her have the briefcase. I definitely think she purposely had that look on her face because she looked out/over and saw *something* that worried her and might disrupt whatever assignment she’s on.
Oh – I forgot to mention that this was also the first episode where I shouted something at my television. I believe I screamed “YOU DUMBASS” at Jack when he saved Juliette from answering Sayid’s questions. I don’t care if he trusts Juliette or not – who WOULDN’T want to know the answers to those questions. Which leads me to believe that other posters are right in thinking that Jack has something up his sleeve.
Mallory – Ethan was fixing some pipework on Juliet’s house, so I think that was a little water shed or something (shows how much I know about plumbing), but it did look like a dog house, haha.
I think the ride is so bumpy since they go through some space/time continuum and then pop out via Ben’s “magic box!”
or else they just claim its a bumpy ride so they can sedate her, so she won’t see how or where they really travel
Jin’s line to Juliet(translated by Sun): what do you care? was the best line of the episode!
Mallory: maybe I just wasn’t paying enough attention, I didn’t think she looked weird and lumpy. Actually, I really only mentioned it because she showed a lot of cleavage in this ep, and I wondered what others would say if I brought it up. Because, yes, I definitely noticed. (I did sound a little too excited in my post earlier, I will acknowledge)
And I do think that Evangiline is hotter, too.
“…even Sawyer is happy enough to see Doctor J. that they share their very own man hug. I know girls who would sell their husbands for a chance to be the meat in that sandwich.”
That’s fantastic! Made me laugh out loud here at work, and I would be one of the first girls to shoot their hand up volunteering for that position. =)
“…even Sawyer is happy enough to see Doctor J. that they share their very own man hug. I know girls who would sell their husbands for a chance to be the meat in that sandwich.”
That’s fantastic! Made me laugh out loud here at work, and I would be one of the first girls to shoot their hand up volunteering for that position. =)