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Friday, May 13, 2005
2:24 am
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What a fantastic episode of Survivor. This season has hovered in the “excellent” realm, and after last night’s dense installment of scheming, drama, tears, betrayal, and lying, I am going on the record to say that Survivor: Palau officially rocks. Any reality show that can keep us on the edge of our seat from the very first minutes of the hour deserves special accolade. This has been a bizarre season, but it’s worked out well, even if some of my favorite players have been sidelined. Three cheers for Mark Burnett! (and you too Jeff. Just for being a swell guy).Tonight’s hour began with the mandatory stock footage of animals, but this time, it was rats gorging on a coconut and hopping around. Apparently CBS is in negotiations with the crab population — they want more money for their perfunctory scampering. Anyway, Jenn was shocked by Gregg’s ouster, but when her team asked how she was faring, she simply brushed the incident off and chirped, “I was shocked for like two seconds.” Two very long, bitter seconds. Ian, meanwhile, became very concerned that the three girls would join together in an alliance and turn on him and Tom. Yes, the all-female alliance: a mythical beast that threatens to raise its head every season, but always disappears with the light of day. Amy Cusack came closest to realizing this dream, but like a UFO or Bigfoot, we’ll have to see it to believe it.
But maybe I’m talking too soon. After all, if this season of Survivor has proven anything, it’s that anything can happen (CBS, you can pay me later). Further cementing that notion was the incredibly intense scheming going down at camp. Katie, Jenn, and Ian held a little powwow and all agreed that they wanted Caryn out. But then Jenn quietly began asserting that maybe Tom should go. After all, he’s your biggest competition, she said to Ian. Look at sneaky Jenn quietly slip in her own agenda! She wants revenge, and she wants it to be cute.
Meanwhile, Caryn and Tom talked strategy, ultimately agreeing that they’d take each other to the final two. I guess we knew something was up when the camera cut away to a random scorpion happily making its way across the beach. You know, that’s pretty cool and all, but I’d really like to see some crabs.
Anyway, after her discussion with Tom, Caryn told us, “I’m guardedly optimistic about my chance to make it to the final three.” Optimistic? Well, that’s a near death sentence on Survivor. She should know better by now.
Later, Tom and Ian fetched the Tree Mail which had yet another coy clue about the reward challenge, and before heading back to the tribe, the two guys held back to discuss strategy. We knew they were up to no good because we suddenly cut away to a crocodile yawning. Seriously, this is very unsavory wildlife: rats, scorpions, crocodiles? What’s next? A fire-breathing dragon? Anyway, Tom and Ian agreed that if either of them won the reward, and they had the option of choosing someone to share it with, they would not pick each other. Wouldn’t want to make the same mistake as Gregg. Okay, simple enough. That’s a smart move. Or was it? While the guys deliberated on who they’d bring along on the reward (that they hadn’t even won yet), we then saw footage of even more wildlife, this time two red bugs slurping a snail out of its shell. Yes, yes, the nature imagery has metaphorical undertones, WE GET IT! (Although, the snail ambush was a nice change from the standard butterfly-caught-in-the-spider-web saga).
Well, it was time for the reward challenge, and guess what? It was the car episode! Yes, as the penultimate installment of the season, it was time to give away a vehicle, and this time around, the lucky winner would nab a bright red Corvette. That’s a sizable improvement over the standard Aztec or sedan. Later, we learned that whoever won the car would then drive it to a mansion where he or she would spend the night (with a guest, of course). As for the actual challenge, it was a typically convoluted mishmash of rafting, collecting, and guesswork. Rather than describe this mess, I’ll let CBS:
“Survivors would race into the lagoon on bamboo rafts and collect a series of mileage markers. Once all the markers were collected, they must be placed under the sign marker designating the distance from Palau to various big cities. The first player to place all the markers correctly would win.” Wow, CBS really makes it sound so simple.
Anyway, Ian and Tom took an immediate lead while Caryn and Katie languished far behind. Then after about five minutes of watching these fools float around on their bamboo rafts, the fun times came to an end as Ian won the reward (Uh oh. Curse of the car, but never mind that for now). Well, it came time for Ian to choose a friend to join him at the mansion, and after some hemming and hawing he chose… Katie? No. Caryn? No. Jenn? No. Tom? YES. Huh?? What the hell? What about that whole conversation before? Did he not see what just happened to Gregg? Whatever. Ian was now officially an idiot.
Well, as expected, Katie, the resident tart, became very bitter about the situation as she smarted from Ian’s betrayal. Apparently they had made a deal to take each other along if either of them won the reward challenge. Now Katie was mad and happy to jump ship. At camp, all the women compared notes. Katie revealed that she had a deal with Tom and Ian to go to the final three. Well, guess what, so did Caryn, although she was a bit reluctant to admit it. “I don’t really have a deal with Tom,” Caryn said. “He told me he’d take me to the final two.” Uh, I think that’s a deal. Caryn later noted “I really haven’t made any deals. I mean, I’ve verbally assented to mutually beneficial agreements, but I wouldn’t really call that a deal. Hey, have you guys ever tried steak? I’ve never had it before. I mean, I’ve chewed and swallowed it, but never really eaten it.”
Meanwhile, Jenn registered complete shock that Katie had a deal with Ian and Tom. Why was she shocked? Wasn’t Jenn originally part of the “strong five”? Either way, since shock apparently lasts only two seconds for Jenn, she quietly receded to the background, wisely realizing that the Caryn and Katie situation could only be beneficial for her. And sure enough, by the end of the afternoon, all the women allied together and agreed to vote off Tom or Ian, depending on the immunity situation.
As usual though, the all-women alliance showed signs of weakness from the very getgo as Caryn nearly tackled the two guys upon their return the next morning. She very directly cornered Ian, asking “Is it going to be you, Tom, and me or you, Tom and Katie?” Bold move, sister. Well, Ian responded with the firm reply that surely would put her at ease. “Uh… it’s going to be you, me, and Katie- I mean, you, me, and Tom.” Sensing a lack of commitment, Caryn continued to press Ian for answers, but he merely stuttered, waivered, and (smacking forehead), said he didn’t know who he’d vote off until the next night. As Caryn walked off angrily, Tom shook his head and said “You just screwed up.” He then added, “I still love you though. Let’s go spoon.”
Back at camp, Ian knew he had to firm up Katie’s vote now that Caryn was disgruntled. The only problem: Katie wasn’t talking to Ian. She was still pissed off about the reward challenge. Another good sign for the all-women’s alliance! A common hatred of Tom and Ian!
After a morning of hatred from Katie, Ian finally got five minutes of alone time with the woman and explained his actions. “I swear on this that there’s no vote that will ever go against you. Ever,” he explained. What exactly was he swearing on? A shark tooth necklace? Lots of significance that has. Oh wait, it’s a cross. Damn, I hate lost opportunities for snarkiness.
Ian is officially two-dimensional.
Well, Katie put on quite the show as she let loose a torrent of tears and melodramatic platitudes: “I lost my best friend!”, “I was embarrassed!”, “I’m carrying your baby!”. Okay, maybe she didn’t say that last one. Either way, I couldn’t be sure, but I was fairly certain that Katie was pulling yet another brilliant ploy. At the beginning of this episode, I thought Caryn was the swing vote. Now it looks to be Katie. Can one episode handle two swing votes? And what does that say about the women’s alliance? Not so sturdy, eh?
Finally, Ian countered with his own cheesy line, saying, “I’m gonna try to be your friend for the rest of my life. If you don’t want it, that’s fine.” (I was particularly entertained by Ian’s random southern inflection on the word “Fine”, which he pronounced “faaaahn.”). Well, the two crybabies eventually cooled down and shared a forgiving hug. I instantly felt sorry for Katie as her nose came perilously close to Ian’s armpits. I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy (although, I would wish it on Veronica and Tina from Road Rules).
Katie gets trapped in the lethal gas chamber that is Ian’s armpits.
Meanwhile, Tom worked to secure Caryn’s trust again. The two debated whether or not Katie’s anger at Ian was just an act. Caryn shrugged her shoulders and said that Katie was a good actress. She then proceeded to cough up half a lung on camera in one of her more unattractive moments. Caryn + phlegm = unpleasant.
The next morning, Tom bullied Katie to rejoin his ranks, causing her to immediately complain to the camera that he was being a jerk. You know, if this were Survivor: Amazon, Rob Cesterino would have simply said, “Hey, maybe we should vote off Katie?” Sadly, his scheming prowess was absent from this group, but that’s not to say the plot wasn’t thickening. Ian said his heart told him to vote off Caryn, but his head told him to target Tom. “It’s Survivor, not Parcheesi,” he reminded us. It’s not Parcheesi? Damn. I really have to get my board game knowledge in order.
Anyway, with the plotting getting out of hand, the only one not entangled in the mess is… Jenn. That’s odd. Coming into this episode, she was the only without an alliance, and yet, by staying out of the fray, she’s completely become an afterthought for these people. Something tells me that she might just be the smartest one on this island.
Soon it was time for the immunity challenge which had castaways crossing an obstacle course to look at a pattern. After taking however long they wanted to observe the order of the tiles, contestants then had to return through the obstacle course and reassemble the pattern. The first one to accurately match the pattern would win. Well, with all the scheming going on this hour, this immunity challenge proved to be incredibly exciting. Caryn and Katie immediately fell off the obstacle course, with the latter girl getting her foot stuck in a rope ladder. Needless to say, after Katie’s vine-swinging disaster earlier this season, she and obstacle courses do NOT mix well. As usual, Tom was in the lead, but Jenn seemed first to put her pattern together. Surprisingly, she didn’t tell Jeff that she had it. Instead she went back time and time again to check her work. Ian, meanwhile, called Probst over for approval several times, but despite the music getting all climactic and exciting, his pattern continued to be incorrect.
Tom meanwhile spent a good amount of time falling on his face, but that didn’t stop him from eventually winning immunity. Yes, once again, the unstoppable fireman won the necklace, hopefully causing the women to regret voting Stephenie off two weeks ago. Well, it became quite obvious how the rest of this episode would play out. Despite Katie’s previous anger, there was no way she was going to actually vote Ian off after their little spat/love-fest. It was so obvious that CBS barely even showed any post-challenge scheming. We simply went right to Tribal Council after only a mere minute or so at camp. And for good reason. After an entire episode of crazy scheming, Tribal Council proved to be quite the explosive affair as Caryn let loose her anger for the first time in weeks. She seemed to sense that Katie had reconnected with Tom and Ian, and so Caryn boldly tried to sever their bond by saying how Ian devised the plan to get rid of Gregg, then Jenn, and then Katie. Ian rolled his eyes as if she were a crazy conspiracy theorist (Ian, we have Tivo. She’s not lying), but while Caryn was effective in exposing the men’s hypocrisy, she failed to sell why Katie would be better off with the women.
Warning: gossipy and confusing sentence ahead. Tom claimed that Caryn said that Gregg and Katie wanted to vote Tom off. I don’t seem to remember this happening, but either way, Caryn was livid at the accusation, charging, “You are such a liar!” Meanwhile, the jury simply sat back and laughed. Man, they had front row seats to the best show on Earth that day.
“I missed the two day sale at Macy’s?!?!?!”
As for Katie, the girl somehow caught in the middle, she seemed pissed off that Ian had let her in on the Gregg scheme at the last second, noting how it made her feel like an outsider. Yes, but would she sacrifice her friendship with Ian over that? Apparently not. In a vote of four to one, Caryn was ousted over Ian. And yes, Jenn voted for her too. So much for that female alliance. Well, Caryn left the game angrily, and in her goodbye speech, she passive aggressively accused everyone of shooting the messenger. She was just saying it like it is, and if they couldn’t deal with it, well, that’s too bad because they’d have to face the music eventually. Yeah yeah yeah. Just go and write your bitter finale-night speech already.
In retrospect, when Caryn confronted Ian about his alliance with Katie, she may have overplayed her hand. What seemed like a good move turned out to be her undoing. After all, from that moment on, the boys couldn’t trust that she’d be with them, and therefore their attention moved to Katie, who then had the luxury of keeping them begging until Tribal Council. Basically, Katie was ensured all the power, allowing her to choose between the two alliances, and because Caryn had nothing to offer, she was easy to dispose of.
And now we enter finale territory — my favorite part of the season: the fallen survivor montage, the endurance challenge, and the venomous showdown with the jury. Who do you think will win? Might Jenn quietly ascend to the throne? Will Katie ever realize that Tom and Ian are only taking themselves to the final two? Will Jeff Probst be cranky at the reunion? Just three more nights…
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Did anyone else wonder why they didn’t show much of the reward with Tom and Ian? I’m wondering if CBS couldn’t show what happened in that mansion because it was too steamy for TV? Maybe Tom and Ian finally consumated their relationship.
Rick D.
Stellar recap. I’m so glad that you captured that very special Hairball Moment, brought to you by Caryn. Damn…what the hell was that?!?!
It was also heartwarming to relive my 10th grade year, courtesy of Ian and Katie. There must have been an Immaturity Stand out there on the beach, and those kids bought heapin’ helpin’s. Ian looked like a real tool last night and no, I don’t mean a screwdriver.
Last night was a nail biter. I was on pins and needles. I was so glad that the girl alliance went nowhere. That would have made for a boring finale.I am waiting to see if Ian has a choice between Tom and Katie. Who he will pick to be final 2? Same if it is Tom with the choice. Ian or Katie? Will jen somehow have the choice? Oh me, oh my.
I agree, the drama has picked up since the Ulong tragedy has finally ended. And to think I was gonna dump this show! I was totally blindsided by the voting last night. I’m still trying to figure out how it happened.
What is it with women who can’t get their shit together on this show. Each season they have a chance to run the table and vote out all the guys and they fuck it up. Then they have to suffer through the final immunity challenge and hope the men takes them with him. Don’t these women want to win? Why put all that pressure on yourself? I don’t get it. I litterally shitted my pants when they all voted unanimously for Caryn. Now these girls are going to have to fight Tom…Tom…Superman TOM in another immunity challenge. WTF!!!! What are they thinking? Yeah, you can tell I’m pissed.
And kudos to Caryn for FINALLY growing some balls and trying to derail the freight train that is Tom & Iann. I despised Caryn in earlier episodes because she had no backbone but damn she stepped up to the plate last night. Go Jenn.
What the hell has Katie been eating? The entire rat population? This girl has been expanding exponentially.
Personally aside from when Stephanie was still in the game I think this is the most boring Survivor ever
Aside from wondering which cameraman Katie is sleeping with on the side for food, (remind me, was she really, really fat when this game started??) it’s pretty much a junior high school drama snorefest
This is not based on a spoiler, it is my own opinion:
I don’t foresee Jenn making final 2. She doesn’t have any deal going on with any of the other 3, and I doubt she could beat Tom and Ian in two immunity challenges running. No one wants to go final 2 with her, because she would have Gregg’s vote and probably the “bitter” votes of Coby, Janu, and Caryn who are not intellectually honest enough to vote for a powerful player out of respect but will vote for a weaker player just to spite the powerful players.
If Katie makes final 2 with either Tom or Ian, she has a chance. Like I said, Coby, Janu, and Caryn will probably be bitter, unjustifiably self-righteous, and ridiculous at final tribal council. They don’t like Katie, but their anger at being weaker than Tom and Ian could make them see Katie as the lesser of two evils. I hope that Steph, Gregg, Tom/Ian (if one is on the jury), and maybe even Jenn will vote based on respect for game play instead of bitterness, but we’ll see.
If Tom and Ian make final 2 together, Ian probably has the edge, and Tom has to know that. Coby seemed to find Tom more objectionable than Ian, Katie will vote for Ian (unless he votes against her and can’t cry his way back into her good graces again), and Janu and Caryn may follow Coby’s lead on placing more blame on Tom. Only Steph and Gregg look like the type of people to vote for honest and unhypocritical reasons (I really, really hope I’m right about that!), so they could go for Tom or Ian depending on whose strategy they prefer.
Ultimately, though it pains me, Katie has a really good chance at taking this whole thing. Prove me wrong, jury, please prove me wrong. If only Steph hadn’t sucked at challenges! (sigh)
Why the hell did Jenn vote for Caryn? Or Katie, for that matter? How stupid are these people?
Oh yeah, I forgot to say that I thought the title of last night’s episode should have been the quote from Ian: “This is Survivor, not Parchesi.”
This has been THE best episode this season. I literally gagged when I had to witness Katie getting sucked into Ian’s essence. NASTY!!
Uncle Mickey – I agree with you. This final vote completely floored me! When did Jenn decide to vote off Caryn?! I can see Katie floundering with her vote. But Jenn’s vote had me thinking that there is much more going on with her scheming than we know about.
I want to see Ian win the final immunity and have to choose between Tom and Katie. Who does he really stand a better chance against? Of course, her would probably pick Tom and tell Katie that he was forced to pick somebody because it’s just part of the game.
Who would you guys vote for if the final two were Tom and Ian?
I think Ian is in love with Katie. He was practically crying when she was mad at him.
The car curse was broken by Amber last season when she won the 2 cars and the million dollars. What doesnt Amber win as reward?
Forgot to add: I think Katie must have a huge stash of food hidden away. That girl is really fat, and I think she has actually gained weight since they got there! Maybe she steals some of the fish Tom and Ian bring home, so they end up having to share the little that she leaves, then she sneaks out and cooks the stolen ones when everyone is sleeping. Thats the only thing I can think of. No way should she be so fat when everyone else has gotten so skinny.
First off, I absolutely despise Tom. I can’t stand his whole persona, that may be just me. Even when Jeff asked him if he wanted to give up the immunity or not, his laugh made me squirm. I think Tom is hypocritcal(Vote Steph off because shes a threat, don’t vote me off just because I was strong) and slimy. I could see him having two Polenesian child prostitutes at home. He’s so power hungry and control happy. I feel like Ian does whatever he says, no matter what. It’s like a freaky father-child molestation relationship.
Overall, anyone, but Tom, reinerated, but Tom, can win and I’ll be happy. Katie’s played a good game so far. Ian my hometown boy, all we need is another winner from western pa. And I’m not sure if smart Jenn. lucky Jenn, or stupid Jenn, showed up this week, but its’ all better than Tom. Okay, Now that I have ranted I can go back to my normal life.
My roommate is friends with Ian from when they were in Penn State’s student government together. This was our discussion after the Ian-Katie meltdown:
Me: Please tell me he’s not like that in real life.
Roommate: Um, yeah he kind of is.
Apparently he’s one of those nice guys you find in life who aren’t happy unless the women in their life are happy. I always enjoy my roommate’s stories about goofy Ian.
last night’s ep. was suspenseful, but i think the voting outcome was less iffy than the editing indicated. caryn never had a chance. she got lucky when gregg screwed up last week by winning the reward challenge and leaving behind both of his strongest rivals. katie’s fit was a masterfully manipulative stroke to cement ian’s loyalty. katie may be a beached whale, but she is a sneaky one; the only person left in the game who seems to understand how to play both ends against the middle without ending up being a target herself. maybe her brain’s working better than the others’ since she seems to be so exceptionally well-fed (how can you go through 30+ days of exertion, fatigue, and near starvation and still have a dunlop?).
i don’t know, ashes–at first the idea of katie winning seemed impossible, but i’m starting to think it could happen. she is a classic bitch–an absolutely remorseless liar and emotional manipulator who seems uncannily able to paint herself as having been victimized, regardless of the situation. she is so persuasive because she seems to believe what she’s saying. unlike, say, chris from last season, she doesn’t turn to the camera and say, ‘this is all a ploy to get me further in the game;’ rather, she passive-aggressively whines for the camera, characterizing tom’s rather desperate and admittedly heavy-handed strategizing as ‘abuse’ and flagrantly guilt-tripping ian, to whom of late she has both openly and privately been less than the best of friends. stunningly, ian took the bait, and signed his soul away to katie (there’s a slim possibility that strategy plays some small role in ian’s allegiance to katie, but nobody’s that good an actor–he is in her pocket, for good).
katie’s odds don’t look good from here, but she might be more well-liked than the editing indicates. in a post-ejection interview, when asked why they hadn’t targeted katie, who was weak in challenges and seemed to be loafing most of the time, gregg answered that, during the countless hours of sitting around being bored and hungry, katie contributed a lot in terms of keeping things light with her sense of humor, etc.
still, i just can’t see her beating any of the other three. who knows? maybe jenn will sneak in through the back door. she’s obviously a fairly crafty player as well, since she managed to completely avoid being considered for ejection the week after her main alliance partner got blindsided. go jenn!
while i think that ian’s move to take tom with him made NO SENSE WHATSOEVER, i don’t really understand how katie has the nerve to be mad at ian’s “betrayal”. katie completely screwed ian in last week’s immunity challenge (thus prompting tom to call her “shady lady katie”, heh). were ian not a sputtering idiot, he would have probably pointed that out. there have been times since steph left that i kinda wanted to support ian, but between this week and his “interesting” comment last week i don’t think he deserves to win. i almost kind of want katie to win because at least she has the scheming thing down.
also, check out reality blurred for a spoiler (it’s kind of weak, but interesting nonetheless)
http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv
Jack, I don’t think Jenn can make final 2. I don’t think she can beat either Ian or Tom for immunity twice, and I don’t think any of the remaining 3 would want her final 2. She has looked generally likeable, hasn’t really incurred anyone’s wrath that we’ve seen, and was never an obvious power player (Gregg was the one doing the obvious power playing for that couple, and just look at how the “behind the scenes” partner took less heat in the Rob and Amber alliance.) She has been competent enough that no one despises her for being dead weight. Any of the other 3 have to know that they have bitterness aimed at them (Tom and Ian) or may be viewed as lazy or too conniving (Katie) to easily beat Jenn with a jury that has a staunch Jenn ally/boyfriend and some bitter-based voters.
Idini79, I agree that Ian has shown some weakness and had moments of strategy-loss. (Strategy-loss, it’s like memory-loss only you can’t take gingko biloba to help it!) I only see him winning if he goes final 2 with Tom and gets some votes as the so-called lesser of two evils. Against either of the women, his alliance with Tom will hurt him while the female would win votes as the supposedly nicer, less conniving of the finalists, an appearance that is useful given that there are always angry, bitter, and/or hypocritical jury members to contend with! I don’t think Ian actually is more conniving that Katie, but she’s done a more masterful and hidden job of it, giving her an edge over Ian.
I have to hand it to Tom for making it this far. Usually the strong guy would have been vote off by now. While I realize he is being desperate at times, he definitely has to be, knowing the target is on his back. His willingness to take the rock last episode was genius.
As for Ian, what a gigantic p*ssy! I can’t beleive he was crying like that to Katie, yeah are they a couple or what? Best friends? You’ve known each other for 30 days and this is a game people. And why isn’t he pointing out to Kate that SHE is the one who was scheming against Tom and Ian with Gregg and Jen. WHY wasn’t anyone pointing that out, even in tribal council! The nerve of Katie to get mad at Ian for letting her in on the Gregg plan. Of course he would tell her right before since SHE was the one betraying Ian!
That brings me to Katie who absolutely sucks! She so does not deserve to win. She hasn’t done anything on her own, she can’t even make it across that dumb rope wood thing. Nice ab flab shot when she went down. Not cute.
Anyway, go Tom. I think he deserves it. Anyone but Katie.
I’m so glad I found tvgasm, thanks for the laughs. aww, a tear drops my eye.
further proof that i am getting nothing done today: i went to the survivor website to see what everyone had to say about why they voted for caryn…jenn’s answer is kinda interesting and makes me wonder what all is going on that we are not hearing about.
ashes: i always think you and papercuts! have the most interesting analysis of what is going on with any given show, keep it up!
Kathyl, I don’t want Katie to win, but your argument about why she isn’t deserving could actually be used to prove just the opposite–that she is the best player because she has played both sides without anyone managing to fully realize it, she has managed to avoid getting votes without ever winning immunity and becoming a target as a “threat”, she has manipulated so well that no fingers pointed at her during tribal council last night, and she has come within an inch of getting caught in major lies or double-dealings yet has played it so well that she comes off looking like the innocent victim each time! If she can ride that all the way to the win, then as much as I don’t want her to win, I’ll be forced to admit that she really did deserve it because she played everyone else like a fiddle.
What’s with all the Kate hate? And why so much negativity about her not having a flat stomach? Most women don’t. Fact. And it often has nothing to do with diet. I’m glad to see someone who doesn’t have the genetics of Heidi Klum get this far.
Let he/she who is without fault or fat cast the first stone.
Idini79, thank you! That’s very generous of you to say. I always think of things from other angles and gain new insight after reading the posts of you and others on this site, and it’s just plain fun! Aww, I’m having an “I love tvgasm and my fellow tvgasm-ers” moment! Sniff!
Speaking of which, what are we all going to do all day after May ends when we are bombarded with re-runs and a lack of the better reality shows? Is TAR doing a summer season? If not, how shall we then live?
Well, if Survivor history has taught us anything, then the next reward challenge should be a test of fallen survivors (how well do you know the people you voted out). While I’d like to see Jenn go far, she was with Greg all the time, and Tom will probably win again and win it all (which I’d like since I want to call him daddy everytime he’s on the screen…..he’s dreamy!)
I thought with the love music playing in the background that Katie and Ian were gonna profess their love for each other and start making out on the beach and I kept fearing that she would be on top and break him.
Last night was the best episode thus far, just watching Coby on the jury had me in stitches….I can’t wait for his katty comments on sunday!
Thank you Jimbo Juice! I can practically guarantee you that Katie is probably a whopping size 6 or 8. But you put that against the other size 0s or 2s on the island and guess what? Katie ends up looking “fat.” In fact, her “dunlop” looks more to me like extra skin after having LOST weight. Lay off people!
Oh….and have a great day!
corona kid- I loved Coby and Steph on the jury last night the looks they gave said what I think all of America wanted to say last night, second only to that of Eliza from last season.
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No spoilers allowed here!!! I didnt even try to look but I saw just b/c my screen was scrolled down too far
I’ve been thinking about why Jenn (what’s with the double consonants in names this season?) voted for Caryn. Caryn may have actually have been her biggest threat of the remaining contestants. What with Coby and Company in the Jury, Caryn’s got sure votes. But against the other three, Jenn may have the edge.
How I see it possibly playing out in Jenns pretty head:
Against Katie: Coby, Janu, and Caryn never got along with Katie, Gregg, well that’s a no-brainier. Tom and Steph are unknown. Ian would vote Katie (sucker).
Against Ian: Coby probably still holds a gruge against the whole fishing thing/aligned with Tom. Janu will probably go with Coby, and Caryn probably is pissed at Ian after the encounter on the beach. Gregg, again, a no-brainier. Tom would probably vote Ian. Steph’s a wild card. Katie would probably vote Jenn (sucker).
Against Tom: Coby, Janu, Caryn, and Katie all have expressed a personal dislike for Tom at one time or another. Gregg is a no-braininer (Sucker!!). Ian would vote Tom. Steph’s vote wouldn’t matter.
So, maybee that’s how she decided to vote. Or, maybe the piece of shit on her face from last TC told her to vote that way¦
Hey Lisa –
YOU F-ING IDIOT!!! I don’t know if you’re right or not about the outcome, but pay more F-ING ATTENTION…it specifically says: “Post a comment – NO SPOILERS PLEASE. If you have a spoiler, use the TVgasm forums”…
Not everyone wants to read that…
YOU ARE SO F-ING STUPID!!!!
Hey Lisa,
I heard it was Ian and Tana in the finals, and Flava Flav couldn’t make it to the jury because he went off the wagon while in the Sequester House. My friend Chris told me Trump had to decide for himself, and fired them both.
And Chris said “THAT IS FFFFFFACT!”
Re: spoilers
I have been watching reality tv faithfully since day one of Survivor. I read all spoilers because never once have they been right. Starting with Gervase winning Survivor One to the latest final three for TAR–none are ever right. Granted the Joychenna one was right about them being first, but that could be an educated guess. I think some people just make that crap up to get people riled up. And it worked!
Come to think of it, they dont read the votes until the show is live, so really there is no way to know who wins.
Lisa- where is your little spoiler from anyway? You suck wether its true or not! Plus, the announcement of the winner hasn’t even been taped yet, so how would you know anyway.
Ashes- why would Tom be the lesser of two evils with Ian? Besides Katie thinking he’s a big ol’meanie(rolling my eyes), hasn’t he been an overall nice guy? or am i blinded by my love for him. He was being nice to Caryn before she conspired against him. I think he was nice to Janu? okay, maybe Coby hates him, but he hates Ian too.
Stephanie doesnt like Tom either b/c he promised her a spot in the final 5 or something like that then had everyone else vote her out b/c she was too strong. Tom has been backstabbing a lot of people, whether they realize it or not. He has promised too many people things that he hasnt come through on. Coby hates him, Stephanie does, now Caryn, Gregg probably isnt too happy either, seeing as how Tom said he was in the final 3. I dont think Tom has a very good chance, as far as likability goes.
Oooh! T’was a great episode. Props to Caryn for revealing the schemes around camp. Can’t wait for the finale.
Will Tom win a landslide victory? Can Jenn make it to the end without being noticed? Will Katie deceive her way to the top? Will Ian win the final immunity? Who will be bitter people in the jury? Will Ian propose to Katie? We’ll find put more this Sunday…
I’m really hoping for a Tom win just because he’s hot. And he played a good game inspite of the several attempts by others to oust him for being a threat in immunity challenges.
Kathyl,
I was in no way saying that Tom or Ian are actually evil, I was just saying that from the crazy point of view of certain jury members, Tom might be “worse” than Ian. Tom was generally more outspoken, and Coby seemed to think Tom was the ringleader of the “guys group” that Coby hated. Janu could follow Coby’s lead, making two “bitter votes,” as I call them, that would likely prefer Ian to Tom. Caryn may blame Tom for not protecting her even though she informed him when Katie, Steph, and Jenn wanted to take him out. That’s all I meant when I said that some voters might view Ian as a lesser of two evils.
Katrina,
I certainly hope that Steph won’t vote based on bitterness. She could disappoint me, but she seems like the type (as does Gregg) to vote based on whose playing she thinks was smarter and stronger. She just doesn’t seem to be a Lex-type who gets all self-righteous and claims that it was moral for her to play others but immoral for someone else to play her for their own advantage. Even if Steph is a bitter vote, her original alliance was with Tom, Katie, and Ian, meaning that she could be just as bitter at Katie and Ian.
I forgot to add, Katrina, that you may be right about Tom not having a good chance if all votes are cast based on “likeability” meaning who did the most scheming and deceiving (although Katie has really done as much or more of that but just hasn’t been called out on it.) But if a few voters are intellectually honest enough to see that scheming is a part of the game that they wish they had done more effectively, Tom has a chance. That all depends on him making final 2 and then getting those non-bitter votes, and Katie or Ian would certainly have an opening to win against him. (I don’t mention Jenn because I just cannot see any of the other 3 taking her final 2 or her winning immunity to get there.)
Can someone explain to me why Ian, Tom and Katie voted off Caryn and not Jenn? Sure, she’s annoying, but when you’ve got an alliance don’t you always go after the biggest threat first? Jenn is competent in challenges and seems to be reasonably well-liked, whereas Caryn was inept and annoying.
re: spoilers
Lisa – thank you for putting the spoiler alert (I safely avoided the spoiler), but I censored the comment anyway — feel free to post about it in the forums though.
Everyone else, if you read the spoiler, try to be respectful of people who didn’t and don’t mention it here in the comments section. Again, feel free to discuss in the forums. We don’t want this area to turn into a spoiler minefield.
B-side can you please delete the Spoiler some creep left on the post!!! I can’t read any further until it’s gone. And how about blocking the IP #’s of wierdos who drop spoilers?
ANTF – I deleted the spoiler. I’m not sure if there are others because honestly, I only skimmed the rest of the comments from there on out in fear that the spoiler might resurface in a discussion.
Again people, I don’t know how many times we have to say this, NO SPOILERS IN THE COMMENT SECTION.
And yes, we’re strongly considering blocking ISPs.
I thought it was Gregg that actually conspired to get rid of Stephanie, Tom just went along with it. Gregg can’t be too pissed since he was conspiring to oust Tom; and it was Ian’s idea to oust Gregg, Tom was just going along with that one too. Now that I think about it, Tom really hasn’t been “scheming” that much.
I hope Tom wins, he is such a stud!
Gregg didn’t seem the least bit bitter during his “last words.” The problem is that once people are on the jury and someone like Coby or Janu takes over and goes on a moralizing rant, others may follow because it sounds and feels good in the moment. That’s why we have so often seen juries dominated by petty, bitter, self-righteous, and hypocritical speeches and votes. Any semblence of dignity, respect for the game, self-awareness, and honesty go out the window even while the jury lectures about honesty!
Lex is the all-time loser in this regard, but it happens pretty much every season. My hope for this season, which has been so much better than most of the last several seasons for me, is that Steph, Gregg, and the 2 who join the jury during Sunday’s episode can hold strong, keep their heads in the game, and vote for reasons not limited to “I’m perfect and you’re not, I deserved to win despite being outplayed and you don’t deserve to win despite doing the outplaying, wah wah wah.”
“I instantly felt sorry for Katie as her nose came perilously close to Ian’s armpits. I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy (although, I would wish it on Veronica and Tina from Road Rules).”
And with the reading of that I learned what it feels like to have Dr Pepper come up through your nose. Ouch. So funny it hurts!
Btw – I don’t read the last page of books, I don’t peek at Christmas Presents, and I hate spoilers, so anything you have to do to keep them from showing up will be hugely appreciated by this little fairy.
Wow, this whole spoiler thing is as controversial as the show. Thank God I didn’t read it, or I’d probably be pissed too.
” ‘I’m carrying your baby!’ Okay, maybe she didn’t say that last one.” If I wasn’t firmly convinced that Ian was a virgin, I’d say Katie was carrying his baby, because how else is she still fat? And I don’t think anyone is fat-bashing here; it’s just that EVERYONE ELSE has lost weight (fat and muscle tone), so why not her?
I personally think that the only smart move for Ian or Tom is to take each other to the final two, because then they’d probably have a 50/50 chance against each other. I think taking Katie would backfire because of the “bitter vote”.
Does anyone know if the jury members communicate among themselves while sequestered? Or are they seperated from each other too?
A caller asked that question on Survivor Live and Jenna M. (the co-host) completely avoided the question. Saying “we can’t tell you.” I don’t see why this would be secret.
Anwered my own question. Caryn said she wanted to spill the beans to the jury. That they deserved it or some such crud. If she did it at TC, that means she didn’t think she would have a chance to tell the other jury members after being voted off. Hence the jury members must be seperated (kinda boring for them, since you can’t contact your friends/family either).
As much as Ian was pussy-whipped, he managed to change Katie’s vote. So he who whips best, is the one who whips last.
The jury can talk to each other, they talked about it on “Survivor Talk” on the fishbowl just this Friday. Listen if you dare
Is Spoiler Lisa the same Spoiler Lisa from Amazing Race? If so, she has no excuse. She should have learned her lesson there.
So now that the finale is over, what was the spoiler that was posted? Was it even true? Thanks.
RealityTV, it was correct. Lisa spoiled that Tom and Katie would be final 2 and Tom would win the jury’s vote. She put a warning in front of the spoiler, but there was really no good way to get past her message to those beneath it without seeing the name “Tom.” I saw it, as did many others on here who did not want to.
I understand and agree that spoilers don’t belong here at all. You can’t exactly skip past them without seeing something you don’t want to see. Thanks!
I am bummed the season is over. I’m glad Tom won. I would have been FURIOUS it was Katie. I think she was least deserving than anyone else on the island. But Ian really deserved it too. Ya he slipped up a few times but he’s just a big lovable doofus who can’t lie. Is that so horrible?
Does anyone know what the final vote tally was – Tom to Katie? They didn’t show it, unless I missed it.
Thanks!
I think we can safely assume that Coby was the only one who voted for Katie. If not, they would have shown more of the Katie votes to make it more dramatic.
Yankeegirl- They never showed it. I was waiting for it too cuz I wanted to see who voted for who. I think bunnyhop is right. Anyone in their right mind would have voted for Tom over Katie.
Thanks! I figured that was the case, but I would love to know for sure. So glad they picked Tom though. Katie is just so….Amber-like.
I hate you Lisa >:( Thanks for spoiling it for the rest of us.
Im glad Tom won though. Katie was too much of a bitch to have won.
Here’s my question about Coby and his new baby: when he says her name, does he think about the time he said that he hated the women who weren’t working (Janu being chief among that group) and wanted to throw them in the fire? I knew Coby and Janu were friends out there, but he seemed irritated with her much of the time. It surprised me that he wanted to name his baby after her given that in interviews even this week he is still complaining about others in the tribe not working hard enough at camp.
To clarify my earlier comment about Katie (I posted before finishing – oops!) – she is Amber-like in the sense that she is a coattail rider. She is far more snitty though. Amber is bland.
Ashes – I thought that was interesting about Coby too, but I think he just liked to complain about everyone. I bet he and Janu had a much deeper bond that what the cameras showed, although it was odd that Janu was so surprised. I guess if they were really good friends, she would have known already, right?
yankeegirl, I had that same thought. I guess their contracts don’t let them have any contact with one another from the time they leave the island until the finale, otherwise she would have known something about it. Odd that the woman he cares about enough to have as a namesake didn’t seem to know he was even considering adoption much less that he had a baby already and named her Janu (poor kid)!
Did anyone else think it was weird that he adopted his cousin? Does anyone know how much time their is between the last tribal counsil and the live show? It seems so werid to me that they go back and live their normal lives before finding out the results. You’d think that afterwards Tom and Katie just asked everyone who they voted for so they wouldn’t have to wait to find out.
Does anyone know what the final vote tally was – Tom to Katie? They didn’t show it, unless I missed it.
Thanks!
#53 of 60 Posted by: yankeegirl at May 16, 2005 09:51 AM.
The newspapers say Tom got 6 out of the 7, with Coby’s Nay.
Does anyone know what the final vote tally was – Tom to Katie? They didn’t show it, unless I missed it.
Thanks!
#53 of 60 Posted by: yankeegirl at May 16, 2005 09:51 AM.
The newspapers say Tom got 6 out of the 7, with Coby’s Nay.
Does anyone know what the final vote tally was – Tom to Katie? They didn’t show it, unless I missed it.
Thanks!
#53 of 60 Posted by: yankeegirl at May 16, 2005 09:51 AM.
The newspapers say Tom got 6 out of the 7, with Coby’s Nay.
yankeegirl: They finished taping in December. So that means they have had to go about their normal lives for almost six months before they got to find out the winner. Plenty of time for Coby’s already pregnant cousin to have a baby and for him to adopt her.
Victoria, I don’t think the confusion was over Coby’s cousin having already given birth and him adopting the baby but over the others being so surprised at his news. They must not be allowed to talk to each other about anything, even things unrelated to the game and how they voted, for Janu to not know anything about his adoption plans at all. If they’d seen or talked to each other, you would think “I’m adopting a baby and naming her after you” would’ve been tops of the list of conversation topics!
Dearest B-Side:
In case you were waiting for someone to ask nicely….can we have the recap…pretty pleeeeeease?
I love you,
punkrox
Ashes: my comment was in response to yourmom’s question not anything yankeegirl said. That’s my fault. I’ve been reading all these comments and the names are swirling around in my brain. I guess I got them mixed up because they both started with a y.
Victoria, no problem. I just didn’t understand your comment about the passage of time in the context of the conversation (as I understood it) but now I see what you meant. The adoption did move fast, but his cousin must have been several months pregnant already. It is good that this Survivor will have faded far away before little Janu goes to school, because if not it could be rough to be named after an unpopular player who quit!
Punkrox -
I’m working on it!
If it’s true that the final vote was 6 for Tom and 1 for Katie (coby’s) that means Ian didn’t vote for Katie! Ha. It should have been Ian and Tom in the final two, that would have been a contest. Katie was WORTHLESS. And yes, how could she still be carrying all that belly fat when everyone else was skin and bones?? Lazy!!!! Really glad she didn’t win