Real Housewives of DC: Not a @#*$ Clue!

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   Alison Z
   Posted September 25, 2010 at 12:24 pm

   Fucker County! That is awesome! Great recap BBtiz I found Mic’s cheerleading one of the best parts. Laughed my ass off. She is the only one that I have ever seen make lookind dumb an artform! I found it kind of funny that Mr Salami was asking for money upfront for that book, and the fact that Mic wanted to know if she had to write. She can’t write, but she sure can talk. WTF bitch! Did they not teach you that in kindergarden?

   I was pretty surprised that Cat just got up and walked away from Erika. I get that Erika doesn’t like her, but come on, WE all know you hate her because she doens’t like Tyra, I don’t like Tyra, I think that bitch is overrated! Thats just me though.

   I also really like Lynda. She may say some messed up bullshit things, but she seems to be the only one that is not in any drama, calls bullshit when she sees it, and is just plain pretty cool. I so want to steal Ichiban, that poor doggie needs a diet, you know that is where all the left over bacon goes after breakfast on Sundays!

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   Robinez
   Posted September 25, 2010 at 12:59 pm

   Hi Bbitz,

   I am pretty sure the kid that didn’t like ice cream was the Ice Queen Erika’s kid.. back to reading..

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   DagnyTagggart
   Posted September 25, 2010 at 1:21 pm

   Brilliant recap! It was a real disappointment to no longer like Stacie and her hub very much. Religion is a hell of a drug. I think the Salahi book title was “Wine War and Roses,” a play on “The War and The Roses,” starring a still feminine Kathleen Turner and Michael Douglas. Maybe I misheard it – I watch with the volume low so that no one ever learns I watch this crap.

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   whoochile
   Posted September 25, 2010 at 1:22 pm

   Oh! I just love you bbitz!!! Damn, you gave us some good lynda, but what about MORE ichi!!! You are awesome. I still haven’t seen this epi, it is on in 40 mins. Gah! I love Cat but the gruesome twosome scare the bejesus out of me. your photoshop will give me nightmares for several nights. I guess I’ll have to get the chard iv drip out to sedate me.
   Great recap as usual

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   Bridget Miller
   Posted September 25, 2010 at 2:33 pm

   My favorite part of Mic posing as a cheerleader was how she ran around hugging unsuspecting cheerleaders. Then the lady teaching the dance came up to move her to the back of the line and Mic just started hugging and apologizing for being late. It was obvious that the instructor had no idea who Mic was and was not going up to her to be hugged. How fucking awkward.

   I wonder if Erika doesn’t like Cat because Cat took her place on the show? Because she seems to be gunning for Cat for no reason. Unless she is pissed because she thinks that Cat is a racist.

   I think that I would super duper love Lynda the best, if I didn’t think that she was running a whore house and not a modeling company.

   Also I am with you BBitz on the whole gay marriage issue. I was yelling at Stacie. It is good that you weren’t alive in the 1960′s, bitch, because your father could have gotten fucking lynched for having sex with your mother. People who say that gay marriage is not the same as black people being told they can’t marry white people, but I believe that it is the same. Equal rights are equal rights. Alright end of rant. Off soap box.

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   jayem
   Posted September 25, 2010 at 2:36 pm

   I SO agree with you about Stacie and Jason. That line of thinking makes me automatically not like someone so much. I call it sheep-thinking. As in, go with the herd and don’t think for yourself. Not cool. Your argumment was brilliantly concise and very well said. I don’t care if you use your religion to make your personal decisions, but don’t use it to make mine.

   Regarding Cat vs. Erica, I am totally Team Cat. Erica was SO out of line it wasn’t even funny. She is the girl who goes after someone in hopes that a mob mentality will take over the group. Yes, Cat is rude and abrasive sometimes, but Erica managed to make her look sweet and polite in comparison. I find it telling that almost every time Stacie has a vignette, Erica is right there. Either she’s angling for some camera time, or she’s Single White (Black? Mixed??) Female-ing Stacie.

   Lynda is my favorite too. She seems very laid back and kind and I appreciated her sticking up for Cat. Even Mary said something! She might be a dumb*ss pushover, but she is a decent friend.

   No comment on the Salahi’s, except that I laughed hysterically at Mic’s cheerleading. She sucked! I’m convinced that was some sort of paid “Come Hang Out With The Redskinettes and Be A Cheerleader For a Whole Day” charity type of thing. Most of those ladies looked, um, shall we say experienced? (And by that I mean old.) And no one seemed to be paying attention to the routine cause they were too busy hugging and taking pictures.

   Great recap and looking forward to next week!

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   Bridget Miller
   Posted September 25, 2010 at 2:49 pm

   Also I am sure that the joke has been made before, but the book: The True Story: Cirque Du Salahi: Be Careful Who You Trust. Is that a warning to all the people that the Salahis may encounter in future business transactions.

   I am just amazed at how delusional the Salamis are. I wonder how deep it really goes.

   Also I didn’t know that hags get special treatment among the gays. Now that I know that they do- I am going to wear my hag tag with more pride than I normally do. Thanks for the info- BBitz. I am going to tell the fruits that I am always buzzing around about this.

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   ohionancy
   Posted September 25, 2010 at 3:46 pm

   Bbitz – I just finished reading the last 2 recaps & want to thank you for the big laughs – you really do good with such limited content.

   I was also disappointed in Stacey & her husband – & it’s so ironic that as minorities in our country they wouldn’t be open to another groups point of view. What is so hard to understand about equal rights for everyone – men, women, african american, white, gay, straight, adults, children – everyone.

   Michaele cheerleading was hilarious – you could tell none of those other girls had any idea who she was. Wouldn’t it be pretty easy to verify if she was ever a cheerleader – they would have to have some kind of records?

   And PCheez – if you are reading this – I just read your comment on last weeks recap – & Lolly & her adverb stand took a few seconds to sink in – but as a child of the 70′s when it did I almost cried I was laughing so hard

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   urfavegirl
   Posted September 25, 2010 at 3:50 pm

   I was so disappointed with Jason & Stacie this episode & it made me love Lynda even more than she said she was brought up Southern Baptist, but didn’t share their views. She’s awesome. Cat can be somewhat bitchy, but to me she’s still likable. Erika on the other hand is just a nasty person. She’s looking for a way to get more TV time, and had Cat not been going through a rough time I think she would have ripped her a new one. I hope at some point she does.

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    Prodigal Cheez
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Awesome recap BBitz!

    This franchise of RH is so different from the other ones, I’m drawn to it in a completely different way. I find these women, other than Missy, to be very relatable and even te tough stuff like that scene with Erika and Cat is really compelling.

    I’ve been noticing as the show progresses the strain in Cat’s whole demeanor – even her face looked drawn while she was interacting with CHULLS about the photographs. I’ve really come to like Cat, and I think she’s in unbelievable pain over this marriage. CHULLS left me a little cold in this episode, he doesn’t seem to understand that a woman like Cat isn’t going to be happy functioning as an addendum to his career. I think she feels misled and cheated by his absence, obviously if she knew that was his lifestyle she wouldn’t have married him, he must have been available to her before they married or she would have known how impossible a marriage with him would be – I think he chooses to be away because he wasn’t really ready for the marriage or the instant family. Cat’s heartbreak is so clear as I watch her, I can’t help but love her a little bit for maintaining her ballsy style.

    Stacie’s Whine and I Scream Party (hee hee!) was just awful. Erika was so totally out of line from the minute Cat walked in the door, I wanted to reach through the screen and slap her. I initially liked her, but as I see more and more of her I find her abrasive and mean-spirited. She knows better than to call another woman names, and she was relentless. Cat did every thing she could to diffuse and deflect, and Erika just went after her all night. That scene at the end of the evening when she ordered Cat not to give her “bad body language” sealed the deal for me – I’ve officially had enough of Erika’s bullshit. Stacie should have been way more upset, if I ever had friend of mine corner and attack a guest of mine like that in my home, I would have stepped in and made it clear that their behavior would an insult to me as the hostess and it wouldn’t be tolerated. What kind of person continues to go after someone who was so upset and hurt, especially in front of their children – that was just so wrong. And uncomfortable to watch.

    I can NOT even begin to wrap my mind around Missy’s cheerleading scam!! WTF?!?! Even though that was probably one of her more minor scams in terms of collateral damage, in my mind it was by far one of the most startling episodes in terms of witnessing her pathological powers of self-delusion. How bizarre that she hugged and mugged these woman who clearly had no idea who she was. When that coach went up to her in the line, she was pulling her out of it to place her in a less visible space – Missy hugged her as an attempt to disguise what was going on – if you look at her face, you could see she was scared she was going to be confronted. I’ve said before that I think Tareq is bad news, but I think Missy is the sick one. She manufactured that Redskinette lie all by herself, and went on camera to promote false information and played her con to the end. She is a sociopath.

    I was disappointed in Stacie and Jason about their stance on gay marriage. I can understand a church denying a religious ceremony if that part of the tenets of the church – how people practice religion is a choice and if you adhere to specific set of religious principles then you have the right to any opinion of your choosing. As a point of law, legal marriage should be looked upon as a delivery system for sharing financial, health and contractual rights between two people. Gay people should not be legally precluded from making medical decisions for their partners, having their wealth put at risk for probate because their partnership is not granted marital status, nor should they be constrained in regards to planning for their futures. I’m a registered Republican, as I’ve stated before – but placing a religious standard as a benchmark for writing laws seems like it would violate the spirit behind separating church and state.

    Stacie and Jason have a right to their opinion, just as Paul Wharton does, but they should not have attended that meeting because their minds were already made up. Their presence there was a distraction, and they probably lost a friend in the process – how can that be good for anyone?

    And I think Cat was completely within her rights and appropriate to dismiss Erika, no one should ever be expected to ease the way for someone who treats them with cruelty or disrespect. Fuck Erika.

    I think Lolly is smart and dynamic, but her dependence on her parents is pretty ridiculous. Anyone at her age who quits a job because they don’t like it, and without lining something else up first is irresponsible. Mary obviously gets something from having Lolly stay home – but she’s being a lazy parent. Rich was angry, and she should have sided with her husband not her daughter – Marriage 101: It’s a partnership. It isn’t really about Lolly, just as the biometric closet isn’t about Lolly; it’s about Mary. Mary is passive-agressive, and she needs to get her hands dirty and raise her expectations.

    The book-writing meeting with the Salami’s was totally ridiculous. It’s yet another testament to their dual-psychosis about how important they are. How childish, and what an example of “magical thinking” – “Why, we’re only going to work with the publisher who sees how invaluable our story is… Now about that advance…”. They are dangerous fools.

    PS – @ohionancy, every time I hear her name, “Lolly, Lolly, Lolly Get Your Adverbs Here!” rings through my otherwise empty head! LOL!

    I hate Teresa!

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    Bahu Rupiya
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Thanks for bestowing upon me the cardio-vascular benefit of hearty laughter!

    After laughing at your summary, I got to laugh at myself for initially liking Stacie lots, and Lynda not so much, but after only a few episodes, now look! I suspect Lynda of being too, hm, what’s the word I’m looking for? Decent? Yes!

    Lynda may be too decent to be on a reality show. Her primary Secret Sin appears to be that she wishes she were younger. For this I am hardly in a position to condemn her.

    @Prodigal Cheez I agree with you that Stacie and Jason would probably have felt more comfortable attending a different event. I’m guessing the producers wanted them there.

    I’m about 99% sure now that somebody over at Bravo did their Communications Thesis on cognitive dissonance and is just proud as penguins that they get to put that puppy into practical application in a real live communications media vehicle!

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    Mari Roberson
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    “SQUIRREL!!!”

    I love that! LOL
    Back to reading!

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    Mari Roberson
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    OMG!!! That picture of Tree has made me laugh until I have tears rolling down my cheeks! Everytime I picture it in my mind, I start laughing all over again. I can just imagine her screaming “I LOVE YOU BBITZ!!”, in some King Kong like voice.

    Okay…think I’ve recovered enough to keep reading!

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    Mari Roberson
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Absolutely fantastic recap!! Lynda is my favorite by far. I think Mary identifies with Lolly in that she said that her father helped both she and Rich out when they were first married and had a child. But I think Rich is trying not to allow Lolly to make the same possible mistake as he did growing up buy relying to much on your parents to bail you out.

    Mic’s cheerleading fiasco was just that. I haven’t cheered in over 20 years, but I still remember the first 8 counts to my pom pom routine. That shit gets drilled in your head over and over and over. When the song comes on the radio, I can still see the routine in my head. What a crazy bitch!!

    I definitely don’t get Erika and thought the same thing @Alison did…she’s jealous Cat is on the show and she isn’t! That’s why she is always around Stacy. I think if her kids hadn’t been within earshot, Cat would have ripped Erika a new one. But all she kept saying was she had to get the girls out, and I don’t blame her. Thank God for Linda. Again.

    Again, a most AWESOME recap Bbitz!
    I hate Erika and LOATHE the Salamis!!

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    marijai
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    Absolutely fantastic recap!! Lynda is my favorite by far. I think Mary identifies with Lolly in that she said that her father helped both she and Rich out when they were first married and had a child. But I think Rich is trying not to allow Lolly to make the same possible mistake as he did growing up buy relying to much on your parents to bail you out.

    Mic’s cheerleading fiasco was just that. I haven’t cheered in over 20 years, but I still remember the first 8 counts to my pom pom routine. That shit gets drilled in your head over and over and over. When the song comes on the radio, I can still see the routine in my head. What a crazy bitch!!

    I definitely don’t get Erika and thought the same thing @Alison did…she’s jealous Cat is on the show and she isn’t! That’s why she is always around Stacy. I think if her kids hadn’t been within earshot, Cat would have ripped Erika a new one. But all she kept saying was she had to get the girls out, and I don’t blame her. Thank God for Linda. Again.

    I wasn’t really surprised at Stacy and Jason’s reaction. Most of the black people I know don’t support gay marriage and don’t equate that struggle with their own. I’m sure I’ll get taken to task over that statement, but it’s just my opinion based on the people I personally know. Homosexuality is usually even less acceptable in the black community and I think that has something to do with it. Again, my opinion.

    Again, a most AWESOME recap Bbitz!
    I hate Erika and LOATHE the Salamis!!

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    chemgal
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Don’t worry marijai, cause after what I say, no one will bother going after you!

    First, I don’t like Lynda. Lynda says all the right things, but there is something about her. She is just smart enough to not show it. I think she’s the nastiest one of them all.

    Second, I loved Cat from the beginning and now I just want to mommy her. It is clear she is horribly homesick and gave up everything, her home, her job, her friends, her family because she thought she had reconnected with her one true love and now he leaves her all alone with her kids. Making friends as an adult is way harder than making friends when you are a child or a teenager or even a brand new mom. With kids the age hers are, even if you like the parents, your kids usually don’t like their kids. Or the kids your kids are friends with, you don’t like the parents.

    Third, I don’t hate Stacie and Jason and in fact admire them more for not doing the PC thing and agreeing in public but not in private. I live in Maine and recently we had a people’s veto of the gay marriage law. It was shocking that it was recalled, no one thought it would be recalled. In the end, all the people who SAID they supported it were full of shit and while voting in private, voted to veto it. And, I myself have issues with how the laws are written. I am of the opinion that the only option the state should offer is a civil union, regardless of if you are straight or gay. A civil union would confer all the same rights as marriage between a man and woman currently do. Marriage should remain a religious ceremony that a couple and their religious leader can decide to partake in. Some churches have no issue with performing a ceremony for their gay members. Other churches don’t.

    Finally, Salami stick has gotten away with her scams because most people would rather pretend they know someone rather than risk being embarrassed. (same way woman tend to put themselves in harms way because they fear offending someone – read the gift of fear, it will change how you go through life). It was clear a lot of those woman had no idea who she was, yet not one person called her on it.

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    Prodigal Cheez
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    @chem I agree with you about Civil Unions, I think half the problem with the hole debate is language. A state may legalize gay marriage, but if you’re Catholic you still won’t be able to be married in the church and it would by highly unlikely that an ordained priest would bless the union much less officiate. I have a lot of gay friends, and their fears about not having legal standing in a medical emergency or estate planning are very valid, IMO.

    I started out liking Lynda, but I get less and less enamored of her with each episode. I think you’re right too @chem, I think she’s a very nasty woman. Every time I hear her intro about “I give people enough rope to hang themselves and the smart ones don’t…”, I think who gives a shit what you think? She runs a second-rate modeling agency, she’s not the social secretary at the White House. I was very put off by how she spoke to Stacie in the last episode about her birth mother. I thought it was very insensitive and condescending.

    I really don’t like it when people pretty much claim to have experiences parallel to whomever they are with. Her claim of reverse discrimination was absolutely ludicrous, and her reference to Ebong’s “nappy” chest hair was just obnoxious, WTF. I think Ebong is very accomplished and good-looking, and I always watch his scenes with Lynda feeling like she somehow diminishes him as a man.

    I can’t stand watching Missy, she lied and lied to the camera about her cheerleading; she lied and lied to her assistant about it too. I absolutely do not believe for even one minute that she has MS. Would it be advisable for someone with MS to get breast implants? That just seems like a strange thing to do if you’re ill.

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    ohralphie
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Stacie and Jasons views on gay marriage are – in my opinion – antiquated and hypocritical. Why hypocritical? It always astounds me how people can do their religious ‘no-nos’ like skipping church, divorcing or having premarital sex but suddenly become Jesus’ enforcers when it comes to gay marriage. Something tells me that Stacie and Jason were not virgins on their wedding day yet Stacie still wore white – hypocrits! Pure and simple.
    Keep religion out of my life – I don’t care if it is Sharia or Southern Baptist or Catholic or Wiccan, I do not want law to be based on someones religous convictions.

    Then too what pisses me off about Stacie and Jasons views is how quickly Stacie jumped to the conclusion that Cat was racist because she didn’t like Tyra Banks and acted like a bitch at her Aunts Sunday dinner. In other words she was quick to draw a line from hating a black entertainer + uncomfortable around a lot of black people = racist yet Stacie is against gay marriage based on religious convictions yet would be appalled at being called a bigot because of it.

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    J-Mo
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    I just wanna jump in (before it gets too crazy) and say bBitz, I LOVE YOU! I feel like we’re sisters and need to meet soon, so the next time I come to your neck of the woods let’s make it happen, these recaps are fucking HYSTERICAL, you are fucking HYSTERICAL and it’s making ME feel fucking HYSTERICAL.

    love, J-Mo

    P.S. A word about “marriage” versus “civil union”… here’s the thing: When people say that they will allow one for one set of people, and another for another set of people, but they have all the same things in them? That falls under the category of “separate but equal”, and that’s kinda the same thing as having bathrooms and lunch counters that only certain people can use. It’s still bigotry and subjugation, it’s just packaged much more nicely. Marriage is for us all.

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    Bionic Television
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Before I read the new recap & comments (psyched!) wanted to share before I forgot: earlier this week on Good Day L.A. (our local nutty morning show) Steve Edwards, one of the hosts (familiar to viewers of “The Soup” I’m sure) was talking about the Salahis and kept calling them “the Salamis” by mistake. It was awesome.

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    Pixielated
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    You’re right, JMo. People have got to realize that marriage is a contract between two people, not necessarily a religious ceremony. For instance, couples of certain religions still have to have a civil ceremony in addition to their religious rite. I believe this is true of Islam. I knew a man who had a Native American ceremony and had to also be married in court. I don’t know why that is, but I guess Christian and Jewish are considered “more legal” than the others?

    You can still have legal standing, community property, etc. without being married. However, this may not extend to gays (the community property anyhow). Everybody should have a will and/or living will to make sure that their wishes are honored in a medical emergency, and this can extend to giving power of attorney, executorship, etc. to their gay partner (or anybody they want to, really). The other issue is adoption, because some states won’t allow two people of the same sex to adopt a child. This is bad if the couple breaks up and only one person has a legal relationship to the child.

    I just wish religion had not become such a big part of politics. Talk about Big Brother! (Maybe it’s Big Father.)

    P.S. A lot of people don’t realize that several of our Founding Fathers were downright hostile towards religion, especially organized religion. Jefferson and Franklin, for sure. That’s why I really hate to hear religious conservatives talk about how religious all the Founding Fathers were, and that they didn’t intend to have a secular state, etc.

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    Robinez
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Dear Bbitz,

    Fantastical re-cap.:-) The screen cap of Ericunt all by herself was worth the price of admission. The Whitney,Paul connection is perfect! Bobbbyyyy!!

    Comparing gay marriage and interracial marriage was pretty much spot on where it concerns Stacie and Jason. I am just truly surprised that this thought hasn’t occured to them. I am reminded of the episode when Stacie told her “friends” that her mother was white. The looks on their faces looked like Bbitz’ screen cap of Cat’s daughter here. It is interesting….

    Thanks,Robin

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    Jason
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Paulina was right. Jason IS a homophobe, but doesn’t want to be called one. And what’s this crap about “if my hootin’ and hollerin’ preacher says it’s true, then it is?” Stacie, your preacher probably believes that e is not equal to mc2, that the earth was made in 6 days less than 5000 years ago, and that evolution is an evil, evil theory made up by blue-eyed devils. Do you believe that shit too? Because if you do, then Harvard Business School’s standards are back in the same sewer they were when they gave GWBush a degree. Damn, I live in DC, and these half-wit, half-educated, half-baked preachers are the bane of this town. Oh, and Stacie, who the hell do you think watches your dumb show in DC? The gheyz, that’s who. So the next time someone dumps your sorry ass and goes with another realtor, go cry before Preacher Homophobus Dumbus.

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    Matt Lam
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    Every time I see Erika, I think of Kim G. I think she’s a famewhore too.

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    Bionic Television
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    BBitz, I think this is totally your best recap to date. Bravo!

    @ohralphie, your comment #18 is SO right on (at least in my book).

    I think Ellen DeGeneres said it best when she described Civil Unions as someone telling her “You can sit here, but you can’t sit there.” It IS discrimination, period.

    Once I asked one of my best friends (who is gay) how he feels when someone says they are against gay marriage but emphatically maintain that they are NOT homophobic. My friend said, think about it – how can you say that you are not homophobic, but still think that homosexuals should not have the same rights as you do?

    While I don’t think that Jason & Stacie are malicious or bad people, they should think about what their adamant stance against marriage equality indicates. At least Stacie has some awareness that their position might be flawed (I’m thinking of her “seperate but equal” comment at dinner with Mary & Erika). They should also remember that people in the old days used the Bible/religion to justify racial prejudice and discrimination, too.

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    Prodigal Cheez
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    “Ericunt”… snickering @Robin!

    I think the Salami’s book should have been titled “The Liar, The Bitch and the Shit Show”, and Ann Rule should have written it.

    Missy isn’t just a sociopathic con artist, she’s lazy. If the cheerleading scam was so important, why not learn the routines?

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    Bionic Television
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    P.S. Wasn’t it Alicia Silverstone who snubbed Hasselbeck on The View?

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    Prodigal Cheez
    Posted September 25, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    I’m confused I think, isn’t a civil union a legal recognition of a marriage? I was married by a judge and didn’t have a religious ceremony. My understanding of a civil union is that it would be the same thing as my marriage, which was essentially a ratified contract.

    I couldn’t have married in a church because my husband is Jewish, and we wouldn’t have complied with the necessary steps to be married in the church or by a priest anyway.

    I thought all states were the same – in NY you obtain a license to marry, then I believe you have to complete the marriage by judge or ordained church representative within a certain time-frame and then you receive a marriage certificate. If a judge officiates a civil union isn’t that considered a marriage, just like mine?

    I’m embarrassed to say, I am lacking some insight into this. Any good recommendations for sources to learn more?

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    chemgal
    Posted September 26, 2010 at 6:28 am

    Prodigal, here in maine, anyone can enter a civil union. Gay or straight. It allows them all the rights that a state recognized “marriage” would, but it is really a legal contract only and doesn’t extend to federal taxes as it is a state recognized contract. Straights however, have the right to be married. All the same rights, but a ceremony is included (either in the church or by a justice of the peace) and they are considered married on a federal level. The issue here in Maine for a lot of people is what has happened in nj. In NJ, you will be hard pressed to find a religious person (priest, rabbi, minister) who will marry you outside of their church. And most justice of the peaces have stopped performing ceremonies because the law does not allow them to turn anyone away. I know from talking to people a lot about this (I was involved in the campaign her in Maine to prevent the recall of our gay marriage law) that at the core of a lot of people’s issue is that they feel the gay community is being used by secularists who are waging a battle against organized religion. They don’t care if gays can be married or even adopt children. They don’t believe a church/temple or anyone should be forced to perform religious ceremonies that are directly against the churches/temples teachings and beliefs. Portland Maine is ranked number 3 in the nation for population of gay/lesbian. What is interesting is in talking with gay men and women my age and older, they are of a similar opinion. They feel they are being used and they feel the movement will set them back years. Just as I’ve shared before regarding my husband who started life homophobic, but now having worked and socialized with a number of gay men and women, his heart was changed – in a matter of 10 years he has done a 180 on this issue. The men and women I have talked with share that they see bigger changes in people once they become friends and realize that gays aren’t “weird” or “creepy”.

    And in my experience, people like Jason who immediately jump in by making blanket sarcastic statements about people’s strongly held religious beliefs don’t help anyone or anything. All you do is insult people who if instead you approached in a fashion that indicated you haven’t already passed judgment, may be open to discussing the issue. Once the first insult is tossed, their ears and hearts will be closed to anything further you have to offer.

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    Sharon
    Posted September 26, 2010 at 7:06 am

    No one could have done that writeup better!

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    ohralphie
    Posted September 26, 2010 at 7:34 am

    @chemgal – it is my understanding that should gay marriage be made legal everywhere, no religious institution would ever be forced to marry gay couples if that is against their beliefs. Which makes the hostitility towards gay marriage from various churches even more confounding.
    Yes, justice of the peaces would have to marry gays – just like that they were forced to marry interracial couples a generation ago. Big fucking deal. They are liscenced by the state, they are performing a state function they need to man up and deal. Those that left the profession will be replaced eventually.

    Bottom line – if you don’t like gay marriage then don’t marry a gay.

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    sheesh
    Posted September 26, 2010 at 7:51 am

    BBitz…one of the best recaps I have read!

    Gay marriage. To deny gays to be married is illogical in my eyes. I can’t even fit the thought into my head, but then again I see gays as people instead of deviants or tools for an agenda.

    Mic looked foolish at the Redskins cheerleading reunion. I can hardly beieve that she has some personality disorder so severe that she did not feel some kind of embarrassment. I am amazed everytime I watch some of these housewives.

    I do like Lynda…I just do.

    Cat does seem to be showing the effects of a marriage faling apart. I feel so bad for her.

    My take on Erika (did I spell her name right?) is that ever since Stacie’s party and TyraGate she has been dying to have a go at Cat…she started shit at the dinner they had outside when Paul consoled Cat. Methinks Stacie hasn’t let go of Cat’s behavior at her house and at her Aunt’s house and kvetches to Erika about it a lot. I think she is the “good girl” to Erika’s “bitch”.

    Mary…I like her clothes? I just saw her on the WWH and I loved the darker hair.

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    Prodigal Cheez
    Posted September 26, 2010 at 8:02 am

    “Methinks Stacie hasn’t let go of Cat’s behavior at her house and at her Aunt’s house and kvetches to Erika about it a lot. I think she is the “good girl” to Erika’s “bitch”.”

    @sheesh – I think you’re right! I thought Stacie was totally off on how she handled the whole thing – but couldn’t put my finger on it. Good girl/bad girl makes total sense and would explain why Erika seemed as caught off guard as everyone else when she didn’t rally support, and the other women were so upset.

    I also thought it was strange that she was holding Mary’s hand. Stacie was the first one to jump on Mary about letting Lolly move back in – Cat was mostly joking around about it, but Erika went after Cat even though she wasn’t doing anything different than the rest of them.

    I just felt bad for Cat standing in the hall and crying, I can’t imagine actually being there and going after her again for round two. How do you not feel sympathy or empathy for someone who was so clearly wounded?

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    Alison Z
    Posted September 26, 2010 at 10:17 am

    When we got married 6 years ago, u went online to find a judge that would marry us. We went down to the courthouse and applied for our license. Sixty dollars and a week later we were standing in her chambers over looking the Seattle waterfront, about 10 minutes later we signed our certificate and were on our merry little ways. Six months later we were standing infront of 100 close family and friends being married again by a minister because some of our more religious family members wanted a ceremony. My very catholic grandmother wanted us married in her church with her priest, and to go through the counseling that she did, and that my mom did. I laughed and said no thanks, we are already married.

    I believe that you should be able to marry whomever you choose! That is your right. If a big burly purple polkadotted chick is who you want to marry and she makes you happy, then I am happy cause you are happy and I will stand up there and be your witness! I don’t care if it is just you, your wife, and a judge, or if it is 100 of you closest family and friends. Who am I to sit back and judge someone for how they feel and how they live? If my child elopes, I have no right to judge them, it’s what I did! Wouk I be hurt ofcourse because then I will know exactly how my parents felt! My dad was crushed because he couldn’t “give me away”.

    I really hope that Ted and Jason are able to adopt a child. They would make great parents! I can see Ted being the hard core parent what he says goes. Jason would be the more laid back. “when your dad gets home you are so grounded again, but for right now, it’s all good!!” that is how my mom was!

    I understand where the Turners are coming from. I think that Jason is alittle more hard core on his stance. I think Stacey is more open to things. Stacey did say in her bravo blog that Jasons sister is gay, and that they would stand by her and support any decision that she makes.

    I also liked how Cat said that she was not sure what the meeting was about and how she was willing to learn more about it. Not exactly what she said verbatim but that is what I got from what she said. I also loved the look on Erika’s face when Cat did not say hello to her! I mean come on lady, you were a bitch to her, she is so over you, and you get all butt hurt cause she ignored you!? Can I slap you??

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    Bridget Miller
    Posted September 26, 2010 at 10:53 am

    You could tell that the dance instructor didn’t want to be associated with Mic because she had her face blurred out. Actually most of the girls around her when they were practicing the dance had their faces blurred. I really don’t understand her need to lie about being a cheerleader. That is what is so disturbing about this whole thing- is why lie about that? And then to carry out the entire lie in front of the cameras. It really shows that she is not bothered at all by lying. It is scary.

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    Bridget Miller
    Posted September 26, 2010 at 10:58 am

    @Pixielated: I think that you said it the best. Marriage needs to be extended to everyone especially in regards to the entire child custody issue. Also I can’t believe that same sex partners are still not allowed to adopt children. That is a fucking shame.

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    skatt
    Posted September 26, 2010 at 11:22 am

    What I’m wondering is: did Mrs. Salami lie to Mr. Salami about the cheerleading as well? Probably not. This sounds like the type of ingenious scheme only the two of their heads could come up with.
    Did anyone else notice Mic had about 10+ years on every woman at the Cheerleader Reunion?

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    Sue Sylvester
    Posted September 26, 2010 at 11:59 am

    People please, please …
    It’s justiceS of the peace. Not peaces. There are no peaces.
    I know it may seem silly, but we all have our hangups.

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    Alison Z
    Posted September 26, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    @skatt- I did notice that. She said that she “cheered” for the redskins in the 80′s. How old is this crazy bitch really? Does anyone know? Have you read he blog on bravo? She says that she has been supporting MS for years. Idk, maybe she has, that is hard to say. I have a friend recently diagnosed with MS and we are going to donate now every year to both her personally and to the MS Society itself. As for “cheering” she says that the organizer put her as “cheering” in the 90′s so she wouldn’t appear as old as she really is. WTF lady!? I may have to do some research on this and get back to everyone….I can’t believe that there are just a few episodes left! How come we only get 9? There better be some lost footage!!

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    Bahu Rupiya
    Posted September 26, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    @chemgal You’ve articulated a very cogent summary of the pro-secular state side of the argument – that while the state might have a role in terms of laws regarding property, even possibly equal protection under the law (a concept which in itself is the source of a lot of conflict and lively debate!), religious ceremonies, like bat mitzvahs, confirmations, shahadas, or anything related to nikkahs, marriage rituals, and what-not should be the province of the various faith traditions sporting them as doctrines.

    The US is hardly the only swimmer in the pond of a certain degree of cultural schizophrenia on this point, but I think because of the huge outpouring of US media, and thus the huge audience, the perception of it as a US phenomenon is more marked, and remarked on.

    As many a student of eighteenth century events in the West will have puzzled over, there were groups of individuals who traveled to the US with the intention of remaining permanently, who were, say the textbooks, fleeing “religious persecution” in what is now known as the UK.

    And what did they do as soon as they got off the boat? Yet subsequent events, laws passed among multiple communities, were somewhat at variance with the notion of a separation between church and state.

    Probably one of the most accessible and best-known events that illustrate this might be the “Salem Witch Trials.”

    So there is a longstanding cultural foundation to the idea that the US is and should be a religious state, with the religion being doctrinally compatible with many belief tenets popular with many Protestant Christian sects.

    There are obvious advantages to this, in terms of implementation of certain business decisions, as well as the continued growth of US “key industries,” a quality it shares with another key player: “anti-Otherism!”

    This, the ologists tell us, may have once had a useful purpose, but as our species has transitioned away from “prehistoric times,” anti-Otherism, like Greed, has metastasized from a once species survival and preservation-friendly instinct into a cultural core value that is, as a cursory glance at any news page and the laziest lick at extrapolation demonstrate, is, in the context of the realities of Modern Today, comprehensively and unequivocally species-hostile!

    Sadly, much like the lives of the pitiful little families on Teen Mom, it’s not a movie that lends itself to a happy ending, and is in fact, probably one of the more depressing subjects available for contemplation.

    Like the implementation of those business decisions, “long-term” is a 404, a checkbox whose eternal resting place consists of the words “not applicable.”

    Cheesy as it may sound, or even be, the healthiest reaction to this unhealthy situation may be to heed the words of the blogger whose name escapes me, who pointed out that each one of us has the capacity to decide not to hate (participate in anti-Otherism), to forswear violence (even that which furthers the best interest of “key industries”), and to pass these concepts along as core values to those young people whose lives we touch, this capacity is limited to our own behavior, our own choices, our own values, which by definition means that it cannot be extended to the behavior, etc of others, recalling the old prayer about things that one can and cannot change and the wisdom to know the difference.

    We can, the blogger asserts, each make that choice for ourselves, and that will increase our capacity to do the one other thing we are innately empowered to do: enjoy at least something about every day.

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    Prodigal Cheez
    Posted September 26, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    I’ve been wondering the same thing @skatt. I think she’s probably been telling that lie for years, and Tareq may possibly have not known it was BS – he probably did down the line, but I think she was looking for rich men while she was on the party circuit and put a lot of false information out there about herself. I keep going back to her former high school classmate’s comment about how she listed a bunch of clubs and teams she was “on” in her yearbook, but it was all lies. She was a laughing stock because no one could believe she thought they wouldn’t notice.

    I think she’s always reinvented herself, and when she started dealing with wealthy DC women at Nordstrom, she styled herself as former “model” and cheerleader and started looking for a wealthy husband. She probably ended up with Tareq because most wealthy men who are looking for a wife are looking for a woman who is educated, accomplished and able to move in the circles he does so she can enhance his social and professional status. Missy is strictly mistress material, and that’s why she capped out in the second tier in the men department. All accounts of their courtship recount her as being very reluctant and on the fence about him, she married him because 40 was looming and she needed the sure thing. Tareq is on borrowed time, he’s Mr. Right Now…

    I really believe that Missy is the sicker of the two. I re-watched her cheerleading fiasco, and the only time she showed any anxiety was when the coach pulled her out of the line – and she froze for a split second. If you watch how things play out between she and Tareq, she’s never out of control and always guiding the conversation. As fucked in the head as he is, he’s head over heels for her – but she’s like a shark with blood in the water, always looking for her next meal.

    And she did look a lot older than the other women. She spent years working with high-end cosmetic lines, it’s weird that her skin is so furrowed and rough – she looks like a long-time substance abuser, maybe prescription meds…

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    chemgal
    Posted September 26, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    @Sue, please refer to my diatribe on making corrections on the housewives thread.

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    Prodigal Cheez
    Posted September 26, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    If Missy really did have to leave the White House dinner due to MS complications, and as she says it’s totally unpredictable, WHY would she sign up for a day of cheerleading, or for that matter even think about riding a horse around all day?

    I want the scoop on this MS bullshit! @marijai!! We need your superlative celebrity dirt-digging skills to unearth the dirty truth behind Missy’s MS claims!!

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    RealityCheck
    Posted September 26, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    I will admit when the gay marriage issue came up I at first did not agree. I also said marriage is between a man and a woman (trust me – I am not homophobic). But it was how I was raised and at first did not look inside of myself to see how I felt about it, I was just continuing my passed on beliefs.

    Then as the issue started to gain more attention I asked myself why? why not? Being that my BIGGEST pet peeve is fairness, I looked inside of myself and realized that I wasn’t being fair. So now I have no problem with gay marriage. Whatever floats your boat (BTW – silly question…can’t a captain of a ship marry two people??? They did it on the Love Boat all the time) No really if anyone has that answer I would like to know…I am not in the mood to google! But I think the flip side will have to apply as well. If you decide to part ways then you have to get a legal divorce too!

    I really think it’s fear…fear of the unknown, fear of religion and truthfully fear of hell. As Stacie and Jason said when speaking about the Bible and quoting that marriage is between a man and a woman. Well, it also says you should not lie, steal, covet, commit adultry etc. but people do it all the time…your also not suppose to judge people. And that I am guilty of that almost daily!!! But in all fairness everyone is free to judge me too. It doesn’t bother me becuase it’s just someone else’s opinion – it does not make it true. Ahhhh…two cents well spent!!!

    And finally…JUSTICE OF THE PEACES! This isn’t fucking english class. Child please!!!

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    Stewinberri
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 3:05 am

    @RealityCheck: Don’t you mean Chile Please? lol. At least that’s how my favorite (emmy winning) on air sports analyst says it. He also happens to be an English major and a former sports journalist for the Washington Post. Couldn’t resist. Too funny. Oh, he will sometimes add “and go to your room”. For some reason, this always makes me laugh when he says it.

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    Baxter
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 6:42 am

    bBitz great recap!! Funny and thoughtful that is hard to swing.

    This show pulled me back in. There was a marathon on this weekend and now I’m into it again.

    I 100% support anyone to marry anyone. I don’t agree with Stacie’s opinion but I give her credit for not pretending she agrees with it when she doesn’t. She knew she would get backlash for thinking the way she does. I think she wants to think differently but her religion is holding her back. There are many people out there that feel the way she does so I’m glad she was open and hopefully it will lead to mature/calm dialogue about the subject and people out there will change their mind.
    Not to get off topic but I was a Marine and my husband is in the Army. We both are strongly against Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. I think this issue is as important as gay marriage. I have too many friends that have to hide who they are while they VOLUNTEER to serve our country. Literally makes me sick.

    As far as anything else this episode like the freaking salami’s, they are a waste of space on this show.

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    thiajok
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 7:22 am

    A lot of people used to quote the bible to underscore the fact that black people shouldn’t be given civil rights. Just sayin’.

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    Sue Sylvester
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 7:28 am

    Gosh, such intolerance and hatred for the grammatically correct! Linguiphobes!! Alas, I stand alone, a minority rejected and persecuted.
    But hey, I’m no emmy winning English major …

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    Classy Drunk
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 7:41 am

    I try not to judge those that do not have the same beliefs as I do because if we all thought the same things would really be bland. Stacie is entitled to what she believes in. There are people that still do not believe in interracial marriage. Some of the progression takes time. Most of the country is center right, and that’s why the bill continue to get voted down in even the most liberal states. It took years and years to get civil liberties based on race. It will be a long journey that will be worth it in the end.

    I do not want to say the issue doesn’t matter to me, but with more important things on the horizon I’d rather states and the federal government focus on those issues.

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    thiajok
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 7:46 am

    I’m also for letting people have their own religious beliefs, as long as those beliefs don’t legislate others’ lifestyles. Herein lies the problem–this issue isn’t a religious one, but a civil rights issue. Simple as.

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    hollagirl2
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 9:10 am

    @SUE-LOL. You learn quick the grammar police ain’t appreshated here! I also majered in English and is a writing tuter but I did learned it’s bestest to keep my mouth close and ignore the error and enjoy the snarks!

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    LAC
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Great recap!! God, this show veers from being awful to surprisingly bearable and back again in an hour.

    I am disappointed in Stacie and Jason, but not entirely surprised to hear their opinions on gay marriage. It is not unusual, but not a universally held viewpoint among african americans – as one with a fair number of friends in the DC area, I can say that. Hell, I know gay couples who have been together longer than some married couples. I say bravo to anyone who wants to be married these days…

    I am with BBitz, still loving the Lynda. Some of it might be a process of elimination – Mary, I can’t get close to – partly, because I fear a match being lit and an explosion occuring. Cat – while I would have high-fived her for smacking that fameHo Erica, she just irritates me. And Bony McGrifter can just 2,4,6,8 her ass off my set. I am tired of her and her “I invented the post-it” lies.

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    Baxter
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 9:32 am

    LAC- Love the Romy and Michelle reference!! So true too!!

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    Bahu Rupiya
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 9:37 am

    @thiajok Yes, the conversations are essentially verbatim. For us old folks, it’s downright eerie. Sometimes we have to take extra nerve medicine.

    In your next post, you make another point that’s frequently cited in arguments for a secular as opposed to a religious state.

    Another, which I’ll mention since it seems to be the only one no one has, is a little bit more society- specific – that a secular state is a better choice for a diverse population.

    In its non-society specific form, the corresponding argument for a religious state is usually heard more in societies with a very homogeneous population, where almost everyone shares the same faith tradition.

    Where things get interesting is that though the US has been undergoing some seismic demographic shifts in recent years, and thus has a much more diverse population than it did even ten years ago, and in another ten years will have an even more diverse population than it does today, there is a sizeable chunk of the traditional mainstream demographic who are extremely displeased by that, and have a strong preference for a religious state based not only on the doctrines of their faith traditions, but a belief that the US population should NOT be a heterogeneous one.

    @Classy Drunk You remind us that Paul’s extrapolation (where he expresses the view that equal protection under the law would reduce the incidence of things being thrown at him) though admirable and idealistic, is nevertheless incorrect. Cultural change is the slowest kind.

    Racial apartheid continued to exist virtually unchanged for years following the passage of the Civil Rights Act, and in much of the society, continues to exist today, socially and culturally.

    It was the mention of this point that caused so much anti-Stacie sentiment among some viewer segments, in the first couple of episodes of the show. (I don’t think that happened so much here, I mean in general)

    There have been some huge cosmetic changes, and, for example, the legislation has resulted, half a century later, in many racially integrated workplaces.

    But in most communities, particularly in the South, once the workday ends, people tend to spend leisure time and form friendships with members of their own ethnic group.

    The good news is that as we move down the generations, the younger ones are more likely to make friends with people from other groups, and as the older folks die out, there is a definite potential for the society to become integrated as opposed to segregated on a social and cultural level.

    Or Paul Haggis’ vision of “Balkanization” (Crash) could be the one that solidifies, which brings us back to the best interests of those key industries, interests they can be counted on to protect and advance.

    As another blogger whose name I forget once pointed out, “Peace is the opposite of money.”

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    tvaholic
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Another great recap BBitz!!

    @LAC-Yes! Mic is totally an evil version of Romy (or is it Michelle?)& the Post-It’s fantasy!

    WHile I am disappointed in my fave couple the Turners as well, I have to give them props for at least willing to openly discuss their reasoning-and not in a totally disfunctional, hostile manner we are so accustomed to with the RH franchises. I came away from it thinking they are conflicted & may change their minds. In Stacie’s Bravo blog she said that Jason has a sister who is gay. I have a good friend who came out about 8 years ago-a surprise to us all, and she has a very religious SIL that she is very close to. The SIL had quit one church because it condoned gay marriage. I also know this person & she is a very kind, sweet person. She never turned her back on my friend & her girlfriend & it caused her own internal conflict-how can she turn away family just because her church says it isn’t right?

    I guess what I’m trying to say is that I know my own Stacie; and my friend, rather than get in her SIL’s face about her beliefs, instead just had a very open dialogue with her without condemning her. Today, my friend’s GF is considered part of their family, and they all remain close. Of course, there hasn’t been talk of marriage, so who knows what happen if that came up!

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    LAC
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 10:45 am

    See what happens when you are sick one day and flip the switch on encore? I did like that movie, a guilty pleasure.

    tvaholic, so loved your last post. You stated my feelings about the Turners better than I did. I hope that a change of heart is there – they do have them, unlike some of the beezlebubs in training on these shows.

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    Bridget Miller
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    @Prodigal Cheez: I seriously doubt that Mic has MS. But I do know that the symptoms of MS can vary in their intensity. My good friend has MS and she is completely healthy most of the time. One of the main symptoms and the one that occurs at the beginning of MS is the loss of sight in the middle of a person’s vision, normally, comes back. And she has lost her site a couple of times. Also she will lose feeling in her entire left arm and then those symptoms will disappear. She leads a very active life. Now other people that have MS have a much more severe condition. My friend’s mom had MS and was confined to a wheelchair by the time that she was 35. Basically, what MS does is it strips the myelin sheath off nerve cells- well it doesn’t strip it, but the person with MS does not make myelin in a normal way. Think of myelin as the plastic around an electrical cord- if there are bears in it then the electrical signal does not travel as quickly or at all from the plug through the cord. So Mic could have MS and not have as severe as a case as another person, but I think that she is lying about it, just like she lied about everything else.

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    mick
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    BBitz, you are teh ossim! Haven’t made it through all the comments yet so I’ll just throw this out there and hope no one has said it already – has anyone noticed how much Mary looks like the girl who played Jan Brady in that Brady Bunch movie? But much drunker?

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    Stewinberri
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    @Sue&@Hollagirl2: I think my post may have been misinterpreted. I find the “deliberateness” of the mispronounciation and the context in which the term “Chile Please!!! is used hilarious. And the fact that the user of the phrase happens to be a 62yr old, fairly conservative, well educated, New York born and bred, Jewish male makes it even funnier. I can only speak for myself. I don’t hate people who use correct grammar, in fact it is an admirable quality. I just find a little insufferable those who feel a need to correct the grammar of others, either in person or on a website. Just as you have been taught the correct use of grammer, I was taught correcting others, is impolite.

    Also, as stated before, I absolutely love the well thought out intelligent commentary and snark, that is especially evidenced on the DC housewives board. Grammatical imperfections and mispellings don’t take away from that.

    Sorry for the tangent.

    Again, peace to all.

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    hollagirl2
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    @stewinberri… hey girl heeey. No need to explain… I honestly don’t care either way about grammar perfections or imperfections. I just thought Sue’s response was funny. xo

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    Sue Sylvester
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Thanks hollagirl2! I thought your response was pretty funny too. What can I say, it’s a compulsion. I’m not trying to insult anyone, but as I said initially, we all have our hang ups. Grammar is mine. Once I hear something truly egregious, my brain completely retreats from the argument at hand. It’s my squirrel. That said, especially in political statements, grammar and language can affect credibility. When I hear someone from my side of the fence slaughter the language when making a point I would otherwise agree with, I cringe. When I hear someone in opposition doing the same, I gloat in silent victory (if it makes you feel better, I seldom correct those people).

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    Robinez
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    “Gosh, such intolerance and hatred for the grammatically correct! Linguiphobes!!”

    It isn’t intolerance or hatred for the grammatically correct as much as it is tolerance for those who aren’t.

    TC,Robin

    PS.Things get a little wacky here sometimes but I don’t think I have seen any hatred because someone spelled something correctly.

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    giffordsaz
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    I am totally against mispulralization and childs molesting

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    Prodigal Cheez
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    I’m against anything that annoys me, like if someone corrects my grammar. I’m liable to shed my sweet, demure and normally passive demeanor and go all apeshit. Not that I would EVER do that here.

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    thiajok
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    @Sue Sylvester: Hmmm, so reading comments posted on forums must really annoy the hell out of you.

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    Prodigal Cheez
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    So I just read that Missy’s MS claims have been made before in marketing collateral material for their scam charity “Journey For The Cure”, which was a few years ago. If this is true, how did she not then inform her friends and family until last week?

    And what’s up with JOURNEY scams?? She also claims she banged Neil Schon from Journey, and they’re doing a duet together… I can’t think of anything that could possibly suck more, unless she did a duet with Victor Langen from Kick Axe.

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    Prodigal Cheez
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    Okay – I also just read that Missy claimed to have been a Victoria’s Secret model, which VS publicly denied.

    What’s with all the “deep, dark secrets” she keeps? She didn’t lie about being a Redskinette, just the YEAR because she didn’t want anyone to know her real age? She kept the MS a secret from everyone, including her family, because she didn’t want to lose her “job”? But she lived with her parents in their condo, who apparently never noticed any MS symptoms AT ALL; then she worked for TAREQ for the last 7-10 years. So she thought TAREQ was going to fire her? Or BRAVO? Who filmed her for 9 episodes?

    How do they continue to get away with all these lies, and NEVER EVER answer for them? I don’t understand how these people keep functioning in DC year after year, fiasco after fiasco.

    I don’t believe she has MS, she is a pathological liar if nothing else and is totally unphased by getting caught – she just moves into the next lie. I can’t wait until she dumps Tareq, and he starts spilling all of her dirt – I’ll bet he’s sitting on mountain of Missy’s misdeeds.

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    Baxter
    Posted September 28, 2010 at 5:33 am

    Prodigal Cheez- I’m with you.
    The Salami’s feel very Heidi/Spencerish. Heidi supposedly being the victim but in reality she is the mastermind.

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    Classy Drunk
    Posted September 28, 2010 at 8:25 am

    So I finally watched this episode. I guess it took me a while to get to it because I had more interesting things to watch like Ma’s Roadhouse.

    I wish I could remember all the points I wanted to address I am so much snarkier at when I am texting (why is texting still showing as misspelled, get with the times Webster) my friends about the show during the show.

    Mic looked like a goof. I mentioned this in the forums, but there are specific routines a team does year in and year out especially in a storied franchise like the Redskins (ick). So for Mic not to know it at all would have been an immediate indicator that she was never a cheerleader there.

    I like Lynda. I appreciate her attempting to diffuse the situation between Cat and Erica.

    I do not like Erica at all and I never have. I hate back handed comments. If Erica has a problem with Cat she should have pulled her to the side or called and discussed the problem. Do not wait until the children are around and you’ve had a couple glasses if wine to approach the subject. Then to continue in front of her children was disgusting. And I cannot believe all this comes from Erica being upset the Cat doesn’t like Tyra Banks. I hate her too. She sucks.

    Paul stating that he can’t be friends with people who do not support his cause is just silly. Just because you do not see eye to eye on and issue does not mean that two people can not continue a friendship. If I was Stacie and Jason when I heard that I would probably have to limit my interaction with Paul because if my friends can’t accept me for who I am then who can.

    I probably had some other things to say but I am too hungry to put things into words right now.

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    Kristen Smith
    Posted September 28, 2010 at 9:58 am

    While I’m convinced that Mic isn’t suffering with MS, my heart can’t help but wonder if she’s actually plagued from an equally devastating, and extremely rare affliction, known as BS. Years ago I recall seeing a televised charity event, in hopes of raising money and public awareness for BS. If memory serves me correctly, it was a young, brave woman leading the fight, and speaking out, against BS. I believe her name was Surely Funke. Luckily, Surely’s twin sister, Maeby Funke, was never diagnosed with this horrific, terribly dreadful condition known as BS.

    Maybe (not Maeby), Surely and Mic can join forces and fight to put an end to BS.
    END BS!!! The time is now.

    While I find MS a very serious disease, my heart goes out to all affected. I cannot help but be disgusted at the possibility that one could lie about being diagnosed with MS. However, in this situation, I find humor at the similarities between Mic and Surely. Then again, Surely was intended to be a humorous teenage plotline in Arrested Development, and Mic Salami is just sad fortysomething.

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    tvaholic
    Posted September 28, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Kristen-LOL!! I love that show! I bet Oasis would’ve donated wine to that cause too,even if it was a show. Anything for the write-off!

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    Bridget Miller
    Posted September 28, 2010 at 11:38 am

    @skatt and I were commenting about the Salamis on the last recap and what makes them so interesting/reprehensible is to see just how deep their delusions and lies go. When will they stop? And how long can they ride around in the 90210 white limo of death. It just so happens that Mic cops to having MS at the same time that bullshit book is coming out about how they didn’t sneak into the White House party and the story was completely inflated by the media. I love how the book condemns the media for paying so much attention to that story and using it for ratings, but the book is doing the exact same thing and it is written by a tabloid writer to add more black to the pot. or is it to the kettle?

    But I wonder the same thing as pcheeze- how are they allowed to continue to get away with their grifter ways? Who would be stupid enough to lend them money? Or give them money? Or think that it would be a good idea to get into a business arrangement with them? Maybe Mic was right people can’t say no to her or maybe they feel sorry for them and think that if I help them this once then maybe they can get their lives on tract. I don’t understand it. I am glad that Stacie wasn’t fooled by them and kept pressing for any sort of financial statement.

    @skatt: I hear that Sparkles the horse is the brains of the whole operation. He probably told Mic to pretend to have MS, so that people would feel sorry for her and would buy that crappy book about her and Tareq. Also if she claims to have MS that is one more charity function they can hold and then keep all the money for themselves.

    It is hard to believe anyone that has repeatedly been shown to be a liar- both of them. So it is hard to believe that Mic has MS because she has lied about everything else. I mean they use pictures they took with celebrities at meet & greets to claim they they have personal relationships with them. Mic thought that she was a lobbyiest because she did it once in Richmond. The list goes on and on. Yeah. What job did she think that she was going to get fired from? But then she also said that she didn’t want to be labeled as being sick. She is sick. Just not from MS. Like @Kristen said, she could be suffering from BS, but I think that it is much worse than that. Something pathological. Why does she do that strange smile all the time? It reminds me of chompers.

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    classy drunk
    Posted September 28, 2010 at 11:42 am

    BS affects one and three people daily.

    Let’s join together to end this terrible disease. Unless the people afflicted are aging rock stars looking for love and the females who love them.

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    Bridget Miller
    Posted September 28, 2010 at 11:48 am

    @PCheeze: You really think that Tareq would rat her out if they got divorced? I bet she has some good dirt on him as well. They could end up blackmailing each other, but since neither one of them has any money that probably wouldn’t work out too well. I wonder why it is that they stay together? I think it is because they support each other’s bad behaviors and evil lifestyle. When will Bravo get tired of putting these horrendously awful people on these housewife shows? I was watching a little bit of the old Atlanta shows and fucking Kim and Nenee and Shree- ugh they are awful little bitches. At least throw in a couple women that have some semblance of depth/character/and/or morals. I think that Stacie is shocked about what she has gotten involved with and looks taken a back at some of the shit going down on the show.

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    skatt
    Posted September 28, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    BridgetM.: I think maybe one reason they get away with their bilking Charities is that the Charities are afraid to make too public a deal out of a financial “mess” of any kind because it looks so bad and can so severely damage their reputation. I think the Salamis have benefitted a great deal, personally and financially (kind of one in the same with these two) from having people just wanting them away from their organizations and out of their lives. In fact, I think they count on it.

    Which just makes you wonder again, WHAT made them think they could get away with it being televised for all the world to see? They must have grown so comfortable in getting away with their scams, they figured they’d go bigger.

    Oh, and according to Bsideblog.com: Yes, Sparkles does write the checks and handles other financials.

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    LAC
    Posted September 28, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Kristen, equally devastating is TBA – I saw the same show in a later season, and wow, I cried…as JOB would say, “hang in there, little guy…”

    God, I loved, loved that show…

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    sarcasatire
    Posted September 28, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Great recap, BBitz!! I can’t wait to see the show to catch it all in its sad glory.

    I’m disappointed that people are still against gay marriage. It’s not like heterosexual marriages are so perfect..the rate of divorce is almost 50%, so maybe some ‘straights’ shouldn’t be getting married, either. lol Well, the good news is that gay marriage is no legal in Washington DC. My ‘uncles’ had a civil ceremony 5 years ago and adopted twin daughters 2 years ago. But earlier this year, they actually made it official by getting married!! I was so excited for them. Because now, as life partners, they are protected the same way hetero-married couples are. In terms of the rights of the spuse when it comes to medical matters (who makes the decisions on your behalf if you are incapacitated), child-custody arrangements, and maybe being on family health and insurance plans as legitmate spouses. I think everyone deserves that right.

    I can’t wait to see Mic’s spastic cheering. The lady has no dignity…no self-awareness, and it’s entertaining as heck. So, keep up the good work, Mic!!

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    sarcasatire
    Posted September 28, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    Gay marriage is *now legal*, is how it should read.

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    Prodigal Cheez
    Posted September 29, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    @Bridget, I honestly do think he would rat her out because I think if she walks out on him, he’ll think he has nothing to lose. This is a guy that ran his own parents into the ground financially, then continued to sue them even as he depleted his own resources – so I think he looks to do maximum damage when he bottoms out. I think you’re right, they stay together because one feeds off of, and into the needs of the other – but I truly do believe that Missy is the more organized and morally corrupt of the two.

    I hate the RHOATL, I just detest Kim and can’t stand to watch her. I am seriously bothered by the fact that Bravo put some woman on a show about housewives, who is banging some other housewive’s husband. It legitimizes a relationship that is considered unacceptable in any normal social venue, and putting a mistress on the same social footing as married women is insulting to the other women. Plus she’s another liar.

    I totally agree with your assessment of Stacie as well – she and Jason both looked like they were ready to pull the plug on the “wine-stomping” episode on the way out to the vineyard, and again at that atrocious dinner. Stacie is so far beyond any of the other housewives on any of the franchises; Howard University, Harvard – she’s got a top-notch education, successful career, and a stable marriage, I wonder what her reasons for doing the show were?

    I’m really not entertained by the women who are doing these shows under what are essentially false pretenses. Lynn Curtin’s family’s implosion became disturbing as the kids’ suffering was more and more apparent; Tamra Barney’s financial shakiness translated into a terrible visual record that can only hurt her children; Missy Salahi used the credentials of the show to continue to perpetrate fraudulent activities, and people in this case really got hurt. I might comment on these women, but I would much prefer to not have them in the mix.

    In the case of the DC broads ( ), Lynda, Mary, Cat and Stacie are compelling and interesting enough to carry the show without Missy, in fact I find Missy and Tareq’s portions of each episode to be jarring and out of step with the pacing and personality of the rest of the show,

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    lilredheadgrl
    Posted September 30, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    LMAO Kristen!!!! But BS isn’t rare

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    Bahu Rupiya
    Posted September 30, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    @skatt I could be wrong, but my speculation is that their hope is that being on the show will result in other revenue-producing opportunities, as it has for some others.

    The Real Housewives franchise especially, may have one of the higher rates of cast members getting lucrative book deals, endorsements, etc – Bethenny even parlayed her RHNY fame into her own spin-off show, and there has been buzz for months now about the same thing being in the works for NJ Villainess Danielle.

    That’s not to say that they are right – the floor is littered with former reality stars who got the opportunities and turned out not to be up to whatever was required of them, or just plain messed it up.

    But because of the extreme level of exposure these two have had, and the intensity of emotion on the part of the public, it’s hard to argue with the notion that some producer somewhere is going to look at that high name & face recognition, and all that public outrage, and see dollar signs!

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    thiajok
    Posted September 30, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    A gold medal to Kristen Smith for the Maeby/Surely Funke reference.

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    Bridget Miller
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 10:27 am

    @skatt: “Which just makes you wonder again, WHAT made them think they could get away with it being televised for all the world to see? They must have grown so comfortable in getting away with their scams, they figured they’d go bigger.” Exactly. I think that PCheeze brought this up first, but what made Mic/Missy think that it was a good idea to play out her cheerleader lie on the show? Well more so, that is is was deeply disturbing is that she played out the entire lie in front of the cameras with no remorse or fear.

    Didn’t she realize that people were going to investigate her claims? Or maybe it doesn’t bother her to get caught in a lie? Or worse- she might not think that she is lying because she had been paying dues as if she was an actual alumni.

    It is also disturbing that both Tareq and her “assistant” Jen went along with the whole lie, they showed their support of her going to perform at the half time show. Are they trying to help her save face or do they believe her lies as well? It is all very sick and twisted. I think that the Salamis are more sick and twisted than Heidi & Spenser because at least Heidi & Spenser were honest about their behavior and acknowledged that they were acting like assholes, in order to continue their reality stardom.

    @PCheeze: I totally agree with your take on all the housewives. Do you think that you would want to recap one of these housewife shows? I just think you have a clever and witty way of explaining the personalities of the cast members. I could see you and a couple other people joining forces and writing a recap one of these day. Who knows? It might be more fun just to read them and get to comment on them:) I always think that I could recap because BBitz makes it look like it so much fun, but that is when you know it has to be hard because it only looks fun when a lot of work has gone into it.

    But you totally pegged why Kim. bothers me so much.

    Well she bothers me for so many reasons, but the fact that she gets to be on the show because she is dating a rich married man is number one on the list. These shows already legitimize a consumption driven lifestyle and rarely do we see how these women make their money. The show says a independent woman is one that can indulge themselves anytime they want; with expensive clothes, trips, and luxurious services and it doesn’t really matter how they make their money. Be it by being a gold digger, making it for themselves, or marrying well.

    And with Kim on the show, they are saying that an independent woman can date and be with whoever she wants, even if it is a married man. I think that it sets us, as women, back. I wouldn’t want them to feature a man who was sleeping with a married man either.

    I am just getting tired of the trash that is featured on the various housewife shows. They are holding up thieves, liars, untreated mental illness, bullies, etc as exemplars of the American Dream, of the good life.

    I really don’t like that Kim is on the show because she is constantly shown using Big Poppa’s money and not too worried about making her own or standing on her own two feet. What kind of message does that send out? How about another character like Lisa or Kandie- who work hard to make their own money and work hard to be independent, and still try to remain down to earth.

    I am starting to wonder if Stacie will come back for Season 2, if there is a Season 2 because I think that she is going to realize that the show could seriously hurt her reputation. Also when you watch the show- you can see that they are trying to keep their children from being filmed. Like they are protecting the kids from the cameras which is a smart idea.

    @Bahu Rupiya: I totally agree. I think that Salamis are trying to turn their involvement in the show into something bigger, into some sort of financial gain. And maybe to lend some credibility to their name, but if anything that is probably going to back fire. Because all their lies are being exposed. There will always be people that are fooled by celebrity, so that show might help them a little. But it will probably only take them so far.

    Sorry end of rant.

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    Bionic Television
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 10:49 am

    HILARIOUS: http://www.tmz.com/2010/10/01/tareq-michaele-salahi-white-house-party-crashers-real-housewives-of-dc-threat-defamation-lawsuit/

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    Prodigal Cheez
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 10:53 am

    It’s funny Bridget, but your added perspective pretty much fills out mine in regards to why I am so irritated and uncomfortable with some of the casting decisions Bravo makes. I so agree with your assessment of Kim, and the overall legitimization of mass consumption that gets embraced on these shows. I might see it differently if she was using those resources to build a future for herself or her children, I wouldn’t respect the means by which she obtained it but I could understand why she might rationalize it doing it.

    “I am just getting tired of the trash that is featured on the various housewife shows. They are holding up thieves, liars, untreated mental illness, bullies, etc as exemplars of the American Dream, of the good life.” @Bridget Miller.

    SO right on the money. I expect a certain type of personality to seek out the kind of attention these shows bring, or a woman looking to create or expand a business opportunity. But come ON Bravo!! Kelly Bensimmon? Jill Zarin? Lynne Curtin? These women imploded in serious and damaging ways, their reputations were damaged, their families were hurt and none of them have the psychological tools to know when to call it a day. I just heard Jill Z is coming back, I’m sure she thinks she’ll be able to do damage control on last season – I think her need for fame and attention is blinding her to what makes people tune in. Her implosion was epic, and people aren’t ready to let her off the hook yet.

    I’m glad Stacie and JAson are shielding their kids from the show – as much as I dislike Ashley, Ryan, and Jeanna’s sons – they are young and immature, and their mistakes should not be plastered all over a national landscape that will color their futures for many years to come.

    Bridget, as much as I LOVE babbling on and on about these shows I could never recap one! My perspective is really narrow in some respects, and I know I annoy a lot of people with the length and theme of a lot of my comments. I can appreciate a good laugh and dish snark with the best of them, but my best stuff comes from bouncing off of other people – I’m an ensemble performer! LOL. Thank you very much for the compliment, it actually really means a lot to me coming from someone who I know does not always agree with me.

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    chemgal
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Having gone through a lawsuit I am going to guess that bravo will settle out of court with them. They, Bravo, most likely have insurance to pay for lawsuits, so they wouldn’t actually be out any money. They and the insurance company probably hire lawyers that are big money per hour and in the end, it would be cheaper to pay a settlement, which they can write off, than to keep battling it out. Plus, with a settlement, the salamis will have to sign a release and then Bravo would have closure with this pair. Makes you wonder if they are scheming enough that this has been their endgame the entire time?

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    Bionic Television
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 11:13 am

    @chemgal, I just think the Salami’s are just the types of people who always have their ears perked for some kind of opportunity to sue.

    Last’s night episode was pretty epic, by the way. Excited for the recap!

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    Prodigal Cheez
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 11:18 am

    @chemgal – I think the Salami’s are always looking for the big legal lottery settlement, and people like them usually make money because like you said, it’s easier to pay them to go away then it is to fight them.

    They remind me of Michael Keaton in “Pacific Heights”. These people are just reprehensible on every level. I think Bravo needed the reality check, and I hope they will vet future cast members much more stringently as a result of this. It could only stand to reason given the number and length of time they have been suing almost anyone they interact with, that Bravo would have some liability issues here. Let’s hope that as function of the type of legal disclosure that usually accompanies a lawsuit of this nature, that Missy’s MS claims will be either proven or debunked once and for all.

    People are so afraid to call her a liar in case it’s true, that she could really do some damage to legitimate MS charities, and also make the process for true MS sufferers to obtain funding much more arduous.

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    Spoon
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    @Bionic TV: totally agree – I don’t think the Salamis have the mental wherewithal to plan out that far an advance but once the opportunity arose to sue they pounced, and I’m sure they’ve done it before.

    @Prodigal Cheez: I think the act of lying about a serious disease is just reprehensible in and of itself (and demeaning/insulting to those who actually have to go through it). Not sure I think Michaele could do any wide-scale legit damage to MS charities or awareness movement though, I wouldn’t give her that much credit.

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    Bridget Miller
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    @Prodigal Cheez: I always thought that we agreed more than we disagreed. Or at least when I am reading your comments. I am always shaking my head in agreement and saying yes, exactly, but since you aren’t here sitting next to me you wouldn’t know that. Or would you? I am glad that you took my comment about writing a recap as a compliment. Because I wasn’t sure how it would be taken.

    Because I know you aren’t writing your comments as an audition or warm up to writing a recap and I didn’t want you to think that I was suggesting that. You seem like the type of person that if you wanted to write a recap then you would just go ahead and try it, but I just like your writing style because you figured out how to write in a humorous tone which is hard. Let me kiss ass some more:), but I could see you and Chemgal or Robinez getting together and writing a recap. Also a little controversy and edge is okay- the best recaps are the ones that not only recap the show, but also have the opinion, comments, and perception of the recapper woven into the whole thing.

    There are some other people that would be good recappers- like Not Without My TV, Tvaholic, Bionic Television, LAC- and Skatt come to mind. JUST TO NAME A FEW. Sorry that was a very exclusive post. But you know J-MO started out as one of us and then just got inspired to start writing recaps. I am sure that is just one example.

    Anyway. I was just thinking about a few of people that stuck out in my mind and what do I know? Nothing. I bet Flipit would be excited for any of us to attempt to write a recap. I am just a poor student who spends too much time analyzing reality television programs for my sociology class. Last semester it was for english and now it is for sociology. I love upper level math and biology because I don’t have to watch television for those shows, but I love my other filler classes because I get to watch reality television. Reading all the comments have actually helped me in my work quite a bit, thank you. Alright I need to get out more. Sorry derailing the comment train.

    I HATE THE SALAMIS even on a hard roll with age cheddar cheese with a side of potato salad, a barrel pickle, and a dr. browns cream soda . I LOATHE THE JEW-DICE!

    TVgasm is still the best place for recaps, but I would also encourage everyone to check out the column the Reliable Source in the Washington Post. The column is filled with lots of good gossip and dirt on these ladies. Also the writers like to point out how Bravo messes with the timeline of the show and it is kind of interesting. Robinez posted a link a few recaps ago, but here it is again:
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/reliable-source/real_housewives_of_dc/housewives_recaps/

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    chemgal
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    @Bridget you had me at hard roll.

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    Prodigal Cheez
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Thanks Bridget I feel much the same toward you! I’ll pop back in later – but I am STILL at work and dying for some dinner! Catch you guys later! I still haven’t seen the new epi – I can’t find ANYWHERE, even iTunes and I forgot to DVR it!!! ARGGHHH!!!

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    Missy2sweet
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    I really enjoyed the recap. As far as the Turners I think its hard for people to separate their religous beliefs from personal opinions. That being said I don’t think its fair to insult a persons intelligence because their faith causes them to have a different set of beliefs. I know educated people who believe in creationism, the big bang theory and no God at all but that in no way reflects on their education. Also, think its unfair to label people as hypocrites because they don’t follow every edict of the Bible. Being a sinner does not equate to being a hypocrite. Every religion I can think of acknowledges that people are going to make mistakes, they just offer opportunities for redemption. I think Paul saying they may not be friends because of Stacie’s belief is wrong. I respect her for stating her opinion and think chemgal post 16 put it all perfectly. The thing about friendships is that you don’t have to agree with everything. And just because we have different belief systems I don’t discount their friendship. They are good people who are good to me and at the end of they day that’s all that matters. I do think that it is wrong to discriminate on marriage and while it has some similarites to interracial they aren’t the same. The difference being that blacks were discriminated because they were seen as sub human three fifths only. They were getting killed for whistling at white women. Not being allowed to marry is different than not even being able to initiate a relationship. Seeing Cat have an emotional reaction was strangely endearing to me. I guess I thought nothing could ever break through her shell and for her to have that reaction to Erica was shocking. I think if she were having a better day it would have quickly been shut down. And the Salami’s shelf life has expired and need to be thrown out. Their delusion is astounding and has trumped that of the bankruptcy whore.

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    thiajok
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    If you follow that TMZ link that Bionic Television posted up-board, it leads to several other links about lawsuits the crazy gate-crashers are involved in. Miss Cohen is losing his mind.

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    Pixielated
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    I’m beginning to wonder what Miss Cohen is trying to say about America and housewives by casting these shallow, immoral trainwrecks as “real.” The people on Teen Mom are better, I swear! They are sad, while these people, with all the advantages at their disposal, are maddening and outrageous.

    Have the Salahis sued Bravo or Andy Cohen yet? I’m sure they will shortly, especially if the show is cancelled or they get dropped.

    @Missy2Sweet, I agree with what you’re saying about religion and the Turners. My attitude is that people have the right to believe whatever they want, as long as they don’t try to force their beliefs on others. (And as long as they aren’t breaking the law in other respects, such as victimizing minors, etc.) There are plenty of Catholics who don’t believe in abortion, but use birth control, and that is their decision to make. (In the Catholic faith, there are certain things that are dogma, that you must comply with and believe, but a lot of what is said by popes, etc., is not in that category. I used to be a Catholic.) There are plenty of smart, moral people who have beliefs different from mine, and I’m fine with them. I’d just as soon they stay out of making laws, however. I wish they’d stay out of lawmaking, though.

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    Pixielated
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Gee, I thought I’d deleted the second-to-last sentence in my post. Whoops.

    BTW I consider myself a secular humanist, though I have SOME Christian leanings. (I agree with Jesus and his teachings, basically.)

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    Prodigal Cheez
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    @Spoon “@Prodigal Cheez: I think the act of lying about a serious disease is just reprehensible in and of itself (and demeaning/insulting to those who actually have to go through it). Not sure I think Michaele could do any wide-scale legit damage to MS charities or awareness movement though, I wouldn’t give her that much credit.”

    I guess my thinking on this is akin to women who falsely claim rape, or people like the woman who threw acid into her own face and reported it as an attack. If people become afraid of getting scammed, they respond by making it harder to prove legitimacy without increasing the number of hoops they have jump through. True victims always suffer in some regard from people who hurt their “cause”.

    I don’t think it’s unrealistic at all to think that the Salami’s could have a disastrous impact on any kind of charity or issue they interacted on. The inner city DC polo team could speak to that. If I were a charitable contributor in the DC/VA area, after watching this show I would demand documentation from ANY charity I worked with including extensive financials and tax statements – that in and of itself hurts the bottom line of any non-profit because it costs money to produce those.

    I think Michaele and Tareq will be true to form and eventually try to found an MS-centric charity in the advent of Missy’s “revelation”. I was very surprised to see how much sympathy she’s generating, this site has a much more sophisticated population than most so we’re not seeing it here.

    The Salami’s are personally in serious financial straights, and neither has held a legitimate job in years – there is no question who the “charities” they form are benefiting. I can’t believe they haven’t been indicted based on this widely-known and PROVEN information yet, it’s disgusting and the DC and VA authorities should be embarrassed that they allowed this level of fraud to be openly conducted on such a large scale, and for so long.

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    Prodigal Cheez
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    @Missy, I thought what you said had a LOT of merit. I believe that true change and compassion can only happen if we can accept differences in each other, and accommodate them in humane terms. I just wanted to point out that the statement you made about black men being killed for whistling at white women is not exclusive to racism. Gay men and women have paid for their difference with their lives too, and I believe absolutely without a single doubt that you are born gay, as much as you are born black or white.

    Matthew Shepard was mercilessly tortured and killed simply because two men thought he was an abomination and didn’t deserve to live. That was a lynching IMO, and I think it’s a lot more common than people think.

    I would like to see my gay friends have the option to legally marry their partners, I am confused over the religious implications in the legislation and need to spend some time this weekend reading about it so I understand it better. While I know some people have religious reasons to be against gay marriage, I don’t know how a STATE could deny a legal domestic partnership. I kind of think ALL couples should have to have a legal marriage in front of a judge or county clerk, or whatever. Then the religious ceremony should be separate and at each person’s discretion. IDK – I’m probably missing the point, I’m very confused about the language of this whole debate… Sorry, long week guys! ;o/

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    Robinez
    Posted October 1, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    @Cheez

    While I am pretty certain that nobody in their right mind would actively participate in any charity that the Salahi’s are involved with, I don’t think MS contributions are suffering because of them.

    I still have a hard time believing that Mic has MS. What keeps coming back to me is her interview with Dianne Diamond present. She never once said that she had MS. Ms. Diamond did. OK, maybe she was very upset. But, that woman has screamed from the rooftops about any charity she is involved with. Love this one..Love that one, please contribute etc etc.. many times reaping the rewards from each charity as has been noted in many articles. But this time she is silent. Why? Why wouldn’t she tell about her struggle with MS for many yrs? The woman doesn’t shut up! But she has shut up in regards to a disease that is affecting her life. Makes no sense to me.

    TC, Robin

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     Robinez
     Posted October 1, 2010 at 9:59 pm

     I HATE TERESA AND THE SALAMI”S!!!!!

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     Stewinberri
     Posted October 1, 2010 at 11:00 pm

     Bridget: I would add Shantigal to your list of potential recappers. Her posts are incisive, sassy and hilarious. She reminds me of a combination of Wynona from Good Times and the advice columnist E.Jean. Notwithoutmytv, I can only take in small doses or my head would probably explode from laughter and confusion.

     I too hate the Salamis but I loved the Salamis dressed as Salahis!

     @Cheez: Bravo appears to be getting better at Vetting the talent. Sonja(NY),
     RHOBH, DC, Khandi and the new additions to Atlanta. These ladies at least appear to actually have the goods/resources/connections. Kelly(NY) looks good on paper and is a legit minor socialite. The kind of crazy she brings,I don’t think you can predict. Not all crazy is bad, in fact I like a little from the howives, just not Kelly’s. The other crap just needs to get cycled out or there needs to be more of a balance between wannabes and benots (or we get to see their reveal).

     The Salahis are a gift to the other howives in lieu of a salary increase/residuals. After these two broke assed grifters and their borderline psychotic delusions, the problems of the other howives appear, uh unlikely but not unusual? I don’t know, these two leave me slack jawed. I mean great balls of fraud. I would’nt believe this crap, unless I had’nt seen it with my own eyes! And in the nation’s capital, no less.

     Oh and Bbitz, you are BRILLIANT! You have no where near the dysfunction, delusion and denial the others have to work with (aside from the Salamis, who are as disturbing to me as Danielle) but you make this shit funny. Not an easy thing to do with this group but you manage. My hats off to you.

     @Robinez: a drink to tradition. Chin Chin!

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     Prodigal Cheez
     Posted October 1, 2010 at 11:00 pm

     Well, I hope I’m wrong @Robin and @Spoon, and I probably am! I could definitely live with it,

     I HATE TERESA AND THE SALAMI’S TOO!!!

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     Pixielated
     Posted October 1, 2010 at 11:12 pm

     Yep, Cheez, that’s what is (or should be) meant by separation of church and state. The legalization of marriage for gays should have no impact on any religious group. Therefore, IMO, no religious group should have any impact on that law. The freedom to practice and preach what they believe is all that the Constitution guarantees them.

     You’re right, if every couple had two separate events, the legal marriage and the religious marriage (if they so choose), the separation might be clearer. But the license itself is purely a part of civil law, not religion.

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     shantigal
     Posted October 1, 2010 at 11:21 pm

     @Stewinberri – Thanks doll for the compliment, but I’m a fucking idiot, and lazy too.

     I am in awe of the magnitude of talent that shows up in the comments, not to mention the recappers themselves. They are out of my league.

     But seriously, Flipit holds recap auditions a few times per year. Anyone could and should audition if they are so inclined. When’s the next one Flippy?

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     Bahu Rupiya
     Posted October 1, 2010 at 11:53 pm

     The Salahis met with the Royal Family in India? Hm, I don’t think I’m even gonna go down that road. Let’s just say that was an interesting comment.

     Um, Stace, it’s half-brother, not step, and if you looked at your own inbox, you’d notice that quite a large chunk of the spam you delete every day contains subject lines similar to the message you & Jason sent this poor chump.

     I thought the Embassy lady was really sweet, & I hope it works out for Stacie – and her dad – but I wonder why instead of doing the “you’re from Nigeria, you must know my daddy” to Ebong at a dinner party, she didn’t take him aside for a quiet lunch and show him the pic.

     Oh, crap. Just as I am really liking Lynda, she says she doesn’t know where Burkina Faso is, and then in the same breath, notes that some people consider fashion superficial.

     Michaele is all excited about wearing going to the politician’s ball or something dressed inexplicably in a wedding sari. I’m guessing when you called to ask about the broader question of eastern vs western sartorial choices, you didn’t mention that you planned to show up in a bride costume.

     Turns out this is the one Bravo set up to seed the cultural Perfect Hate Storm and pump some viewer interest into a relatively ho-hum iteration of the typically near-Abrego-uesque franchise that taught the world to shriek “Man Juice Wooo-Hooo!”

     “I feel like it’s our wedding!” she gushes. Wait. She KNOWS it’s a bride costume?

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     Robinez
     Posted October 2, 2010 at 1:06 am

     @ Bahu Rupiya

     I noticed alot of attention paid to the Sari via the Bravo camera’s and the comment’s. I wondered if her choice was a mistake. So, it was more or less like showing up at a dinner party in a wedding dress?

     Robin

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     Robinez
     Posted October 2, 2010 at 1:23 am

     Never mind..Google was my friend.

     While red sari’s are traditionally a color for a bride, many gals rock a red sari every day. I guess just like white is the color for a bride here it doesn’t mean that white can’t be worn. Unless it is after labor day..

     Can’t stand Mic but it looks like her sari wasn’t the worst choice. I thought it was pretty actually.

     TC,Robin

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     kdfinjpn
     Posted October 2, 2010 at 2:56 am

     PCheez – the latest episode FINALLY downloaded to my Apple TV so try iTunes again!

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     Bahu Rupiya
     Posted October 2, 2010 at 6:01 am

     @Robin Oh that’s definitely just my subjective opinion. It wasn’t just that it was red, I guess to me, it would be like if somebody had shown up at that same event wearing a strapless white poufy ballgown dress with a lace overlay and little crystals scattered over the bodice.

     Which may have happened. If it did, at least one person there is sure to have sneered behind her hand to someone else, “um, is that a wedding dress?”

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     Bridget Miller
     Posted October 2, 2010 at 10:39 am

     @PCheeze: I was thinking of the same analogy between rape and Mic’s claims to have MS. I hope that her very public claim to have MS does not hurt other people that are actually suffering from the illness. The Salamis have been on Fox News a couple of times to discuss her illness and the viewers of Fox News aren’t always the most discerning of viewers, and I think that people are going to believe her. (Sorry if I offended any Fox viewers that come here, but if you are commenting at on these recaps then you don’t fit in with my blanket assumption). It would not be out of character for them to try use their “fame” from the tv show to start a charity for her illness . These two are grifters after all. There are suckers born every minute and I am sure that the Salamis have a sucker radar. Didn’t some of the Atlanta hos–err housewives—try to use their fame to start some bogus foundation/charity? I think that Neenee started that domestic abuse charity and didn’t seem like she really had a plan on how she was going to use the money she raised. She just decided to host a party to raise money- that most likely went into her bank account. It is stupid to give money to a cause without knowing where the money goes, but she still got a handful of people to donate.

     It is just disgusting the women that Bravo picks to be on these shows. I was reading about how difficult it was for them to find women for the DC show because most of the upper tier women were smart enough to not be involved in a reality show. Many of them didn’t want to get involved because of the potential for the show to damage their reputations, their husbands reputations, and one woman said that she didn’t want to be on the show because she didn’t want to get a divorce.

     So I think that while they may try to vet the cast. They may not have a huge pool to select from and that is how they end up with people like Kim & Neenee from Atlanta, the Jew-Dices, Danielle, etc. I would imagine that the very wealthy don’t need to be on a reality show and wouldn’t want to be on one either. Appearing on the show could do damage to their social standing, careers, source of income, etc.

     So far most of the women that have been on the show seem to need money and are using the show as a way to hold on to living a life that they have grown accustomed to. There is a certain feeling of desperation to these shows. A few of the women don’t come across like that- Bethany, Stacie, Lynda come to mind- but most of them seem like they are grasping at any opportunity that will make them money. It is all kind of pathetic especially since these women think that they are a part of the upper class and that the viewers watching them are the wannabes. But in actuality it is the housewives that are the wannabes which makes the show fun to watch. Sort of.

     @Bahu Rupiya: The red sari didn’t seem like the best choice in outfits- I don’t know it just didn’t seem right and now it makes sense to me. She was pretty much wearing a wedding dress which is tacky and kind of funny. I thought that she was wore the sari because at the polo match they claimed to be good friends with the embassador to India (or something like that) and was wearing to legitimize their connection to the politically powerful. But that could be a stretch. I have been known to make those in the past.

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     Bridget Miller
     Posted October 2, 2010 at 11:05 am

     I bet the Salamis would have not tried to get into the White House party if the Bravo cameras had not been present. Everything that they do seems to be so calculated and seems like an attempt to make themselves relevant. I would say that is why Mic/Missy lied about being a cheerleader- in an attempt to get more camera time or to appear interesting so that she would get casted- but she had been paying dues to the alumni group before the show started, so that couldn’t have been her entire motivation in lying about that. I wish someone would shake her and get her to admit to why she would lie about that. It doesn’t make sense. You seriously have to have no sense of right and wrong and/or be completely devoid of shame which, generally, means you have no moral compass, to show up to a Redskin event and pretend to be a cheerleader. I know I keep harping on this, but I still haven’t gotten my head around how uncomfortable that situation must have been and that she seemed completely unfazed by any of it. The fact that she ran around hugging people in an attempt to show that she belonged there just seems so pathological.

     I also don’t understand why they need someone else to write a tell all book about their own fucking life story. Maybe they couldn’t get a publisher to trust them enough to give them a book advance. Or maybe they are just too idiotic to put together a complex sentence, much less to have the intelligence to write a coherent paragraph. Although with some of the books out there- intelligent writing doesn’t seem all that necessary in writing a successful book. I mean some how Teresa’s cookbook was on the New York Times best seller list. I bet people in hell didn’t expect that they were going to need ice skates.

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     Bridget Miller
     Posted October 2, 2010 at 11:12 am

     Last comment for awhile: I promise. But I think that the Salamis kept staying at all these hotels because they don’t have an actual house. I am sure that they got to stay at the Four Seasons because the show was pretty much a free advertisement.

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     Spoon
     Posted October 2, 2010 at 12:34 pm

     @Prodigal, I feel you – I see what you’re sayin. I just think that while Mic & Tareq could probably harm a Polo franchise (since that’s kind of a Full o’ Crap thing anyway) I don’t think they could significantly affect a really serious subject like disease awareness. But again, I see your POV.

     I think that so much attention was paid to the Sari thing because it showed how full of poopy Mic was by saying she had been in India for an extended amount of time and had worn a Sari before? That’s what I got out of it. I mean it’s understandable that she might not be adept at putting one on but she literally had NO idea. If they could teach the dolts on ANTM how to do it in one episode I think a woman who claimed to be in India for almost a month could learn.

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     Bionic Television
     Posted October 2, 2010 at 12:49 pm

     Thanks for the shoutout @BridgetMiller! Maybe one day I’ll get it together to audtion a recap, I used to write comedy back in the day (probably hard to believe, since I’m not exactly Sarah Silverman on the comments board).

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     Bionic Television
     Posted October 2, 2010 at 12:57 pm

     @BridgetMiller, I think I read somewhere that the Salamis go to all the hotels so that all the people who are after them can’t find them to subpoena them, or something? I have to look that up.

     And I totally agree, I think the Four Seasons room was more than likely comped, since they have so many interior shots of it and mention it by name so much. It’s probably product placement.

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     Prodigal Cheez
     Posted October 2, 2010 at 3:26 pm

     @Bionic and @Bridget, I looked up the exact suite they stayed in at the Four Seasons – it STARTS at $8000 per night. I think most of these hotels let them come in and film for free promotional consideration. Their real home is actually very modest, you can find a picture of it in the Washington Post links.

     I can’t really figure out the cheerleading angle either, except I think the movers and shakers in DC are really entrenched the whole Redskins culture – so claiming to be a Redskinette Alumni might buy them some social cache, and access to the private stadium boxes which would give them access to wealthy “marks”. I know they have crashed those boxes before, and there are lot of very pissed off box-owners in DC right now.

     My theory is that she’s probably been telling people that lie for years, maybe even Tareq, and it took on a life of it’s own. After watching the last two episodes, I can see that she doesn’t back down on anything and will keep going with it until the bitter end.

     I just watched the last episode… I find her more and more disturbing, and him more and more pathetic. She really reminds me of Laren Sims, who was a notorious con artist and grifter who ultimately murdered her husband and then committed suicide in prison.

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies_My_Mother_Told_Me

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     Prodigal Cheez
     Posted October 2, 2010 at 3:37 pm

     Laren Sims is actually Elisa McNabney, I confused the movie names with her real one(s). Sorry!!

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     sarcasatire
     Posted October 3, 2010 at 2:57 am

     @Bionic TV” Where can we read some of your stuff? I’m itching for a giggle!

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     Classy Drunk
     Posted October 3, 2010 at 8:57 am

     “I do think that it is wrong to discriminate on marriage and while it has some similarities to interracial they aren’t the same.”

     I really do agree with this statement Missy. I do not want to demean the fight of gay people, but it’s not the same. Same sex marriages will redefine what marriage is, as the law currently states that marriage is between a man and a woman. Interracial marriage did not redefine marriage.

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     bBitz
     Posted October 3, 2010 at 10:34 am

     A different example then: When women were given the right to vote it changed the law and yet it did not redefine voting.

     The reason why it’s difficult to be friends with someone that is against marriage equality is because it’s like being friends with someone who says, “Although it doesn’t affect me or my marriage, I don’t think you should be able to marry the person you love or have rights such as:
     Assumption of Spouse’s Pension
     Bereavement Leave
     Immigration
     Insurance Breaks
     Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner
     Sick Leave to Care for Partner
     Social Security Survivor Benefits
     Tax Breaks
     Visitation of Partner in Hospital or Prison
     Assumption of Spouse’s Pension
     Automatic Inheritance
     Automatic Housing Lease Transfer
     Bereavement Leave
     Burial Determination
     Child Custody
     Crime Victim’s Recovery Benefits
     Exemption from Property Tax on Partner’s Death
     Immunity from Testifying Against Spouse
     Insurance Breaks
     Joint Adoption and Foster Care
     Joint Bankruptcy
     Joint Parenting (Insurance Coverage, School Records)
     Certain Property Rights”

     It’s rather difficult to be friends with someone that values certain religious beliefs (I say certain because it’s picking and choosing) over the basic rights that directly affect their friend. It’s very plain and simple.

     Someone made the point that interracial marriage is different because Blacks were looked at as “sub human”. Gays have absolutely been treated as “sub human” as well. They been mocked, they’ve been beaten, they’ve been arrested, they’ve been treated unequally – all because of who they were. All because people have seen them as “sub human”. And it’s because of this continuing treatment that causes young gays to look at their future and decide it’s not worth living.

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     Prodigal Cheez
     Posted October 3, 2010 at 11:07 am

     @bBitz – thanks for the post, I’m somewhat ashamed to say I had no idea how many of my own rights I take for granted. That was a real eye-opener.

     As for your last statement, my heart aches and breaks for any suffering people endure – but a young person who looks at their future as being bleak and painful is especially heartrending. I’m thinking of the young man at Rutger, and how he must have felt to have had all of his hopes and dreams twisted into self-destruction in one terrible and unforgivable action by a person he barely knew.

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     thiajok
     Posted October 3, 2010 at 1:56 pm

     Very well put, bBitz.

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     thiajok
     Posted October 3, 2010 at 2:20 pm

     One more thing to say, and then I will leave this alone: Women getting the right to vote didn’t change the fact that some religions still teach that women are inferior. Black people getting civil rights didn’t make it illegal for the KKK and other racists/racist organizations to have freedom of speech.

     When gay people are finally given the Federal right to marry, it will not stop some religions and anti-gay people/organizations from having their freedom of speech, either. In effect, changing the law doesn’t stop hatred or intolerance, it just gives rights to those who were previously denied equal status.

     So the religious and/or homophobic people can continue feeling superior even after the law changes.

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     chemgal
     Posted October 3, 2010 at 4:39 pm

     I am not shit stirring or looking to start a fight, just sharing some information I recently learned myself as Maine is currently looking into giving all non US citizens the right to vote on all state and local ballots. Regarding woman voting – states are allowed to grant anyone the right to vote and always have been. 5 year olds can vote if a state allows it. The only thing the US constitution does is prevent states from not allowing those 18 and older from voting and women. Also, the 3/5 of a person criteria was actually put in place by northern anti slave representatives. It was to prevent the south from being allowed to count all their slaves skewing the population to the south’s favor and allowing them to keep slavery legal because they would have more representatives in the House of Reps.

     And in a funny coincidence, my captcha code is suuu – very fitting with the current salami discussion.

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     Classy Drunk
     Posted October 3, 2010 at 7:38 pm

     Sorry to be nit picky because I think that all people should have the same civil rights I believe that the two issues are different.

     “Someone made the point that interracial marriage is different because Blacks were looked at as “sub human”. Gays have absolutely been treated as “sub human” as well.”

     Black were not “looked” at as sub human. That was the law. They were 3/5 of a person. That was in the Article of the Confederation in which many of the laws in our country were based on.

     I know that gays have been treated unequally just as other minorities and definitely do not want to departed the two, but it is hard to treat the two as similar when one was actually enslaved in this country for decades.

     Sorry if my post doesn’t make the greatest sense, but I went on a date with an idiot tonight and I think I may have caught his stoopid.

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     giffordsaz
     Posted October 3, 2010 at 8:51 pm

     No to stay from your talk as of late.. These two should not have been allowed to marry.Pray they don’t procreate

     in case you have started Christmansshopping…. this mightintrestyou.

     http://www.salahiphoto.com/

     or if you have children to buy for…..

     http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/09/white-house-gatecrasher-michaele-salahi-made-barbie-doll-wannabe-action-figure

     Just don’t hire these people..

     http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/10/dc-househusband-tareq-salahi-takes-another-business-bankruptcy

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     Pixielated
     Posted October 3, 2010 at 9:36 pm

     @Classy, isn’t the 3/5 rule in the Constitution as well? It was a way to count 3/5 of the slave population of the South toward figuring out how many representatives to give the Southern states, even though, of course, the slaves could not vote.

     When you are “owned” by another person, as a piece of property, it tends to dehumanize you altogether.

     One difference is that gays can hide their sexual identity (I’m not saying it’s a good thing) but you cannot hide that you’re black. Unless you are light enough to “pass.”

     It’s too bad when oppressed groups get involved in these “who had it worse” debates. They aren’t really productive. (As we just saw with Rick Sanchez’s remarks on Jews.)

     @giff, I doubt that Michaele could have a child at this point, between her age and being so thin. I guess you never know, though.

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     Prodigal Cheez
     Posted October 3, 2010 at 10:16 pm

     @giff! That Missy action figure is terrifying!!

     Why do Tareq’s suits never quite fit?

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     classy drunk
     Posted October 4, 2010 at 5:20 am

     @Pixielated, yes the 3/5 compromise was in the Articles of the Confederation and the Constitution.

     “It’s too bad when oppressed groups get involved in these “who had it worse” debates. They aren’t really productive. (As we just saw with Rick Sanchez’s remarks on Jews.)”

     I hope that’s not what people think I am doing. I know that many feel Stacie and Jason are wrong for their beliefs and people revert back to interracial marriage. I just want people to know that those two battles were different.

     Many of these laws start out based on religion, so people have to change the structure on which they based their moral fibers to be open to certain changes. These things take time. Like another poster said there will be a time when people say, “wow gays couldn’t get married?!??!?”

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     Bahu Rupiya
     Posted October 4, 2010 at 6:29 am

     radaronline is reporting that Tareq’s “America’s Polo Cup Inc” company filed for bankruptcy a few days ago…

     A catering company has already filed suit for non-payment.

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     giffordsaz
     Posted October 4, 2010 at 9:31 am

     @Bahu…yep… that is what I posed back in comment #126.

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     tvaholic
     Posted October 4, 2010 at 9:38 am

     bBitz-great point & I agree with PCheez in that I don’t realize the rights I have that I take for granted. Although, I’m not really into marriage in general, but that’s a whole other story. My thing with the Turners and other people like them is I think these are the kind of people who are in a dilemma, torn between life-long religious beliefs and the ideas & opinions they are gathering from life experience. And I think, if I understood his attitude correctly, Mr. Catania belived it is those people they need to engage & interact with as they are the ones most likely to understand & change their minds. The knee-jerk reaction by Paul, while understandable, isn’t productive to the mission. Although it does have to be burdensome to always be taking the high road and be patient-I don’t mean that sarcastically at all, I think from what I’ve seen of Mr. Catania he must have the patience of a saint. I would think at some point after years of oppression & being subjected to hate & discrimination, if it were me I don’t think I would be as forgiving & patient!

     And Bridget-I’m far too lazy, but thanks for that!

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     Bahu Rupiya
     Posted October 6, 2010 at 7:58 am

     @giffordsaz You did indeed! I guess that’ll teach me not to leave links unclicked!