Teen Mom 2 Reunion Recap: Part 1 Jenelle and Kailyn

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By SunnySideup | Wednesday, February 22, 2012 | 5:00 pm | 40 Comments
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MRIs to IUDs is the lead-in to this one, and ya know I honestly thought maybe Dr. Drew looked a little less tan and was a little less fake until he got to Kailyn and essentially got her to say to Jo, “I’m sorry I ruined your life by letting myself get pregnant and choosing to raise your child.”

It’s a reunion show, and I can barely stand to think about it, let alone take pictures of it, so just imagine a lot of over-processed hair, a lot of tarantula mascara, a lot of tears, and a spray-tanned ‘authority’ figure hosting it all.

What’s my problem with Dr. Drew anyway?  Well, he has to try way too hard to muster up something that looks genuine on camera, and he also is a misogynist.  MTV followed this reunion special with It Gets Better, Dan Savage’s project to inspire young people to embrace their sexuality and their circumstances, and to be strong being themselves, to give connections to young people who may feel isolated or alone.  They shoulda brought Dan Savage in about an hour before they did, and had him do the Finale Special, as we seem to be calling it now, rather than a Reunion.

Dan Savage is sex-positive.  And he has a teenager.  And he’s younger, more relatable to the current generation of kids.  Dr. Drew would be relatable for me, or for Heidi Fliess, but with the kids today,and especially with the girls at this point in the evolution of the show?  He never changes the approach with the girls, and always treats them with the implication that they screwed up and now life is really effing messed up.  Which is so not the point anymore.  At the time of 16 & Pregnant, then sure maybe there’s room to throw on some guilt or to remind them that their lives are changing forever.

But at this point, they have two year old babies.  He likes to impress upon them how they are up a creek, ostensibly I presume, to send the message to young viewers that teenaged motherhood is not ideal.  But let it go, Pinksy.  The way it comes across is that because they had sex (ohhh, baaaad) and got pregnant (whaaaaaatttt?????), they are marked forever and are open to patronization by a Twitter Shrink.

The contrast between Dr. Drew Pinsky and Dan Savage is astounding, and if a sex-positive host were to take on the teen moms here, they would all be so much better off.  They would be told, “Hey look, yeah you got pregs and you have a kid but move on already.  This is your life.  Do your best and be yourself.”  The tone would be direct, and there’d be that little wink that communicates you’re in on the joke, dialoging, not being lectured or grilled.  Dr. Drew?

Stop lecturing, stop grilling, and actually give these girls a relatable set of tools if you care so freaking much.  “Sons born to teen mothers are more likely to go to prison, so Jenelle, are you worried that Jace will go to prison?”

Fuck you, Pinsky.  She must have taken some extra anti-anxiety meds because she doesn’t even side-eye him, whereas I want to throw my drink at my TV.  On the other hand, Jenelle is awfully delusional and thinks that she has cleaned up a lot, that she is breaking the cycle.  Dr. Drew never asks her or Barb about therapy.  Why work on yourself when you can take a pill and make it all better, after all?

Almost in the same breath she tells us that she relapsed on pot and is now facing jail time.  She and Keiffer are off and on still, because it’s so hard to break up with your best friend.  A note about best friends.  I’ve had the same one for 15 years, and sure at times we probably drive each other nuts but I can say for sure that we’ve never filed domestic violence charges against each other, that’s for sure.  We even lived together for thee years in our early twenties while we were both heavy drinkers and had very little regard for anything but charging clothes at Express.  DTMFA.

I looked around to try to find when this was filmed, but I think it was awhile back, to be honest.  I’m basing this on hair colors and styles, natch.  Also, there was a lot more recent effing up by Jenelle that wasn’t mentioned by Dr. Drew.  Mainly, at the time of this taping, Jenelle relapsed on pot and dropped dirty, so she is facing jail time.  She wasn’t sure what would she was going to do – take the plea and go to jail, or wait for a court date and see what happens.

Dr. Drew asked her what she’s going to do next time, and she breaks my heart when she says she doesn’t know, implying that yes, there will be a next time.  She’s already accepted that there will be a next time, and that’s so very sad because this is a girl who seems to be doing so much better with a good structure and her meds.  She says that she loves school – she loves to focus on what she’s doing and she’s doing well, working toward her Associates so she can transfer to a full University and finish her film editing degree.

Please let Jenelle finish that degree and become an editor, because goodness knows she has the unique experience of having been on a poorly edited and popular show.  She’s already got years of experience!

The big news though, is that Grandpa Mike moved out, AND MOVED IN WITH A HOOTERS WAITRESS!!!!  I officially hate MTV for not showing us any of that drama.  Barbara has joined us onstage, and she feels great, like a weight has been lifted.  I gotta say, she looks terrific and sounds hilarious.  I sometimes wonder if Jenelle’s bipolar symptoms are not really disease, but on a spectrum.  I would imagine that Barb is on a spectrum, too.  Her hilarity is over-the-top and we’ve seen her anger be extreme as well.  They do exaggerated emoting really well, but I’m not sure that indicates disease.

I heard a This American Life bit recently talking about an Autism therapist who one day looked at her husband and decided to give her husband a test for Aspbergers Syndrome.  He came up with strong characteristics, and it changed their marriage because from that point on, he began to keep a Journal of Best Practices.  But was he really truly diagnosable?  Who knows.  That was the gist – don’t quote me on this one.  I was at work and the lady in the office next to me was being really super loud that day.  She’s drawer-slammer

What I’m saying is that people are broad and humanity, it is huge.  Why we are so tuned in to what should be normal, what we should be feeling as opposed to what we are feeling and what the normal setting might be for our own selves is something I’ve started to think about.  I blame the Internet.  We all feel so much more connected and informed, so we assume that if something looks eccentric or feels weird, it must be treatable.

In reality, it’s totally possible that Jenelle is just a run-of-the-mill sociopathic teenager, who needs to land herself in jail, meet a born-again guru-type, wind up big into AA, meet an older guy who is strong in the Lord, and settle down.

Instead, she’s only facing jail time, and Barbara is really honest about how Keiffer is using her and bringing her down.  She was a sweeter person before Keiffer and she didn’t get in trouble like this before Keiffer.  Also, he sucks away her money, according to Barbara, and I have a feeling that this is the biggest clearest issue Barb has with the whole thing.  He’s not just leading Jenelle into making dumb choices – that’s on her – he’s wasting her MTV money and that money needs to be used for the end-game, not for Keiffer to get a room so he can take a shower.

Their healthier interaction starts to cave as Barb gets a little preachy, a little teary.  Jenelle shuts down, so Dr. Drew intervenes.  He brings up how the last two times they’ve been together, he’s asked Barb to name three things about Jenelle that she admires, so this is a good time as any to go there again.  Far be it from Dr, Drew to be bothered to find a new convention here.  Maybe someone could Tweet some ideas to him for next time?

Barb says that Jenelle is generous, independent, and organized.  Dr. Drew asks Barb if Jenelle is lovable now, and Barb says she is more lovable (than she was last time).  For real, Pinsky?  You call yourself a THERAPIST, and you couldn’t sense that it’s still too tense for Barb to be able to just say, “Jenelle is a gawd-damn Cay-he Beah”  Translated: “Jenelle is a g*ddamn Care Bear,” fyi.

Dr. Drew tries to clean up his mess there and gently reprimand Barb that it’s not funny just yet, but it’s his fault for pushing Barb through that window, so I call shenanigans.  Probably because of what a joke I think Dr. Drew Pinsky is.  Oh, haha, joke’s on Jenelle – she’s still not that lovable…  way to go, Pinsky…

And look, I get it that I am going the distance and reaching pretty far for this stuff , but listen to the way he talks to these girls.  It’s disgusting.  He treats them like he is a shrink, and he’s not.  He has an honorary psych degree from USC, but he’s a doctor of internal medicine and a specialist in addiction.  The show we’re taking about here is Teen Mom.  Sure, Jenelle is addicted to pot (commence eye rolling) but where does an internist and addictionologist fit in when discussing and pulling messages from teen mothers?  Where? Are they addicted to sex?  Is he doing this from the goodness of his heart, because don’t.  He is a jerk to these girls.

Dr. Drew doesn’t take into account that this isn’t Tawny Kittan or Steven Adler.  These are barely young women, on a reality show, and they have children.  Children x children, and note that these are some of the first kids to have grown up with rality television.  The ages of our teen moms are right about where reality TV was not new for them – it was always there.  Now they have their children literally being borns and raised on reality television and that’s all new, it really is.  But he really truly doesn’t get it.

I’ll stop, I guess but my point is that there is no qualification that he has to take on this gig with the teen moms.  Because he really doesn’t have the right expertise for their issues, he comes off as patronizing and removed from really understanding how to reach them.  He leaves us feeling a little dirty for having watched the reunions, and it’s frustrating because the show is, ultimately, kind of important.  It’s kind of ground-breaking, or it used to be before it fell victim to editing and to the fact that teenagers grow up.  The babies and the girls here are not 40 year old housewives or 25 year old bachelorettes.  They’re all kids – kids grow and change, they just do.  I don’t think Dr. Drew knows how to treat all of the aspects that have to be considered when trying to ‘be there’ for the teen moms.

As proof that he’s in over his head here, he’s noticed that Barb and Jenelle are getting along better, so he proclaims them healed, like a super tan Gen-X Jesus.

For Kailyn, he mostly talks to Jo and Jordan.  I mean, duh, why talk to her  when there are guys who can help make sense of what the silly girl is saying?  Why talk to her about being out on her own, not speaking to her mother, going to school, or deciding to pursue child support when you can make her cry over boys?

She tells Dr. Drew pretty early on that they’re letting things fall into place.  She cheated on Jordan and she feels terrible for hurting him, but she also has a hard time not seeing herself with Jo in the future.

Jo comes out, in some really unfortunate black jorts, so Kail can ask him what he wants.  He’s a little punk today, and tells her that they’re 19, that they shouldn’t try to force anything right now.  He also dogs her out for cheating on Jordan, which is such a punk ass move that Dr. Drew totally calls him ou… oh no, wait.  No he doesn’t.  He lets Jo tell Kail she’s an asshole skank who cheated on her boyfriend.  Jo implies that they were rock and rolling all night and partying every day, but really it was twice, and only once was it an official cheat.

She explains that Jo had led her on quite a bit, that he goes back and forth on what he wants off camera.  She’s a little over-whelmed with how she has to deal with adult responsibilities but she still has these wonky teenage emotions.  Do those every go away?  Isn’t more that you learn how to navigate them?  Dr. Drew disagrees with her that she and Jo may end up together in the future.

So let’s bring out Jordan.  He sits his big self down facing Dr. Drew, not Kailyn.  He says that they keep trying to keep themselves together, that he expects he’ll get over it at some point but he is extra upset because it was Jo, with whom she obviously has a history and has chemistry.  She boned the one guy that Jordan will always have to deal with if they stay together; she can’t just send Jo away and they never speak of it again, after all..

She thinks Jordan knows how she feels, that she’s sorry she hurt him and was trying to protect his feelings, but this is all new territory.  Then Kail pulls out the classic, “It hurts me to hurt you.”

Arrrrggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!

CLASSIC GUY TRICK.  Ladies, tune in: That line, “I’m upset because I hurt you so badly,”  that line is bull doody.  Never give sympathy to that line.  Only allow it if it’s explaining, not if the person is using it to garner forgiveness.

Anyway, Jordan feels like she should know what she wants without having to base her decisions on Jo’s reactions, but that’s not entirely the case here.  Dr. Drew, in the single acceptable moment of the whole hour, reminds Jordan that they aren’t the average 20 year olds with the average black and white situation.

Jo returns, and tells them that she should be whomever she wants to be with; but he already said he doesn’t want it to be him.  When Dr. Drew leans in and sotto voce tells Kailyn that she needs to make a choice.  So, under the pressure applied by a fake shrink to chose between two dudes when there really isn’t a choice to make, she leaves the stage.  Victory!!!  In yo’ FACE, Pinsky!

When she comes back, she reiterates that she wants things to fall into place.  Jordan needs more time, and I noticed, he needs to cut the post-breakup diet.  Good night that kid could lay off the pizza, or else we may be heading toward a Gary Shirley kind of thing.  I’m a chubby chaser from way back, but is Kailyn?

Dr. Drew points out that neither guy wants her, which is really weird since four minutes ago, he was telling her to chose between two dudes as if they both want to be her option.  He also encourages her to tell them what they need to hear in order to stay on her team.

WTF?

“Go ahead, Kailyn.  Tell them what they need to hear to keep them on your team.”

“Um, you are the father of my child and you, other one, you are getting paid to be on a TV show featuring me.”

That’s not what she says, sadly.  Worst moment of the night is when, at Dr. Drew’s oh-so-caring encouragement, Kail turns to Jo and apologizes for taking away his childhood.

That’s right.  It’s all her fault.  She is the dirty girl who had sex with Jo, and got pregnant with his baby, and decided to raise the child therby ruining Jo’s young life.  FUCK YOU DR. DREW, FOR ALLOWING THAT SHIT TO HAPPEN.

At the very end, comes the next most egregious Dr. Drew Moment of Misogeny when they are discussing STDs.  Apparently, Kail assumed that since she’d taken a ride on the J Train before and since now she’s on Mirena, there would be no reason to use a condom.  Except then something must have started going on downtown, so she went and got tested.  She had an STD.  Jordan got to just get treated; now, she and Jordan had only been with each other.  Jo, on the other hand, who knows.  She correctly assumes that Jo is the most likely progenitor here.  Jo tells her she can’t point fingers here, implying that Jordan could have been messing around or carrying something.  Jo hasn’t been tested or treated so he’s totally destroying his cred here – speaking of implications, if he’s not been treated then he’s walking around still carrying crotch rot.  FYI.

The worst thing is though, after Jo almost had a point until he copped to not taking care of things, Dr. Drew agreed with him that she can’t assume she got it form Jo!!!  Dr. Drew tells her that, “You never know, you never…. know.”  Jordan, thank goodness, reaches over and gives her a supportive little neck squeeze.

Dan Savage would have told her to DTMFA, both of them, and go find someone who can love her and accept the circumstances of her life.  They are out there.

Next week?  More Dr. Drew!  And Mrs. Potatohead! And Barbara Mandrell!

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40 Comments

  1. 1
    CathodeTube CathodeTube
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    I could not agree with you more on both Dan Savage & Dr. Drew.

  2. 2
    ash1
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Sunny – you are SPOT ON about Dr. Drew. He has rubbed me the wrong way for years and you spell out the problem succinctly! It is hard to even watch, I only tuned in to see the babies…no babies!

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    wow
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    I really thought I misheard when Dr. Drew told Kailyn to apologize to Jo for taking his childhood or whatever crap he said! He missed a real opportunity to use Jo as a living example of what happens when you don’t like to wear condoms: babies and STDs. So disappointing. I’m scared of what he is going to say to Leah…

  4. 4
    Derek Hazelton
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    I’m a Dr. Drew fan (and I even catch his show “Lifechangers” from time to time, check your local listings, LOL!), but even I can recognize that his credibility has taken a hit because of all the Celebrity Rehab deaths. I do believe he is a wealth of information (as evidenced on Loveline), but I also can see how he comes off as a charisma vacuum.

    But let’s not forget that Dan Savage has also created a media persona; and he’s making money on the backs of the gay suicides. “It Gets Better” is a phenomena that may have started with the best of intentions, but making a television show based on it turns him into the same type of whore that Dr. Drew is.

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    ash1
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    “Charisma vacuum????” The word you’re looking for is: DOUCHE! This is not about his on-air personality, it is about his essential, mysoginistic fuck-tardness and complete lack of touch with reality. Butt Plug your show somewhere else, Drew!

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    Lopezgirl
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    I read that it was filmed in July. I am so cheering for Jenelle and her mom to be friends. They just need to stay away from Dr. Drew!!!!!

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    k-bex
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Dr. Drouche reminds me of a mormon cult leader “the boys can’t help themselves, it’s your job as evil, tantalizinggirls to hide your goodies. now say sorry for having a venus flytrap down there”

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    Sunni Sideup
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    @Derek – I agree that Dan Savage is a media personality and sometimes a really annoying, smug one at that; however, I think he’s a better fit for these girls, generationally. Whore or not, he still, I think, is better connected to a better message for the teen moms and the audience. I think he has the dexterity to not put the girls down while at the same time, not promoting teenage pregnancy. He is big into safe sex, and his tone feels more current than Dr. Drew’s. I think that he would have a better effect at getting out the message that safe sex is important – his message on that is delivered in no uncertain terms, it’s delivered often, and it’s delivered with options that don’t criticize the intended audience. Also, I wonder that since he’s an out gay man, if he likely has had to deal with some similar things as the teen moms in terms of how it is difficult to find your own self when you have this whole extra thing to deal with. That’s all. :)

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    Chicken Lips
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    I watched this and didn’t realize Dr. Drew’s angle until I read the recap. I knew something was off but I couldn’t get my finger on it. What’s the deal with him anyway? I just googled “sanctimonious” and his picture appeared (not really – but it should have because a picture is worth a thousand words).

    I thought it was hilarious when Babs and Jenelle cracked up about Mike moving in with a Hooters waitress – you know there’s an awesome story behind that one. Dear MTV, please start the show “50 and Legal Guardian of my Grandchild” so we can finally hear Barbara’s story. Love, ME

    I can’t wait until next week when we talk about Chelsea’s tan. Looks like she is making good use of her employee discount at Year Round Brown.

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    Sahara
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Sunni, thank you for clearly stating your reasons why you dislike Dr. Drew. I was actually gonna ask about that! I know you and some of the other posters have mentioned hatred toward Dr. Drew but I never knew why! The only time I’m privy to him are on these reunion shows, so I didn’t know about his background or any of the other stuff. I am fine with him, but I can see why he’d rub you the wrong way.

    I’ve never been to therapy so I’m not sure what a therapist would ask or how they would react, so I can’t say if Dr. Drew is good/bad. I do agree that Dr. Drew didn’t go into much of the important topics of being a teen mom, and he focused way too much on Jo/Jordan. But this is just a 2 hour show and he’s dealing with teenagers. Jenelle for one always seems to never tell the truth – she focuses on all the positives, and as you say “gives lip service” to missing Jace, etc. but without ever really owning up to her troubles. So Dr. Drew really has only so much to work with her.

    I actually thought Jordan’s comment about wishing Kail would make a decision based on how she feels and not about her relationship status with Jo was really spot-on. And yes they are teenagers but they really, they should be maturing, so this is the direction to go in, not backwards. And maybe I interpreted it wrong, but it sounded like Kailyn’s apology to Jo was based off of something Jo had said he felt, because I think she said something like “I’m sorry if I made you feel like I took away your childhood…” All in all though, we have to remember that what these kids did was a choice. Sure, maybe a lot of teenagers have sex, and mistakes do happen, but it’s still a choice. And they have to know that certain choices have consequences and they have to deal with them.

    Looking forward to Part 2!

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    Mrngstar
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    WTH is up with Jenelle & Leah’s face? Looks like they had a Botox injection! And those gawd awful tans! Bleh.

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    chaosbutterfly
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    I hate Dr. Drew with a passion. I was more with him when he was talking to Janelle, because he was saying things that made sense and asking some of the right questions. I say some and not all because he failed to ask Janelle when exactly she plans to start parenting her baby and he didn’t press her enough. She was acting like everything was awesome, but you know it’s not. But for who he is, he handled her section nicely.

    But when he got to Kailyn, I was so angry. He tried to make to her feel like this terrible person, putting all this pressure on her, making her apologize to Jo for having his freaking baby like she stole his sperm in the night or some bullshit, and trying to gloss over the fact that Jo has a diseased penis. And then had the nerve to on the low agree with Jo that Kailyn is a secret STD-spreading slut. But he didn’t stop to ask Jo why he was sticking his dick in like six other chicks at the same time as Kailyn, why he didn’t want to pay child support when he is still living with his momma rent-free, and why he’s always mumbling. Couldn’t ask him any of that.

    So proud of Kailyn when she walked her ass off the stage. I hope the other moms follow her example if (read:when) Dr. Drew starts to get froggy with them, because notice how when she came back, he had lost some of that predatory glint in his eye. These girls just sit there and take his shit, and that’s why he keeps on doing it.

    And then it looks like next week, he’s going to reprimand Chelsea for hurting Adam “badly”. Like Adam even has feelings or a soul to get hurt. But you just know Dr. Drew’s not gonna remember to ask Adam why he calls Aubree names, or why she always cries when he comes around or even touches her, and/or why he’s so emotionally and verbally abusive towards Chelsea.
    Oh god, I hate Dr. Drew so much. With the fire of a thousand suns.

    And even if he did run away with the hooters girl, I remain on Team Grandpa Mike. I feel like that poor man has just been trying to live his life in that place and I guess he couldn’t take it anymore. I don’t even blame him for running away with the Hooters girl because I bet at least there, he can read his newspaper and watch NASCAR and work on his model airplanes or whatever he likes to do in peace.

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    Buffy
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    @ Chicken Lips -”50 and Legal Guardian of my Grandchild” HAHAHA LLBA!!!

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    Buffy
    Posted February 23, 2012 at 12:07 am

    Was excited to watch this tomorrow morning when i get home from work, but now i’m just bummed.

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    RazzBeth
    Posted February 23, 2012 at 4:19 am

    Totally agree about Dr. Dickhead. He is a misogynist and always puts the blame on the girls for everything. He needs to go away and not be on any form of media for a while, because a lot of the time, he is making the situation worse. What an asshole.

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    Lisa
    Posted February 23, 2012 at 5:55 am

    I couldn’t wait for this recap so I could voice my opinion about Dr. Drew! He DOES NOT talk about or ask questions about stuff that the T.V. audience wants to know! He just is ridiculous! SERIOUSLY DR. DREW?!? IT WAS CLEARLY OBVIOUS THAT JO WILL TRY TO DESTROY ANY RELATIONSHIP THAT KAILYN HAS! EVEN I COULD SEE THAT AND I’M NOT A DOCTOR! I WAS SO WANTING KAILYN TO GO OFF ON DR. DREW!!! HE’S USELESS! GET RID OF HIM MTV!!!!

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    Lisa
    Posted February 23, 2012 at 5:58 am

    IS THERE SOME KIND OF WEBSITE OR HOT LINE WHERE WE CAN GO AND GET DR. DREW OFF THIS SHOW!?

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    NotWithoutMyTV notwithoutmytv
    Posted February 23, 2012 at 7:40 am

    I don’t have Dr. Drew’s sparkling credentials, but… Jenelle needs jail time. Period. She already tried rehab and that didn’t work. She still doesn’t even have a nodding acquaintance with reality–she thinks she’s doing much better.

    She’s going to keep fucking up until she’s put inside long enough to detox and get over the vagrant boyfriend… then maybe she can start making changes. Doubtful, but maybe.

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    Sunni Siduep
    Posted February 23, 2012 at 7:57 am

    My bestie and I used to joke about a show called ’36 and Pregnant’. It would be on VH1, feature a soundtrack by Sheryl Crowe and Maroon 5, and all of the grandparents would be a lot more excited than the expentant mothers. ’50 & Legal Guardian of my Grandchild’ is HIGH-LARIOUS!!! It could be on CBS, or OWN, or Discovery Health. The soundtrack would be all classic rick, like Foreigner and 38 Special, and the Grandmoms would all bitch about how hard it is to be patient through a hot flash while potty training a toddler. Brilliant – I love it!

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    Gypsy Gypsy
    Posted February 23, 2012 at 8:35 am

    I just want to say that @Sunni Siduep idea is awesome!

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    dallasboo
    Posted February 23, 2012 at 8:58 am

    chaosbutterfly- you stated it perfectly! Why did Dr. Drew fail to address ANY of Jo’s actions?! The big ugly baby lives at home with his parents, works for his mother, sticks it in various girls but does not believe he needs to pay any $$$ towards the care and expenses associated with his son. He is just gross and looked ridiculous in those huge boots and shorts. Why was the focus on Kail and her poor choice to sleep with his dumb ass? Dr. Drew should have told Jo to step up, grow up and be a man.

    And notwithoutmytv is correct…..rehab is useless for Jenelle. She needs extended time in jail and a good beatdown. She has NEVER cried for Jace and expressed emotion for him the way she does that smelly Keiffer. She only loves weed, Keiffer and herself. Nothing else really matters to her. Barb is a tad nutty, but I hate to think what condition Jace would be in if he was left only with Jenelle.

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    Buffy
    Posted February 23, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Woah. Just watching this now. I cannot believe after Jenelle watches her clips and drew asks her what she thinks of it and all she talks about is Kiefer!
    And I know people have said that jenelle is smart, but she comes off dumber than a box of rocks. Perhaps she is book smart but has no common sense. I don’t know what it is about her, I thought sociopath, but it’s multiple, inexplicable things. She is just OFF. on every board, every button, every switch, she’s off and CREEPY. She really does scare me. It’s quite bizarre.

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    Buffy
    Posted February 23, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Ahh, I see. I’m watching Bawbrah and I’m staring to see something here. I have had the moments were I loved Bawb (the tire patches present!!), but these are 2 extremely damaged women. I can understand now how jenelle, had to disassociate at probably a very young age, simply for self preservation.
    It looks like that mother daughter bond wasn’t established, and jenelle is emulating that with jace. Clearly there are other factors, like her drug use and co-dependency issues with men (boys), but I get the feeling Bawb is one of those moms that are much better grandmothers than mothers. I know there isn’t a whole lot of options if they want jace to stay in the family, but perhaps Bawb is making up for some of her mothering “mistakes” that she made with Jenelle.&

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    ash1
    Posted February 23, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    Buffy – I think you’re right on. I do think Jenelle WANTS to love Jace, but she has NO IDEA what healthy love looks like. People think it comes naturally, but it really is learned, and Barb did not teach Jenelle, as much as she may have wanted to. To Jenelle, increasing intensity in a relationship is the only was to get closeness and, unfortunately, with both Brab and Keiffer, that intensity is a negative kind. She doesn’t want to do that with Jace, but has no idea how else to feel close to anyone. I give her some credit for at least not doing that with Jace yet, better she has a distance than violence, but the older he gets, the more likely that she will repeat that with him. I get people wanting her in jail, and that wouldn’t be out of line, but long-term, psychiatric help is what we should be hoping for if we really care about Jace. Unfortunately, getting Jenelle to go and to stay may be impossible.

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    Buffy
    Posted February 23, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    @ash1 -I’m with you. It’s funny how I never noticed it until this special, but it seems pretty clear. And the pysch help is definitely necessary, probably for everyone involved (meaning eventually Jace). Yes, yea, we all too often take it for granted that we all have the ability to love and nurture ourselves and others, and we have the ability, but not the know how. The scary thing is that if Jenelle doesn’t get the help she needs that not only will it dramatically and traumatically affect Jace, but it could also cause this confused and lost girl to become a manipulative and dangerous woman.
    During the special Dr Drew said something about prison being a part of her luge, when he actually meant JAIL. The difference between those two places are huge and lasting, and while Jenelle’s experiences now are with jail, if someone doesn’t help her it WILL be prison. These severely defective relationships and upbringing play a big part in creating life long criminals. People that are unable to be productive members of society because they are unable to relate to other people.

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    anony
    Posted February 23, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    I know it might seem that I’m just jumping on the bandwagon, but I can’t stand watching Dr. Drew. I used to watch the reunion shows but I couldn’t stand watching him being so condescending. Yes the girls messed up but they need someone who will help them for the future, not keep tearing them down and blaming everything on them. It takes two to tango and two to make a baby!

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    kthxbai
    Posted February 24, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Kail better apologize! Because of her Jo has to live at his rich parent’s fancy house spending their $ and playing rapper in the studio.

    While her lazy ass gets to work a job, pay bills, go to school AND change diapers.

    As if stealing his sperm and his childhood wasn’t enough, after that the greedy bitch stole his STD too!

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    Liz
    Posted February 24, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    I actually don’t agree that jail time will change anything about Jenelle. She clearly hasn’t cared about consequences enough to stop what she’s doing, and it doesn’t seem like anything about jail scares her enough to stop doing things that will get her sent to jail. She needs extended treatment of some sort, whether its inpatient or outpatient or whatever.

    @Sunni – it’s funny you say that about spectrums, because there is a huge push to change the diagnosing system (the DSM) into a spectrum system, instead of just you do or don’t have something.

    I also thought it was kinda cray cray that Kailyn was apologizing to Jo for taking away his childhood, but no one addressed it. I can understand if she feels the need to get rid of guilt for thinking that, or even if he was just trying to be gracious and accept what she wanted to get out, but the fact that he didn’t say it back to her or that no one said anything about the fact that they both ruined their own/each other’s childhoods was disturbing.

    And though I hate Dr. Drew, I didn’t take the STD comment the same way. I thought he just wanted to get across to the impressionable youths or whatnot that it’s always better to use condoms, even if you think you can trust someone, especially when you’re young. But I agree he shouldn’t try to imply guilt on Kailyn or Jordan either.

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    NotWithoutMyTV notwithoutmytv
    Posted February 24, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Sounds like we’re rapidly running out of options that would help Jenelle. Which plan was just lobotomizing her and getting her a job at Walgreen’s? Plan J, or plan K?

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    Liz
    Posted February 24, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    @NWMTV – HAHAHAHA! Awesome.

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    iamrufus
    Posted February 24, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    NWMTV, I would totally watch that show…

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    Buffy
    Posted February 24, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    @kthxbai HAHAHAHA!! that is too funny!!

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    JudgyWudgy JudgyWudgy
    Posted February 25, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Dr. Drew sucks you guys. If you really want to know what’s wrong with these teens and their relationship dynamics, ask me.

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    snowshoecat snowshoecat
    Posted February 25, 2012 at 9:11 am

    I have read the comments of my fellow Gasmii for quite a while now, and I know that, differences aside, this is a very savvy bunch. Buffy and a few others have been down some rough roads and are now sharing the wisdom gained both professionally and here.

    We have to keep in sight that these girls are still children. Damaged children. And thanks to MTV and exploitive producers, they will become more damaged Quasimodo-adults. Thank also in no little part to the dubious ministrations of Dr. Drew. He is doing them no favors, but pandering to his bosses for the benefit of ratings.

    Gee, I wish that WE could have our own show: The Wit and Wisdom of the
    Gasmii. Of course I’m kidding — sorta. Some good advice and observations here.

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    snowshoecat snowshoecat
    Posted February 25, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Oh dear. I’m on my eyeless-pad and can’t go back and edit. Of course I meant Quasi-adults. I was not turning the girls into bell-ringing beasts.

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    ash1
    Posted February 25, 2012 at 10:06 am

    lol – I really was wondering about quasimodo adults, now I don’t feel so out of touch!

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    snowshoecat snowshoecat
    Posted February 25, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Ash1–You? Never.

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    considerthis
    Posted February 25, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Somewhat stunned that Jo MTV Raps is a potential dirty dick. The shear fact that more than one woman tapped that nasty douchebag is unbelievable.

    Even though she was only briefly shown – Leah scared the shit out of me. Scary flashbacks from my childhood as she looked like one of my barbie dolls that my dog had taken and drooled & chewed on, then shook her hair in its mouth and we found hidden behind the couch. The rough few months she has had have taken their toll and then some.

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    RR
    Posted March 5, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    PLEASE PLEASE do a re-cap of last week! Loved Leah saying she didn’t like Corey watching porn without her.

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    Sunni Sideup
    Posted March 9, 2012 at 10:05 am

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/tvgasm/teen-mom-reunion-by-sunisideup/10150561914461560

    It had to be posted on Facebook, but I’m thinking you can copy and paste the link above. I’m not sure how to move it here, and haven’t really been paying attention yet on the new site stuff. Your little Sunni Badger is nursing ACL 2.0 and feeling really shitty for how much fun I made of Chelsea’s 9 layer of sweats. Okay. I get it. Knee surgery requires loose comfortable clothing. Karma, you win.

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