Big twist this week. No, not how late the recap is… Instead of a flash forward or flash back scenario, Lost fans were given both in the same episode. There were some clues (five by my count) that might have tipped off observant viewers as to this little bit of temporal-trickery, but most of us were taken in by the ruse.
So…if the writers pulled us in with the time twisting, does that make us all a bunch of clock suckers?

The smoke monster gave me a cold sore.
This week’s episode was all about Sun’s child and her pregnancy. Before we delve into that, I want to restate my conviction that the baby is NOT Jin’s and that Sun is well aware of that. Juliet tells her that the baby is about 8 weeks along and therefore conceived “On Island”. Tracking back from that day, 8 weeks before, Sun and Jin were barely on speaking terms, let alone baby making terms. If my Lost calculations are correct, the supposed date of conception would be only a few days before Sun reveals her English skills to the group, a time when she and Jin were isolated from the group when Jin was still a controlling bastard.
It’s possible they had sex at that time, but it seems unlikely under the circumstances of communal living with Jin being so concerned with his wife’s propriety. Juliet would have no way of knowing that and it is my theory that she is using Sun’s pregnancy (a conception which I believe occurred “Off Island” and therefore poses no threat to Sun) as a card in a game she’s playing against Ben.
This week’s episode starts with an odd exchange between Lapidus and Keamy. Apparently, they have some sort of appointment, one for which Lapidus is not to be late. Before the meeting though, Lapidus has to deliver some food to their guests.
Outside of the cabin he’s heading for, he finds Regina sitting, reading a book. Oddly, Regina’s book is upside down. A fact she corrects without comment.

It’s just another fake autobiography Oprah endorsed. Who gives?
(*Lost Bookclub Sidenote: Regina is reading “Survivors of the Challenger” by Jules Verne. The book details the fate of a group of people on a ship that catches fire and runs aground on a reef, among other misfortunes. A raft is constructed as the re-floated ship slowly sinks and the survivors float aimlessly in the sea, dying by ones and twos. All sorts of fun stuff happens, including a character going mad and killing himself, and folks getting eaten by sharks…and each other. Lots and lots of possible Lost parallels, making at least a trip to the wiki, if not finding a copy of the book, worth the effort.*)
(*Upside Down Sidenote: In literature and theatre, if an object or symbol is pointedly shown upside down, there is usually a good reason. Often an upside down object is meant to indicate that the obviously important placement of it is actually a red herring and means nothing. Equally likely is the possibility that the object is meant to be interpreted in an inverted way, such as a mirror image of one of the characters or plot lines in a book. Beyond indicating that Regina is distracted, it could be that placing the book upside down is meant to point out that it is indeed a red herring. It is also possible that the writers intended the audience to be aware of the book and plan to use an inversion of the plot or one of the characters in some way.*)
In the cabin, Lapidus asks after Desmond’s health as he delivers the food. When Sayid asks why the two of them are being held as captives, Lapidus explains that the captain is angry because they broke out of the sickbay and into the comm room.
Sayid protests that they didn’t “bust out” since the door was left open, presumably by Lapidus.
“Why the hell would I do that?”

Um, cuz you’re a Barbara Hershey fan, maybe? Beaches has gotten me out of more than one mess, buddy.
Sayid changes tacks and asks if the freighter folk have had any luck contacting their people on the beach, but apparently not. Lapidus dumps some lima beans out of the bag he was carrying and makes to leave.
(*Yuck Sidenote: Lima beans? Wasn’t he supposed to bring food?*)
It seems that the problems on the ship extend to the galley as well as the comm room.
(*Landlubber Sidenote: Only a flyboy like Lapidus would call the ship’s galley a “Kitchen”.*)
“I still want to talk to the captain.”
“No, you don’t.”
Back on the beach, Sun expresses her concern to Jin about how long Sayid and Desmond have been gone. Jin casually dismisses the delay and changes the subject to baby names. She doesn’t want to jinx the baby by naming her too early but Jin insists and tells her that he thinks the baby is a girl and he wants to name her “Ji Yeon”. Sun asks that they leave off naming the baby until they get off the island, which Jin agrees to.
In apartment or hotel, Sun packs a small bag with a toothbrush. Coming out of the bathroom, we see the television showing a Korean dubbed version of Nikki’s old show, Expose. Apparently, Expose has the same effect on Sun as it did on me because shortly after seeing it, she is in enough pain to warrant a call to emergency services. At last, a solution to the island pregnancy problem! Don’t expose the women to Expose!
On a Korean street, Jin (Clue #1 – I’ll explain later) locates a toy store and runs in, desperately searching for a panda, which he is unable to find. Finally a clerk helps him find it. In ringing it up, Mr. Nosey Clerk asks if Jin is heading to the maternity ward with the panda, which he is. Our man Jin doesn’t yet know if the baby in question is a boy or a girl.
Just then, Jin’s enormous cell phone (Clue #2) rings. He’s on his way!

Clue number three, he also bought a scrunchie.
On the beach, Sun wakes Jin to the news that Kate and Jack are back. When Jin asks what happened, Kate asks him if she means before or after Charlotte knocked her unconscious. Kate explains that Charlotte may not have wanted to explain why she was on her way to a poison gas factory.
“Juliet told Jack that it was a power station.”
“Why would Juliet lie about that?”
“Force of habit?”
Sun wonders why the two newbies were headed to a poison gas factory. Kate explains that they deactivated it, possibly hoping to earn some brownie points with the group.
(*Um…what? Sidenote: How does sneaking off without telling anyone in ANY way indicate that the newbies were looking to score points with the group? If anything, it seems they were trying to keep the whole thing secret. I think Charlotte hit Kate harder than she thought.*)
Sun asks Kate if she thinks that the freighter group is going to rescue them.
“In all the time they’ve been here they’ve talked about a lot of things, and none involved rescuing us.”
In their little guest cabin, Desmond awakes to see Sayid eating out of one of the lima bean cans.
“I hope they resolve their kitchen issues.”
(*Galley Sidenote: Obviously, Sayid was never in the Iraqi Navy! It’s a galley for cryin’ out loud!*)
As he puts the beans aside, a note slips through a vent in the door. Sayid retrieves it and shows it to Desmond.
DON’T TRUST THE CAPTAIN
They’re on a boat.
There are two of them in the room.
Water is wet.
Lima beans are disgusting.
Oops, I’m sorry. I thought “DON’T TRUST THE CAPTAIN” was the first round in a game of “State the patently obvious.”
Considering that they’re locked up without cause and being fed only lima beans, this warning seems to go pretty much without saying. I won’t bother guessing the identity of their “friend” on the boat. I will state with reasonable certainty that he or she is a complete idiot.
On the beach, Sun takes a refreshingly direct approach. She walks up to Daniel, introduces herself, tells him she’s pregnant and then asks him point blank if his group is going to rescue them. When he hesitates, she presses.
“It’s a simple question.”
“The thing is… um, it’s not really my call, Sun.”

Let me be, woman. I’m trying to fix the gd garage door opener. Why are these things so damn useless?
“Then whose call is it?”
When he doesn’t answer, she has her answer. She thanks him and walks away.
Jin and Jack are discussing Jin’s improving English over breakfast when Sun runs up. Jack asks after her health and reminds her to ask if she needs him. He moves on.
In Korean Sun tells Jin to do as she says and not ask questions. Naturally, the first thing he does is ask a question.
“What’s the matter?”
“You need to find food for two days. Meet me at the tent in twenty minutes.”
“Why? What’s happened?” Um…Jin? That’s two more questions, buddy.
“We’re going to Locke’s camp.”
In the camp’s makeshift infirmary, Sun is rooting through the medical supplies when Juliet finds her there. Juliet asks her what she’s doing and after an uncomfortable interrogation about why Sun suddenly needs more pre-natal vitamins when she should have plenty left, Sun finally tells Juliet that she and Jin are going to Locke’s camp because they don’t trust the two from the freighter. Juliet warns her that staying on the island in her condition is a death sentence, but Sun has the evidence of her eyes that Claire’s baby and Claire are fine and she feels fine so far. All she has is Juliet’s word that something will happen if she stays on the island.
“I’m going to do what’s best for me and for my baby, because, no, I don’t trust you.”
Sun takes the vitamins from Juliet and storms off.
As Sun is wheeled into a hospital, her status as one of the Oceanic Six is mentioned by one of the nurses. Shortly thereafter, a nurse tries to take her wedding ring off, a standard practice with all jewelry due to the swelling that Sun is bound to experience. She’s not very happy about it and fights as best she can. Just then, a doctor arrives and reassures her that everything will be alright. Her regular Doctor is away at a conference, but he’s ready to pinch hit. She asks if something is wrong with her baby and he tells her that it is in distress. As the injected pain medication takes hold, she asks after Jin and the Doctor gives instructions for the nurse to try to reach him.
(*Suspicious Sidenote: Veteran Lost fans were paying just a little more attention to this exchange, since we’ve come to be suspicious of ANYONE who is out of the ordinary. With Sun’s regular Doctor being away, poor old Dr. Bae is immediately under the microscope. In fact, I think that the substitution was done by the writers, not the powers behind the plot. By putting her regular Doctor out of the picture, no uncomfortable silences need to happen when Sun brings up her husband, AND by making us take suspicious note of the new Doc, we’re forced to pay attention a little closer to a conversation that ONLY makes sense if Sun has it with someone who doesn’t know her.*)

Also, I’m waaaay cheaper. I’m working towards a SAG card.
Panda (Black and White LOST Symbology anyone?) in hand, Jin hails a cab. He pours the giant stuffed toy into the cab, but stops short of climbing in himself when his cellphone rings again. As he answers, someone bumps him, knocking the phone from his hand. Before he can pick it up, a motorscooter runs over it. Bending to retrieve it, Jin fails to notice that someone is climbing into his cab, panda and all. Before he can stop it, the cab is gone. He screams death threats at the rapidly receding cab thief. (Clue #3)
Jin returns to the toy store to buy another bear, but they’re all out. Except for the one already on hold behind the clerk. The helpful clerk tries to offer a substitution, a stuffed dragon which brings good luck in the year of the dragon. (Clue #4)
Jin finally convinces the guy to sell him the bear, despite the fact that it’s already paid for, with a combination of cash and some “I will make you eat that fucking dragon if you don’t sell me that fucking panda right fucking now” eye-speak. Jin can be convincing when he needs to be. (Clue #5)
On the island, Kate draws Sun and Jin a map to guide them to Locke’s camp. She promises to give them a nice long head start before telling Jack they’ve gone. Juliet walks up and interrupts the orienteering session, telling Sun again that it’s a bad idea. When Sun doesn’t seem interested in what she has to say, Juliet turns to Jin and tries to tell him how dangerous it is for Sun to leave now.

Yes! Raiders of the Lost Arc is right! Pictionary has no language boundaries.
“Wherever Sun go, I go.”
After a final ineffective plea to Sun, Juliet plays her trump.
“Jin, Your wife had an affair.”
“What?”
“Sun was with another man. She thought the baby was his.”
Sun, the very picture of outrage, strides up to Juliet and slaps her across the face. Considering the bruises that the fight with Charlotte left, that had to hurt.
Sun turns to Jin, but understandably, he’s in no mood to talk at that moment. He stalks off.
On the beach, Sun catches up to Jin and tries to get him to talk to her. He’s in silent mode and not ready to speak. As she continues to try, Bernard walks up, notes Jin’s fishing gear and asks if he can tag along on Jin’s fishing trip. After several awkward seconds, Bernard clues in and tries to excuse himself from the awkward situation, but Jin stops him from leaving.
“No, come.”
“You’re sure?”
“Yes, come.”
The two men are in the outrigger, fishing. The scene is reminiscent of Jin’s reunion with his father, also surrounded by fishing equipment. After reminding Jin that they are the only two married men on the island, Bernard confides the news of Rose’s cancer to Jin and the revelation that the island seems to have put it into remission.
“But when the camp split up, I was sure that she’d want to go with Locke. Why would she want to leave the island and risk getting sick again?”
“Then why do you stay with Jack?”
“Because it was the right thing to do. Locke…he’s a murderer. See, it’s all about karma, Jin. Do you know karma?”
Jin nods that he does, indeed, know karma.
“You make bad choices, bad things happen to you. But you make good choices, and then good…”
Just then, Jin hooks a fish. They get it safely into the boat.
“Wow, look at that! See? Now, that’s karma. We must be the good guys, huh?”
Much like Rose, Bernard shows up just when someone’s conscience needs a little kick in the right direction. They’re like a black and white Jiminy Cricket. (Black and White LOST Symbology anyone?)
On the freighter, Desmond comments on the banging sound that’s been going on for a while.
“Can’t they just fix whatever the bloody hell’s causing that?”
“That sound is not mechanical.”
“What, you think somebody’s doing that? Somebody’s just banging those pipes again and again?”
“That’s exactly what I think.”
Just then, Ray enters to tell them that the captain is ready to see them. He takes them up on deck, where Sayid notices that the helicopter is gone. Apparently, Lapidus is running an errand.
“Did he go to the island?”
“You know anywhere else he could land?”
As Sayid continues the pointless interrogation of Sgt. Schultz…er, Ray, Desmond notices something decidedly out of the ordinary. It’s Regina, doing her best Jacob Marley impression, draped in heavy chains. Despite his best efforts, Desmond cannot reach her or even warn anyone closer in time to stop her from jumping over the side and sinking out of sight.

Suicide or intense full body work out?
Sayid and Desmond frantically try to rally the deckhands to get a rope to try to save her, but no one seems the least bit interested in saving her. Finally, a new figure appears and orders everyone to stop.
“It’s over! She’s gone. Everybody get back to your posts. That was an order.”
The new arrival walks up to Sayid and Desmond and introduces himself.
“I’m Captain Gault. I suppose you two have a few questions.”
(*Yet Another Interesting Name Sidenote: Captain Gault is the name of a morally ambiguous mercenary sea captain in the novel Captain Gault, Being the Exceedingly Private Log of a Sea-Captain written in 1917 by William Hope Hodgson. It is also the name of a character in Atlas Shrugged, a novel by Ayn Rand in which the elite of society decide to create a separate utopian “Village” for themselves that is undetectable by the rest of the world. Nothing familiar there…*)
Captain Gault asks what he can do for them.
“Let’s just start with why a woman jumped over the side of your ship, and you did nothing to stop it.”
“I didn’t jump in or order my crew to jump in, because I didn’t want to lose any more people.”
Desmond asks him to tell them what exactly is going on.
“Some of my crew has been dealing with…what might best be described as a heightened case of cabin fever. I think it’s got something to do with the close proximity of the island.”
“Why don’t you turn around then?”
“I’ve tried, but we have a saboteur on board, and he’s done one hell of a job on my engines. I’ve got my crew working around the clock to repair them.”
“Then you’ll take our people home?”
“Then we move to safer waters… Those are my orders.”
Sayid snidely asks if Gault would be willing to tell them who gave the orders, assuming that he won’t get a straight answer, but Gault seems unconcerned with keeping his employer’s identity secret.

This is a gay cruise line run by Rosie O’Donnell’s wife. You got a problem with that, breeder?
It seems that Ben was telling the truth when he told Locke that the freighter was sent by Charles Widmore.
Gault leads Desmond and Sayid into his cabin and pulls a metal box out of a cabinet. It’s the black box from an airliner. From an Oceanic airliner, specifically.
Flight 815. Recovered from a deep ocean trench where they found the wreckage and all 324 passengers who perished with the flight. Sayid seems surprised to learn that all 324 passengers are dead.
“That’s not the complete story, as you are well aware, Mr. Jarrah, given the fact that you’re standing here, breathing. The wreckage was obviously staged. Now can you imagine what kind of resources and manpower go into pulling off a feat of that magnitude? Faking the recovery of a plane crash? Putting 324 families through a grieving process based on a lie? But what’s even more disturbing…where exactly does one come across 324 dead bodies? And that, Mr. Jarrah, Mr. Hume, is just one of the many reasons we want Benjamin Linus.”

And Karl Rove.
Is it just me, or is Gault using a Ben-ism here? Basically, he’s ignoring Sayid’s questions by dangling a different set of questions in front of him. I don’t think Sayid and Desmond care why the freighter is there, just why it isn’t helping them. By putting the tantalizing mystery of the faked plane crash in front of them, Gault is distracting them from the fact that he’s not offering to help them.
On the beach, Juliet tries to make peace with Sun, explaining just how she and her baby will die if she doesn’t get off the island. It’s not a pretty picture.
In the hospital, the Doctor is telling Sun that they will have to perform a C-section, since “The medication makes a natural birth difficult.”
I have to wonder, what medication? Is there some special drug that Sun needs to take for some reason or is he just talking about the pain drugs they gave her earlier?
Suddenly, despite his protests and despite her trying to hold back the birth until Jin arrives, the baby decides to break the stalemate and crown. In typical Hollywood fashion, labour for Sun is a process shorter than the process that put the bun in the oven in the first place. And little Ji Yeon arrives into the world, with no trouble at all.
On the ship, Ray escorts Desmond and Sayid to their new quarters. The cabin has a big old “I blew my brains out right here” stain on the wall. Ray calls down the hall to a guy with a mop to come and clean it up. He’s reluctant, but Ray isn’t taking no for an answer.
As he comes close, Sayid and Desmond see a familiar face.
Michael.
Ray introduces the two men to “Kevin Johnson” and they all shake hands, sharing just a little “WTF” eye-speak, but not enough to tip Ray off.

Least surprising reveal of a returning cast member since Bo and Luke came back to Hazzard after discovering that nobody wanted to hire crappy actors with goofy accents for shows that didn’t have stunt cars and moonshine in ‘em.
Sitting in her tent, Sun is surprised when Jin arrives bearing dinner. She tries to get him to let her explain her actions, but he stops her.
“I know why you did it. I know the man.. I used to be. Before this island, I withheld my affections. And I know…that whatever you did…you did to that man. His actions caused this. So I forgive you.”
Karma, indeed. I wonder if it’ll work?
When Jin offers to come with her to Locke’s camp, she tells him that she’s changed her mind. Juliet has convinced her to stick with the only obvious way off the island that they have at the moment, the helicopter. Jin pledges to protect her and the baby, no matter what.
Finally, he asks the question.
“Is the baby…mine?”
“Yes, Jin. I swear the baby is yours. It’s yours. I love you so much. I thought I had lost you.”
“I love you too. And you will never lose me.”
In the hospital, Jin arrives with the panda. It turns out that he’s there as a representative of Sun’s father, Mr. Paik of Paik Automotive, to deliver the panda to the Chinese Ambassador who has just become a grandfather.
“Mr. Ambassador. This panda is a symbol of Mr. Paik’s eagerness to do business in the great country of China. Please accept his congratulations.”
“Thank Mr. Paik for me. Tell him I’ll call.”
As Jin leaves, a nurse tries to flirt with him, asking why he’s leaving so soon.
“It wasn’t my baby.”
“Well, maybe someday…”
“Don’t rush me. I’ve only been married two months.”
So to recap those clues I mentioned:
(Clue #1) – There is something “off” about Jin’s hair. Sure, it could be that he changed the style in the future, but it’s distinct and quite noticeable and I think an obvious pointer to what’s really going on.)
(Clue #2) – Jin’s cellphone is massive by today’s standards. I used to be in the cellphone trade and Asia is always months, if not years, ahead of North America in terms of cellular technology. It’s possible, but very unlikely, that a young man of Jin’s age might still carry a phone like that in 2005, but it would be the approximate cellular equivalent of him driving a huge station wagon with wood paneling.
(Clue #3) – The “new” Jin seems unlikely to scream “I will hunt you down and rip your head off” to a total stranger over a stuffed animal.
(Clue #4) – The year of the dragon happens between February 2000 and January 2001, and again in 2012 to 2013. Assuming that Mr. Helpful Clerk guy would know this and not try to sell Jin a stuffed animal for the wrong zodiac year, it seems obvious that we are not seeing a future Jin.
(Clue #5) – “New” Jin might overpay for the panda, but the “I will make you eat that fucking dragon if you don’t sell me that fucking panda right fucking now” eye-speak would be out of character.
Back in her apartment, Sun is returning her ring to it’s proper place and putting on lipstick when the doorbell rings. It’s Hurley!

Note to Hurley: Congrats on making it off the island. Now for crissakes, man. GROOM!
“I can’t believe you came all this way!”
“Are you kidding? Is anyone else coming?”
“No.”
“Good.”
Ok, was it just me or did Hurley’s “Good” just seem really, really strange? Like “oooh, that means we can play naked twister all weekend” strange?
Sun introduces him to her daughter.
“She looks just like Jin.”
“Yes, she does.”
The two then like, go see him.
He’s buried in a pleasant looking cemetery, with a grave marker that dates his death as September 22, 2004, the day Flight 815 crashed.
“Jin… You were right. It’s a girl. The delivery was hard on me… The doctor said I was calling out for you… I wish you could’ve been there. Jin… She’s beautiful. Ji Yeon. I named her just like you wanted. I miss you so much. I miss you so much.
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I bow to your powers of observation and your obvious knowledge of things literary and the immense research you obviously do every week to come up with some sort of way to put all these disconnected events into some sort of order that will eventually coalesce into a logical explanation for this wretched, confusing, make-it-up-as you-go show.
This last episode has left me Lost right along with the unfortunate castaways. I can no longer follow any more twists and turns and what tries to pass for a plot.
At any rate, congratulations on your efforts. However, I’m off the island for good. Found my own helicopter by traveling through time to 3 days before the flight, when I lost my ticket to Sawyer in a game of craps behind a sleazy bar in Hawaii.
I think my recollection is correct that Desmond does not know Michael – didn’t Michael leave the island before the Losties hooked up with Des? So in fact only Sayid has to pretend he doesn’t know Michael.
My major clue was the fact that there was only one more Oceanix Six-er to be revealed. I know there are theories that Aaron is not considered to be one of the “Six”. However, during promos for the Aaron episode, the accouncer said “another of the ‘Oceanic Six’ will be revealed.” So, Aaron IS one of the Six (which leaves only one more yet to be revealed). Since I knew Sun’s scenes were a flashforward, I knew Jin must have been flashbacks. The personality clues along the way were just nails in the coffin.
Talma63 -
You should get to know my buddy Barnum!
“…to put all these disconnected events into some sort of order that will eventually coalesce into a logical explanation for this wretched, confusing, make-it-up-as you-go show,” sounds EXACTLY like something he would say!
I did a wonderful audio interview with him that you’d probably enjoy…
anukexpat -
I don’t recall a direct scene between the two men, but seeing as how Michael shot A.L. and Libby in Desmond’s hatch, I am pretty sure Des has met him…
anukexpat -
Now that I think about it, it is entirely possible that they haven’t met. Desmond did to his little “Snowglobe” island lap…
Excellent recap! I can totally forgive the lateness of it. Your research and sidenotes were wonderful.
I thought for sure handsome Dr. Bae might be there to be future husband to Sun… why else would (how conveniently) her regular doc be gone? But your explanation made perfect sense.
If Des and Mike have met, it was off screen, and very short. It doesn’t matter anyway, Desmond only has his 1996 memories.
The flashforward seemed pretty lame until the final sequence which I thought was fantastic. Some people thought it was a cheap stunt, which I don’t understand.
Even though it was the worst kept secret in Lost history, the Michael reveal was still neat and nicely done.
Gault really intrigues me, I must know more! Could he be the R.G. on Naomi’s bracelet?
Oh, I’d also like the point out that the grave is apparently a dual plot, as it apparently has Sun’s birthdate on it too. However, according to it she is 24 during her time on the island which seems *way* too young for her.
Anyway, I’m sooo excited for today’s episode! I’ve been waiting over a year!
Hey Merick!
Could Naomi’s bracelet read “RC” (The screen cap from that ep doesn’t show it really well, but I watched the thing at least six times to be certain) not “RG”.
Could it be…Regina?
Absolutely stellar recap, Greybishop – reading your posts is like rewatching the episodes with a brilliant, culturally savvy friend – it adds a depth to the show that most of us could otherwise only scratch at!
That said, I thought the episode was great, despite my general Sun misgivings. I am *certain* Jin is still alive, possibly on the island, possibly elsewhere; Sun and Jin (in fact, all of the Oceanic 6) – will be reunited with the island folks by the series finale – mark my word.
Grey, just wanted to tell you I’m reading Slaughterhouse 5″ and I’m loving it! Thanks. “Atlas Shrugged” is next.
GB, I loved your recap, was only disappointed that you didn’t include your thoughts on whether or not you think Jin is still alive… I agree with temporal anomaly (#9) that Jin is still alive and Sun and Hurley are simply keeping up appearances.
Also, I must be truly slow, because I didn’t realize Jin’s segments were flashbacks until a good minute or two after the show ended. When they showed him delivering the panda my thought was “ughhh off-island Jin turned back into an douchebag who missed his kid’s birth and/or Sun’s father is forcing him to work for him again…” I was also convinced Abaddon & Co. were after Sun’s baby and that the doctor and the person who stole Jin’s cab were plants…shows what I know. I thought this reveal more than made up for the fact that everyone had figured out the man on the boat was Michael weeks ago.
As for Desmond, I don’t think he ever met Michael…my friend’s theory on Kevin Johnson is that it’s actually Walt, who aged considerably because of the time anomaly…?
Finally, Merick (#7), I thought that once Desmond made contact with Penny he remembered where he was, etc… but I could be off, as I usually am
Sorry for the long post.
I figured out the flash forward/flash back thing the minute Jin pulled out his cell phone.
I do have to say this was the first episode of Lost that brought me to tears at the end. Well done writers, well done =)
temporal anomoly -
I think I’m blushing.
Thank you.
Clair -
Ain’t Slaughterhouse 5 great? It’s like playing twister with your brain. I have to admit, I have not read Atlas Shrugged. Officer Barbrady on South Park said it sucked, so there you go. Google to the rescue on that one!
msu11y28 -
I’m one of those who doesn’t think Jin made it. I base this on the fact that LOST often sets us up with “well, that’s obvious” moments that we all debate and decide that the obvious is TOO obvious, only to have the payoff be…the obvious.
I point out as an example the MASSIVE online debate about “who’s Ben’s man on the boat” which lead to “Maybe Ben’s man and the LOSTies ‘friend’ aren’t the same person” debates, all of which is now moot, since Michael is the guy.
The same thing happened with the “Is Kate one of the Oceanic Six” debate which suggested that (I fell into this camp) she might have snuck back to the real world without being one of the Six, since she was wanted for murder. Alas, that possibly interesting plot twist was shot down in favour of the dead obvious “Kate is one of the Oceanic Six”.
I figure the “Jin’s alive somewhere” idea is trumped by the all too obvious “Jin’s dead and buried”.
Greybishop –
Great recap. I always love reading what you’ve found. You do some of the most intense google-ing on this show and each week I learn something new and interesting about not only Lost, but great books to read, etc. Thank you for that.
The dialog between Jin and Sun, where he brings her dinner & he forgives her … I heard her say “I love you, I thought I lost you.” I heard Jin say “I love you.” I don’t think he said, “You’ll never lose me.” I was wondering if he’d say it, so I was listening for it. Regardless, that was the clue that I picked up that led me to believe that Jin was FB while Sun was FF and that Jin’s time was limited.
I agree 100% with you that Hurley’s “good” comment was a very “wtf does that mean in that particular tone” moment.
Awesome recap … and the caption were as hilarious as ever.
cbc-cca -
“I don’t think he said, “You’ll never lose me.”"
Well, I don’t know if he actually said it…my Korean skills aren’t what they used to be since M*A*S*H went off the air…but it’s DEFINITELY in the subtitles.
Merick-A quick note about your observation of Sun’s age. I have a Korean friend and she always has to do some figuring when asked about her “Western” age. Eastern Asians begin calculating one’s age before a person is even born. I’m not quite sure what the formula is, and I think it varies by countries, but I’d imagine you could look it up if you really wanted to. At any rate, this would add a couple years to Sun’s age (granted, though, not many).
Greybishop-Although I wish I could get treated with your recaps sooner, they are always well worth the wait (in fact, I’ve come to appreciate having a refresher right before I watch a new episode). In my opinion, there are only two Lost recaps worth anything, and yours is one of them! I always appreciate your sidenotes and observations.
I’m with you on Regina being the special someone to Naomi. And I agree that Jin is probably trully dead. I don’t doubt he perrished nobly and with merit. But, it would just be way too “neat” to have that storyline end so fairy tale like. This IS “Lost” we’re talking about.
Oh, and coincidently, I began reading Atlas Shrugged (a bday gift from last year that I was inspired to dust off). I’m eager so see if I get an “aha!” moment in relation to Lost.
OK-enough from me today!!!
I thought Hurley asked, “is your husband coming?” Did anyone else hear that or am I crazy?
Great recap.
Looks like tonight’s episode is all about Michael…
Question about who the Oceanic Six are. Definitely Hurley, Jack, Sun, probably Kate (although I like the theory that she snuck back on her own), but I think that’s all we know for certain. Would Aaron really count? He was a fetus when the plane crashed so he was born on the island. Claire was a survivor, but would he be considered a “survivor”? And if he is the fifth, Jin is not the sixth. As greybishop noted, his “death date” is listed as the day of the crash. Obviously he survived, but for Reasons Yet To Be Revealed, all the Oceanic Six are lying about the number of crash survivors. I think Claire might be the sixth, but something happens to her after getting off the island and Kate takes Aaron (i.e. Jack’s half-nephew.) Thoughts?
There are a few options for who the RG on the bracelet could be. Regina, Captain Gault, and even Dr Ray.
And speaking of helicopters, is it possible that the freighter had 2 of them? Didn’t Naomi’s crash into the ocean when she parachuted onto the island?
And I’m pretty sure we are supposed to think that Desmond is back to his good old 2004 self.
I also don’t think Michael and Desmond have ever met. I’m sure Desmond has heard about what Michael did and what all happened, but they have never met.
I agree with Officer Barbrady.
Also, as for Desmond and Michael ever meeting, Desmond returned during AL and Libby’s funeral and before Michael lead the Jack Co. out to b ambushed by the Others. I don’t recall a scene where they met, but Desmond may have at least seen Michael.
(Hey, GB!)
Thanks to cbc-cca, trister and rao611 for the kind words.
bmatheson -
If you paste:
/shows/images/lost/Picture%201-53.jpg
after TVGasm DOT com you will see a good shot of the bracelet, clearly showing a “C”, not a “G”.
It’s the screen cap from the “Love and Rockets” recap.
As for the copter, there seem to be two pads and if I recall, Naomi’s ride went sploosh-boom…
Des is back to his 2004 self, since he clearly recognized Sayid (said his name) after the phone call to Penny. I’m pretty sure no one said Sayid’s name from the time Des had his first “attack” to the time he “returned”, so I’m pretty darned sure he’s 2004 Desmond.
The Michael/Desmond thing is probably not that important in the long run, but you’re probably right that they never actually met.
MasKarla-
Sayid is one of the Oceanic 6. He mentioned that when he was golfing earlier this season.
I don’t know GB, I think you may be in the minority on the bracelet. I remember seeing RG each time I watched that scene, and everywhere else I’ve read seems to think it’s RG. I agree the screenshot you sent me looks like RC but I think there are clearer shots of the bracelet during that scene and the G comes across a little better. I suppose in the long and short run it doesn’t really matter, hopefully we will be shown the mystery person in a future episode.
I agree that Jin is not the baby’s father. Sun told Juliet that her morning sickness is over. Usually that doesn’t happen until 12 weeks into the pregnancy. Juliet told Sun she was 8 weeks along.
I made another long post, but it said that it was pending the author’s approval or something. I assume because I posted a modified URL. It really looks like R.G. to me, anyway.
The whole intials thing:
I really don’t know if its a C or a G, but I thought I’d add some confusion to the mix. Below are 3 websites (which I’m sure I’m not supposed to be posting-but I throw caution to the wind!!).
The first is a screenshot (from an awesome and very accomodating site-they had the whole third season finale spoiler posted like a week before it aired…which I stupidly read, which ended up tragically ruining the actual episode for me, because we all know the whole flash-forward mindfuck thing just isn’t the same when you know it’s going to happen….but I digress). To me it is very ambiguous as to which letter it is, but you might be able to find or ask for some clarification.
losteastereggs.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2008-02-22T14%3A45%3A00Z&max-results=15
The second is at lostpedia where they reference it as a “G”. Hmmm….
lostpedia.com/wiki/Naomi
The third is the website that I referenced in my earlier post as being the only equal to GB for Lost recaps-Jeff Jensen at EW. He says its a C, and he’s pretty good authority because as far as I can tell, he’s got an inside man or two in manner of Damon Lindelof, JJ Abrams, and Carlton Cruse.
ew.com/ew/article/0,,20178348_3,00.html
Hope this helps/sparks more debate!!!!
Also, because I know you all are so interested in my earler posting (wink wink) in which I mentioned I’m reading “Atlas Shrugged”, just thought I’d mention that I came across a very interesting dialogue in Chapter VI-The Non-Commercial (in my paperback, its page 147). A party goer was talking about the central character in the book, John Gault. Gault is a millionaire who was sailing his yacht when he happened into the worst of storms which led him to “The Isles of the Blessed.” It was a place that sunk itself to “escape the reach of man.” An island of which only the spirits of heroes could go, entering without dying. But the island’s location was secret-many men perrished trying to find that island. But this John Gault found it at the bottom of the ocean; he took and crew and they willingly sank their ship to get there.
Obviously, I perked up when I got to this part. But there is a major difference between this ancedote in the story and Lost: the island is Atlantis, which we all know to have exsisted in the Atlantic Ocean.
(And because I just KNOW everyone cares, I lived in the Azores islands (spelled Acores to the natives), which some believe to either be the remains of Atlantis or a porthole to it. And let me tell you, those islands have way more beauty and personality than Hawaii- which we all know is where Lost is filmed-so you can imagine how wonderful the Azores are)
So anyway, an interesting tidbit I was excited about and I thought I’d share with you.
Ta Ta for now!!
Kristy:
Dang! I forgot about Sayid. Thank you. It looks like we know all six for certain and Aaron is one of them. Booooo! I was hoping for Sawyer.
Doc Jensen must’ve either changed his mind or forgot what he had written previously, because in the recap for Ji Yeon he writes:
“Why did Regina kill herself? Because she was inconsolable over the death of her lover ” the late, Locke-knifed Brit Naomi. Remember the inscription on her bracelet? ”N, I’ll always be with you, R.G.” Yep: I’m thinking Regina is ”R.G.””
ew.com/ew/article/0,,20184253_3,00.html
It’s definitely a G in the high res image on Lostpedia.
I think it’s Regina. After all, Lost is really coming out of the closet now.
grrrrrrrrrrr..
i understand that this is the last lost til sometime the end of april???!!!!!!!!
‘Regina is reading “Survivors of the Challenger”…’ Actually, the book is “The Survivors of the Chancellor”.
(I was suspicious that it sounded a bit like Arthur Conan Doyle’s Professor Challenger, so I checked.) — Someone even has a blog listing all the books seen on Lost: tinyurl.com/2oesz9
Otherwise, I’m pretty sure Jin is dead in the flash forward. Though the date on the grave is faked, her grief, with only Hurley to see, is real.
AlanHk -
You’re right, I made a typo there. I thought at first that it was “Challenger” but my google corrected me. Unfortunately, it did not correct my recap…
I shall fix that.
Good eye!
Hi – just wondering is the recap of the last episode ever going to be posted?
And I agree that LOST is really moving along this season. After each episode I feel like we are closer to the end and its sad.
But I predicted this summer that LOST can only last two more seasons. And I read it will be over after 48 episodes or so. That was counting from the beginning of this season.
All I know is that the ending better top the Sopranos (which won’t be too hard to do). This is the only other show I have been crazy for. =(
Anyways… just wondering when the last episode recap will appear.
Thanks
Maria
MariaIsabel -
Apologies for my lateness to you and everyone else looking for the recap.
I am working on it.
Honest.