Recap: The Real World: San Diego – Eps 10/11



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Hi, Gasmii!  Thanks to everyone who commented on the minicap. Looks like our time together will be short – 12/14 is the final ep of the San Diego season.  But, I will be recapping Challenge too.  Yay!

Let’s get right to it!

We open with Alexandra singing “Let’s start over again”.  If only we could – or at least some of us, and we’re talking about you, Frank.  And here’s Frank, cuddling with Todd.  Frank shares that he’s putting his relationship with Michael “on hold” because he wants to “casually date”.  Um-hum.  Meanwhile, Ashley and Priscilla are discussing the situation.  Ashley then goes to take a shower, and Frank and Todd decide to take one too.  Ashley doesn’t care for that.  She thinks it’s “not respectful”.  Frank isn’t happy that Ashley is freezing Todd out.

For a (literal) breath of fresh air, we go to Nate and Sam enjoying a drink at The Boardwalk.  Sam mentions her drag mom, and explains to Nate what that is.  Sam talks about performing as a drag king, Shawn Jade.  What a super cool name!  Love. It. Sam’s going to see if she can perform in San Diego.  Nate shares that he hopes Sam becomes “the coolest drag king ever” and “shoots for the stars”.

nateI just met you, and already I love you.

Over at the gym, Frank sees Ashley, who continues to give him the cold shoulder.  Frank shares it’s disgusting how she’s treating Todd.  So they sit on the equipment and talk.

gymGet the hell off the machines!  People want to use them!  And wipe them down with a towel too.  Especially you, Ashley. 

Ashley seizes the moment to talk about how great Michael is.  Was.  Whatever.  Later, Ashley tells Zach that if there’s a different person in Frank’s life every week, why would she take the time to get to know them?  That’s exactly the feeling I have about you, Ashley.

Back at the house, Frank is venting to Nate.  He’s got a point.  Though she liked Michael – and it seems everyone did – still no reason to mistreat Todd, or even Frank for that matter.  What is it with chicks named Ashley and their need to boss gay guys around?  Don’t believe me?  Check out Ashley on A-List: Dallas.  Same effing thing!  Unless they’re sleeping with you, butt the hell out!  Frank says that now that Michael’s out of the picture and he (Frank) is a “slutty gay man” again, she doesn’t want to be his friend.

In the shower again, Frank confronts Ashley – well, I should stop here.  He’s in the shower, she’s just in bathroom doing something unattractive with her bicolor hair – Frank calls her out on not waiting for him at the gym, not saying goodbye, just being rude.  She responds by denying it.

Frank shares that he would like to know if Ashley even likes him.  He would actually like to be friendly with her, and “have a hand in making her a less bigoted, more open-minded individual”.

anitaYou’d have better luck with her.

Commercial. We return to Priscilla and Sam discussing an upcoming camping trip.  Sam says she’s been hunting since she was 9.   Priscilla wants a place with showers and a sauna.

LAX_236_616x493This will do nicely, I believe.

Sam shares she’s very, very nervous.  Not for herself.

Sam asks Beth and Rudi to the house.  They’re part of the San Diego Kings.  They all discuss Sam’s upcoming performance.  Sam’s super-psyched!

Now we go to Alexandra, who’s at the House of Blues, meeting with Candace and John, who book talent.  She’s going to have a 20 minute set.  Exciting!

Camping day!  Sam says some people have overpacked. I know people who overpack for work.  What possible reason do women have for lugging a large purse and two or 3 additional big totebags?  Every day!  What the hell is in there?

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I’m the kind of person who went to France for a month with one (medium) sized bag.  ONE.

Priscilla shares that she’s not going to shower in a creek.  Zach, nude, shares he’s looking forward to going au naturel in the wilderness.  Everyone piles in the car, and they go to Subway.

subNothing says “great outdoors” like a sub.

Priscilla shares that of course they’re bringing Subway, none of them cooks.  So they’ve never heard of hot dogs?  Or trail mix?  Or s’mores????

For some reason, Frank and Nate crank up the heat.  Okay . . .   Then they go to “freeze out”.

Commercial.    We return to Palomar Mountain National Park.  Everyone sets up tents.  Frank shares he’d like to talk to Zach and Ashley.  Some people, the more sensible ones, put on bug repellant.  Everyone sets off on a walk on what appears to be a nice, gently sloping, broad walkway.  Priscilla calls it a “hike” and is inordinately pleased with herself.  Ashley and Zach outpace everyone else and don’t give a damn.  They want to get to the summit before the sun sets.  There’s a deck on the summit.  So, not exactly Mt Everest.  Everyone else shows up.  For about 10 seconds, everyone shuts up.  Ah, peace.

Now it’s nighttime.  Sam (I assume) has started a fire, and Frank is drinking soup out of a can.  And they did remember marshmallows!

1fNothing like eating charred bovine bone marrow off of dirty sticks.  The Cro-Magnons loved it!

Ashley and Zach take off.  Frank and Nate discuss them.  Nate says he tried to be friends with Ashley but when he saw that wasn’t happening, he just wrote it off.  He asks if it makes them bad people to want to know who she is.  Not bad, Nate.  But it’s fruitless, so just let it go.

Commercial.  And thanks, MTV, for putting commercials in the show online, too.

We return to the next morning.  Birds!  The Rite of Spring!  Frank peeing!  Oh, they just went for one night???

1gThat ain’t campin’.  That thar is just a stroll and a snooze.  Gol-durned city slickers.

We’re back at the house.  Frank is talking to Alexandra and Sam about Ashley and Zach.  Alexandra points out that the duo are deliberately not involving themselves in anyone’s business.  She goes on to say that things will happen they way they will, and all Frank can do is “do you”.

1468Wish I were that profound!

Frank wants that emotional connection.

1hI want an emotional connection with this guy.  Doesn’t mean I’ll get it.

Now it’s the day of Sam’s performance.  Skylar, her bestie, is in town and will be at the show.  People are drinking a lot.  Sam realizes she needs to stop so she can be sober enough to perform.  She shares that as usual, Nate has been drinking way too much, and she thinks things will go badly.

Now Sam’s preparing to get into character as Shawn Jade.  She uses plastic wrap to bind her breasts, as Frank puts it, like two chicken breasts.

1sDon’t forget to wrap the sandwiches after you get into drag, honey!

Meanwhile, Nate is sleeping passed out on his bed.  Frank can’t get Nate out of bed, so Shawn comes in and is able to get Nate up.

On the way over, Ashley says she has a friend who makes phone calls in her sleep.  I used to do that, if by “sleep” you mean “blinding drunk”.   Nate is spouting nonsequiturs.  Zach is convinced they are aimed at he and Ashley.  Nate shares that “Drunk Nate” doesn’t care about anything, and is going to let her know, every time she speaks, that no one believes her and she should shut up.  Sounds like a plan!  Meanwhile, Frank tries to get Nate to stop.

Finally, they arrive at The Flame.  Frank, Sam and Nate get out, while Ashley, Zach and Alexandra go park.  Zach says he has “no idea” why Nate was behaving the way he was.  They press Alexandra, who says the rest of the cast aren’t happy with Ashley and Zach “always being gone”.  Predictably, this annoys Zach and Ashley.

1ashYou’re ugly inside AND out.  Well done!

Ashley then blames Frank for the tension.  WhatEVER.

At the table, Zach looks like a sulky child, and Frank asks what the matter is.  Zach responds that he doesn’t owe anyone an explanation.  Oh, super mature there.

1zaI would love to smack that look right off your face, jackass.

So they all sit there just not saying a word because of all the tension.  And then someone – Ashley? – starts talking again.  Dammit.

And finally, it’s time for Shawn Jade!!  Who is just great!

1shaKnocked it out of the park.  Yay, Shawn Jade!

So for the length of Shawn’s performance, everyone was united in their support and love for her.  And then afterwards, they go back to being uncomfortable and pissed off.

Commercial.  It’s the next morning.  Ashley and Zach are off to the gym.  Frank also heads to the gym and runs into Zach and Ashley, returning.  Zach wants to know what was going on yesterday.  Frank says he didn’t know what was up with Nate, but does say that he and Nate want more out of the “wonder twins” than they’re getting.  Ashley says she can’t get closer to people if she knows they’re talking about her.  Frank tries to explain they’re talking about Ashley and Zach out of friendship, because they care.  Ashley says she doesn’t talk to anyone in the house.  So why the hell did you agree to be on this show? Frank says he gets nothing from her – just a wall.  Ashley says it’s a trust issue.  Frank responds that he’s repeatedly tried.

As they walk away, Zach’s take is that everything Frank was saying was “I want attention from you, you’re the pr0m queen”.

1skanProm queens don’t have a big a-s.  And saddlebags.

Back at the house, Zach is unloading on Nate.  Now Alexandra, Nate and Frank are leaving.  Nate shares that he wishes Zach or Frank would hate him, because then he wouldn’t be in the middle.  In the car, Frank talks about the convo.  Frank wants Nate to back him up.  You need Drunk Nate for that, honey.  Alexandra tries to stay out of the discussion.  Nate says he feels Frank is blowing this out of proportion, and Frank retorts that it’s a big deal to him.  And by “retorts” I mean “shouts”.

Commercial.  And now we’re at the final scenes of this ep.  Alexandra is performing at the House of Blues.  She sings a song about her time at the Real World house which really makes people mist up.  Sam shares that she wants Zach and Ashley to tolerate Frank for their remaining time.  Frank shares he wants people to come together and grow with each other.  Zach shares that he’s an effing jackass.  Or at least that’s what I heard.

And that’s it for ep 10.  Let’s get into Ep 11.  And again I want to give a shout out to MTV, which has not bothered to put ep 11 up on their website yet.  So no screencaps from this one, unfortunately.

We open with folks in the hot tub.  Not Ashley and Zach, of course.  They’re off on their own again.  And they’re still talking about not being a family with the other cast, blah blah blah.  This is so unbelievably repetitive and boring.  Zach and Ashley seem to enjoy it though.  They are a match made in heaven.

paulJust like this one.

When the wonder twins return home, they find an envelope marked “Special Delivery” and call everyone together.  MTV, you do know that just pasting the words “Special Delivery” on an envelope does not actually make it a special delivery?  And it looks serial-killer creepy too.

They’re going to Cabo! Nate shares that the drama already has its bags packed, and is on its way to Mexico.  HA!

Frank is at the Del Mar Clinic talking with Dr, Levak, his therapist.  Levak asks what Frank wants out of Cabo.  Instead of saying “booze and sex”, Frank says he wants everyone to hang out together, blah blah.  Levak points out that craving a response from someone gives them control over you.  He wants Frank to be “loving and playful and yourself” with no expectation of a response and no agenda.  Frank pretty much ignores that.  Levak says with some people there is no key to opening them up.

boxHowever, with others this works very well.

Everyone is packing.  Nate is putting dirty clothes in his suitcase.  Nice.

And here we are in Cabo, at the Villa de Arco.  It’s beautiful.  Here’s their view

rocksThe Cabo Arches.

Also in Cabo:

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The Golden Arches.

Everyone unpacks and then heads downstairs for a drink.  Or 10.  Priscilla can drink, because the drinking age in Mexico is 18.  No, that won’t cause any problems . . .

Commercial.  People are swimming.  Well, sort of.  Being overcome by waves and screaming, more like.  Nate shares his sinus cavity is filled with “fish piss”.  So much for that fish dinner I had planned for tonight.

Ashley and Zach are, predictably, off by themselves.  Everyone else is running around their suite naked.

At night, they go out to Cabo Wabo.  I assume the bar wouldn’t allow them to film, because we see none of it.  At one point, everyone except the wonder twins jumps in a pool? fountain? and makes a crab circle, which looks completely goofy and fun.  Of course, Zach and Ashley will have none of it.  That means they’re sitting outside their room waiting for the others to get back.  That’s super fun.  What a great way to see a foreign country!  Hotel corridors say so much about local culture.

corrChock full o’ambiance.

The next day, they go to swim with the dolphins.  Nate is scared that “if Flipper gets p-ssed off, they’re going to drown me”.

dolCould these cuties hurt anyone? Nah.

I hope that Ashley and Zach will “accidentally” drown.  Sadly, that doesn’t happen.  However, Nate goes on a “dolphin taxi” and says “try to frown – you can’t” and that his fear has gone away.

Now they all get on a booze cruise.  “The boat doesn’t come back until the booze is gone”, says the captain.  Do booze cruises have a “captain”?  I mean the guy who had the key to the boat.  There’s scuba diving.  And then Zach and Ashley go off by themselves.  That’s a super smart idea, go off by yourselves in the middle of the freaking ocean.  Jackasses.

Now the drinking starts in earnest.  Priscilla is pretty tanked.  She is “Dizzy Scrizzy” when she drinks, apparently.  Back at the hotel, she comes on to Nate who leaves the room, sharing that everybody makes drunk mistakes, but he doesn’t want to be part of that one.  Nate = a real gentleman.

That night, they go to the Nowhere Bar.

barApparently it’s also dyslexic.

It’s ladies night, and Priscilla is again very tanked.  She shows everyone her veejayjay.  Zach ends up carrying Priscilla because she’s too drunk to walk.  Nate is weaving all over the place.  Sam is kissing Priscilla.

The next day, they go parasailing, the ideal activity for the hung-over/still drunk, as Priscilla shares when she says she just wanted to vomit in the air.  Now it’s Nate’s turn, and he’s scared that the rope would break and he and his friends would drown.  Um, first human bodies float.  Second, you’re wearing a life jacket.  Third, you’re within reach of the boat.  So drowning is probably not the outcome, even if the rope breaks.

titanicParasailing seldom turns out like this.  But if it does, be the first to get up on the door.

Nate survives the trip, and Priscilla finally throws up and vows never to drink again.  I used to do that all the time.  That lasts until, oh, about 5 pm the same day.

Commercial.  And we’re back to horseback riding.  Nate is scared.  Really?  Is there anything that doesn’t scare Nate?  But he decides he likes it.

That evening, they go to Bar Esquina.  It’s their last night in Cabo.

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The topic of gays in the military comes up, and Zach says he doesn’t support gays in the military.  Frank says he finds that disgusting, and after Zach says he doesn’t have to explain himself, Frank says that because Zach lives with him and doesn’t feel he has to explain himself, and that hurts Frank’s feelings.  He finds Zach’s attitude deplorable.  He also says it’s not 2 and 5, it’s supposed to be 7 (housemates).  Zach tells Frank to shut up.  Frank cautions him not to say that.

Commercial.  We return to the argument.  Others try to reign Frank in, but he’s not hearing it.  Frank finally says the wonder twins deserve each other, and leaves.

Back at the hotel, Frank and Alexandra and Nate discuss the argument.  Alexandra gives him the same advice his therapist did.  On the beach, Zach and Ashley discuss the argument.  I am so freaking tired of the issue, the argument, everything.  Everyone just shut up. And Frank?  Not everything someone else does is aimed at you.  I work with someone like Frank and have lost count of the number of times they’ve come to me in tears about some imagined slight, to which I’ve replied “it’s not about you”.

Finally, it’s time to leave.  Nate had a good time, at least!

Commercial.  And we’re back to San Diego, to the Eggery where Ashley and Zach are still discussing the argument.  The rest of the house is also discussing the trip.  Frank shares that makes them a family, and it’s sad that Zach and Ashley aren’t part of that.  Frank now wants to talk to them.  Oy vey gevalt.

Frank starts by apologizing for the dinner.  Then he asks if their non-participation is because of him.  Ashley says yes.  B-tch.  Frank says don’t take it out on the others, and Ashley says she’s not.  Frank says they’ve shut off and shut down.  Zach denies that.  Frank says he’s speaking for the rest of the group, they’re his family.  He asks the wonder twins to hang out and make an effort for the 4 remaining days.  Zach says Frank doesn’t know what a family is, that a family doesn’t go around being malicious to each other and then saying it’s cool.

sopReally?

Now Frank and Zach are arguing again.  Frank thinks because he’s gay.  Zach says it’s not, it’s because Frank has been disrespectful.  Frank says he doesn’t like Ashley and Zach but because of “them” (the other housemates) he’s still trying to extend his hand.  He says it’s not about him, they should be mature and hang out with the other housemates.  Frank keeps telling Zach to “be a man”. Frank, you need to be a man and realize this is an unwinnable argument.  These people don’t like you.  They never will.  Get. Over. It.  There are people in my office who are in a clique and make a big deal out of it, and of excluding others.  I could really care less.  Grow a pair, Frank.

Commercial.  We return to Frank and Sam having drinks.  AGAIN with discussion of the argument.  The wonder twins are in a car, same thing.  Is this the most boring episode of any series ever?  If not, it’s damned close.  We end with both Frank and Zach vowing to have no contact with each other.  Right . . .

And that’s it until next week’s finale.  I predict even more rehashing of the argument/Frank’s feelings, and at least one more encounter between Frank and Zach/Ashley.  I also predict continued awesomeness from Sam/Shawn Jade, and from Nate who may like his liquor, but is a stand-up guy.  See you next week!

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21 Comments

  1. 1
    jerseyj
    Posted December 12, 2011 at 7:17 am

    First off, we’ll miss VA, but welcome to the “family” Penny. you’ll quickly learn that a bunch of us take our Real World/Challenges very seriously and love to dissect every little bit of it :p

    As for your statement “AGAIN with discussion of the argument. The wonder twins are in a car, same thing. Is this the most boring episode of any series ever?” Just be glad you just started watcing the series, now. This has been pretty much the most boring Real World Season ever.

    I’m glad you quickly seem to have caught on to the dynamic. Ashley and Zach are douchenozzles who are close-minded, and don’t give a crap about anything but going to gym and talking about how “hot” they are. I put “hot” in quotations because I agree with you about the Ashely’s looks…she is totally overrated.

    Frank whines a lot, but its totally entertaining to watch when he has his breakdowns every other day or so.

    Sam is just plain awesome. Nate has his moments, and can be quite entertaining.

    Unfortunately, MTV totallly whiffed on 4 of the castings this season. Zach and Ashley are an annoying snoozefest, and Priscilla and Alex add nothing to the show. I have a feeling Priscilla could have been fun if the whole thing had been taped in Mexico…too bad she was stuck being hte sober DD for 95% of the season.

    And, END RANT.

    Can’t wait for the next Challenge to start, so we get some real entertainment instead of this snoozefest!

  2. 2
    Gypsy Gypsy
    Posted December 12, 2011 at 7:38 am

    Jerseyj said it all. I agree, can’t wait for the next Challenge so we can get something worth looking forward to (and re-capping for you PD, for that matter)

    At this point I am just reading the recaps b/c I can’t stand these mind numbingly boring episodes.

  3. 3
    Classy Drunk classy drunk
    Posted December 12, 2011 at 7:39 am

    The best part of these two episode was seeing the sites of Cabo. I stayed in that exact hotel the 3 times I have been there. The food isn’t all that great but everything else is awesome.

    There’s a bar that has a ladies night every night there so basically you can drink for free until about midnight every night.

    There is alot of booze on the booze cruise so eat a hardy meal before going out or you’ll throw up in the bushes. Ask my best friend. She knows all too well.

  4. 4
    dazzyfresh
    Posted December 12, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Its been so terrible that I cant even comment on the nonsense that is this edition of The Real World. I really feel Sam was done an injustice and should have been put on either last season’s Real World (the teaming of her with MikeRoy would have made tv gold) or saved her for the next one. This is just colossal crap…welcome PennyDreadful, and i will check out A-List just for you!

  5. 5
    carol
    Posted December 12, 2011 at 11:55 am

    You know the old saying about how when you get to know someone, the more attractive (or unattractive) they become? That has totally happened with Zach. He was attractive the first episode, but was just ugly these past couple of episodes. Why does he walk around sticking his stomach out? It always annoys me when people with flat stomachs do this. And his hair like that? I really think he is not totally sure about himself but since he was raised in such a homophobic family, he has just adopted what the rest of his family thinks. I have seen simple friends be more affectionate then Zach and Ashley have been.

    As much as I don’t like Zach, I think he would be funny on the challenges because of his size. I think he would fall into the Wes camp since he is all muscle, no fitness. It would also be interesting to see him interact with Tyler, who Zach could not physically intimidate but is also gay (aka Zach’s nightmare).

  6. 6
    plockeness monster
    Posted December 12, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    OMG. Sam with MikeRoy in Vegas would have made for the BEST SEASON of the RW ever!!!

    Carol – I bet we will see Zach and his feminine appendage aka Ashley, on the Challenges. The Douche Trio will flip their shit and start peeing every where to mark their territory.

  7. 7
    Gypsy Gypsy
    Posted December 12, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Woot! Love this Zach talk, been thinking about it too. Obvi they are going to have the conservative Cowboy on the next Challenge IMO. The DT will flip out for sure but I think it will be because he doesn’t conform and listen to their BS instead, sticks to his own moral code and ends up an outcast. Unless he’s got the strength of CT, I see him going home early. Agreed all muscle and no strength to back it up. AND CUT YOUR DAMN HAIR!

    And just wait until Jenn or some psycho trys to get after him, Ashley will crumble to tears and end up on the first flight home. (It’s fun to dream)

    Plus…I’m not so sure either of them have the gray matter to strategize, plot and manipulate they way you need to, to stay for the long haul on a Challenge.

  8. 8
    plockeness monster
    Posted December 12, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    Here, here Jersey!!! This season has been a suckfest. Like I said, I blame Mike for reigning in Frank’s crazy. On the other hand, we probably would have to listen to Frank crying over asshats who want to live in their own homophobic bubble. Frank needs attention, y’all and he needs it now.

    Episode 10: I really wanted to punch Zach when he said that he didn’t want anyone of the cast mates as a family member b/c he “already has a real family.” Doesn’t Zach know that friends are the family you actually get to choose?? Zach and Ashley are lost causes. They made up their minds early on that they didn’t want anything to do with any of the other roommates. How can you not love Sam?? Fuck!

    Apparently, nate hasn’t got that drinking problem under control…

    But Nate also said something smart to Frank – if Zashley doesn’t want to have anything to do with Frank, then Frank should just move on! I suppose that is why Frank needs a therapist in the first place.

    Ash – bi-color hair!!!! LOL! You are totally right, Penny!! It’s gross and her half up hair do makes it more apparent. Love the recap and glad you share in the Zashley dislike.

  9. 9
    Casey
    Posted December 12, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Frank is such an attention-seeking ****, but for some reason I still don’t hate him? Maybe he’s pathetic enough that it’s somewhat tolerable??? But really, not everything is about YOU Frank! When Nate is the voice of reason (“Move on!”) Frank needs to get himself in check!

    On the other hand though, I would be so over Zashley anyway I wouldn’t be mad at Frank’s attempts.

    Still love Nate and his self deprecating confessionals. And Sam is 1,000 shades of awesome. Priscilla and Alex…what do they add?

  10. 10
    kippy12345
    Posted December 12, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Serious Question. When does a person become -phobic or close-minded? Zach has a different opinion. He seems able to get along with Sam and he got along well with Mike despite their different thoughts on homosexuality. He even got along with Frank at one point. I think the problems are when Frank decides he needs to enlighten Zach. Just because he has a different opinion does not mean that he needs to be taught something. I am sure that the house and the people on this board would go ballistic if Zach felt the need to enlighten Frank about religion every time they were together.

  11. 11
    sardini
    Posted December 12, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    I am really curious to see what would have become of Ashley if Zach were not there. She proved to have zero mind of her own. Something tells me she’s not as conservative as she pretends to be, she just became that person for Zach. I bet she would have gone out and acted a little more wild, and also I bet she would totally support gays because everyone else in the house does. You could tell that she secretly wanted to jump in the pool and do the crab circle, but wouldn’t dream of it because Zach disapproved. I guess some people act that way when they’re young, but if my husband and I were drunk in Cabo and I wanted to do a crab circle with friends, you better believe I’m gonna do the damn crab circle.

    Not to generalize, but you typically don’t see a calm, quiet, conservative model / bartender (can’t remember if I saw the link to her modeling pics here or not). Also, she’s SUPER aware of the cameras. Maybe if they showed me something…anything…I would have more compassion for the Zashley romance. Even on Jersey Shore, the Ronnie / Sam plot line (well, before it became abusive) was entertaining and watchable because you could see their flaws and their disfunctional love.

    That being said, Frank needs to let it gooooooo!!! 5 of the 7 roommates getting along ain’t bad. After awhile I almost sided with Zashley, thinking, who would WANT to hang out with this guy?? Nate and Sam are cute. Prissy should’ve waited til she was 21 to go on The Real World. Alex is too neutral, trying to do the “I’m friends with everyone” thing, but it’s just boring. Also, she’s one of those people who tries too hard to be deep and spiritual. Harmless but annoying.

  12. 12
    plockeness monster
    Posted December 12, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    I wouldn’t say Alex is boring. She’s just normal. And I think Zach is super aware of the cameras and should’ve never tried out for the RW in the first place.

  13. 13
    sardini
    Posted December 13, 2011 at 6:22 am

    To me, she’s boring. Not a bad person, just blah. And yes, Zach is aware of the cameras, in turn making Ashley aware, too. He’s so scared of making himself or his family look bad, and I’m sure if she made one wrong move, he’d be done with Ashley.

    How long until they’re done?

  14. 14
    Classy Drunk classy drunk
    Posted December 13, 2011 at 6:37 am

    Sardini it must be soon b/c I think they are doing back to back episodes again this week. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  15. 15
    plockeness monster
    Posted December 13, 2011 at 6:51 am

    Hey, at least this means that the Challenge is coming up soon!!!

    And I agree Sardini – Zach is obviously wayyyyyy to concerned about making his family look bad.

  16. 16
    Moli Moli
    Posted December 13, 2011 at 7:04 am

    Which is the ONLY reason he and Ashley haven’t had sex or won’t admit to having sex. The one season I decide to stick with is a huge dud. Well at least I’ll know who the new people on the next challenge show…le sigh

  17. 17
    plockeness monster
    Posted December 13, 2011 at 7:16 am

    I am not trying to make this a challenge discussion board BUT I found this on Vevmo. This is a potential list of 2012 Challengers based on their social networking updates.

    TJ Lavin will be hosting.

    Speculated cast members-
    WOMEN: Anessa, Camila, Cara Marie, Diem, Emily (DC RW), Heather & Naomi(Vegas), Jasmine, Mandi (EW!!!!), Paula, PRISSY, Rachel (Road Rules), Robin, & Sarah

    MEN: Abe, CT, Dunbar, Zito, Johnny Bananas, LEROY!!!, MARK (oldie but goodie!), Nate, Ty, Tyrie, Vinny (he was on Fresh Meat II), & Delusional “God” Wes.

    This was posted on 11/3/11.

  18. 18
    sardini
    Posted December 13, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    I heard Zach say he did it because the opportunity fell into his lap. Wtf does that mean? Did he not audition? Go to call backs? Wait for an answer on pins and needles? And what does he think is next? He’ll be asked to host “The Grind” like Eric from Season 1??

    As for people that go on this show to help their career, pffffft! With a few exceptions of some marginal careers (and a few success stories), it doesn’t happen in the fame department. Just about every season has a singer. Yeah. I can’t wait for Sahar’s next album to drop. Right after Erica from D.C., right?

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    Casey
    Posted December 13, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    @kippy12345 – not to turn this into a deep discussion since we are, of course, commenting on trashy tv like the Real World but I wanted to respond to your question. First, thank you for reminding me that I start judging just as harshly those who express anti-gay sentiments as they do the gay community. Neither behavior is right.

    I guess I think it starts with a person’s fundamental belief on whether a person is “born” homosexual. I do firmly believe homosexuality is not something a person can, nor should, “change”. So when people spout off that they don’t support gay rights, it starts to feel like racism. A person cannot help their skin color either.

    I don’t have the right words to express what I’m trying to say. Because as soon as I hear someone say “I don’t believe in being gay” my blood starts boiling. It’s not something to “believe”, it exists! But there are millions of believers in a god of some sort that believe just as strongly and it’s very hard to get that same understanding of something with which people just disagree.

    Ugh. I also grew up in the same town as Zach and don’t want people to think we are all like that.

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    jerseyj
    Posted December 14, 2011 at 6:37 am

    @kippy12345, personally I consider Zach and Ashley close-minded for many reasons, I don’t necessarily think they are phobic (as in homophobic) though they did exhibit some homophobic behavior at Pride.

    One is homophobic in my mind when they meet the definition of the word…it literally means fear of gay people. They exhibited some homophobic behavior when they were afraid to go to pride because they thought they might get hit on and constantly talked about how uncomfortable they were. To me, that showed they were afraid of being around gay people. However, overall I wouldn’t say they were phobic because they did really seem to like Michael and Sam and never expressed any fear of them or their sexuality.

    However, I DO think they are extremely close-minded. In my opinion (and this is just me, so obviously people are free to disagree…see that’s being open-minded), someone is close-minded when they have a set of morals/values/thoughts/activities, etc. that they believe in and like to participate in (which is normal), but they refuse to acknowledge that there may be other equally acceptable ways for people to live their lives (close-minded). In fact, they have repeatedly stated that they have no interest in learning about their roommates, hearing what they have to say. They constantly talk about how they are who they are and they don’t want to change. That is close-minded. I think one should always be open to new ideas and improving oneself. I dont think anyone can be wholly perfect after living a whole lifetime of experiences, let alone at 23.

    A good example of their close-mindedness is when they talk about how disgusting it is that Frank sleeps around and they just don’t do that. Personally, I was a virgin until I was 23 by choice and didn’t think that sleeping around with strangers would be a fulfilling choice to make. However, my best friend slept with anybody and everybody that came along, as did many of my other friends. I still respected them as people and never looked down at them though. It was merely a different way of approaching the dating dynamic. I respected their choices and they respected mine.

    Zach and Ashley constantly talk about how there are many different types of people in the world and not everyone is the same. That is their excuse for not opening up to Frank and the other roommates. However, they prove with their own argument that they are close-minded. Being open-minded doesn’t mean agreeing with everyone else or being exactly the same, however it does mean that you should hear all sorts of different opinions and expose yourself to lots of different people/life experiences and then let those people/life experiences mold who you become. It may make you even stronger in your previous beliefs, or it may make your realize that perhaps you were wrong. Either way, you’ve opened yourself and at least acknowledged that there are other viewpoints out there. That is being open-minded.

    Wow, sorry for the ridiculously wrong explanation. But, that’s how I see it. Of course, if you share your thoughts, I’ll take them in and let them shape how I view the situation…because I’m open-minded :p

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    jerseyj
    Posted December 14, 2011 at 6:42 am

    Whoops, that should have said “wow, sorry for the ridiculously LONG explanation”. Not WRONG explanation. haha :)

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