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Wednesday, June 13, 2012
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Good morning, Gasmii. Let’s get right to it, shall we?
Jabby opens by berating the girls for being lazy losers and doing so poorly overall last week. Maddie is on the bottom of the pyramid (I know, right?) because Jabby couldn’t bully her into doing the solo. Mackenzie is second-to-last because she had the nerve to slip and hurt herself during her solo. Chloe retains her position on top of the pyramid because Jabby was too busy making voodoo dolls of Maddie to pay attention to anyone else.
This week, they are heading to Energy in Chicago, the site of the infamous Melissa-is-suing-everyone episode. Chloe, Paige and Brooke get solos, while Mac and Nia get a duet. The group number is about zombies (seriously, what ISN’T about zombies these days?) because the girls were acting like zombies on stage last week. Jabby puts Holly in charge of coshtumes since she isn’t working anymore and presumably has nothing better to do with her time.
Jabby also gives Kelly one job – and that is to paint a chair black and put stoppers on the legs for Paige’s solo. What could possibly go wrong?
The resulting bad blood causes Kelly to pull Paige and Brooke’s solos at the last minute (although they do end up doing the group number) and of course it leads to a battle royale between Kelly and Jabby (duh).
Also, Melissa gets Maddie to do the cursed solo at the “last minute” and Brooke takes voice lessons!
For the full ‘cappy, check back in a couple of days. Until then, you can catch up on last week’s episode here.
As always, thanks for reading and have a great day!
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Not saying too much, but I think there was wayyyy too much praise for a certain person who didn’t have to go through what others did. There should have been praise, but….
Paige and Brooke killed it in the group routine. They wanted to dance.
Chloe did an excellent job on her dance. That was a whole different look and choreography for her.
And the duet was sooo cute!
I’m still confused. Hopefully my fellow Gasmi can help me understand wtf happened to this show & especially WTF was going on in this episode with Kelly. If felt like they left ALOT out because I have no idea what that shit was about. It sounds like from the preview for next week that there were some shenanigans going on with Maddie’s (of course) solo, but them leaving that out in order to have conflict in the next epi was ridiculous & left alot unanswered as to why Kelly actually pulled them. Idk, but that was a bumpuzzling episode that left me a little aggravated.
Help ya girl figure out what was going on please Gasmi
Oooh! I LOVED Nia’s hair in her interviews!!!
I think all the adults in the studio should go on Prozac. My husband and I were speculating what Melissa is doing all day long that she is “too busy” to work at the front desk. We wondered if she was, uh, “paying bills” more frequently than last season.
1st off does anyone remember the name of this dance? I wanted to youtube it…
2nd – I kinda get why Kelly was upset, she believe that her girls worked hard to get solos, but in all honesty, it’s an individual competition (for the solos) so it didn’t really affect them… or at least that’s my thoughts. Jabby has said a million times that she wants the girls to be mature and come to her, that’s what Maddie did, yes, she was prodded, but none the less, she went. Jabbs rewarded that by letting her dance the solo… Since it is indeed a solo, why does everyone else really care, if she wasn’t including people in the group dances I can see that, but she didn’t spend extra time reworking this dance or anything, it’s one that Maddie already knew. I guess I just don’t get it.
This episode was crazy! I thought Chloe’s style solo reminded me of DMM choreography and she kinda rocked it! Now I do want to see VictAng do a number for Chloe!
I thought Maddie did great and I was very happy for her! It was nice how the whole audience was cheering for her and proud of her! I really hope the previews are not true and Abby made the music mess up on purpose….I am not sure I remember right, I think we had to turn in two copies of our music for a back up. Of course when it messes up in the middle of the dance, that still messes it up. You are just supposed to take very good care of your music. Make sure the CD stays clean.
I loved the group dance but thought the music was an odd choice for it. I loved the costumes and make up. They looked amazing! Abby just insults people for no reason saying Holly has nothing else to do. I wish Kelly would just go ahead and let Paige and Brooke dance. I wanted to see their solos. Paige’s looked cute. I felt really bad for her when Abby said “No solo”. I could tell she was really excited about doing it.
I found this episode very enlightening as far as finding out Melissa no longer works the desk because she doesn’t need the money anymore…..either her sugar Daddy is giving her money or she is making money from the show I guess?
oh yeah I was very proud of Nia and Mackenzie. I saw zero flaws with their dancing in their duet. It looked flawless! No wonder it won overall top duet!
KRB: i think it was Glam or something like that
Kelly baffles me. She shows up late to the competition without warning and doesn’t understand why that might affect Jabby’s willingness to devote pre-comp rehearsal time? WTH!
It seems the moms are suspicious that she had Maddie practice her solo with the skip. To me, Jabby’s shocked look seemed genuine, but the way the music went normal at the end was strange for sure. I’d honestly be more suspicious of the producers than Jabby in this case, but they’ll never let on to that.
Melissa is a piece of work. No matter what she’s saying in the interviews she always has the same creepy smirk. As bad has running in to Abby during Maddie’s private was, I was startled by her making Maddie ask to do the solo.
I’m saving most of my comments for the full recap. But I just wanted to say I could see both sides to the Kelly and Jabby argument. I understand why Kelly was upset, but she had one thing to do.
I just rewatched “Glam” and Nia and Brooke were standouts in that number. Brooke kinda stole the show because of her already frowney type non moving face looked great with that number. Nia also was rocking it out in one part it showed her. Some dancers are better character dancers like Chloe, and other dancers struggle with playing characters (Maddie). The only good character dance she rocked was the abused child one. Maybe that is saying something….lol
Group: Glam, Duet: Circus, Chloe: Unchained, Maddie: (not sure has heart in the title)
Kelly did not fix the chair as Abby had asked. If she didn’t want to do it, she ought to have told Abby when Abby originally asked her, “I pay you for props.” But, she got wrapped up in Holly’s assignment even though Christi and Melissa were helping Holly (and Kelly could have, too, when she finished the chair).
She knew that chair wasn’t done, but she half assed it and sent Paige in with it. Before she sent Paige in with it, she ought to have confessed she didnt do it. You know Abby was going to have Paige climb all over that chair. It needed to be fixed properly so Paige wouldn’t be hurt by it slipping out from under her.
Abby didn’t react so cruelly toward Paige as she was shown in the previews. And while Kelly was screaming at Abby instead of just going to get the stoppers, Christi was comforting Paige. I think Abby is a hot head, but I can’t really blame her for not wanting Paige to use a chair that might not be safe. I don’t know why they don’t have a bunch of stoppers at the studio since they probably use them frequently, but Kelly had plenty of notice.
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Paige wanted to do her dance so much. I hate all of this happened to her.
And Brooke looked so happy singing. I don’t really know why Kelly got angry at Abby over the singing. I guess she felt Abby was interfering, IDK.
I felt that Kelly would get there technically in time for Paige and Brooke. But, then … I don’t know what happened. Who cares who else is dancing? Paige has beaten Maddie and Chloe before, they are the two best dancers (Paige’s age) in this group. So, what does that say about Paige? She has the ability to win.
Kelly took a flying leap off into the deep end this time. Girlfriend needs a good massage and some time off. She went so quickly from ok to crazy that she made Abby seem reasonable and kind….
April, Nia did well with group and with her duet. I think she really got into those numbers. When she did the Charlie’s Angels group dance with the gold coat, she really got into it as well. So, I was not at all surprised when Abby rewarded her.
Some people on other boards are clutching their pearls that Nia had to dance with such a young dancer. I think it was good for her. She and Mackenzie (and their moms) seemed happy.
Also, Nia and Big Mack looked so adorable. That was a clever idea for a dance.
Ashely: I agree. They showed up super late so yeah, you don’t get rehearsal time. Duh. But then Jabby was wrong when she said the whole “If you don’t know it by now you won’t know it.” Which is true, but that has never stopped Jabby from making them run their numbers up to the last minute before. So she kinda contradicted herself there.
As far as the music, if Jabby has to cheat to get Maddie a win, that is not looking so good for her, now is it?
I loved the circus duet! It was ADORABLE unlike the Miami circus routine where it was the creepy kind that you never come out of alive. I also loved how Abby can assign a duet and nobody starts screaming at each other or accusing her of setting their kid up to fail… hmmm
Kelly has really gone insane. She complains that Brooke and Paige don’t get solos but then when they finally do she pulls them! Really what was the point of that? She saw Maddie was doing a solo and said this is unacceptable I’m taking a stand my kids arent dancing. I have NO idea what she was trying to prove but if anyone is “setting Brooke and Paige up to fail” it’s Kelly. Paige could have gotten really hurt if she tried to do tricks on the chair or aerials off the chair without the stoppers.
I especially loved Maddie’s comment “And I just walked away because I was embarrassed!”
Did anybody notice that Paige’s solo “Tongue-Twister” was the same one that Kelly pulled in the first (maybe second?) season because the costume was way too big on her? Poor Paige. And Brooke. Most of the moms are setting their kids up for years of therapy, but IMO Kelly’s the worst. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think she’s the only one who really cusses (or at least the only one who drops the f-bomb) in front of all of the kids, and how many times will she pull those poor kids’ solos?! Yeesh.
Melissa was in some kind of codependent emotional fog through the entire episode it seems. She was like a clingy girlfriend who already knows it’s over. I laughed when I saw Maddie’s face when Melissa would pop up out of nowhere to weigh in (in privates, then at the competition). It was very much the “Mufasa-sees-stampeding-wildebeests” face.
I agree that Kelly was a train wreck in this episode, but I don’t think we’re seeing the full story. Even though Melissa was in full-on Crazy Train mode, I think a couple of the things she said to Jabby in their conversation during Maddie’s private were interesting. That Kelly called Mel to bitch about Christi. That Chloe rolls her eyes at Jabby. That was the first time I’ve seen Jabby respond almost professionally to something like that which made me think there was truth in it. Kelly must really feel left behind right now as far as this show being a vehicle for her daughters goes. Christi’s probably making deals with agents and stuff and Kelly’s got — Abby Lee Dance Studio.
Plus, she really is looking like an alcoholic, I’m sorry to say.
There is definitely something going on in the background of all of this. They all seem to know about it to greater or lesser degrees.
Maybe the producers need to pay for every kid to get privates so that there will stop being that controversary. But, even if they all study dance an exactly equal amount, there will be different strengths and weaknesses. Any kid who learns choreography quickly has a natural advantage. Or if a kid has the type of body needed for dance… another natural advantage. So, even if things are equal in all ways, results may continue to be unequal.
I also wonder how much Kelly is drinking. At first it was cute how her and Christi go to get drinks and talk about everyone. Now I think she might be drinking alone and a lot. I sense a personality change in her. I hope I am wrong. I really do for her daughter’s sake and her son.
Holly has been very silent this season I noticed so far. I think she is rethinking how she appears on camera and may be wanting to just stay in the background from now on.
Cris nailed it with how Melissa is acting. LOL! Before long Abby will have a new protege picked out.
I didnt get a chance to read all the comments above, so if this has already been mentioned sorry in advance. Did anyone else catch how Melissa interviewed that Maddie misses Abby and needed the private for some Abby/Maddie bonding time? I get that special bond that kids and their teachers have, Ive had that too, but I actually think a lot of what we saw was Melissa missing Abby. If her “extracurricular (Kurt centered) activities are keeping her too busy to work at the front desk, AND she’s allegedly been on Abby’s shit list… seems like Melissa was the one who has been missing Abby. This is clearly evidenced by her dropping in during the private for a huge gossip fest and again at the competition. I think the whole private lesson was a ploy by Melissa to get back in Abby’s good graces. Pretty clear when you look at it from that perspective and I feel Abby (crazy and obtuse as she may be) realized what Melissa was doing which is why she was so dismissive of Melissa.
On a whole nother note, as much as I am team Chloe (and Makenzie) I have to admit that Maddie killed that solo. As a dancer I have to say that a 9 year old who doesnt lose their cool, their poise or even miss a step and run off stage is pretty impressive. I found myself clapping for her too. Im going to be pissed as all hell if that was a ruse though, damn you lifetime, playing with my emotions like this was TLC (Hunter’s drinking binge anyone?).
@lindsayyyy Jabby did say Paige’s solo was one they worked on a year ago, but she said that Paige never performed it because it wasn’t completed.
Christi and Kelly put the idea in Melissa’s head that Maddie was in the lowest slot on the pyramid because of Melissa. Other moms have landed their kids there. However, Abby is not shy about telling them so.
Nolongerbre, Kurt is Maddie and Mackenzie’s father while Greg is Melissa’s boyfriend. Also, Greg has two sons. Oh, and a wife. Now that I think about it, it’s a wonder Melissa has any free time what with fitting all that in around dance stuff.
Melissa doesn’t always pick up on social cues and she knows this about herself. However, she should know by now that Abby has no trouble letting people know how she feels. So, she should probably not worry about Christi and Kelly’s theories.
Personally, I think Chloe out danced Maddie. I think Maddie was awesome, and a wonderful dancer, but from what I saw I thought Chloe was magnificent. Also, we should take into consideration (if we are to believe that they learn this in 3 days) that Chloe had only a few days to learn this number, and Maddie has been working on it for at least several weeks by now.. Just my opinion.
I’ve seen a lot of people saying the standing ovation Maddie got was unheard of, but I didn’t think so at all. 1) it’s Maddie from Dance Moms so everyone in that audience knows who she is. 2) If the music skips and the kid keeps going, that does look really good and they deserve applause! I was at a competition once where the music stopped altogether. The group was dancing to Build me up Buttercup and the entire audience started singing the song like the scene right out of Mean Girls.
One thing this show reveals is even adults can be affected by comments. After Cathy called Christi “nose” we’ve seen Christi make a couple of comments that her nose is big, but she’s keeping it. However, her nose is not big. Maybe when she was a little girl it was big, I don’t know. But, it looks o.k. now. She really shouldn’t worry about it.
In a live performance, sometimes the audience does get involved with the person on stage. So, I can believe people were happy for a little girl who kept dancing when her music messed up. As we have seen, little kids often freak out.
Like poor Paige when she forgot her solo, she kept really trying to remember it. But, she just couldn’t. And she was too upset to make something up on the spot. She did try though for a while. I do believe Kelly wants to protect her from that happening again. Which is admirable. But, she needs to consider that Paige now knows what it’s like. She’s also seen it happen to Chloe, Nia, and Maddie. So, she knows it’s not just HER. And she’s probably gone through in her mind what to do if it ever happens again. So, I don’t think it’d go the same way if it happened to her again. She did really cry, but Kelly comforted her and quite a bit of time has passed (for a child). Her confidence did return, but she doesn’t want to upset her teacher and/or her mom, so she let herself be scratched at least twice when I believe she wanted to dance. But, she loves her mom more than a solo.
First of all, Kelly Hyland is NOT a drunk. In fact, Kelly doesn’t drink very much at all.
Maddie’s solo was REHEARSHED with the bad chip in the CD. She didn’t just magically dance right through that break, she worked with Abby to perform the number exactly as it was shown on stage. It of course worked, that black magic of Abby’s let Maddie rise right back to the top.
Most of the dances are practiced longer than what they show on TV, and many are simple adjustments in the same dance. Maddie IS a great performer, but if you watch, it is basically the same dance, over and over again. But yet again, she is “special”. The other girls would be special too, if they had a mother like Melissa.
We got some crazy audience reactions with our hip-hop routine that had two very attractive guys in it. They danced like in a rap video. Little girls and big girls were running up to the stage and squealing. Then they got asked for their autographs afterwards. I swear everywhere we went they got tons of attention! We went to eat at Planet Hollywood after the competition and they were dancing there to the music and a huge crowd formed AGAIN of squealing girls of various ages and for autographs. They were like mini celebrities. Funny part was we didn’t even get first! We got second at the huge national comp this happened at but many people came up to us and said we were robbed and we should have won. It was like 2nd out of 15 dances or something like that.
Idk you guys, maybe the music thing was a ‘bit’ because that’s basically what this show has turned into, but that was a very plausible & not heard of situation. As a seasoned coach, you practice EVERY scenario with your kids before going to a comp. CDs are finicky & it really doesn’t take much to ruin them so we go over that all the time. We even purposefully stop the music in the middle of a full out just to keep them on their toes for comp. So it’s not unusual that she would keep going because you only have to have that happen or see it happen to someone else once to make you address that possibility.
We reinforce the ‘never stop’ mantra all the way to the mat. And as April said, the audience ALWAYS show a huge amount of support when there’s a music issue. In our case (all star cheerleading) we teach our routines strictly using counts, so if someone has a music mishap on the mat the ENTIRE crowd will start counting with them to encourage them not to stop & when they finish, the whole crowd is usually on their feet applauding just like they showed on the show. And it’s AMAZING! That’s why it didn’t ring fake to me, but since I don’t really believe anything on this show anymore…..I could be completely wrong. E(
I haven’t read through the comments so I apologize if I am repeating anything … but it was so obvious how Melissa was jealous of Chole this episode. It made me laugh! I hated both Melissa’s and Kelly’s behavior this episode.
Ok, Nannie, you’re obvs in the know so tell us – what do you mean by the Melissa comment? What’s wrong with her as a mother. I think she’s a little odd but the kids seem like they’re being taken care of. Spill some dirt!
side eyeing Nannie.
I agree the Chloe jealously in Melissa was very obvious this episode. I also think the private lesson wasn’t for Maddie, but for Melissa’s attempt to get back in Jabby’s good graces. While I DO NOT thinkk she was lying or exaggerating Maddie missing Jabby in any way, if you listen to the conversation it was about her missing Jabby as well. Did you see her face when the othe rmoms were talking about Jabby, she was so uncomfortable. I believe she and Jabby have a real friendship(no mater now weird or dysfunctional), I wonder id Jabby is Maddie Godmother or something of the sort.
I/we practiced by counts as well. Well, usually someone would keep time. No one counted outloud. So, to me, what Maddie did was a fairly normal thing. It’s just she had trouble before, so it was good to see her get through it.
as much tuition as these moms pay, why do they have to make costumes and props?? that should be part of their tuition. Anyway….why did Brooke need voice lessons?? what did that have to do with her dancing??
I just had a thought, staged or not, it’s amazing that Abby agreed to throw a chair down on her super nice, expensive dance floor.
I don’t think Melissa was jealous of Chloe anymore than Christi has been jealous of Maddie. Considering the way Melissa is when it comes to comforting her daughters and dealing with emotions, it’s possible she was raised in an environment that wasn’t very open or loving, which might explain some of her behavior. I think she sees how much Abby means to Maddie and was afraid that with her daughter not performing well that their relationship was diminishing. I think that comment about having a special relationship with a teacher (that Melissa says she didn’t have) was very telling. Like most parents, she wants things to be better for her daughter than they were for her. With Maddie’s dad not living with them anymore and Melissa being the sort-of awkward way she is, I think she feels that Abby is a very important person in Maddie’s life and she doesn’t want her daughter to lose that. She went about it in a stupid way, but I think she was just trying to express her feelings to Abby and got carried away (she clearly isn’t the best at expressing her emotions).
But then I could be thinking way too much into this and giving Melissa too much credit.
Maybe Kelly has recently quit smoking? That would explain what looks like some weight gain as well as the cranky behavior. @Nannie, if you’re going to yell at me for speculating, come out and say what you know and how you know it!
@Wednesday, whatever was going on with Melissa, it was too desperate to be healthy. And if Maddie can’t dance at all unless she thinks she is perfect/number one (which is what it looked like to me) then both Melissa and Jabby need to seriously check themselves or they will lose their star. Maddie looked totally lost these past couple of episodes and she needed someone to tell her that everyone goes through periods where they aren’t on top or perfect. She did not need Jabby jabbering away about getting her sparkle back to beat Chloe and Melissa trailing around after them neurotically weeping.
@maryedith that is exactly true! There is a reason why when Chloe forgets a dance that she comes back full force on top of her game right after it; it’s because Christi is so supportive and reassuring that she is a great dancer and a great kid and that everyone makes mistakes. When Chloe forgot her solo at nationals, she KILLED the Black Swan duet right after. When Maddie forgot her solo, no one really comforted her. Abby sobbed and Melissa had no idea what to do. That sent her the message that it is not ok to make mistakes and that she needs to be perfect. That is just setting her up for another nervous breakdown.
And @Nannie what do you know? I learned to dance to counts. The dance was done to counts over and over before we ever danced to music. We also learned to do the same dance to a bunch of different songs. Whether Abby purposely used the scratched CD or not, Maddie is a good enough dancer to be able to count out her steps whether there is music or not.
I know what we get is terribly chopped, but it seemed to me that Kelly has the job of painting the chair and getting stoppers. Abby mentions the stoppers are to keep Paige safe. This seems reasonable to me.
Holly had the job of making costumes. I think the costumes were amazing! I thought that it was neat that all the moms were actively involved with helping not just construct the costumes but in their design. I liked that while they all went together each one was unique to draw your eye to each kid and their character in the dance. I’d love to see more of that.
It appeared to me that given the choice between working on the chair…or helping the moms with the design a zombie project…she chose the fun one. Who wouldn’t? Then once her boring chair was due she tried to deflect. “I pay for props and you don’t do them” “I was busy working on the costumes” “I will have them for the comp.” It all fell flat to me. When you were asked to do the chair in the first place you didn’t object to doing that prop. When you were working on costumes you didn’t seem to be forced and driven to it through slave labor as you giggled and cut and stomped in the dirt. It’s hard to feel bad for you when the terrible job you were to busy with that you couldn’t pick up rubber stoppers…is giggling and playing in dirt while making dress up clothes. The worst part to me though was disregarding that part of the chair issue was safety…it’s nice that she’ll be safe competition day..but wouldn’t you like your child to be safe during rehearsal ? It’s like putting your kid on a bicycle and saying “Go do some tricks to practice for your extreme bike riding contest..no helmet? Meh well I’ll have it by competition day. ” It’s a sport, there’s no reason to not put safety first.
I tried to, but I couldn’t talk myself into being on Kelly’s side. Sometimes you have to prioritize chores. Her tantrum was insane. If Abby was at lunch..that has NOTHING to do with why the stoppers aren’t on the chair. You said you would do that, therefore whatever Abby is doing with her time when you have now taken on the responsibility of this chore is irrelevant. and her weight in relation to you forgetting to pick up the stoppers? Seriously? I know there is editing…and so we really have no idea, but what I saw was Kelly was told to do something, agreed and then decided she wanted to work on the fun job. When she got caught she did everything she could to not take responsibility for her goofing off. That may have more to do with their history and after so many years they just know how to push each others buttons but..in general I like Kelly so I was sad to not be able to be on her side of this one.
Also whether Stoppergate was strongly edited or not…surely there was some editing trickery regarding Brooke and Paige not doing their solos. Whatever the reason pulling them from their solos and then leaving them in the group…its a conflicting message and I’m not sure it was punishing/teaching the intended target.. You don’t want them to be representing Abby…so you take them out of the dances where they will get to individually shine. The next time she complains about her kids not getting a chance to showcase their talents..it will be much harder to take her seriously. With the moms being mad when Abby didn’t stay for an entire competition and come back with them, or when they were mad Cathy wouldn’t ride in the bus with them…to do basically the same thing and then walk in and seem baffled you aren’t being smothered with hugs and offers to run dances last minute, well once again it gets hard to sympathize. Whether Kelly is being a brat or is just the victim of harsh editing she needs to work the damage control, bring the editors cookies or something because she was not spun well this episode and like I said, I’m a Kelly fan. I’d love to be able to be on her side next time <3
Elle, the only thing I’d add is the previews and the episode are different. On twitter, people have been sympathizing with Kelly and she’s been mad at Abby. But, now I just cannot understand when stoppers for chairs are easy to find… why not leave and go get them? Unless this is a set up bit, but then why put Paige through all of this?
And the solos being pulled is just odd. Kelly has pulled solos because she was mad at Abby before. Did Abby keep all of Kelly’s trophies from her dancing career and her daughters’? How is pulling solos worse for Abby than her own kids?
Tiera, you’re right. I think Abby knew Maddie was going to have a harder time bouncing back than some of the other girls. Unfortunately, Abby couldn’t outright say this, so she came up with, “some kids are just special.” Well, “special” often is considered good. But, not always. In this case, I really think it refers to the nervous breakdown Maddie had.
So, in contrast… Paige was heartbroken when she forgot her dance and Kelly had to pretty well run her down. But, the only people in the dressing room (besides the people filming) are Kelly and Paige. Nia, ran off and was first caught by Chloe and Maddie who hugged her, then Holly ran up and calmed her down AND got her ready to go again. In the dressing room, Abby was matter of fact until after Nia danced. I think Nia can learn to just stay out there because she got herself together and did her repeat well (and Abby said so).
I am not sure if I have seen Chloe’s first time since the times I have seen she either stayed out there and “ran around to music” or it happened late in the routine, but despite her tears… she KILLS it the next time. And her red queen dance that WON, Abby said she forgot twice. So, she forgot twice, but covered so well she got a good score. This is what Abby wants. Chloe is there. Nia is on her way. I am not sure about Paige, but her mother doesn’t pressure her and Paige knows a lot of tricks… so maybe soon.
Maddie, one day she’ll do it. But, it’s going to be hard to learn for her. That is the way in which she’s “special.” When she learns it, she’ll do well. Until then, she’s a wreck. Do the other moms want this? No! They don’t. This is also hurting Melissa because she doesn’t have a clue how to help Maddie. All she knows is Maddie needs to get on stage and dance that stupid dance all the way through before she gets a permanent case of stage fright.
Melissa was acting very emotional this episode. It seems to me though that her behavior was a more extreme form of what we have seen from her in the past. Well, I guess the same can be said for Kelly. She has yelled at Abby before, she has forgotten stuff before and gotten mad when it’s mentioned, and she’s pulled solos before. But, this time she was crying. I don’t know what happened in the dressing room to make her cry, but … Of course, sometimes multiple things go wrong at once. Maybe this was such an event for Kelly, IDK.
Maybe someone needs to send all the moms for some massages. Well, send the ALDC people too… just not at the same time. Everyone needs to chill a little bit.
I never said that Melissa was a bad mother.
About the chair — Kelly’s reaction to that seemed so insane that I suspected they have other chairs with stoppers in the studio that Paige could have rehearsed with. Whatever is going on with Kelly she simply can’t have expected Paige to practice on a dangerously sliding chair. She’s not stupid and she’s not a bad mother. She must have thought the issue was decorating the chair for the competition and got caught when it turned out the script was going to make it look like that was the only chair Paige could rehearse with. After I thought about it that way I could understand why she got so crazily furious. If this theory is correct then Jabby threw a fit and denied Paige a rehearsal so that it wouldn’t look like she was asking Kelly to do something kind of unnecessary in the first place. Kelly could feel that Brooke’s and Paige’s dancing is being neglected and even sabotaged by the producers and Jabby to provide drama between her and Jabby
That post was unbelievably difficult to articulate; sorry if it’s confusing.
I’m very confused as to the issue with the chair. It appears that PRIOR to being told to take it home, Paige was practicing with it. Also, Abby told her she didn’t want it sliding “on stage”, so presumably, she meant at the competition. While I think the ensuing argument was completely unnecessary, I have to agree with Kelly on this. As long as it’s done by competition, it didn’t appear that it should be a huge issue (to me at least).
Melissa’s going to make me crazier than normal this season, I can see that now.
@SaraKate, that’s a really good point about practicing with the chair beforehand. I remember thinking Paige must have not actually been getting on top of it yet or something and then completely forgetting about that when it came up again. I still think Kelly must have expected them to use another chair or she wouldn’t have covered it with black marker right before practice like that.
I know the parents have to supply the costumes for the most expensive acting school in the area where I live so I’m not totally surprised that Jabby asks for that but the little “rules” about who does what and how are totally bogus and distracting.
I won’t provide costumes if my kids perform. I don’t even know how to sew a button. We always bought our costumes. It should be up to the parent whether they want to make it or buy it but both should be accommodated. As far as props, that is the dance teacher’s job. Parents helped with stuff but in the end, it was the dance teacher’s job to make sure everything was good.
@April, my studio was the opposite. We bought costumes but always had to add/alter them, and the parents took care of the props for the most part. My ballet teacher started informal sewing classes when we were 10; her thought was if we were going to wear it, we were going to sew it! I don’t ever remember a parent getting upset about doing props. Whomever was sitting and waiting for their kid to finish class would chip in.
TV Guide previews for next Tuesday say that Brooke and Paige are on probation. Interesting, now maybe they can leave this trainwreck?
Not that long ago, the girls did a routine where they all had chairs. Presumably, they had stoppers and whatnot. Something could have happened to those chairs since then. Maybe none of them have stoppers any more? At any rate, it is quite possible that Kelly did not know the details on every chair in the studio and honestly thought there was another one Paige could use.
I think Abby got furious with Kelly because they couldn’t use the chair for practice because it was unsafe. However, I don’t mean to imply that Kelly didn’t care if Paige used an unsafe prop. I think Kelly believed there was another solution. I don’t know what… maybe put something heavy on the chair or use something the same height as the chair or who knows what else.
Kelly has a general idea of what Abby has on hand, but props do get beat up and have to be redone all of the time. So, maybe what Kelly assumed would be all right to use wasn’t really usable. Still, she is a grown woman. She remembered that she did not fix the chair before Paige’s rehearsal. She ought to have told Abby she forgot when she remembered. Then maybe a solution could be found that allowed Paige to walk into her rehearsal and begin right away.
SaraKate, I may be wrong. But, it looked like to me Paige was learning her dance without doing that much with the chair in the practice before Abby asked Kelly to get stoppers. Because I wondered about that myself.
Probably Abby needs to keep stoppers on hand for just such an occasion. But, you never know… maybe every chair suddenly became denuded of stoppers and all the spare stoppers mysteriously disappeared all at once. But, because stoppers are cheap, easy to find, and quick to apply… I think Kelly just honestly forgot all about the chair. When Abby originally asked her, she reacted like she didn’t think it’d be a big deal. Although, honestly, if I was Abby… I’d rather do it myself than ask parents. In the long run it is faster. Unless Paige needed solid gold stoppers with diamond trim, the things are cheap so even if Abby is strapped for cash… she can afford stoppers.
However, getting the chair painted was another request. Kelly has complained in the past about what her daughter’s chair looked like and how another girl would probably get a bedazzled pink chair. So, I think painting the chair was the main request. putting the stoppers on could be done by whomever painted it rather than have both Abby and Kelly work on the same chair.
lindsayyy: our studio was not like these. There was no viewing room. The parents mostly dropped off and left besides the little 4 year olds. So my mom was not really involved at all. My stepdad is a carpenter and he actually built at our home several things for recitals but it was voluntary. My mom could sew enough to do straps and hot glue but that was about it. When I lived in Knoxville when I was little a different studio was way more into the making costumes and the mothers sat over there every practice and sewed. My mom was not so much into that.
@gun kata, the reason I thought Kelly knew there were other chairs was precisely her lackadaisical approach to getting the stoppers. She must not have thought there was a chance of Paige either getting hurt or missing a rehearsal. If she’d said, “Oh my God! I forgot the stoppers — what am I going to do?” that would have been a different story. As far as forgetting about the chair, I think Brooke’s singing lessons came up immediately after and put the chair out of her mind. The chair thing is something I keep harping on because I think Kelly may have got a really bum rap on the editing throughout the episode because of it. She came across as someone who bitches constantly about her daughters not getting any attention while not even bothering to make sure they don’t fall and hurt and themselves during practice. And I think she realized that and that’s why she didn’t go on the bus or let the girls do their solos; she was afraid of how her supposed terrible screw-up with the chair would play out in the editing of what happened on the bus and the competition. And I’m saying this as someone who doesn’t particularly like Kelly.
Maryedith, that is a good point. I didn’t think about that.
I never meant that she wanted Paige to use a dangerous chair. I just meant maybe she thought there was something that could be done (another chair, whatever), but maybe there really wasn’t (for some reason she didn’t know about). There are several chairs just like that one. But, who knows, maybe all of the stoppers vanished between the last time and this time. So, Abby, who maybe had looked at the chairs and knew was mad because the chair was unusable.
But, even if there were 1,000 other chairs… she ought to have talked to Abby first. Now, maybe she meant to and someone headed her off before she could. I guess I could imagine that. Still, it was bad both Abby and Kelly got so angry because that worked out badly for Paige.
I didn’t think about Brooke’s singing lesson… yes, that may have been the original thing that made her forget the chair. Then, she goes along with the others for the costumes and… well… the chair was forgotten.
I think something happened around the time they were all in the hallway at the competition. They seemed to be all headed out to the stage. Then they are stopped and Brooke is sitting in Paige’s chair (which probably means whatever was going on for a while). So… what if she didn’t pull the solos, but got caught up in whatever and just missed them? That would also explain why she was crying because she was upset she got distracted with the usual b.s.
This whole show has become SO scripted and forced– really? There wasn’t a single other chair in the studio (which regularly uses chairs as props) that had stoppers? And maddie’s cd just happened to skip in the EXACT same part of her routine where she “forgot” it in new jersey?
Loved the circus duet. Loved chloe’s solo. Adored the zombie routine.
In this extra scene Kelly says that she pulled the solos because she didn’t want to support Abby as a dance teacher. She was obviously planning on them performing until the last minute, so I wonder what it was that changed her mind. Maddie doing a solo and Abby not paying enough attention to Paige seem like small things, but I guess it just pushed her over the edge.
http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/dance-moms/video/season-2/episode-15/to-dance-or-not-to-dance
It’s pretty disappointing that she would punish her kids to hurt Abby. Wasn’t that what she was complaining about Abby doing in the beginning of the episode?
Ooo, gun kata and P-gran, wheels within wheels! I didn’t catch either of the things you hawkeyes picked up on! I stopped watching toward the end of last season because of the scripting, P, but I came back for the comments. And this time I’m staying until gun’s fiance refuses to watch anymore.
Maryedith, I can almost imagine Abby huffing that forgetful Kelly better fix that particular chair and not try to use one of the others…And then some mysterious person going and taking all of the stoppers off the other chairs. That would be very reality showesque, but who knows.
I have dealt with some raging bitches who would have pitched a fit even if we were literally having to move stopper footed chairs out of the way for them to scream at me. So, that is another possibility.
I guess a third possibility is all of the other chairs were being used by someone else. Unlikely, but with all of the craziness, you never know.
I didn’t remember where the music originally cut off. Hmm…
I went and watched To Dance Or Not To Dance, interesting.
Then I watched the one where Abby compliments Holly on the costumes and Chloe on her dancing. Then, we get to Melissa and Maddie… I don’t understand… did she say Melissa gave Maddie $100 to dance? Or does she meant that was the price of the private or the entrance fee or whatever? Because what we heard Melissa say to Maddie didn’t include any mention of money?
I just rewatched this epi with my daughter and Abby only asked Kelly to put stoppers on the chair. It didn’t even show Kelly’s response – it just cut to Abby talking about Brooke singing. I don’t know when the painting came in. It doesn’t even make sense – there’s no way Kelly could have the chair painted and have it be dry by the next day.
If Kelly “doesn’t want to support Abby as a dance teacher” then she should go to another studio. She used her kids as pawns to try and hurt Abby. She isn’t capable of having a mature relationship with Abby so it’s time to go. I’m sure there’s somewhere else her kids can dance. I thought A’s comment about saying Kelly was a mean girl and still is one was very telling. I have a feeling that Kelly was a good dancer and a mean girl when they were teens and now Abby has all the power as the teacher and takes things out on K’s kids. Like I said, TIME TO GO ELSEWHERE KELLY.
Melissa is just psycho. To run to Abby and b*tch about all the other mothers and to say that Chloe rolls her eyes in class?? Get a grip. She has come unglued since Maddie isn’t the star anymore.
@Nannie – you said, “the other girls would be special too if they had a mother like Melissa.” So noooo you didn’t exactly say Mel was a bad mother, but it seems implied. What were you saying?
I thought that comment about the 100 dollars was just said hypothetically. Like, it’s just an example she threw out there that could have been “you can’t bribe a kid with a pony” or something similar. She also said “…when she’s seven,” and Maddie is older than that, so I don’t think that actually happened.
The kids (on their tumblr and twitters) have said themselves that the show is totally scripted. Energy does not allow last-minute entries (4 weeks prior, I believe), so that for sure was scripted.
oooh good to know Pageant Grandma!
I just must say that I completely agree with the folks who are sticking up for Maddie continuing through her music. It’s live entertainment – malfunctions happen all the time. I work with a variety show group made up of kids 10-14 in the town I live in, and they were doing a song and dance piece (like you’d see on Glee) and the man running the music accidentally bumped the chord out of the speaker 3/4 of the way through the song knocking out their music entirely. Without missing even half a beat, the kids kept singing and dancing the way they were taught (TO COUNTS) and finished the routine and everyone went CRAZY for them. ALL 14 OF THEM STAYED PERFECTLY IN SYNC. And here is the kicker – we had never even gone over “what to do if your music fails” in rehearsal. The kids were just good. Maddie is also good. VERY good. I think it is totally believable that that could have been real life.
Now was it? Maybe, maybe not. It is reality TV afterall, and if they were only filming the regular everyday routines of practice-perform, practice-perform, it would not be a show. In fact it would probably be equivalent to watching paint dry. The first time it might be neat to see, but after that why bother? Stuff like this is added in so that we CAN have a 3rd season without blowing our own brains out.
But for everyone who thinks that there is NO WAY she could have ever done that in real life….you clearly have never worked in the performing world.
Yes, I didn’t think it was possible for Abby to suddenly enter Maddie. I figured what she was doing was just checking Maddie in or something of that nature. From what it looked like, girls were already dancing when she did that. So, even if a competition allowed late entries, I cannot begin to imagine them allowing them THAT late.
Now, it may have been that Abby claimed she intended to scratch Maddie. So, Melissa brought the stuff for Maddie’s solo and prevailed upon her to ask Abby to allow her to dance. It is possible that Maddie, being only nine, was under the false impression she was a last minute entry. But, who knows. It is also possible that Kelly thought Maddie was going to scratch and was surprised to see her in her costume and ready to dance. But, Kelly’s not stupid, she surely wouldn’t be surprised to see Maddie… who Abby harped on about dancing last week and who promised to dance this week… had not scratched.
Is it just me or does Maddie look tired and sad now? I’ve only noticed it after she forgot her solo. That poor kid has so much pressure on her.
@Jazzy, I agree about Kelly going to another studio. I just think that something happened in this episode that pushed her farther than she expected and made her look crazier on camera than she really is. Does anyone know how the contract with the show works? Were the mothers locked into this season way before it started?
I have no idea how the contract works, but I know that Christi said she is NOT staying at Abby’s once her contract is up..
Dani, I think they have an ALDC contract and one for the production company. But, who knows…
Christi should probably take Chloe over to Pittsburgh Ballet Company (or School, I forget the exact name). Someone said she already has Clara in dance classes and it’s not at ALDC, but that might not be correct.
Katharine, she does. Although she may have just been sick last week.
Why was Abby telling the competition person that she hadn’t seen Paige and Brooke and that they should call once and then call again, and then presume they weren’t there? Wouldn’t that just be standard procedure? Also, Kelly said she was going to “pull” her daughters’ solos and she walked out of the room purposefully as if she was going to talk to someone. But no one apparently did pull the solos because they ended up calling for the girls and looking all confused and alarmed when they didn’t show. Were the competition people more in on the production than usual this time? Is that possible?
I agree gun kata! I think the moment that contract ends (or better yet, just get out of that contract somehow..) I would take Chloe and run to the Pittsburgh ballet school. She has such potential and would make a beautiful ballerina!! I assume she has a contract with both ALDC and production company, but assume her contract with lifetime is the problem. Actually I think in the first season it said she had a year contract with Abby because she was a title winner for dance masters, but I know that ended recently and also dance masters (I think that was the name) kicked Abby out of their association, so I would assume Chloe doesn’t have that contract with Abby anymore since she’s not the title holder anymore. I think she was junior miss dance or something along those lines..? I think it’s lifetime that has her now, but I still think she should try to get out of it because of the way Chloe is treated. I think they all should and would have a strong case. Obviously Melissa would like to stay, but I think someone should help Maddie out. I know she loves dance, but she seems very worried about pleasing Abby and her mom to the point of having a nervous breakdown, and she’s only 9 years old! She also seems very tired and just plain stressed out. A child shouldn’t have so much pressure on her shoulders. I think her dad shoud step in and get her out of there, like he promised to do in the first season..
I am sort of guessing that that is the case– I don’t doubt that Maddie or any other dancer knows if your music screws up, keep going– My suspicion artists from the fact that the “skip” happened in the exact same part of the routine when, in nj, Maddie “forgot” and ran off stage. That’s just waaaaay too big a conicindence.
The more I see of Nia the more I like her. She keeps getting stronger and stronger. I loved her duet this week, and the girls were so cute and so excited to be doing something, anything.
Anyone try to keep track of those women on twitter? If your kids teacher makes you that angry, find another teacher. I wonder if they are playing up the drama for ratings. But that would never happen, right?
Maryedith, this is why I wonder if maybe Kelly didn’t make it up to where she had to go to pull their solos. Supposedly, she arrived only 20 minutes before time for the first one. She spent around ten minutes getting to the dressing room, conversing with various people. Then she spent at least five minutes in the hall. Maybe she literally couldn’t get to wherever the stage was in the time remaining?
The only thing against that is why would Paige and Brooke be dancing back to back? Paige is a junior and Brooke is a teen.
Who knows, maybe she actually was late and they let her save face by pretending she intentionally pulled the solos. Maybe she honestly couldn’t help being late? I have thought about this and I wonder if Kelly drove herself not out of (only) being mad at Abby, but for another reason. She may have needed to take her son to somewhere or other for hockey or whatever else.
Stagemom, I have read some of their tweets. People were asking Kelly why she didn’t leave when the previews came out and she kept saying contract.
People asked Jill the situation with Kendall… at first she didn’t answer. Finally she said, “it’s complicated” and “please support Kendall.”
Christi probably puts up the most extra stuff (photos for example). She complains about Abby, but also talks to the other DMs, mostly Kelly.
Melissa tries to only post nice tweets, from what I’ve seen. She likes to retweet stuff.
Holly will usually only say anything much if Abby directly says something about Nia she doesn’t like. Such as Abby said if not for the show, she wouldn’t have taken Nia to the Joffery audition. Holly said something like Abby should want all her students to be capable of that. Which, btw, there were different types of scholarships kids could get. Nia wouldn’t have gotten a ballet one, but they do have other programs.
Abby seems to have multiple accounts. I don’t know for sure if some of them are her.
Cathy is really bitchy to anyone who doesn’t kiss her butt. She’s worse than Abby (on twitter).
The girls have twitters, too. But, there are many fakes. Christi mostly does Chloe’s. Nia’s seems to be done by Holly, last I looked, only has a few tweets. Brooke and Paige talk to friends, thank fans, and post photos. Maddie and Mackenzie’s seem to be done by Melissa.
Here is the tumblr of Cristina of Stars (friends with everyone on the show). She says the show isn’t scripted. VictAng do know about her tumblr, btw.
http://dancemomsmiami.tumblr.com/
However, someone said events are nowhere near chronological order. The fire where everyone had to run away was much later than other events in that episode. I am thinking Pittsburgh is definitely the same way because some of the stuff in the first episode (non controversial stuff even) kind of didn’t fit.
When the preview for DM came out (I think it was halfway through DMM so maybe May?) I remember Christi saying on twitter that the chair thing happened a week prior and they definitely didn’t expect to see it so soon. So yes, there is no chronological order and that’s probably why this episode seemed so weird. God knows what happened before.
I think Melissa need some psychological help. I understand wanting your kid to be the star and whatever but seriously? What she did this time was not normal! Can you imagine Christi expression when she heard Melissa saying that Chloe rolls her eyes in class? Priceless.
That is one thing I have zero sympathy for. Showing up late for a performance or competition. So if Kelly was just showing up late than that is completely on her. That is why so many studios do buses because most people cannot handle their shit enough to show up somewhere on time. Now me, oh yes, I am never late and I am OCD about punctuality. But I am a rare exotic bird and I know that.
IM, yeah… the eye rolling thing. Hehe I don’t know if Chloe does such a thing or not, but she just turned 11 a few days ago. So, even if she does. Eh, she’s a kid. And who is to say, even if she does it is due to Abby? It could be she’s rolling her eyes when she goofs. Or maybe she’s never rolled her eyes once in her life. We’ve never seen her doing it afaik and she has cameras on her at the same time Missy is watching her.
However, Chloe and Nia had a joint birthday party. I didn’t see Maddie or Mackenzie in any of the photos. Maybe they had to visit their dad or something. I hope this show hasn’t ruined these girls’ friendships. Nia, btw, got a puppy. But, if Melissa thinks Maddie is being excluded that might upset her. And she really doesn’t have the best social skills although she tries.
April, I don’t really know what is up with Kelly being late. Since she usually seems to get there with everyone else, maybe something happened that she couldn’t help. Abby seems to think she was just late, so even if Kelly had the most awesome reason ever… she’s not going to give Abby the satisfaction since Kelly+Abby=middle school.
Btw… I know the party hadn’t happened yet when Melissa did this episode. And for all I know, M and M were there and just weren’t in the photos.
Melissa could be freaking because of some if the things said online about Maddie. Maybe she could stomach it when Maddie was on top, but now it is harder. I just read someone calling Maddie a name that I wouldn’t use for any young girl. It is used kind of frequently for Abby, but she is a grown woman. I get upset ever seeing a young girl called this… so I won’t say it. But, that person was glad Chloe beat Maddie… I mean, good for Chloe. Be happy for her. But, Maddie isn’t a bad person because she has won other times. They are competitive dancers. Neither of them will always win first. But, if Melissa saw her daughter called names all over the interwebs… hm… emotional episode?
I doubt Paige and Brooke’s solos happened to be back to back. It was probably just edited that way for time. I also don’t think Kelly ran out of time or anything. Her girls were ready with Maddie and Chloe when they were heading backstage. It’s hard to believe she would just miss both of them after doing this for so many years. And she did say that she didn’t have her kids dance because that would be supporting Abby, so unless that was all scripted by the producers of the show that was the reason she had them scratch.
The thing about Maddie getting a lot of hate online is sadly all too true. I remember checking out the comments section on lifetime and it was horrible the things that were said about her. Some people buy into the editing way too much and take it too far. I remember reading on some site I think Melissa had set up about her girls that Maddie didn’t read anything about herself online anymore because of the negative things people were saying. I’m glad people here are smarter than that.
@gun kata, I didn’t like Christi’s TWIBBON!!! being called Team Chloe. I’m on Team All the Girls and I will be for the duration. I know that’s just a little thing but it feeds into the mentality you’re talking about, I think.
About Kelly — maybe she was just late because she didn’t go on the bus? Maybe she didn’t realize how hard it is to be on time when you’re hustling on your own to do it? We’ve never seen her not take the bus before, have we?
I have seen the negative comments about Maddie (and the other girls as well) posted for awhile. I think it’s horrible! I have seen mean things about all the girls at times. If you watch a youtube video of one of the girl, or a group dance, there are TONS of comments of the girls. I don’t think Melissa is doing Maddie any favors by talking crap about Chloe, that’s for sure.
I don’t like this team Chloe/team Maddie crap either. I mean, come on? They are just little girls and both (all) are very talented dancers.
I have seen a lot of negative comments about Nia, and that pisses me off too. She’s a great little dancer/performer, but a lot of people act like she is so below the other girls, and I don’t agree. I think that Maddie and Chloe are more advanced then the rest in dance, but I think Paige and Nia are similiar. I think Paige, Nia, Brooke and MacKenzie outshine in the acro department. If I were any of their moms, I would be so careful of them reading anything, and I wouldn’t allow them to watch the show. Maybe if I was there and could fast-forward through a lot of it.. I don’t know. I think that would be hard to do too. Something would creep up that’s negative.
Seriously, they need to get their kids out of there. Find a lawyer to help them with the contract. Maddie and MacKenzie’s dad needs to step up and help his girls out and get them out of there too. Just because they are the favorites doesn’t mean there is no damage being done to them by being there. Maddie seems a mess, and I feel so sorry for her. I think the other girls do have very good mothers that are keeping them pretty together, but still they need to get out of there. Even Kelly, I do think she’s a good mom and loves her kids so much, but she just snaps sometimes when she feels her kids are being hurt. I can understand this. I don’t agree with the way she acts, but I do think she’s probably a good mom. Just some of my thoughts..
gun kata, I’ve seen those pictures too and I think only Maddie was missing. I saw Mackenzie in some of them, and I thought it was weird. Did they really invite Mackenzie and not Maddie? I hope not. Maybe she was sick? Or maybe her mother was making her have some special bonding time with Abby lol
Btw, I apologize for my grammar mistakes, everyone. English is not my first language so don’t hate me too much
Wednesday, I think I am just grasping at straws trying to find some reason for Kelly to pull the solos besides “mad at Abby.” However, I just now remember the episode where the moms went to the wedding dress shop and Kelly told them she had no panties, then she said in her interview, “welcome to my world: no panties.” Which… er, what? I mean she knows her kids’ friends watch this show?
Maryedith, I am team all the girls, too. I want them all to do well. I like all of them and the Miami kids. I even like some of the CADC dancers and we hardly ever see them. I can be team Chloe if it means being happy for her, but I won’t be against the other kids. I like to see them doing well and being happy. “Doing well” to me is them doing a good job dancing. It doesn’t have to mean they win. Kids know when they have a good performance.
The results from a semi-recent competition show Kendall and Chloe had a duet, so I have no idea what is actually going on there.
IM, someone said Maddie tweeted from the party. I didn’t see anything like that on her twitter, but maybe there was. I did find some very recent tweets among all the girls referring to each other as friends, so that is good. They were all included… Kendall, too.
I agree with everyone, I don’t like to see the negativity people are projecting onto the dancers. I think the drama among the adults just has nothing to do with the kids.
I have this thing where I can’t bear to see someone look bad in front of the cameras. No matter how awful I think someone is, if I feel that I’m supposed to think the person is awful I will start to feel sorry for that person. It’s a terrible handicap because it means I almost never get to feel the joy of being on a bandwagon. Right now, for instance, I think Christi is doing a very good job in front of the cameras — always there to pick up random children in distress, nodding sympathetically but neutrally when Kelly cries, — and it makes me think, “Poor Kelly, her husband apparently ran over her kid’s FOOT and she had to deal with Jabby getting to the hospital before her! She doesn’t have the mental energy to pull off a good camera presence right now!”
Along the same lines, when people talk about Maddie having practiced that number for so long, I think, “Chloe’s dance HAD to have been worked on for some time as well.” And if Maddie won because of the cd skipping and not because she did a better job overall, that’s the judges fault, isn’t it?
Dani, I finally saw some of Nia’s first season dances. She has really made amazing progress. When Abby told her, “you’ve worked hard to get this pretty princess dance with me” it was so true. And she is even better now than then. All of the girls have improved, of course.
You are correct. I think Melissa wanted people to know Chloe’s not perfect. Well, of course she isn’t. But, she is a sweet girl. She works hard at becoming better at dancing. This is true of ALL of the girls. They have to fit in their normal schoolwork around all of these things for the show, but they keep working and dancing. And they are just really good little girls. I agree with you… there isn’t much bad to say. I can kind of see why their parents like them being on TV. They are trying to be as good as they can at what they’re learning and they are supporting each other. It’s nice to see them! And this does make me want to figure out their parents’ behavior. They all must be pretty good moms because these are their kids.
Pageant Grandma,
PITTSBURGH SPOILERS…
From what everyone says, Kendall is only at CADC for the show. She has been at ALDC this whole time and competing with them. After Paige breaks her foot during a solo, Kendall offically (on the show) goes back to replace her. If you look at the Abby Lee website or Reign Dance’s site, you’ll see Kendall mentioned as winning several things. Her older sister dances with the Abby as well. Her name is Ryleigh.
Maryedith, OMG! I know what you mean!
If they are not going to explain what happened with Paige’s dad running over her foot, maybe they should have edited out exactly why Abby went to the hospital with Paige. It was enough that she went. Thank God, Kelly acted bananas this episode so the interwebs isn’t trying to solve footgate. Which, until I hear evidence otherwise, I will assume was a freak accident.
Did you see the fashion shoot thing on lifetime? It is Abby with Brooke, Paige, and Chloe getting photographed in their trio costumes. Abby says really nice things about them to the people taking photos. She likes them. But, she really likes Brooke and Paige even if it doesn’t seem like it. She’s known them since birth, apparently.
Christi and Kelly both have younger children too, right? And Holly was a principal. Those were probably pretty down-to-earth households before this show. Also, the girls are so young and their lives are so scheduled. I have been pretty shocked at the difference between my daughter at twelve and at thirteen. This time last year I would have said I just had one of those kids who wasn’t even tempted to do anything rebellious. Now, I’m lighting candles in front of the BVM, etc.
I am pretty sure all the girls are good friends, which is awesome considering how much friction there is between the moms. I have to say that I have never heard the moms (aside from Melissa this past week) say anything bad to the other girls (like we see in Miami moms). There has been frustration, some rightfully so, but the moms all seem to truly care about ALL the girls (sans Melissa, who really seems to only care for her own girls, but does try to appear as if she cares about all. She seems quite fake to me). I think someone said that MacKenzie was in some of the birthday photos and that Maddie tweeted during the party.. Don’t know, but I seriously doubt that she would have been excluded. Maddie and Chloe seem to love eachother and support eachother. I am so impressed with these girls, honestly. They are remarkable, which brings me back to thinking that their moms can’t be all that bad to have raised such great kids. You can tell how much those moms do love their kids.
Maryedith, Kelly has a son. I think he may be in between Paige and Brooke. He’s close in age with them. Christi has a two year old… I think she’s still two… her name is Clara. She is in a few of the DM girls’ photos (not ‘official’ ones).
As far as whether the judges would mark higher… I have seen differing opinions. Some say they don’t count off for it. Some say they tend to mark a little higher. But… I have also seen people say they grade the performance, not what the CD is doing. Also, some say she would have been asked to stop and then redo her routine after the music was fixed. So, unless Abby knew the way these judges think. I don’t know how she could have known that would automatically help Maddie.
Also, if Chloe’s dance was much better, but she didn’t come in above Maddie that is indeed the judges. I haven’t even seen their full dances. Chloe’s looked awesome from what we saw. We’ve seen Maddie’s a few times this season with her rehearsing so the new one will tend to be more impressive. This is a long way for me to say I don’t know which one is better.
I really do think that all the girls are friends. Paige has a youtube account and it has her and Maddie rapping to songs, watching Maddie’s aunt bye Peytons hair, and a few more. I think when you are with people for 5 or 6 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week is close quarters then it’s easy to blow up about stuff. I’m sure that it’s all very stressful, esp when you have a family at home, food to cook, other kids doing stuff, etc.
The Abby outburst about Paige’s broken foot was mis-edited. It should be repeated in the episode where Kendall steps in to replace Paige.
I am glad that Kelly pulled the solos, again, with the editing.
Melissa is dealing with more than dance class. She is completely financially dependent on Greg now, and there are strains in every relationship. If you were in the middle of a divorce triangle, had kids, an ex and under contract for a reality tv program, I imagine the stress would bother you to. Did she bring it upon herself? Sure, but that doesn’t mean it is without conflict with her other “life”. If you notice when the moms are shown, Melissa always has her phone open, texting or otherwise. It is always right in view, even in the dressing rooms. She is doing a lot more than just the show.
FWIW, I have seen Melissa comfort the other girls more than once. It is obvious that the show casts doubts and makes the whole cast out to be in constant competition with each other. It is just not true. They do show the friendships between the moms and the girls, that is probably the only real part of the whole show!
The only time I remember one of the moms saying something inappropriate to one of the kids was when Kelly was storming out after an argument with Abby about rehearsal time and said to Maddie “you can go ahead and win, Maddie,” or something like that. I thought that was really obnoxious of her to put that on Maddie as though it were her fault. I know the moms try to make it a point that they are upset with Abby and not Maddie, but I wonder if she is old enough to tell the difference sometimes.
Gun Kata, I also heard that competitions can have the kids do the dance over if the music messes up. Maybe they had her do that and the show just edited it out? I don’t know, trying to cheat like Abby is accused of seems like it’d be a dumb idea doomed to be exposed considering everything is filmed and the show would of course use it to create drama. For someone so concerned about her reputation it’d be a risky move. Anyway, I hope it wasn’t planned because it was a really nice moment.
Question for Nannie! Does that mean that that little part of that fight happened later (the part about the foot), or that the whole fight had nothing to do with the competition on this episode, or that this whole episode, competition include, happened after the upcoming episodes? I assumed it was Kelly’s other kid whose foot got run over or that I’d totally forgotten someone getting their foot run over in season one or something. But now it seems it’s something that’s going to happen later? Why did they include that bit in this episode, then, and how were they all wearing the same clothes that they’ll apparently be wearing in the episode when it really happens? This is confusing.
I think that the foot being run over and Paige breaking her foot are 2 different situations. I’m guessing that something happened in the past where Paige was hurt (or Brooke) and her foot was run over, and that’s what Abby was referring to; but something did recently happen where Paige broke her foot.. I heard it was during her dance, but who knows.. I do think they are 2 different events that happened though. I think there was a lot edited in that last episode that made it all very confusing. Abby and Kelly go way back, so I’m sure there are a LOT of past events they can re-hash.
Also, the video I posted is not from Paiges account, it’s from someone else, but its the same video
So there wasn’t any mis-editing of the foot comment?
@maryedith– Well, I don’t know if there was ANY mis-editing, but I do think that Abby was talking about something that happened in the past (I think she was defending herself, showing that she does care about Kelly’s kids). Sounds like they took some out of the scene- like maybe Kelly accusing her of not caring about her kids, then maybe Abby said how she was the one there when Paige, or Brooke, had their foot run over. I do think it was the same day and all that. I know Paige recently broke her foot and that was due to dance, so I don’t think that had anything to do with the comment Abby made. So, I think this was in order, that it did all happen that day, just some was edited out. I don’t know, of course, but that’s what I think…
The most poignant moment for me in this episode was when Chloe was right there when Maddie finished dancing & they immediately grabbed each other’s hands as they walked off together.
So no matter how much this show tries to make us believe otherwise, I have no doubt these girls are truly friends. Remember the 1st (and real) season how close they were? I’m sure beating each other wasn’t important to them & it took the tomfoolery of this show to make them feel like they were a threat to each other & they HAVE to do better than the other one. I’m also sure the support they gave each other backstage before their numbers is still strong, but we’re just not shown it anymore because we need to focus on how much everyone ‘hates’ each other so we probably won’t be seeing anymore of the awesome I love yous exchanged between the two girls like we did in the 1st season sadly.
I think this show is doing too much & going too far. While yes, this is train wreck tv, it’s also the lives of young, talented girls with the potential to do great things in life & this can definitely jeopardize their futures as well as their mental well being & home lives. And say what you will about Abby, but I think she’s a good teacher & these girls are in fact her students. You don’t learn that technique those girls have without a good teacher. Her methods may not be to your liking, but she knows what she’s doing and she gets results! This show tarnishes any credibility she does have & her career may never recover from that. IMO, she’s to blame for the way she conducts herself on camera, but the way this show is manipulated & the ridiculous scenarios they set up definitely does her no favors.
Until this episode, I’d forgotten that Holly ‘quit’ working, which I don’t believe for a second! Tell me, is a successful woman that has worked YEARS to build her career and worked even harder to earn the degrees she has just ‘quit’ working? I’m sure the decision wasn’t hers to make and that makes me sad for her. The show is over & no one remembers her or her daughter….now what? We’re not talking about a lady of leisure here. I’m sure her household is a two income needed one like a lot of people & while she may be getting paid to do the show, I’m not inclined to believe they’re making housewives shows money. And again, once the show’s over, where does that leave her family? I used to love her non compromising work & school ethic & I really do hope this is just her transitioning into a different career path & not her actually focusing on being a ‘reality tv star’
You know what I’m wondering. Where does all the money they have to pay in tuition and stuff go to if they have to make their own costumes every other week, make their own props, and apparently the money doesn’t pay for Abby (or any other dance instructer there’s) trip and room to and from the competitions. Where’s that money go? I don’t know for sure since i haven’t taken dance in a while, but doesn’t the money go towards some of that?
The money goes toward tuition, which doesn’t include thing like costume and trips. Basically, tuition is paying for your child to be taught dance. Costumes, airfare, competition fees, hotels, etc.., that’s all extra and the responsibility of the parents to purchase all that. The whole “making costumes and props” is new to me though, as we usually paid for costumes and they were delivered, but I guess that depends of the studio.. But, yeah, the tuition is paying for Abby’s (dance teacher) time to teach the child to dance..
I wouldn’t be surprised if the moms making the costumes and props was the idea of the producers to give the moms something else to complain about.
When I took dance classes, parents had to take measurements for costumes, but if they were involved in making them at all, it was just pinning and tucking at best. We never danced with props, but I’m certain they wouldn’t have to do that either. Quite certain they had to pay recital fees and costumes, though. (We didn’t compete, so it just went toward renting our city’s concert hall.)
When I taught dance (and my kids only competed on a local level) and baton (competed nationally), the most a mom would have to do as far as costumes was possibly attach an applique and adjust straps. When I competed, my mom made most of our costumes, but that was her profession, and she was paid to do so.
Holly was taking a year off, not necessarily quitting working for good. It is common for teachers and principals to take sabbaticals. So it could be what she said and just be that. Or she could have been fired. I guess we don’t know.
About to watch a documentary called “Jig” about the Irish step dancing competition world. Haha a different kind of dance moms.
I also thought Holly was only taking time off, not quitting. I honestly felt a long vacation is well deserved. She completed her Doctoral degree, maintained a full time job and raised/ing a family. If her family can afford it why not?
Omg… that is the second video with this song. There’s another one with Brooke.
@Moli & April….thank goodness! I hope that’s all it is because I was getting disappointed in her for caving to the nonsense! I still don’t buy her time off being her decision, but with her credentials she should be okay now that I know she’s not just pursuing ‘fame’. I knew she was too smart for that!
@April…very interesting docu! Did you watch the Irish Dancing show they aired on TLC? It wasn’t as good as Jig but interesting, nonetheless.
On the show at least, Holly did not say anything about taking a year off. She said she had resigned. I had been wondering how a school board could let a principal keep appearing on a show like this one, so I wasn’t surprised.
Funny, I distinctly remember her saying that she was “taking a leave of absence.” Whether that’s true or she actually quit, I have no idea.
@AshleyS yes she did say it sometime around the end of the last season. I think if she were fired she wouldn’t have been able to complete the school year.
If she did say that, then I obviously stand corrected. They must have way more flexible schools in Pittsburgh than they do around my neck of the woods, though. I’ve never heard of a principal doing that. Unless she meant the phrase loosely which would amount to same thing as stepping down permanently from that particular school.
@maryedith 127 — IIRC, Holly said she was taking a leave of absence, not that she was resigning. However, on the show she indicated she would begin that leave in Fall 2012 but obviously she started it sooner. I wouldn’t be surprised if her participation on the show has damaged her credibility as a school administrator.
Hmm, my comment didn’t show up, but AshleyS, I remember her saying ‘leave of absence’ as well.
@maryedith, when I started public school I would hear all the time teachers taking sabbaticals. Hell, I didn’t have the honors English teacher(Dean of English had to teach us) in my junior year of high school and the ONLY teacher that taught Egyptian History went on sabbatical my senior year. That left us suck the only other honors(only honors students could take) class left was uber boring Anthropology.
I just dug around a bit and, cutting through the speculation, the only piece of info that seemed really factual was that Holly’s school is a prestigious $25-$30k per year outfit. There is no way she could have maintained her credibility there while appearing on this show. I’m not saying anything about her personal credibility or her ability to handle the job, but perception is everything when you’re a principal. She may call it a leave of absence, but I’m sure she was either given an ultimatum to give up the show or lose her job, or just flat out asked to resign. It’s pretty sad either way. Although…she could have been getting that PhD in hopes of doing something else anyway.
@Moli, I know what you mean but principals are way more beholden to the board and the parents than individual teachers. (And I think the teachers were usually taking sabbaticals to get higher degrees. These days they have to work that into their schedules just like Holly did). To shake a school up like that for the sake of being on a reality show? I can’t see that flying.
Paige’s foot is broken when she did a back tuck during a solo. Kelly actually tweeted about the solo and that Paige had done well. But, obviously, she didn’t know Paige was hurt yet. But, she was. I have seen photos of her on crutches.
I really think the incident Abby was talking about occurred prior to that competition. I don’t see how the part about Paige’s back tuck foot break could be edited in at that point unless they go back in the same clothes to the same place and have another argument. Which is possible. But, Abby said all of that in one sentence, so I don’t know how it was misedited? I mean, I suppose it could be, but someone might explain?
I am guessing there were 2 separate foot incidences– one involving being “run over”, and the other a stage accident. Kids with intense dance/sports schedules tend to have stress fractures no one is even aware of (they don’t feel “broken”– it’s a dull ache), so if they land funny ( and with Paige doing acro, that’s not at all surprising)those little fractures can become big ones in no time.
See the problem is dance stages are not really meant for acro moves. There is no bounce or give like on gym type spring floors. So it is really easy to hurt your foot or legs. They should also probably be wearing protective shoes with support if they are tumbling on that unforgiving floor.
Fancyface: I didn’t know they had a show about irish dancing. I loved the documentary. The little girls and boys were super cute. It was very neat.
The broken foot is not two separate incidents. Just wait, it will come out in the wash, err next cut and paste.
@Nannie, I’ve been reading these boards for awhile and I’m confused…do you have inside info re the show/ALDC or do you just act like you do? Just wondering…
@April…Yes TLC showed a docu a few days back following Irish dancers competing @Worlds just like Jig but it wasn’t as interesting IMO. It’s brilliantly named…..Irish Dancing lol. They didn’t try very hard to come up with the title.
Yeah, I’m not buying the Holly resigned excuse either. I’m sure it wasn’t her choice but I hope she has other options.