RHOBH: You Ah!

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   sarcasatire
   Posted January 21, 2011 at 3:47 am

   I think Camille is hooked on prescription pills. They prescribe them for IBS which can be linked to anxiety and would explain her heavy lidded, disconnected appearance on the show. She slurs in her interviews, can’t maintain eye contact, and doesn’t connect with the viewer no matter how sympathetic her case.

   With that said..I still see Taylor as the catalyst in the drama that transpired this season. When Camille and Kyle talked it out in NY, all would’ve been fine, had Taylor not reported on the shenanigans at LAX soon after Kyle left the room. Poor Kim, she was really trying to defend her sister when she put Taylor on blast, but she was shut down by everyone, including Kyle. And no one paid attention to Kim’s mumblings until Lisa sold them as an original idea 10 episodes later. That’s gotta hurt.

   I’m sure Camille isn’t innocent in all of this. But the reason she brought up the fight at Serafina (dinner in NY) was because she didn’t know the word ‘insecure’ was brought up several times in reference to her. Sadly, we didn’t see the part Taylor played in this debacle until it was too late. Camille and Kim were both hung out to dry.

   And then Taylor had the nerve to pick a fight with Kim at Taylor’s birthday party. Maybe she was mad that Russell made an awkward toast and didn’t even know how old she was. He could care less, however. His mistress in Scottsdale is much hotter, and much, much younger. And I bet she likes golf!

   I think I need a quaalude because it’s the only way I can fall asleep tonight. Kyle just pushed me over the edge with her bullying Kim. Kim may have seemed drunk when the producers edited her twitchy demeanor, but during the fight, I looked into her eyes and found her surprisingly lucid. I also found Kyle to be abrasive, aggressive, and downright mean in her treatment of Kim. Sorry, airing dirty laundry in front of cameras and mere acquaintances is a poor excuse to ‘one-up’ your sister. Kyle comes across as a bully and I hated her for it.

   Kim tried to defend Kyle during the ‘dinner from hell’ (or dinner for schmucks) by telling them about Taylor’s role in all of it, but all Kyle did was defend Taylor and send Kim off in a limo by herself. Sorry, Kyle..you’re a bitch and I hope Mauricio fucks the hair stylist and gives you that 5th child you were hoping for. Serves her right.

   I know it’s so easy to hate Camille..but learning in the finale about Taylor’s role in all of it, I’d say Camille wasn’t as wrong as we previously thought. Thank you Bravo for giving us a flashback to LAX, lest we forget. Alas, too little..too late.

   All in all…Kim ended up my favorite as she was ganged up on, disrespected, and attacked by her sister. On WWHL, 71% of the votes took her side against Kyle’s. I’m just glad I’m not the only one.

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   Stewinberri
   Posted January 21, 2011 at 4:26 am

   Flipit, you are awesome to get such a quality recap up so quickly! This was a good episode but the ending was a major downer. It had me drinking and cleaning afterwards to take my mind off of it. Kyle eviscerating her sister like that on national tv was AWFUL! As much as I HATE HATE HATE saying this, the things said about Kyle (by the psychotic psychic) being a bully have been proven true. Fortunately, instead of driving Kim to commit suicide, she has only driven her to drink. This was truly painful to watch. Makes you wonder if big sis Kathy didn’t want to attend the gradution or tell Kyle herself because she didn’t want to deal with Kyle’s anger or drama. She has no self control. If Adrienne and/or the cameras had not been there, I believe she would have physically attacked Kim.

   Hate the way Kyle had undermined Kim socially and Lisa has bought into it and Taylor sees Kim as an easy target. Love Ad she is the only one willing to actually listen to Kim and see the whole dynamic for what it is. They all ganged up on Kim and subtly or not so subtly imply she is deficient in some way or other. Cruel.

   Why does Kyle have to resort to name calling with Kim? What is she hiding? She never actually describes the problem with Kim just calls her drunk, delusional, insane, liar or constantly implies it. Kyle and Camille seem cut from the same cloth. I guess Cam ain’t the only bitch getting her comeuppance.

   I call bs on Taylor’s story too. So obvious she said more to Cam. Interesting, Kyle’s bravo blog doesn’t address Taylor’s shit stirring. Just more allusions to Kim’s problems that we the viewers don’t see. Blah, blah, blah. We see them very clearly Kyle, it’s you.

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   Thatswhatshesaid
   Posted January 21, 2011 at 4:26 am

   This episode was so disturbing. Way too real. I can’t wait to read the recap. I watched WWHL and from the clip for the sneak preview of the reunion, it looks like Kyle has gotten the “big head” from all the fan love…I hope not though.

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   Thatswhatshesaid
   Posted January 21, 2011 at 4:31 am

   Oh and before I forget: Leech is 37?!!! He should be ashamed!!!! Good grief!! Grow up and get out! “Who’s gonna love me?!”Wah!! You’re an ADULT!!! Probably NO ONE because you’re an able-bodied grown azz unemployed homeless man taking advantage of old people!!! Lozah!!!

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   Stewinberri
   Posted January 21, 2011 at 4:37 am

   I know Kim’s drinking was mentioned but she came to the party a little animated and she looked nice. Kyle seemed to make more of her behavior than was necessary. Kim was twice provoked and made to appear the “problem”. The girl didn’t act desperate with Martin and she was sitting and talking with her best friend. How was she embarassing? Girl can’t catch a break.

   I can see where she might think Lisa may not be Kyle’s BFF. They are not of the same social status. Maybe Lisa wants to use Kyle as a connection to sometthing bigger, like the Hilton’s. Good luck with that after this. Kyle might be ok with people treating her sister like crap hopefully Kathy isn’t.

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   kdognatl
   Posted January 21, 2011 at 5:14 am

   Great recap Flipit! You are awesome for having it up so quick. Pretty much agree with everything Sarcas and Stew just wrote.

   Flipit my honey was watching the psychic scene with me and just kept saying I went into the wrong business, lol. Suckers….

   Loathe Taylor. I may have to go rewatch it, but I thought that Taylor came off as the confrontational one at the party and Kim was being defensive. Even on WWHL she still would not take resposibility for her shit stirring. Still felt no sympathy for Camille. Can not wait for the reunion in the recaps.

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   Thatswhatshesaid
   Posted January 21, 2011 at 5:45 am

   I agree. Taylor approached Kim @ the party with guns blazing; presumably to make good on her promise to “Go Oklahoma on her azz.” It definitely was not in the conciliatory manner she tried to sell us on on WWHL. Taylor is definitely in denial about a lot of things; her life, her marriage, reality.
   I felt sorry for Kim. She’s obviously ill-equipped to fight or handle confrontation – WHICH SHE HAS SAID SEVERAL TIMES. Yet, Kyle continues to bait and harrangue her in public. I was so embarrassed for Kim to have her private life put on blast by Kyle. It was so unnecessary. Kyle’s love for Kim is not evident at all, but Kim’s love for Kyle is evident. When Kyle was bemoaning the Hilton’s not showing up for graduation, Kim pointed out, “I was there.”But Kyle takes Kim for granted. She expects all of this loyalty but offers none.
   I thought it was horrible for the editors to end the show with Kim crying alone in the limo! Shameful the way they exploited her! I think Kim is a genuine person with problems and that was unfair and unkind. And to use the limo pic as her still photo for what’s happening with her (and mention rehab!) Was really cruel. Especially, since they HADN’T shown one ounce of an indication all season! It seemed to come out of left field. Very sad indeed.

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   wasabipeas
   Posted January 21, 2011 at 6:15 am

   Ad ought to take all these women out back and go Oklahoma on their butts.

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   Stewinberri
   Posted January 21, 2011 at 6:15 am

   Does Kim have any more of a drinking problem than any of the other howives? DWI, slurred speech, loss of inhibitions, extreme attention seeking behavior, drunken catfights? Just haven’t seen it. Yeah she checked into rehab. But possibly so should Ramona of NY and Kim of ATL. Is Kim impaired by her drinking or does she just consume an amount of alcohol that is unhealthy? Kim’s larger problems seem to be depression and anxiety, understandably.

   I get the impression there is a WHOLE LOT OF SHIT Kim could say about Kyle (that would be true) but she doesn’t want to throw her under a bus like that and create a serious Jerry Springer like circus for her family to be embarassed about.

   I hoped Kim asked them all to finally leave her alone in the limo. This had to be the case. I really need to believe that.

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    classy drunk
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 6:17 am

    “Does Kim have any more of a drinking problem than any of the other howives? DWI, slurred speech, loss of inhibitions, extreme attention seeking behavior, drunken catfights?”

    She can’t be any worse than Mary from RHODC. She was a walking wine bottle.

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    Stewinberri
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 6:37 am

    OH GAWD. How could I forget Mary? Puffy face and all. Remember the countess’ alleged drunken crotch grabbing? Vicki and her “my boobs want to come out and play”. The RHOC Naked Wasted clusterfuck. My all time favorite has to be Ramona and her “Tuuuurtle Tiiiiime” HA

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    ohralphie
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 6:46 am

    Loved the recap, Flipit! I’m looking forward to your views on the reunion shows.

    Taylor is a the worst person on the show bar none. Camille is a delusional, narcissitic bitch but Taylor is just plain evil. She is a cancer of misery that wants to spread to everyone around her. She chose to marry money and now bitches that moneybags isn’t Mauricio or any of the other husbands. She bitches that Russell doesn’t try and then bitches that the party he planned for her wasn’t something she would want/was planned by his assistants/the speech wasn’t right/etc… The one present her daughter loved she connived to get rid of almost from the moment the dog was revealed. Allegies? I don’t think so.
    The whole NY thing was Taylors fault, she knew it, Kim knew and eventually Lisa knew it. Taylor keeps provoking Kim in hopes that the twitchiness will deflect Taylors responsibility in the whole mess.
    Hopefully now that this has aired the other women are well aware of what a self serving asshat Taylor is.

    I have a different perspective on Kim and Kyle. I have the unfortunate luck to be the sister of not one but three addicts and I am here to tell you that it sucks. It effects the entire family in every negative way you can imagine. Yes – addicts are soul sucking, money sucking assholes. I don’t give a rats ass if it can be qualified as a ‘disease’ the truth is that they are harder then hell to live with and they make decisions that destroy families all the while putting on a defenseless, fragile, twitchy persona. Yeah – it gets old quick. Kyle was not talking about Kims behavior *of that night* she was erupting about Kims behavior for the last 20+ years. Does Kim have a right to be peeved that she was used as the family moneymaker during her childhood? Absolutely! But does that give her the right to live off of Mauricios earnings? Hell no. As far as the accusation of house stealing goes……I imagine Kim had to sell her house at a loss when the massive CA housing bubble burst and in her haze can only blame Mauricio for it as oppossed to understanding that everyone took it in the ass, not just her.

    Now can someone explain that weird half bump Pandora has been ‘wearing’ all season? If I’m not mistaken I saw it briefly at the party.

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    Where's My Coffee?
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 7:08 am

    Ah, so much to say! Flipit thank you for getting your recap posted so quickly. I couldn’t sleep after last night’s show.

    I’d said all along that Kim was trying to say that Taylor stirred up the crap w/Camille and Lisa stirs up the crap behind the scenes. Then Lisa acts all horrified when people act on her prodding.

    Taylor accosted Kim at her party because Kim is the only person Taylor dares to confront (except Snowball, but he’s not a person). Lisa told her to talk to Kim, so she dutifully complied. Except she got it all wrong. I love when Lisa said “Happy birthday darling” after the fight. Um, you caused this mess Lisa. Kim didn’t ruin anything.

    I just wish Kim had said she wasn’t going to discuss it and that they already dealt with it at the nail salon. But the girl gets flustered in the midst of confrontation. She warned everyone, but they don’t care. Kyle got to whip her some more. Taylor got to look like she’s a strong woman. Lisa got to stand back aghast at everyone’s behavior, and Ad finally made her opinion known. But they all talk in psycho-babble or silly one liners, so no wonder nothing ever gets accomplished. These people have no idea how to deal with real problems.

    I’ve also said all along that I bet one reason Kim did not speak up in NY on Kyle’s behalf is because Kyle probably DID say something snarky to Camille. Kim did not want to open that can of worms and get her sister into more trouble, so she just clammed up.

    My favorite part was watching Kyle try to cover her ass in the limo when she was lunging at Kim. I guess it’s not advisable to wear a slut dress when brawling with your sister. Oh, did you notice when Kyle first started getting annoyed with Kim? It was when Kim hugged her BFF. Jealous Kyle?

    The reunion is going to be uncomfortable. We need Teresa to push Kyle down, and we need NeNe to call Taylor a stupid fake bitch.

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    featherhead
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 7:16 am

    Did anyone else catch Camielle’s little “I was surprised it was a woman” that Kelsey left her for? She’s the gift that just keeps giving. One day ole’ Frasier is going to put a hit on her ass….

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    sojo
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 7:24 am

    I believe Camiele said “I believe in my heart that it’s a woman”-still a dig at Kelsey but she didn’t say she was surprised it was a woman

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    sojo
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 7:31 am

    After re-watching separate episodes, I like Camille. She has the money and the looks, but she doesn’t have the social skills-she doesn’t seem to know how to interact with strong successful women. Maybe because she spent most of her marriage insulated and focused on Kelsey? Also I used to make fun of her for having “staff” as her friends, but how nice is that? I bet alot of those women don’t even think of their staff as people-hence Kyle saying her nanny left in the middle of the night. ouch! Kyle probably made some snide remarks toward/about Camille, and Camille didn’t like it, but since she doesn’t have the right social skills (she says over and over that she’s shy) it turned out making Camille look bad instead of Kyle.
    Kyle—-I really can’t stand her. I don’t believe anything she says! She would have beat Kim in the limo to keep her from speaking! Okay-done with my rant-what an emotional show!!

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    featherhead
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 7:31 am

    sojo, I was close, I try not to pay too much attention to the crap that comes out of Camielle’s mouth, but I did do a head snap when I realized what she was implying.

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    xqzmoi
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 8:06 am

    I do not blame Lisa for suggesting Taylor work things out with Kim. Maybe she should’ve added the caveat not to do so at the party, but really, who would imagine that someone would choose their own party to do so? Taylor owns that one.

    Poor Kim. It seemed to me that she was “acting up” at the party merely because she felt confident in her dress, hair and makeup. As was alluded to earlier, it was important for her to feel on the same level as the other ladies and I think she was just feeling supremely happy for once (not saying that alcohol might not have been a contributing factor). What a shame that it ended with Kim being gang raped.

    Really, who are these women and why do they feel the need to share their psychotic personalities with us? I guess it makes us all feel better to know that rich crazy ain’t that different from broke crazy. Just better shoes. The whole lot of them is just pathetic.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 8:35 am

    @where’smycoffee: I also couldn’t sleep after last nights episode. I normally suffer from insomnia but rarely am I too disturbed to atleast lie down and relax with my blackberry. During the fight at the party, after Jim was ambushed and she noticed the whole room staring at her, she rushed off in tears and I couldn’t control the tears welling in my eyes. I’ve never felt so deeply for a housewife as I did right then. Damn you Bravo for reminding me these ladies are human and not two dimensional hangers on which to drape sparkly latex and costume jewelry.

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    sheesh
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Kim (or Jim…sorry I cracked up when I read that @sarc) has managed to do what Taylor and Camille has not done. Become somone that invokes symapthy from a bunch of snarkqueens. I just want to hug her.

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    Ollybeau
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 9:13 am

    @ohralphi- Agree with you. Kyle was reacting to lots more than we know about. It seems like Kim’s drinking has been an issue for a while, and that’s the real reason for Kyle’s anger, not the Camille situation. There’s been allusions to Kim’s problem throughout the season, with no one outright saying exactly what it was.
    However, I do think Kyle was way out of line. Maybe she was completely fed up, but she handled everything horribly. And on television no less.

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    Tvsnarkeling
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 9:17 am

    I have not read this great review, but wanted to add something about Taylor. She is the type of girl friend that tries to set up a close friendship by revealling intimate information. I find Taylor easily confiding with Kyle, who she has not know for very long, about her marital problems, distrubing. Russel has not changed, so why all of a sudden it is an issue? She is manipulating Kyle into a close friendship.
    I have known girlfriends to do this and give information I do not want to hear. HOpefully Kyle does not recipricate and reveal information about herself, and there seems to be a vast amount of family secrets.

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    Where's My Coffee?
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 9:41 am

    @ Tvsnarking I agree with you about Taylor. She tries to make up for her own self loathing by picking on those less powerful. She even went Oklahoma on Snowball’s ass last night.

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    Erin Solis
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    It amazes me how quickly my perception changes on this show.

    Camille – Going into the season I felt sorry for her. Her husband of 13 years knocked up a stewardess and essentially dumped her. Then the show aired and I wondered if what I was seeing was real. I believe that the beginning of the series was the real Camille. I think her level of self awareness as at zero and being surrounded by her friends/employees didn’t help matters. When she started her typical trash talking about her marriage she thought that she would have sympathy once again, except it backfired. It seems that is when she started her damage control; and I think WWHL was her eating crow. I still don’t like the woman, and I personally think Kelsey is just as f***ed up as she is.

    Adrianne – I really loved her and Paul. I am sure she is fully aware of the cameras and everything that is going on. She is a sharp one. There is nothing going to be shown that she does not want to be shown. She is using this show as a medium to promote herself and her business and she did so with grace and class. The relationship with Paul seems so sincere. He worships her and it shows.

    Lisa – I think Lisa is doing the same as Adrianne, except being a little less reserved with the cameras. She is really careful to tread a fine line of letting everyone see what is going on, except with a close rein in on the man behind the curtain. The last few episodes have been pretty telling. She has been more assertive. The issue with Taylor was a big one. I don’t know if anyone else thought so, but she instigated Taylor’s “confrontation” with Kim. Where I think that Lisa put it out there that she wanted Taylor to “clear the air” with Kim. Did she really think that Taylor’s party was the best time to do this? Really? Kyle had already made mention that Kim was drunk, Lisa knew the history with the both of them, so I once again question her intentions and timing. Something about the whole thing is not okay.

    Taylor – Lisa nailed it last night when she said that Taylor wants the BH lifestyle even if it means sacrificing true happiness. Taylor married for money. There is really no question about it. I also think that Taylor was playing both sides of the fence. She was in both Kyle and Camille’s ear. The really interesting thing I thought was Kim caught it. She knew what was up with Taylor, and everyone ignored her. On a separate note the dog issue really bugged me. Since this is a TV show it’s really not fair to say that she is making up Kennedy’s allergy. But if she is; it is just plain disgusting. She is telling her daughter that her puppy makes her sick. I have known people that make up illnesses for their kids for their own benefit. That is how this whole Snowball issue comes off to me.

    Kyle – Kyle started off the series as my favorite. I thought she was really fresh and honest. The Camille drama was the theme for this season and to a certain extent I stayed on Kyle’s side. The only thing that bugged me was her relationship with Kim. I didn’t like the way she treated Kim. The last fight with Kim was so hard to watch. I really thought that Kyle was out of line. She was looking to fight with Kim from the beginning of Taylor’s party. When she saw what was going on, she made a snap judgment and took Taylor’s side without finding out what really happened. As much as she claims she wanted to keep Kim’s personal life under wraps, she was just itching to out Kim. And she did. I know having a sister myself that there are issues that we go though. But I swear, no matter how mad I am at her I would never let anyone gang up on her like those women did. She is a lot like Kim in that she can’t defend herself when she is flustered and upset. Kyle should be ashamed of herself.

    Kim – I was so excited when I found out she was on this show. I watched her growing up. I am 31 and I remember her from childhood to teen. I thought that she was really quiet and reserved, with just a smack of crazy when the show aired. Then I read a few things. One that she is an alcoholic. The other is that her fiancé was murdered some time ago and the case I think is unsolved. I am not sure of the Kyle/Kim drama so I am excited to see the reunion. But back in the early 80’s the child labor laws were different then they are now. I believe that Kim was the sole bread winner for her family. The lifestyle that the family had was due to Kim. So I am wondering if these issues of taking care if Kim is due to how the family spent her earnings. It seems that Kim has said she didn’t have a normal education, and she didn’t have the social skills to develop among her peers (as was addressed with the makeup lesson). It’s been mentioned that Kim bought Kyle’s first car, and the family house. The “you stole my house” accusation might be that the house was left to Kyle, who was instructed to sell it to help care for Kim and the kids. There is a reason Mauricio had been paying for Kim. There is family history and drama that’s for sure, but I think that Kim was treated like crap this season by all of the women with the exception of Adrianne. I like Kim, like I said she reminds me of my kid sister and last night’s episode just made me sad for her.

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    xqzmoi
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Great recap, Flipit. I’m afraid like most everyone else, I couldn’t wait to comment and did so before reading your recap. “A Little Fall of Rain”. Poor Leech. GTFO and start your own family. THAT’S how it’s done. Have devil spawn of your own and then they can’t leave you.

    I totes agree about Taylor’s “friend.” All my friends have been in my backyard and to my barbecues.

    The thing I wondered about Kyle’s Real Medium: Shouldn’t she have at least attempted to be real by opening that baggie of mom’s hair instead of fondling it through her fingers? She’s good if she is getting vibes through the plastic. How does she know the mother of the worker who made that baggie didn’t die and she’s channeling an unknown? Well, you know, if you believe in that shit I think I have a valid argument.

    I agree with those who mentioned the sadness of the image of Kim in that limo all alone. That was just heartbreaking. I don’t care if she has a drinking problem or not, nothing she did that evening could have warranted the treatment she got. For all of Kyle’s seeming happiness with her husband, children and status, she’s got some real anger issues. I still cannot believe she went after Kim like that. She definitely needs therapy. I’m glad Ad and Martin were there to protect Kim from that crazy bitch.

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    Sue Sylvester
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    @Erin Solis, I am totally with you on the Snowball issue. It smells. I realize it’s trivial in the grand scheme of last night, but it’s staying with me. Taylor said that the doctor agreed that if Snowball went to live somewhere else, Kennedy could go play with him for a few hours every once in awhile and her allergies would be ok. Speaking as someone with allergies, that is not how they work. When I get within two feet of a feather pillow, everything kicks in immediately – eyes swelling, throat closing, etc. I walk away and it subsides just as quickly. But never, even if I haven’t been near one in years, could I go and just lie on one “for a few hours.” I’d be dead in 30 minutes! I’m convinced she made the whole thing up. She never wanted that dog because it was Russell’s idea. So this is her next chess move in the game. All that fake crying about poor Kennedy missing her dog was nothing but BS. That woman is twisted.

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    sunshine
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    This episode made me sad. I agree with all who say they used to like Kyle and now don’t. She’s a bully. I understand the burden of having a sister with issues. I had a brother who was schizophrenic. It’s hard on a family, but I would never have treated him like that. Especially on camera and in front of friends. If you think you can’t conduct yourself, don’t put your life out there! I felt so bad for Kim. It wasn’t her choice to be a child star. Their mother had a crazy hold on those girls. The way they talk about her sounds like she was very controlling, etc… Anyway, Kim is not strong enough for Kyle to attack her that way. Kyle could of handled that a million times better.

    I love Ad! She’s my favorite! So real! Lisa was my favorite in the beginning and now – not so much. She came off bad in the last couple of episodes. Taylor sucks. I agree, she is using her marriage woes to become close with Kyle. She knows Kyle is a sucker for someone in need, especially when they come to her for advice. I also hated the way Kyle could be friends with someone who is so nasty to your sister. Not in my family. I can get mad at them, but no one else better.

    I don’t know about Taylor’s giving away Snowball as a hoax. Russell wears the pants in that family and if he didn’t buy into it, I don’t think the dog would be going anywhere. Russell is a dick but you can tell he loves his daughter. Also, I know a ton of people give their dogs away when their child shows signs of being allergic. There can also be varying degrees of being allergic. My husband can’t breathe around cats and I just get itchy eyes.

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    Snootchy Bootches
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Sue, allergies aren’t always like that. Both my husband and I are allergic to cats. With him, just a few minutes will turn him into a giant itching snotball. But for me, I am fine for at least a few hours. If I am around one all day, my eyes will start to get a little bit itchy. It takes me about 3 days to have a full blown allergic reaction.

    However, I was slightly skeptical about how the doctor decided that the child was allergic to the dog. First of all, it was a type of dog that has hair not fur. They are less likely to cause allergies. Second, there was no skin test performed. I can see the doctor saying it is possible that she was allergic to the dog, but it could easily have been the dog shampoo or something else. They would have done skin tests to be sure… especially when it comes to a situation where a child would have to give up a beloved pet. It just seems a bit sketchy.

    Like everyone else, I was sickened by the way that Kim was treated. There is definitely a lot of history there. I can’t help but think that Kyle was always jealous of Kim as a child and that causes a lot of the anger she feels now.

    Thank you Flip for another amazing recap! Mwah!

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    Kyle drives me to drink.

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    Sue Sylvester
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    @Snooty, good points. I didn’t realize there had been no tests. Maybe Taylor talked to Kim’s doctor in Atlanta. If you remember, he allegedly told her (Kim) over a conversation at Chile’s – without an examination – that “I’m 95% sure you have cancer.” (thus leading to the wig habit, but I digress)
    I don’t know, maybe I’m just reading it wrong. But as the season went on, I just see Russell as more of a harmless doofus than the sinister guy that she has made him out to be. Sure he’s no great guy, he pretty much ignores his wife and they seem to have no connection whatsoever. But that’s her fault as much as his. At parties, I think he’s just socially awkward and not really into it. Taylor wants the romantic, fun, party guy so they will be a fabulous couple and everyone will be so jealous. But I doubt that’s ever who he was. I feel kind of bad for him. But at the same time, I can’t help but wonder if I’m being ridiculous for that …

    On another topic, I think the Richards mama did a number on those girls. Back in the first few episodes they each said a few things. Kim was the favorite, coddled because she was the money maker (and probably why she can’t do anything on her own now). Kyle, as the less successful sister, was left on her own, pretty much ignored. Bitterness all around. They’re probably due for some serious therapy.

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    dee
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    You’re absolutely right about Camille, Flipit.
    Wherever she goes she leaves a trail of shit. Which makes her a shit-snail. Mystery solved!

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    Ohana
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    I really don’t feel sorry for Kim. We have to understand that we don’t see everything that’s happening. from what I’ve understand Kim once bought a house for her mom, but when Kim got into money problems, she couldn’t make the payments of the house anymore and was facing foreclosure so Mauricio bought the house from her and now the whole family is using it as a vacationing Home, the house in Palm springs that we’ve seen in a previous episode.

    Aside from that Kyle and her husband also give Kim a monthly check. Plus they were helping them with her alcohol problems and other problems for a Loooong longgg time, even before their mother died. That’s why once Kyle said that before their mother died, she asked her to take care of her OLDER sis Kim. Kim has a lot of problems that we as viewers didn’t see, and everytime Kyle reacted agressively was because of underlying problems of Kim always being to needy to her sis Kyle.

    Now I understand that Kim was an actor and everything as a child, and maybe the family did live off her in the past, but enough is enough. I’d be tired of her to!! Where is the sister Kathy in this?? that’s what I want to know!!

    And for Kyle not saying anything about Kim’s problems with alcohol the whole season was very good of her. Now i understand all Kim’s twitching and other weird stuff.

    Just like any other person in a fight, you are going to yell some truths and stuff that yo wouldn’t normally say just because your angry, just like Kim, when she said stuf about Taylor’s lips LOL. So I think that Kyle did that in a moment of frustration!!

    And reading that Kim checked herself out of rehab really pisses me off, why doesn’t she want to look for help. She’s acting just like those addicts that think they know best.

    Kuddos to Kyle for dealing with all this CRAP being the YOUNGER sister!!

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    sunshine
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Maybe Taylor’s doctor did run the tests. They just may not have shown it. It would probably be deemed boring. Who knows?

    I also was wondering if maybe Russell has a mild form of Asperger’s? He just doesn’t connect with people. I would have thought he was just not that into her, but he also makes no effort with any of the husbands either.

    I’m still seething about Kyle. How can she say her mom wanted her to “protect” and “take care of ” Kim when all she does is bash her. I wonder how her mom would feel about Kyle announcing that promise to the world? That is so degrading to Kim. She is already fragile and now she has Kyle telling everyone she is so pathetic that she has to be taken care of. Poor Kim was just having fun and feeling pretty at the party. Also, she couldn’t have been that drunk – she definitely remembered every word verbatim that Taylor said.

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    Mary
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    AMAZING recap AGAIN Flipit!! Thk u!! Loved the line about Kyle hiring a doorman to give Schmiel a hard time. LOL!! I was really interested to see what led up to Kyle lunging at Kim in the limo, figuring Kim must have done/said something outrageous but that wasn’t the case at all. I was horrified at how Kim was treated! My God, it was like watching a group of kids kick around a puppy. WTH?! Thx goodness for Fartin & Ad. I hoped so badly at the end that the cameramen put down down their equipment & hugged that poor women! Yes Flip, my heart broke. What made it even worse is how hard she tried to look pretty (she was! Loved the choker!) & fit in & little sis couldn’t wait to tear her down. Wow. Recap: Camille’s still an ahole; Ad’s still real & cool; Lisa bloom faded a tink; Kim won all our hearts (hugs Kim!); Taylor revealed her true colors (manipulative cruel selfish to the core Bitch); and Kyle lost our admiration & respect you low life bullying, nasty, hit below the belt Bitch (man I wish I could think of something stronger!!)!!

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    indcolts1813
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Regarding the dog – this really irritates me. As a person with severe allergies to just about everything on the planet (which were confirmed with skin tests), I know a few things about living with allergies. For one thing, Snowball is a maltese, and has hair, not fur. So yes, they are a lot easier on people with allergies. Second, this doctor was clearly not an allergist. He didn’t even test her for allergies or offer an alternative solutions outside of what Taylor wanted to hear. Since Snowball is a low-allergy dog, my guess is that when he goes outside he probably is bringing in pollen and other allergens in on his fur, and that is what is causing the allergy (if it even exists, which I am still skeptical of). This could be fixed with frequent baths, allergy reducing shampoo, and a shorter haircut. Thirdly, as a person that is allergic to dogs, but loves them too much to give them up (although, I do have a low-allergy shih tzu), I just take allergy medicine. It is NOT a big deal. Plus, the more children are exposed to dogs as children, the less likely they are going to be allergic to them later on. Taylor is so beyond selfish. She basically threw her daughter’s birthday party for herself, gets rid of her dog due to a made-up and treatable condition, and constantly puts her husband down just because he has an introverted personality (which she should have known before now), all while whining about her poor rich life – THAT SHE CHOSE FOR HERSELF – to anyone who will listen. I hate her the most of anyone on the show. She is so annoying. And her face is plastic and not at all attractive. She is an attention-seeking, gold-digging whore, and I feel no sympathy for her.

    On the other hand, I do feel a little bad for Camille. So she’s crazy and very insecure – it’s probably the result of having a famous, rich husband to whom you are never enough. Let’s face it – this could not have been the first time that he cheated…the man only married hookers, strippers, and dancers/playboy models for goodness’ sake. There is no way on earth that he just gave up his wandering ways because he got married. And there’s no way that a faithful and loving husband would just drop everything to knock up and marry a flight attendant after 13 years in a committed marriage. So Camille will probably never admit it, but I’m guessing that she’s known about this behavior for quite a while, because she’d have to be stupid to not be at least suspicious.

    Also, why does Adrienne always dress like a cheap hooker? And what is with the glitter in her hair – is she on her way to a Hannah Montana concert? I think I noticed it at Kyle’s party, too. I mean, I like her and all, but she needs to higher a stylist (one that she does not share with Miley Cyrus). But then again, the richest people tend to have the tackiest tastes in fashion and decor. Her house was a little gaudy for my tastes as well.

    My new order of favorites are as follows:
    1) Jiggy
    2) Lisa
    3) Adrienne
    4) Kim
    5) Camille
    6) Kyle
    7) Taylor

    I do not know why Kyle took such a turn for the worse, but she is really going to start feeling the backlash. She just kept getting more and more bitchy. I should have known, because I was never a fan of hers when she made appearances on Paris Hilton’s various shows, but I guess I thought that maybe I didn’t remember her correctly. And what grown-ass woman, with both grown and young children, goes partying at clubs with their 30-year-old party-girl/whore niece? It’s a little much. The craziest thing I do with my aunt is watch this show. One time my mom tried to get me to go to a club with her, and I absolutely refused, as is the normal reaction to such a ridiculous suggestion. I do not condone that type of behavior in adults. It’s just sad.

    So to sum up, Taylor is the devil, Kyle is a minion of the devil, and Camille’s not so bad after all. Never, in my history of watching the Real Housewives franchise, have I ever changed my perspective on characters so drastically in the course of a season.

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    Pixielated
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    If Kim is indeed an addict or alcoholic, that would explain some of Kyle’s hostility towards her. Also, that whole deal with their mom wanting Kyle to take care of Kim was a recipe for disaster. Sometimes parents really mess up sibling relationships.

    I am still WAAAAAY on Kim’s side. I NEVER liked the way Kyle treated her. I don’t believe in kicking a person when they’re down (though I recognize it gets tiresome when they’re down all the time). I also just hate it when grown ass people still hang onto those resentments and that anger from childhood. Grow up! Kim couldn’t help it if she was the favorite and the one that was a star. It was your mom who was messed up–and Kim’s paying for it now in spades.

    I’m sure Kyle thinks Kim’s weaknesses have allowed her to glide through life with people giving her stuff all the time. The flip side is that Kim is chronically depressed (IMO) and has major mental health issues (again IMO).

    As for Taylor and the dog: She just couldn’t STAND her husband stealing her thunder at the party. She had to get rid of that dog because it would always remind her of how he “selfishly” grabbed the spotlight from her! I feel so sorry for that poor kid, being used in a power struggle between her parents.

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    dtc
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    I know everyone is bashing Kyle right now but i honestly have to say I understand her. I may not condone how she handled the situation but i certainly understand how she got to that point. Unless you have dealt with a family member that is an addict or an alcoholic you could never relate. I am the sister of an alcoholic and have watched my entire family suffer because of it. I have watched my parents worry themselves to the point of physical illness over my brothers issues and they have repeatedly bailed him out one alcohol related situation after another. We as a family have suffered mentally, emotionally and financially due to the problems that my brother’s alcoholism creates and now that my parents getting up there in age they look to me to look out for my brother who is older than me so I can definitely relate to Kyle. You have no idea how awful it is to have to ask your own family (children, spouse) to make sacrifices such as money, and time away from you because of one of your family members. It’s made even worse if that person refuses to get help and most of the rest of the family look to you to be the responsible one. As I said I think Kyle could have handled it better but I know I personally have been pushed to the point that I wanted to lash out but that doesn’t mean that I don’t love my brother with all my heart. I’m just saying that we should cut Kyle some slack. It appears that she and Mauricio helped Kim out by buying the house that she was about to lose and she and Mauricio were supporting her financially (which explains why Kyle felt that she had a say so in what kind of house Kim should look for when she was moving). That’s a lot to carry around on top of the responsibility of her own family.

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    Thatswhatshesaid
    Posted January 21, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Man! When Klye lunged at Kim in that limo Kim immediately disappeared behind Adrienne! I never saw someone her age move so fast! You didn’t even see her for a few minutes!! That was real fear there. She knew Kyle meant business. Kyle really seemed way too angry. A lot of you have said it probably stems from years of frustration, but why blow up THAT night? Kim hadn’t done anything to provoke any of them. I felt so bad that she had gone to so much effort to look pretty and she did seem to genuinely be having a good time. I’m glad her best friend was there because she was better received by her friend than Klye (as someone else also pointed out). I did notice Kyle jealously watching Kim with her friend. I thought that was weird. And then she made the comment that Kim was acting drunk. Tasteless!
    If Kyle did say something catty to Camille and that’s why Kim isn’t speaking up, why not discuss it off camera? They don’t film 24/7. This argument only seems to come up on filmimg days. Man, I’ll never get the image of Kim alone in that limo out of my head. Whoever referenced Baby Jane back in the day was right. What if they (Kyle and Kim) are only acting and none of this is real? Maybe it’s wishful thinking, but I keep thinking that.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 3:53 am

    Here’s why I can’t be sympathetic for Kyle. If she’s aware of her sister’s fragile state, why provoke her? Why didn’t she just let Kim leave? If I saw my sister running off crying, I wouldn’t go after to toss more low blows in her direction. No, I think Kim came to the party happy, and pretty, and making an effort to be social and Kyle was seething with jealousy. Kyle is more comfortable around a socially awkward Kim, not a self-assured one. When Taylor confronted Kim, Kyle automatically took Taylor’s side! Even if she didn’t hear the beginning of the conversation, she had to know that Kim wouldn’t confront anyone at a party! Even we all know that!

    What made it even worse, is when Kyle tried to confront Kim in the limo, Kim waved her off, and Kyle just got downright nasty. The way she brought up Kim’s alcoholism was really low. She rushed to physically attack Kim and when Adrienne wouldn’t let her do so, she goes, “Well you know what you are, Kim? An alcoholic! There, I said it. Now EVERYBODY knows!”
    She wanted Kim exposed to all of America..she didn’t want Kim to get any sympathy as it seemed she was from Adrienne and Martin. Kyle was seething when it looked like they were taking Kim’s side over hers and wanted Kim to feel as embarrassed and ashamed as Kyle could make her at that moment. That was the only reason Kyle brought up the alcoholism.

    Kyle go soooooo much pleasure from doing that on camera. She wasn’t going to leave that limo until Kim was good and broken and she played the “even our dead mother thinks you’re a failure,” card. This behavior coupled with the other times this season that Kyle has put Kim down tells me that she likes to have the upper hand. She doesn’t want Kim to be on her own..she’d prefer KIm be dependent on her as to be able to better control her. Plus, I read that Kim receives $20,000/month in alimony and this is why she didn’t marry her youngest daughter’s father, lest be cut off. Who knows..I doubt Mauricio is breaking the bank taking care of Kim, I think this was an exaggeration on Kyle’s part in a “Look, America, at how good we are, we take care of Kim! We’re selfless people! Take my side, I’m the true victim here!” But it backfired because of the amount of venom in her words..it’s hard to see Kyle as the victim in this argument.

    Also…what does Lisa have against Kim?? Anytime Kyle got into an argument with Camille, especially at the dinner, you can hear Lisa playing peacemaker. “Oh, come on…stop that.” “Let’s not bring up NY.”
    But when Taylor confronted Kim, at Lisa’s suggestion, Lisa just stood next to Taylor and stared Kim down with the evil eye.
    Kim realized Lisa had a hand in Taylor’s confronting her and when Kim called Lisa a troublemaker, Lisa took one menacing step closer to Kim and said, “Excuse me?” and it was pretty creepy, no? Kim automatically backed down because Lisa meant business. But why did Lisa not take Kim’s side if she knew that Kim had been right about Taylor’s part in the drama? Why was she standing next to Taylor and Kyle..all of them glaring at poor Kim..how awful. I lost respect for pretty much everybody this episode except for the Maloof. She’s the only one who carried herself with dignity and class throughout the evening. I suspect she hated getting involved, but she she saw them gang up on Kim and Kim’s reaction, her heart melted, and that’s why she went down to the limo.

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    Snootchy Bootches
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 4:14 am

    I’m sorry, but I’m calling bullshit on everyone who is giving Kyle a pass because she has to endure a family member who MIGHT have an addiction. And, yes, I also have a very close family member who has an addiction so I know how it is too. But as has been already mentioned, Kim ducked behind Ad in true fear. Do you know why? Because that isn’t the first time that Kyle has physically attacked her sister. Duh! Dealing with a family member with an addiction DOES NOT EXCUSE physical brutality!!! FFS! And I would like to point out another thing… if it is so horrible to ENDURE Kim’s supposed alcoholism, then why did Kathy call Kim instead of Kyle? Wouldn’t you expect Kathy to also be ENDURING Kim’s alcoholism and therefore be more bonded with Kyle than Kim? Or do you think that it is because Kathy knows Kyle is a jealous manipulative abusive bully?

    I’m not even convinced that Kim is an alcoholic. There was certainly zero evidence of it this season. And based on other RH franchises, if she had been drunk, they would have shown it. Do I think she suffers from depression? Yes. I do. Do I think she could benefit from counselling? Absolutely. But so could most of the people on the show.

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    Thatswhatshesaid
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 4:21 am

    Amen sarcasatire! I was thinking the same thing about Kyle stopping Kim from leaving. If Kim is upset why not let her go home? Kyle was embarrassed by her anyway, why not let her go? And how horrible that after that explosive fight the remaining women could get together and pose for the camera like it was nothing? Again, why couldn’t Kyle have confronted Kim on a day when they weren’t filming? I felt like way too much was exposed and it made me uncomfortable. Kim’s personal demons should not have been used against her like that. If Kyle really believed Kim was drunk why rage against her in that state? Kyle should be used to a “drunk Kim” (which she didn’t appear to be at all)and know that that wasn’t the right time to confront her. And at Taylor’s bday party at that? Kyle really came off as an enraged bully towards a scared defenseless Kim and it was just crazy sad to watch. I haven’t read the bravo blogs yet, but I think someone said Kyle still defends Taylor and mentions Kim’s problems? What is wrong with her?! I wish the reunion wasn’t filmed so far in advance. I’m sure viewers would have A LOT to say about this finale.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 4:51 am

    Kyle has been in the shadows of her sisters’ success her whole life. Her acting career never took off, while her sister Kim was very famous in her day. Also, Kathy landed an extremely rich husband and lives in the public eye, something Kyle has always wanted for herself.
    Coming on RHoBH, Kyle thought she would be the breakout star. She knew Kathy wouldn’t be around to steal her thunder and considered Kim too much of a mess to be considered much more than a hasbeen, so Kyle’s plan was all set. She wore the right clothes, the right jewelry and makeup, sidled herself next to Lisa, and made sure to expose very little about her personal life, besides always saying how happy she is and how perfect things are going for her.

    I think it must be killing Kyle, that despite all of that effort, the show ended with her exposed as a vicious bully and with Kim as the most sympathetic cast member and the one that is considered the most real and honest. Kim wasn’t supposed to be more than a fringe character..a supporting actress to Kyle’s starring role. She never expected Kim to get so much airtime, to have so many people rooting for her, or for KIm to be seen as anything more than an extension of Kyle. This is why Kyle reminded us at every opportunity of Kim’s shortcomings.

    Even if Kyle wants the best for her sister, she goes about it in a vicious way. Kyle’s a social climber and sees Kim as an embarrassment. And her ‘helping’ Kim is less than encouraging. It’s more like, “Stand up straight, Kim. Why don’t you dress better? You look awful. You need a makeover, and some botox. No wonder you can’t get a man. Don’t you see I’m trying to help you? Or maybe you’d prefer to be lonely for the rest of your life, hmmm?”

    And now that Kyle’s true colors have been revealed, I’m now not so sure she didn’t say something offensive to Camille about her Hawaii trip. I’m sure this is why Kim didn’t want to say what Kyle said because she knew it was offensive and didn’t want to sell her sister up the river.

    I think Kyle is, in a sense, jealous of Camille. Not of her looks, per se, but probably her figure, and definitely of her wealth. Kelsey is worth atleast $100-$150 million, while Mauricio, I doubt, has more than $3 million in liquid assets. I suspect their house is heavily mortgaged (and is now up for sale).

    Kyle looks at women with such wealth as either someone she can cling to as she climbs the social ladder, such as Lisa, or she considers them as competition and undeserving of their wealth and status. I think she sees Camille as a bit trashy, from even humbler beginnings than Kyle and she cannot accept that Camille is considered by society to be from a higher social class than Kyle is.
    So I can totally see her passive-aggressively knocking Camille down a peg, just for kicks. Even though we may not know exactly what was said..I’m sure Kyle may have gotten in a little dig at Camille. It may not have been as direct as Camille made it seem but I believe Kyle said something that rubbed her the wrong way. I don’t see Camille making it up, as she really had no motivation for doing so. What would she have gained by doing that?

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 5:10 am

    @thatswhatshesaid: I read Kyle’s blog and it was so infuriating. She takes zero responsibility, still takes up for Taylor, but what’s even worse are the comments. I believe Camille when she says Bravo chooses who to depict as the villain and who they want to be shown in a positive light. It is so clear in the comments that they approve for each cast member. They approve negative comments for Camille and only the positive, uplifting comments for Kyle are posted by the moderators. As enraged as many people felt towards Kyle after this episode, you’d think there would be several comments on the board saying so. But even the ones that did criticize her were still sycophantic in nature. “Kyle I think you are an amazing mother and wife and it is sad that you have to endure Kim, and all of her faults. I think you may have hurt her feelings in the limo but I hope you make up and I wish you all the best!” So annoying. At least be honest, Bravo! More people seem pissed at Kyle than not, based on what I’ve read out in the blogosphere, so I cannot accept all the ass kissing of the commenters over at Bravo. It’s just so fake and ridiculous.

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    ohralphie
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 5:30 am

    Is Kyle perfect? No. Did she handle that night correctly? Hell no. Is she loving to her sister? Definately not.

    But is Kim as delicate as she appears? My guess is no. Addicts are the worst manipulative fuckers out there. Acting as wounded birds in need of love is what enables them to stay in marriages/keep jobs they should have been fired from/keep family members bailing their asses out time and again. It works. But make so mistake — there is a vicous side to addicts as well – just try telling them ‘no’ and you’ll see it.

    Again, Kyle is no angel and no doubt has problems (hello anger management!) of her own. But to think Kim is a twitchy fragile little thing is just as wrong. Just my opinion of course – but my opinion won from hard experience.

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    sojo
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 6:52 am

    we have no evidence that Kim is an alcoholic except for what Kyle says. She could have been bullied/threatened into going to rehab-she is very fragile. I don’t believe anything Kyle says. So she helps out Kim financially-so what? If you make a commitment to do that for someone, you do it-you don’t belly ache about it. She seems to expect Kim to be her punching board as payment. And she is verbally abusive. I’m glad it came out in this episode. I can’t stand bullies.

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    ohralphie
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 7:07 am

    This is what BH producer Dave Rupel had to say in his blog:
    As for what was said in the limo, well, Kyle’s outburst was a long time in coming. Perhaps now all the people who think Kyle is too mean to Kim will understand her constant frustration with her sister.

    I tend to believe a producer who has been with these ladies for months.

    Addicts look innocent and vulnerable but the truth is a lot more complex then that.

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    wasabipeas
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 7:34 am

    My sister has always been the favorite. She is cuter. She is bubblier. She married an addict and her life has been hard.
    Everyone thinks she is soooooooo pretty. There I sit, the ugly mop of the family. It is infuriating. It gets really old. BUT IT DOESN’T JUSTIFY HITTING MY SISTER ON NATIONAL TV!!!

    It was telling when Ad suggested therapy and Kyle said “I don’t want to.” I guess she would rather yell at Kim. Sad.

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    sojo
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 7:35 am

    I’m sure Kyle was in the producer’s ear for months…”Kim’s acting drunk!” Whether Kim is an alcoholic or not, Kyle’s behavior is unacceptable. I’m surprised that the producers would suppress this evidence of Kim being an alcoholic-they would think it is good ratings. However, if Kyle is the one who is being traumatized by Kim as she claims, she needs to go to therapy to learn to stand up for herself in healthier ways-i.e. NOT bullying. The best thing for them would be to go to therapy and disclose all of these “secrets”-once they are out in the open (in the safe environment of therapy) the secrets will lose their power and they can start to move forward. Like Adrienne said, communication is key. and having a therapist there to ensure all parties are heard. They can let go of the past and live again-if that means Kyle cutting off her sister financially, then so be it. Okay-off my soapbox! Wow! what emotions are stirred up by this show! Can’t wait for next season!

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 7:41 am

    Again…this is a Bravo producer. They manipulate storylines in hopes of creating a Hero vs Villain conflict. I mean, if Kim was such a messy drunk, why hasn’t Bravo ever caught it on tape? When Bravo filmed Mohammed’s party, why was there no footage of Kim being drunk and all we have to go on was Lisa’s implication?
    Ahhh…the power of suggestion. Say it enough times and it must be true.

    What I have seen, is Kyle and Lisa drinking wine all day long as Kim astutely pointed out. So, because Kyle is a functioning alcoholic, that makes her somehow better? They all could benefit from drying out from time to time.

    Back to the BH producer blog..how compassionate is a man who, when discussing the scene in the limo, only focuses on how great his cameramen are and how deserving they are of an Emmy? Yea..this sounds like a guy who has his priorities straight. He’s only concerned with ‘getting the shot’, good ratings, and keeping the Bravo storyline in tact.

    I mean..if there was so much dirt on Kim, why weren’t we privy to it? If Kyle had to bail Kim out so often, why wasn’t that ever captured on film?

    Remember the Easter episode when Kyle and Lisa were putting Kim down for using margarine, and Kim gave Kyle a look and a smirk..and Kyle says, “What’s that face? Are you trying to say you’re skinnier than me? Because you may be skinnier but atleast -” , and Lisa jumped in stop Kyle before she said something regrettable. Kyle was so ready to hit her sister with a low blow..and she wasn’t even angry there. It seems the insults come fast and loose for Kyle and she just loves putting Kim down.

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    sojo
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 8:07 am

    sarcasatire-exactly!!

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    ohralphie
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Again, Kyle is not a shining example of a humanity. Never claimed she was.

    If Kyle and producer and Lisa are lying about Kims alcoholism, then just what is her problem? Because she must have/be a problem if her mother felt the need to ‘will’ her to Kyle after her death. Someone mentioned Kim receiving $20 grand a MONTH as child support……IF that is the truth, then why is she financially strapped? Normal, well adjusted adults do not blow through that kind of money especially when they have no other source of income. Unless they count the kindness of family as income? That type of stupidity and/or extreme narcissism boggles the mind.
    Kim is at the very least a professional victim. A soul sucking psycho if you will. Having to be financially/emotionally/physically responsible for a sad sack with entitlement issues is a drag and will eventually wear one down to the point of a verbal blowup.
    That Kyle took it physical is unaccetable and shameful and absolutely disgusting. But it doesn’t make Kim innocent.

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    Ollybeau
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 9:42 am

    A couple of years ago, Vanity Fair had a long article about the Hiltons. It said that Mama Richards’ main ambition was for her daughters to be actors and/or marry wealthy men. Like her sisters, Kathy even acted for a while. But her major accomplishment was considered to be landing a Hilton.
    Sounds like an interesting mother.

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    Stewinberri
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Sorry, just not buying Kyle’s manipulative lying bs. The more I think about Camille’s comments regarding Kyle’s social status they seem more like responses to someone who was questioning and/or trashing her character. Someone who is not in a position to judge someone else. Like the ever classy uber aggressive Kyle.

    @sarcas I agree with your assessment that Kyle sees Cam as an undeserving pos therefore free to attack her. Undeserving or not she was married to the multi-millionaire actor and respected exec producer. I think that’s why Kim made the comment “Kyle needs to stay in her place” Kim tried to clean it up and say she meant emotionally but I think she meant both. Kyle is not the former child star, wealthy socialite or wife of the man who owns the real estate brokerage firm. Kyle is the hanger on and has always been the hanger on whether she wants to see herself as that or not. And she can’t stand it.

    Kyle’s constant belittling disdainful aggressive behavior towards Kim is the behavior of every female bully I have ever witnessed. You can never underestimate how low they will stoop to destroy a rival or anyone who deflects attention from them. Kim showed her up and outshined her when they were children (unintentionally) and she for damned sure isn’t going to ever let that happen again. Kyle is going to keep her foot on Kim’s neck and undermine her in any way she can. Kyle stealthily destroyed any chance Kim had of bonding with any of her castmates with her constant innuendo and put-downs. Once the other women knew Kyle didn’t respect her sister, none of them would. Pretty much insuring Kim would be the outcast and whipping girl.

    Some of you have mentioned your own experiences and frustrations with addictive relatives. Most of you would never put them on blast like Kyle did with Kim or constantly draw attention to behavior that would indicate an addiction. Often the exact opposite is true. My experience has been they are more likely to be cut off from any contact or support but not a public outing. And when family members begin to tell why they refuse to deal with the person they give specific examples e.g. tired of being stolen from, the financial drain, they are to disruptive/violent, my children cannot be exposed to this etc. Kyle only says the same things about Kim that she said about Cam…you are sick, crazy, delusional. What kind of person says that to someone in front of a group of people? This is why I have a problem with Kyle’s story. All of it seems so exaggerated and uncalled for. Her behavior more that of a bully than victim.

    I hate the way she picks apart and becomes angry with Kim over insignificant or inappropriate things. Seems like Kim is always being either gaslighted or attacked. No wonder she comes across as unconfident and unsure of herself in arguments. No matter how right she is the group is going to gang up on her and tell her she is wrong or she doesn’t know what she is talking about (Lisa and Taylor not really your friends). I suspect Kyle and “her friends” have been doing this to Kim all her life. If Kim isn’t intimidated by the group then Kyle will resort to violence, as we saw in the limo scene.

    Bullies like Kyle ALWAYS LIE and/or DISTORT FACTS! Often accusing others of their own transgressions. They also manipulate others into believing the exact opposite of what is true about their victims while claiming to be the victim themselves.

    Per celebritynetworth.com Kim’s estimated networth 20 milllion. Maybe Mo helping her manage her finances and administering an allowance, but giving her money? hmmmm

    Got this from another site, haven’t had the time to rewatch with closed captioning on. Said during limo scene;

    Kim: Oh I’m the alcoholic?

    Kyle: QUIET!

    Kim: Who drinks all damned day

    Kyle: I’m getting out!

    Why Kyle, is it because you can’t shut Kim up or kick her ass?

    Said it before, I think there is a lot Kim can say about Kyle but she doesn’t want to escalate this clusterfuck even further. Kyle like most bullies will throw down verbally and physically like asshats that appear on Jerry and Maury. No class or shame whatsoever, as long as they come out on top. I have unfortunately witnessed women like her in the most unlikeliest social and professional environments. Most will back down because they don’t want to take it there. Kyle is a vicious bully.

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    sojo
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 10:07 am

    ohralphie-I think we can agree to disagree on this one-we both have valid points. The reunion should be interesting and it’s possible it could answer some of our questions-but I’m not holding my breath.

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    sojo
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Stewinberri-I couldn’t have said it better myself-I agree 100%

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    notwithoutmytv
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Word, brah. At the end of the day, I agree 115%.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Well said, Stewinberri.

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    xqzmoi
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Just want to throw this out there regarding Kim going to rehab and then checking herself out a week later: Are we just making an assumption that she check into rehab for alcoholism just because Kyle called her out for that? There are different kinds of rehabs, including ones for emotional issues, and some are more like spas. Could be that Kim just wanted to get away from everyone and checked herself in, enjoyed a week of peace and quiet, then checked back out.

    Can’t wait for the reunion show. Funny how even on the promos it appears that everyone’s still on Kyle’s side. I would somehow expect that to change.

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    Where's My Coffee?
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 11:50 am

    I expect there’s a huge disconnect between Bravo & the cast and the viewers. There will probably be plenty of Kim bashing in the reunion show. I don’t think Bravo realized that all along, the viewers were getting what Kim was trying to say. I don’t even think Kim realizes it.

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    Snootchy Bootches
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Ohralphie, you said: “Kim is at the very least a professional victim. A soul sucking psycho if you will. Having to be financially/emotionally/physically responsible for a sad sack with entitlement issues is a drag and will eventually wear one down to the point of a verbal blowup.”

    Soul sucking psycho? Seriously? Were you watching the same show I did? Or did you just get caught up in your own side of the discussion. I certainly never saw any indication of her being a psycho, soul sucking or otherwise. In fact, there was NO NONE ZILCH ZERO ZIP evidence that she was ANY kind of addict. I never EVER saw her even ask Kyle for help. I saw Kyle belittling her and saying she was always asking for help. Funny how the cameras NEVER got that on tape. And funny how they never caught her drunk either. Hmm.. guess the world should just always take Kyle’s opinion as fact, right?

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    This whole season seemed to have been a vehicle to make Kyle a star. She should’ve had Camille’s opening line, “Time to step out of my sisters’ shadows and shine!”

    I read this little tidbit from the producer’s blog:
    “..much of the cast came out of Kyle, who was the first person to sign on. Kyle led us to her sister Kim, and her good friend Lisa, who in turn led us to her neighbor Adrienne, who was already friends with Taylor. Finally, when Bravo really hoped we could add a celebrity’s wife, it was Kyle who suggested Camille, whom she knew because of Mauricio’s job as Kelsey and Camille’s realtor.”

    So Kyle was the first person to sign on..she chose most of the rest of the cast, and probably had a say in how she was depicted. I think what sealed Camille’s fate was a conflict with Kyle so early in the season. This assured Camille would get the Villain edit because Kyle was definitely filmed as the protagonist, the main character, and the one who connected all of the ladies. Of course, the producers probably had no idea that Kyle’s viciousness would be so evident to the viewer as they relied on Camille and the backlash surrounding her to deflect from any of Kyle’s bad behavior. WRONG!

    Oh..I also watched a video with Taylor and her two guy friends and one of them ‘casually’ mentions that Russell has three kids by 3 different women!

    @Where’smy coffee: Don’t you think it’s weird that Bravo chose to show the airport scene during the finale, but never anytime before? O

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    Jaime Sommers
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    I hate Kyle. I’ve hated Kyle from the beginning. I hate her fake laugh, her fake empathy, and her stupid twirling around her own hair when she’s dancing. We get it. You have long beautiful hair. Too bad it’s your only redeeming quality. I thought it was really telling the way she walked off in a snit when Ad suggested therapy. No, it’s much more comfortable and fulfilling to be the “wonderful” “martyr”. Cunt. I hated Taylor from the beginning too. Passive Aggressive idiot. I’m really not a huge fan of Lisa–I find it a little disgusting that her dog is used like a fashion accessory. Maybe if you put him down on the goddamn ground once in a while so he can get some normal exercise, and get him out of his clothes, some of his fur might grow back. Camille? Meh. Really don’t care either way. Adrienne is my favorite–she’s a smart, sensible bad-ass. And how could you not like someone like Kim, who has a happy, fat Goldren Retriever? For a “weak addict”, she seems remarkably down-to-earth if not the most secure person in the world.

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    lindaw205
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Have to agree with what everyone is saying about Kyle. My brother had problems with alcohol and drugs and while he certainly put our family through a lot I would never, ever humiliate him the way Kyle did Kim. Kyle seems to do everything she can to undermine what little self worth Kim has and is a vile, repulsive bully. The helpless, lost look on Kim’s face was heartbreaking.

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    xqzmoi
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    My only issue with Kyle’s possible orchestrating the direction of the edit is, why on earth would she choose Camille to be the villian. Kyle’s smart enough to know which side her bread is buttered on and I can’t imagine she’d jeopardize her family’s cash cow like that. Then again, in Vegas when push came to shove, Kyle definitely “went there.”

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    I don’t think Kyle chose Camille to be the villain. I think as Kyle was chosen to be the protagonist, anyone that ended up in direct conflict with her during filming would be made to look like the bad guy. This is mostly the work of the producers..we as individuals usually know that hardly anyone is faultless in a feud.

    Knowing that Kyle was behind Camille being on the show..she probably saw Camille as competition and resented having to invite her on. I mean, even after Kyle signed on and brought her friends along, it wasn’t good enough for Bravo. They wanted a celebrity’s wife. I’m sure, deep down, Kyle resented how Bravo scrambled for Camille to be added to the cast just because of her wealth and status.

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    xqzmoi
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Aha! Light bulb. Can’t wait to see the aftermath of this mess.

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    Snootchy Bootches
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    I wonder if Kyle being on the show was dependent on her getting some really rich and/or famous housewives to join. After all, she is the “poorest” of the bunch. Well, Kim maybe too, but she has her fame too.

    And I doubt Kyle orchestrated the portrayal of Camille. I think Camille just gave them so much to work with that they knew it was television gold. To be honest, they did the same to Kyle. They gave Kyle a good edit until she kept giving them so much bad material that they couldn’t resist showing.

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    katygirl
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    How can some of you watch 20% of a person’s life over a few months and claim to understand why they do what they do. You invent scenarios to explain their behavior like you have been privy to their innermost thoughts. I enjoy these shows tremendously but I know I’m only seeing the tip of the iceberg and would never presume to know why someone acts the way they do. Some of you sound so judgmental and mean toward people you don’t know at all.

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    xqzmoi
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    I wasn’t aware that I needed to know anything but basic human decency in order to make the judgement that it’s not okay to physically attack someone. At any rate, these people signed up and are getting paid to be our punching (ho)bags. That’s what happens when you sell your soul to the (Bravo) devil. KNOW THAT.

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    Funtimes
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    I know people feel bad for Kim but I can see where Kyle is coming from. Like people have said, this was not because of NY or because of the party but something that has been many years coming. Anybody who has had to deal with someone with a substance abuse problem knows that it is NOT easy at all and it is very frustrating to have to constantly pick up the pieces after someone all the time. Obviously Kyle has been dealing with Kim’s illness for quite sometime and it has just blown up after a long time being held in. Kim seems to have a lot of issues and should definitely get some help for them. I have a sibling with a substance abuse problem and I can personally attest to how it is emotionally draining to constantly watch after someone and at the same time watch over your back because you never know what they are going to do next. I hope Kim gets help and gets better.

    As for Camille, she made her bed, she should lay in it. Nobody made her say the things she did or act the way she did. She was constantly putting others down for not being “a celebrity’s wife” like she was. Also I can’t get over how she said she is like a “single mother” and does “30% more work than any other wife”. 30% more work because you told your house manager to plan a trip to one of your vacation homes and you had to ::gasp:: pack your own bags and wake up at 5 AM for the car service? Get over yourself. When you go through an actual pregnancy for 9 months, be in labor for over 48 hours, then raise them and spend every second of the day with them while trying to work and support them, then come back and talk to me. 4 live in nannies and surrogates? She truly is delusional.

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    xqzmoi
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    I understand that Kyle’s explosion may have been a long time in the making, but what exactly do you suppose Kim did that evening to prompt that attack? Certainly nothing shown to the viewers. We only saw her showing up looking gorgeous and feeling confident, being attacked by Taylor et al, and leaving the party quietly. I can somewhat understand the inner rage you can have at a dependent family member, but methinks Miss Kyle was WAY over the top on this. I hope they all get help.

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    sojo
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    I don’t agree with funtimes. We have no proof except Kyle’s word that this was “a long time coming”. It seems to me that Kyle’s abuse has been happening “a long time”. Like someone else pointed out, we saw nothing showing Kim leaving Kyle to pick up pieces-what, she couldn’t make Kyle’s daughter’s birthday on time? What the heck did Kyle need help with-she had a ton! Oh, she was late to that hot shot party a couple of episodes ago? Oh pooorr Kyle!!! How AWFUL for her! (okay-that was sarcasm) And how was Kim acting like a victim at the party? Because she was sitting down and starting to enjoy herself and Taylor came and started shit? And Kim isn’t good with confrontation-she could’t speak-and then Kyle came and the abuse started? I don’t see professional victim there-I see mean girls and bullies.

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    ohraphie
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    There have been a lot of great and valid points made in this thread. I really enjoy reading other peoples points of views. I still view Kim as manipulative and still believe that there is a lot of history between the sisters, and Kyle had no right to get physical with Kim regardless of the provocation — and I agree, that night Kim didn’t act in anyway deserving of Kyles extreme reaction. Taylor was once again the provacatur in the situation. Deflecting her own guilt by poking Kim into a full-on spazz attack.
    But, if Kim is not a sad sack then why the whole trying to find an affodable smaller house to rent if she is truly worth 20 million? Why was she left to Kyle like so much silver or a china hutch at her mothers death?

    One thing is for sure, MaMa Richards pulled one hell of a number on her daughters.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    At every function this season, there was alcohol served and Kyle ended up loud and belligerent. I think we’ve just identified the angry drunk.

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    guilty pleasure
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    Haven’t read all the comments or the recap yet but I thought Kyle’s behavior was just despicable in this episode. She obviously has anger management issues. I wouldn’t be surprised if Kim has had alcohol problems or even alcoholism (see almost every other child star out there). But Kyle being mentally & physically abusive is no help. First, why not let Kim leave!!?!!!? Kyle insisted she not be allowed to leave. Second, what 40 year old physically attacks their sister!!?! Ugh. And Taylor is just as bad for targeting what is clearly the weakest link. Never thought I’d say it, but I think Kyle and Taylor are worse than Camille.

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    MtnMama
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    “what exactly do you suppose Kim did that evening to prompt that attack?”

    I think she was tipsy, Kyle noticed. Then Kyle saw the confrontation with Taylor and believed (erroneously) that Kim instigtated it. Hence, irrational explosion.

    I do need to make a comment about pregnancy here since I’ve seen Camille bashed so many places about surrogacy. (GAWD! Defending Camille might drive ME to drink)! Carrying a child for nine months does not a mother make. Mothers come in all forms and biology/pregnancy does not ensure diddly-squat when it comes to being a good mom.

    Note – the airport scene was shown in the NY episode and on another occasion if I recall correctly, not just during the finale.

    Question: If Camille gets four nannies for two kids, where are my eight nannies for my four kids?? I really need to more clearly define my needs during my next life …

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    Robinez
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    I may be wrong, but no time in the course of the show, or anywhere else, have I heard Kyle say she sends her Sister a check every month. The first time I heard it was here from another poster. As far as the second wife thing, Kyle was so wrong. Because according to her thinking, my husband has a bunch of wives. If my Sister, Aunt, Mother..needs my husband to do something for them he is SUPPOSED to do it. That’s what family does.

    Sarcas, I have never heard Kyle tell Kim to “Stand up straight, get botox, dress better..etc.. It may seem like everything she say’s to Kim is derogatory, and in the middle of the season I started telling her via my TV to cut her some slack, but she hasn’t, until this last episode, said anything on camera close to those kinds of put downs.

    As far as Kims “addiction(s), I have no clue. I do know that at the party when she was introduced to Martin she disapeared many times to use the powder room and couldn’t be found. She also had to be driven home even though she refused drinks on camera. She must have thought that her behavior was unusual too, because on her blog she said she got “lost”. Four times. She herself mentioned that she doesn’t go the the lunches ( set up by Bravo). I wonder why. Is it because, as she said, she doesn’t like anyone? Or maybe it’s because it would look funny if she forgot her way back from the bathroom again and again?

    Another thing. When Kim was asked about the conversation between Cameltoe and Kyle and she replied ” I don’t like conflict” you could see the look of betrayal on Kyle’s face. You could see how hurt she was because her sister wasn’t there for her. Kim knew what happened. It didn’t look to me like Kyle was asking her to do anything but tell the truth. If Kyle DID say what Camille was talking about she surely wouldn’t have asked Kim to come to her aid knowing how lily livered Kim is. I think she truly thought Kim would stand up for her. Folks might think Kyle is a bully, but I betcha she has been a bully for Kim for many yrs and she wouldn’t stand for someone hurting her.

    I think Kim is still stuck on “I did all this for you and now I expect payback in return”. Because, to be honest, I have never heard about anything monetary concerning Kyle helping Kim. But I have heard Kim mention more than once, how she bought Kyles first car, the house etc..If she wanted us to know, and we don’t even know her, I wonder how many times Kyle has been reminded of it?

    It makes me kinda sad for them because I like them both.I hope they can mend fences and I agree with another poster,therapy could do them a world of good.

    Now, back to the ones I love to hate! I was almost willing to give Camille a break at the Tony’s episode. But then she kissed her boy toy on the lips and the look she gave to the camera as she was walking away was ..like she was showing off..then I got to thinking about her reasons for showing up in the first place. She knew damned well she was staying at a Hotel. You know she wrote something to her house manager that took her 30% more time than the rest of us.It prob said “ship my 30 cases to the apt”. And the house manager replied ” I am not shitting you, you are staying at a hotel”. I think she went to the Tony’s because she knew it would never happen in her lifetime again. To walk the carpet at the Tony’s. And she is such an attention whore she will take it anyway she can get it. Even if it means showing up with a man that doesn’t care enough about you or your family to try to make the break-up as smooth as possible.

    Taylor is a slack jaw. She will go where the $ is. She would never be able to live in a nice little 3 bedroom house in the country.She will never be satisfied. She wants romance and love, but she will settle for money everytime. She is also a troublemaker. While Kim and Kyle already pretty much carry some trouble baggage and don’t need anymore, Taylor likes to start trouble and then get idignant when someone calls her on it. Two people were fighting and Taylor relished getting her nose in it and making the conflict worse. The problem here was Taylor was getting in between sisters. It’s a no swim situation. Did I say no swim? Cant get my mind off those trout lips..gotta move on.

    Lisa and Ad were ok. I liked Lisa more prob because I saw her more and I just love a Brit’s wit. I saw a clip with Ken. He was talking about someone with alot of venom. Said he despised the person. I wonder if he was talking about leach? I read that it may have been the guy that accousted them at the restaurant. Not sure, he looked pretty mad for it to be some random guy. I also can’t imagine Lisa crying about some random guy. She would have had something snarky to say

    Thanks for getting it up so fast Flipit! Great re-cap

    TC,Robin

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 3:11 am

    @robinez: My point was that in Kyle’s mind she may be helping her sister, but she goes about it via putdowns. For example, at a dinner the ladies were having, Kim mentioned going a blind date. Kyle said, and I’m paraphrasing, “You need me to pick your dates for you. You know you haven’t done a good job of picking them before.” And she said this in front of everyone…how condescending. But of course in Kyle’s mind, she was being a helpful sister.

    Everyone keeps bringing up Kim not ‘having Kyle’s back’ regarding the Camille conversation, like this is the reason Kyle has demeaned her all season. In my opinion, Kim’s attempts to expose Taylor as the catalyst in the drama was in an effort to clear her sister’s name and also show Camille who the instigator was. But when Taylor threatened to kick Kim’s ass, Kyle said nothing. Did she have her sister’s back?
    When Lisa was rude to Kim for not calling Martin, did Kyle stick up for her?

    Loyalty is a two way street…and it seemed like Kyle would sell her sister up the river if it got her an “in” with the moneyed set.

    I see Taylor as a social climber who has no patience for people who are not part of a certain income bracket. She never gave Kim a chance, even from the Sacramento trip, because in her mind, Kim had nothing to offer her.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 3:14 am

    Whatever happened to Kim’s jewelry line? Those pave’ bracelets were cute. I’m sure she’d sell plenty now, just based on the outpouring of support she has right now. (If no other reason, than to help her gain financial independence from Kyle…not that I believe Kyle is supporting her *shrugs*)

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    mulecitybabe
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 5:32 am

    Kyle’s a hateful, jealous, spiteful shrew. Kim’s a needy pleaser with no self-esteem. And if they’re both bat-shit crazy, their thankfully now-deceased mom can step up to the podium and take the bow for that one. What a mess.

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    whoochile
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 6:08 am

    well said, thank you Mtnmama! I was just getting ready to comment about the pregnancy. If Camille acted(or was shown) like a loving mother then people would probably not bring up her not carrying her children. However, you are so right, just because you can carry a pregnancy does not make you a better mother
    Have we ever heard why she couldn’t/or chose not to become pregnant? I know about the IBS, we all make fun of the possibility of her not ruining her figure, but has she actually said why?
    Oy, this episode was Cuh-Ray-Zee! I don’t know what to think about the dynamic between sisters. My husband watched a little of the fight and didn’t understand anything until I said something about them being sisters. He immediately said that explains it. Anyway, I’m intrigued.
    Can’t stand taylor, yuck! She’s nasty, a little Zarinish. As for my fav Lisa, hmmm, I was a little disappointed about her getting involved. I wonder if the timeline we were shown was off? I can’t figure out why she would have brought up the whole NY thing AGAIN! My goodness, these women are like a dog with a bone about it. However, I can’t believe that they can’t just all admit that Tay-tay totally backstabbed them all to camille. Just let it die! I think there must be some other things going on that would cause Lisa to get all Mama Caroline on tay-tay.
    I’m just going to say it, I love Ad’s tinsel! But it makes me sad that they always show her rejecting food, she’ super cute though.

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    shantigal
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 9:27 am

    @whoochile, I’m glad you mentioned the Zarin. From what I recall, she was also the first housewife signed on for the NY franchise. I’m wondering if Bravo somehow implies to them that they are the “lead” housewife or if the first signed just assumes that they are and that they have some kind of say in what direction the season will take. It’s too suspicious that both the Jill/Bethenny and Kyle/Camille catalyst convos both happened when not filming, yet an entire season was built around said conversations. Come to think of it, Vickie and Jeanna’s break-up also happened off camera.

    As for Tay, you can take the girl out of Oklahoma….

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    Thatswhatshesaid
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 11:12 am

    @Sarcasatire: I read Kyle’s blog and was annoyed. It read like her PR person wrote it for damage control. I just saw that there are 712 comments. When I looked the other day several people were blasting her, but plenty were still kissing her butt. I read the producer’s blog and HE blatantly sided with Klye and felt the limo scene JUSTIFIED and EXPLAINED why Kyle exploded. He event said the erruption was a long time coming! He got blasted in the comments as well…
    *disclaimer: I’m behind on the comments on this thread so if anyone else already pointed this out, sorry for the duplication.

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    Snootchy Bootches
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Yeah and they didn’t allow my comment either! I didn’t even curse or anything. I made a statement about the anger in Kyle being a manifestation of the resentment of always being in the shadow of a sister. As a child she was outshone by Kim’s star and as an adult she has been outshown by Kathy’s money and fame. I also suggested therapy. No really, it was a sensible comment. I didn’t call Kyle a whore or a twat or a social climber or a fake as bitch or anything! If I known they were going to ignore it, maybe I would have.

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    AlexEsq
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Gotta say, I have been Team Kyle for most of the episodes. Myself having had an (older) sister, who was always the professional victim, and could never care for herself without (my, or others’)assistance, I sympathized with Kyle. I believe previous posters called Kim lily-livered, fragile, socially inept…Kudooz for zeroing in on the ethos of someone who lives in their own bubble and does NOT want to face reality, aging, altered monetery circumstances – and care for themselves. Nor do they need TO IF OTHERS CONTINUALLY ENABLE THEM.

    I believe most of this trauma is the legacy of Big Kathy (WHO NOW THAT SHE IS DEAD SEEMS TO HAVE ASSUMED A SAINTLY ROLE IN MEMORY), but who in all actuality seemed to have been a “piss-poor” (and I am quoting Maya Angelou about her own mother here) to the Richards girls. And, BTW Kathy Hilton is 10 yrs older & only half-sister to Kyle and Kim, which kinda explains why she is absent from this situation and has not remedied Kim’s angst with her endless millions.

    Finally, and this is just readin between the lines, I think when Kyle says she does not want to get HELP, I think she is saying I do not want to get help NOW. When you are done you are done, and I have to believe she offered to get help many times in the past and was rebuffed. Just my humble two cents.

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    Thatswhatshesaid
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    @Snootchy Bootches: Haha! I’ve read many people complaining that their comments don’t get through on Bravo. There were plenty of angry posts so I’m sure in some way your thoughts were represented.
    I too was a fan of Kyle’s at the beginning. I was very disturbed to see her LUNGE at Kim!! By Kim’s reaction, it wasn’t the firt time. I’m going to watch the limo scene again with closed captioning on to see if the exchange someone wrote above is the same as what I have on my tv. Veeeeery interesting. I am defintely Team Kim in this situation.

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    notwithoutmytv
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    There was a story on Bravo programming about a year back in the New York Times. Several Bravo big kahunas were interviewed, and they say they DO monitor comments boards and social media, and their storylines are driven by what people are talking about. BUT, the only problem is, they go with whatever has people the most animated. (And by “animated”, of course, they mean “upset”.) They use the reactions to figure out who the villains should be, or, in the absence of a villain, who should go completely off their rocker and become the “bless her heart” character. So be advised, the more you post about Kyle, the more you’ll see her on the show, acting like a twatwaffle.

    I’m pretty sure that’s what happened with Jill Zarin, when she went from being grating and annoying to gassing Kurdish villages in, like, two episodes.

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    notwithoutmytv
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    It makes me wonder if Camille was originally cast as the villain, or if it just turned out that people hated her the most and the most often, so they created story lines and edited her as the villain.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    “or if it just turned out that people hated her the most and the most often, so they created story lines and edited her as the villain.”

    I’m gonna go with this option. I’m sure all of the ladies have said and done unflattering things on camera and I’m sure they have all been fed lines as well. But once Camille tangoed with Kyle, who was the fan favorite ever since the first WWHL with the entire cast…it seamed clear that all of her unflattering comments would end up being aired. And very litle unflattering footage would be shown of Kyle..making the decision of good vs evil quite simple for us, the great unwashed.

    As the show is filmed several months in advance..I’m sure they don’t reshoot scenes as they re-edit them to suit their liking.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Poor Camille…had she thrown shade at Taylor instead, she may have ended up as a more likable character.

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    Flipit
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    love reading these comments. i get enough pages to blabber my opinions, so i won’t bore you with them in the comments section. all i will say is “poor camille”?!?!?!?! oh lord. i just never thought i’d see the day!

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    dtc
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    I have to say that I agree with the poster that said that addicts are great actors. I personally know that addicts could out perform a lot of oscar winners.This is one of the first things that Al-Anon teaches you. Addicts manipulate to get what they want. That’s how the enabler/addict relationship is built. I continue to this day to watch my parents be manipulated by my sibling and they continue the co-dependent relationship and I believe they always will. They are loving him to death basically (another Al-Anon term). i really don’t think that Kyle was going to smack Kim or assault her, I think she was merely going to get in her face out of frustration. Kim jumping behind Ad like a scared little girl got exactly the reaction that she wanted from Ad and the viewers. This doesn’t mean that Kim is evil either and that’s not what I’m implying. If she truly is an addict or alcoholic then this is just a symptom of her disease. I could go on but suffice it to say that I have gotten in to verbal altercations with my sibling trying to get him to see what he is putting our parents through and the frustration that we are all enduring (usually after one of my mom’s late night phone calls in which she is sobbing and sounding very near a nervous breakdown) and in just about every instance I have come out looking like the bad guy with no back up from my parents. It’s just a frustrating situation that I’m not sure anyone is equipped to handle. Also, I know people are questioning if Kim is an alcoholic or not but it always appeared to me that she was under the influence of something. She’s twitchy, defensive, slurs her speech and reclusive…all signs of an addict. I’m not saying that those things automatically maker her an alcoholic I’m just saying that those signs are common of alcoholism so it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    LOL @ Flipit. Well, I was being kinda sarcastic but still a little sympathetic that Camille’s bad edit came from being catty to the wrong person. She should’ve seen something in Taylor to hate, if nothing more than bad plastic surgery. Although, a part of me thinks the season ended with Taylor perched precariously on the throne as Beverly Hills’ most hated housewife. Am I wrong in this assumption, Gasmii?

    Her calling Lisa ‘jealous’ on WWHL could not have worked in her favor. I wish Lisa had seen THAT before the reunion was taped..

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    Where's My Coffee?
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    If Kim were truly a professional victim, she’d take this time to post a sad blog, hit a few interviews and capitalize on the viewers’ sympathy and overwelming support. The fact that she’s remained completely silent throughout this while Kyle goes on the defensive, tells you exactly who each woman really is.

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    what?
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Still love Kyle (and Lisa)!!!! I am not sure what Kim’s problem is, but she definitely has something wrong. This entire season I sat frustrated watching her and her inappropriate actions/reactions. I cannot imagine what Kyle endures having to deal with Kim day in and day out. Kim certainly has some issues.

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    ohraphie
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    @dtc — are you my sister by any chance? You have my empathy, and you are not the only one in this situation. Have your parents ‘willed’ your sibling to you yet? Mine have co-erced two of my siblings to care for the third after their eventual deaths. Noone can truly understand how frustrating and depressing life with an addict can be.

    Did Camille get a bitch edit? No. I don’t care if she got along famously with Kyle the minute she talked about her four nannies and many houses yet how exhausted she is and nooone understands how haaaaard she works was the very minute she was hated by one and all. Let’s face it – she didn’t need the bitch edit. Not even Bravo can improve upon her penultimate bitchatude — dare I say cuntness?

    As to the whole Kyle vs Kim thing…….hopefully we will see more at the reunions. I still think their mama fucked them all over but good. Anyone else get the mental picture of MaMa Richards as the stripper mom on HBOs ‘Carnivale’? Had Kim not been a good actress I’m sure she would have been pimped out sooner or later.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    @Where’smycoffee: True..she would have also mentioned her murdered fiancee and every other tragic turn in her life. She doesn’t do that. We never even see her seeking Kyle out for advice on the show. As a matter of fact, she asked Kyle to butt out once or twice! And Kyle refused.

    All people are doing is taking Kyle’s word as if it is golden. We don’t know what her mother said on her deathbed. She probably admitted in a ragged whisper that she loved Kim more before Kyle smothered her with a pillow.

    What was very telling is when Kyle called Kim an alkie and Kim said, “Really, *I’m* the alcoholic?” and Kyle yells “Quiet!” and runs off before Kim could divulge more. I’m sure Kyle is no stranger to a few drunken binges a week. Again, who’s housekeeper fled in the middle of the night??

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    sarcasatire
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    @ohralphie: I read somewhere that there was an part in the House of Hiltons book where it was discussed how Mama Richards made Kathy take ‘sex lessons’ from a man in a van parked in front of their house. This was to ensure she snagged herself a wealthy husband. (It worked!)

    Has anyone read House of Hiltons and can possibly share some dirt on this child-pimpin’ matriarch?

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    isabella
    Posted January 23, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    I think Kyle is lying to herself about the extent to which she helps Kim. Not only has Kim never asked her for anything on the show (but Kyle asked her for help), but Kim said “I’ve been doing it on my own for a looong time” in response Kyle’s threat of leaving her on her own to make her own decisions. I’m sure Kyle is very confused about the reality of the sources of the dynamic between her and Kim. She really has little self-awareness when it comes to her interactions with Kim.

    Kim has been so starry eyed when she was talking about Kyle throughout the season, it’s like Kyle owns her soul. Perez Hilton reported a while ago that Kim was “forced into rehab” by Kyle. I’m sure Kyle convinced her to go, knowing she would look really bad when they aired the fight, as some form of damage control.

    I have disliked Kyle for her mistreatment of her sister since I noticed her underhanded comments way back in the very first episodes. I could tell she was manipulating her sister to keep her down and had been doing it for a long time.

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     ohraphie
     Posted January 23, 2011 at 6:20 pm

     There are lot of questions surrounding Kim. On the one hand she has no visible means of support – she is neither married nor does she have a job. If she is living off child support – well, her youngest is about 18 right? Once she goes to college that money is gone. On the other hand if she does in fact have 20 million as another poster has mentioned – then why the hell is she renting?!
     It does not make any sense whatsoever.
     Also, she claimed she didn’t know how to put on makeup because she worked throughout her teen years. Well, she didn’t pick up anything from professional makeup artists? Besides, how many of us still wear our makeup the same way we did in high school? That story stunk from the moment she said it. It was an excuse to tell her (granted justifiable) sob story that her mother made her support the family and that she missed out on having a normal life.
     And finally, Kyle has said in front of Kim a few times that their mother ‘willed’ Kim to Kyle and Kim never disputed it. Normal people are not willed to siblings.

     Now to be fair —- Kyle doesn’t present a complete picture, either. She is all about her daughters yet she seems to idolize her niece PARIS of all people. If my niece was a racist coke whore I wouldn’t want the herpes ridden skank anywhere near my family, ever. But that’s just me.

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     Stewinberri
     Posted January 23, 2011 at 6:29 pm

     Ah I couldn’t resist. Did I get the I hate Teresa spot?

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     sarcasatire
     Posted January 23, 2011 at 6:43 pm

     Kyle was only 9 yrs old when Paris was born and I think she mentioned somewhere that they were like sisters growing up. Now, she refers to herself at the ‘Cool Aunt.’ I wouldn’t be surprised if Kyle powdered her nose a bit as well.. When it comes to her adoration of Paris, to Kyle, fame is fame. She’s been reaching for it her whole life and it’s eluded her. So why not grab the coattails of your most famous relative and ride it like Aladdin’s rug?

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     Pixielated
     Posted January 23, 2011 at 6:44 pm

     I think Kim is depressed and also has some other issues from her child star days. Her life basically ended when she was around 16-18 (depending on when people stopped hiring her).

     From what some of you are saying, there is quite a bit of evidence that Kyle is the alcoholic of these two.

     Remember that Suzanne Somers book “Keeping Secrets”? That could be the story of this family’s life, I bet.

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     Stewinberri
     Posted January 23, 2011 at 8:57 pm

     My position regarding the whole Kim/Kyle shitfest is based on what I’ve seen of Kyle’s behavior, I don’t trust as gospel
     a damned thing that comes from her mouth.

     Most of what is thought about Kim seems to be based on Kyle’s suggestion. If Kyle didn’t constantly imply Kim’s neediness etc, would the viewers or the other castmates draw the same conclusion?

     From what I’ve seen, Lisa appears to drink quite a bit (like most howives). Camille appears to be medicated, Taylor has an odd personality and Kyle dear Kyle, seems like an aggressive mean drunk.

     Most of these things have been stated by other posters without any suggestion from Kyle. Additionally, Kim has been purposefully targeted. That’s what bothers me most. She is constantly picked at and picked apart by Kyle about the most trivial things and Kyle encourages/allows the other castmates to participate in the tearing apart of her sister. Don’t have experience with immediate family members with substance issues but I have seen the dynamics with extended family members and friends. I have NEVER seen the family of an addict tear apart the addict the way Kyle does nor for the REASONS Kyle attacks. Kyle publicly demeans, degrades and humiliates her SISTER. Again, never ever seen an addicted person treated like that by family.

     I have seen a manipulative liar imply someone is hooked on prescription drugs, has emotional and financial difficulties and is constantly bothering her for money. When the two are in the same company the alleged “problem” does appear agitated and is pressuring them about something. Long story short, their anger/agitation is justified, the liar while staying in their home, left them with a $600 phone bill. They want repayment. Kyle strikes me as the type to mislead in this fashion. I would always pursue both sides and details when dealing with her. I wouldn’ trust her opinion of someone’s character….I’d observe for myself.

     Not saying Kim doesn’t have a problem. If she does have a problem, is she really the burden Kyle claims and/or is it a past problem she has been successfully dealing with until howives?. Don’t recall seeing Kim drink on screen.

     Celebritynetworth.com reported Kim’s networth at 20 million. Could this be inaccurate or off, maybe? Could her assets be tied up in real estate? Dunno. Seemed accurate for the RHONY. Kim’s ex-husbands were supposedly very wealthy. I believe her total child support/alimony is more than 20 thousand. I live in northern Calif, it is not unusual for someone to obtain a multimillion dollar home through divorce or death, leave the home off the market, unoccupied and rent themselves for a number of reasons.

     This is Kim’s personal info, she hasn’t blogged, appeared on WWHL, or interviewed since late last year. Hope she can find a way of clearing up the lies and distortions without divulging more about her personal life than she would care to. Not saying it’s all lies. Would just like to hear her side which I don’t believe is as bad as been portrayed. Hopefully the reunion will shed some light on this.

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     Stewinberri
     Posted January 23, 2011 at 9:05 pm

     Ok everyone, for me the Kim/Kyle victim/villain discussion (on my part) has been exhausted, until the reunion at least. :0

     I was surprised by Cedric’s age too. Ok he reeaaally needs to get the fuck out!

     On Adrienne, do you think the camera crew/editors are trying to imply she has an eating disorder. hmmmm

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     sarcasatire
     Posted January 23, 2011 at 9:52 pm

     Lisa is going to be extremely bored around the house with just her doddering old husband. Ken looks like he just stumbles around the place with his fluffy dogs on leashes, back and forth, through the halls and gardens. Tsh, Tsh, Tsh..that’s the sound of his mandals dragging across the carpet. Lisa having to remind him every morning before the camera crew arrives to put in his teeth. Then picking out his clothes along with Jiggy’s. (It’s just easier for her to keep them all in the same drawer, no?)
     I’m sure Cedric kept things a bit lively for Lisa. Now she’s going to be super bored.

     One thing that has bothered me all season…Lisa and her husband have been in the US for less than 2 years, I believe. But she said when her son got in trouble with drugs, she sent him to his godmother in some midwestern state that i doubt Lisa would ever set foot in, let alone have friends that live there. (Utah?) I was a little suspicious and wondered if this was a coverup for the real place he was sent. Do you think, by chance, Lisa’s son was in rehab?

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     Stewinberri
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 12:56 am

     Wouldn’t be surprised if Lisa’s son were in rehab. Leach can stay on over a year but her kid gets shipped off to family friends? That story has always seemed odd to me. This and a few other things lead me to believe Lisa is getting the Jill Zarin “edit”. Much as I like her, the lady the past few episodes came off a little uh mean girl.

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     Pixielated
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 1:31 am

     I imagine that Cedric is a lot more entertaining than Lisa’s son.

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     Snootchy Bootches
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 4:40 am

     I wholeheartedly agree with the fact that Kyle has been the SOLE source of all information about Kim’s addiction, neediness, etc. And before someone points out that Lisa also said it, I want to chime in and say that Lisa is Kyle’s best friend. She will agree to whatever her friend says as a matter of loyalty. Plus, I’m sure that Kyle is the source of all of her information as well. It’s like when you have a boyfriend that your friends don’t know. When there is a fight, you will complain about him to your friends naturally only giving one side of the story. So when they meet him, of course they automatically think he is a dick even if he isn’t!

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     Sunshine
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 5:14 am

     My situation may be slightly different because my brother had a mental illness, but my sisters & I knew we were “willed” him when my parents passed away. It just had to be that way – he couldn’t take care of himself. Now I know Kim could get help and the family shouldn’t enable her, but I don’t find it odd that parents would say “hey, keep an eye on her and help her out.” Kyle made it this dramatic statement.

     I read somewhere that when mama Richards was dying, Kim moved to another state to be with her. Kyle didn’t. I’ve been trying to find the source but haven’t yet. Now maybe Kyle had little ones at the time but then don’t make it seem like Kim is worthless and you do everything for the family.

     Also, I wouldnt have been so bothered if my sister’s family couldn’t make it to my daughter’s graduation. She was like UPSET for days. She seems like the needy one. She also didn’t help Kim move into her new house, scoffed at Kim for saying she wanted another baby and then said she wanted another baby to Mauricio a couple of episodes later! She’s not as great as she first appeared to be. Still has great hair. Oh yeah, I’m in my 30′s and I don’t do my makeup like those girls either. My mother used to own a Merle Norman when I was younger too. I’m just a mascara kind of girl. So I believe Kim that she didn’t care what she looked like until filming with all these broads.

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     ohraphie
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 5:19 am

     I got the impression that Lisas son was shipped off to an outwardbound type school. If so, I can’t blame her for not wanting to advertise that for her sons future sake.

     As far as whether or not Adrienne has an eating disorder — I would be surprised if all of the women from most HW franchises do *not* have eating disorders. Most women in their 40s/50s are not naturally that thin. There are exceptions of course, but for every castmate in this series? No way. Taylor in particular looks anorexic and no doubt that is why her mandibles are so prominent.
     The women in BH have such pressure to look ‘good’, I really don’t know how they stand it.

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     sojo
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 7:34 am

     Wow! I just saw a preview for the reunion show and it does look like some of our questions will be answered! The reason the altercation between Kyle and Camille wasn’t filmed is because they were talking about filming the show. And when Camille told Kyle she was going to Hawaii, Kyle was surprised that they would go out to Hawaii to film without Kelsey being there. BINGO! PS clip is on perezhilton

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     classy drunk
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 7:49 am

     HMMMM…if Kim has a drinking problem that might explain the night the ladies left Camille and the Medium to have a drink and sent Kim home alone. But instead of saying she had a drinking problem Kyle explained it away by saying she lived in the other direction.

     Kyle should handle herself better when she is confronting someone. When you can express your displeasure with something coherently and with out degrading the person it goes alot further than yelling and screaming obscenities. That is easier said than done for some people, but Kim should also let her sister know that she can’t speak to her like that and if she does then the conversation is over.

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     Where's My Coffee?
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 10:50 am

     Who was the needy one the day of Portia’s bday party? I don’t know about you guys, but I’m a ball of stress on moving day. Kim handled it like a champ. She didn’t ask for any help.Nor was she passed out drunk in the back of the moving van. I would think an alcoholic would find moving day stress a good enough reason to hit the bottle. Kim was more interested in cooking something for her kids. That doesn’t spell alcoholic needy mess to me.

     I’ve thrown many a bday party and never needed my sister to come over to help. I never had the kind of budget Kyle had, either. Kyle put Kim down for being late right in front of Lisa & the camera. I didn’t even like Kim at the time, but wanted to yell at the tv, “She was moving you stupid vapid twit!”

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     sarcasatire
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 12:12 pm

     @sunshine: Kim moved to Arizona to take care of their dying mom. The video interview is below.

     ..and a Big Kathy sighting! (It’s about Kim’s old show and doesn’t get into her life until after the 4:00 mark)

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     Where's My Coffee?
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 12:50 pm

     @ Sarcastire I love that you’re sticking up for Kim. I like some of those comments under that video. =D

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     georgecat
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 1:05 pm

     I am adding my voice to the choir of sympathy for Kim. I like tha she looks all of her 46 years, does not present her life as perfect, does not have a face lift and displays her social awkwardness so clearly. The other ladies always say the right things and spin their missteps in a way that makes them seem justified or completely understandable, but I think the viewers see through the facades.

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     sheesh
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 1:16 pm

     I used “You stole my fucking house” Saturday in a debate with TB!!!

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     Tmurda
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 1:32 pm

     “Kim does sally field’s monologue from “not without my daughter” before her audition for Geico”.. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Fucking hilarious! Gotta keep reading…

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     Flipit
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 1:36 pm

     HAHA sheesh! the other day i had drinks with a friend and he said “this is delicious.” i said “thaaaank yooooou!”

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     sunshine
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 1:44 pm

     @ sarcasatire – Thanks!! Great clip. You are so good at getting the scoop! Kathy Hilton looks a lot like her mom.

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     gamerisnotplayer
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 2:08 pm

     wow..just saw this episode (finally found time). I cannot believe how Taylor acted out her own disappointment over the party/life, and went into Kim’s face like that. Kim was right about asking her to stay away from her.TBH, if Kim has an alcohole problem..i deteste their behaviour even more. Kudos to Zen Adrienne, for not jumping aboard the high school train. This last episode made all the previous seem so fake.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 4:27 pm

     @Where’smycoffee: I always had a soft spot for Kim, since the beginning. She seemed to me like the quintessential shrinking violet, thrust into social situations to test her confidence. She was always polite, never called attention to herself, never was rude…but could you imagine what it must be like for a typical surburban mom to all of a sudden be rubbing elbows and having lunch with the likes of Lisa with her direct stare, $30 million dollar mansion, and upper crust affectations? I’d probably be a little self-conscious, too.

     Kim is so good with her kids and kids in general. After the Single Gary scene where she pretended to breastfeed and looked like an all around fool, there was a bonus clip on Bravotv.com of her walking him out and his grandaughter sees a spider on the house exterior and Kim spoke to the child for almost 10 minutes, telling her a story of the spider in the most gentle self-assured voice. It was so touching..too bad it never made it on the show. But you can tell she is great around kids, which is why her house is overrun with them.

     Sure, she’s no fashionista (that choker/bracelet combo?), cannot apply makeup, and is only really comfortable around family, but she has a great heart, raised great children, and is always there to support her sister, thru graduations, birthday parties, and the like.

     I just hope Kyle realizes that Kim may not be up for accompanying her on the red carpet. Kim is more likely at home, waiting for Kyle in front of a warm fire, holding her favorite blanket.

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     ohralphie
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 4:41 pm

     @sarcas — Kim was no run of the mill suburban mom. In the last episode she told of the great wealth she had with her former husband – gated home and butler.

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     Snootchy Bootches
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 4:49 pm

     Yes, gated home and butler, but she also said she was in the backyard in flipflops and sweats barbequing.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 5:03 pm

     And that marriage was over so long ago. Her youngest daughter (who I believe is not from that marriage) is 14 years old. So, we’re talking over a decade and a half. She was never a socialite in the 24+ yrs she’s been raising kids and all the Housewives shows are about is socializing and gossiping. So, I can see her reticence about entering into something so unfamiliar, especially at this stage in life. I also accept that she may stumble a bit as she finds her footing…anyone of us would. There is a part of me that also believes she sees through the facades of these air-kissy friendships and would rather just be alone than fake it with a bunch of women with whom she has nothing in common.

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     Robinez
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 8:40 pm

     Ha ha “stumble a bit as she finds her footing”..I couldn’t help but remember the Dinner from hell when, after Kim said Thank You to Camille ( I agree with Sarcas, she is certainly polite) and then backed into the potted plant. That was some damn funny shit.

     Anyway, I think that Kim may be a bit agoraphobic. She admitted that she was more comfortable at home, and I keep remembering her chicken episode. She seemed so happy that she went out there and opened up. I have changed my mind about the reason(s) that she doesn’t want to go to lunch with the ladies. I think when she was an Icon, she was in a cocoon of folks that took care of her while she was filming. She is all alone now in front of the camera’s. Another thing that I noticed, she has only been filmed one time out of the comfort zone of her family and that was when she went with Ad to get a dress for the Martin date. We know how that turned out. Remember, she was on witch mountain and was probably worried that if someone else died while filming with her it wouldn’t look good.

     All kidding aside, I like Kim and I think that her and Kyle are probably even when it comes to the crap they put each other through.

     Robin

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     MaryFrances
     Posted January 24, 2011 at 8:53 pm

     I predict the seating for the reunion. Lisa will be the anchor on one side and Adienne on the other. Kim and Camille will be on one side and Taylor and Kyle on the other.
     Taylor really acted like she was in high school. She figured out the ‘it’ girl was Kyle and then did everything she could to ingratiate herself to Kyle.

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     furiousflipper2
     Posted January 25, 2011 at 9:29 pm

     Just watched this and haven’t started on the delicious recap yet or read the comments, but man, and I am sure that this may have been said many times in the 128 comments, what a second date for Martin! Jeesh…even my closest friends would not witness that kind of drama between my sister and myself. Wow, Martin? A third date anytime soonish?

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     furiousflipper2
     Posted January 25, 2011 at 9:57 pm

     Just trying to get through all these comments – and they are wonderful – but had to stop to say what a tempest in a teapot. Okay, Taylor and Kim have a very reasonable conversation while waiting for a plane. Taylor says something to the effect of, “Well, she probably thinks that people think that she’s insignificant in relation to Kesley,” and this was about Camille’s reaction to a what she thought she heard Kyle say, and then Kim agrees and says, “Yes, she worries that people think that she’s insecure.” And then Taylor related that to Camille…and then the shit hit the fan, but neither of them, Kim or Taylor, were actually saying that they thought that Camille was insecure. And then the fight happens, and Kim tries to stay out of it, as would I, as it really is quite silly, but it looks as if she is not supporting her sister. Then the weeks go on, and Lisa, the English detective, wants to know what Taylor said to Camille to make her go off. So Lisa talks to Taylor and suggests that she take it up with Kim. BUT NOT AT YOUR FRIGGING BIRTHDAY PARTY BITCH. Anyway, much ado about nothing. But man, if this ain’t staged, it is a pretty serious sister smack down and as a sister to two beautiful women – I would NEVER allow that to happen in public. So thing is, I think the problem is something in that family…child stars, married to rich dudes, nieces with reality shows and sex tapes – a serious new kind of therapy is needed for them. Hey, the majority of us have not lived like that, so maybe your basic decency to family rules do not apply.

     And seriously, Cedric – you are 37! For the love of the sweet lamb…move out, get a job at the local bistro…visit them on Sundays. 37! Even if my Mom had abandoned me at a phone booth in Paris, I would have been renting a basement bachelor by 37…and with those looks. Wow. Get out.

     I love you Jiggy. And Lisa’s husband? AWESOME.

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     furiousflipper2
     Posted January 25, 2011 at 10:05 pm

     And my last comment – I wish there was a “Like” feature throughout the recap – totally spoiled by the Facebook – because man, I would have been hitting it a hundred times…what a recap. Lovely, lovely writing.
     TV Gasm has writers with some serious brain power.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted January 25, 2011 at 11:32 pm

     At furiousflipper, I’ve also wished for a ‘Gasm Like button. Both for the recap, (ala Gawker, where you can ‘like’ it and the link appears on your fb page for your friends to view) and on the comments, as well. Sometimes things are so well said by fellow Gasmii that you just want to add a big ‘thumbs up!’

     The Kim/Kyle fight brought to mind a favorite Kanye verse of mine, regarding families feuding in public.. Maybe Lisa will recite it on Thursday:

     Y’all gone sit down
     and have a good time this reunion
     and drink some wine
     like communion
     and act like everything’s alright
     and if it isn’t
     we aint letting everybody in our family business

     -Kanye

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     Stewinberri
     Posted January 26, 2011 at 1:10 am

     More likely Adrienne gave the pre-reunion talk regarding family business… keep it in the family. Not that it appears it have done any good, judging by the reunion clips. Lisa sees a pot simmering and encourages Taylor to stir.

     What bugs me about this “WHAT TAYLOR SAID TO CAMILLE”…WHY THE FUCK NOT ASK CAMILLE? If they were really interested in clearing this caca up, they would ask Camille. Pretty obvious you’re not going to get a straight answer from Taylor.

     Never really understood Lisa sending Taylor over to talk to Kim to clear it up. Smacks of you phlebians clear this up so the nobles can save face and go on tastefully stabbing each other in the back. These screeching catfights between us, the noblesse oblige, must not take place. Us meaning Camille, Kyle(Ha),Lisa and Adrienne. One of you (Taylor or Kim) take the blame for starting this shitfest and all will be well. mmmk? You two work out which one.

     Love Adrienne. She embodies shrewdness diplomacy, class and integrity. She wouldn’t want her family members publicly acting like asses and she wouldn’t encourage someone else to behave in that manner or revel in the conflict.

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     kdognatl
     Posted January 26, 2011 at 5:18 am

     Am I remembering incorrectly but I thought in either the NY episode or the one following, in her private interview Camille said that TAYLOR did tell her about the airport convo. Camille actually mentioned that Taylor said that Lisa called her insecure. If I am wrong call me out, but I remember wondering why noone brought that up.

     I too wish there was a like button especially on the comments because the commenters here say some great stuff that I could not articulate as well

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     Where's My Coffee?
     Posted January 26, 2011 at 9:14 am

     @kdognati, that’s exactly the issue, but none of them know how to address it for some reason. The girls were talking about Camille. Although it wasn’t necessarily bad, they were kind of siding with Kyle and suggesting Camille is insecure or whatever, and that’s how the Kyle/Camille conflict blew up.

     The absolute worst thing anyone could have ever done was to tell Camille the girls were talking about her. Anyone would have been annoyed knowing their friends were talking behind their backs, but since they all know Camille is insecure, it was positively rotten for Taylor to tell Camille.

     I’m telling ya, Taylor only kicks a dog when it’s down. She’s got no power in her own life, so she flexes her muscles over the weaker women. She doesn’t even have the gutts to stand up to Lisa and say, “Yeah I said it. So?” Instead, she has to drag Kim around through the mud again. I cannot believe Lisa let her get away with it.

     What was said was insignificant. The fact that the girls were rratted ffor talking behind a friend’s back is significant. Taylor broke a major chick rule by telling Camille that. Kyle really needs to be pissed about that because Taylor nullified Kyle’s efforts to put that thing to bed. Instead, Kyle just keeps taking it out on Kim.

     Taylor snowballed all of them.

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     2muchbravo
     Posted January 26, 2011 at 10:50 am

     Maybe Andy will ask, “Let’s just put this to bed. Blowfish, what did you tell Camille went on at the airport?”

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     marijai
     Posted January 26, 2011 at 11:01 am

     I finally got to watch this episode last night. Trying to understand the family dynamic between Kyle and Kim is like herding cats.

     While I do not agree with airing family business in public, I think the blame for all of this is on their mother. She obivously left Kyle “in charge” of Kim for whatever reasons and I’m sure Kim has built up a lot of resentment over the years as well as Kyle. What Kyle did wasn’t right by any means, and Ad was right, they both need therapy. I hope for both of their sakes, they are able to repair their relationship and move on from this.

     I said in the beginning that Taylor got exactly what she wanted…a rich husband and a house in Beverly Hills, and now she’s miserable that her husband doesn’t show her a lot of attention and affection. I think Russell knows exactly why Taylor married him and doesn’t pretend. I like Russell a lot better than Taylor. And really, it’s Taylor who is insecure and will never be fulfilled emotionally by her husband. She has no one to blame but herself.

     I still love Ad and Lisa. Camille is still evil and a shit-ass. And no amount of whining on her part could make me feel sorry for her.