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Thursday, December 7, 2006
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At long last: a good episode of The Real World: Denver! Granted, everyone galavanted around like idiots and there really was no rhyme or reason to, well, any of it, but hey, there was some genuine suspense as a nonsensical argument escalated to potentially violent levels and then, inevitably, entered the sphere of overt racism. That’s the good stuff!This week’s episode started off on a promising note. Everyone was going out to Monark, which apparently is a local Denver bar that specializes in attracting sluts and ho’s (hence, the cast’s eagerness is going). As he ironed a shirt for the night’s big activities, Tyrie told Davis about his alter egos — or as I call them, “Red Flags.” Apparently Tyrie has three distinct personality. There’s Tyrie — the man we know and love. Then there’s Dark Kent, who I guess is Tyrie’s dorky side, but most importantly, there’s Leroy Jenkins — the Hulk to Tyrie’s Bruce Banner. Or, as he euphemistically put it, “My intensity side.” As we later saw, this was the understatement of the evening. Anyway, he went on to add, “Hopefully, Leroy Jenkins won’t make an appearance this whole time.” Yeah, um, don’t count on it. We all saw the previews…
While Tyrie did his best to suppress his “intensity side,” the rest of the roommates got in touch with their “drunken idiot sides.” Everyone — including some random people in the background — all partook in some tasty libations, and then everyone headed to Monark. And that meant one thing: time for Stephen to rock his idiot sunglasses at night. A Corey Hart for a new generation.
Well, it looked like it would just be a typical night out — Brooke’s feet were killing her, girls were doing shots, and Jenn looked about ready to hump anything with a pulse (and/or batteries). Feeling entirely too wasted to continue, Davis decided to leave Monark (I know what you’re thinking — no one leaves Monark!!) and head home and call his boyfriend PJ. Surely nothing could go wrong now!
After watching Davis hop the fence to his house, we then headed back to the bar where Colie seemed to be semi-crying outside. She just wanted to go home, she said. We didn’t know why she was crying — probably the vicious reality that she’s something of a slut hit her all at once — but what really was important was that Stephen of all people was ranting and raving about something. Turns out that some guy in the bar had called him the n-word. Who knew that Michael Richards hung out in Denver bars? Rimshot!
Sensing that this could turn into an ugly situation, the girls wisely decided to simply take the understandably riled up Stephen home. Jenn did her best to mollify the situation by saying, “Let’s go home to the privacy of our own selves and talk amongst our friends because we’re all cool people.” The “cool” part seemed quite dubious, and I wasn’t sure how talking to friend qualified as hanging out in “the privacy of our own selves.” I think this may have been Jenn’s ploy to somehow get into bed with Stephen. Nevertheless, as they all walked home, for whatever reason, Stephen then began spouting off about how he was angry at Davis for leaving early. SHAME ON HIM!!! Davis will leave a bar when Stephen says he’s damn well ready!
Meanwhile, back at the house, Davis was on the phone with his dearest PJ, saying that he got a whole lot drunker than he had expected. This led to some disapproving complaints from PJ (gotta love the boyfriends and girlfriends whose only role is to groan at everything that goes on in the Real World house). Well, despite his boyfriend’s crabbiness, Davis said, “I want to be with you for the rest of my life. I want to marry you.” Aww. So touching. Little did Davis know that his night was about to be turned upside down.
And now, ladies and gentlemen, let the idiocy commence.
The remaining roomies soon returned to the house, and Stephen was still furious; so Tyrie did what any good friend would do: he tried to bring Stephen down. Unfortunately, the more steam Stephen let out, the more it seemed to simply transfer onto Tyrie (memo to Tyrie: never become a therapist. Ever). Well, once again, Stephen continued to express anger about Davis leaving the bar early, saying, “I think it’s unfair for somebody to just leave!” Dude, seriously. I know you’re young and kind of dumb, but people can actually leave bars whenever they want. The buddy system isn’t a way of life.
Well, this whole Davis-leaving-the-bar-early mess was the straw that broke the camel’s back — or at least Leroy Jenkin’s protective bonds. Tyrie stomped over to Davis, who was now enjoying a hot tub with the girls (always smart when you’re wasted), and told him to get out of the tub. When Davis registered confusion, Tyrie asked again. And again. And then he took his shirt off. Did he want to rape him or something? What was going on?
“GET OUT OF THE FUCKING TUB!!!” Tyrie yelled, showing little patience for tub dawdling. Eventually, Davis realized he had a huge angry black man yelling at him and that it might be a good idea to, you know, GET OUT OF THE FUCKING TUB!!! At this point, Tyrie filled in some of the blanks for us as we learned that the reason why Stephen was so mad was because during the whole n-word debacle at the bar, he thought Davis had bolted to avoid a fight or confrontation or whatever. Basically, Stephen didn’t think that Davis had his back, and now Tyrie was all bent out of shape because of it. Where was Stephen during this brewing storm? Oh you know. NOWHERE.
Well, Davis told Tyrie that he came home to call his boyfriend, but unfortunately for Tyrie, Leroy Jenkins was now controlling his body, and he seemed unable to process this information. Instead, Tyrie kept saying, er, yelling, “I AM ASKING YOU IF YOU LEFT HIM!!!!” So what??? He left to use the phone! Now this is where Davis could have completely diffused the situation by saying “Yes” and then explaining the phone thing again, but instead, he took the “You are a drunken idiot” baton from Tyrie and decided to exasperate the situation by smirking in his face. As you can imagine, Leroy Jenkins did not like this one bit.
“I bet if I call him the n-word, he’d think that’s hilarious.”
The two guys got in each other’s faces while everyone watched from the tub, and then finally, a lightbulb went off in Colie’s head that maybe someone should step in. She bravely intervened, but at this point, it was too late. Tyrie punched a wall (the wall CLEARLY left Stephen too) and then called Davis an “LFO wannabe fake ass N*SYNC punk ass Backstreet Boy looking bitch!” Or something like that. I gotta say, I was pretty impressed with the LFO reference, but what about BBMak? O-Town? 98 Degrees???
Well, you call Davis a boy bander, and you might as well be hurling the n-word! He will not be associated with the likes of Nick Lachey and Kevin Richardson and those kids from 5ive! Davis screamed that he wanted Tyrie out of the house, and this then led to both guys daring each other to hit each other (because as we all know, if you punch someone on The Real World, you’re out of the house).
“Do NOT put your hand in my face! Oh wait, that’s my hand in your face. My bad.”
So would this extremely idiotic argument come to blows? Well, before we found out, we had a commercial break, which gave us time to sit back and think about how dumb this whole fight was in the first place. Tyrie had gotten mad about something that wasn’t even his beef to have, and the beef itself was based on a major misunderstanding. But where Tyrie was burning coals, Davis was like a giant bellow, threatening to whip up an uncontrollable blaze in the house. Okay, I’ll stop with the metaphors. Point of the story: they’re both idiots. (And Stephen too for just hanging back while a shitstorm brewed around his yapping).
Well, I guess now would be as good a time as any for some man-on-man action.
After the break, the guys separated. Colie dragged Tyrie away and tried to calm him down, and for a moment, it looked like it might just work. “I don’t start mess with anybody,” Tyrie said, clearly forgetting ten minutes prior when he, you know, started a mess with Davis. Unfortunately, the progress Colie had made with Tyrie’s temper all went out the window as a drunken, angry Davis suddenly reappeared and dared Tyrie again to hit him. Something tells me he wouldn’t be so liberal with the whole “Hit me!” solicitations if there weren’t a rule against punching. I’m pretty sure nobody has ever volunteered to be the punching bag for Tyrie.
Well, Tyrie yelled back at Davis, and when Tyrie’s mad, I’ll just say he is a very scary yeller. Emerging from probably a quickie with Jenn, Alex tried his hand at talking Tyrie down, saying, “He’s drunk.” But all this did was cause Tyrie to bellow, “I’M DRUNK TOO!!!” Well! Then by all means, carry on!
Is this a bad time to mention Tyrie kind of looks like Ladanian Tomlinson? Just a little?
At this point, Stephen reemerged into the fray, trying to act like the mediator all of a sudden. Davis asked him what the hell was going on, and Stephen replied, “I was upset. I felt like I was by myself.” You were upset? But now everything’s fine? Hey asshole — if you were over it so quickly, maybe you should have spoken up, rather than let Tyrie bark up a mess in the backyard.
Anyway, Davis told Stephen that he totally would have been by Stephen’s side if he had heard that word, to which Stephen replied, “I know that.” What!?!? Then why the hell were you bitching so much? These people are making me lose faith in humanity.
Well, if Stephen were half the mediator he probably thought he was, he would have explained to Tyrie that everything was fine and that this was all a misunderstanding and blah blah blah. I guess he tried to a certain extent, but he also defended Tyrie, saying, “He’s protecting the sovereignty of this house.” Huh? And what “sovereignty” is that? Newsflash for future Real Worlders: you’re reality stars. The concept of “sovereignty” will never apply to you.
“We must protect this house!!!”
Anyway, Stephen then tried to calm that greatest defender of house sovereignty, Tyrie, but this just resulted in more yelling and tempers flaring. Tyrie and Colie then went outside where again, it seemed like this mighty beast might finally calm down. “All he had to do was talk to me straight,” Tyrie said, unwitting causing snickers all around (because Davis is gay! And he wants him to talk straight! Straight! Gay! Oh, I kill me).
In a surprise move, Colie decides to randomly frisk Tyrie, later revealing that she’s lead detective from the Idiot Police.
Anyway, I guess I could kind of empathize with Tyrie’s frustration, but at the same time, Davis had talked straight to him (giggles), and Tyrie had chosen not to listen. Then again, Davis did act evasive with the whole “Did you leave Stephen?” question. Oh, I don’t know. It was all ridiculous.
Tyrie takes a break from the argument to star in a low-budget indie that will soon take Sundance by storm.
Well, just like last time, Davis immediately exacerbated a cooling situation by again getting right in Tyrie’s face (as in inches) and crying and yelling and asking to be punched. Honestly, at this point he deserved it. Tyrie may have started this lunacy, but Davis was all too happy to keep stirring the pot. Somebody please clock him in the face.
We knew things were bad when suddenly “Real World Producer Jim” got involved. Davis bawled to him, “I don’t want to live with somebody who’s gonna hit me!” Hey idiot, the only reason he was going to hit you was because you’ve asked for it repeatedly. Luckily, Jim said quite matter-of-factly: “You understand you are out of control right now.” To which Davis replied with a perplexed look, one that seemed to say, “Huh? What is this ‘out of control’ concept that you speak of? I am unfamiliar. Does that mean I’m hungry? Because I’m not.”
Well, just when things couldn’t be any worse, Davis announced that he was going home, kicked off the show. “I’m going home, everybody!” he yelled as he got on the phone to call his mom. “Nice to meet you! I’m going home tomorrow because some nigger wants to kill me!”
Needle scratch!
Awwwkward.
Davis will be playing at the Laugh Factory this Friday and
Saturday night. Call for tickets. No camera phones allowed.
Cut to Michael Richards cheering in Los Angeles. By the way, I’m sure that as soon as this line aired, Gloria Allred was already arranging a conference call with Tyrie and Stephen.
Anyway, as you can imagine, this fight went from awful in a dumb way to awful in a despicable, ugly way. This was bad. This was very bad. Even poor Brooke looked totally shocked. You wanted a gay roommate? WELL CONGRATULATIONS!
Note MTV’s not so subtle message. Translation: “Seriously, don’t wind up like these morons.”
Well, Stephen and Tyrie went absolutely nuts — rightfully so — and poor Jimbo the producer looked like he was way in over his gourd. He pulled Davis away from the others and ordered (or actually, politely asked) him to pack some clothes for a night in a hotel.
“Do you think I’m legitimately wrong tonight?” Davis asked, somehow overlooking his not-so-friendly deployment of the n-bomb. But then again, was he really wrong about the way the fight began? No. Yes. No. I don’t know. They all were wrong. I feel safe in saying that.
The next morning, things were kind of — how do you say — awkward and strained at the house. Tyrie told us he simply could not believe Davis had used a racial slur, and Brooke noted, “Everyone knows. You use that word, you use the n-word… you just can’t do that!” Cut to Michael Richards scratching his head and pondering, “But then how do I address black people? This makes no sense.”
Well, Davis returned humbly to the house where Jenn gave him a big hug and excitedly chirped that now they could have a discussion. Yay! Awkwardness!
First things first, Davis marched right up to Tyrie and apologized for the way he had acted, and in response, Tyrie said, “Yeah…..” I really couldn’t blame him, but I sure wish Davis hadn’t been such a racist idiot the night before because honestly, Tyrie wasn’t totally innocent in all this also.
Anyway, Davis announced that he was gonna go home because he was entirely too embarrassed about his behavior. He also said that he had a drinking problem (just a tad) and that the previous night was like a nightmare come to life. Ever the politician, Stephen said that he had forgiven Davis, on account of him being “an quick forgive” (and a quick idiot). Tyrie, however, said that he didn’t care if Davis left.
But!
“If you do stay, we can probably I think we can work everything out,” Tyrie said. Awww! Glimmer of hope!
Later that day, Davis and Stephen walked around the city, and Stephen told us how he wanted to teach Davis about black culture. After all, as Stephen reminded us again, “I’m a quick forgive.” Seriously. Stop saying that. It’s driving me nuts. And no, I am not a quick forgive about that.
Well, realizing that going home meant less attention could be doted on him, Davis was now rethinking this whole “leaving” thing. What would he do? Stay or go?
Tyrie then informed us that he was really impressed with Davis’s acknowledgment of a drinking problem. “I’m an asshole, but I’m not a dick,” Tyrie told us before he sat down with Davis and said, “All that anger is gone.” Yeah, I’m not sure Leroy Jenkins is gone. Maybe he’s off taking a shit or something. I think he’ll be back.
Nevertheless, the two settled their beef amicably, and Tyrie sealed the deal by saying, “I want you to stay.” Awww. Resolution! Hugs all around! It’s a beautiful world after all! Yay!
What did you think about this episode? Who was right? Who was wrong? Should Davis have gone home?
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I don’t think that everyone who uses the n-word is a racist. When you get into a fight with someone, you don’t think clearly, and you want to hit them where it hurts, and that is definitely a hurtful word.
If Davis hadn’t used that racial slur, Tyrie would have rightfully looked like the bigger asshole. Stephen started the mess, and Davis didn’t do much to diffuse it, but I think Tyrie was the biggest idiot of them all.
I’m glad Davis didn’t leave. Did this remind anyone else of the altercation between Abram and Donell on RR-South Pacific?
Davis was a total jerk in the situation True…
But, why didn’t anyone say anything to Tyrie when he started freaking out and yelling at Davis to get out of the hot tub? WTF? All Davis did was go home early. Everyone just sat there as he screamed at him for no good reason. Yeah Stephen was a “quick forgive” because he caused all the problems in the first place.
They are all stupid!
Good recap B-Side and so fast too!
This episode was just an example of people reacting badly to a situation when they are drunk. Although Tyrie started it, Davis just kept fueling the fire by getting back in Tyrie’s face when he tried to walk away. Stephen could have stopped the whole thing by explaining what happened anyways. And it also seems like maybe something else happened but they edited out some stuff.
The whole episode i was just thinking “Now people will think Tyrie’s the “angry black dude”…, but at least he didnt hit Davis.
The part that was dumb to me was the end. Maybe its just me but i wouldnt be able to forget what happened and be friends the very next day.
I hope Davis does get help to control his drinking cuz i dont care how drunk you are, you shouldnt use the n-word.
This episode reminded me of a drunken, violent episode of Three’s Company-complete with racial slurs of course! You know the story there is some sort of misunderstanding and Janet and Chrissy are mad at Jack, they let you be annoyed for a bit knowing what actually happened, but in the last 3 minutes of the show everything is clear and resolved and works out fine:-except in this case Tyrie and Stephen are Janet and Chrissy and Davis is Jack.
I was so frustrated watching this wondering the whole time-Why didn’t Jen step in and say Davis told her he was going way before the whole issue with Stephen and the bouncer took place. Lets not blame Tyrie or Davis-except for his use of the n-word. In my eyes this whole fight could have been prevented by Jen. And once again with the alter-egos! Does everyone have names for parts of their personality? Should I be thinking of one, maybe I”m out of the loop.
B-Side, thanks for clearing up (kind of) what started this fight in the first place. Although, I’m still trying to decide why it was all Davis’ fault.
Colie continues to annoy the ever livin’ crap out of me.
(And also, I thought I was the only one who remembered BBMak…ah, memories.)
“We must protect this house!!!”
Brilliant as always, B-Side.
I have a quick question when Tyrie was making his second escape into the kitchen did anyone else notice some random guy like steal (or quickly grab) something out of the fridge ? Possibly someone from production? I saw that and I was laughing for a good 5 minutes while this whole nonsensical fight was happening.
Just goes to show enough alcohol can make the largest mountain out of the smallest molehills.
Near violence and angry outbursts just because a guy who knew he was too drunk to stay at the bar left? Come on, people.
But it makes for amusing TV.
drama drama drama. i knew davis wasn’t going to go back home. what a puss! the michael richards references were too funny. i must mention that during the confrontation between tyrie and davis, i couldn’t help but notice colie and brooke STILL in the hot tub…were they laughing?!
anyway, as always the recap was better than the actual show.
Awesome episode. Ha, the gay guy’s a racist and one of the black guys is homophobic. MTV did their homework for this season.
Calling a black person a nigger because you’re angry is not an excuse. As a black woman, I think that when people use that word they know the history behind it, so they know that they are insulting you in the worst way possible. It doesn’t help that Davis is from Alabama and probably heard that word many times growing up. Let me help y’all out: WHITE PEOPLE, DON’T USE THE N-WORD! EVEN IF YOUR BLACK FRIENDS MAKE YOU THINK ITS OKAY. THEY ARE IDIOTS. IF I’M AROUND AND I HEAR YOU SAY IT, I’M GOING TO KICK YOUR ASS! THERE ARE MANY OTHERS LIKE ME, SO JUST DON’T SAY IT. NOT IN ANGER, NOT AS A JOKE, NOT IF YOU’RE GIVEN A PASS BY A BLACK PERSON, JUST DON’T SAY IT. Face it, we can say it and y’all can’t. Just think of it as reparations. We deserve ownership of the word. Our ancestors were strung up in trees, raped, beaten, enslaved, and degraded in every way possible. The least you can do is let us have the word and accept that you can’t say it. Thank you, now I can go back to being cheeky jasminetheawesome.
It kind of pissed me off that the whole time this was going down, Stephen was nowhere to be found. It’s not like Tyrie was being quiet about it and it’s not like gossip doesn’t spread like fire through the house, so what the hell was he doing?
“And it also seems like maybe something else happened but they edited out some stuff.”
I totally agree luvly_grrl. The episode was kind of fishy, I came in two minutes late and was confused for half the episode because everything seemed weird and edited together.
I think Davis using the n-word was definite retaliation against Tyrie for what he felt were homophobic remarks. The whole LFO-NSync-BSB-wannabe comment felt more geared towards Davis’ homosexuality than anything else. (As a sidenote, was I the only one that died laughing the second Tyrie started on that? I know it was meant to hurt, but it was just too hilarious to me.) Like BonaFide said, I think Davis was trying to hit him where it hurts, and he figured if he can say shit about him being gay he can say shit about him being black.
Ok so did anyone else notice that they were wearing the clothes they wore out the night that Jen and Alex hooked up? Good to know that they still wanted to stay up and party after such a crazy night.
Tyrie, Davis, Jen and Stephen were all wrong. Jen and Stephen could have broke up the fight long before by Jen just telling Stephen why Davis left, and Stephen not going on and on about it in front of Tyrie. These people are all idiots.
Oh and one more thing I noticed…when Davis said he had a drinking problem, did anyone else catch how Alex said “I think he just needs to go out more and get used to being in the bars” Uh wrong thing for someone with a drinking problem to do you idiot!
Here’s my take on all of this. These people at this point know literally nothing about eachother and they have no personal history. When Tyrie insults Davis, he insults him strictly based on his appearance. Davis, though in the wrong here, is using the “n” word because he doesn’t even know Tyrie. Davis had no other ammunition, so he’s going to use the best he has at his disposal. As someone else said, when you’re really battling it out with someone, you’re going to use whatever you have to get the last and best word in.
Finally, when you’ve finished a drunken night of fighting, you tend to be a “quick forgive”. 9 times out of 10 you’re acting out on the liquid courage. You get on that adrenaline bus and it’s hard to jump off. In an odd way, fighting like that is a high – especially when you’re drunk- and that’s why Davis kept pushing the envelope with Tyrie.
Hey Jasmine… I agree with almost everything you said. First off, I would NEVER EVER use the n-word no matter what, but I just have to ask… Why would the black community want to keep such a historically oppressive and viciously insulting word alive by using it on each other ? In a sense, if you’re saying the word deserves to exist because you want to make generations to come aware of the history behind that word then you’re the ones who are being racist. Perpetuating bitterness and hate about something that happened long before I was born and I didn’t have a say in shouldn’t affect the way I treat people or the way they treat me. Bottom line, no one should use the word. It should be deleted from everyone’s vocabulary. It’s a disgusting word and the only purpose it has is to degrade people.
I think the LFO, *Nsync thing was about his appearance, not sexuality. Anyway, Davis is racist. I would loved to hear his mother’s response to his use of the word nigger. She was probably like, “that’s right baby, “f” those niggers and get a rope”. AHHHH! Racist people make me crazy!
WOW! this was an episode chock full of idiocy for the books! i couldnt believe this was all going on, and all because of stephen.
still one good laugh i had was the morning after stephen when explaining he’s an “easy forgive because i know davis is from the south and a little bit racist.”
ha. the way he just non-chalantly glossed over that!
You have to give Tyrie some props for walking away 3 times! Especially after Davis was up in his face screaming and begging for Tyrie to hit him.
Alex = one of the biggest dumbasses I’ve ever seen
I sorta went back over the second part of the episode with my Tivo because it was really confusing (AKA edited). Why Stephen and Jenn disappeared for 15 minutes… we’ll never know. If it was edited, it sure wouldn’t be the first time. Everyone remembers the missing half of the RW-San Diego season.
CatHenry, I’m having a hard time giving any of these nimrods “props” for this idiotic almost-melee. I think Tyrie kept walking away because he realized Leroy Jenkins had met his match in terms of sheer lunacy, and deep down he didn’t want to fight (and get kicked off the show).
This was one of the funniest/dumbest eps in RW history, and will no doubt become a “classic” (using that term VERY loosely). But like any good train wreck, I’ll keep watching…..
To me, it didn’t seem as if Tyrie was attacking Davis’ appearance with the boy band comments… because those comments were coupled with the term “punk.” This was a definite attack on Davis’ sexual preference and therefore, Davis attacked simply on the basis of race. It was more of a defense mechanism for Davis to protect himself than anything else, although there is no justification for race-baiting or sexuality-baiting….
Jen and Stephen should have ended it, once the mix-up had been revealed. Point blank.
As a side note, did anyone else notice that PJ seemed rather bored by Davis when they were talking on the phone? I am looking forward to the eventual destruction of their relationship if/when PJ decides to visit.
“I would loved to hear his mother’s response to his use of the word nigger. She was probably like, “that’s right baby, “f” those niggers and get a rope”. AHHHH! Racist people make me crazy!”-Jasmine
Why, because she is a white Christian woman from the south? That makes you think she wants to hang n*****s with a rope?! Racism makes you crazy but all other stereotypes are ok?
I think Tyrie was calling Davis “punk” because he believed he punked-out on helping Stephen. I’ll admit that Stephen is a douche and a total waste of space, but I’m not going to give Davis an out on this. He out right called dude a nigger! A NIGGER in 2006! Tyrie should have manned up and kick his ass.
Davis is from Georgia, not Alabama, to clarify. If you think that’s the same thing, then you are also stereotyping. Bottom line, I think everyone makes snap judgements about other people. That’s not to equate all racial/ gender/ sexual orientation slurs on the same level but to point out that most people carry some sort of stereotypical views. As such, I will refrain from a holier-than-thou remark on here about how everything is just so “wrong”.
Okay Pinky, you’re right. I shouldn’t say that, and for that I’m sorry. I don’t know Davis’s mom. I’m just amazed that people still have the balls to call a black person a NIGGER! I have to stop commenting now because I’m starting to sweat and get angry. That word is so powerful coming from a white person. I remember debating that word in class a few years ago and I asked the white students not to say it. Its funny because my family says nigga at the dinner table. We refer to each other as nigga sometimes. We’re all educated people, who love and respect our community. I guess that’s the lesson of the day. Those of us who still say nigga just want white people to respect and live with it. Imagine this, when I told my mother I wanted to sit out a year before going to law school she said “Nigga please”. You may not find that funny, but I think its ‘f’ing hilarious. Okay, no more from me.
Is it just me or did this episode end like a Saved by the Bell rerun?
Ok this fight was extremely stupid. I actually don’t like stephen after this episode. He cried the entire time because Davis left, so what? Wasn’t your homeboy TYRIE THERE? If I’d want someone to have my back I’d choose tyrie before davis.
Stephen overexaggerated the story to Tyrie, which caused him to go defend his bro. At the point Tyrie just went crazy and took his shirt off, I sided with davis. He seriously did nothing wrong and now he has some huge ass dude yelling.
But then came the Davis trademark smirk and now there were 2 drunk idiots going against each other to see who would get kicked out. I was sooo mad about stephen not being there too. I LOVED the LFO Nsync line tyrie spit out(I didn’t take it as being about Davis sexuality, just his appearence).
I saw those random people in the house too, I don’t think they were producers. More then likely they were just random people they picked up from the club.
As for davis saying nigger over the phone to his mom. Im suprised they didn’t bleep it out, because they did on the commercials/previews for the show. I think it’s just his environment he grew up in, he was talking with his mom and he was drunk. I’d forgive it, he was angry+drunk so he wasn’t thinking straight. He obviously wouldn’t say it when he was sober. It’s not news that racism still exists, it’s all just kept out of the public.
Oh yeah, did anyone Jump up and say OMG LEEEEEERROOOOY JENNNKINSS! Tyrie ripped off leroy jenkins of world and warcraft fame.
oh and his wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeroy_Jenkins
Why do the people on this show think that you can excuse ridiculous behavior by attributing it to multiple personalities? “Mr.Emo”? “Leroy Jenkins”? How about “Drunkie McAsshat”, that should cover all possible “personas” these idiots have.
B-side I know it’s all too redundant to say your hilarious, but you truly are:
1.)To which Davis replied with a perplexed look, one that seemed to say, “Huh? What is this ‘out of control’ concept that you speak of? I am unfamiliar. Does that mean I’m hungry? Because I’m not.”
2.)”Davis will be playing at the Laugh Factory this Friday and
Saturday night. Call for tickets. No camera phones allowed.”
3.)Cut to Michael Richards scratching his head and pondering, “But then how do I address black people? This makes no sense.”
Tyrie was the biggest idiot on all of this for basically going psycho for something he did not know the full story too.
I also agree with Bonafide & JerseyGirl, he wanted to hit Tyrie where it hurt. I don’t think Davis is racist, but I think he may be a little awkward around black’s and sometimes just may not know what to say, because he doesn’t hang around black people too much.
Stephen, where were you instigator???
And Colie why were you caressing Tyrie to calm him down? Didn’t that look weird to anyone?
Ok.
There were many many many things that were utterly ridiculous in this episode. Looking at it from a sober non-idiot perspective it was clearly Tyrie that started this fight for what I can only assume was attention seeking. I don’t understand why HE felt the need to confront Davis about something SOMEONE ELSE said to Stephen not him. He wasn’t even involved, and why did Stephen look to Davis to have his back and not his five other roommates??? It makes no sense. Anyone with eyes could see that Davis was drunk off his ass and staggered out of the club.
So Tyrie starts the fight by shouting at someone so damn drunk he’s laughing in his face. He completely overreacts, rips his shirt off so he can intimidate Davis with his hulking back fat and proceeds to go ballistic. He’s a complete attention whore and really annoying actually. Davis clearly has an unbelievable drinking problem and was honestly asking for an ass kicking prior to using the N word and it’s unfortunate that he had to go there. He’ll be painted with the racist brush from here on out, no matter what he says or how many times he apologizes. You just don’t come back from that – cough Michael Richards – cough.
I’m a black woman and I agree wholeheartedly with jasminetheawesome, calling a black person a Nigger, or using any racial slur for any ethnic group is inexcusable no matter what the circumstances are. I personally think that Davis grew up hearing the word and that’s why he used it. The fact that he used the word at all is indicative of exposure to racism either first or second hand. He might not actually feel that way, but I bet a million dollars he knows people that do.
What I also can’t understand for the life of me, is why the other roommates barely attempted to intervene. They just sat around watching the trainwreck.
I wasn’t that damn dumb at 20, where does MTV find these damn idiots?
They’re all idiots. I thank God I can read B-sides recaps and not watch these people. It’s much easier (and enjoyable) to stomach that way.
Slightly off topic, but that Leeroy Jenkins clip was hilarious. Who knew there was such a phenomenon?
I think clearly Tyrie’s Dark Kent side of him is the one that quietly sits and plays World of Warcraft when he’s not ripping his shirt off and yelling at people.
Did anyone notice that during the fight, they didn’t bleep out any of the n-words, but then the next day when they were having their discussion, the n-word was bleeped out? I found that odd, why leave some in and not others?
Haha, that picture of Brooke looking all shocked and B-side you said ‘you wanted a gay roommate, WELL CONGRATULATIONS!’ lol, that cracked me up.
Yeah, this episode confused me. Maybe Stephen was upset that someone called him the N-word at the bar and he thought Davis was there and heard it, but didn’t care and left. So yeah of course Tyrie is going to get upset about it too, because he can understand why Stephen would be upset. But, i’m not exactly sure if that was the case. I think a lot of it was edited out, so we don’t really know for sure what happened. Cuz I doubt Tyrie would get that pissed off about nothing. There had to be something that happened.
When Tyrie called Davis the boyband names, i don’t think that it was in reference to his sexuality at all. c’mon now….he looks like he can be in a boy band, and not because he’s gay. People, get over yourselves.
And, possibly Davis could be a little racist because you just don’t call anyone the N-word at all. It looked like he said it like he meant it.
I also have to agree with some people, i’m not black. But i don’t think people should be using the N-word, even if it’s on a friendly term. some of my guy friends say it to each other and they’re not even black. I don’t think that’s right.
But enough about all this….let’s just all love each other!! hehe
Ok well here goes… I am from Marietta, Ga. I went to high school with Davis and we were the members of the same Baptist church. I certainly saw a side of him in this episode that I had never seen before. We were never close friends, but friends nonetheless, he is not a racist. Davis is a very nice, good person, I truly think that in the situation he overreacted and pulled out the insult that flies out when you feel powerless. Everyone has moments of weakness, especially during drunken arguments when you’re throwing every insult into the fray that you can think of.
And for those who are sitting here saying: “oh well he’s from the South, he probably heard it etc.” I beg to differ. Racism is not an exclusively Southern problem, it’s a national mentality and I think Michael Richards is evidence of that.
That being said, we went to a high school that was .06% black. Let that soak in, .06%… this is in an Atlanta suburb. We had 2,500 kids at the school, and very few minorities. I completely agree that Davis may not have really been around many black people and in turn, have less tolerance and be more quick to use a racial slur. I still live in Atlanta and plenty of my white friends say the n word in joking to each other, it’s not acceptable but I do not automatically label them as racist.
Sorry for the long post, but I certainly do not think y’all should be attacking Davis and just writing him off as a racist for one racial slur. This is nothing close to what Michael Richards did.
I don’t think Davis is necessarily racist…he’s just dumb and wasted and mad/scared as hell probably. Some people get in fights and drop the n-word, some screw Jenn in the guest room.
“I’m an asshole, but I’m not a dick,”
*Scratches head* Can someone ‘splain that one?
ok, then i’ll just go with, they’re all idiots. I don’t think there’s ever been a whole cast of idiots.
I think Stephen is gay. First off, he’s against people who are gay, but he likes Davis and wanted to be his roommate. And he wants to be friends with Davis soo bad, and he just barely met the dude. He’s in the closet.
k, wait….i take that back. Stephen wanted to be his roommate before he knew Davis was gay. But, i just noticed that Stephens talks to Davis the most out of everyone and talks about Davis the most. And really wants him around. Maybe the reason why Stephen was so mad that Davis left the club was because he was jealous that he was going home to talk to his b/f instead of being there with him. makes sense.
I dunno, there’s somethin goin on there. And Stephen didn’t seem to show any interest in any of the girls.
Wow¦quite an intense episode to be sure! As confusing as it was (once again, choppy MTV editing), drama-wise, it did live up to the hype seen in the previews.
First off, in no way am I excusing Davis for using the n-word. It’s a derogatory term meant to incite anger. In this particular situation, I believe Davis said it to one-up Tyrie who was already enraged and trying to intimidate Davis with his size. Davis probably felt he was losing the war but he could at least salvage one battle out of it, hence the n-word. This isn’t to say that Davis is, or is not, racist. But when the word came out of his mouth on this specific occasion, I believe it was meant to shock and infuriate rather than slander (even though it did). But it was wrong to say regardless of the reasons.
I still don’t know what happened at the bar to really even gauge who did what. From the viewers’ perspective it looked like the group went to a bar and one left early. Next thing we know we’re seeing Stephen who was understandably upset because he was called the n-word and Davis was nowhere to be found. Then Tyrie catches wind of this and goes full-on ballistic and demands that Davis remove himself from the hot tub immediately. That was inappropriate. Plus when a person flies off the handle like that, they lose all credibility even if the point they want to make is a valid one. The message simply gets lost in the hysteria.
Tyrie did not handle himself properly. He walks into the room screaming uncontrollably at Davis who was clearly taken by surprise. Most people who are confronted with an individual yelling and flailing about are going to react in a reciprocal manner which Davis eventually did. It’s just human nature.
Now had Tyrie said to Davis that when he was out of the hot tub and free to talk, he would like to have a private conversation with him, the two could have gone into a separate room and Tyrie could have calmly explained the reasons for his frustration. If the interaction had been civil without raised voices and all of the theatrics, the outcome may have been very different as was demonstrated when Stephen and Davis had their discussion on whether or not one could be Christian and gay. They each voiced their opinion in a civilized fashion, and even though nobody changed anyone else’s beliefs, they showed respect for each other and the conversation ended with a handshake.
It seemed like this big brouhaha was causing quite a scene amongst the locals. Did anyone notice when they were outside the house, they seemed to have an audience of passersby?
I think the following needs to happen:
Davis needs to get professional help with both drinking and self-control so he doesn’t just blurt out heat-of-the-moment racial slurs or anything he may later regret.
Stephen needs to learn to get his facts straight before he makes an allegation. He assumed that Davis heard someone calling him the n-word and that was the reason he (Davis) left the bar.
Tyrie needs to go to anger management classes¦he’s a loose cannon. Even if what Stephen accused Davis of doing was correct, you just don’t go around ordering people to get out of hot tubs and listen to you violently rant and rave.
I think they were all wrong with respect to how they handled themselves but I think the real issue was Tyrie’s rampage which started the whole thing. It created a snowball effect where it then escalated to Davis getting volatile and telling Tyrie to hit him.
The N word is a word I’ve always hated. I’m a black person and I dont say it in joke, I dont think taking the R off does anything, I just don’t think it’s a word anyone needs to use.
Does it make you racist to use it? I honestly don’t think you can make that call unless you know the person or at least more about the person. I do know that to say it (and to fight someone for no good reason, or have sex with a loser you met a day ago) on tv is just beyond poor judgment. I manage to go out regularly and get drunk without cussing people out about their race, and that’s even without ten cameras in my face all the time. I will never understand the lame excuses people on this show rely on after they put themselves out there on tv acting so dumb. Raxism is a problem but I tend to think these peopel’s problem is more of a pathological need for attention.
oh myyyyyy gawwwwwd so MANY f-ed up things in this ep, so little time. Unfortunatley I know alot of people who act this idiotic when they drink. This episode made me cringe because i have been in this situatuon a few times before, sigh.
my thoughts:
1. YES I also noticed that all the roomies were wearing the exact same things in this ep as they were in the first ep when Jenn and Alex hooked up. I really dont’ think they would have done that on PURPOSE??Makes me think there is some serious editing and timeline switching going on. Maybe that’s why this ep makes NO SENSE when you really break it down. You also notice how QUICKLY everyone seemed to change into hot tubbing clothes? What really happened between the time everyone got to the house, to the time Tyrie flew off the handle?
2. Stephen…what the fuck? You started this mess, then you are NO WHERE to be found when the shit goes down. And Jenn/Colie (WHOEVER) why didn’t she step in and explain that Davis told her he was leaving waaaay before the shit went down (again….may be editing by MTV beause I have a hard time beleiving these people ARE SOOOO iditotic…)
3. What the hell is up with all these alter ego’s? These idiots are starring in their own version of the movie “Mystery Men”..their alter egos more pathetic who they are in real life, unlike real super heroes. It’s a childish (and are they trying to be “cool”??) excuse to get away with being an asshole.
4. The quickie “80′s sitcom” forgiveness thing at the end…WTF? did they really just fight like that all night, then decide to just kiss and make up like nothing happened? Makes no friggin sense to me. Maybe I need to watch that scene again, but it seems to me like that ending fits more with next weeks episode….Tyrie sticking up for Davis after someone calls him a fag.
5. Also…how does Davis go from telling Stephen “someone at the bar called you a N—? if I was there I would have had your back”…to calling (no YELLING) Tyrie a n—- in the span of a few hours? WTF?? again….editing by MTV? something tells me this entire ep was comprised of 2 totally seperate incidents spliced into one “night”.
I am soooo confused! I need to watch this ep again to see if I can accuratley tell what the hell is going on!!!
It was all ridiculous and stupid until Davis used the n-word.
Unless you have some racist tendencies, you simply don’t say that. Being drunk is no excuse.
Most white people (or non-black people) who aren’t racist would never use that word no matter how drunk or out of it, it wouldn’t even occur to them to use it.
And shame on Davis especially given that he’s gay (!). Probably all that christian counseling he said his parents have given him trying to convert him from being gay has made him a bit crazy.
That was ridiculous too the way the whole situation was wrapped up neatly at the end of the episode.
There’s no way you can forgive the use of that word so quickly.
I think Tyrie knows he can intimidate people and was trying to take the high road by offering forgiveness so kudos to him but there’s no way you can really forgive using the n-word that quickly…
ok, all these people are damn fools. i’ll just begin there. this fight was totally ridiculous…UNTIL davis had to “go there”.
my friend and i have been talking about this ever since the KKKramer incident. we, as black women, are absolutely perplexed by this crazy desire by white people to be able to use the n-word. there was an incident at our university where someone wrote “nigger” on one of the steps and it sparked this whole debate on why blacks can use it but whites can’t. seriously, i’m like wtf would you want to use it? i have several white male friends who, amongst themselves, will call each other “nigga” because they want to seem cool or whatever. i have no fucking idea. i guess they see black people call each other that and wanna feel “in”. umm ps black people can call each other that because they’re BLACK! now, i’ll be the first to let you know that i’m not trying to be called a “nigger” by anybody, black or white. if a white person dares drop the n-bomb around me, sparks will fly. and i’ll be quick to put a black person in their place as well if they come at me negatively. i think the argument of “well black people call each other it, so why can’t i” is totally ridiculous as, again, i don’t see WHY you wanna call someone that.
ok i’m losing my train of thought as this is quite a topic to talk about.
my friends who use it with each other aren’t racist and i’ll be the first to tell you this. they never use it in a way that is meant to harm because they’re just trying to seem “down”. whatever. now davis…he was on some other world racist bullshit. whether or not he identifies himself as a racist or as someone who doesn’t like black people is null to me because that shit came from a place of hatred. point blank period. somewhere deep down inside he harbors some straight racist beliefs and they clearly surfaced when he was angry. now that is some foul mess that i don’t have the patience to deal with. being drunk is not an excuse because i’ll tell you this right now, i have many a white friend, in fact a majority of them are, and they would never, NEVER drop that n-word regardless of how angry they got with a black person because those kind of thoughts don’t exist in their minds. they aren’t those type of people.
ahh, i’ve rambled forever. i’ll just co-sign with what jasmine said earlier: white people just don’t use the word and we’ll be alright. real talk. there should be no reason you would want to use the word and you MUST understand that when a white person calls a black person “nigger”, it takes on a whole new light. so save yourself the potential beat down and don’t say it. period.
sorry that was a freakin novel, but mtv really gets me with this ignorant ass people.
and you better believe davis would not have been forgiven by a grip of black people i know.
jasminetheawesome: i totally thought it was funny that your mom said “nigga please”. im a black woman myself and dont ever use that word, but i couldnt help but think that was hilarious.
MissKatrina: i also nearly died of laughter when you called alex “DrunkieMcAsshat”! i totally agree about referring to these losers by their “alter egos”. whatta bunch of tools
Wow, I’m surprised so many people think Davis is a racist.
1.)I’m black too, and I honestly did not feel any racial hatred from Davis when he let out the n-word. Like I said before, the second he said it I could tell it was to retaliate against Tyrie for what he said.
2.)There are some people that said that they felt it was more towards his looks that his sexuality, and that’s kinda my point. He may or may not have been referring to Davis being gay, but Davis may have taken it that way, just like people here see it differently. I’m not saying what he said was ok, but if Tyrie’s gonna spit out insults, he should expect them back.
3.)How many times have you pissed at a girl and called her fat or a bitch because you knew it would hurt? Or called a guy a fag because you knew it would piss him off? I know a lot of people are going to say it’s not the same beca use the n-word is more offensive but that really depends on the person. I know girls that wouldn’t blink at being called the n-word, or spic, or chink but would be ready to fight you if called her a bitch. Bitch, whore, slut, etc. have history just like the n-word does.
4.)Also, in the first episode Stephen was the one he bonded with right away and was even worried that he wouldn’t want to be friends with him if he found out he was gay. Why would he even care about what. Stephen thought if he was racist?
I find it amazing that there is so much genuine surprise that Davis would use the word nigger. Do you think that that kind of inflammatory language and more importantly, racism, just went away in the 60s and 70s? Well it hasn’t and it may never go away. Having grown up in a white suburban area, I can tell you that a number of white kids thought that the images of blacks they see on TV (rappers, athletes, womanizers, pimps, drug dealers) comprised black people as a whole. Similar to the Italian stereotype that if you have a last name ending in a vowel, your family is in the Mafia. And if you have not had any direct interaction with a black person, then there is nothing that would dispel the stereotype. In both cases, if the stereotypes continue to be perpetuated in mass media, these thoughts will never go away.
How does this relate to Davis? Well, if you choose to accept the poster that went to high school’s statement (and I do), then the shoe fits. He grew up in a mostly white town, with Atlanta and its majority black population as the major city.
I think Davis was in the wrong to blurt out what he did on the phone within earshot of Tyrie and Stephen. However, given the rest of the roommates assumed suburban upbringings, I would be shocked if they would have made a big deal about it if Tyrie and Stephen weren’t around.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought I heard Tyrie say that he had been waiting 18 weeks to hit Davis the first time Davis told Tyrie to hit him. Did anyone else hear this?
lalia– I’m 100% with you on everything you said.
Holiday41- I think it’s interesting that you only think Davis was wrong because he was in earshot of Tyrie and Stephen. Why would it have been okay if they had been outside or far enough away that they couldn’t hear?
I’m not surprised at all that Davis “went there” and I’m also not surprised that MTV has once again put a housefull of complete morons on screen for us to watch.
Katie, he said he’d wait 18 weeks to hit him, meaning until the show was over so he wouldn’t get kicked out of the house for fighting. I think that was the main reason Davis was saying he didn’t want to stay, I’d be scared too if I knew Tyrie was just biding his time til he could kick my ass.
cannonball:
If they didn’t hear him, the situation would not have escalated further. As much as it may offend people, Davis does have the right to his opinion, no matter how racist it may be. The key is to suppress it enough to get along with Tyrie and Stephen, much the same way that Stephen agreed to get along with Davis despite the fact that he’s gay. It’s the same thing.
They’re all idiots, but I think their biggest mistake was auditioning for this show in the first place. MTV is so obviously manipulating these kids – how is this the “real world?” They’re forced into close corners with complete strangers 24/7 with no break from each other and have all the alcohol they could ever want right at their fingertips. Not to mention the cameras following them around, which everyone knows makes people act idiotic to begin with. Who lives like that? That is not the RW. This show was much better when the cast was comprised of people of varying ages rather than just a bunch of college kids and recent grads.
Yes, these kids are stupid, but they’re also victims in a way – only they won’t realize how they’ve been used until they grow up. MTV is pathetic.
I especially love how they trotted the producer out like he was stepping in to settle things down – when in fact MTV created the situation to begin with. A bunch of immature kids + WAY too much alcohol = problems, it was only a matter of time.
If they insist on continuing the RW after this season, I think they should start hiring potheads. Think about it, they’d be so mellow. And have such entertaining conversations. The biggest drama would be over who ate the last brownie.
Anyway, reading the recap was worth watching the episode. Maybe next week I’ll skip watching it and just come here for the recap.
This was just an ugly episode to watch.
I think using any kind of term to abuse, humiliate or show contempt toward another person, based on race, sexual-preference, or religious conviction is a show of weakness and ignorance.
That being said, I don’t believe Davis is a racist. I also don’t think Tyrie was using the boy band reference as a homophobic slur. I DO think Tyrie was calling Davis’s masculinity into question, and Davis reacted exactly how Tyrie probably expected him too. I’m sure that’s not the first fight Tyrie’s ever been involved in, he knew what he was doing.
Tyrie went after Davis in a verbally, physically and psychologically aggressive manner. Davis’ reaction looked to me like pure shock and confusion, his first instinct was to try and diffuse it – I think his smirk was involuntary and he didn’t even realize he was doing it (I know people who do that when they’re uncomfortable). When he tried to hug Tyrie, it actually reminded me of how a weaker animal will submit to a stronger animal, acknowledging their dominance. I think Davis was drunk enough to be acting on a purely instictual level, and there was no initial actual thought process involved.
Tyrie was completely out of control, and I thought the way the other roommates pandered to him was absolutely disgusting. They ALL fed into his bullshit, and that’s why it escalated. There was no reason why Tyrie couldn’t have waited until the next day to talk to Davis – Davis was wasted, what did he think would be accomplished by confronting him? He probably wouldn’t have even remembered it.
I think Davis felt attacked, humiliated, and ultimately unsupported by anyone there, and just had a total melt-down. By the time Tyrie was coddled into calming down, Davis was enraged.
I would really like to see how Tyrie might have reacted had the situation been reversed. And, NO I don’t think Davis should have pulled out the N word – but when you push someone into a corner, you better be ready to deal with what comes out of it. It’s going to be fight or flight, one way or the other.
Stephen instigated something against another roommate, and then completely side-stepped any responsibility for the consequences. Of course, he was only too happy to play the understanding, forgiving friend in the aftermath. How manipulative, I guess he’s feeling better about Davis being gay now that he can dominate him. Yeah, he’s got a pretty good handle on being a future politician.
I’m no fan of Jenn’s, but how was any of it her fault? People can opt to leave a bar whenever they want to, I think Davis knew he was getting out of control and did the responsible thing. He went home.
I feel bad for Stephen, in that he was insulted in the bar. But what would Davis have done had he been there? What would Stephen have done if he was hanging out with friends, in a bar, outside of the RW and that happened? It sucks, but seriously grow up and deal with shit on an adult level.
I wonder how Colie would have felt about Tyrie’s actions had Alex been the one targeted? Would Tyrie even still be there? Somehow, I think if Alex had been the one to leave the bar early none of this would have happened – what do you think that means?
I think Tyrie should have also been asked to spend the night elsewhere. I call bullshit on the RW producers. He’s a fucking time-bomb.
How come there are all of these rules and regulations for a word that causes so much anger, frustration and pain? Couldn’t we (all races) just NOT use the word? I don’t see how any of us can justify using a racial slur… Also, TELLING PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO KICK THEIR ASS… for whatever reason is immature and ignorant.
Katie -
I heard the same thing.. that Tyrie said at least twice that he had waited 18 weeks to hit Davis. It made me wonder if this episode was shown totally out of order? Not beyond the realm of possibility, but does that mean nothing ‘exciting’ happened for the first 17 weeks?
i’m anxious to hear the opinions of you guys on the robin/aneesa situation. let me say this now, robin USED to be one of my favorite despite her rollin with kina. after this…revoked!
OK”first, I agree”this whole argument defies logic simply in that they tried to resolve it under the influence. It’s hard to rationalize any of it, since most people don’t make rational choices when they are drunk”especially when they disagree.
I think Stephen perpetrated this whole conflict, and then just sat back and watched it spin out of control. Why can’t Stephen take care of his own business? Why did he feel it was the obligation of Davis to defend him in the club—and then amp up Tyrie on the situation to focus his rage at the racist bartender on Davis? Intitially, that is what I feel it was”misplaced rage about a circumstance Davis was not responsible for”nor obliged to answer to–then unfairly confronted and yelled at like some petulant child. Tyrie and Stephen were totally out of line for convicting him and focusing their anger on him”especially when he really do anything”and didn’t even know anything about it. If someone came at me unjustifiably with that much anger over something I didn’t do I wonder how I would react. Davis did act like a punk and freaked out as well, but once again, he was drunk, and knowing himself, was trying to stay out of trouble. Obviously, Tyrie didn’t give him that option.
Regardless, the use of the N word is unjustifiable, and I think that is a total deal breaker when it comes to a show or any other situation. I think at a bare minimum they should have required Davis go to seek counseling for his alcoholism, and Tyrie to go to anger management. The group hug/friends forever/happily ever after was total horeshit in my opinion–especially when it came to Stephen–he really looked like an ass before and after the conflict. But I guess real resolution or personal growth defeats the whole purpose and agenda of The Real World”and would significantly limit their selection of socially and emotionally retarded castmates for the endless competition shows MTV seems to churn out.
As for Davis, I think it’s fair to address his personal life and how it may have affected his reaction to the situation. I think he does a good job of masking the huge amount of mental and emotional stress and shame he deals with regarding his being gay and how he has being treated by his family and church. I am by no means justifying his behavior or language, but I do know that coming to terms with being gay and making peace with your sexuality in a heterocentric world is hard enough in itself. But when you have to do it with friends, strangers, your church, and worst of all your family personally attacking and persecuting you for something as fundamental as your sexual orientation”he has to be a mess on the inside. Unfortunately a lot of people, including gays”think coming out is just something you do. The reality is, coming out is a process”one that can last years. Telling people your gay is just the first step.
I think alcohol weakened the façade that hides all of that anger, sadness, pain, and shame, stress, etc that Davis is dealing with on the inside”and so when Tyrie attacked him, you saw the same kind of misplaced rage that Tyrie was perpetrating on him. It’s possible Davis may have an addiction issue as well, but I am thinking that the drinking is more a symptom of bigger things Davis needs to address. He is obviously dealing with a huge amount internalized homophobia”the whole I’m marrying my first boyfriend and living happily ever to disassociate himself with the bars or anything gay is a huge indicator. Didn’t he even say he has no gay friends?
Anyway, I think instead of the blame game, it’s more productive to look at it from the perspective of empathy”and to see it as evidence of how much it hurts to feel persecuted or treated with disrespect because of your gender, race, sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc. When you think about it”that is the essence of this conflict. It may be just a stupid show, but if we all can’t walk away with something to integrate into our own realities, then I think that makes us even stupider.
Sorry Cheez”I think I beat you for overanalytical this time!
I feel that the LFO comment was very obviously based on Davis’ appearance and not his sexual orientation. Do you all remember LFO? ‘Cause if you do, Davis is the spitting image of the lead singer, especially when he had his cap on and was in Tyrie’s face!
As far as the Davis hugging Tyrie thing, that was actually the part that bugged me the most. That was not Davis trying to submit to Tyrie (at least that wasn’t my interpretation). He hugged him and put his mouth up to Tyrie’s mouth, acting like he was gonna kiss him… He did that because it was his way of trying to lure Tyrie to hit him! That hug happened as Tyrie started telling Davis that the only way Davis was gonna get Tyrie to hit him was if Davis hit him first. I personally found it disgusting that Davis was trying to lure homophobia out of Tyrie.. and I’m impressed that Tyrie (in the drunk state that he was in) was smart enough not to bite. There are many straight men that would not have had that much self-control.
I wasn’t gonna touch the racist part, but there are two things I want to add. First, Davis did not say the N-word to Tyrie directly (Tyrie only heard about it after Davis had left) so I think the argument that Davis was just trying to “one-up” Tyrie is just not valid. Secondly, while I don’t think Davis is filled with hate for Black people I do feel that he does primarily see people by the color of there skin. This was obvious from the first episode where one of the first things he said to his friend when describing the house was “there are four guys in the house, two of them are Black”. I’m sure there are many people in this world that would do the same thing, but the problem with that type of ignorance is that when you see people primarily by their skin color, racism isn’t far behind.
i co-sign 100% with alligatorwings btw. i really only watch mtv now when i’m totally bored and want to be entertained, but bunim/murray has gotten just so…distasteful, at best. i understand that these are 7 strangers, picked to live in a house blah blah blah, but fact of the matter is personalities will ALWAYS clash. that’s a given, but when things come to head like this(i’m also referring to the challenge ep) and sexuality and race are instinctively the buttons that are pushed, i really believe there are bigger problems. i think it’s totally asinine for them to just be like ok, you were drunk, i’m past it because that solves nothing. all that means is that someone gets to hide behind this scapegoat of “i was drunk” and suddenly it’s ok that race was brought up, sexuality questioned. i’m 20, i’ve literally grown up watching mtv. it has not molded my life because i’m good at seperating bullshit from reality, but there are tons of kids influenced by the laguna beach kids, the rw people, tiara girls, and i think that when the producers gloss over such an issue that is so prevalent and no one wants to admit it, it’s saying that as long as you have an excuse and are “sorry”, it’s totally ok.
it’s not ok. you can’t attack people like that and then act as though it came outta nowhere and it’s fine. i really feel as though the producers really do need to actually do something instead of just letting it be a moment where 2 people got mad at each other. tyrie’s anger issues do need to be addressed. davis’ drinking issues do need to be addressed. hell, they had ruthie go to treatment after her drunk driving around hawaii fiasco. they had stephen in anger management after he slapped irene in the face. and this helped both people because they had to face their demons. so i think that everyone should be held accountable. tyrie, davis, stephen, even the roommates for not intervening sooner. and of course, mtv productions. i dunno. i’m idealistic.
excuse while i step off my soapbox. i’ll stop posting long ass comments…for now
I feel that the LFO comment was very obviously based on Davis’ appearance and not his sexual orientation. Do you all remember LFO? ‘Cause if you do, Davis is the spitting image of the lead singer, especially when he had his cap on and was in Tyrie’s face!
As far as the Davis hugging Tyrie thing, that was actually the part that bugged me the most. That was not Davis trying to submit to Tyrie (at least that wasn’t my interpretation). He hugged him and put his mouth up to Tyrie’s mouth, acting like he was gonna kiss him… He did that because it was his way of trying to lure Tyrie to hit him! That hug happened as Tyrie started telling Davis that the only way Davis was gonna get Tyrie to hit him was if Davis hit him first. I personally found it disgusting that Davis was trying to lure homophobia out of Tyrie.. and I’m impressed that Tyrie (in the drunk state that he was in) was smart enough not to bite. There are many straight men that would not have had that much self-control.
I wasn’t gonna touch the racist part, but there are two things I want to add. First, Davis did not say the N-word to Tyrie directly (Tyrie only heard about it after Davis had left) so I think the argument that Davis was just trying to “one-up” Tyrie is just not valid. Secondly, while I don’t think Davis is filled with hate for Black people I do feel that he does primarily see people by the color of there skin. This was obvious from the first episode where one of the first things he said to his friend when describing the house was “there are four guys in the house, two of them are Black”. I’m sure there are many people in this world that would do the same thing, but the problem with that type of ignorance is that when you see people primarily by their skin color, racism isn’t far behind.
All good points alligatorwings, and I especially appreciate your perspective on Davis’ background. It really makes a lot of sense place in that context.
I also agree with you, that this was obviously a painful issue, with deep undercurrents, for all involved.
Points considered, and taken!
I was looking forward to your thoughts on this one! And, I’m always happy to be out-over-analytical-ized! Try to find that word in the dictionary, Hah!
i dont think any White person who uses the word is necessarily a racist. that said, White ppl u can’t use it. There’s no word in the English language that could EVER make a White person feel as degraded, inferior, disrespected etc. as the word nigger can make a Black person feel. this is because never in recorded history has there been a time when White ppl were made to believe they were inferior, a minority, a less than. they cannot possibly even if they tried relate to the feeling behind the word. u can imagine, and thats nice if u try to sympathize, but you’ve always been if anything, made to feel more equal and better than. It may not be right for Black ppl to use the word either but that is something that Black ppl, NOT White, have to figure out for themselves and amongst themselves. this is because a Black person using the word on another Black person can never produce the same feeling a White person using it would obviously. that is why we can use it and you can’t. Why the need to use it anyway? Just not to be left out? Not to be denied ur rites to ownership on EVERYTHING? well this is one thing u can’t control, sorry.
I agree that the n-word will automatically set off sparks for a lot of people, black or not, but I also really can’t understand why blacks would want to refer to each other as something so degrading and with such history. That’s the weirdest part of that whole argument to me – Native Americans don’t exactly go around affectionately calling each other “savages.” And why is there no mention of the constant reference to them as Indians? The n-word shouldn’t be considered a sign of comraderie, bottom line.
That said, wtf is up with these people? I watched the first half of the episode (half-asleep, mind you) and couldn’t make any sense of it whatsoever. B-Side, you helped clear it up a little, but they’re still all idiots. I also LOVED your hidden knowledge of boy bands – 5ive and BBMak rocked my world.
I felt Tyrie’s remark about Davis’ boybandish appearance was a hit to his sexuality. If there’s anything a lot of people think when they look at boy bands, it’s that all of the members are gay. But if Davis has a drinking problem as he says, I think a lot of his behavior can be explained by that.
I don’t know whether to be pleasantly surprised or discouraging about Tyrie’s forgiveness toward Davis at the end. If he can accept the fact that it was a stupid drunken argument and people said things they didn’t mean, that’s cool; but I thought the n-word was a lot more sensitive to most.
I have to agree with youwannabme. i dont think anyone should continue to use the N word. fuck this ownership business. its stupid and ignorant. everyone of all races has their little, stupid names for their race or culture. why would black people want to continue to used that word. its just dumb.
Thanks Cheez–I do think the personal situation Davis is in has really f-ked up inside–you’d be surprised how screwed up people get dealing with their sexuality, especially when it comes to hard core religion and or the “ex-gay” movement.
There have been cases of guys punishing and self mutilating themselves by pouring acid all over genitals because they slipped and had sex or sexual thoughts about the same sex. That kind of psychosis is real, so if you think about Davis being rejected by his mother and told he is full of demons–it has to take its toll on him. I know from personally experience how profoundly hurtful it can be to have your own mother tell you the ugliest most hurtful things over being gay–it rocks you to the core. I can also identify with the religious aspect–total mindf-ck.
I haven’t watched the Real World in quite a while and was “fortunate” enough to catch this episode. There are a few core items that should be addressed in response to the postings here. First, we are all aware of the history of this word that has been making numerous guest star appearances in the media recently. Second, let us not confuse what some may elect to use as an uneducated term of endearment as a universal, “they call each other,” term. It is not a universal term, sign of camaraderie, “what blacks refer to each other as,” or any other bologna that one may elect to use as an excuse; therefore it does not make it any more acceptable for black person to use this word than any other race.
With that said let us move to the question, does Davis making a racist remark make him a racist? I don’t personally know enough from watching one episode about Davis to make this call, however, I do know that alcohol decreased one’s inhibitions and had it not been in his stream of consciousness Davis wouldn’t have said the word. Even more so he wouldn’t have used it on the phone with his mother. As far as MTV and their decision to air a very serious topic in a 30 minute after school special type of manor; it’s socially irresponsible and unacceptable. I realize that their job is to make good television but this episode was unacceptable. They know that the people that they pick to come on their shows have issues; they put them in a house, give them free alcohol, and watch them self destruct, all in the name of ratings¦it’s sad.
I’m sorry that you had anything even approaching an experience like Davis’ regarding your coming out alligatorwings. I don’t know what to say, except that that just sucks. You are obviously a very intelligent, funny and compassionate person – I hope those are the qualities your mother ultimately came to value in you.
Betty Cooper, I think you have a lot of good points about the impact of the N word, however I think you might be over-generalizing about “white” people. Unless you’re specifically referring to Anglo-Saxon, white, heterosexual men from good economic backgrounds, there are entire groups of white people who are just as sensitive to, and enraged by racial/cultural slurs.
The word faggot is based on a practice in medieval times when “sodomites” were burned at the stake, it’s a hateful word. Anti-Semitic terms for Jews are still regularly used, and are just as shocking and offensive as the N word – My husband is still upset that one of our clients used the phrase “Jew him down”, last week. He’s Jewish, and has almost no extended family because his aunts and uncles were systematically exterminated by the Nazis. He didn’t react because the asshole is one of our most strategic accounts. Yeah, he had to swallow that one, and it wasn’t the first time; and don’t think for one minute that that isn’t the first thing we think of when that fucker’s name comes up.
Incidentally, homosexuals were also exterminated by the Nazis because they were deemed “sub-human”, as were Catholics, gypsies, handicapped people, and the mentally ill. Obviously, I could go on and on by ethnic, religious, sexual-orientation, etc. stereotypes.
I guess my point is that human beings have a horrifying history and capacity for committing cruel and evil acts, and dialogue like this – even when heated and emotional is probably good. I know I’ve learned a few things here today!
The bottom line for me is this: The next time a terrorist act takes place on American soil, I don’t give a fuck if Wonderbread Boy or Little Richard is sitting next to me – I just want to know that underneath all the rhetoric we’re all on the same side.
This episode disturbed me on so many levels. I know what happened here is a reflection of the ugly truth that so many young people have these issues with intolerence, drinking, the need to prove and/or protect themselves.. but this was just too much. I think it is in poor taste that MTV aired this footage. With the amount of stuff they leave out, I’m sure they could have still had a good season without showing that.
On a different topic- anyone watch that Bad Girls Club show on Oxygen? I know it’s a woman’s channel but that show is out there! I watched for the first time last night- wow that’s some funny shit! I hope it gets recapped here on TVGasm.
antebellum- very good point on the “indian/savage” thing. I wish everyone would drop the use of the word. As a black person, I think I would lose credibility if I went around calling people that and then expected others not to say it. I just think it needs to be left in the past. Nobody needs to use it.
Holiday41,
You are more right than you know when you say that people that don’t actually know any black people buy into the MTV/BET/etc. stereotype of the “thug” black guy. You have no idea how many times white people have said “You’re such a white guy” to me. It disgusts me that my racial identity is taken from me because I don’t fit a stereotypical mold of what “being black” is. “Being black” isn’t what I’m trying to be, it’s what I am. There are as many different ways for black people to behave as for white people. Anyway, I agree with your post.
“3.)How many times have you pissed at a girl and called her fat or a bitch because you knew it would hurt? Or called a guy a fag because you knew it would piss him off? I know a lot of people are going to say it’s not the same beca use the n-word is more offensive but that really depends on the person. I know girls that wouldn’t blink at being called the n-word, or spic, or chink but would be ready to fight you if called her a bitch. Bitch, whore, slut, etc. have history just like the n-word does.”
JerseyGirl,
The difference here is that Tyrie didn’t call Davis a “fag”. If he had, I would understand that Davis was digging for an equivalent insult to hurl back at him. However, Tyrie didn’t do that. He didn’t stop to calling out someone based on what they are. I don’t view calling someone fat, bitch, etc. as offensive because those insults are based on behaviors and choices. Being black is not a choice, just like being gay is not a choice. Being fat is a lifestyle choice, dressing a certain way (in Davis’ case like a frat boy/boy bander) is a choice, how you behave is a choice. By insulting someone based on what they choose removes the sting of that personal aspect. It may be semantic, but there is a difference between saying someone is a bad person and saying that a person does bad things.
“I do know that alcohol decreased one’s inhibitions and had it not been in his stream of consciousness Davis wouldn’t have said the word. Even more so he wouldn’t have used it on the phone with his mother. As far as MTV and their decision to air a very serious topic in a 30 minute after school special type of manor; it’s socially irresponsible and unacceptable.”
Well said, MrsTarheel–although social responsibility is not much of a priority on MTV–it’s all about feeds morbid curiosity and anything else that sells products. It’s wierd how MTV has eroded to a huge social rubberneck–Jackass, Punkd, Sweet Fifteen, True Life, Next, Made–it’s all about entertainment at other people’s expense–either by directly exploiting their ignorance/stupidity, or watching other people do it to them.
Yep Cheez–it’s sad about the reality of the situation in the death camps. Actually, you see the same double standard when it comes to the holocaust. For a long time, there was no recognition of the gay men that had suffered at the hands of the Nazis. To my knowledge, they are still denied any reparations, and within the Jewish holocaust organizations, they essentially put in the same category as the criminals that were in the camps. Once again, it’s the whole “my opression/discrimination is real, yours isn’t” that Stephen is perpetrating–and backing it up with ignorance and religious dogma.
Only recently has there been an addition dedicated to gay victims to the Holocaust Museum in DC. If you are interested, I highly recommend the doc “Paragraph 175″.
Anyway, it’s interesting how much commentary this recap is getting. At the same time, it’s easy to see that had Tyrie said a homophobic remark to Davis in the same scenario, it would have received a small portion of the response and outrage the race issue had.
Hell, the last recap ended with someone posting, “DAVIS IS A FUCKING F-GGOT”–and it’s STILL THERE days later. Had someone posted “TYRIE IS A FUCKING N_____, there would have been a huge outry–or it would have been immediately deleted.
Makes you think, doesn’t it?
No one should use the n-word. Not just white people. It just comes from the wrong place no matter who uses it.
No one should use the n-word. Not just white people. It just comes from the wrong place no matter who uses it.
Not only do I think that the “n word” should not be used by anyone, but I find the double standards of race relations to be very frustrating. People assume that because I am blonde haired, blue eyed, I have a charmed life free of struggle. I tended bar at an entirely hispanic wedding and was referred to as “cracker” the entire time! Who does that? Several people took my picture because they loved the idea of having a young white girl wait on them! Seriously, who does that? I get so sick of anyone being able to call me any type of derogatory term, while I sit and wonder how they could say such awful things to someone that they knew nothing of. It is not a primarily southern thing, if anything, my beautiful small town has helped me respect other races. My black friends and I only ever discuss the differences in our hair, which is no different from a conversation that I would have with one of my curly haired red headed friends. It saddens me really that this day and age, this is still worthy of putting on t.v. because everyone has their own opinion. People who refuse to move on are the ones who will forever ensure that non-issues are huge issues.
Hi alligatorwings,
I saw “Paragraph 175″ a while back, and I found it very powerful – also very heartbreaking. I actually think that movie should be shown in highschools, along with American History X, and Shoah.
Alligatorwings,
Great point about the… what could we call it… prejudice hierarchy. In our society, “everyone is entitled to her/his opinion” does not apply to racism, but is acceptable when it comes to homosexuality, sexism, classism, and other issues. All forms of discrimination deserve equal outrage.
This episode was hilarious. Good recap title!
This episode was hilarious. Good recap title!
I must say, that reading these comments has been very interesting. I am the poster who knows Davis personally and has for almost 10 years. I hate to say but actually knowing someone on a reality tv show well enough to know that they are not being portrayed in a good light and are really a good person is eye-opening. Now I sort of feel bad for writing so many of these dumbass reality stars off and assuming that they are just as pathetic in real life. Weird.
Okay, first of all, black people aren’t the only people who try to take ownership of terms that were created to demean them? You’ve never heard gay people call each other f*gs or Chinese people call each other ch****s? Because I certainly have. That said, I don’t think it’s okay.
Also, the argument that what Davis said wasn’t nearly as bad as what Mike Richards did and that we should lay off him is complete bullshit. So what if it wasn’t as bad? That still makes it horrible.
I don’t care how drunk you are, the fact that you resort to using slurs means that you have some feelings of fear or hatred even when you’re not drunk, and you’re just uninhibited enough to actually vocalize them when you start drinking.
Was Stephen at all drunk during this?
Rather, it still is horrible
I think the use of slurs by anyone–even if it describes them as well–makes them look and sound ignorant. I don’t think people understand the power of their words–and how they teach people how to treat us–and each other.
In regards to how people on the show are portrayed, sometimes I think it’s easy to oversimplify the cast members since they have fallen into cliche roles (the jock, the hot girl, the bitchy queen, the angry black man, the drunk, the slut, etc.) It’s easy to write these people off as one dimensional, but obviously there is more too them than meets the eye. Hopefully we’ll get to see more of this cast and figure out where they are on a personal level. I also think about how many situations I am in where I feel I should have reacted differently afterwards, so I guess it’s not fair to judge them too harshly (unless it’s Tyler–then it’s OK, since he’ll never judge himself anyway).
Wow this has become a national debate!! So now I feel compelled to add my two cents.
I am in no way defending the use of the “n” word. But I have to say that it is common speak among young black youth, you can hear it just by listening to a rap song, watching a t.v. show, hanging out with your friends. I feel the word has more meaning when hate is the catalyst for using it. Its almost as if the word has been thrown around so much that it has lost its true meaning. But to use it during a fight when you are white and the person you are saying it to is black………. is a death wish. Its not right plain and simple.
Do I think Davis is a racist? No. Do I think Davis is a DUMB ASS? Uh yeah…… Good person? Maybe…… ignorant YUP!! Hopefully the dude learned his lesson………
I don’t like to jugde, but if you’re so quick to use such a word there’s some racist in you. Anyway, B-Side I’m sure you’re sick of hearing this but you are hilarious…. I was crying reading this recap!
Jeez. I thought someone was going to get torn up.
A better episode, but ofcourse Colie needed to involve herself in SOME way. I hope RW is the last of her reality career.
I think Davis dropped the N bomb out of frustration. Although I don’t know where he grew the balls to do so cause I’d be scared to insult anyone Tyrie’s size.
After seeing this episode I don’t think what Davis did was right and I can’t believe he had the b@lls to say something like that when Tyrie is like twice his size. Tyrie was also in the wrong because he just flew off the handle arguing with somebody over something that had nothing to do with him and that he didn’t even witness (apparently, God knows with MTV’s editing). As for Stephen,WTF?, in a situation like that I would rather have Tyrie have my back than Davis…geez. I also agree with what Jozeyg post #38, that’s what I thought too when Stephen got so mad at Davis for leaving…hmm methinks somebody’s in the closet. Anyways,I still have to say that I like Tyrie the best out of the whole cast and from what I could tell from the previews for this week, despite everything that happened he still has Davis’ back when he needs him. AND because he managed to walk away when Davis was trying to get him to punch him (I also think that Davis was trying to kiss him or something to piss him off, or at least that’s what it looked like to me)and I know that at least most of my guy friends would have punched him in the face. With that said,I’m kinda glad that Davis didn’t go home and I think that this experience could be good for him but then again what do I know? Great recap as usual B-Side.
MTV, seriously! This shit is out of control. Who ARE these f-ing idiots you find for these shows?? You know they WANT to fill the house with a bunch of dumbasses who are slutty, racist, stupid, homophobic, alcoholics, etc. and then give them nothing to do but get drunk all the time, fuck all their roommates and random people off the street, and get in huge drunken brawls like this one. This show used to be better than this. “Real” drama is more interesting than this manufactured bullshit that MTV practically scripts by the quality of people they put in the house. BOO!
Tyrie–you’re telling me that you not only have 2 alter egos, but you have NAMED them?? WTF??
Stephen–even if Davis HAD bailed in order to avoid a confrontation over someone calling you the n-word, SO F-ING WHAT?? He’s known you like 2 days, and you immediately went all judgmental on him for being gay…why should he automatically have your back? You’re an asshole!!
Now I agree there was some serious editing going on in this ep, so who knows how to accurately judge people’s reactions. But my husband and I were talking about this during and after the show. He thought that Davis was being the bigger asshole by continuing to get in Tyrie’s face, etc. But you know, back when we were that age, and drunk off our asses, if someone had come in screaming their damn ass off at me to GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE HOT TUB NOW! and other shit like that, getting in my face and acting like they had any right to make me answer to them….I would have done the EXACT same thing that Davis did at first. I would have put on my smirky face and laughed at them. Seriously, there is no better way to piss someone off than to laugh at them when they are mad at you. And then I would eventually have gotten mad enough to start screaming back at Tyrie, because seriously, who the fuck does he think he is?? This was none of his god damn business, and he needs to shut the hell up. Davis got out of control in reaction to Tyrie. Just because Tyrie calmed himself down first doesn’t mean he’s just off the hook.
Also, I’m sure Davis was feeling intimidated by the enormous, furious man right up in his face screaming at the top of his lungs. I would have expected some of the roommates to take up for him and say, you know, “Hey Tyrie, wtf is your problem dude? Chill out!” The fact that none of them stood up for Davis or tried to explain that this was all a misunderstanding is complete bullshit. If I were Davis, I would be FURIOUS with Stephen and Jen.
It’s a shame that Davis used the n-word. I think anyone that uses that word is probably “a little bit” racist deep down. There’s no excusing it, but I do think you have to look at what led up to it. Davis seemed really frazzled, scared, bewildered, pissed off, etc. Basically he could not believe this shit was happening to him, as all he did was leave the damn bar early to come home and talk to his boyfriend and then have a nice little soak in the hot tub! I think at that point he reached for the one word that he knew would have the most hurtful effect on Tyrie. Again, I’m not attempting to excuse it, but the context is important. He didn’t just bust out with it because Tyrie drank the last Coke, kwim? And I don’t think that just because he used that word that Tyrie should immediately be off the hook for his ridiculously out of line behavior. And if Tyrie had any brains, he’d also be pissed at Stephen! What a little bitch Stephen is!
Then Tyrie ends up looking like the bigger person because he makes nice with Davis at the end. Well that’s bullshit! He has reasons to apologize to Davis, too!
The only funny part of this show was when Davis tells the roommates he has a drinking problem. And Alex says, “I think he just needs to get used to being out in bars more.” ROFL! Yes, he obviously just needs more PRACTICE! Because the way he went about being a drunken idiot tonight was all wrong!
The screen shot of shocked Brooke and “You wanted a gay roommate? WELL CONGRATULATIONS!” is damn funny though, B-Side!!
Mom to Travis- Well said! I couldn’t agree more.
This situation is the product of all the wrong elements coming together at the same time, thanks to MTV’s casting. I’m sure they expected or at least hoped for this.
Great job B-side.
I’m really getting sick of people thinking someone has a drinking problem when they get drunk once (from what we saw). All these self-righteous puritans have never been drunk? At a club, bar, party – anywhere?
Granted, I know Davis said he had a drinking problem, but I think that was used to deflect everyone’s anger somewhat.
Tyrie definitely has anger and dumbass issues. Who tries to reason with a drunk person? More so, who does it in this bombastic manner without even knowing what really happened?
Stephen is the one who really pissed me off. Where was his little wussy ass when all this was going down?
I live in NY where people of all races –especially kids– refer to each other by using the n-word all the time in casual conversation. Not saying it’s right or wrong, but I was surprised to see how many people think Davis was a racist. If anything, Davis was reacting after being ordered around, screamed at and cursed at for being gay.
This fight was a mixture of young drunk people overreacting & confused in front of the camera, not knowing how to communicate and only wanting to hurt each other–physically & verbally.
Shame on the producers if this was caused by something other than what we saw (due to editting) and double shame on the producers for letting this fight go on for as long as it did.
Yes, I realize the castmates are all over 21 and are supposed to be responsible adults, but it’s obvious from this episode that they aren’t.
Note to MTV:I don’t tune in to see people get hurt. I tune in to see girl’s drama over guys, who falls in love , who gets dumped, who gets cheated on. In the neverending saga for great ratings, the producers are putting on more cast members with severe issues (bipolar, anorexic, violent tendencies, alcoholics)– this is going to blow up in their faces BIG TIME.
I agree with the previous poster that the Real World needs to get back to the basics: 7 strangers sharing a residence in a city and learning how to live & grow together. For the violent nonsense, I’d be watching WWF or some crap like that.