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Wednesday, March 21, 2012
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Hi, TWD-ers, and welcome to your recap for the Season Two Finale! First, thank you for bombarding my inbox with all the comments on the minicap. That’s maybe the most I’ve ever gotten, and again, thank you.
But let’s get to the recap. All this week needs for a setup is this: an enormous horde of zombies is headed straight for the house. Shit’s about to get hairy.
COLD OPEN
ATLANTA
But before we get to the climactic zombie battle, the show takes us to downtown Atlanta. We haven’t been here since the Season Two premier. Lots of time has passed since then and now the city is full under zombie control.
Weirdly, a helicopter flies overhead. I say “weirdly” because the last time we saw such a helicopter was in the series premier. Rick saw it as he entered the city for the first time since the zombiepocalypse–or thought he did. He only saw it for a second, and he’d just gotten out of a coma, so there’s a pretty good chance he was hallucinating. So what the hell is this? Are helicopters still flying around this long after Wildfire?
Ever more weirdly, the zombies seem really interested in the helicopter. As it flies past the city, the sound attracts their attention and they follow it. Eventually there are so many we have a full on horde.
This new horde makes its way out of town. Urban gives way to rural. Eventually they run into a wooden fence. More and more zombies arrive and press into the fence and finally it snaps. They keep going.
Later they’re In the woods somewhere, and they hear a gunshot. They turn in that direction. It’s the shot Carl killed Zombie Shane with.
And cut to, Rick and Carl walking back towards the house, unaware how fucked they are right now.
ACT ONE
THE HOUSE
Lori, Andrea, and the others are waiting everyone to come back—this is when Rick, Shane, Glen, and Daryl went out to find Randall. Andrea is worried and wants to go out to look for them but Lori wants her to stay for their protection.
Lori proves that there can be gender equality after the apocalypse: you can passively depend on both sexes to defend your weak ass
Finally Daryl and Glen come through the door. They fill in the gang on what they know…they found Zombie Randall, but with no bite marks, which implies Wildfire is changing. More urgently, they found evidence Shane killed Randall first. (Shane’s footprints, and how Randall clearly died of a broken neck).
But everyone is still worried for Rick and Shane, so Lori sends Daryl and Glen back out to find them.
FIELD
Rick and Carl are walking back to the house, still oblivious to the huge horde of zombies behind them.
Carl is confused about what transpired at the end of last week’s episode. All he knows for sure is that he shot Zombie Shane. He doesn’t know how Shane could have become a zombie because there weren’t any other zombies around. He senses Shane’s death was suspicious, and senses Rick might have had something to do with it.
But before Rick can come up with a story, they hear the moans. They book.
HOUSE
Back at the house, everyone else makes the same realization. Look at all those zombies. Shit.
Hershel tells Patricia to kill the lights. Andrea runs off to get the guns. Glen wonders if they should retreat inside and stay quiet in the hopes the zombies will pass by unaware, like the zombies on the highway did. Daryl doesn’t think that’ll work—there are so many zombies, they’d tear the house apart.
FIELD
Rick and Carl can’t reach house because zombies have blocked the way. Their only hope is to run into the barn and hide. The zombies have long since noticed their presence, and they barely keep ahead of them, but do manage to get inside and close the doors.
HOUSE
And now, Lori’s just noticed Carl is gone. For her, that immediately takes priority over everything else. Carol takes her back inside to look one last time in case they missed him.
Andrea brings the guns onto the porch and everyone arms themselves. While there’s still time the group COULD try to make a run for the cars and escape, but Hershel won’t budge. He’s not leaving his farm and will die protecting it if he can. It’s a pretty hopeless cause, but the rest of Team Rick agrees to stick around and help.
BARN
Inside the barn, Rick has a much better plan in motion. He’s spreading gasoline around the floor of the barn. He sends Carl up into the loft and gives him a lighter. The plan is, Rick will lure a bunch of zombies into the barn and hurry up the ladder while Carl drops the lighter and sets the bunch on fire. Rick sends his son up the ladder first and tells him he loves him—he knows this could go awry at any time.
But once Carl is up top, Rick opens the barn door and manages to get up to the loft in time. Carl sets the zombies on fire and the two of them watch them burn.
THE HOUSE
The motorcycle, the RV, the sedan, and the blue pickup come single file up past the house and down the driveway toward the zombies: Daryl on the bike, T-Dog and Andrea in the truck, and Glen and Maggie in the sedan. They all start shooting as many zombies as they can before speeding off, hoping to lure the zombies away. Even though he’s hanging out the window of a moving friggin’ car, Glen seems to hit a zombie with every shot.
Yeah, there’s no way Glen would be able to hit anything from a moving vehicle. I know because it took me forever to beat that level in Half Life 2
HOUSE
Through the window, Beth notices the barn on fire and wonders if Rick and Shane might have set it.
Lori and Carol come downstairs. They haven’t found Carl and Lori is starting to freak out.
BARN
Rick and Carl back out of the loft and onto the roof of the barn, which is now engulfed.
Jimmy is driving the RV and leaning out the window to pick off zombies. Daryl sees Rick and Carl on the roof and tells Jimmy to drive up next to the barn so they can jump onto the RV’s roof and escape.
Jimmy does, and Rick and Carl easily hop onto the RV…but the RV is quickly surrounded and Jimmy apparently forgot to lock the side door because three zombies burst in and tear him apart.
Happy trails, Jimmy. We hardly knew ye. Because, um, the writers only gave you two lines this entire series.
So Rick and Carl won’t be riding to safety. Rick climbs off the RV and shoots the zombies in front of him and leads Carl off.
FIELD
T-Dog and Maggie keep driving their vehicles and Andrea and Glen keep shooting zombies, but they realize they can’t corral the zombies and need a new game plan. They’re going to run out of ammo soon.
Meanwhile Hershel stands on his front lawn with a shotgun and takes down zombie after zombie.
I like your odds, Hershel!
BARN
Rick and Carl manage to get ahead of the zombies, and Rick leads Carl into the woods to lose them.
HOUSE
Lori thinks Carl must have gone off to search for Rick. She’s Lori at her wits end and wants to run off in the direction she thinks Carl might have gone, but Carol wisely keeps her from doing that. Feeling helpless, Lori takes out the .38 and shoots a couple zombies just so she can do SOMETHING.
Hershel continues shooting. Lori, Carol, Patricia, and Beth all decide to make a run for it, but they can’t convince Hershel to come with them. He just stays on his lawn shooting, oblivious. He’s most likely a dead man at this point.
So the women run off without him. But the moment they leave the porch, a zombie has Patricia.
Blood geyser!
T-Dog and Andrea pull up and rescue Lori and Beth, but Carol gets separated from them and a couple zombies corner her against the shed. She picks up a piece of wood to defend herself but it doesn’t look good.
Andrea runs out of the truck and shoots the two zombies. Carol is safe. But a third zombie is on top of Andrea. She shoots it down, and it collapses on top of her.
Zombies are swarming the pickup. T-Dog has no choice but to tear out of there.
When Andrea gets the zombie off her, she realizes with horror that she’s been abandoned.
(Also, Carol just kinda disappeared. Hope she’s OK).
FIELD
Glen and Maggie see the pickup departing and decide to follow, but when Maggie slows down to turn the zombies surround them. Glen tells her to hit the gas and drive away from the farm for good. She can’t even fathom the suggestion. Zombies surround them. She finally guns it.
THE HOUSE
Hershel has killed 10,000 zombies by now and finally has to reload. While he’s loading, a single zombie sneaks up behind him. He doesn’t notice, and it’s on top of him.
But Rick comes up from behind and shoots it! Hershel is safe for now. Rick wants to know where Lori is but Hershel has no idea so the three of them head off to find her. Rick has to tear Hershel away from his beloved farm, but does get Hershel into another pickup and they’re off.
Andrea runs after them and tries to get their attention, but they don’t see her. Now she’s surrounded. Luckily she spots the bag of guns. At least she’ll be protected a while longer.
And finally, Daryl sits on his bike a ways off, watching the barn burn with a contemplative look on his face. He hears Carol screaming, and yes, she’s managed to outrun the zombies, but not by much. He races over and collects her onto the back of his bike and they take off.
Without wearing helmets.
RICK’S VEHICLE
Rick drives the red pickup off the farm. They have no idea what happened to Lori, and Rick tries to comfort his son. In the back seat, Hershel looks back in agony at his home, maybe for the last time.
So that’s that. Just about everyone escaped. Jimmy and Patricia didn’t make it, and Andrea’s status is unknown.
ACT TWO
BACK ROADS
Daryl and Carol continue on down a back road in the woods. It’s foggy and dark so they can’t go too fast, and when they come to a bend in the road full of zombies they barely slip through.
On another road, Glen and Maggie head away from the farm. Glen wants Maggie to drive towards the highway, at the spot where they left supplies for Sophia, but they’ve been separated from the group and don’t know if anyone else made it. Maggie is starting to lose it. Glen has her stop the car and they switch places.
Now that they’ve stopped, Maggie goes into hysterics. Glen can’t really comfort her about her family members, so he does the only thing that’ll help: tells her he loves her.
You can only play that card once, my friend. I hope it was worth it.
THE HIGHWAY
I guess the group planned for a disaster better than I thought. Rick’s red pickup arrives at the spot where they left the supplies. Was this a designated meeting place? If so, nice work!
Carl is really pissed at Rick for choosing to flee the farm to safety, and he doesn’t understand why they don’t go back and find Lori. He starts to raise his voice and Rick has to shush him, but Rick doesn’t have much of an answer. He’s in a really tough position: he had to protect his kid and escape, but he DID kinda abandon Lori. And Carl’s a kid and therefore stupid and thus can’t understand why Rick made the decision he did.
Carl goes off to mope and Hershel offers to let Rick take Carl to safety while he waits for everyone else to reach the meeting spot. But Rick won’t let him. They stick together and that’s that.
ANOTHER BACK ROAD
T-Dog is driving the blue pickup away from the farm. Lori wants him to head towards the highway, but he’s convinced this is their only shot to survive. He wants to continue driving east until they reach the coast. Lori threatens to jump out of the truck if he doesn’t turn around, and that’s enough to get him to give in. Talk about a near miss.
THE HIGHWAY
Rick just can’t catch a break today. A lone zombie approaches. He, Carl, and Hershel hide behind the truck so it can pass. They can’t shoot it and risk attracting a horde to this spot.
They now that this spot isn’t the safest. Hershel again urges Rick to take Carl and run for it. He thinks Rick’s one imperative should be to keep Carl safe. Staying here on the off chance Lori and the others are alive is too risky.
Carl doesn’t want to leave, but Hershel’s words have swayed Rick, and he kneels in front of Carl to begin the unenviable task of convincing his son to abandon his mother.
But wouldn’t you know it, just this once, Rick DOES get that break. Off in the distance they hear a motorcycle. They look up and see Daryl and Carol, followed by Glen and Maggie, and then by T-Dog, Beth, and Lori. (I guess all the vehicles magically found each other before getting here, then).
Everyone enjoys the reunion. It’s short-lived, though, as they all realize they’re missing some people. Patricia, Jimmy, and Shane didn’t make it—and Rick doesn’t fill anyone in on the particulars of Shane’s demise just yet.
T-Dog can’t be sure that Andrea is dead, though, so Daryl wants to go back to the farm to find her. But the rest of the group objects. Too risky. It’s decided they’ll head east.
Before they leave, a zombie approaches and Daryl shoots it with his crossbow. Then they all get in their cars and leave. The camera lingers on the windshield of the car where they left Sophia’s supplies and the message telling her to wait until they found her.
ACT THREE
THE WOODS
Poor Andrea
She runs through the woods, with zombies in the distance. She’s alone.
She stops and checks her ammo. She has three shots left. A single zombie find her and she manages to bash its head against a tree to put it down.
She keeps running. She shoots three zombies down and that’s it. Now she’s running for her life.
THE ROAD
On the road, Rick’s pickup starts to sputter. Car trouble. Oh no.
He’s running out of gas and honks for the other cars to stop. What to do?
Rick decides they’ll camp here, in the middle of nowhere, and in the morning they’ll make a run for some gas. The group doesn’t like the idea of staying here exposed and likely to be found, and Maggie offers to make a run for gas right now, but Rick has just been through an ordeal of uncertainty and doesn’t want to split the group up again. He promises them they’ll find safety, which turns into a fervent promise that they’ll find a permanent place—the place they’ve been looking for all along.
With that decided, they have a moment to catch their breaths. Daryl updates them on Randall, how Randall’s neck was broken and was turned into a zombie without a bite, and he tells everyone his suspicions that Shane killed Randall. Rick says nothing.
So they wonder how Randall could have turned into a zombie sans bite, and finally Rick comes clean: Everyone is already infected!!!!
Sorry. Even if I put it in bold and add exclamation points, it’s really not that shocking. More after the recap…
Anyway, that’s the secret Jenner told him at the CDC. Everyone has Wildfire now. The group is pissed he didn’t say anything, but Rick sticks to his guns. He didn’t think they needed to know…it doesn’t really change anything, and it might have just made everyone despondent.
THE ROAD
Rick walks off to be by himself, but Lori follows. With his back to her, he confesses how he killed Shane. The biggest thing here is, Rick thinks things could have gone differently. He thinks he could have stopped the showdown from happening, (which is debatable), but didn’t because he just wanted the conflict to be over. But even more than that, Rick just hated the tension caused by Shane’s resentment that he came back to life. He finally just had enough.
Lori is horrified.
So…when Rick does something questionable, like risking everyone’s lives to find Sophia, you back him up. But here when Rick was in the right you fall apart on him? Your wife grade is: C-
Even more so when she learns that Carl shot Zombie Shane.
Rick moves to comfort her, but she won’t let him.
ACT FOUR
THE WOODS
Poor, poor Andrea.
The sun is going down. She’s been fighting and running for, what, 24 hours now? Awake for even longer? Gotta be exhausted.
Zombies are still dogging her. She beats down the closest one with the butt of her pistol, bringing it down on its head over and over. The head is squishy like a melon:
This is your last gratuitous gore of the season, friends. Savor it.
She staggers onward, takes out her pocket knife. Two more zombies on her tail. She stabs one in the face with it, but the exertion is so much that she goes down.
The last zombie stands above her. She’s defenseless and her strength is sapped. It lowers in for the kill…
And its head gets fucking sliced off by a fucking katana sword. This person is holding it:
Sword. Slave-zombies. Hood. Keep Georgia weird…
(Fans of the graphic novel will know who this is, but I’ll keep it a secret since the TV show fans don’t find out at this point).
Still: weeeeeeird.
Andrea’s pretty weirded out, too.
CAMPFIRE
Now it’s full on night. Everyone sits by the camp fire. Now that they’ve had some time to reflect on Rick’s lie of omission to them, an uprising is starting to brew.
Carol tries to sway Daryl. She thinks he can do better than to be Rick’s henchman. He tries to defend Rick, but he can’t defend the Wildfire lie.
Maggie is still miffed that they’re staying put right now, sitting ducks for zombies, and she wants to take their chances on the move.
Rick hears all this with clenched teeth.
They hear a rustling off in the woods. Could it be a zombie?
Maggie wants to run off in the darkness to check but Rick doesn’t want anyone to move. When the group starts to protest, finally, he snaps. Two seasons of the burdens of leadership come pouring out of him. He confesses to them that he killed Shane for the sake of the group and they’re stunned, but he maintains his justification.
He keeps raging. He’s sick of everyone questioning him even though he’s kept most of them alive for a good long time. He offers to let anyone leave if they want to. And when there are no takers, he makes the situation clear: they can stay, but this isn’t a democracy. Even Lori and Carl can’t believe there’s a new Rick in town.
The camera pulls away from the group. Off in the distance, a building is visible. It’s a prison.
Readers of the graphic novel will also know what this is. I won’t spoil it.
THE END
-I’m so happy Andrea made it. I had a crush on her when she was on The X-Files and it has stayed strong since.
-On the whole helicopter thing…some of y’all have been posting in the comments about how they might be part of the government’s response to the zombiepocalypse, since they seem like a good tool for zombie herding.
Personally, I think they’re more of a deus ex-ey literary device than anything else. They functioned the same way back in the series premier–when Rick saw/hallucinated the helicopter, he followed it straight into Atlanta and had his first zombie encounter. That directly led to him linking up with Glen and the other survivors. But it all started with the helicopter luring him. And now, the same helicopter lured the horde to the farm to kick off the final battle and force everyone to the next destination.
It’s also shown up in the comments this season that the world of The Walking Dead might be metaphysical and not actually real. I’m inclined to go with that now that we’ve got “mysterious airships” moving everything around.
-Some serendipity: there was a great article in this week’s Straight Dope about whether the military has a manual on how to properly hang people, and in the course of the article, they explored how you actually should hang someone if the need arises. Reading it, I really, really wished Team Rick would have decided to hang Randall when they had the chance. There are so many crazy possibilities!
The thing about hanging is, apparently it’s extremely difficult to do it right. Imagine if TWD did this scene…say Rick fucks up and makes the rope too short and it takes an hour for Randall to suffocate. Or he makes the rope too long and Randall’s head pops off. We think it’s over, AND IT COMES BACK TO LIFE AS A ZOMBIE HEAD!!!!!
Damn them for depriving us of this.
-I will now pat myself on the back for pointing out how stupid it was to imply that Rick would know just how to hang somebody because it’s so easy. I bet nobody in the world has that kind of knowledge any more.
-So, Wildfire. I wrote in the comments last week how I thought Randall and Shane’s reincarnations meant that now everyone had a dormant version of Wildfire and was just waiting to become a zombie, and I guess that turned out to be the case. I’m not even gonna take credit for it since I’m pretty sure that showed up somewhere in the comments at some point over the past two seasons of my recaps.
My question is…is it really that much of a “shocking reveal”? I don’t really see how everyone’s lives are all that different. They were already pretty much screwed anyway–most likely no virus labs around the world are left, so there’s almost no chance Wildfire would ever be cured anyway. Most of the world’s population is probably zombie by now, so there’s no way life was ever gonna go back to normal without a cure.
It’d be like having a terminal leukemia diagnosis and suddenly finding out you also have AIDS. I mean yeah, AIDS is horrific, but you were already a goner. Maybe I’m missing something, though. Thoughts?
(But still, if a TV show had done THAT–let’s say while Scully was fighting cancer they also found out she has, I dunno, smallpox, and they tried to pass that off as an audience-shocker, that’d be pretty much the funniest thing ever).
-On the other hand, I completely shanked it with my prediction that Hershel would die this week. I guess her pregnancy will be 100% complication free. I think people were wondering what would happen with the baby now that she knows she’s a zombie-in-waiting. My prediction: abortion city. Hershel’s fall from grace continues.
That’s all for me this week. Thanks for reading my recaps this season, and for sharing your comments! That’s one of my favorite parts of doing these, seeing everyone’s different takes on the show. I’m most likely going on a TVgasm sabbatical for a little while, but I will be back soon!
Very Truly Brains,
SCOA
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Per The Talking Dead (which had a writer on as a guest this week): the writing was intended to lead us to the belief Herschel would die, because their intent WAS to kill him off. But as they wrote his final scenes in the season 2 finale, they said it didn’t work, and at the last minute (even after telling the actor his character would die,) they changed their collective mind.
So…you were kind of right. Half point awarded
Thanks for an awesome recap and and awesome season, SCOA!
I loved the finale and I can’t wait to the start of season 3. I’m in particular intrigued by the armless zombie slaves. I wonder how is it that the hooded figure “trains” them. Are we going into a zombie universe where walkers have some cognitive ability left? That would be an interesting variation. Some of the later Romero films and some of the Resident Evil films have hinted at this in other ways, but as far as I know, no one has done much with that idea.
All the discussion about Wildfire has made me realize that we might have missed something earlier in the season. Pretty much the reason why we haven’t seen too many humans turn into walkers this season is because each time the get attacked, they pretty much get ripped to shreds by the walkers. Dale was an exception, but they offed him before he came back. The reason why I bring this is up is because of Sophia. Has she come across some walkers while she was out in the woods, chances are that she would just had been ripped to shreds (like the horse on the opening scene). She was a little girl and would have been easily overpowered even by just a one or two walkers. Yet, when we see her comes out of the barn she actually looked pretty intact. My guess (an the larger tragedy behind Sophia) is that she probably died of exposure, reanimated and then was found by Otis.
What do you guys think?
Great recap!!!! You’ll be back for season 3, right?!?!
I think the helicopter is real and not an illusion. I can’t even let my brain think that they are all already dead and this is some type of dream/alternate reality…LOST totally ruined that for me and if I think about it too hard, my head will explode.
Ugh. I was glad that Andrea lived, even though I don’t like her. I think my hate for Lori/Carl is taking over my dislike for A.
I am glad that the writers finally confirmed What Jenner told Rick. If it would’ve been revealed earlier in the season, I would’ve been more surprised, but I really liked this episode and I understand why it was written this was.
I love the new take charge Rick. Sexyyyyyyyy.
I like your Sophia theory, Jimmy. I wonder if we will ever find out what really happened to her…
Great job on the entire season! Your picture captions especially have me laughing every time.
I might be in the minority here, but I think Rick makes a horrible leader. He’s been way too hesitant to accept the fact the world has changed, and he and useless-ass Lori continue to try to shelter Carl, while simultaneously neglecting him, allowing him to wander around the woods unarmed. Carl’s dumb ass has been the catalyst for more than one zombie attack, and they won’t even teach him to shoot (not that this lack of knowledge stops him from landing a dead-on shot between Shane’s eyeballs. Which was bullshit).
I wouldn’t say the Wildfire reveal was a big shock to the audience, but I do think it’ll create a breach of trust within the group, and Rick will have an even harder time keeping order. And since I haven’t read the comics, I can only assume that the prison is bad news. Is that where Randall and the rest of his “camp” came from?
I’m also amazed that T-Dog lives. I fully expected him to go the way of Jimmy and the other superfluous cast members.
I agree completely about Rick. Or, as we call him around here, Thick because he is so effing dense sometimes. And the constant “Where’s Carl?!”ing is so, so, so annoying. It beggars belief that Carl hasn’t been zombified yet.
I agree that Rick has been hesitant, but if if it was real life, wouldn’t you be hesitant to believe the world is over run by zombies? I don’t think a zombie apocolypse will ever happen, BUT if it did, I mean, fuck. Rick finally came around to reality, IMO. He stopped sugar coating things w/ Carl. I really liked the scene in the previous episode where Rick told Carl it was time to grow up and he was sorry that he wouldn’t have a carefree childhood like he did. Also, I blame Lori for the lack of Carl care. Rick is always out protecting the group, while Lori stays at the farm. That kid needs one of those backpack leashes.
But I completely agree w/ the whole Carl perfectly shot Shane in the head thing. WTH???? Maybe once or twice they alluded to the fact Carl needed to learn how to shoot a gun, and they FINALLY gave him one in the last episode, but there is no way he could have such a dead on shot. Even if his dad is a major bad ass.
Wait, I thought they did agree to teach Carl to shoot a gun? According to the internets, this happened in the episode “Secrets.” And I can stretch my belief to think they continued to teach him after that episode. But, even with that being true, it is definitely a bit much that he would be able to shoot so precisely, and from that distance.
I still really like Rick. I hate the whole “EVERYONE will be rapists and murderers and become primally evil in the apocalypse” idea (especially because then those people start to feel more like video game characters than actual people), so I appreciate that Rick tries to actually think about things and do the right thing, even if it doesn’t always necessarily turn out well. Even though I hope he doesn’t just turn into Shane now, I appreciate that he finally stepped up to the group and told them that if they want him to lead, they have to accept him as leader. Though I think it could be really cool to see Daryl as leader.
But no argument from me on how ridiculous Rick and Lori are as parents. Lori always wants to shelter Carl from everything, but then she never seems to be able to know where he is, and they both seem to just let him wander wherever the eff like it’s no big deal, which is crazy.
I had read in an interview with one of the writers that the purpose of the beginning on the finale was to show zombie-habits – the helicopter was right after the city was overtaken, but zombies heard the sound & started following it, then other zombies “mimic” it – that’s how they get to be in herds, just traveling in a direction until they hear a new sounds & they shift. Pretty interesting!
I think it’s neat that lady was traveling with armless, jawless zombies. She’d be able to walk around the zombies undetected I bet! Will we actually get to see a character that’s adapted to the “new world” instead of just trying to survive?
Excited for the prison – & the new characters we’ll meet next season in it. At least they’ll be able to get more ammo there!
Might be considered potential spoilers…? Season 3 teasers (article)
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1681293/walking-dead-season-3.jhtml
Y’all, it’s a long time until October
They did teach Carl to shoot. He was out there plugging away at the firing range along with everyone else in the episode you’re referring to. But look, if people could become such awesome shots in two weeks of training we wouldn’t need standing armies, would we? I can buy (if I have to) that Andrea was a “natural,” as Shane said, but not that ALL of the characters are!
The problem with Rick and Lori’s parenting is a writing problem. They apparently don’t have the budget to show us half the characters half the time, so I guess it makes sense that they can’t show us any day-to-day interaction between Carl and Lori. So all we see is him constantly running off which makes Lori look totally disingenuous when she freaks out about it. And that’s the problem with plot holes in general — viewers need to be able at times whether characters’ inconsistencies are intentional or not. These poor writers seem to be flying by the seats of their pants (deciding not to kill Herschel at the last minute being an example) and then have to cover their asses by having the characters make speeches that explain their actions. I think the writers have decided to make Rick into a bad guy for a while and they had to give him a last-minute motivation for becoming one. The writers can SAY that Lori was “mad at herself” when Rick told her about killing Shane but she sure as hell didn’t act like it! Just like Carl sure as hell didn’t look like he was pointing his gun at anyone but Rick. It’s not fair to constantly show us one thing and tell us something else.
There’s an unwritten law that there will no television show will ever have an abortion on it, so that option is out. Our only hope is that she miscarries. And then we get the treat of the fetus turning into a zombie. Which would be very cool. But I guarantee you the writers/show will never have the balls for that.
My guess was the helicopter was the same helicopter from the very beginning of the show — it was a flashback to show how the zombie herd formed and why it moved toward the farm. It’s definitely plausible that it could have taken the herd a week or two before reaching the farm.
In fact, it’s a pretty cool idea — and a way to defeat the zombie herd: just Pied Piper them into a killing zone of some sorts. Plague ended.
Sure, people still have to live with the idea of turning into zombies when they die, but what’s the big deal? Just put into place some sort of protocol to make sure the new zombies get a hole in the head. People have been dreaming for centuries of a life after death, so they ought to be happy, right?
I hope the show doesn’t go metaphysical. That will suck. The whole power of a post-apocalyptic situation is precisely that it is supposed to be real.
Now I will be racking my brain to think of a show where a chick had an abortion. I am 99% sure South Park did it, but what envelope haven’t they pushed????
Grey’s Anatomy. Christina was going to in season one, ended up miscarrying, and then she did have an abortion in this season’s premiere.
Also, on The Real World, Tami, had an abortion while she was living in the house.
And Becky on Friday Night Lights.
I’m done.
I think the idea of Lori being like eaten alive by her unborn baby is kind of awesome, but I’m not sure I think they would actually go there. Thus, I’m not sure how they could perform an abortion. I mean, if Lori has the virus, then the baby surely does too, so how they can justify killing it if it’s possible it will then go all zombie fetus? Though, I guess technically if it’s early enough in the pregnancy the baby doesn’t really have fingernails or teeth or a brain or anything so maybe it wouldn’t/couldn’t? Though apparently the writers don’t understand how birth control works so who knows what they think about fetuses. This is making my brain hurt.
No I agree, that shot was pretty ridiculous for him to have made. I just meant he at least had some gun training. And yeah, there does seem to be some post hoc explaining going on that makes me feel like the writers just didn’t think of that when they wrote it, which is a little frustrating. Though I will say changing things at the last minute doesn’t bother me that much, because it is what it is. As long as it mostly makes sense. Which I guess is debatable…..
Just last season Joan had an abortion on Mad Men! (Although some think she may not have). And Claire had one on Six Feet Under. I think it may not have been done before Six Feet Under, though, because Alan Ball said he was sick of tv shows shying away from it.
Good point about Sophia…makes sense. (Altho’ does any of this make sense, really?!)
And don’t forget soap operas. Before they went “modern” all the women had very convenient miscarriages. But they’ve all done “very special story lines” about some character having an abortion, often times after being raped…that is before most of them got cancelled.
I’m one of the people who thought that the prison was a Super Wal-Mart.
Well, that isn’t true. There have been abortions on Young and the Restless, All My Children, General Hospital, and Grey’s Anatomy, just to name four shows. I’m betting there are others.
And none of them were for medical reasons
Yes…Christina, who is supposed to be the most brilliant doctor has managed not one, but two unintended pregnancies. Idiot.
Don’t get me wrong, Lori is awful and getting eaten fr. the inside out by her fetus would be awesome but wouldn’t Lori’s baby just be born with the wildfire gene? Why would the baby be a zombie? If she miscarried, then I feel like the baby could eat her insides because it would be dead…
Actually the ones on Y&R, AMC, and GH were not pregnancies from rape, and all the abortions were solely for choice.
Getting pregnant unintentionally, while often the result of stupid choices/poor planning/sheer ignorance/what-have-you, can happen to the best and brightest of us. I got pregnant while on birth control. Which I was taking correctly. It happens.
Check out the 2004 remake of Dawn of the Dead. The scene with the infected pregnant woman that goes to go into labor. Overall, it wasn’t as good as the original, but that seen was super disturbing.
Before this last episode I wasn’t hating Lori as much as some of you, but now I’m on board. I think that poetic justice would be for Carl to run off somewhere, get killed, come back and eat Lori, forcing Rick to kill him. That should be a good way for Rick to get the message.
I also agree with Itchy and the other about how everyone seems to be such a good shot. It is bad enough when Glen seemed to get everyone he aimed at from a moving care. It was way worse when Carl got Shane on his first try with a gun….maybe he was aiming for Rick.
Don’t forget Maude and China Beach (neither for medical reasons/rape).
That said, I hate Lori and any death would be a good one for her.
I also cannot stand Carol. What was with her trying to goad Darryl into leaving the group? She was so manipulative. For a woman who was beat on the regular, she certainly didn’t have a problem trying to ‘unman’ Daryl by her ‘henchman’ comment. (0r did she call him a toady? a lackey? Basically she called him Ricks Bitch) I hope our favorite redneck cuts this kook loose next season.
I wonder if an idea will come up where they think that Lori’s baby may have the cure (or his/her blood can be used to make the cure). I don’t think it’s possible in real life, but this IS the Walking Dead, haha. I think the fetus eating from the inside out would be way cooler, though. I’m so excited for season 3! I may need to go buy the graphic novels, now.
What annoys me with her is she has always been adamant about never wanting children. Both times she’s been pregnant, she has wanted an abortion. If she REALLY doesn’t want kids, why doesn’t she do something about it…because, yes, accidents happens.
I totally see your point. I’m guessing that the writers don’t want to completely eliminate future plot points?
Also, in the real world, I had a friend years ago who absolutely knew that she never, ever, EVER wanted to have kids. She couldn’t find a doctor who would do it until she was over 35, or had had at least one child. “So you’re saying that you’d rather have me get an abortion if I get pregnant than give me a tubal ligation that I absolutely want and will sign any consent forms that you ask for to cover your butts?” she asked. “You might change your mind,” she was told. She ended up with an ectopic pregnancy, blew out one fallopian tube completely, and after that awesome experience she was finally able to get a doctor to do the other one. So much for freedom of choice.
Oh good God, how could we all forget MAUDE? The episode that shocked the world! Good catch. And I totally agree about Carol. I was going to bring it up but realized how negative I’m being and decided to shut up.
I think Lori’s baby will come out a baby zombie that looks like Shane and Rick will shoot it in the head!!
Anyone else notice Rick’s breathing at the end sounded zombie-esque? Shane-like? Just throwing it out there.
I love that movie! Lol just had to say that. And that scene is awesomely disturbing.
I totally noticed that Rick’s accent went all hick-like, a la Shane. And I was not happy about that.
I can also attest to this. One of my friends also never ever wants to have children but she can’t find a doctor who will let her get her tubes tied until she is 35, because of the same “but you might change your mind” rhetoric. Also, I’m sorry to hear about your friend, SuburBint!
Or, in a TWD equivalent of a crack baby, he would be born alive but still crave to eat brains.
I didn’t sleep for a week. I saw that movie late at night, by myself, when I was living in an apartment with boarded up windows in New Orleans a few months after Hurricane Katrina.
Talk about a place that resembled a post apocalyptic world. Everything was closed, huge chunks of the city did not have electricity or running water, abandoned cars, refrigerators with their doors duck taped together and filled with rotting food on the sidewalks, and armed military and Black Water personnel patrolling the streets in humvees.
Hey guys. Just wanted to say, I don’t actually think they’re gonna have Lori get an abortion next season. You can’t do that on TV.
But I promise you this: when I get to write my own show, we will have one in the pilot.
The working title is “The Rick Santorum Show”.
Well, shows you what I know, eh? Shame on me for moving overseas!
Now, everytime I come back, things have changed, flags are flapping all over the place, the people are fatter, and everyone’s getting abortions. Well. Not for long, right Ricky?
Sounds like a great pilot! Will the abortion be performed in the back room of an animal shelter by an pornography loving vet that is married to his dog?
JimmyT, I think I love you.
If the fetus turned into a zombie how would it kill her having no teeth or nails? Although it’s an awesome concept. Maybe it could still burst out of her stomach like Alien.
Woof, woof!
babies in the womb DO have nails…and those little suckers are sharp.
Oh, I guess I was thinking beginning stages – isn’t it uncommon to miscarry that far along where the baby has fingernails?
Babies have fingernails around 12 weeks.
Well, that sounds like an awful experience, I’m sorry! I had a semi-similar experience with the Royal Tannenbaums…..
THANK YOU ITCHY for having the exact thought I did!!! Of course this was the helicopter from the premiere!!! It took them all that time to get to the farm.
My guess was the helicopter was the same helicopter from the very beginning of the show — it was a flashback to show how the zombie herd formed and why it moved toward the farm. It’s definitely plausible that it could have taken the herd a week or two before reaching the farm.
Yes. It was the horse from the first ep that they were eating.
Sophia had a big bite on the side of her neck. You can see it during the barn scene, and they also talked about it on the Talking Dead. So I guess maybe she was bitten then ran off?
Your posting the military guidelines on hanging reminded me of a question I had re: Season 1, I think. Anyone remember when two of the survivors ran across a zombie that was hanging from a noose in a tree? At the time, I was like WTF? How did someone hang themself and THEN become a zombie? Now we know about the infection…I guess my question was did anyone else take that scene this way?
The zombies had also gnawed all the flesh off the guy’s legs.
Well….there’s a sentence you don’t see very often.
So I finally “read” the first Walking Dead volume. It’s interesting the series doesn’t follow the book too closely. The end of Book 1 is, of course, much different from the series.
Not sure how I feel about the book. I’m not much of a comics guy. And it’s hard to get into a story that takes all of 15 minutes to read.
Is no one else in love with Daryl like I am? I want to climb on the back of that motorcycle and ride off in to the sunset with him and his crossbow.
I thought they were eating a deer??
Well, that would make sense considering how deer-infested we are in Georgia, but I think it was the horse.
I’m right there with you…
That guy was bitten – he had the sign “Got bit, world took a shit, etc etc” – but because he didn’t shoot himself & only hung himself, when he died he reanimated because of the bite. I had to think about that one as well.
**shoot himself in the head
I know about the abortion on Grey’s but what one happened on y/r?
You are you bad!
Got to love (!) that Rickie S! What a complete nutcase/loser. Go away already.
Me too, please. Not my usual type, but absolutely the perfect hot guy for the zombiepocalypse.
Well if Laurie has a stillborn I guess it will turn into a zombie and eat her from the inside out……..
My husband found that really funny for some disturbing reason.
I am with you. I don’t think the Wildfire thing changed much in the scheme of things. It is good to know because if say Hershel drops dead of a heart attack they know that he will change and they can be prepared for that. Other than that, so what?! Doesn’t change anything.
Zombie samurai looks cool as all hell. Reminds me of a character in World War Z kinda. The guy with the shaolin spear that lived all out in the woods by himself being a badass.
I loved this episode! Hershel’s last stand is what the title should be.
My husband and I were like “How come they did not do more to prepare for a large herd!?” What about a ditch with pikes for the zombies to fall into? For pikes around the fence? Better fencing? They had plenty of time to do this stuff! Amateurs. Also should have an evacuation plan like have vehicles ready to go with supplies, gased up, extra gas, etc and each team has their vehicle assignment. A meeting place. Etc.
Oh I am with you. I was Team Shane for a lot of the conflicts. Now I am Team Daryl. He is by far the most useful and awesome dude on the show.
Also if Carl was my son or I had a kid in this situation, Free range parenting has to stop. Sure you can let kids wander about in the real world and its good for them. NOT IN THE ZOMBIE WORLD!!!
I would demand Carl always be with an adult and I would probably tie a damn rope around our waists and he can only be 20 feet from me at any given time. I don’t take chances.
because doctors won’t tie tubes of women till you are a certain age or have had like 2 or more kids. Not to turn this into some big debate but that is the fact of it in real life. I know women who beg for tube tying and doctors will refuse them because of their age, the marital status or their lack of kids or number of kids. I am sure if she could get a tube tying she would.
I am.
I knew a woman who had a baby and is almost killed her. Like the doctors said “You can never have another child or you will die.” So she asked for her tubes to be tied and they said “No.” Because she was still in her 20s and they want to wait till 35 or some bullshit. Makes so much sense…….