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Monday, July 17, 2006
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A few weeks ago, we saw one of the most incendiary episodes of The Real World Key West season when Tyler bitched out Svetlana, her mom, and just about anything else that deigned to call him immature for penning a “burn book.” Readers were livid at Tyler, and I personally couldn’t wait to see the fallout from this chaos the next week. Unfortunately, with July 4th falling on a Tuesday, we had to actually wait two weeks before the next episode, and after all that time, what did we get? A big pile of blah. Kind of shocking considering that a) you’d think there’d be more fallout from the Tyler incident, and b) the kids went on vacation, which almost always leads to full-scale war (note the San Diego trip to Greece). Alas, all we got was a boring travelogue of Spain, punctuated with self-pitying scenes of Svetlana moping around in a hotel room. By far, this was the worst Real World vacation episode ever. Even the Austin kids managed to make things interesting thanks to a stupid Danny meltdown over Melinda saying she’d theoretically hook up with Prince William. Oh well. The good news was that the cast managed to stay in three hotels with nary a hurricane in sight, and that’s got to be an improvement, right?This week’s episode began where the last one left off: the tanning salon was to be closed down. Bummer. The roommates were sad for all of .3 seconds until Ricky announced that they were all going on vacation. Yay! Tanning salon? What tanning salon?
Tyler then proudly came on screen and announced, “Wherever STA Travel says we’re going to go, I’m going to embrace with open arms.” And by “open arms” he meant he’d write a nasty letter to STA Travel saying “You should have sent us to Italy, you low-life BITCH!”
Well, news of this impending vacation had everyone buzzing. Tyler and Janelle tried to guess where they’d be sent to — hopefully a country that would truly appreciate the artistry found in such modern classics as RED GOD. “We’re going to, like, Egypt!” Janelle surmised. She then added, “I wonder if Egypt needs a new personal relations director. I could be quite good.”
Meanwhile, Svetlana was curiously sad during all this excitement. She explained to us, “When you feel like you’re not getting along with anybody in the house and nobody likes you, no matter where you’re going, even if it’s space, you’re not gonna be excited.” Oh well. There goes the much-anticipated Real World space vacation plan.
Truthfully, I could understand Svetlana’s depression — the stuff she’s had to deal with from Janelle and Tyler has been horrendous. But then again, her inability to just say “Whatever, I’m going to enjoy this despite them” shows a general sense of self-pity, which pretty much sucks. Time to grow up, my little babushka.
A little later, Janelle wound up talking to Paula about Svetty in a restaurant, saying that when the two hang out, “I sort of feel like you’re isolating from everyone.” This, of course, was opposed to Janelle who NEVER isolated herself with someone like, oh, I don’t know, Tyler. Nevertheless, Paula noted that she hung out with Svetlana because she was younger and didn’t want her to feel alone. Furthermore, she didn’t want anyone to feel completely alone. We then cut to Svetlana at that moment standing completely alone in the same restaurant. Way to be on top of the whole “not leaving her alone” thing, PAULA.
After fun times in the restaurant, the kids then all returned to the house where they eagerly awaited the STA Travel reps. Eventually, they showed up, receiving a loud, hearty “HELLO!!!” from Jose. I hope they appreciated it. That was like two weeks worth of contributions from him.
Anyway, the roommies all gathered ’round to learn of their mystery destination. I think Tyler must have been expecting Transylvannia because he was randomly and inexplicably dressed in a cape.
Nevertheless, the plucky STA girl asked the group, “Have you guys ever heard of STA Travel?” No. NEVER. I mean, just because they’re plastered all over MTV and just because they send me newsletters every damn day, despite the fact that I’ve unsubscribed about twelve times, doesn’t mean that we’ve actually heard of STA Travel.
Well, after the girl did a little STA Travel spiel, she then asked the roommies if they had any guesses as to what was inside their “presents,” (a.k.a. STA Travel backpacks). The guesses came fast and furious:
“Tickets?”
“Books?”
“RED GOD??”
Okay, no one suggested that last one. Turns out what was in the bags were travel itineraries to beautiful Spain where the kids would be visiting Madrid, Seville, and Barcelona. Most excited was John who fully expected to see Penelope Cruz-esque women roaming the streets freely. I guess that would be a good thing if you’re into the wide-eyed, goofy-face look.
Suddenly, the roommates were on a plane and whoosh! We were in Spain! Let the drama begin! The gang all checked into a hotel (for the umpteenth time this season), and we learned that Paula and Svetlana would be staying in their own room, which just so happened to be an entire flight of stairs down from everyone else. This was excellent for Janelle who remarked, “Svetlana can get annoying at times… I’m just glad to be able to have peace and quiet away from her.” Hey, if you want to have peace and quiet, maybe you shouldn’t follow Tyler everywhere he goes. By the way, I like how Janelle is so thankful that Svetlana is on an entirely different floor, and yet at the same time, she still gets angry that Svetlana isolates herself from the group. It’s like saying, “Stop being so antisocial, but eww, don’t hang out with me.”
Believe it or not, this is the rommates hotel room.
Later on, as the roomies set out to do some sightseeing, Tyler told us that he wanted to show John that there’s more to Spain than booze and babes. He wanted to show him the old world culture. How delightfully patronizing and condescending! We then cut to John commenting, “I smell the horse poop.” Okay, maybe Tyler’s not totally off-base.
After a few hours of Tyler Magical Tour of Spain, John had revised many of his misconceptions about the country. “I thought it would be all dirt roads, people with like turbans and snake charmers,” he said, and while there was an extended period of Muslim rule in Spain, something tells me that’s not what John was referring to. John then added, “To think, all this time I thought Aladdin took place in Bilbao.”
That night, we found Svetlana on the phone with, you guessed it, Martin. That’s right. She was calling from Spain to Philly to talk with her sadsack boyfriend about who knows what. I’ve defended “Fitz” many times over the past recap and a half, but now I draw the line. This was ridiculous. Couldn’t she let him be for a few days? I mean, his dad just died. Give him some space. Let him hang out with his buddy who he’s not gay with but whose house he’ll spend the night at.
Well, Svetlana wasn’t calling Martin to share all the wonderful experiences she was having abroad. Instead, she was complaining. I didn’t know about what. Maybe it had to do with her feeling unloved. I don’t know. All I knew was that she was wasting this great chance to be enjoying Europe so that she could get into a stupid fight with Martin on the phone. LAME.
While Svetlana racked up a pricey little phone bill for MTV to pay, the rest of the crew headed out to the bars for a good ol’ fashioned night of partying. John managed to meet a German tourist named Lisa, and while she didn’t look like Penelope Cruz as previously expected, her Teutonic air more than made up for her lack of silly face. Before long, the sparks were flying between the two, especially once John began explaining what an SUV was. Ah, so romantic. I couldn’t even imagine what would have happened had he discussed Mr. Goodwrench. Lisa probably would have performed fellatio right there!
Actually, there was a reason why Lisa seemed completely unfazed by the stupid SUV small-talk. John explained that in America, you have to be on top of your game 100% so you don’t sound like an idiot, but in Europe, the people just expect you to sound like an idiot anyway — so why hold back? Wait — all this time he was holding back? Wow.
Later, we found Paula talking to Tyler and quietly bashing her good friend Svetlana. As you can imagine, this made Tyler happy from the bottom of his soul. He could barely contain his pleasure in having successfully turned Paula away from the dark side. Of course, he acted as if this were some breakthrough for Paula’s well-being, saying, “It’s really exciting to see Paula kind of become her own person.” But we all know that Tyler didn’t care about Paula becoming independent of Svetlana. He just wanted to see Svetty officially become the house outcast with nary a friend in sight.
We then headed inside a club where Johnny Bananas was making his move on Frau Lisa. This elicited cheers and applause from the rest of the roommates who watched from a safe but certainly visible distance. We then watched exciting footage of dancing! And drinking! And Europe! And… whoa! Were Jose and John making out? Oh, no. They were just whispering to each other.
Apparently Jose had found out that in Germany, one night stands are common, and he just wanted to let Johnny Bananas know this in case, you know, the banana needed some time to prepare. Faster than you can say Schlampe, we then found John and Lisa gettin’ real cozy in the hotel room. If I’m not mistaken, this was the farthest John had gotten with a girl without Paula swooping in with a cockblock. Huzzah!
“Way to go, Johnny Bananas!”
As the two committed the dirty deed, we then cut to commercial, and when we returned, we found Zach and Tyler engaging in some traditional “Let’s bother the guy having sex” fun. This meant that they kept poking their heads in John’s room (which used to be John, Tyler, and Zach’s room before Goldilocks moved in). Understandably, this pissed off John to no end, and he finally stuck his head out the door and snapped at his roommates. Meanwhile, Lisa’s portly friend May was left with little to do except stand around in the hallway while everyone either slept or had sex. Ah, such is the plight of the rotund sidekick.
Eventually, this European union came to an end. John gave Lisa a goodbye kiss and then she was off like der Fledermaus. The next day, it was off to beautiful Seville, and what better time for Jose to bust out his shiny new jumpsuit that just so happened to be the color of a giant blood clot?
Well, the kids all checked into their new hotel, which unlike the previous one, was all old fashioned and seemingly littered with antiques. We then watched as the kids toured the city, which was beautiful for them but boring for us. There was a neat little lesson about the Spanish Inquisition (yay!), and then the roommates’ tourguide took them down a narrow alley called The Street of the Kiss. Of course, this provided Svetlana the perfect opportunity to whine about how difficult it was for her to walk down that oh so romantic (read: dingy) pathway without having anyone to kiss. Oh, the travails of Fitz! Would the constant punishment of this cruel world ever relent???
Having endured the street of the kiss sans paramour, there was only one thing for Svetlana to do: call Martin. Again. Zach told her to get off the phone and enjoy the city, but she rebuffed him, explaining that she simply could not enjoy the city. Additionally, all her fighting with Martin was because of Tyler and Janelle and the way they treated her. Uh… okay. Eventually, everyone gave up on Svetlana and left her alone to call Martin and complain about the lint in her bellybutton. As we headed into the next commercial break, Paula noted that no matter what city Svetlana was in, she would still be unhappy. Much in the same way that no matter what city Paula was in, she’d still get wasted, bite someone’s arm, and yell “KISS MY ASS! KISS MY GODDAMN ASS!!”
After the break, we found the roommates in not-so-sunny Barcelona where Janelle and Tyler grappled with the intricacies of a public toilet. Janelle was completely awed by this machine, and she literally clawed her way to watch Tyler pee. I was kind of hoping that the automatic door would pin her down permanently, but then again, if that happened, we’d never get to hear any more stories about her follies as a personal relations woman. Nevertheless, Janelle noted that the toilet was not unlike the tanning booths at the salon, ultimately declaring, “It’s a Mystic Toilet!” I suppose that means that when you’re done taking a dump, you look like carrot-ginger soup.
Once their curiosity over public toilets had been sufficiently sated, the roommates then headed to the Olympic stadium where Tyler told us, “One of my passions are the Olympics.” How wonderful for him! He then noted that he would channel that passion into a new painting simply called “DEITY!!!” Actually, he didn’t say that, but he noted that the reason why he loved the Olympics so much was “because not only what it represents in sport, but what it represents in the human spirit.” He then released five doves from a cage, waved a flag, and stood on a mountaintop pensively. By the way, it’s really nice to see Tyler pontificating about the human spirit and the Olympics and whatnot. Clearly, he’s well-versed in the ideals of community, peace, respect, and love:
Anyway, Tyler proudly stood atop the Olympic stadium and soaked in the entire moment — a life’s dreams coming true. If only he could have started a Burn Book about the stadium. Then, and only then, would that moment have been perfect.
Paula then weighed in with her deep thoughts of the day, saying “Coming to Spain, it makes me feel worldly.” And I’m sure she truly appreciated that worldliness just last week when she was posing for her latest photo:
Later on, the kids all gathered in a square to learn how to flamenco dance — something that I’m sure Tyler was so PROUD to do because he could get into the FLAMENCO SPIRIT. It actually looked like a lot of fun, but sourpuss Svetlana was not about to let a trifling activity get in the way of her pity party. She refused to participate, saying that it was entirely too hot out. “Looks like Svetlana has a little bit of an attitude, said Janelle, a woman known for her placid demeanor and warm, welcoming disposition…
Well, just because the rain in Spain falls mainly on the Svetlana didn’t mean that everyone else was going to miss out on the flamenco. The rest of the roommates gladly partnered up with some professionals and learned some of the basics. In no time, everyone was dancing like a pro, and Tyler was even dazzling us with his flamenco pit stains. To be fair, Svetlana did eventually join in and shocker, she had a good time. There was even a smile! This afternoon was turning out to be flamenco-tastic!
Suddenly, we were at the final dinner where the roommates were all toasting to Spain. Yes, the trip was ending. Any Real World viewer knows it’s never a good sign when a vacation can be contained in one pithy half hour. Nevertheless, the roommates certainly had a grand time on their sojourn, and Paula commented, “Spain is a great introduction to traveling. I don’t know where I’m gonna go next, but I’m definitely gonna keep going.” I think I know where Paula is going. She is going directly to jail. She will not pass Go or collect $200 either.
After dinner, the kids all returned to their hotel, and as they walked back, Paula, Zach, and John talked about how Svetlana really needed therapy or counseling or something. Unfortunately, as the three gabbed about this in the stairwell, Svetlana was quietly listening in several floor above. Uh oh. More eavesdropping! This would surely lead to drama. Sure enough, Svetty became upset and told us, “Why is it necessary to talk about me? Just why?” Because Svetlana has NEVER spoken about anyone behind their backs?
Still, even though she was annoyed, Svetlana didn’t blow up like Paula or Tyler have in the past. Instead, she just internalized everything and fueled her self-pity. And with that, the episode essentially came to a close — although, not before John reflected, “This is all going to seem like one big, amazing dream.” Oh really? Were you asleep too?
What did you think about this episode?
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Boring episode. Recap was great though. Did anyone else notice in the picture where it says “Believe it or not this is their hotel room” it looks like John is touching Janelle’s boob? Stlevana annoys me. Why was Jose holding John so close? and then kissed him?? Wierd.
“By the way, it’s really nice to see Tyler pontificating about the human spirit and the Olympics and whatnot. Clearly, he’s well-versed in the ideals of community, peace, respect, and love.”
Followed by image of Tyler’s letter to Svetlana.
Beautifully done, B-Side. I was rolling…
I was watching the millions of re-runs MTV does over the weekend. Paula’s on there commenting how the relationship between her and Keith was just beginning. All I kept thinking of was that booking photo, with her mascara smeered.
AHHH PAULA, HAVE YOU LEARNED NOTHING!?
When I saw this recap, I thought “did I miss an episode?” and then realized it just wasn’t that memorable. Not that traveling to Spain is boring- just WATCHING other people travel to Spain.
“I think Tyler must have been expecting Transylvannia because he was randomly and inexplicably dressed in a cape.” Now, now, B-Side- Tyler is a gay man so a cape is never random or inexpicable.
This ep was pretty boring, but I was so happy to get my Real World fix for the week! Some thoughts
1. I was soo annoyed by Svet’s antics. She completely ruined a wonderful trip by acting so immature. But it got me thinking…is Martin such a controlling a-hole that he will not let Svet have any kind of fun without him, or is it all in her head, and she soo stuck on him that she refuses to allow herself to have fun. ahhh immature teenage relationships at their best!
2. Tyler’s “Olympic Spirit” speech was the biggest crock I have heard in a while. Add to that his “olympic rainy moment” and together you have one hell of a b-s moment!
3. John’s explanation of SUV’s was pretty sad. Is that really the best “game” he could come up with?!?! Wow, and it worked so well on the bimbos from back home!
4. Why was Zach wearing an Italia sweatshirt–in Spain. Lame!
tyler is so infuriating! how old he is…? 13?
I spent my junior yr of college in madrid so i definitely noticed how out-of-order they edit the show… first they were in madrid, then it showed them on a carriage ride through sevilla, then back in madrid, in barcelona, and finally in sevilla learning how to dance flamenco. This episode was exciting to me, only to see places i had been before (like the hotel they stayed at in sevilla. woo!) , definitely not because svetlana had to call martin while on vacation and in a foreign country…
Svetlana’s going to regret being such a sourpuss while she was in Spain. Even if she didn’t want to be around her roommates, she could have gone off and played tourist on her own instead of sitting in her hotel room. Sheesh.
I can’t believe there wasn’t a mention of Zach/John (I can’t tell which one) commenting, “This reminds me of Romeo and Juliet.” Yeah. Except it didn’t take place in Spain, IDIOT.
Surprised no one commented on how lame that club was in Madrid. The place was EMPTY. It was just the RW kids and the Frauleines.
Awesome recap B-Side as always.
Jaime13iv, I also lived in Madrid my jr. year and definitely caught the out of order editing. This episode made me miss Spain very much, and the Real Worlders did not live it up as much as they could have…lame.
This might have even been one of the worst episodes of the season.
It was SO DULL.
Comments #7 and #8…..I thought about those too! I forgot to mention the cheap Madrid Club and the “Romeo and Juliet” reference.
lame!
B-side, you also should have mentioned when svetlana said that her mother told her spain was a very romantic CITY…really, spain is a city? I was always taught it was a country…but what do I know?
Very dull episode… I am disappointed that Svetty was such a recluse for the ENTIRE vacation… She provided the perfect opportunity for Tyler to turn the other roommates against her… Looking forward to tomorrow’s episode… Looks like John tells Tyler off… Somebody needs to put that self-rightous cunthole in his place!
Tyler is Scooter! Proof!
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/alligatorwings/TylerisScooter.jpg
Me too–that episode shows why Europeans hate us and think Americans are all a bunch of tools. “I like, love Spain–I feel like, all so international-like and stuff…” I betcha half of the cast couldn’t even locate Spain on a map! And then John goes around and introduces himself to everyone as “John of the bananas” in Spanish. They probably thought it was his way of telling them he’s gay! I WISH! Poor dumb frat boy… LOL
Me too–that episode shows why Europeans hate us and think Americans are all a bunch of tools. “I like, love Spain–I feel like, all so international-like and stuff…” I betcha half of the cast couldn’t even locate Spain on a map! And then John goes around and introduces himself to everyone as “John of the bananas” in Spanish. They probably thought it was his way of telling them he’s gay! I WISH! Poor dumb frat boy… LOL
By the way, it’s really nice to see Tyler pontificating about the human spirit and the Olympics and whatnot. Clearly, he’s well-versed in the ideals of community, peace, respect, and love.
LOL–yeah RIGHT! Tyler is a muppet-mouthed joke. He’s at the Gay Games this week, getting all the attention and adulation his participation affords him–the athletics are just a means to an end! But he definitely gets a gold medal for Attention Queendom.
I wonder if he really believes he is a person deep spiritual person with character….? Somehow based on his behavior on RW, many would beg to differ…
I have to go to bat for Svet on this episode.
Justified or not,those too bitches Janelle and Tyler have gone out of their way to make Svet feel completely stupid, inadequate, and inferior by their constant criticism. Anything she says or does warrants them raking her over the coals. And then to go on vacation with someone like that–and to totally out of your element in another country? I think anyone would have trouble feeling comfortable enough to let go and enjoy themselves.
I mean, think about it–imagine being on vacation abroad with a small group of people, and you can’t say or do ANYTHING without a couple of bitches pouncing on it and using it to bash you. As a result you are more guarded–and then they have the gall to criticize her because you’re withdrawn and not joining in the fun? WTF?????????
Svet might be a lot of things, but she’s young and immature. Eventually she’ll grow up and grow out of it. But Tyler and Janelle are older and should know better. I’m sure their attitude and behavior explains why THEY are the single ones. If they are so much smarter an superior-where’s THEIR men????
Sounds like relations–”personal” or public–is definitely not their strong point!
Re: empty club–they probably were out really early. Most clubs in Spain and many other countries don’t get started until 11 since they don’t have to close at 2 a.m. like in the States. They were probably there at like 8 p.m. LOL
The episode seemed dull (I was busy not paying attention when it was on), but at least tonight everyone turns on Tyler. Except maybe Janelle.
Svetlana is just immature; hopefully she’ll go to college and get a little more exposure to different kinds of people other than the head-cases, idiots and narcissists she is currently surrounded by.
I kind of have to stick up for Svetlana. Yeah, she was moping around, and she talks behind people’s backs, but she never throws her issues onto other people, she just asks to be left alone when she’s in a bad mood. Tyler and Janelle, and some of the others to a lesser extent, bitch at everyone else when they’ve got a problem.
Svetlana’s immature, but at least she’s only putting money in her own therapist’s pocket, and not fueling anyone else’s psychosis.
This episode proved why some countries think Americans are idiots. Because a good number of them are. The # of stupid things John says in this episode is countless, “I was expecting dirt roads and snake charmers..”, “This reminds me of Romeo and Juliet”. Has this 23-year-old never taken a history class, seen a map, or anything? Give me a break.
And, yes, it’s very obvious to see that Janelle & Tyler go out of their way to make Fitz feel isolated and stupid. Janelle talking to Paula about her, & Tyler “being glad Paula’s now an individual” are big evidence to that. Tyler is full of such bullshit anyway. Like B-Side said, he’s not happy that she’s her own person, he’s happy that Fitz no longer has a partner in crime. Like,oh I don’t know, him. Ever since that first week, Janelle has been his fag hag. And he wants to talk about isolating people??
I’m so glad he gets told off by his roommates tonight too. Because, except for maybe Zach & Jose, he talks about everyone behind their backs. Even Janelle( that night he was with his hometown friends). He’s so pathetic. I hate him.
P.S. I may be going crazy, but I thought I heard and saw two things in this episode. When they were all in the confessional, did Fitz say “We’re going to see some dirty Spaniards”? And did Jose actually kiss John on the cheek?
Katella, I too was hoping B-Side would mention Svetty’s comment about Spain being a romantic CITY!!! Maybe that’s why she never left the hotel–she kept thinking, “After we leave Spain, maybe we’ll hit another place…after all The Real World isn’t so cheap just to send us to ONE CITY so Spain can’t be it!”
Alligatorwings –
Tyler is at the Gay Games? Is he competing or just here as a “celebrity?” I will happily attend an event to heckle him!
He’s participating–would he go for any other reason but to be in the spotlight? I’m sure he wears a flowered swim cap so his frosted locks aren’t damaged! Maybe he can be Lance Bass’s new boyfriend!
http://www.chicagofreepress.com/news/index.html
I love this quote:
Besides the athletics, Duckworth is looking forward to hanging out in Chicago with friends and enjoying the city.
“Maybe I’ll meet a guy,” he says. “I haven’t had the best luck. I’m really a nice guy, so spread the word.”
Gee–really? You mean they aren’t lining up to be at your side??? Go figure!
Mini rant –
I’m so sick of everybody excusing Svetlana’s ways by saying she’s young. I’m a year younger than her and my friends and I don’t act anywhere near as immature as she does. When do we stop blaming her behavior on her age and her upbringing and starting blaming her? 19 is old enough to know how to ignore poeple if they bother you, how to tell the truth when you’re caught and how to stand up for yourself. It’s people like Fitz that make people think my whole generation is immature.
Now that that’s done, did anybody read the Watch with Kristen thing on E! online where she talked to Tyler? Here it is: http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/Archive2006/060714.html
A few interesting details:
“Omigod! They have edited me into America’s Next Top Gay Villain!”…”It’s been terrible! People are sending me the worst hate mail. But the thing is, Svetlana made up the whole thing about the burn book. She never saw it. The book they showed is actually a clip book I have of Michelle Kwan news articles and stuff.”
“According to Tyler, Svetlana was in tears because she was busted for talking smack about Tyler and Janelle, and when they called her on it, she used the fabled burn book as justification. “She pretended to be upset about the burn book in order to save face. The funny part is, I actually showed her the burn book at one point, because nothing really mean is in there. It was just about weird things she’d said, and I also have a page in it, as do Paula and Zach and Janelle. Svetlana’s just always playing the victim.”"
About talking to Fitz’s mom:
“”The fact of the matter is, I never said anything mean to her. Anyone who overheard someone’s mom say ‘Oh, they were probably molested and beaten as children. They’re lowlifes. They’re just jealous of you,’ would want to defend themselves, too. And that’s all I did.”"
And by “open arms” he meant he’d write a nasty letter to STA Travel saying “You should have sent us to Italy, you low-life BITCH!”
good line!
I actually thought Svetlana handled the situation pretty well. With as hard as Tyler and Janelle have been on here and now that even Paula has in a way turned on her, she could have easily had a little meltdown on their trip.
I don’t think anyone is excusing Svetlana for her behavior. I think that it is just that it makes more sense for her to behave as she does, given her age.
As for Tyler:
That’s right. Tyler blames it all on the editing. “They make us into characters,” he insists. “They wanted Svetlana to be the sexy girl, John to be the hot frat guy and me to be the conniving, gay villain. It’s just sad because they’re perpetuating this stereotype that gay guys are evil and mean.”
No Tyler–YOU are perpetuating the gay stereotype–not The Real World producers!
I hate when reality people blame all their bad behavior on editing. Granted, I am sure that happened. Tyler is a bitchy queen and a HUGE narcissist. One of the biggest characteristics of a narcissist is the extent they will go to in order to lie and blame others for their own bad behavior. They can’t take responsibility, so it’s easier to tell lies and blame those around them, the situation, etc.
Common characteristics of someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder–this describes a LOT of reality stars!
1. An exaggerated sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love)
3. Believes he is “special” and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. Requires excessive admiration
5. Has a sense of entitlement
6. Selfishly takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends
7. Lacks empathy
8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him
9. Shows arrogant, haughty, patronizing, or contemptuous behaviors or attitudes
No one mentioned that John said “¡Viva España!” which means “Live Spain”
Yeah, that makes sense.
Michelle Kwan articles??? LOL LOL LOL
“If only he could have started a Burn Book about the stadium. Then, and only then, would that moment have been perfect.” Favorite line – so funny B-Side!!
Actually Viva Espana is the only thing he said that was correct. It literally means long live Spain, but here it’s more like “YAY SPAIN!” What sucked was his choppy overanunciation:
VEE! VA! EH! ESPAH! NYA!!!!!!!
He probably read it somewhere on the airplane on the way over…and spent the entire trip memorizing that one phrase!
Actually Viva Espana is the only thing he said that was correct. It literally means long live Spain, but here it’s more like “YAY SPAIN!”
Ah, thanks for correcting me.
Hey alligatorwings, once again – I agree with everything you posted! I hope the casts read TVgasm, I think they would be very surprised to see how the world perceives them.
I am definitely sympathetic to Svetlana. If I had to spend time with a group of people who went out of their way to isolate and denigrate me, I would NOT enjoy myself, regardless of location. Svetlana’s withdrawal from the group is normal, and actually a pretty healthy response to a situation she can’t control.
Svetlana doesn’t really come off as overly immature to me; she doesn’t get out of control drunk, she doesn’t create a lot of melodrama, she doesn’t treat anyone with a lack of respect. Most of her worst moments seem to be when she is reacting to being treated like crap.
She has acted as a genuine friend to Paula, she’s handled Tyler pretty well – certainly better than most of the others do, John and Zach seem to like her. When she’s not under attack, she actually has a pretty good sense of humor about herself. Seriously, who cares if Svet says off the wall things? I know a lot of people who exaggerate stories about their lives, I’ve never felt the need to completely destroy them – and BTW, their stories are usually pretty entertaining, which is kind of the point.
I was completely disgusted, but not surprised, when Paula started to turn on Svetlana. Typical Borderline bullshit, she is exploiting Svetlana’s situation to bring the focus back on to herself. I hated watching her simper and suck up to Tyler, Janelle, John and Zach – she’s a self-serving asshole. Yeah, Paula’s definitely in the best position to judge ANY ONE else’s mental health. I can’t recall a single time Svetlana judged Paula, or acted as anything less than a supportive friend – Paula is a fuckweasel.
I love Johnny Bananas, but c’mon! Dirt roads, snake charmers? I’m surprised he doesn’t refer to all people of Latin background as CostaGautaMexiRicans. Hey John, Spain was actually in the Americas kicking ass, and changing the face of culture on entire continent long before 1776 – remember Columbus? He was funded by Spain!
Fuckwits.
It’s cool Andrew–it makes more sense in John’s case to think he would say something in Spanish that made no sense! Does that make sense? LOL
He’s a big dork–but if he knocks Tyler’s tiny dick in the dirt tonight on the show, he’ll be my hero!!!!!
VEE! VA! WAN DE LOS PLA-TA-NOS!!!! LOL
Cool post, Cheez!!! I want to respond, but have to meet someone for dinner!
Will respond ASAP!
In the meantime, would be curious to hear your response to Tyler blaming his entire negative portrayal on editing!!!!!!! LOL
Katella, I too was hoping B-Side would mention Svetty’s comment about Spain being a romantic CITY!!! Maybe that’s why she never left the hotel–she kept thinking, “After we leave Spain, maybe we’ll hit another place…after all The Real World isn’t so cheap just to send us to ONE CITY so Spain can’t be it!”
LOL–OMG Rach–I totally missed this! LOL!!! Too funny!!!!!!! And she probably thought they were where Brazil is–since it’s the biggest country in South America–it MUST be Spain! LOL
JerseyGirl,
I don’t think that everyone is trying to use Svetlana’s age as an excuse for her actions, but people do mature at different ages. If you, at 18, are already a mature adult, then kudos to you. However, many people are not that mature at 18 (Exhibit A: Any college campus in the U.S.).
Chee-Z-TeeVee Addict,
“Fuckweasel” is my new mantra. Thank you.
Hi alligatorwings!
I am not surprised Tyler blamed everything on editing. Like every bully, he backs right down when confronted. I’m sure his poison pen letter to Svetlana was unfairly portrayed as well. He apparently has enough smarmy charm to finesse the woman from E! Online, who never asked him why he couldn’t just leave Svetlana alone, and agree to disagree.
He STILL manages to continue to trash Svetlana, AND her mother. I’ll bet the RW producers laughed in his face when he confronted them about how they edited his screen-time. Uh, yeah Tyler we edited your footage to make you look like a bitch, because you ARE a bitch. Bitch. BTW thanks for providing us with a LOT of material to work with!
Did you watch tonight’s episode? Tyler was resplendent in all his NPD glory – you’ll love it! He employs the ever-popular “hoover” manuever to suck everyone into his self-serving, self-centered, pity-party; and once again deftly side-steps taking ANY responsibility for being a screaming asshole.
Hi, sugarshane12!
Much as I’d love to take credit for your new mantra, I have to be honest: I lifted “fuckweasel” from an episode of Huff (Season 1), I thought it was the BEST use of an expletive with an animal EVER!
Hey Cheez”as usual, you are dead on!
I just watched tonight’s episode and to say it pissed me off would be an understatement.
What a manipulating liar”the bullshit meter was off the chart tonight!
This one especially hit home for me, since being ditched by a narcissist who didn’t want to be inconvenienced or bothered”and rather counted on follow-up lies, excuses, and ultimate forgiveness”which was his M.O.
My experience was being left waiting outside a concert for three hours in the summer heat by someone just like Tyler. When I finally borrowed a cell phone and called him, he had not only lost the tickets, but didn’t want to be bothered with Berkeley traffic to come and let me know”and instead just drove into SF to hang out with his friends! He told me if I drove into the city”another hour or so drive in heavy traffic”he’d buy me dinner. I told him to fuck off. Later he gave me a lame apology via email, but followed up by saying that he had lost out on all his money (the tickets), and that it was my fault because I didn’t have a cell phone. This was just one of many previous incidences of selfish disrespect and ludicrous justifications, so with this one I just wrote him off. I FINALLY learned my lesson. This reality hit home even more when I found out that as soon as I talked to him and told him to fuck off, he just moved on to hang out with his friends. According to the person, as soon as he hung up, it was like the whole problem never happened”like he’d switched channels on a TV. If I had done that to someone, I would have felt so guilty. But for narcissists, people are just toys”and when they break”you throw them out and get new ones. Like he used to tell me regarding other friends he f-ked over””If they can’t get over it, then they weren’t really friends to begin with.” Yeah”they weren’t really friends EVER”it just them a while to figure it out.
I hope Tyler’s performance tonight is as transparent to others as it was to me. John was totally right in his reaction”and for him to be characterized as some bastard for raising his voice and getting angry was total BS. Tyler is a manipulative piece of shit, deflecting accountability by manipulating John with stories of supposed prior family “abuse”, sentimentality of “the brother he never had”, crocodile tears, etc. Notice how everything out of his mouth is a justification and not an acceptance of any him being out of line in any way. He never apologizes to Jose or gives John anything but an assful of BS that rationalizes his selfish, self-centered behavior. I felt sorry for John because his normal human emotions and empathy got totally hijacked. I am sure that after the big fake hug Tyler left the room and laughed to himself for a long time¦¦¦
C’est la vie in the life of someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder!
This episode pissed me off to no end.
It was very disappointing to see Jose and John let Tyler off the hook that easily. Are we missing something here, guys, or is Jose really that afraid of falling out with the roommate he’s closest to in the house? And why does John apologize to Tyler for speaking to him in a manner he MORE than deserved? Does John really believe he should tiptoe around Tyler and his bullshit because Tyler has had family problems? Give me a break! Why is it that no one in the house will let Tyler know that he is full of shit and needs to get over himself? I don’t know about you guys, but I feel a little silly for ranting about Tyler’s narcissism when no one in the house will stand up to him.
It was also infuriating to watch Svetlana extend an olive branch to Janelle. Svetty basically apologized to the bitch. For what? For her mother comforting her when Janelle was mean to her? Come on! No one has apologized to Svetlana for the burn book! And why does Svetty insist that she can learn so much from Janelle? So the bitch is good at winning arguments. So what? So you want her to teach you how to win arguments without raising your voice? That’s easy. Just deflect all responsibility for your actions, never admit that you’re wrong, and most importantly, believe your sanctimonious bullshit!
Tyler and Janelle make me sick! Everyone else in the house make me angry for putting up with them. What an infuriating season! What a disappointing follow-up to an episode that should have led to two resident narcissists exposed and isolated!
I agree–that BS scene with Janelle is total horseshit as well. Janelle’s philosophy about friendship is totally one-sided. I think Svet just felt so ganged up on–and since everyone else in the house are such pussies and wimp out–she felt like she had to take the blame and kiss her ass to survive. Essentially she was saying, “Janelle, I’m sorry if I defended myself from your bitchy bullshit. Please forgive me so we can be friends!”
Tyler and Janelle are a couple of “c”s. Sorry ladies, but here, I think that word fits…
I feel kind of bad talking about the new episode before B-Side’s recap, but I am unabashedly obsessed with this show!
I always hate it when a cast-member says or does something completely unacceptable, then slithers out of it by claiming trauma from the past (Robin, San Diego).
Boo hoo, Tyler. Maybe your brother is a prick to you because you’ve always been a manipulative, mean-spirited, attention whore. I’ll bet a LOT of people didn’t/don’t like you, and not because your gay – but because you’re a sick, sadistic asshole.
I think that after Svetlana heard Paula turning against her in Spain, she realized that she lost her only friend in the house. I think she talked to Janelle because Janelle’s become the pivoltal power in the house – Janelle has maintained relationships with everyone. I also think Svetlana’s just trying to survive, although I hated watching her apologize to Janelle too.
Janelle is one of the dumbest people to be on this show. She’s so egotistical and dense, she just ate it up when Svet was flattering her into a truce. If I savaged another person for weeks at a time, and they responded by telling me how much they admired me – I’d be worried (theme from psycho playing in my head)!
I agree with the Can’t Understand Normal Thinking reference alligatorwings! No offense taken here – if the shoe fits, as they say…
We should trade tales sometimes alligatorwings! My BPD person actually intercepted my email, and then used it to harrass my friends and family, and stalk me online – where they happened upon my participation on the Welcome to Oz forums talking about them! LOL! (It actually wasn’t funny at the time, it was scary.)
That concert incident sounds awful! Tyler ditching Jose at the gym must have really resonated with you. The aspect of that, that really bothered me was that no one addressed the fact that Tyler’s action wasn’t just inconsiderate, he put Jose into a potentially dangerous situation. Key West is overrun with drug-runners, dealers and junkies – walking along an island highway at night is very risky!
Johnny Bananas is basically a nice guy, he let Tyler off the hook because he doesn’t have any experience with Narcissists – he’s just trying to make sense of Tyler’s actions. Jose should have stood up for himself – he had a right to be angry, and Tyler would not have been able to defend himself.
I feel bad writing about the show before the recap too, but i am a little too hooked into the show this season. I don’t think Tyler’s action was that bad this week. He made a mistake about not picking up Jose and he said that he felt badly about it. What more can he do than admit he was wrong? Also, there were car issues in that the other roommates had it until much later than expected and we don’t know how far the gym was from the house, maybe the roommates have walked there sometimes when they had limited car access – none of us were there and do not know what really happened. In his argument with John, it looked like John didn’t bring it up at the best time and it was something between Tyler and Jose. Also, as an aside, when you are going to approach someone with a criticism, you should think rationally about what you are going to say. I think John has good intentions and has been a good friend to most of the roommates, but he also doesn’t think deliberately before approaching a somewhat sensitive situation (his actions with Paula and with Janelle) and that is something he should work on if he wants to be more effective and taken seriously. I laughed at his comment about picturing Spain as practically a desert; but it really isn’t funny for someone his age to say something so ignorant. (It’s like Janelle’s ‘personal relations’
)
Ah, the voice of reason. I agree with you ncgirl. While Tyler should have left the restaurant to pick up Jose, the others were equally at fault since they got there 40 minutes late.
John’s behavior later was completely wrong. Since Jose and Tyler had worked it out, what business was it of his to jump on Tyler? Not to mention in such a nasty and immature way. If the situation was reversed and Tyler had yelled at John, would all of you say John deserved it? And if Jose and John want to forgive Tyler and Svetty wants to bond with Janelle, why do you all care? It’s not going to affect your lives. I think we all need to remember that editing plays a big part in these shows. And not just what they show and how they show it but what doesn’t get shown.
Also I don’t think Paula turned on Svetty in Spain. She was concerned about Svetty not being happy. And she expressed those concerns with Zach and John, two Svetty positive people so to speak, not Tyler and Janelle, the Svetty negative people.
Anyway, B-side needs to get up the next recap so we can talk about it in the “proper” place.
Did Tyler ever really apologize to Jose? I didn’t watch closely enough, but it seemed like Tyler was only just putting up to with Jose’s polite little outrage. He almost looked bored. Hmmm..looks like neither logic or yelling can get through to Tyler…
I don’t have a problem with posting here–last week’s recap was only posted Sunday, so I’d rather not wait a week to discuss the show. Can’t wait to read it, though…
Honestly, I am sick of reality people defending shitty behavior with abuse or minority status. It seems like that Paula kind of set that standard with the show, so basically you can be a total asshole and when you get called on it, instead of having some integrity and just owning it, you break into a diatribe, explaining it away with stories of an abusive homelife, phyiscal/emotional abuse, eating disorders, growing up poor, gay, a person of color, etc. It just seems like the customary free pass. Whatever happened to just owning your shit and saying you are sorry? If these people can be so conscious of the past, why don’t they focus on not allowing it to determine (or ruin) their future? Somehow I think it’s more about a scapegoat for personal BS. I’d have more respect for someone owning up to making a mistake or being a jerk than I would listening to some sob story about how I was a selfish asshole because someone laughed at my pink bike when I was six years old. We all have stories, but it shouldn’t give any of us a free pass to treat people badly or disrespect them.
My comment wasn’t really directed at you TVgasm readers as much as at the people over at IMDb, but since logic doesn’t really exist on their boards there’s really no point it trying to argue it over there. Everything is basically explained away by Svet being hot. “Oh, she set a puppy on fire? It’s ok, cuz she’s hot. But wait, did Tyler just say something mean to her? ASSHOLE!”
Moving on….in last night’e episode I think everyone (with the exception of Jose) was to blame. Tyler definitely should have left as soon as they got there, but everybody else should have been ready on time if they knew he needed the car to pick up Jose. The first 10 minutes of the show was everybody talking about making sure everybody else knew the plan, but look what happens when they tried to put the plan in action.
I know my opinion will probably change next week but for right now John = prick. He was so obviously trying to pick a fight with Tyler in the kitchen (over some dishes and stray aluminum foil, no less) and then when Tyler asked him if it was about last night he flips out on him.
I agree with zevonia, yeah Tyler was wrong but if he worked it out with Jose why was he so pissed? John just wanted to mad, even if it had nothing to do with him.
Zevonia — I’ll agree that John’s manner in yelling at Tyler was not the best approach, but I think he had every right to at least say something to him. After all, JOHN had to leave the dinner because Tyler refused to go get Jose, therefore messing up his evening. Also, why do people care about Svet & Janelle, etc..?? Well, why do YOU care that people care? Is it affecting your life?
General question — why didn’t they all swing by the the gym on the way to the resturaunt, pick up Jose, then let him take the car back home once they got there, and have him return to pick them up later?
I think John was completely within his rights to confront Tyler. The issue did not reside 100% between Jose and Tyler at that point, because John felt compelled to meet Tyler’s (failed) obligation. John made a value judgement about choosing to do what he felt was ethical and moral. Tyler does not appear to possess either of these qualities.
The show opened with Tyler having a complete hissy fit about Paula and Svetlana being late to pick HIM up – why does Tyler think he has the right to expect consideration from other people, when he doesn’t extend it to others. He unloaded an unwanted obligation onto someone else, and put a friend in a potentially dangerous situation – for no good reason. He had a choice between having a good time or being a good friend – he chose the good time. He didn’t even show enough courtesy toward Jose to call him, and offer to split the cost of a cab. What else do you need to know about him?
I don’t think John acted immature at all, I think Tyler did. I don’t think anyone in that house, except Janelle, is comfortable with Tyler’s behavior. Svetlana, Zack, John, and Paula have all tacitly acknowledged that they are uncomfortable with the way Tyler treats people.
I am willing to bet that a good part of John’s anger toward Tyler is based on the cumulative effect of Tyler’s disruptive and nasty behavior toward others. Tyler and Paula are BOTH sick people, and they BOTH keep the house in constant turmoil – any sane person would need to draw the line at some point. John let Tyler off way too easily, and for that matter so did Jose. How would Tyler have reacted had Svetlana not picked him up, and he had to walk home? I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have had any patience for an explanation involving past traumatic events.
Paula absolutely DID turn on Svetlana in Spain. Svetlana has stood behind Paula without exception, through ALL of her whacked-out bullshit. She has never judged her behavior, and has acted as a good friend. She deserves credit for that. Paula knows that Svetlana is being abused by Tyler and Janelle, yet Paula still sits and passively listens to them trash her friendship with her. This woman is 24 years old, and a college graduate – she doesn’t know how to say “Look, she’s my friend. My friendship with Svetlana is NOT taking anything away from my time with you – get over it.”? Paula has NO right to comment on the status of Svetlana’s state of mind – especially since she doesn’t seem to want to support her in any meaningful way. Svetlana is understandably depressed due to external circumstances she can’t control, she doesn’t have a mental problem.
People on the blog are defending Svetlana because she is being victimized. Whatever her idiosyncracies, or personality quirks are, she is not hurting anyone. She is VERY attractive, but that doesn’t seem to be something she uses to avoid taking responsibility for anything. Tyler’s problem with Svetlana is pathological, all she wants him to do is leave her alone – she’s NOT asking for his attention. He can’t seem to stay away from her. What’s that about?
Re. Tyler and his “evil editing” cries: While I have my own opinions of Tyler (which I won’t even bother expressing, since many people here have pretty much already done so for me :p), I will give him this: the book they showed with his stuff, the one they implied was the one Svetlana saw, was NOT the same book that he, Janelle and Jose were writing in originally. The original “Burn Book” was green and had a bunch of random photos or doodles on it that I couldn’t make out, while the one laying with his stuff was either dark blue or black and had a (lovely) photo of Shayla Worley pasted on the front. I do not, however, discount the possibility that he could have had multiple (maybe even many) books in which he had written shit about Svetlana. Just, MTV sucks at editing lol.
I personally did not like the way Paula seemed to be running around Spain psychoanalysing Svetlana either. John is not always pro-Svetlana, he has been plenty hard on her too (John just gets really angry when he is irritated with people I think, and he usually says mean things he will later regret). I actually thought he was being rather judgemental in the conversations he and Paula had about Svetlana. Zach seemed to me to be the only person who was actually concerned about Svetlana being very obviously upset. Well, and Jose with his major contribution of how he felt bad for her because she felt left out. It made me kind of sad for her, to see her waste away such a wonderful opportunity because of these other people, but at the same time I know that I would almost surely react the same way.
About the Spain-city thing, I know Svetlana has said some off-the-wall things, but when I first heard this bit, I had to wonder if it wasn’t just bad editing, that maybe between “I’ve never been to Spain” and “My mother’s been there” she said something about one of the cities they were visiting. She may well have called Spain a city, but I never trust those confessionals lol… MTV really butchers them up. Just something I was thinking about when I was watching the show
. I’ve really begun to like this website… it has me literally rolling sometimes, not only from BSide’s very witty recaps, but also many of the comments that are made.
I was a selfish asshole because someone laughed at my pink bike when I was six years old. We all have stories, but it shouldn’t give any of us a free pass to treat people badly or disrespect them.
Posted by: alligatorwings
You had a pink bike?? *laughs cruely*
This reminds me of Mystic Tan/Ginger Carrot Tyler:
http://www.laughingplace.com/files/columns/Toon20020219/peterpan.jpg
No–the pink bike is Tyler’s–actually it was originally Svetlana’s but he made her feel so bad for having one since he didn’t (kind of like his vagina envy on the show) that she gave it to him. LOL
LOL on Ginger Tyler/Peter Pan!
I’m still convinced he’s channeling Scooter from The Muppet Show!
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j96/alligatorwings/TylerisScooter.jpg
Cheez–we are definitely on the same page in regards to the show! Everything you say is right on in my opinion.
In regards to John–he was pissed, and was trying to hold back–but Tyler kept pushing and pushing and forcing the issue til he exploded. Yeah–even though what he said about Tyler was true, it was probably not the most constructive thing to say. But in my opinion, he asked for it. I think he felt like Jose pussed out and didn’t read Tyler the riot act like he should have. I would have been just as pissed if I had went through all of that trouble and concern for someone and then have that person not follow up accordingly. John may be a dork sometimes, but I think he is the most “real” of the people on the show. However, he got SERIOUSLY played by Tyler on last night’s show!
For me, the evidence of Tyler’s complete lack of ethics and integrity is in how he could sit there at that dinner party (which sounded like a free meal, since I got the impression Zach’s parents paid) and have fun, oblivious to the fact that Jose was waiting for him in front of that ghetto gym. I got the impression he would have rather ignore the situation and deal with the consequences–oh wait–there are none when it comes to Tyler–I forgot..
it wasn’t his fault–it was the editing–or because someone yelled at him when he was four..or because he had an eating disorder…or it might have just been his gay angst–which excuse for my bad behavior do you prefer?
LOL alligatorwings. I got the same impression, that Zach’s parents footed the bill for the dinner, and I was also rather disturbed by Tyler’s behavior. Those were my exact thoughts.
Tyler DOES look like Scooter! Especially in the side by side comparison! hee hee!
Fetita–yeah–I thought at first he wasn’t going to the dinner—but then, there he was–and couldn’t be pulled away to go pick up Jose. Then, he’s thanking parents for the wonderful dinner. Sounds like when it came to free food he changed his tune about going–and didn’t want to miss out. Go figure!
Cheez–he totally has a muppet mouth—and then the spray tan gives him a total Scooter hue! Too funny!
Did anyone else catch the Svetlana/Tyler clip from this week on Overdrive? Very interesting.
Yeah–I did. I’m sure glad Tyler took a moment out of his valuable time to tell her he was hurt and doesn’t hold the whole thing against her. His only concession is that he could’ve done a better job being nice to her? Is that an apology? Svet was pretty mature about it, and even though I felt she had a right to be angry–and deserved an apology for that book–she minimized it and gave him the benefit of the doubt. I felt like it was more about him saving face and not looking like a raging bitch than really feeling bad. It won’t be long until he pulls the rug out from under her again!
I also saw the John/Tyler fight again, and it was totally Tyler’s fault. John kept trying to say he didn’t want to talk about it and avoid a confrontation, and Tyler was playing the passive-agressive bitch to the hilt, acting like he didn’t know what was wrong, patronizing him and acting like John was just throwing a tantrum and angry for nothing. This just enfuriated John even more and led to him yelling at Tyler–which he deserved!
I’ve watched this show since the first one in NY, and I have NEVER hated a Real Worlder more than Tyler!
Ugh! I can’t get Overdrive on my Mac!!!!! I HATE missing out!
I can’t believe how obsessed I am with this show, I am seriously going to need withdrawal treatment when it’s over. LOL!
alligatorwings, I have also watched this show from the first one (are we dating ourselves? – I mean it’s been like 14 years, and I was on an extended odyssey through college!). I hate Tyler too, but I think I hated Kaia/Margaret and Matt from RW: Hawaii just as much.
The other thing I noticed about John and Tyler’s fight, was how Tyler tried to assert dominance/control by “granting” permission to John to attend the Speedo event – IF he could behave himself (paraphrasing). Who made him Julie McCoy?
FYI… Someone stated they thought Tyler was jealous of Svetlana’s supposed wealth – I don’t think so. Tyler went to a private Catholic school, and then on to Tufts – Even with an athletic scholarship Tufts is expensive.
I think Tyler is a snob, and he thinks Svetlana is eurotrash. I think he comes from a comfortable financial background, and his attitude toward Svetlana is 100% pure country club, elitist disdain. He thinks he’s better than she is, and her complete obliviousness to his inflated self-opinion is ENRAGING him.
In spite of his focus on her, she actually reacts less to him than anyone else in the house. The only time she directly reacted to him was when he went after her mother. When he tried to make nice with her, after she talked to Janelle, Svetlana just blew him off.
LOL–I think we have dated ourselves merely from the baggage we are toting from dealing with idiots like the fools on RW!
AND–Julie McCoy? LOL–of course that was the icing on the cake, since I know that reference very well! Actually, I always wanted to be Vicki! LOL
I hope you can see the big “encounter” eventually. They probably put it on there as a concession to Tyler since he got sand in his vagina over the show’s editing and how they potrayed him. WHATEVER!!!!!
I might have to dig up a PC somewhere, I REALLY want to see that footage!
Since we’re sharing… I thought Gopher was a stone fox – LOL! (It must have been the hat and the white knee socks) Of course I also thought I was the poo because I had EVERY flavor of Bonne Belle lipgloss – what can I say? A girl’s gotta stay fresh!
Yeah, my taste wasn’t all that great in the ___th Grade!
Glad to know someone else thought the same thing. I, naively, waited to hear the apology. It never came. All he seems to do is make excuses for his poor behavior- “Yes, maybe I overreacted a little, and maybe I shouldn’t have behaved that way-” Pause. This is where “mature” people (since this particular adjective seems very important to him) follow with, “There is no excuse for behaving this way and I apologize.” Some people may offer some explanation, sort of to say, hey, this isn’t really about you, this is about my stuff. But does he do that? No. How does he finish? Unpause. “-BUT this is all your fault, you pushed me to this and made me behave this way, and if you wouldn’t behave badly I wouldn’t have to.” THIS is abusive treatment. I really hope he doesn’t treat everyone in his life this way. There is no excuse for treating someone the way he treated her. I don’t care if she is a stinking communist dictator. Why, if he is so mature, and so intelligent, and so above everyone else, does he stoop to the level he claims everyone else is at, or lower, when he has problems? That really makes him lose credibility with me.
I haven’t watched the Real World in a long while, I don’t think I have actually followed a whole season since New Orleans, but I got in to this season right away, and part of the reason was Tyler. I really wanted to like him, partly because I am involved in the gymnastics community and I have some familiarity with him. It just hasn’t worked lol (and my opinion cannot be solely blamed on MTV’s editing).
I completely agree, that he sees Svetlana as “eurotrash.” In fact, that is probably one of the very terms he would use to describe her.
I am sure- positive- that there are things we don’t see on the show. Of course. Do they edit people in to characters, the way they want them to be seen? Absolutely. But, Svetlana is not completely responsible for all of these little explosions- even if she actually did behave so outrageously as to completely piss everyone off, they are the ones who have control over how they themselves behave, so why is it that she seems to be bearing sole responsibility for everything? Svetlana is no perfect peach- just like everyone else, she is human, she makes mistakes and behaves poorly sometimes- but for crying out loud, considering how frequently the people in that house mention her lack of maturity, they don’t seem to behave in a very mature manner. You’ve got Paula hanging from cross beams, making out with chicks (but she isn’t gay!), telling everything that reflects light rays to kiss her ass, and biting people (biting people!). You’ve got Tyler… well, see the above comments and synopsis, as well as the last 20 or whatever in the archives, I don’t feel like rehashing it all AGAIN. You’ve got John using the term “mosquito bites” to describe anatomic aspects of the human body, using derogatory terms against homosexuals, and thinking Spaniards are all outfitted with turbans and snake-charming flutes (but not with paved roads). You’ve got Janelle describing herself as director of Personal Relations, using the term conciers (did this drive anyone else completely mad?!), and thinking that she never does ANYTHING wrong, or for the wrong reasons, but is simply helplessly drawn in to bad situations by every other person on the planet. I actually like Zach, I think he is one of those types of people I would be good friends with if I knew him, but he constantly says what he knows people want to hear, instead of being true to himself as well as true to his friendships by treating people with enough dignity to trust that they can handle him being honest. That is not exactly a mark of maturity, in my opinion. Plus he kept saying the cardenza, instead of the credenza, and it just drives me nuts (obviously, I have my own issues… but at least I can admit it?). Jose was all right in my book (no pun intended) until he went and helped with that burn book crap. After that I figured, hell, I would never tell that guy anything! Allowing other people to share things with you and then turning around and using those things, and that trust, against them is not particularly noble behavior. On top of that, they all went on the Real World. This, in and of itself, is not normal behavior lol. Svetlana was immature. So was everyone else in that house. These people were in no place to say that she was immature- if that wasn’t the pot calling the kettle black, I don’t know what is.
Okay, that is enough caffeine-fueled ranting for one night. See, I am trying to stay away from political rantings right now. I am too emotional about the situation in the Middle East to engage in constructive discussion, but I can’t stay away from conversation for long, so Real World it is :p.
Just had to add that… wow… I have way too much free time tonight. It’s really unfortunate that I didn’t do something more constructive, but oh well. Constructive is overrated sometimes
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Right on, Fetita!
I agree with everything you said, right up to and including the situation in the Middle East – it’s scary and depressing.
I am also TOTALLY obsessing on this show – it’s fun!
LOL on Gopher–have to admit, it’s hard to believe there was a time when he, Doc and Isaac were considered hotties and irresistable to women!!! LOL I guess if we think THIS show is contrived and stupid sometimes, all we gotta do is think back to what this one was like!
LOL on the lip gloss–but as a kid I HAD a Six Million Dollar Man doll–and I HAVE a Toni Tennille doll and Cher doll (funny collector’s items!).
However, I think I would have been better off with Cher and Toni as a child—and a Six Million Dollar MAN today!
OK–sorry–back to RW…
I think you make a lot of really good points Fetita. I used to think Svetlana was just a silly, naive little girl (especially the whole fear about every guy being gay). However, bumping up against the likes of Tyler and Janelle, she may be young and naive, but at least she seems to be authentic and a person of character–and is not mean-spirited and arrogant like Tyler.
Also, I think Tyler’s “problem” has a lot to do with gay culture. GENERALLY speaking, straight guys tend to be physically agressive, and gay men tend to be more verbally agressive. There is a huge premium put on verbal dexterity and how bitchy you can be. Also, for whatever reason–probably because of low self esteem–many of us seem to derive a lot of self-esteem from being elitist in the areas of style, fashion, intellectualism, art, culture, etc. Many gay men are notorious name droppers, and seem to find their value in superficial things: designer clothes, jewelry, cars, vacations, etc. This combination is what I call Fierce and Fabulous Syndrome–since I think it is two things man gay men strive to be. However, I don’t think either makes you a very nice person, since all you do is cut people down and reaffirm how much better you are because you are dressed in certain clothes, drive a certain car, etc. I think this is the case with Tyler. I think he is upper middle class wanna-be rich, so I think the thing that bugs him is that Svet reminds him too much of himself. I also think he resents her exotic beauty–while he’s just a tired, run-of-the-mill scene queen with frosted tips and a bad spray tan. That’s why he constantly beats up on her verbally and makes her feel stupid, since he knows he can win in this arena. When he runs her over intellectually and with bitchiness–he derives that sense of superiority and power he craves. It makes him a bully. However, at the same time, he knows there is a mainstream norm as to right behavior, so the little transparent overdrive “talk” was just to justify his behavior and give the illusion he isn’t what he seems based on his behavior. He might as well have premised the recording of that segment with: “I’m not a bitchy fag, I just play one on TV.” RIIIIIIIIIGHT……..
Tyler, what you are doing is so loud I can’t hear what you’re saying!
I just wish the rest of the cast weren’t such get-along gang pussies and would put Janelle and Tyler in their place.
Too bad Hurricane Katrina didn’t drop a house on those two witches!!!!!!!!!
alligatorwings, I completely agree with you on the influence of the gay community. I see it all the time. I was just discussing this with my mama the other day, about how the issues a person faces growing up gay often seem to push them in to this type of personality and behavior. It doesn’t excuse anything (not EVERY gay man behaves this way- I know some fantastic gay men who do not- thus proving that it *can* be overcome), but it does show some insight in to why people behave the way they do. I think it is always important to recognize underlying personal reasons that people behave poorly toward you, because it keeps you from blaming yourself all the time, and for most people, they are not always totally to blame. It’s really very sad, though, that this is the environment our society has created for homosexuals
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Thanks for your post, Fetita! You really have a good grasp on the reality of things! I am sure it has to do with why Tyler’s behavior pisses me off so much. I am sure if I had no contact with LOTS of people like this it wouldn’t be such a big deal!
I think it just seems very pervasive in our society today for people to excuse away bad behavior and accountability, and this season is proof of that. I don’t mean to discount people’s issues, but it just seems like there is so much crying wolf on this show–and it is interesting how it seems to only come out when it comes time to convince someone that they shouldn’t be mad or hold them responsible for what they did or didn’t do.
And–I recognize there are tiny pieces of Tyler’s behavior in my own words and actions in the past, so I hope I don’t come off sounding like I haven’t “been there ” too. But too many men in general disregard their bad behavior by saying: that’s just the way (gay) men are”–as if we aren’t capable of controlling our behavior. Sure, we all make mistakes, but to not admit them or try to change is where the problem lies.