Then it’s time for Caro to get the dirty orange rag on her head fixed up. It’s Salon Kathy Wakile. Kat tells us they have a mutual respect for each other, which means that she kisses Caro’s ass and Caro tolerates her as long as she stays in the sanctioned blood-feud with Teresa.
Kat talks about how it’s been a good trip, whether it’s avoidance or whatever, everyone’s getting along so well. Of course she queries Caro about the state of the union between Ter and Jacquee and Caro informs her that they have officially agreed to disagree on the definition offriendship.
And speaking of Jacquee, here she comes with her now patented fake laugh. Did she forget how to real laugh? It’s cringeworthy. She tells the mean ladies that she and Ter have indeed made up and being the nice, supportive family and friends they are, they do everything they can to passive aggressively talk her out of it. You’re getting along? How are you getting along? Is it because you’re avoiding each other? But hey, live and let live and all.
Jacquee tells the squawking chickens that she’s Ter’s friend if she needs her, and if not then she’s staying out of it. So what’s wrong with that? Jacquee finally grows one bone onto her spine and tells Caro and Kat that they’re in a good place right now and she doesn’t want to go backwards. Which is exactly what Mel said. I wonder if this is Ter’s plan? To be so utterly difficult and make everyone so furious that when she comes back in the picture everyone’s just happy she’s not flipping tables over at them that they go along with whatever she wants.
And then Caro really drives in the knife. She says she sees “movement” toward Mel and Jacquee on Ter’s part… but not toward Kat. Saint Kat says it’s no biggie, she’s happy to just let the Gorgas have time to mend. ”Sit next to her at dinner,” suggest Jacquee. Oooh, sitting Ter next to the the one person she’s not talking to on the trip. Getting warmed up.
“Hope there’s a lot of wine down there,” comment Caro. Everyone is dressed up, and the they head back out to the vineyard for dinner. And hopefully, no sex. Ever. Well, that we have to see or hear about. Which brings us back to no sex. Ever.
Someone comments that Ter and Kat look like cousins. Ter does not seem excited by this news. Chris Laurita makes a nice toast about how it’s their last night and he’s looking forward to spending more time with all of them. But it’s not enough. Ter has to make a toast too. Okay, everyone ready for THE SNUB?
She thanks Chris and Jacquee for inviting them. She loves the time she spent with Mel and Midge. Oh, and happy 50th to Caroline. And, uh, that’s about it. It was a great week, she concludes and then toasts.
And the lack of a shout out in Ter’s toast has got Kat pissed. And Caroline too. Gay Sidekick gestures for her to raise her glass, but she snottily says that she does not raise her glass to mean toasts.
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Great recap! what an episode.
1. I feel like maybe I should thank you for not including a recap of the humiliating and disgusting things Ter threw out in a bid to make Joe “smile”.
2. A huge cost factor in wine is that everyone must inexplicably use special French oak barrels from a specific rapidly depleting forest in France and the fact that all of Napa and Sonoma have been just missing a burly, oily, orange knight in shining Crisco to save them $150 per barrel is truly amazing. What an IDIOT.
3. I feel like Smurf keeps getting off easy for that awful phone call. He started by saying what are you doing and then giving the universal creepy chuckle meaning he heard something sexy as a response. Of course there is the wife bad-mouthing but then he says something like “you can say anything you want but they don’t speak english” to Tre as though she had requested to speak to the person on the phone. Then he commences in a nonsensical smattering of spanish as though to a non-english speaking worker. If you wrote a movie script for a cheater you wouldn’t have found so many stereotypical lines.
4. Great example of this show’s pervasive unreality when Caroline was seated with the camera getting the awe-inspiring views instead of her. Only Joe was dumb enough to suggest she should have the view without realizing this had nothing to do with Caroline’s bday and everything to do with her public matriarch masturbation assisted by her misshapen children.
“Uncle Pats farm”====bbwwaahhhaaahhaaa– love me some Sopranos ref.
ok- back to reading
OK–great recap CB– I keep missing this show–I even tried to get on-bard with my drink on ala Manzo-thon but lost interest. Thank CB for the recaps–from what I read here and TV pre-views my eyes could take it.
Tiny’s b-day dinner looked very nice. I guess its why Al came on the trip and left brother Tommy to run the Brownstone. The kids speeches seemed to be what we expect yes? Lauren whining, Albie showing “maturity” b/c I think he tends to be blunt, and Citterfur the mama’s boy (yes and water is wet–tell us something new).
Jaxx and Chris Laurita– I am giving passes too b/c of what I just heard about Baby Nick–the squishy baby of NJ. That is alot to contend with–a recent diagnosis is overwelming. You have doctors, social services and all kinds of info hitting you at once. You are getting Cawfee’s snark-free pass this week.
The Gorgas and Wakiles I have nothing to say of— other than I wish Rosie came on this trip. You realize how much she is bringing to the season.
Tre and Joe—- Lord……ms Mia is right-he is getting off waaaaay too easy. Maybe she tears him a new one in private. It would be cool to see him with a black eye the next day, some stitches and holding his balls. But that is just how I would handle things– I am classy like that.
And there is of course the fact that this could be a set-up for tv. BRAVO is known for their edi-rection of the show, so why not this??? Its filling tabloids and entertainment weeklies, so it could have been created for the show. Does he cheat on her–I think he does. I also think this isnt a first time. We still don’t know where he left his wallet, and a few episodes back when he “was out with ” a girl/girls and Gia caught him on the story. Must have been one hell of a ride to the shore.
Didn’t one of the Gui-spawn mentioned that “Daddy” sleeps in his own room a few weeks back? I think their marriage is over and what we are seeing is Tre’s pathetic attempt to save face in front of the cameras, her family, and “friends.”
hot cawfee – I was touched when I read what you said re: Jax & Chris recent diagnosis of their beautiful baby boy Nick. I’m the mom of an Aspie – 16 yrs old. They so need to just focus on him and let all the rest of this BS go. So Tre goes to the tabloids, they are about to go on the journey of their lives with this child. That’s why Jac was crying in the RV. She is emotionally exhausted. Let Ter do whatever Ter does. Don’t argue with her, just smile and be her friend in whatever way she needs it. …… and the way things are going, I think she really needs Jacs friendship and Jacs gonna need to have a friend to lean on as well from time to time. Nothing really matters except the boy now. Focus concentrate on the boy. Okay off my soapbox now. Thanks Chickbomb for the recap. Well worth the wait. Love your descriptions of brown smurf – drunk, fat, unemployed and dreaming of chicken! Thanks for the laughs!
Caro is just ready to combust with hate/jealousy/resentment at Tre.
I thought we were going to see steam coming out of her ears. It’s pretty bad when someone makes me feel sorry for Tre. Caro’s just a mean bitch. Maybe that’s why she doesn’t talk to half her fambly.
They totally overreacted to Tre’s toast. Who knows how she meant it? It came from Tre!!! In her head 1) Chris and Jax invited them on the trip, 2) she made headway with Melissa and 3) Caro had her 50th. That’s what she toasted. Kat could have totally been an oversight since Tre didn’t associate anything major with Kat and Dilbert on this trip. Fucking get over it already lady! You DID take a dig at her with the pixelle comment, afterall! Pfft!
Someone really needs to knock Don Caro’s head off. Just saw a promo for WWHL on Sunday. Miss Andy is going to have Tre and Caro on after the show this Sunday. MEOW!!!
Lord help me I feel somewhat sorry for Tre. Her husband is an ass who’s probably cheating on her and got himself in legal trouble. Whether you like her or hate her if push came to shove, and she downsized and got a grip on reality, she could take care of her and her girls quite well.
Would DonCaro have been able to do that when her kids were that age? Did SHE have any skills or any independence to fall back on? I think her ‘tiny’ ass has been gliding on the success of the Brownstone all her life. Take a chill bitch. Hate gives you wrinkles.
I heard about Little Nick’s diagnosis, too. From what little I know about Autism it can take many forms from mild to severe. I wish the best for Jax, Chris and Little Nick. Maybe with this reality check they can all realize how ridiculous it is to worry about what Tre says to the tabloids?
THIS is the important stuff in life!
The mean toast picture. Comedy nirvana.
@Chickbomb
‘Bet you Caro was so proud of that judgmental protocol she forgot Lauren was fat.’
Bwahahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!!! Oh, thank you so much. My puppy is staring at me from behind the couch, with the face that says ‘Oh, crap, mommy finally lost her last marble…, everybody hiiiiiide!’
Still ROTFLinggggggggg..
Really, the Manzo fambly just really needs to STFU, though I’m sure we will be hearing Caroline spout off about another “Manzo success”…..
http://absurdtosublime.net/2012/08/25/blk-water-is-the-cure-for-according-to-albie-manzo/
Does this mean little Nicky has nothing to worry about?? What a bunch of fucking lunatic idiots.
Aye yai yai! What’s all this ‘I feel bad for Teresa’ nonsense? I respect everyone’s opinions but I couldn’t disagree more! She’s a lying, psychopath and deserves everything she’s getting 10 fold. Her husband being an asshole doesn’t make up for the fact that she’s a 2 faced, lying, conniving, backstabbing bitch. Plus? Teresa makes up enough excuses for herself so she doesn’t need anyone to do it for her.
World: “Teresa you said this”
Teresa: “Well I didn’t mean it that way & it doesn’t matter because you hurt ME. Plus Kathy’s a bitch that likes to take digs. Just because our moms swapped recipes all the time doesn’t mean it’s her mom’s recipe. All the recipes they were swapping were MY moms. She may have called & asked for a recipe but only because she couldn’t remember what her recipe was & she needed reminding. I don’t care if you weren’t talking about Kat. She insultededed me!”
World: “Teresa why did you lie.”
Teresa: “I didn’t lie! I just said something that wasn’t true. Mind ya business. Don’t read the stories I put out about what me & my family is going through and then ask me about them. That’s private! Plus why would you believe a magazine? I just told them stuff & they wrote it down! I didn’t tell them to print my words!”
World: “Teresa you deserve better”
Teresa: “Joe is a great father & husband. He doesn’t mean the shit he says. ALL fathers tell their daughters to beat the shit out of each other & ignore them when they’re bleeding. And when he called me a whore he meant I just like to have sex with my husband in vineyards to prove he loves me and not that ‘worker’ he was talking to on the phone. Plus it doesn’t speak English even though Joe was speaking English when I walked up. Besides he was only talking to it to get his wallet back. And when he said I’m a cunt he meant my sex is good. Like ‘oh your sex is so cunty, you’re such a cunt’ you know…ha ha…funny..I have good sex”
And This:
“Although, of course I actually do agree with Ter’s point on this. Whatever’s going on it’s between her and her family…..Enter Mel, with the lofty commentary that “it’s no longer between your husband and you if your on a magazine cover”. It is if you’re just trying to sell magazines.”
Ummm, WHAT? When she’s selling her story to mags, regardless of the reason, said story is no longer between ‘her & her family’. If you want people to stay out of your business, keep that shit to yourself. And also? Keep their names out of your mouth if you don’t want them to comment or get upset about the dumb shit you say about them.
Also:
“Mel admonishes her to not give information about the rest of the group when she does interviews, but I doubt she does. I think they just generally make that shit up.”
Uh..NO! That’s not legal. You can’t directly quote someone if they didn’t say the shit. Besides…Teresa has admitted to saying the shit, so there’s that.
Could you BE trying any harder to excuse the shitty person that is Teresa? Look, I hate Caro with a passion of a thousand suns & wish she would go die in a fire, but that’s not going to make me excuse the hateful shit Teresa does and file it away under ‘she doesn’t know any better & her husband’s an asshole’. You know, because she’s a grown ass woman who should know better & no one’s forcing her to stay with that neanderthal to keep up the facade that is her ‘happy marriage’. Nor is it going to make me not like Kathy who is the most genuine person on this show or Melissa who just wants to have fun while her and her husband’s penis is on display. I don’t get the hate for them or the excuses for Teresa. THERE I said it! *ducks*
Having said all that….who knew Vito had a personality, Kathy should be getting child support for taking care of Richie, Jackie is officially a fake laughing shell of her former self, drunk Joe is a funny idiot who should be put down, I have finally joined the ‘put Tarzan away & never discuss him again’ club, Albert taking a picture of Joey’s inappropriateness was genuis, & Caro could suck the color out of a rainbow.
Since my mind always goes to minutiae, I can’t help but comment on the new pajamas (leopard, of course) that Teresa was showing off when she was packing for the trip. Why is this bankrupt bitch buying anything ? She should just sleep in one of Juicy’s old, grease and sweat-stained undershirts. Given his obvious contempt for her, that’s probably as close as she’ll ever get again to his bodily fluids. Egad, what a thought.
Excellent recap.
@Fancyface, I co-sign EVERY SINGLE WORD you wrote!!!
@2MuchBravo,
‘They totally overreacted to Tre’s toast. Who knows how she meant it?’
See, I am sure Tre knew exactly what she was and was NOT saying. In one of THs in this ep, she again bitched about Kat and how she (Tre) holds no grudges and NEVER says anything bad about Kat, while Kat does. (In the interest of time I’m ignoring the glaring falsehood of that delusional gem). Then she praised Mel for her ‘efforts’ (read: forced acquiescence) in ‘maintaining the peace’. And finally decreed ‘If Kat stops her bullshit, SHE TOO can have a relationship with me’. As if the Empress Tre was doling out favors from atop her throne, and Kat had to earn her right to even breathe the same air Tre does, let alone look at and talk to the Sun-queen. That one segment left me reeling, it was so out of touch with reality. I know this moron is totally delusional and lives in her own little world, but there are still limits to human gullibility, and she apparently thinks she has us all fooled.
‘Whether you like her or hate her if push came to shove, and she downsized and got a grip on reality, she could take care of her and her girls quite well. Would DonCaro have been able to do that when her kids were that age? Did SHE have any skills or any independence to fall back on?’
I can’t get over the unfairness of that statement. Did we all forget that Teresa is a dumb, uneducated, illiterate idiot, with zero marketable skills and no real life work experience? She caught the golden goose when this show fell into her lap. Before that she was a stay-home mom with absolutely no way of making it on her own out there, had Smurfy left her. Only dumb luck and cockeyed chance are to thank for the fact that she now has money in the bank and can actually cover her debts, and maybe even support the kids (depending on how much she really is spending). Let us not fool ourselves – the only thing she did to deserve this good fortune in life was shutting up her stupid trap for a second and listening to Bravo’s direction in regards to her books etc. We all know that she DID NOT write a word in her books, she did not cook the foods that were photographed for them, she did not develop the recipes, she did not come up with ‘Fabellini’ (that ripoff of Betheny was just epic). The only credit I will give her is for figuring out how to sell her BS stories to the tabloids and make money on that racket.
So you are probably right that Tiny could never have supported herself and her ‘successful’ kids earlier in life, but neither could Tre, all things being equal. This show changed her life, and clearly could not have come at a more opportune moment. The fact that she took advantage of this happenstance and every one that followed is commandable, but has nothing to do with a good business sense or intelligent thought process. She’s just smart enought to know whom she can spit in the face, and who she has to kiss the ass of, regardless of her true feelings towards them. She was probably the luckies person in Jersey to get chosen for the show, yet her jealousy, her insane hatred of Mel, her inexplicable disdain for Kat, led her to do EVERYTHING SHE COULD to not have them partake in the same golden shower.
She will always and forever remain an ingrate, ready to strike at her friends and/or family with vicious venom, deaf to any reason, convinced of her own superiority and their having to earn the right to bask in her hallow light, while she never ever does anything to earn anybody else’s good will, love and sympathy.
She is the most AWFUL, damaged, rotten empty, soaked in hateful vitriol and poisonous schadenfreude, husk of a woman I ever saw on TV. She’s become a painful caricature of the person all the viewer goodwill was trying to anoint her as, and it boggles my mind that now, in the midst of the most hate filled season of this show, there is shockingly so much undeserved and unearned goodwill towards her. Just because she is suddenly being victimized by her dwarf criminal hubby, does not wipe away all the ills she’s done onto others, whether they were witnessed by the TV cameras or not.
Just because Tre didn’t have a lot of education, marketing skills, or anything else doesn’t mean she hasn’t learned something along the way.
LOL @ Melissa, Kathy and Teresa partaking in a “golden shower”!!!!
# 13 – polk8dot Kudo’s! My thoughts exactly!
@Polk8Dot……*LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG SLOW CLAPPPPPP*
Here muthertrucking Here! After reading the last few recaps & these comments, I thought I was alone in my ‘WTF are these people talking about and do they not remember what a ThunderCunt that Cooch is’ mindset! Welcome to the dark side!
@Cali…”Just because Tre didn’t have a lot of education, marketing skills, or anything else doesn’t mean she hasn’t learned something along the way.” <—–Is that a joke or are you being serious? Please tell me you're being sarcastic. If you are…*ROFLMBO*. If you're not…..*face palm*
It’s a snark site, what do you think, Fancy? Of course I’m joking. Still doesn’t mean I think she’s the Anti-Christ. She could have read a book, or learned something on Celebrity Apprentice. Stranger things have happened.
Why do you call her ‘Ter’? You know they call her ‘Tre’, right? Just wondering if there is some backstory on ‘Ter’ that I missed that might make it funny or make sense or something. Keep up the great recaps, love to read them!!!
Shhh, don’t tell anybody but Teresa secretly sacrifices dogs to Satan in her backyard and bathes in the blood of little babies to try to maintain her youth.
Sheesh. I do not understand this strange over the top rage toward this admittedly flawed woman. No one is all good or all evil and we tip the balance one toward the other as our lives ebb and flow. That’s humanity.
No, she is an imperfect person and not always a nice person. But she is LEAGUES above Caroline the Miserable Faux Thug. LEAGUES. I also find it very interesting that Jax has decided that right now is the time to announce the autism story, right when things are going very badly in the blogs/forums for Team Caro/Jax and she looks the worst in the episodes lately. Suddenly everyone is giving her a pass on her irrationality and shadiness. I feel bad for her and Chris and little Nick, but that doesn’t excuse her behavior this season.
@Cali…I don’t think she’s the AntiChrist either. She’s not smart enough.
@Hunnuh…We say Ter because if you’re going to shorten her name that’s the correct way to do it but people say Tre because it sounds better I guess lol
@AndYour…I was about to respond to your comment until I read:
“I also find it very interesting that Jax has decided that right now is the time to announce the autism story, right when things are going very badly in the blogs/forums for Team Caro/Jax and she looks the worst in the episodes lately.”
I have no words for that ignorance.
@fancyface – oh, please. Spare me.
@Dog…Ummm……I did! You’re welcome!
@ fancy Completely agree about Ter and Juicy.
@Polk8 bravo
I also was starting to wonder what miracle Ter completed that absolved her from all of her crappy behavior. Yeah her troll husbands a jerk but she puts up with it. Just because I find Caroline vile doesn’t give Ter a pass in my book.
@ 9 Cali— omgl– HE DIDNT !!!!!!! That is so despicable I am beside myself. Does he have some magic beans also?????
And throwing to kisses to all– I am laughing tears right now!!!!! This is the most fun ever-reading a the recaps and posts.!!! I think every time we post here, an angel gets their wings.
Its time to head back to Jersey– I think its Milania time–I miss that little bundle of…something.
Sheesh, it’s not like I love Teresa. She’s done some terrible shit. She’s got rage issues and flips tables and pushes men. But Caro’s been a hideous bitch to her and acts like her shit doesn’t stink. I dislike Caro immensely and think Tre’s a pathetic character.
@ Polka8dot Yes, the show is probably the luckiest thing that’s ever happened to Tre.
My point was that Caroline probably wouldn’t have had nearly the cushy life that she’s got had she not met Al Manzo. I don’t think she came from money and has basically been a housewife, too. Hell, my middle class mother did more volunteer and charity work than that miserable, judgement passing bitch has done.
I don’t really understand someone saying that Teresa doesn’t deserve anything because she was luckily cast on this show. If she hit Powerball, would she have earned the Jackpot? I mean, really, she went through the casting process like everyone else and networked on her job to gain other opportunities. Isn’t that what a college student would do in an internship? The Teresa hate gets so unreasonable at times: Just because you hate the edited character doesn’t mean she hasn’t taken advantage of the opportunity she was given, like anyone else would do.
Amen, Derek!
@Derek…Who said she doesn’t deserve anything? I’m pretty sure she was pointing out the fact that Teresa wouldn’t have been in any better of a situation than Caroline without the show after someone said that Teresa would in fact be better off without Joe than Caro would without Albie, which imo, was absolute nonsense, and it was a valid point.
Has she taken advantage of her opportunities? Absolutely! She’d be dumb not too! Does that make her any less of a vile person? Absolutely note…refer to my comment #10.
I hate Teresa & Caro equally. So she def doesn’t factor into my opinion of Teresa. Only Teresa does that.
@fancyface, my comment was moreso directed at @polk8dot’s comment #13.
Theresa is a tragic case of stupid meets delusional, but Caroline Manzo is just pure evil. She’s not just the shit stirrer; she’s the one who produces the shit.
*Teresa is called “Tree” (or Tre) by the other characters (ahem) on the show, not “Terr” (or Ter).
*In the first season (in the “no tomato sauce-making when you have your period” episode, I think) Teresa said she graduated from college. I think her parents have a lot of money and probably helped both Joes get started in business. Just a guess.
*Did they truly have sex in the vinyard? Hope NOT!!
Ew.
Fancyface and all who agree with her, I agree with you, except on one point.
I actually like the Brown Smurf!
“Hell, my middle class mother did more volunteer and charity work than that miserable, judgement passing bitch has done.”
How exactly do you know that?
Fancy and Polka thanks for writing what I feel. Ha ha Teresa. Wonder how her parents feels now?
CaroLINE is a miserable piece of fuck. I know her kids all love her–they have to! My gawd why doesn’t someone just tell her to retire her know-it-all attitude and have a big glass of shutthehellup? Why do they let her tell them how to think? She is always saying she likes to fly above (ATL reference there
, so why not just fly away? I frankly feel a bit bad for dipass Tre. She is fully unprepared handle the wrath of Caroline. It’s actually sort of cruel because even when Tre comes back with a good point she is so inarticulate that the impact is totally lost. I know we’re not onto last night’s episode yet, but who slipped chipmunk cheeks an Ambien at just the right moment? Make this stop or suddenly get interesting. Please. One last thing, that “sex scene” in the vineyard was beyond bad TV/ploy for ratings/relevance. I was disgusted and it takes a lot to get me there.
Nasty.
Tre (and I agree, why aren’t we calling her that here?) was a buyer for Macy’s previous to having Gia.
This thread looks pretty heated. After last night’s episode I can truly say that Caroline out cunt-ed Tre by a mile and proves to me that despite Tre’s behaviour past and present; Caroline Manzo is the Twatwaffle of distinction. Really, a top honor Twatwaffle. I don’t care to write a 10,000 word essay on it either. I think that show spoke for itself. And shame on Caroline, she’s just as big a disgrace as Tre. I also though it was particularly rich when Lapband grew a set and started yelling at Tre b/c ‘no one else had Caroline’s back’ Who else would? Kathy? Melissa? Jacqui? The tide turned on that trip back a little more to Tre’s favor and Caroline couldn’t stand it so she had to start a fight but, to expect Tre’s fambly to back up Caroline was just plain dumb of Cuntzo and Lapband. Oh, and size 2 and size 8 MY ASS!
I screamed bloody murder at the TV for the entire hour then had to watch it again when it came on after WWHL to get what I missed, LOL I love to hate this show. Ya got me Bravo.
We get our water from the Russian River!!! Have to get a new filter, I can’t believe they let these morons close to our beautiful winerys and vineyards. They are truely revolting and vulgar! Stay in NJ!!!!
I like Teresa. *ducks ninja stars*
I just prefer her when she’s light and flighty and giving us the “ingredientses” for an entertaining show. Her family coming on the show just dragged everything down with the “family drama.” I liked her paying for stuff with cash, running to ‘Chanels’, and just overall being clueless. Plus, her kids are fun.
Caroline and her and are a bunch of humorless losers. Like someone said upthread, the entire Manzo/laurita clan has been on this show since season one and have yet to try and capitalize on their success. Teresa has been churning out books for a few seasons, now. Don’t get mad caroline because you have nothing to call your own. It takes drive, initiative, and followthru…and as much as Caro hates Tre, she can’t deny that Teresa has a lot of drive.
*dons helmet and bulletproof cape*
I wasn’t aware the Brownstone needed any more business. I wasn’t aware the rest of the families over spent themselves into bankruptcy and then tried to lie on television about it. Did I miss any of that? The problem with Teresa lies in the fact she had to do something or everything would be taken from her (rightly so) because her loser of a husband won’t. As I don’t believe she has made any where near $11M and counting (interest) do we know how much they owe?
@Labowner…yeah I missed that part too! It seems to me, and I may be wrong, that people are letting their hatred for Cuntoline soften their opinion on Teresa. I, for one, have NO problem separating the two. I hate Caro even more after last night’s episode but I still can’t stand the lying, back stabbing, beeyotch that is Teresa. She throws stones & instead of take responsibility for it, she turns the table and try to blame EVERYbody else. THAT’S what I can’t get on board with! Stupid is not an excuse for the shit she does.
I don’t think I’m saying that I think Tre is any less of a scumbag. I am just saying Caroline loves to play the role of Saint Caroline: Mother of the Year and put down Tre. But, I think they are both despicible women. Last night really made me hate Caroline a little more when she layed there like Jabba the Hut and looked down her nose at Tre in front of Tre’s family as if they would take Caroline’s side over Tre’s. Love her or hate her she’s their famby.
And pulling out that tired line, ‘ When you hang around with garbage you start to stink.’ was just old hat.
Whether intentional or not, Teresa makes me laugh. That goes a long way on the Housewives series. The first two seasons were loads more entertaining until her family were brought in to air their dirty laundry. I’ve been tuning it all out as of late because I hate Caroline’s face, teresa isn’t funny anymore, and Milania isn’t given nearly enough screentime.
And I’m sorry, labowner, The brownstone is a manzo business and run my Tommy and Al. It has nothing to do with Caroline, Jacqueline, and her children not taking advantage of the Housewives platforms to launch new business ventures during the first 3 seasons. Finally, season 4, a tomato sauce, Cafface, and Blk water make an appearance. And perhaps only because they refuse to be outdone by Teresa. Doesn’t seem like anyone’s heart is really into any of these business ventures. They just hope their ‘fame’ is enough to catapult their products with little help from them. Let’s see if caro’s book makes it to the bestseller list before we make any judgements. (Although my guess is she is two seasons too late..she’s a pariah these days. Then again, so is teresa, but she still makes the NYT list. So time will tell…)
Sarc I am saying Caroline doesn’t need to pick up the slack to pay bills. She can have fun and dabble here or there or lounge around like Jabba the Hut and cast aspersions. I believe they all could do tabloid covers and stories, they don’t need the money like desperate Teresa. If they never filmed another season of Jersey or any other city, I would not lose one wink sleep.
By the way, some of you are just as, if not more, judgmental than you claim Caroline to be.
Why did they just spend a week in a very arid part of the country and not have one bottle of BLK water in sight?
@labowner, of course we’re judgmental, that’s why we convene here at the ‘gasm!
But, I think Caroline’s inability to take ownership of her irrational hatred makes me like Teresa more. Caroline may have had a reason to dislike Teresa after the cookbook, but by taking on the mantle of being Kathy and Jackie’s crusader, she comes off as your run of the mill meddling old bitch (which, I’m assuming, was what Teresa was referencing with all of the ‘Caroline is 50′ commentary on WWHL). Caro’s objective was to drive Teresa out of the group (as she mentioned in her aside early in the episode), so not accepting her apology, refusing to acknowledge Teresa’s points, instigating her husband/children into a battle with Joe G and backup with Teresa, and faking a panic attack at the end was all too much for me as she smirked at all of the attention she was receiving.
Agreed, Derek.
@Lab, Caroline may not need to work for income proposes but bitch def needs a hobby! She doesn’t even have a storyline this season. So if she wasn’t talking about Teresa, she spying even get filmed. And sorry, she wouldn’t get a tabloid cover like Teresa. Jackie sold the story of her soma autism and only got a fraction of the cover. I see why they’re so mad. lol
spying = wouldn’t
Derek, maybe Caroline is auditioning to be an actress? I fell asleep watching. Occasional drama is fun, this is insanity. If I want to watch crap like this, I’ll hoof it to a dog park and have a front row seat.
Honestly since this season has been lets make it up as we go along or as the gossip gets out editing, I really have no clue what is going on in Jersey. It is all very irrational and hard to comprehend what lies behind all of this anger. We need a whole new cast or just dump Jersey all together as it has become a very dark cluster fuck. It’s getting so bad, soon Vegas will have odds on which Giudice kid will be pregnant first. Do we know if Gia is in therapy yet?
But Sarc we found out her hobby was her kids. At least, as far as we know, her spawn hasn’t created any new spawns yet so that is something she can hang her hat on.
I wish it was still entertainment. But it’s not. It’s gotten more like a Diary of a Real Abused Mad Wife documentary. That belongs more on Lifetime or Oprah or something.
It’d be 1 thing if they’d put an after show. Or at least run a PSA. To point out Teresa’s no different from a regular abused wife. That’s not famous. She says all the exact same things.
Except she doesn’t have the most popular excuses of $. Or making her family mad and or shamed. Her brother’s begged her to leave on tv. And let him take her and her babies in
Plus she’s the 1 making the $. Bankruptcy or not she’s still got more $ than 99% of abused women ever see in their lives. She hasn’t got to look to Juicy for a dime.
But they’re making it worse. Treating it like it’s just their regular entertainment. Without even running a help line number on the screen.
You have to wonder. How many women? That are already not thinking straight are going “Oh look. Even famous people talk to their wife like that.”
They need to either get Teresa and Juicy off of there. Or make it plain that it’s a sickness. And Treatment Pill #1 is grab your babies and bounce your ass out the door.
(sorry for making people scroll. But this has been making me mad for a while)
@39 Sarcasty– good point– Dina left and got her own show–Tre is the tabloid and “New York Times ” authoress (bestselling ya’all). Even Danielle Staub had a couple of reality shows– the restauant one and another one I think.
I think Tiny expected alot of success for herself and her “fambly”–her radio show is off the air I think, Lapband well….ya know, the Brownstone (and its sauce) and Albie and Critterfur are shilling water and now trying to establish an NJ base for Cali wine. I credit any success from that to Chris Laurita– I ‘d say the only reason he agreed to do the show was to help Tiny and Dina and have a smaller slice of the pie for himself and Jaxx.
Count me 100% in the Fancy/Polk8 camp. Caroline came off very badly last night and really has been super angry all season and shock of all shocks, she admitted it on WWHL and took responsibility and said she was ashamed of it. I’m not cutting Caroline any slack but if I heard Teresa once take responsibility for one thing she has done, I’d probably fall off the couch. She has justified or excused every single thing anyone has ever tried to call her out on. Her low IQ is not a good enough excuse, she’s got a very vindictive, petty nature and is so delusional about it, I honestly give credit to anyone who spends any decent amount of time with her. I watch an hour a week and find her intolerable.
“But Sarc we found out her hobby was her kids. At least, as far as we know, her spawn hasn’t created any new spawns yet so that is something she can hang her hat on.”
Um, so a woman’s adult children are her hobbies? Two of them don’t even live at home. What does she do, follow Lauren around all day calling her fat? Some hobby. Her husband doesn’t even live there. He comes home once a week she’s said and other than that, he stays at the Brownstone in an apt he has there. Bachelor lifestyle he is living. And it’s been widely reported that Al is a habitual cheater. I guess it’s okay for Caroline to look the other way but she can judge Teresa’s marriage? We’ve seen Teresa, in the face of adversity, get her hustle all the way on, and pull herself up by her bootstraps. Caroline? Talks a good game, but isn’t formally educated, probably never had a career outside of home, and hasn’t had to contribute to the household. No wonder she lets Albert run amok. Where would she be if he left? She lacks initiative and so do her kids. Bravo set up that radio “internship” for her to have a storyline. She said it lasted 6 mos and that was it. Did she try and parlay it into another gig? Nope.
And the whole BLK water thing is Chris Laurita’s. And it’s not their drink, he does PR and is promoting it on behalf on a client. He used to do this for many urban denim lines like Rocawear and such. His company made millions but it turns out he and his brothers/colleagues were dipping into the coffers and now they’re being sued. So Chris is trying something else to dig himself out of the hole. Buying the Giudice’s furniture? A bitch move to say in hindsight. One, their stuff never went to auction so it’s a moot point. It’s a humble brag that is also disloyal if you consider someone a friend. Plus, Chris is million dollars in debt himself! And just like Teresa, Jacki was named in the lawsuit and just like Juicy, Chris is pleading her ignorance on the matter.
And fyi, the Guidices didn’t file for bankruptcy. If you remember, they hadn’t recorded all of their income (Tre’s book, I believe) at the time the filed, so when the lawyers found out about their unclaimed (in the filing) income, the Giudices were told they would be hit with bankruptcy fraud if they didn’t withdraw. So, they withdrew the petition. Must be a reason why the still have their house(s), furniture, cars, etc. My guess is that those apartment bldgs and pizza shops that Joe owned were taken as a settlement. I reckon he owned a few other properties. Or he could’ve done like Alexis Bellino’s hubby…switch everything you owe to the name of a fictitious company that you own, then file bankruptcy on the company only and protect your personal assets. Scammers, the lot of them.
Back to Caroline, she needs to find something she loves and is passionate about. She’s one of these women who put their “everything” into their children and when the kids grow up and leave the nest, the moms don’t know what to do with themselves as they have no identity/life outside of their children. It’s a daunting task to branch out in ones 50′s but if Caroline wanted some semblance of her self esteem and self worth back, she’d do it in a heartbeat. All the anger and bravado in the world can’t mask the frustration and resentment and loneliness that is Caroline Manzo.
Girlllll. NO! The day I see Albert Manzo or Chris Laurita dig a financial hole for his family that his wife has to TRY to bail them out of, get caught trying to use his brother’s identity, get sued by MULTIPLE people for fraud, be a known slum lord that causes his tenants to be displaced because he’s using their rent to pay HIS bills & not the buildings’, or repeatedly curse at, yell at, or call their wives disrespectful names while talking to their side skank, is the day I’ll compare them to Juicy Joe. Until then, using their business hardships or rumored affairs to put them on par with that pig is a stretch to say the least.
@ 53 Sarcasty– NO WAY !!!! I didnt know that Al was a cheater !!!! I am taken aback– I find him so unattractive (he isnt alot older that I am) that I am gob-smacked at just who would find him well…bangable.
And about Tiny– spot on. Many women are MOMS–and there is nothing wrong with that–its an important, poorly paid job with round the clock hours. A problem comes when the kids are grown and out of the house and the Mom needs her new identity. If there are no grandkids in comes the new problem. She cannot reinvent herself as “Grandma”. Tiny never worked outside the home after marriage– it was marriage, wife of the Brownstone and mom. I am reminded of that awesome movie “Marty” when Aunt Katarina is being ousted by the new wife and mother Virginia– no reason why she cannot cook for her own baby and husband. But Aunt Kat doesnt accept that her role is over and time to step away and let this new family be. Clara says and rightly “A mother shouldn’t look to her children for her rewards in life” referring of course to adult children being responsible for their parents continued happiness.
Sarc after reading Karen’s book (Mob Wives) it explained a lot of her behavior and I am wondering if Caroline is not repeating what she learned at home. Difference is her stay at home mom had 11 kids and Caroline has only three. She does need a hobby. Maybe she can train her dogs to attack Teresa.
Remember when Jac had to sign the paperwork for Ashlee’s car? Was that because Ashlee is technically Jac’s spawn or was Chris having financial problems then?
Shit is getting real on this thread! Carry on everyone!
I will cosign for Sarcas on almost everything in her post…Al and his brother/partner/Dina’s husband are known cheaters. Al Sr. was almost brought up on RICO charges…cheating, fraud, etc. Sure he doesn’t call her names on TV you buy her a jaguar to get her to STFU. so he’s a little more Tony Soprano than Juicy is… She’s JUST AS DELUSIONAL as Tre. Maybe not exactly the same brand of delusional but delusional she is. The both probabaly file married living sperately taxes too with that BS Brownstone story… http://www.irs.gov Gasmii PUB. 590
Chris put his bankrupt businesses, like Rocawear in Jacki’s name so he could clear his Tax ID or SSN for a new business and since Jac is a housewife she won’t need to use her SSN as often of file for a tax ID number. He’s just as corrupt. Look, IMO just b/c you don’t swear and call your wife names on TV or IRL doesn’t mean you’re not your own very special brand of scumbag thug. You might think you’re a classier one than Juicy Joe but, a thug is a thug is a thug.
And I don’t care what she said on WWWHL, it’s her MO to have known that Tre would never cop to her wrong doings. That’s where Caro’s smugness gets the best of her. She thinks she comes out smelling like roses b/c she admits to being a bitch where Tre wants to maitain the fascade or is in denial. Caroline is in denial too the are just both in different dinghys.
(end rant)
If I remember correctly, Al was kicked off some kind of city water board because he used a fraudulant address, causing him to lose the free health insurance the board position afforded him.
http://absurdtosublime.net/2011/03/17/al-and-caroline-never-mentioned-als-real-job/
Jac did sign for the Jeep that was supposed to be purchased by Chris. If I remember correctly, everyone was questioning why she was the one signing for the car instead of Chris. Here is a link about their bankruptcy.
http://starcasm.net/archives/162185
I’m sorry but I still didn’t see anything in your evidence that proves Albert & Chris are ‘thugs’. Struggling in business ventures does not a ‘scumbag thug’ make. And say what you will, but BOTH of those men have showed more respect for their wives AND Joe’s than Joe shows any woman he’s come in contact with.
In what world can Albert Manzo & Chris Laurita be compared with Joe Guidice? My neighbor’s rabid dog has more respect for cats than Joe has for any one. That’s reaching at it’s finest. But I guess you have to make excuses for Teresa anyway you can.
Yes Teresa lied, but come on she’s not bright
Yes Teresa is a manipulator but only because people make her
Yes Teresa & her husband are scammers but radar on line says Chris is too
Yes Joe is a slum lord but Albert has an apartment over the brownstone & tmz is reporting that he has a girlfriend so that makes it a ‘KNOWN FACT’ that he’s a cheater
Give me a break
Chris Laurita being sued is a KNOWN FACT.
Jacqui being names in the suit is a KNOWN FACT.
Chris being accused of stealing money from clients to fund his lifestyle is a KNOWN FACT.
Al and Tommy only coming home once a week (or less) is a KNOWN FACT. (by both Caro and Dina)
Al losing his position as commissioner of water board due to “fraud” is a KNOWN FACT.
Al saying publicly he didn’t commit fraud by lying about his address because he lives in Paterson and his wife in Franklin Lakes is a KNOWN FACT.
(The irony is he was probably telling the truth. They’re probably lived apart for years. He only comes by to pick up his mail.)
And I don’t care what you say, a man who chooses to live at his banquet hall, rather than drive 15 miles to his WIFE, is most definitely having an affair.
Oh well that settles it! Because EVERYTHING printed on those gossip sites are KNOWN FACTS! Especially stargasm! And everything those ‘reliable, inside sources’ say are GOSPEL!
No one said, well at least I know for sure I didn’t say, that Chris being sued isn’t true, or that Al losing his post is untrue. What I DID say is that those facts don’t make them ‘scumbag thugs’ or even on par with the likes of Joe Guidice. It’s really interesting how it’s no longer JUST Teresa excusing his behavior by blowing it off, saying it’s no big deal, or pointing the fingers at others to deflect the shitty shit she & her husband does. Well, not interesting so much as ridiculous. Because being a slum lord (which is the ROOT of the hate I feel for the Guidice & anyone that doesn’t know about that KNOWN FACT should do a little research because that shit was downright disgusting & there is no way they will ever be able to excuse that shit away), a verbally abusive cheater that calls you names to his side skank and to your FACE on national television while ignoring his children and encouraging them to beat the shit out of each other is COMPLETELY the same or WORSE than having failing business ventures like a lot of other people in the world. BTW a marriage consists of TWO people trying to make it together in this world, so IF Chris did have to revert to his wife’s credit to help him out, that’s not ok because why? BUT when Teresa does it, it’s ok. Yeah. Completely rational! BUT to each it’s own.
BTW? Albert cheating on Caro? I would call him a fucking asshole if he didn’t because he probably can’t stand her ass either! LOL Who can? All the ‘success’ she brags about is minimal @ best & delusional at worst. She is the lowest type of know it all that needs to have her ass handed to her. So I’ll even set somebody up with Albie if he doesn’t already have a side piece because even he deserves better than that hag. So hopefully that KNOWN FACT is a FACT!
And imo, any woman that sits around with her head up her ass as long as the money is coming in, not asking questions, getting involved in her family’s finaces, or making SURE the bills are being paid & that they’re not over extending themselves to keep up with the ‘Joneses’ deserve every bankruptcy filing, repossession, & lawsuits she gets. Jackie needs to get her ass out of ‘Chris said it’s fine’ land before even she won’t be able to sign for her ugly ass daughter a car, because for all her dumb ass faults, I do believe Teresa has been permanently shaken out of her ‘I didn’t know’ shit stupor. Which, I STILL believe she was aware of because…how could you not? But since she’s mentally challenged & Joe’s an asshole, I guess she deserves the benefit of the doubt, right?
Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh – what if Al is gay? Caroline makes the perfect cover for a wife no? As long as the bills are taken care of, she is happy. He does have good taste in presents….. Or he is a huge alcoholic and doesn’t want to drive drunk.
Al reminds me of a waiter – everyone have what they need? Good, I’ll be over here in the corner, call me if you need me.
There are a ton of women who look the other way as long as life is good at home. Dina and Caroline are not alone in that part of life.
But LAB! He’s a KNOWN CHEATER that doesn’t live at home! That trumps any thing that piece of shit Joe has EVER done, so Teresa’s behavior is COMPLETELY understandable! It’s Albert & Chris’ fault by not embarrassing their wives on national television while lying to them about being bankrupt, THEY make Joe LOOK bad but they’re just as bad as him!
I seriously don’t get it & it’s the reason I chose not to comment on these caps anymore because I just don’t understand the logic. Next I’ll be called irate for not understanding the thought process of taking up for Teresa and vehemently denying her any sympathy. But….whatcanyoudo? I cannot restrain my hatred for the idiot any longer! lol
Plus? If I can’t voice my disdain with my peeps here at the GASM what hope is there for the future? I can always disagree with my Gasmi family & they’ll still love me as much as I love them because THAT’S WHAT FAMBLY DO! We are as stick as stieves!
I’m not sure you ever restrained your hatred for Teresa, fancyface. Which of fine. What I DON’T understand is why you get so frustrated when people don’t share your point of view. It isn’t your job to convince us. Some will see it your way, some won’t. *shrugs*
After all is said and done, I still enjoy Teresa on TV more than I do Caroline. I still see why she has had more opportunities outside of the show than Caroline. I can still see why this would make Caroline mad.
1/16th Italian taught us the ham game while Teresa and Joe took us through the hills of Italy to meet their family. That Olive Garden comment was polite. *chuckles*
@Sac…When I say ‘restrained’ I meant not posting as much as I use to. When I actually DO post, I definitely don’t hold back on my opinion of her or anyone else I comment on because I’ve tried & seen a doctor for it, but I still can’t keep my pesky opinions to myself.
“What I DON’T understand is why you get so frustrated when people don’t share your point of view” <—This is the MAIN reason why I don't frequent this board as much as I use to, because no matter how many times I ask people not to take my comments as anything more than expression of disdain of reality tv folks and not think they're the ravings of some 'frustrated' person that MUST BE AGREED WITH, I'm still being accused of being upset over something that I could really give 2 shits about when it really comes down to it. Unless it's a racial issue or something that I feel passionate about personally, I NEVER get upset with differing opinions because I am aware that mine is not the only one that counts nor am I always right. Most of the time when I cap a word it's out of amusement or a play on something someone else posted. Not because I'm SHOUTING out of anger or upset. But I still get accused of being 'frustrated' or what have you with my fellow commenters when that is not the case. You can't read tone, true, but I would think by now most people know the nature of my posts and not be personally offended by them, but alas, once again, tis not the case.
I still HATE TERESA, I wish Caro would DIE IN A FIRE, Joe Guidice should be KILLED, & the Gasm still ROCKS
Well, I’m personally not offended, Fancy, it’s just an observation I’ve made. Of course, it could be wrong, because as you said, “tone can’t be established in print. But people still attempt to establish a certain tone by using certain methods; caps when they are yelling, exclamation points to show they are excited. The combination of two, while not your intention, reads as frantic and possessed. LOL Even ‘disdain’ sounds too coolly detached, some of your Teresa posts read like “ohmygodifIevergetmyhandsaroundthatbitchesthroatmyfingerswilllocklikeApitbullsjaw!
I also refrain from “Tre is still my NJ fav” because if I post anything in Teresa’s defense then I am asked to explain myself, my POV is called illogical, and frankly I don’t always want a discourse when people have already staunchly picked their sides. I’m not on Tre’s side btw, just like I know you aren’t on Caroline’s. But sometimes people wanna post that they feel bad for Tre and her marriage without being told why Tre doesn’t DESERVE COMPASSION EVER!
IN CAPS AND EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!
Now you know I enjoy reading you, fancyface, and I crack up at a lot of your posts. I just think it’s easier on your blood pressure (and the caps lock) if you don’t address every Tre sympathizer out there. We’re like whack a moles..knock one down and another pops up behind you. Boo!
Now can we get together and pitch a VH1 show to find Big Al a mistress? She’s gotta be tiny!
@fancyface
I enjoyed your post.
Having wild flashbacks of old housewives comments….where’s @ClassyDrunk? She lives for this stuff! Hey, if we get to 100, can we do the OG 100 marker ‘I hate Teresa’?
I prefer PROSTITUTION WHHOORRE. But, “I Hate Teresa” is pretty good too
Caroline drives me to drink. Someone intervene!
“Caroline drives me to drink. Someone intervene!”
Are you proud of yourself? pfft.
@Libithina…I have my eye on the thread. I am not sure I have given a good I hate Teresa in a long time. I’m ready!
Joe Guidice.
Marry, he’ll be away in prison for most of the marriage because I would testify to send him there.
Joe Gorga.
Fuck, it would have to be a three way with Tom Hardy. I’d let Joe watch.
Richie Wakile.
Kill kill kill KILL!
Love it, sheesh!
I actually prefer the term “soapy” instead of “side” chick but that’s me.
@labowner, LOLz awesome theory butm doesn’t Caro shaver her beard every day ;-D
Someone is completely losing their shit over this show and I am getting worried for their well being.
@Sac…”“ohmygodifIevergetmyhandsaroundthatbitchesthroatmyfingerswilllocklikeApitbullsjaw!”<–Ok now you're just quoting me directly! I can't deny it any longer lol. What should the name of our hook Albert up reality show because that man DESERVES a side piece. "Hunt 4 Albert A Little Strange That Needs Some Change?" Idk..we'll work on the title lol.
@Sheesh…I'm all over your Marry, Fuck, Kill choices
Marry…Joey Gorga because he'd probably be ok with me banging hotter guys as long as I let him tape it.
Fuck…Chris Laurita because he probably takes all of his hidden aggression out in the bedroom & Fancy loves her some angry sex!
Kill..(DUH) Joe Guidice because although I hate people, I do like to be a contributing member of society every now and then & I would be doing society a HUGE favor by wiping that pig off the face of the earth. Plus his secret hatred of Joe would make Chris bang me harder out of appreciation
@gypsy
It will forever be “soapy chick”.
yes..yes it will.
LOL!
*but *shave URGH!
Looked up last night while walking the dog and said hmmm this explains the Gasmii threads these past few days. Full moon fever around here.
Forgot Caroline shaves her face every day. Maybe Al doesn’t like “bears”.
Fuck – Chris Laurita
Kill – Joe Giudice – need I explain
Marry – Al Manzo – he’s never around and the bills get paid, so I can have my own side strange.
Ok:
F-Corte
M-Vito- I want to be rolling in meats and cheeses for a lifetime…no cooking!
K-Gorga…..the sexed up feet smelling Tarzan act makes me ill.
Okay..
F- Critterfer (He looks very unself-conscious. Those people make the best lovers.)
M- Big Gay Greg (I secretly want a gay husband so we never have to worry about a waning sex life. Just stay together for the love and companionship and keep a soapy dish on the side. )
K- Joe Gorga – That little gopher pawing at me all day will definitely make an episode of Snapped!
“Help! Al’s Brownstones are blue!”
Tentative title for now.. toss your suggestions into the mix.
Sarc some brain bleach please. Yuck – wonder how low they go.
“Big Al Needs A Soapy Pal!”
Oh. My. Gaww Sac! BRILL lolllllll