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Wednesday, June 20, 2012
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Tagged: CDgate, Chairgate, Coshtumegate, Dance Moms, Gategate, Green Dress of Doom, Helen Keller, Jabby Lee Miller, Lifetime, recap, sabotage, SnoopK8, tvgasm
Oh my goodness, you guys. This show just gets more ridic by the week. So our long national Chairgate nightmare is over, only to be replaced by Skipped CDgate and then Coshtumegate. (It’s only fitting that Sunday was the 40th anniversary of the Watergate break-in, because without that, where would we be?)
Maddie is back on top of the pyramid in a development that surprises exactly no one. Brooke and Paige are at the bottom and also on “probation” for Kelly’s antics last week. What is the point of probation? I feel like at this point Kelly would be happy if Jabby kicked her out. Maybe that’s her strategy.
The girls are heading to another Energy Dance comp in Michigan and there are supposedly two studios coming specifically to beat them. Jabby constantly talks about these two studios, but they never name them or show them so I don’t know if they even exist. I thought maybe Stars was going to be there (because didn’t they go to Michigan once?) and we would have a cross-over or something, but nada.
The group dance involves a giant spoon (foreshadowing Maddie’s future coke problem?) and the Green Dress of Doom. Maddie does a solo as Helen Keller (that’s the kind of harmless WTF I miss); Mackenzie does a solo straight out of Toddlers & Tiaras and Nia finally gets her first solo since Miamigate. The results are less than stellar (except for my girl Mack) and Jabby is, shockingly, not happy.
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Bless you for getting this up so fast, SnoopK8!
PITTSBURGH SPOILERS
Results from a couple of days ago. ALDC and CADC throw down on the Starbound stage in Myrtle Beach South Carolina. I am putting up the link rather than the actual results. If you look, you’ll know why.
Btw, this link was posted by DANI at a place I lurk called Dance Moms (real ones, not this show). If this is the same Dani who posts here, hello and thank you for the link.
http://www.starbound.net/StarboundAdmin/UploadImages/ContentMgmImages/MyrtleBeachwinners2012.pdf
Episodes like this week and last week are why Kelly frustrates me. Instead of trying to make the best of things she want to play the victim,and whine and complain. She’s always trying to get back at Jabby, but what she ends up doing is hurting her girls. And why was she still complaining about Maddie doing her solo? It had nothing to do with her girls and didn’t affect them in anyway.
And what was with all the sabotage talk this episode. With the away Abby is always talking about protecting her reputation, they really think she would sabotage the group dance.
Well in ALDC’s defense those other studios probably were working on those numbers longer than one week.
Still I have said it before, coming in the top 10 overall or top 5 overall is nothing to get whiny about. It is still very prestigious especially when you only worked on your number a few days!
I liked the silver spoons number a lot. Very girly. I liked that Nia had more “artistry” in her solo than normal. Seems like Abby is trying to mature their dancing more because Chloe had a similar number last week.
I don’t buy coshtume gate. You ordered the damn costumes made and in what sizes and materials. So you knew there was only one green and the size and who it was made for. So I have a hard time believing this was NOT set up. They definitely did not fit right and judges will count off for badly fitting costumes if they notice it. That is part of where you costume score comes from.
Oh yeah and why was Maddie wearing the bruise makeup as Helen Kellar? I am pretty sure no one abused her……
Maryedith, before Helen’s teacher came along, she was dirty and unkempt despite her family’s best efforts to clean her up. She may also have been bruised from running into things because she ran around the house and out into the lawn… she had a lot of energy.
I think Helen Keller was very unkempt before her teacher got to her.
I interpreted the makeup as ‘dirt’ personally, so it didn’t look entirely out of place since she was frequently grasping at the floor. What bothered me was Abby describing the dance, she said it was based on the *character* of Helen Keller. Umm excuse me?
oh okay I guess that makes sense.
I actually thought the dance was well acted by Maddie and very creative on Abby’s part how she was searching for the doll. I believed it. Surprised it did not place higher.
April, but the girls are growing. I think Sara Kate is right, the only thing wrong was the sizes. I don’t know how far in advance they have to be ordered. I don’t have that much trouble believing the sizes were a little mixed up… only to be made worse by the fact Christi and Kelly have planted a lot of ideas in their girls’ heads. Maybe after Abby got them, she wished that there wasn’t a green one since there were size issues and if there hadn’t been an odd costume out then each girl could have just chosen the one that fit best.
I thought maybe Maddie or Brooke (thinking of color only not size) could have worn an odd color. But my fiance insisted because of Chloe’s position on the stage it absolutely had to have been her and no one else.
I don’t know why Kelly couldn’t see why Paige, who was off to the side most of the time, would pull focus out of the dance AND people would be watching her waiting to see why she was in a different color. Then, it would have wound up, “no reason.” Too frustrating to the audience. And this is not the way she wants Paige to stand out. How would she like it if Abby had put Paige in green and the judges’ comments were nothing but “why is random dancer being highlighted?!”
So.. Everyone else gets a “brand new” routine (thogh mack’s looked familiar they “have to learn in 2 days”, and Maddie gets a solo she competed numerous times before (Abby said it “was undefeated”)? Seems fair. The big spoon was a cute idea, but it looked like it weighed more than Paige!! Abby says her kids have custom “coshtumes”, but the spoon dresses were definitely catalog costumes. I love how after the duet and the group Abby seemed very please with the performances. She didn’t start nitpicking until they came in 2nd. The duet, especially, she called “exquisite”, and “the best they’d ever done”, and then she screams at them for placing 2nd. What more di’s she wmt them to do?!
Oops, I mean April not Maryedith when I was talking about Helen Keller.
I am going to leave Kelly’s drama aside and talk about NIA.
I was so pleased to see Nia’s dance. She did really well! Holly was so happy. Nia has really improved since the first season. I am glad Holly has helped Nia come along so far. I do think she saw Abby wants Nia to succeed. Nia impressed everyone as the lion tamer, so she got a more artistic and grown up dance. Good for her!
Pageant Grandma, maybe I misunderstood … I thought the Helen Keller routine was one Abby used for another dancer in the past, but was new for Maddie.
I have tried posting twice, but this will not go through. To see the full duet, go to Christi’s twitter. It’s really lovely.
@gun kata, that was my interpretation of what Abby said about the Helen Keller routine as well. Also, I think it’s a big part of the story that Helen’s face was bruised because she was always running into things. She threw violent tantrums before Annie Sullivan came along. This was because her parents were so horrified by her condition that they did everything for her which just made her feel frustrated and helpless. Annie Sullivan had to convince them to let her make mistakes, hurt herself, and learn to find her own things, like her doll. I’m not sure, but I think that dance may be based on a scene from The Miracle Worker.
gun kata – that’s what I thought, too. It wasn’t necessarily one of MADDIE’s old routines, but just old choreography that Abby just keeps giving to new dancers. I supposed that’s easier than coming up with new, LOL!
@gun kata– Yes, I’m the same one that posted on that site. I’m way too obsessed with this show.. LOL. I actually heard of that site from someone on here. It had to do with all the Melissa drama and about her fiancee being married and all that, so someone posted that site to read about it (and I got a lot of info) and have been going on here and there since. Do you post of that one? Can I ask you what you name on there is? Obviously I’m not too creative, as I use my actual nickname on both.. LOL.
So the whole fiasco about Maddie cheating was really just a miscommunication between Melissa and Kelly? That is kind of…dumb. I mean, there’s a big difference between being told to dance even if something goes wrong (Kenzie got a similar talk this episode) and actually practicing to messed up music. The way they were going on I thought they would have some kind of basis for those accusations. It seemed more like they were trying to make Abby look bad and taint Maddie’s accomplishment more than anything else.
Also, go Nia! I thought she looked really good. Too bad she’ll get punished because Abby “doesn’t do” 9th place.
The last time Maddie did her “heart” solo, she blanked out on stage. I can totally see Abby telling her “just keep going! No matter what happens! If you forget, or your music skips, just keep going!!!”. That’s hardly scandalous, or indicative of any sort of conspiracy. Kelly always does a great job of helping Paige with her makeup, and Brooke is old enough to do her own. Maddie’s makeup was more involved, so of course she needed help. I do wonder if when the spoon dresses were ordered. Abby didn’t yet know who was going to be featured in that dance, so she just ordered the colors and sizes she wanted, which turned out not to work.
Dani, I just lurk. I am not registered.
Kelly says they film every day except Monday and it is not scripted. She is still saying Abby is “evil.” Abby is not evil. She is kind of cranky and has poor communication skills. That’s all (my fiance is still saying the green dress has to be down center, but actually C&M should be in one color and the others in a different color… I agree with him. “It’s all about drawing the audience’s eye,” he just said.)
Gianna says she made the CD. She says it was an ACCIDENT.
Melissa needs to learn to talk to Kelly. Or Christi. I really do think Abby reminded Maddie to keep dancing if there was a mistake (something she has said before many times in the dressing room).
They legally could not say the name of the dance studios that came to beat them. They have not signed contracts with Lifetime so can’t be affiliated with the show. For sure one studio did come on a mission to beat ALDC and that was a studio called Dance House. They won first in every category that they were against ALDC (they didn’t have anyone in Mackenzie’s age group). I don’t know about the other studio. Stars was not at this competition so it’s definitely not them. http://www.energyndc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Competition-Results-for-Waterford.pdf
It would have looked ridiculous if anyone other than Chloe was wearing the green costume. Kelly seriously needs to stfu! It would have looked so awkward if Paige was in the green costume. I wish she would just stop playing the victim about everything. Someone recorded the full version of Silver Spoons and I have to say I laughed out loud when I saw it because you cant even tell what color anyone is wearing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot26nB7zz94&list=PL233B795F649A9124
Oops, Melissa needs to learn NOT TO talk to Kelly.
I am so, so glad the preview showed Pay-ton and her monster mom coming back. I like all the girls and I want to like all the regular moms, but it’s been hard with all the fighting and not-picking amongst themselves. It’s like without new blood they turned cannibal….
Oops, meant to say nit-picking…
I, on the other hand, am NOT looking forward to a retread of “Brooke wants to be a normal teenager and Abby won’t let her.” I’m also not looking forward to Christi yelling that Abby sabotages her own dancers.
How DARE Kelly say the show is totally unscripted? We saw you on the bus, woman! We know Brooke didn’t really try out for cheerleading!
Does anyone else find it hilarious that Bristol Palin’s show was competing against Teen Mom in the same time slot and bombed in comparison.
Oops, sorry that was supposed to be on the teen mom recap, ignore that
Also, they need to quit with all the Sims music- first DMM, and now ALDC…. Gah!
The duet that Chloe and Maddie is not new, they’ve been performing it since at least the beginning of the year. Everything is so staged at this point I’m just tired of the show, the only reason I like it to keep going is for the recaps.
I’m really hoping that Abby is nice about Brooke going to the dance, since she is telling her upfront, like she had previously asked… but I’m not holding my breath.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVTMoh_2jqM
That is the solo that beat Maddie and Chloe last week. She’s good, her choreography is better ad she’s obviously well practiced. I don’t like the frantic crawling though..
Do you think any of the DMP girls could do this dance? I’d say Chloe would be closest
Also maddies routine was a solo she does with a senior girl where the senior plays Ann Sullivan and maddie plays Helen keller. I’d say a lot of the choreo is similar but they’d change the partnering stuff
I think some of that technique might be beyond Maddie and Chloe, but that girl is 12 so in time I wouldn’t be surprised if they catch up. It’s tough when you’re in the low end of the age bracket, but Maddie and Chloe do really well despite that.
Thanks for sharing that youtube video! Yeah, that girl did deserve to win, but I really think that Chloe should have taken 2nd place. I think her dance was better than Maddies, in several areas. They all did great though. Good point about the ages too. This girl is 2 years older than Chloe and 3 years older than Maddie, so think how much better both of them will be by the time they’re 12. I also think that Abby’s choreography IS getting a bit stale and overused. She needs to change things up a bit. I loved seeing Nia doing something different. Love Nia!! Love all the girls actually, but I think Nia has really blossomed the last year and has improved so much!!
I love Mackenize, I think she is such a bucket of sass and fun. Could Abby choreograph her a routine with some other steps besides aerials and laying on the her stomach, hands under chin, legs kicking in the air?
Can someone with more knowledge about these matters PLEASE explain something to me. I thought when a dancer has a competition routine, that it’s generally their routine for the entire season, or at least for more than one comp. How/why do these girls have new routines every week?
Did anyone else catch Abby referring to Helen Keller as a “character” as opposed to, like, a real, inspirational person?
Wow, that girl is good. I have no doubt that in a few years(maybe even shorter) our girls will be on that level. @Dani, yes Nia has grown in leaps and bounds in comparison to the first season. Had she had a little longer to learn the dance it would have been better. I love Nia’s spirit and watching the determination in her face during practice(the death drop episode is still my fav…she was GOING to get it). I read somewhere that dance isn’t the only extra-curricular activity she has, she also is in martial arts.
I don’t know if Brooke is entitled to go to the dance.
I gave up just about every dance and football game and parade and party and whatever teenagers do for dance. I expected that level of dedication from my teammates as well and it pissed me off when they missed for stuff like that. I was always there. I NEVER missed. Get serious or go home.
It is not fair to the other dancers. If you dedicate yourself to competitive dance, you give up a lot of those teenage rites of passage.
http://ilikeubuturcrazy.tumblr.com/post/25538646841/maddie-you-and-chloe-will-be-doing-a-duet
This made me lol. These girls are adorable.
I couldn’t believe that Christi HAD to comment on Abby waiting in the wings for Mackenzie and whine she didn’t do it for anyone else.
First, Mack only recently turned 8 and Chloe recently turned 11 (in IRL time, not show time so they were 7 and 10 then). When Chloe was 7, she wasn’t on a TV show. Also, maybe she didn’t have the problem of running off before her routine was finished. THAT was why Abby was on one side and Gianna the other…to stop Mackenzie from leaving the stage early because they don’t want her to develop a habit of doing that.
Also, Chloe is a very serious girl compared to Mackenzie. She can be TOLD things someone has to SHOW Mack. Different kids sometimes have to be taught in different ways from each other.
@gun kata, I was thinking that if Abby had done that for Chloe, Christi would have been rolling her eyes and talking about the pressure that Abby was putting Chloe under by watching her from the wings, etc. She would have been saying that Abby wanted Chloe to get nervous enough to fail. When Abby gives Chloe something, Christi always twists it into Abby putting pressure on Chloe. I used to believe it, but listening to Abby talk to Mack, I really think that’s how she talks to all the girls. I do not think she intentionally undermines any of them. I was glad we got to see Abby being respectful toward Nia and proud of her progress as a dancer.
Trying to make sense of things — putting the comments together, it seems that the show is just lying about these dances being new? Many of you point out week after week that certain dances have been performed for a long time. Is it safe to assume that none of the dances are being cooked up in three days?
@April, I agree that she is not entitled, but Abby has said, that if one of the girls has something to come to her and have the girls tell her themselves and be mature about it, which is what it seems like that Abby is trying to do. So, I think that Abby could say that she is disappointed, but glad that she came to her before they started blocking.
Maryedith, I don’t know about past episodes, but I’m pretty sure Abby said in the episode that the duet and Maddie’s solo had been done before. I think most of the time they come up with new routines but just use a lot of the same moves and recycle some of the choreography to make it easier on the girls.
Thanks, @Wednesday. I must have got the duet mixed up with the group number because I thought Chloe said they had three days to “learn it, polish it, and perfect it.”
Very interesting spoiler posted in the second comment, just goes to show how fake this show really is. Also, I’m starting to think Abby and Kelly are in on it together, they’ve been friends for years, wouldn’t surprise me if they act up for the cameras, then laugh when filming is done for the day.
I’ve always been a Chloe fan, but I know you all caught her face when it was announced she was doing a duet. And when Abby came back to congratulate them at the comp after, Chloe just kind of half smiled and looked at Abby, like, screw you. I think her mother’s bad attitude is starting to affect her, and not in a good way. Christi needs to quit being so negative, yes, Abby plays favorites, and yes, she sucks at life, but its a mothers job to get kids to focus on positive things and build them up. Can’t see ole Nose doing much of that.
I love love love McKenzie, she is super adorable. She better be on the top next week! But I can see her winning working against her, especially if Maddie keeps losing and acting out. Sweet little Mac will become Abby’s new favorite, and she’ll become as high strung as her older sister. Poor kid.
Nia and Holly are waaay to normal for this trainwreck. I wonder if they ever look around and wonder where the heck they are. Run Holly, and take your kid with you. While your at it, take mac with you, fly to Ohio and free Vivi!
The “new dance every week” thing is totally– per Abby, the girls AND the moms, something lifetime cooked up. That’s not how the dance world operates, normally, and it’s not how Aldc operates. It’s good for the girls, inasmuch as they are now pros at picking up choreography quickly, which is essential in the pro dance world, but it’s not even close to normal in the kid dance world. That would explain, though, why mack’s solos are usually quite similar. Really, Chloe and nia (season 1) are the ones we see the most variety in, ao as much as Abby bitches about nia’s technique, clearly the kid has THAT on her side.
It bothers me (maybe unreasonably so) that now the girls, not just adults, are lying/following a producer’s script. Example: in this episode Cloe definitely says they had only 3 days to “learn” the “Inside of Me” duet. But a quick YouTube search shows that they have performed it several times before, including at Jump and National Talent (says the background scrim on the stage). I think one of the moms twittered that they perform this duet at every competition.
It wouldn’t bother me at all if the show wasn’t being billed as “reality”. “an inside look at the world of competitive dance”. It is, sort of, but it’s totally not
I didn’t think the solo that beat them was good. At 12 a dancer should understand posture and that girl has horrible posture, I could barely focus on anything other than how high her shoulders were. As someone who grew up in the dance world, ballet focus and no competing, we always made fun of girls who just “did tricks” and that solo was FULL of tricks, our girls have WAY more technique and while that solo was on trend with the choreography I think Abby’s choreo is way better, even if the spastic thing is in right now. I watched that and thought 1. That girl will never be a pro dancer, you can’t undo posture like that at the age of 12, she has been dancing like that for too long uncorrected to break the habbit and relearn all of the necessary muscle recruitments, 2. The choreo looked like a jank SYTYCD rip off, not original at all just a shitty knock off 3. The costume made me throw up a little in my mouth
Sorry so long and I’m not trying to tear apart a 12 year old, but it wasn’t that great, it was good but nothing special to me, and definately not better than the ALDC girls IMHO
I try not to knock posture on dancers. Being a dancer with scoliosis myself, you never know if their posture is something they can help or not. My bad posture was for medical reasons. I don’t think I should have had to just give up dance for a medical problem. If anything dance helped my scoliosis from getting worse because my back muscles were stronger.
Just pointing that out. I thought she was good, but I am not a fan of the spastic dancing either and I did not think she looked as polished. She was older though and that can make a difference.
I was kinda surprised at Chloe’s face during the duet announcement. And all over. She just looked bored and unhappy. I hope she was maybe just not feeling good that work or it was wonky editing. I would hate for such a sweet girl to develop a major attitude.
Adding to what I said about Chloe, I coached the Junior competition team along with the studio owner. I was like the Gianna but younger because I was still a dancer in Senior category.
I noticed a significant change in my girls from when they were 8, 9, 10 and when they became 11, 12, 13, 14. They did get more attitude. They did get pissier at times. I think that is just normal for girls that age. Ah hormones. It eventually got so bad the last year I was there, that I could almost not coach them anymore. I was burned out in general by then too so I put part of the blame on me and not all on them. Still it happens. Notice how Brooke has kinda always acted. Well now Chloe might be going into that too since she is the next oldest. They are still good girls, but the hormones take over their attitudes temporarily haha.
Sparkle McSnarkle, I think the competition in that spoiler, if it is shown, will happen toward the end of the season. They only took a month off filming the first part of season 2. So, I think the competitions we’re seeing now are from much earlier. I have to think there will be some drama when that happens.
I have the same concerns you do about Chloe. Christi needs to give it a rest. I like Chloe, but I like all of the girls. Chloe and Paige crying over those dresses was 100% due to Christi and Kelly. Chloe was already the feature, Paige knew this as they’d been practicing the dance. There are only five girls on stage. Paige was able to be noticed because she is Paige, not because of a dumb dress.
Maybe Christi didn’t realize the person at the top has additional responsibility to be a leader, but now that she knows… she needs to understand Maddie did that when she was there. In anything if you are best or featured, people do look to you.
Also, she needs to realize that Chloe gets a lot of solos, many duets/trios, and has been featured (or beside the feature) in group. Chloe is not being deprived of dances. Also, Abby generally speaks highly of Chloe’s dancing. The one time she makes a more neutral comment, Christi latches onto that as how “Abby really feels about Chloe’s dancing.” No, that was about Chloe’s dancing on specific day, not all of the time. Abby told Chloe to her face she could be on Broadway (that is what Chloe asked about) one day.
So, I guess Dance Moms (or Lifetime) can’t get the copyright to play all the real music on their show.
But, the music they used for the “spoon dance” is the “shopping music” from The SIMS.
There’s something downright creepy about the promo pic at the top of the page. The moms look very “Real Housewives” in the worst possible sense, Jabby is giving off strong “Sopranos” vibes (shut up and dance or you’ll be sleeping with the fishes!), and the poor girls look stranded on top of the trophy set-up. Seriously, they’re the ones with all the talent: nice of the marketing to minimalize them.
The “only the dances who were good last week” thing is made up for the show, too.
Last night Kelly tweeted these in response to fan Qs:
“@courtney_payne5: @dancemomkelly Does Brooke and Paige ever have solos they don’t show on the show?(:”yes they only show what they want
“@ZieglerDancers: @dancemomkelly why don’t they show those then but they show Maddie and Chloe and nia and mckenzie”that’s my storyline
I’m curious as why some of you think Brooke is not entitled to go to the school dance. I mean, she asked politely and ahead of time and they are supposedly learning a new number every week, so it’s not like she is ruining it for everybody, right? And she is going to miss just one competition. She really seems to care about dance (I say this looking at her twitter) and I don’t think it’s bad for her to go to ONE school dance.
Anyway, I agree this show is getting stranger by the second. Sometimes everything seems just so random. I mean, I would have expected Christi to rip off Melissa’s heads when she confessed she told Abby about Chloe going to the movies but she basically didn’t care. Very weird.
@ IM: I don’t see a problem with her going, it’s not like they only do 1 or 2 comps a year, they’re going to tons… So I don’t really see it as “letting the team down”. Like I said, I hope that Abby respects that Brooke is coming to here before anything….
@IM, I don’t think she should be allowed to miss the competition. She made a commitment for the year, and it sucks that she has to sacrifice some things, but that’s how it goes. I was never allowed to skip dance for a social activity. For one thing, very few of these dances are actually learned in a week like it’s shown on the show. And even if they hadn’t learned the dance yet, chances are it had already been choreographed and would need to be re-worked. I just think when she agreed to do the competition season, she knew that meant giving up some things. I think her mother should teach her that you can’t back out of something you’ve committed to just because something more fun comes up. That’s just my two cents (I’m probably a little biased, I was the Gianna of my studio for a while and I would get so annoyed when something would “come up” for a student and I had to change everything I had spent so long working on just for one kid….)
It will be a problem because of Brooke and Paige being “on probation.” In the normal world it shouldn’t be that big of a deal (although I totally understand what April was saying) but after all of Kelly’s complaining about her girls not getting Abby’s attention, and then pulling their solos, it’s going to look bad that once again one of her daughters wants to pull out, especially if Abby wants to give Brooke a solo that week. I just feel like we’ve been there done that with Brooke. And it’s not like it’s the prom, either.
@lindsayyyy – I def understand that, commitment is a very valuable lesson, but if I had to guess, this is a little staged. I bet Abby has actually known about this dance for several weeks, because if it’s a formal, I’m sure that Brooke has known about it and bought a dress and all that before the week of…
Besides being slovenly, inarticulate, and rude, Abby is very old school in her choreography…it is poorly designed and it’s odd that they place as high as they do at times. Maddie does the same dance, turns with the same face every week. She is a beautiful little dancer, but Abby needs to really dig deeper and maybe go take some new dance instruction classes. Each girl has such strengths and she rarely plays to them. She keeps them all in an ALDC box. I personally love Chloe. I think she has the ability to go so far, talk about quiet strength, she gets slammed all the time, Abby treats her like the enemy and she just soldiers on and keeps that face blank. She will have what it takes to make it in the cruel world of dance. I think BECAUSE of Abby’s favoritism she is messing Maddie up bad, not only does she have to deal with her trollop of a mother, but she rarely gets treated the way a real producer would treat her. She sees it all, but if it comes down on her she breaks. I feel so bad for that little girl….you can tell there is a lot at home messing her up, and her money grubbing cheater of a mom tries so hard to live vicariously thru her that it’s just pathetic. Chloe needs to be taken out and moved to a better school in New York I can see her as a featured dancer…Nia was so cute this week! I love that she is getting a chance to shine! I feel for Brooke & Paige too. Brooke is so blank she just wants to be out of this…
Hey — did anyone notice how much like Melissa Christi was forced to act during the whole business with the dress? She looked so uncomfortable! And then she finally forced herself to say, “I just think it STINKS!” when you could tell she didn’t think Kelly should be bitching like that with Paige sitting there.
I LOVE CHLOE, but I am noticing the Chloe issue too. What bothers me is that she still looks so little-girlish during her interviews (Still saying “We’re doing a duet and…I really like it!” exactly the same way) and it looks kind of fake contrasted with some frankly bitchy expressions I saw on her face during the episode. Especially knowing that she was lying about the duet being new and that when she said, “I wanted Paige to have the green dress” she knew there was no way that would work. She needed to step up for the team there, and she chose to look good for the camera instead. Not good.
@KRB, of course it’s staged! I’m so used to that I assumed everyone was taking that into consideration. I’m sure she talked to Abby about it at the beginning of the semester. I just mean, in the terms of where we are in the show, Brooke shouldn’t be asking to go. She’s on probation for not doing a solo a couple of weeks ago. Kelly’s running around saying that her girls don’t get any attention from Abby.
Maybe since I’m not a dancer I’m not getting it. I see dance as a hobby and if your child uses dance as a hobby why should they miss out on everything fun in their childhood. My daughter takes dance twice a week on Tuesdays and Saturdays, I will NOT tell her that she can’t spend the weekend with her friends and/or family or go on family vacations because of her hobby. I can’t even imagine telling her she can’t attend her ‘first school dance’ or ‘whatever rite of passage event’ for her hobby.
Well, Brooke had her chance last season to step down from the studio and she begged to get back in. Or whatever — that’s what we saw anyway. So she knew what she was in for.
@Moli, to most children it’s a hobby, but if you’re at the level they’re at (dancing 6 days a week, comps every weekend, wanting to be professional) it’s more than a hobby. They sign a contract with the studio (unrelated to the show) saying that they will attend every competition. And like someone else said, it just isn’t the right time, with the solos being pulled recently and her being on probation. I know she’s the oldest and probably the only one with school dances and such, but also notice that she’s the only one that has (on TV) asked to leave for a football game, cheerleader tryouts, and now the dance.
@maryedith – I always take it as staged, but I think it’s easy to forget that somethings are not in actual context. I don’t get the “Probation” thing, Abby knows she can’t kick them out, so what is she trying to do?
I think the problem is more with Abby and the moms and not Abby and the girls. Paige didn’t like the pink dress because it was too big, and Chloe didn’t like the green because it was small, then the moms start in about being “special” and then it goes from there. They girls seem fine, if the moms would shut their mouths.
IMO, I think that it’s an honor for these girls to have even been selected to be on a TV show about dancing when there are other people who tried out. So even if they don’t get a “special part” then they should still feel great because they are being featured in a light that almost no other dancers are.
If you a rec dancer, sure, miss class whenever. If you are on a competition team, no, you don’t miss for school events or vacations or to hang out with friends. You are committed. You have other dancers relying on you. If everyone missed all the time nothing would get done.
It is not harsh or mean. No one is forcing you to join a competition team. Just take a regular recital class if you insist on missing.
Hi, I’m new (kinda). I’ve been coming on this site to read the recaps and comments for a long time but never commented myself. I just wanted to say that I think Brooke asking to go to the dance is a set up. Just like her quitting and “joining cheerleading was”. Kelly tweeted the other day that the way she acts is her story line. A fan asked her if paige and brooke ever do solos that are not shown and she said yes they do but the producers don’t show it and when she was asked why she said it was her story line. So maybe brooke is supposed to be the teenager who wants to go out and do something else while kelly is the mom who feels like her daughters never get a fair chance. I do think that a lot of their reactions and actions are just for the show. When they post pictures of each other and the girls they really seem so happy together and happy to be doing what they’re doing but on the show it’s completely different.
Each person has a story line. Chloe and christi are supposed to be the underdogs. Chloe was the child who was always so close to the top but was never good enough. Maddie and melissa are the favorites and the ones everyone are jealous of. Holly and nia are the token black characters (yea I said it, because during the first season everything was always about race; the dances she did, the characters, the outfits). Mackenzie she’s the sweet child who’s trying to live up to her older perfect sister.
I have no problem believing that this is real and fake. They do dance (obviously) but when you have 60 hours of film to manipulate into 45 minutes of show, you can make up any scene you want and lead people to believe anything you want. Like we are led to believe that kendall hasn’t been dancing with Abby but has been listed on Abby’s site for various solos and duets and stuff for some time now. Like we are led to believe paige and brooke and even nia rarely or never do solos. Like we are led to believe Chloe never wins or always comes in second to maddie when they were not even in the same age groups a lot of times. Like we are led to believe they only have 3 days to learn each dance. So much is manipulated and that’s just how every reality show is. My friends and I were once part of an MTV reality show that never made it to tv and they used to come film and throw us in certain situations and tape our reactions. Sometimes if they didn’t like our reactions they would make us film it again. (It was a The hills type show). They would make us hang out with people we would never hang out with normally and pretend to be best friends or hate each other. They would pick something minor and turn it big just for the drama. There’s a fine line between fake and real and those reality shows are always crossing it.
sorry for the essay, I guess I’ve had a lot on my mind for the past few months.
I guess if one puts the question of staging aside and takes Brooke at her word, she said in Season One that she wanted to be in Cirque de Soleil. I know it seems like it’s only one dance, one football game here and there, but I agree with April — if the show is supposed to be about what it takes to grow up to be a professional dancer then you have to be prepared to sacrifice these things. And to be honest, it just gets on my nerves the way Brooke asks about them. I know it’s just because she knows it’s all bullshit and it’s all done for the show, but it’s still annoying. I can’t imagine Jessi on DMM asking to miss a competition for a school dance. I remember when Brooke came back to the team and Abby was talking about how she had to step up and act like the leader. When I was watching DMM I thought, “Oh. The way Jessi acts is the way Brooke is supposed to act, I guess.” (I don’t mean grabbing the trophy and yelling at her mom, obviously). I really don’t think Brooke wants to be there at all and Kelly probably wasn’t allowed to re-sign with just Paige. Kelly kind of sucks.
Since Brooke asked at pyramid to go to the dance, perhaps it is possible for her to go. The thing with these competitions is some weeks maybe it’s possible while other weeks it’s just not.
Maryediith- If I am correct, Brooke actually dances with a group that’s more her age, and I’m sure that she likes it much better than with the younger girls. She may very well be very committed to that team… It’s possible that only the DanceMoms team is going to this competition and Brooke really doesn’t feel that it’s important. I can really see both sides, I think that we can all agree we’re not really sure what is actually happening, but maybe the producers wanted to throw Pay-ton in again for drama, so this was just an easy fix for that?
Payton is in next week’s episode in Brooke’s place! Brooke goes to the dance and Payton comes in a dances for her. There you go people! No choreography has to be reworked, Payton just needs to be taught the dance. If Brooke was supposed to do something Payton can’t do, they change that specific part. Chances are the only thing that Brooke can do that Payton can’t is the front aerial that Brooke does in every group number.
I see no reason why Brooke can’t go to the school dance. Abby said come to her and that’s what she’s doing. It’s obvious that part is staged because the school dance would be on the calendar from the start of the school year so both Abby and Brooke have known about it for months.
I was looking at the results that gun kata posted from StarBound. WTH????
1st Place #254 “Reservation For Two” Mackenzie Ziegler Kendall Vertes Abby Lee Dance Company
I thought Kendall danced for Crazy Kathy and the Bad Apples!! Did I miss something????
@Mia, she never left – she only competed with CA for the filmed comps. But it appears that they will be “bringing her back” sometime soon.
If Brooke dances with an older group of girls then that explains everything. IRL would she not be with this group at all anymore, or would she still be needed to put them in a certain age group?
While I agree that for a recreational dancer, missing a dance class or two is not a big deal. But when we were doing performances and competitions – you missed, and you were out. For example, we performed the Nutcracker every single Christmas. If you missed two rehearsals, you were replaced. Most of the girls didn’t believe it, but the year that the Sugar Plum fairy missed her second rehearsal to go to the Homecoming Dance…they were SHOCKED when she was replaced with another dancer, and out of the show entirely.
The same with competition. The Competition dancers sign a contract that they will be at all the competitions for the year (usually 5 or 6 for us). If they can’t be there, the entire dance has to be reworked to cover the “holes”…you can’t just have a blank spot in the choreography. That can take a week or more to fix, and make sure that everyone remembers the new information. Then, you have to fix it BACK. It’s very frustrating for the teachers, choreographers, AND other dancers.
Maybe I’m looking at it differently since my extra-curricular activity was softball. All of our games were after school and school vacations coincided with family vacations. I can’t imagine my daughter’s dance school(open year round) kicking her out because she spent a week(missing two days) with her family. But, then again they only have their recital(this Saturday) once a year and that’s it. If the older girls are doing more(competitions) I wouldn’t know, I only know they(older) are there 3-5 days a week and that is an impossible schedule(to run a family) my family.
@maryedith, the point is always to be in the youngest age division possible (it seems…), so Brooke wouldn’t be needed for that purpose.
FYI, I’m not arguing or trying to start a fight its just seems odd for a child to be expected to give up their family and social life. With the added knowledge of them going 5plus days a week, its down right terrifying.
Side note, when do these Dance Moms and their families sit down and eat dinner together? Dinner at my house is between 6 and 6:30 with the kitchen shutting down no later than 7:30. I’ve seen them leaving the studio late at night. Do these girls have bedtimes?
@Moli, I have never once sat down at the dinner table with my family (aside from holidays). I always had dinner in the car on the way to dance. I remember thinking it was so weird that my non dance friends ate with their families at the table every night!
@Maryedith- From what I understand, they really needed 6 or 7 girls for a good group and since Kelly had two that would work, then it would be easy to incorporate that family into the show, esp. since they’ve already danced with Chloe and Maddie prior to DanceMoms. Brooke does not dance with these girls IRL, just for the show, or so it has been said. I figure that’s why she always looks bored, being with the “little kids” isn’t any fun when you’re 14.
Moli- I played competitive softball and was on a summer team, I was always gone. We played from Feb. – October and I also played basketball (in the fall and winter) and piano (during the school year), there were weeks that I never saw my dad or older brother because we were running in different directions, we traveled out of state multiple times each summer for tournaments. If you do anything on a competitive level it requires lots of time.
Mia, those results are only from a few days ago.
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Kendall never really left except for TV. But, for not TV, she danced at ALDC. Her name is all over their website. However, Paige breaks her foot, I think, in late May (maybe early June). Probably still a few episodes away. I am thinking that Kendall is brought back under who knows what storyline to dance in Paige’s place since Paige will be unable to dance for weeks.
As far a Payton goes, she AND Brooke start being listed on comp results. I think they even have a duet together. I am not sure if that’s the TV episodes or not, but I read that Abby was bringing a few older students along with her regular group from the show.
What Lindsay said. I was weird. I hated eating breakfast and at school. So I pretty much had a snack or two and then ate a big meal right after school fast then headed to dance. Then I might have a snack when I get home. I was at dance every night either teaching or dancing. It was the life I chose. Do I regret not socializing more? Maybe. Now that I am not a professional dancer or choreographer I probably should have done other things. But, at the time I thought I wanted to be a dancer/choreographer/dance studio owner so it did not seem like a waste to me.
I never had dinner with my family either. I was gone a lot. I don’t think I was missed. My mom had recently remarried and they probably liked all that time alone together. My mom just dropped me off and went home and then came to pick me back up later when I got out. We lived about 10 minutes from the studio.
The point is it is a choice. No one is forcing anyone to be there. To be on a competition team. To make it your life. But if you do, you better be committed.
Everything I was in competitively, they were VERY strict about. People who couldn’t hang just quit the competitive group so they could go back to doing whatever they wanted. All of these girls, according to show lore, are on the preprofessional route, so they have to be extra committed.
However, due to filming, Brooke has to be there even more than she would for a regular competition team. And she is on the real competition team for teens, from what I understand. Because of that, they may allow her (and others) to have time off for special activities if given enough notice. It will be interesting how it is handled.
@Moli, I completely and totally hear you and I’ve always felt like an outsider because I just can’t live like all the mothers I know live, but it does seem to be normal to live your life on the run (or in the car). Whether my friends’ kids do sports, dance, or theatre it’s the same thing — grabbing dinner and eating it in the car, basing family life around the games and performances. Look at the Dance Moms thread Dani and gun kata were talking about. Those moms don’t even pull their girls out of performances when they’re throwing up.
I have two friends whom I never see and who have long cell phone conversations with me from various parking lots outside various venues where various children are practicing various activities. None of the families I know begin doing homework until 9:00 every night. I don’t know how they all manage, but they all do, and they all like it!
There is a lot about this show that is scripted/edited to be what we see. By all accounts, both Peyton and Kendall still dance for Aldc, and only “quit” for the show competitions. Also, if you watch in the dressing room scenes, kids who are “only in the group number” are seen getting into/out of costumes/hair/makeup for dances that aren’t the group number. And if you watch even the “new solos”, they are very often essentially the same. Back when I taught, all 3 of my cimetidine baton teams (different age groups), competed in a twirling event, poms, and show-twirl (like a themed dance number with a prop). For my tiny-tot team (average age no higher than 6) I made these 3 routines as similar as humanly possible, and they competed the same routine all year.
OMG, homework at 9 PM(when do they go to bed)!!!!!!!!! Are you serious?1?!?!?! My daughter CANNOT go to dance practice UNLESS her homework is done. If its not done she’s not going, at the age of 7 it should not take more than an hour for her to complete her work correctly(I check everything). I guess part of the not eating on the run thing with us is…nothing is eaten or drank in my car period(if I can obey my rule so can everyone else). On the same token, meals are eaten at either the kitchen or dining room table(That lil miss 7 yr is responsible for setting for each meal). Bedtime is strictly held to 8PM for my 4 year old and 9 Pm for my 7 year old, on school nights and 10 PM on weekends(never make it past 915 most of the time).
I have ask, if everyone is always on the run when do you have daily family time? And then since all time is occupied when do you and your spouse/mate have adult time?
Yes! I noticed Brooke getting made up by Kelly in the background after the group number was finished, and wondered about that, P-Gran.
I have to say I played on a traveling soccer team, played on the school team and was on the dance squad. Family time was limited and most on Sundays when there were no practices or games.
This is the reason why I am so into sports because the whole family would watch games on Sundays after church until it was time to go to bed. Sigh…we also had to watch wrestling too, but I try not to claim that.
Btw, since we had a discussion about this last week: Kelly said on her twitter than six years ago her husband did run over Brooke’s foot with a golf cart. So, Abby was definitely referring to a real event in the past. Paige’s foot was fine then. We see she danced the next episode with no problems. But…
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Paige breaks her foot when she lands her back tuck wrong. Kelly tweeted Paige’s solo was great, so she kept going and got off stage before she showed any signs of being injured. She (and her broken foot) are still doing as much as she can because she is in some photos since then. I think she’s attending practice and traveling with the team (from what it looks like).
Moli, remember sometimes when they leave at night it is at the time of the year where it gets dark early. So, it probably isn’t even 8 o’clock usually when they are seen leaving at night. Sometimes it may even be before 7. Due to this show, some of them are being homeschooled (same with Miami). They have a tutor to keeo them up to speed since many of them are good students. It kind of sounds like Brooke may be in regular high school though. But, then again, she’s been spotting doing homework in the dressing room.
EdMoli, remember sometimes when they leave at night it is at the time of the year where it gets dark early. So, it probably isn’t even 8 o’clock usually when they are seen leaving at night. Sometimes it may even be before 7. Due to this show, some of them are being homeschooled (same with Miami). They have a tutor to keeo them up to speed since many of them are good students. It kind of sounds like Brooke may be in regular high school though. But, then again, she’s been spotting doing homework in the dressing room.
Moli, remember sometimes when they leave at night it is at the time of the year where it gets dark early. So, it probably isn’t even 8 o’clock usually when they are seen leaving at night. Sometimes it may even be before 7. Due to this show, some of them are being homeschooled (same with Miami). They have a tutor to keeo them up to speed since many of them are good students. It kind of sounds like Brooke may be in regular high school though. But, then again, she’s been spotted doing homework in the dressing room.
Oh, crap… i am sorry! Only bother with the last one. So sorry!
This is a little off-topic… but what is the significance of “Free Vivi”? I am seeing that in many places. Lol
I understand the whole commitment this for competitive dance, you committed you do it, but to be fair.
A. Its not a big deal to change a dance that has not been taught or learned (each week it is a new dance).
B. The ALD kids are going to a competition almost EVERY week, not 5 or 6 a year.
It’s not fair to expect them to sacrifice all of their school memories for what is really a TV show. I doubt this group was doing more that one or two dance comps. a month prior to filming.
Moonbeam…Vivianne is Crazy Cathy’s adopted daughter, who we all feel is being held hostage in dance (she’d rather play softball!) So…FREE VIVI!
Right! I know about Vivi and how she does seem like a hostage but I was just wondering if there was more meaning than that, like a reference to something I was missing or anything… thanks!
No moonbeam, that was the only reason. We had a moment of Free ‘insert ViVi’s Dad’s name’ at one point as well. We have actually had quite a few “free someone’ moments.
My kids are only 5 and they are boys. We don’t do any activities yet really. I actually don’t want to be one of those familys that are always on the run or committed. I like to take my kids on lots of trips and do lots of family stuff. So as of right now, we don’t do that stuff. We can’t afford it either. Twins for activities is double the money. No thanks.
When they are older that might change. But I probably will drop them off and go about my day. I won’t sit there and watch hours of little league. I hate sports. Now dance I probably would stay because I am interested in that.
@gun, I think Moli may have been referring to a comment I made earlier about how the families I know don’t start homework until 9:00 most nights because of various activities. I should have said that on average about two nights a week there’s one kid in each family who’s starting homework at 9 because that kid’s activity is going full steam at that time of the year. But it seemed like it would take too long. So I resorted to exaggeration. But still — I couldn’t do it. I couldn’t keep up with my cell phone, for one thing.
@April– Hey, I was just wondering if you planned on putting your boys into dance? I have 2 boys (3 and 4 years old), and kinda would like to put them in dance, but my husband seems against it.. Since you were in the field, I was wondering if you planned on putting them in dance? I also have a 13 year old daughter, and she’s had some dance, but doesn’t seem to into it. Just curious with those of you with boys if you put them in dance? Thanks!
Geez Moli, Type A much???
I was the dancer eating and doing my homework at 9:30pm every night. Would come home from school, take a quick nap, eat a snack, and head off to dance until nine every night. And you did NOT miss competitions or class for any reason or you were essentially blacklisted by the teachers and always put in the back row. Despite the schedule that you find appalling, I was a straight A student and I had a good relationship with my family. Good luck when your children rebel in their teenage years (which I never did). P.s. No one likes a preachy mother.
I think everyone does the best they can. And I think all healthy teenagers find something to rebel against.
I think that every kid is different. My 11 year old step-son almost never has homework, there are times when sports overlap where he will have one practice from 3-5 and another from 5:30-8 and we get home about 8:30, have a quick bite and then showers and an hour or so of “family time” then bed. Yes, I let him stay up past 9, he sets his own alarm and wakes himself up for school (often 30 mins early so can watch cartoons before school). This works for us, he loves it and it keeps him out of trouble, I stay for just about every practice (I got to college at night, so there are times I can’t be there), my mother did it for me and I don’t mind doing it for him, is it always the most fun? Absoutly not, but if he’s enjoying it then I can hang out.
I think that there is a big difference in recreational dance/sports and competitive sports/dance, when doing anything competitive, the parents must be supportive. When I played softball you had to pay close to $1000.00 (500.00 for uniforms, 500.00 for your account to go towards fees and travel) before the season even started, this weeded out the parents/children that were not serious about being there…
When I was competing (dance and baton , late 80′s) our schedule went like this: up at 4 am. Finish any unfinished homework, farm chores. 5 am, leave the house. 5:30, practice — for baton, that was normally center court of the local mall). 7:45, school. Practice during lunch. After school, either dance or baton, or both, homework again when we got home. Repeat. A boring teenage existence, to be sure, but it was what I loved. Competitions nearly every weekend. Those mornings were even earlier.
When I was a kid, there was no one who could take me wherever. I got rides with friends or even walked (it wasn’t too far). I was responsible for doing whatever practice I needed to do as well as homework. My father paid for stuff, but I had to show a lot of initiative to get it done. My situation was a little unusual, but I wasn’t the only kid who took on a lot of the responsibility. Obviously, it was easier with parental help, but people tried to help their parents. So, I think that is the thing. The people who WANT to commit a lot of time and effort make it obvious. I had friends who gave up because of the schedule since it wasn’t that important to them. They preferred being able to change their mind and be able to go do something else fun. I don’t know which is better, but I think it depends on the individual kid.
One thing, competition becomes addictive. More so when you’re winning. I can’t imagine what it’s like to also receive accolades from parents (there is a good reason no one was there for me, btw, so I am just saying it wasn’t part of my experience), but it must be wonderful. But, the thing is… in the wider world and life, it might not matter. I remember being really happy about it sometimes. I remember finishing a great performance and everyone was hugging us, that was great. I will say, I never had to worry about letting my family down. They didn’t care if I got a trophy or not because they knew it didn’t really matter. So, unless a kid really wants to spend all the time and effort and, in my case, being yelled at by grown men… then maybe it really isn’t worth it for them. In the moment, due to the addictness of competition, it seems like the most important thing ever.
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This is a picture of Kendall and Nia. Kendall is wearing the green dress from the silver spoons dance. Why do I have a feeling that the dance originally had 6 people and 2 of every color but since Kendall is still supposed to be at Cathy’s she couldn’t be shown in the dance.
Plus acting like there was one odd color added to the drama.
This whole show is fishy.
The mystery of the green dress deepens
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This is someone’s comment on another site. They were at the skipgate performance.
“Nothing big happened. Her music didn’t stop and she just kept dancing through. They might have filmed it again but during the actual competition, nothing went wrong during Maddie’s performance. The show is bs. And all of that clapping and cheering, all added in by the show. I mean we all definitely clap loudly for the girls because they’re famous, but it was exaggerated”
Again, FISHY!
another comment from tumblr
“I was at the energy dance competition with the girls. maddie’s music didn’t stop. i just watched the episode, and i was like wtf. when did this happen?! and the crowd was not cheering that much for her when she got off. i am so annoyed with dance moms right now.”
Wow the music did not actually skip?
I did put my boys in hip hop last Summer when they were 4 because my old dance teacher let them do it for free. They liked it but only did it for a short time. It was a class of just like 6 boys ages 3 to 6 and I felt bad for my teacher. Little boys are just so chaotic. They don’t do well at paying attention or being still and want to be so wild. When I taught girls that age it was so different!
One of my sons probably has zero interest in dance. My other son actually really likes to sing, dance and act. So he might be the one that does it. I plan on putting him in theater camp and maybe tap lessons. He watched “Annie” a lot and asked to tap dance. He has real talent for all of it too. Money is still an issue. We just don’t have it and it is hard for me to have one doing something while the other twin does not. One of my sons is special needs. Nothing serious, but has some developmental delays. We keep pretty busy with speech therapy and school and playdates for them. I want them to have a great social life is my main goal with them.
I was a social outcast a lot of my life and I want different for them. I try really hard to make sure they have a lot of friends. They do too. Activities could make that harder because no time for playdates and parties.
Wow Type A. Make sure you tell my mother that one. I’m simply doing what my parents did with me. We sat down and ate our meals together and went to bed at a scheduled time. I never needed an alarm clock and always had great grades. I guess the difference is we put education above all else(besides family), your JOB is to get great grades in school. Btw,I’m down right appalled that children have no idea of howvto set a proper table and find it weird when children aren’t contributing to the household via chores. Funny thing is that is where the strictness ends,accordingto Dad my kids have too much freedom. And please keep in mind I have a 4 and 7year old, no need for them to be burning the midnight oil or being too serious about any hobby.
Whatever works in your family works for you.
So THAT’S why that fight about the cd seemed so edited and strange. Also why Abby didn’t just say, “Chloe’s the featured dancer so she wears the green dress.” At least when this show completely makes stuff up, it does so in a way that we can see the ripped seams and eventually fill in what really happened. Sort of. That is extra, super bad about the cd not really skipping if it’s true. Did they just film the audience doing standing ovations for other people and loop them together or something?
@gun kata, on that Dance Moms site they were talking about how the girls could have been marked down for wearing jazz shoes in a ballet number. I noticed in the picture you posted that Nia is wearing ballet shoes. I wonder what on earth was going on with that episode?
Moli: I respect that. Everyone needs to do what works for their family.
I actually never had chores growing up. My mother was OCD about cleaning and so she would rather do it herself. I turned out just fine if not great. My only job was dance and schoolwork and I was stellar at both. I actually don’t make my kids do any chores besides pick up your toys and learn to dress yourself, etc. I will probably keep it that way their whole life besides asking them to do the odd thing here or there. I don’t see chores as their job. Its my job. I want them to play and enjoy their childhood. They have the rest of their lives to do chores. See, different philosophies but both can work.
Ballet also should not have flips and aerials. Just saying. Not ballet technique. They probably entered as open though but called it a ballet number.
They said that about the aerials too, April. And that it wasn’t called a ballet number. I was just wondering why the switch to ballet shoes in the picture with Kendall. I wondered if Abby had had to make a mash-up of a ballet number to accomodate getting rid of Kendall for the episode. It must not be such a loser of a number as the moms made it to be.
@April, I’ve checked the competition schedule and, yes, that dance was entered as Open (I need a new hobby, clearly!)
Has anyone found any more feedback about the cd skipping or not? I would consider not watching anymore if they really did make that up. The amount of lying involved on everyone’s part would be too much to bear. I think.
@Moli: I am big on kids having chores, my step-son (11) has more than a lot of kids. He is responsible for his room, picking up after himself, i.e. clothes, dishes, etc… He also had to help with yard work, car maintenance, laundry, and dinners. We want him to be well rounded and know how to be self-sufficient when he leaves our home so we believe that he needs to help with pretty much everything. But he also starts on his baseball team, basketball team, and football team and is a straight-A student, we believe that school comes first, but physical activities are also very important because you learn lessons that you can’t with homework, (team work, sportsman ship, how to lose, how to win, etc). I think everyone has their own way to raise kids and one is not better than another, but it’s interesting to see how other people are doing it.
When I was younger I used to cower in fear reading posts like some of the ones on here because I too wanted to raise self-sufficient, well-rounded children with good grades and lots of friends. My plans were hampered by various things like the fact that it took my son at least two hours to do his homework every night (sitting at the kitchen table, with me watching him). Like divorce. Like total inaptitude for athletics that made it hard to make friends. Like all kinds of things that were beyond my control. Being present for your kids and aware of what they need and what works best for them is harder than I ever thought it would be. There isn’t any one way to do it that is a safe and sure route to success.
@KRB, SELF-SUFFICIENT! Good idea with having them help Bear(my husband) with car maintenance(tad older though), I hadn’t thought of that one. Everyone has their idea of what is good for their children and child rearing is total trial and error. Shoot for all I know in a few years we will be eating all meals in the car and only have everyone together on holidays.
In the photos, Kendall is wearing ballet shoes, as well (nia’s appear to be point shoes, which concerns me, as she is too young to be en pointe yet). The show constantly mislabels dances, though. Mack’s are often called “lyrical”, when it’s really acro. Lyrical is what Maddie does.
OMG, I had plenty of chores. More than my friends. My family ate dinner together. Some nights I was gone, some nights I was there, some nights I got to eat leftovers and wash the dishes after getting home late (yuck!). I don’t think the last part was planned in advance. Things can go wrong.
Moli’s kids 4 and 7 are really not the same as Brooke who is 14. A 14 year old knows what she wants to do. Only a very, very few little kids are set on a particular course. An example would be Wayne Gretzky. He says he wanted to play or practice or watch hockey every second. He tells parents it is not possible for them to make their kids practice as much as he did. He begged his father to take him to practice constantly. His father eventually flooded the backyard and let it freeze so he didn’t have to spend every second he wasn’t working at the park (his father played minor league hockey, that’s why Wayne wanted him… his mother was good at skating, but not hockey). Maddie seems to be kind of like Wayne. It’s very unusual for any kid. Wayne says only one of his sons shows as much interest in hockey. They tried giving him other things, he didn’t want those things (he said this some years ago, it might have changed). The others like it, but not as much as that one.
People try to make kids do things sometimes like Cathy bribing Vivi Anne… it only sort of works. (Obviously, Vivi has a low ability to dance, so she isn’t getting that great of results.) Until the kid eventually puts an end to it.
I am not even sure that the CD being played for Maddie’s dance was the same one we heard on TV. Who knows what was happening IRL. But, I believe SOMETHING happened with the CD. Abby looked like she crapped her pants. I don’t know if people commenting on tumblr means that much since it is easy to get competition results IRL and on TV mixed up since they are months apart.
Every one I ever have looked up are similar to the show. Sometimes they simplified things for us or the results were incomplete. So, that part is sort of the same.
@Moli- Luckily, my step-son likes helping with car maintenance and loves spending extra time with his dad, he’s been “helping” since he was tiny, or at least laying under there with my husband! He like helping cook, but it’s hard to get him to do laundry, cleaning his room, an the “boring” chores! LOL!
@Maryedith- I think that most people want that for their children. I’m actually a little different, I kind of wish that the kiddo would drop a sport, and we’ve been trying to guide him to what he’s better at really focus on that, but he says “I like them all” but I don’t think that he LOVES any of them. He is really into art and air planes so we are trying to find activities that are in those areas.
I think that this is what makes the show interesting is that these kids are working for hours, while other kids would have wanted to stop. I think that Maddie really, really loves to dance, not that the other girls don’t, she just seems to have a little more drive.
@PageantGrandma – my studio used to put ribbons on ballet shoes, I guess to make them look like pointe shoes, so I’m guessing/hoping that this is the case here
From what I can tell in that picture Nia has pointe shoes on, or they put ribbons on her ballet shoes and not on K’s so that wouldn’t make sense. Either way we have never seen the ALDC girls do pointe on the show, or at least not that I can remember, so they probably just reused the dresses for another number that wasn’t on the show.
Just to put my two cents in on the issue of Brooke going to the dance, the reason that it is a big deal for Brooke or anyone to miss dance
@PagentGrandma – How old should someone be when they start pointe?
Sorry I didn’t mean to post yet, what I was saying is it isn’t fair for the other girls when one girl misses for something. I never missed dance so I always felt that it was unfair when I made sacrifices and then other girls missed dance because they wanted to go to a birthday party or something because it effects everyone in the number when one person isn’t there. Re working numbers isn’t that hard, but it is a waste of time to constantly be pulling people out and putting people back in, especially for the girls who show up all the time and miss out on other things they would like to do because they are the ones who have to do the extra work to re block numbers. School dances are a big deal and it would have been something that Abby would have known about for months, but missing rehearsal to go to the movies is disrespecting all of the other members of the team because you are saying that their time isn’t important. Rehearsing without one girl for a group number is pointless in the long run because so much will have to be redone once everyone is there.
Here are the results for the competition from this show. Looks like Dance House and Big City Dance were the ones gunning for them. The only other studio that’s not competing all of the time is in the Power division, so if they threw all that up against ALDC they wasted their time.
One interesting thing. Nia and Maddy are the only ones in their division who didn’t compete (at least) two solos. Thanks bitchy moms, sez Abby.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.energyndc.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F05%2FCompetition-Results-for-Waterford.pdf&ei=_ajkT9TBBJSm8ATDu5HqCQ&usg=AFQjCNHG3ym72SIvxVDUm0VhJM56buTMbQ
@KRB the age girls should be when they start pointe is different for every girl. I know that if you start pointe too young you can do serious damage to your body. My ballet teacher growing up was put on pointe too young and she was told by a doctor when she was 18 that she had to stop doing pointe or she would be in a wheelchair by 25, it was something to the bones in her legs which had become bowed because she was developed enough when she started. Anyway, most girls are arounead 11-13 I would say when they start, but again it is different for every person because there is a lot of muscle strength you need to be able to be on pointe correctly, I got my pointe shoes when I was 10 and 1/2 but I wasn’t allowed to leave the barre for a year and a half because my feet weren’t strong enough yet.
I hope that is the case– though it’s weird them that Kendall doesn’t also have ribbons. We had a ton of chores as kids– I grew up on a small farm and there were stalls to be cleaned and critters to be fed, and it had to happen before practice. We developed a strong work ethic, as a result. I do the same with my kids. Their “job” is school. Mine is work. Taking care of our home is all of our responsibility, and the kids were expected to contribute more or less from the time they could walk.
Selfasborbed, I thought Chloe missed her classes not rehearsal?
I don’t get why the people on this show don’t pick up the phone and make a call. Christi could have called earlier in that day to let them know not to expect Chloe. Just not showing caused a disruption since three teachers went looking for her. If those were the coveted privates, someone else could have been scheduled. But, no one ever calls… is it because they are paying for the lessons so don’t feel like they have to say anything? I don’t get it.
Oh, and “who rats out a 10 year old”? Christi, they weren’t ratting out Chloe, they were ratting out YOU. You are 34 years old.
But in a competitive environment kids who slack off will get ratted out. (This does not apply to people doing whatever as a hobby for fun.) Not calling appears like slacking. Being seen somewhere else seems like slacking. Personally, I do not care if she went to the movies or went to class, but Christi knows the way things are.
What I wonder … were there two green dresses? Maybe Paige and Kendall wore green dresses in some number so THAT is why it was so upsetting to Paige to change. That was “her” dress. But, Kelly is a moron if she thought having a different dress from everyone was a good plan. If she was the featured dancer, o.k., but not with her off to the side.
Nia is 11. Apparently she is taking more dance than she did first season.
Pointe should absolutely NOT be started before (a) you have solid ballet technique to begin with, (b) you have significant lower body strength, and (c, and this is where a lot of young dancers get done a disservice, and are started too early) your feet have stopped growing. From what I can see, only the leg- strength criterium applies to nia.
@Gun Kata I have no idea which one it was because in the talking head Christi says “my kid misses one rehearsal and now she is at the bottom” but during the pyramid Abby says “you need to be in class”. I don’t understand how class works at ALDC because we don’t see it on the show that often. I know that we ran dances a lot during “class time” and from what the moms were saying on the Joffery epi I would think that ballet class is often turned into rehearsal time.
Also good point on the “who rats out a 10 year old” comment.
How old is Nia? I was thinking 11 or 12, so she might be old enough, correct?
Sorry, just read your comment P-Grandma…
It doesn’t really look like Nia has a lot of ballet to me, but I never did dance so I have really no idea. I saw something where Holly was saying that Nia was like a yellow belt in karate, and did several other activities other than dance, maybe they dropped some of those to do more dance?
Selfasborbed, maybe she missed rehearsal AND class if more than one teacher came to Abby.
There is a specific ballet teacher at ALDC. I think when Nia started dancing, she had other activities. But, I kind of believe she has gone over into more dance classes.
Since Nia is seated in that photo, she may only be wearing the pointe shoes (if those are pointe shoes). Kendall is a good bit younger than Nia. So, she wouldn’t be doing pointe yet (probably). Nia just turned 11 and Kendall is maybe 9. Although, there is a photo online of Maddie in pointe shoes and she is standing. But, she’s not dancing. Do they not sometimes put girls in demi pointe and have them stand to get them used to when they will transition to pointe? I have only read about this. A lot of people say to have a doctor check. I have also heard that a girl’s ballet instructor should help her choose shoes. So, it’s possible Maddie doesn’t really do pointe since she does seem quite young.
We have de-shanked pointe shoes for students (taking out the part that makes them point shoes) and had girls dance in them for the point shoe “look” but not dancing en pointe.
Nia is strong enough that if she has started pointe, she’ll probably be okay…ankle and leg strength are crucial. The feet don’t absolutely have to have stopped growing, but it is better if they are close to that point.
I’ve been dancing en pointe since I was about 11 (I’m 34 now). My only problem to date was bunion surgery last year (and that’s more hereditary than anything for me!!)
http://dancemomsismylife.tumblr.com/
if you scroll down you’ll see maddie in her pointe shoes
I wish someone had taken video of Maddie’s dance where the cd skipped (or didn’t). I’m not sure what to believe. Both reality shows and information given anonymously over the internet are pretty unreliable lol
Gun kata makes a good point. I was not at dance every day till about 13/14. Before then it was maybe 1 to 2 nights a week. I do feel younger kids need lots of time to free play especially outside. So we did not get super involved in activities till at least 10. You can compete at a younger age, but you don’t have to be there every day. Our juniors were about 8 to 10 ish and they only had class once to twice a week. Then we did extra practices right before competitions. They still had lots of free time.
The pointe shoes is a concern. I started at 13. Any earlier than like 12 and you can do damage. Maybe 11.
Most of what I know about ballet comes from reading ballet novels as a child and even I shivered when I saw the pointe shoes! I assumed that they weren’t real, so what SaraKate said makes sense to me.
Ooh, yeah. 9 is too young. Much too young. She’ll be 10 later this year, but not until September, I think.
Not good.
Wasn’t there a big problem with little girls being put into pointe shoes too young back in the seventies? I remember my mother looking around for a place for me to dance and being shocked at the little girls in pointe shoes. Or maybe this is just a perennial problem?
I really think kids who really want to be into something as heavily as these girls are into dance will let their parents know. Such as more than one person remarking Maddy takes as many dances classes as she can. The photo of her in pointe shoes seems too early, but perhaps she begged to just try? I don’t know…every other photo she is just wearing slippers.
Nia, I think, has asked to do more classes than she did before. She has improved quite a bit (though she still has a way to go). I saw most of the first season after the second season and I was shocked at the change in Nia. So, she’s an older kid putting dance above some other things she could be doing.
Brooke, I believe, wants to dance despite the way she acts on the show. I believe this because she competes with the regular competition group and this one. That is a lot of dancing! Maybe her going to her school dance (or asking to) is a way to bring in Payton and maybe even Brandon again. (Speculating.) Having more dancers would take the burden off some of the younger kids and still keep the show interesting. Nia and Mackenzie’s duet shows dancers of two different ages can do interesting numbers together.
I believe Maddie’s freakout was real and people were worried for her. Even producers guys can see next it’ll be Chloe and on down the line if they keep having to keep up this pace. Chloe’s doctor may very well have ordered her just to relax, but Christi just should’ve let the teacher know.
Now, my fiance has brought up the point that maybe KELLY wants to quit dance. Before, her kids didn’t compete as much as they do on this show. Brooke is on two teams. Her son is playing hockey (she says her husband takes him to things). This may be an entirely subconscious desire of hers which is why she keeps trying to prove points to Abby in inane ways.
Such as not letting Brooke and Paige do their solos. That mattered to them more than Abby. I wouldn’t doubt there is more to it than we saw, but what we saw was nuts. Also, I don’t know why I didn’t think of this before, but people are coming to competitions to see these girls dance. When they scratch, it is a bigger deal than it normally would be. Now, sometimes a person MUST scratch. No one should go out injured or with no clue on earth what to do after the first eight counts. But, maybe that’s what Abs means when she goes on about the scratches affecting her reputation.
So, if Kelly needs a mental health day… maybe she should talk to someone about making token appearances and chilling at home while her daughters practice for a few days.
Oh, and I think the music messed up in some way. Maybe not exactly how we were shown. Maybe it skipped over and started playing a different song which would be why someone besides ALDC people may not notice. I just think something did go wrong.
And music messing up doesn’t guarantee a win (not that second place is winning). Victor mentioned music several times (starting/ending at the wrong place, etc). I just think Abby never mentioned it (or it wasn’t shown). But, then Victor usually met his dancers as they came off stage.
Anyone else totally wanted to slap some sense into Kelly this episode? (This was probably mentioned but i don’t want to read 157 comments. I’ve been slacking >.<) Someone needs to tell her Abby is not purposely trying to sabotage her kids. For the costumes, it only made sense for Chloe to get the one different one considering she was in the middle, just like how back in season 1 they did Sugar Daddies (I think that was what it was called) and they were one prop short, Maddie was the one not to get one since she was in the middle. It's not sabotage, it's sensible. Sure Abby could of gotten the dresses tailored again so they'd fit the other one, but she was in no way sabotaging Paige. It was only for the good of the dance, which I think looked much more visually appealing then if Paige had the one different one.
As for the music skipping wtf? Get over it! How would Abby purposely scratch a cd so Maddie could win. Thats something that is very scary of a thing to happen to a young girl during a competition and with Maddie, it would clearly be quite terrifying for her considering last time. There's no reason that Abby would purposely put that much stress on her. She should have listened to it before and swapped. Or maybe she did listen to it before and realized it skipped but didn't have a spare cd since Maddie wasn't origionally going to be doing it, and warned Maddie since she didn't look to surprised that it happened. Who knows with this show. But Kelly needs to know NO ONE IS SABOTAGING YOUR KIDS!!!!!!!!
The whole thing about pulling out the contract to Kelly and putting her girls on probation was just stupid. She’s already said on national T.V., that she can’t “kick out” any of the Dance Moms or girls, because they have a contract with lifetime. She wanted to kick out Christi, but they told her she can’t (or I guess she would be breaking her lifetime contract), and I’m sure now she probably would like to kick out Kelly too, but she can’t, so the whole part about she’ll make the girls leave is so stupid. The one part that show Kelly saying, “I’m just going to stay her to make Abby miserable,” (or something along those lines..) was probably correct. Since it works both ways (the moms can’t leave and Abby can’t kick them out), they all can act however they want, but know they’ll still be there dancing, watching their kid dance. Still, if it were me, I think for my daughter’s sake, I would try to make it as pleasant as possible and not deliberately piss Abby off. I hate seeing the girls punished, when it has nothing to do with them.. I would also do whatever I could to get out of that contract. Abby most definitely DOES play favorites and treats some kids much better than others, and in a way I do think she “sabotages” in a sense. She does not want to see Chloe come up ahead of Maddie- I definitely believe that! She doesn’t need to worry about Paige or any of the others I don’t think, but since Chloe and Maddie are both close in ability, I think it does get her goat whenever Chloe beats out Maddie, which pisses me off. I mean, really, they are both her students. She really does hate Christi though (she has said so many times), and I think she hurts Christi through Chloe.
Also, I think it was a really shitty thing for Melissa to snitch on Chloe/Christi. Yeah, maybe she should have gone to class after the Dr. appt., but the Dr. did (according to Christi) tell her that Chloe shouldn’t dance for that day, or maybe even longer, so she probably felt like why not take my daughter to a movie and have some fun? Still, yeah, she should have called, but don’t think it was that horrible of a thing to do. I think what’s worse is Melissa snitching her out to make Chloe look bad, therefore trying to make HER daughter look BETTER, which was her intention, I’m sure. For instance, “Oh, all the other girls can’t wait to leave, but Maddie.. I have to pull her out of her at the end of the day,” “CHloe is ALWAYS rolling her eyes at you in class,” etc.. I can’t stand Melissa!!
I agree with Dani about the Chloe missing class thing. Sounds like she was going to have to miss because of the Dr thing regardless so might as well go see a movie. On the other hand, even when I hurt my ankle and could not dance I still showed up and sat and watched. So maybe Melissa does have a point about Maddie being more dedicated. I think she is. But they are still little kids so I am more forgiving at this age than I would be at say 16. At 16 I would say if you are supposed to rest than bring a chair and rest at the studio while watching the dance so you will not be too far behind.
April – this is totally off topic but I have scoliosis as well and actually am a soccer player so I know what you mean about exercise helping out your back. How bad is your curve and did you find it worsened after having children?
I know this moment has kind of passed, but I just wanted to comment about whether “Helen Keller” is an old routine of another student’s or of Maddie’s: I noticed that when Maddie was rehearsing it Abby said “Let’s put an aerial in here. I forgot you did an aerial at the end.” So I think it is one of Maddie’s old dances that was undefeated.
@Dani – I half agree and half disagree – I think that it’s silly for Melissa to “Tattle” on Chloe/Christi, however if everyone is always saying that Maddie gets special treatments and more privates, this could simply be Melissas way of saying why. I think that if it’s true that she is there from right after school (I heard that she was home schooled now, btw) till it closes then I would think that she would get “special” treatment, extra help and maybe more attention. Esp. if other students have a habit of missing classes, complain when they’re there, goof off, etc… I have been on teams when others worked hard and were given more opportunities for it, and I’ve also coached and been with kids who really want to work, show up early and stay late and it’s easy to give them more opportunities then the kids who are late, miss practices, don’t have proper gear, and things like that…. It was silly to bring it up, but possibly it was part of a bigger conversation.
Zedd: Its not a super bad curve. It is within the zone where they don’t do much for it. Just rounded shoulders. It did get way worse after I had my twins or at least my whole back hurts now and I have ad arthritis in lower spine and it is all outta whack hardcore. I was talking about it on the Teen Moms comments. I had to get on pain pills after the pregnancy and was in pain a lot. It is not as bad now since my kids are five and mostly I never have to lift or carry them anymore. When I had to carry them all the time it was bad enough that I was miserable.
April – I hear you! I have a 1 year old and I am miserable but my curve is pretty bad so I’m actually getting the surgery. I’m hoping to run a half marathon before and then one after I heal just to prove something to myself I guess lol *cheers* here’s to the crooks of the world like us
Good luck on your surgery and the marathons.
New to these recaps and chat things about dance moms. I was trying to find some real life research and this site seems to have the best dirt!
Don’t know if this has been shared, but I thought it was funny enough to do it again. For a good laugh you tube search dance moms/mean girls parody. Hysterical! And who ever had the time on their hands to cut that together, two thumbs up.