Hello, TWD fans, and welcome to yer full recap of s2e12, “Better Angels”. I have no idea what a Better Angel is or what they were trying to say with that title, but it does amuse me because it implies there are differences in angel quality. We all want a good guardian angel, but what if you got a shitty one? No fun.
Anyway, last week on the show, one of our most beloved characters died: Dale, the avuncular, jolly, kind-hearted old soul who loved the children and provided fun little home-spun pieces of wisdom to the troubled young people.

He was none of those things, but in death we tend to romanticize things. I’m no different
Also, he had a hilarious rant about how much he hates Autotune.
But really, like Simon from Lord of the Flies, and like a lot of other characters I’m sure exist in literature, Dale was the superego of the group, so his death means nobody is left to challenge Shane the Id. Now Rick will have to fend for himself.
And the flashpoint is the Randall situation. Last week, the group debated what to do with their prisoner Randall: do they execute him, which would be a very mean thing to do, or, do they let him go and risk Randall finding his group of violent marauders and bringing him back to rape and pillage? Like you’d think, Shane was firmly in the “kill him” camp, Dale was in the “let him live” camp, and Rick was caught in the middle. Let’s see how things play out…
COLD OPEN
THE CEMETERY
We open this week in the tiny cemetery on Hershel’s property that’s been steadily growing this season, where everyone is laying Dale to rest. Rick gives a eulogy. Last week, Dale warned everyone the group was “broken” because they were letting fear dictate their decisions. And now, Rick tells them, the way to honor Dale is to live the way he thought they all should: like good guys.
So there’s Rick’s side of the debate. Shane stands in the crowd and says nothing but we know that won’t be the last of it.
Intercut with this is a slow-motion sequence of Shane, Andrea, Daryl, and T-Dog hunting down some zombies elsewhere on the farm. Andrea stabs one of them in the head with a pitch fork.
ACT ONE
TEAM RICK’S CAMPSITE
Then it’s back to reality. The group has lots of things to do. Last week Lori and Rick discussed how Team Rick would survive the winter—right now they’re sleeping outside and Lori was worrying about the coming cold. Since then, they’ve gotten Hershel to agree to let them stay in the house with his family, and right now they’re beginning to move all their things inside.
Rick goes over the day’s tasks. In addition to moving their crap, they will also be making the farm a little safer…they will build two lookout posts high off the ground, one on the roof of the shed (where Randall is being held) and the other on the windmill. Everyone accepts Rick’s leadership.
…Except Shane. While everyone is busy on the farm, Rick and Daryl will be driving Randall out to the middle of nowhere to release him far away from the farm. Like they tried before. Shane points out how they tried this before and failed, but Rick tells him to shut up. It looks like Shane is gonna go along with it, for now…
FARM
After that, Rick and Hershel walk towards the house and Hershel reminds Rick that Shane has to be on his best behavior. Rick agrees. He asks Andrea to “look after” Shane while he and Daryl are gone. She bristles (is it because she partly agrees with Shane’s philosophies? Or just because she hates taking orders from Rick? I don’t know) but eventually agrees.
WOOD PILE
Shane is gathering pieces of wood to build that platform for the windmill, when Carl approaches.
He asks Shane if he can keep a secret from Rick and Lori. Even Shane knows better than to promise THAT. (Imagine if Shane was secretly trying to influence Carl behind Rick and Lori’s back. Even Rick would shoot him for that one).
Carl tells him anyway. He takes out the gun he stole from Daryl’s campsite last week and hands it over to Shane, asking him to give it back to Daryl for him so he won’t get in trouble for it.

One point of contention: when Carl almost got eaten last week, he dropped the gun in the swamp. So he went back into the swamp to get it?
Oh, and also, Carl kinda had a hand in Dale’s death. He tells Shane about running into the Ginger Zombie in the swamp and failing to shoot it. If he had, Dale would still be alive.

I don’t think Shane’s gonna fault you for killing Dale, Carl. The opposite, in fact
Carl is right, but Shane still tells him not to blame himself. If there’s one thing we’ve learned from this show, it’s that practically anything you do has terrible consequences, no matter what it is.
Carl feels so horrified he doesn’t want to touch a gun ever again, but Shane hands him the gun back anyway. It’s the zombiepocalypse, and there’s no time to be a little kid about it. But Carl doesn’t take it and runs off.
SHED
Daryl is on top of the shed fixing up the roof to make it into a lookout post. Inside, Randall struggles against his handcuffs. And, ew:

I wonder if these are the same handcuffs they used on Merle. If so, Randall, you now have the clap
THE HOUSE
On to happier matters. Enjoy, because this is pretty much the last light moment of the episode and we’re not even out of the first act yet.
Everyone is moving their crap into the house and Maggie offers to let Glen stay in her bedroom.
And the dolt turns her down!

Hmmm. Do I sleep on a bed in a private room next to an attractive young woman, or do I sleep on the floor in a crowded living room next to Daryl’s squirrel farts? Such a tough choice!
OUTSIDE THE HOUSE
Outside some saner stuff is going on. T-Dog notices Lori carrying a heavy container and quickly takes it so she won’t strain herself. This is all to remind us that Lori is P-R-E-G-N-A-N-T.
Then, Hershel offers to let Lori, Rick, and Carl stay in his bedroom. He can’t sleep alone in a bed in good conscience while a pregnant woman and a little kid sleep on the floor in the next room. Instead Hershel will be sleeping on a couch in the living room, and he fills her in on his and the couch’s history…back when he was a drunk, his wife used to make him sleep off his benders on that couch, so he knows it well.
(It’s actually pretty touching in an odd way. I really liked that scene.)
WINDMILL
Later, Lori sees Shane up on the windmill building a platform. He’s high off the ground and has no help, so he could easily lose his balance and fall. She asks him to come down. When he sees that she seems to be genuinely concerned for his safety, he does.
Lori does something interesting here, and I’m only partly sure I’ve figured out why she does it. Pretty much since Rick came back, Lori has told Shane unambiguously that their affair is over. She hasn’t given him one signal otherwise, and she’s mostly given him the cold shoulder, and she’s never let him tell her how he feels about the whole situation. She hasn’t wanted him to have ANY hope.
But here, she changes things up. She explains that Dale’s death has really upset her, and she wants everyone in the group to live in harmony. She knows she’s the cause of most of the group’s discord because she puts Rick and Shane at odds. Giving Shane the cold shoulder has sent the message she wanted it to, but it also pissed him off. So instead, she decides to apologize to Shane for the ridiculously unfair hand life has dealt him. Maybe that will be the first step in Shane’s redemption.
Or, maybe it will backfire, rekindle Shane’s hope that he and Lori might be together, and prompt him to do something drastic.
Which one do you think it’ll be? (Hint: the fun one).
ACT TWO
THE HOUSE
On the porch, Rick and Daryl are going over their plan to release Randall. Pretty simple: drive like an hour away, turn him loose with a few supplies, back before nightfall.
Shane approaches. He tells Rick that he needs to have a discussion with Carl. Rick says he’ll do that once he gets back from ditching Randall, but Shane insists. Rick has to speak with Carl RIGHT THE FUCK NOW.
Now, we know what Rick has to talk with Carl about: being upset about Dale. Rick could easily put it off a couple hours and everything would be fine. So it’s pretty clear Shane is amping up the urgency, and thus delaying Rick’s departure. Uh-oh.
THE RV
This is a little, real scene. Glen and Andrea are moving the RV to a new spot now that the campsite has been vacated, and sure enough, the RV stalls. Glen remembers a technique Dale taught him to get the RV started, and the memory causes Glen and Andrea to tear up.
THE BARN
Back to Rick. He finds Carl sitting up in the hayloft in the barn. Shane has filled him in on what’s eating his son, so he’s come to try to ease his son’s guilt.
Rick admits he’s not very good with words, like his own father was. He tries to tell Carl that Dale’s death wasn’t his fault, but he can’t come up with a compelling argument and it doesn’t look like Carl buys it.
His other reason for coming to the barn was to get Carl to take the gun back. The group needs everyone, even the kids, to be prepared for action. This is a totally heartbreaking moment…Rick is someone who grew up with a normal childhood, and here he is forcing his son to grow up early out of necessity. Maybe it’s the distress on Rick’s face that changes Carl’s mind. He accepts the gun.
ACT THREE
THE SHED
Back to Shane. With Rick off dealing with his son, Shane has a narrow window to handle the Randall problem his way.
Clearly Shane doesn’t have a plan, because the first thing he does is pull out his pistol and debate whether he should just shoot Randall right now.
Sure, he COULD just shoot Randall right here, but that’s the sort of thing that’d upset the rest of the group. If you thought being proactive with the barn full of zombies was bad, Shane shooting Randall would pretty much destroy the group.
I wouldn’t say he goes with Plan B, because he had no Plan A to begin with. Instead he comes up with a plan on the spot. He notices the lacerations on Randall’s and has an idea…
THE DRIVEWAY
A few moments later, now that Rick has finished dealing with Carl, it’s time for him and Daryl to take Randall away. T-Dog goes to the shed, unlocks it, and yes, Randall is gone. All that’s left is the handcuffs. Randall must have slipped them.
I’ll say that again: Shane replaced the lock on the shed door. Because nothing says “escaped prisoner” like the holding cell showing no signs of an escape.

“Randall escaped! And…replaced the lock on the door before he fled! Because, um, he didn’t want us to get chipmunks. You never want chipmunks!”
So this is Hole #1 in the story Shane is about to tell the rest of the group. You’d think Shane would be a better criminal, being that he used to be a cop and all.
THE WOODS
Meanwhile, Shane is leading a still-blindfolded Randall through the woods. Once he reaches a suitable distance away from the farm, he takes off the blindfold and the duct tape on Randall’s lips.
Randall is understandably bewildered—in the past 12 hours he has been brought to the barn to be killed only to have Rick grant him a last-minute stay of execution, and they haven’t told him anything since, so his first assumption is that Shane has brought him out to the woods to kill him. (Which happens to be correct).
Shane tells him otherwise, though. He tells Randall that he’s sick of Team Rick and wants to join Randall’s group of armed marauders. Randall has always denied knowing anything about his old comrades, but now that he sees light at the end of the tunnel, he tells Shane everything: the marauders have a camp about 5 miles away and are most likely still in the area.
Idiot. The one thing keeping Randall alive was the ambiguity over whether he’s a threat to the group. That’s gone now, and Shane snaps the poor bastard’s neck.
But remember, Shane can’t appear to be the cold-blooded murderer that he is because that would sour the rest of the group. After killing Randall, he slams his face into a tree, breaking his nose. He’ll explain why in the next scene…
THE SHED
T-Dog has told the rest of the group that Randall is missing. Right now they don’t know Shane is engineering a scheme, so they think Randall actually escaped and is probably on his way back to his group. It’s an emergency.
Shane returns to the farm at this point and sees Rick organizing a manhunt to capture Randall before that happens. Shane hides his gun in the underbrush and then announces his presence to the group.
Here’s what he tells them: Randall somehow slipped out of his cuffs AND snuck out of the shed through an opening other than the door. (Shane has no idea how). Next Randall punched Shane in the face, breaking his nose, and then took Shane’s gun. Now Randall is running off through the woods.
Right off the bat the story is incredible. Daryl points out that the 125 lb, malnourished, exhausted, wounded Randall would probably never take down Shane in a million years. Daryl was also fixing the shed all day and is pretty sure there are no spots Randall could have slipped through.
But the one part of the story that IS true is, Randall isn’t here, and they have to find him whether Shane is bullshitting or not. Rick takes Daryl, Glen, and Shane into the woods to do just that.
ACT FOUR
THE WOODS
The four guys decide to split up, Glen and Daryl going one way and Rick and Shane going another.
Since Shane knows what really happened to Randall, he has to pretend-search while really luring Rick away to a secluded spot. Rick could be in peril, but he seems pretty aware of what’s really going on. He asks Shane if his nose is really broken, which Shane deflects, and later, Rick stops dead in his tracks behind Shane and stares right at him, saying nothing.
ELSEWHERE IN THE WOODS
But even though Rick and Shane know what’s really going on, Glen and Daryl, unfortunately, have no idea and still think they have to find Randall. So they’re somewhere else in the woods, and it’s now dark. It’s maybe the most dangerous place available to them.
Daryl uses his tracking superpowers to locate the spot where Shane killed Randall. He finds more and more clues that contradict Shane’s story: two sets of footprints (didn’t Shane say Randall overpowered him at the farm?), blood on a tree (from Shane’s broken nose), signs of a struggle, etc. Strangely, though…no body.
Because Randall is a zombie!
Glen puts a machete through Zombie Randall’s head and they examine the body. Sure, it could just be that Randall really did escape the farm and happened to run into a zombie and get bitten. There are zombies all over these woods. But Daryl notices something even more suspicious: there are no bites on Zombie Randall’s body. It died of a broken neck.
Now I’M confused. I know how Randall really died, but…how the eff did he become a zombie?
ACT FIVE
A FIELD
Rick and Shane reach that secluded spot I was talking about. It’s a field somewhere.
Rick’s had enough with the charade and calls Shane on his BS. He knows full well Shane killed Randall and lured Rick here to kill him, too. In lieu of a response, Shane raises his gun at Rick’s back.
Rick appears to be cornered. He actually holsters his revolver and tries to talk his way out of this. First, he warns Shane that if he returns to the farm without Rick, everyone will know what happened.
Shane already has a story cooked up for that moment, and we finally learn what his plan really is: he shoots Rick, he tells the rest of the group that Randall pulled the trigger, and then he tells them he caught Randall and snapped the his neck. (Of course, Shane has no idea Daryl and Glen have already found Zombie Randall, so the plan is fucked, but he doesn’t know that).
Then Rick appeals to Shane’s values—which might sound futile, but Shane is Rick’s best friend. Rick knows Shane will never be truly happy with stealing another man’s wife and child.
It looks like Rick’s words kinda might be hitting their mark. Shane appears to soften a bit. But then he tries to shift the blame over to Rick: like he’s always said, Rick is an incapable husband and father because he can’t protect them in the zombiepocalypse. So, you know, by murdering Rick, he’s actually PROTECTING Lori, Carl, and the fetus.
But there’s still that tricky matter of pulling the trigger on Rick when Rick won’t even try to return fire. Shane can’t quite do it. Rick pushes him. He actually takes out his revolver and approaches Shane to hand it to him. Rick places the gun in Shane’s hand. Now Rick is literally defenseless.
EXCEPT FOR THE FUCKING KNIFE HE WHIPS OUT AND JAMS IN SHANE’S HEART!

That shot looks like they’re doin’ it
So I guess that settles the question of whether Rick’s got any sack.
Still, he’s not happy he has to kill his best friend and he howls out in anguish. Before Shane dies, Rick tells him his death is his own fault. He made Rick do this to him.
There’s one last thing to deal with. Right at this moment, Carl finds Rick kneeling over Shane’s body. (I won’t say anything about how insane it is Carl was allowed to leave the house at night, or how unbelievable he’d find this exact field at this exact moment).
Carl seems to think Rick has murdered Shane. The kid’s pretty confused. He raises his gun, the same gun Rick made him carry earlier, and points it at his Dad. Rick pleads with Carl to stop and think for a second.
But behind Rick, Shane…gets…up.
He’s a fucking zombie now, too.
Carl pulls the trigger and puts one right between Zombie Shane’s eyes.
So Carl has become a man. We know he can kill a zombie now.
Still, we have a couple problems: now we KNOW Shane never got a zombie bite, so why did HE come back as one, too? This is a pretty disturbing pattern.
Oh, and also, the gunshot has attracted a whole damn horde that is now emerging from the woods and nearing Rick and Carl’s position.
THE END
There’s a lot of shit to talk about this week…
-Even though I made fun of the shoddiness of Shane’s plan, I admit I don’t actually think he intended to get away with killing Randall. I’m pretty sure the whole thing was orchestrated just to get Rick away from everyone else so he could kill him. One reason is that lock on the shed door…even an amateur criminal would know to make it look like Randall escaped and wouldn’t leave that lock on there. My guess is, Shane knew that the alternative, leaving the door wide open, would have gotten him caught sooner.
-In the cold open, when Shane, Andrea, T-Dog and Glen went to kill those zombies, I noticed Shane had to cut through a fence to get to them…which got me to thinking, why haven’t they been building a fence around the house this season? You could scrounge up enough materials to build a tiny one just to keep the zombies off your porch and in your gunsights. I feel like that’s the first thing I woulda done.
-Now, Wildfire. We know Shane and Randall both became zombies without being bitten. A couple episodes ago, Rick and Shane found dead zombie bodies with no bite marks on them. That means people can get Wildfire without direct zombie contact.
Some of you have already commented that Wildfire is probably airborne and can be contracted from breathing. That sounds right to me. But I’ll go you one further: I think that now, everybody has a dormant version of Wildfire—that is, every survivor in the United States and probably the world. Which means, whenever someone dies of non-zombie-related causes, they turn into one anyway.
If that’s true, I don’t think this is the secret Jenner told Rick at the end of Season One. This new dormant version could only have come around in the last few days. If it had been around longer, Dave and Tony would have come back to zombie-life in the bar when Rick, Hershel, and Glen were still in it.
I also don’t think Jenner told Rick about Lori’s pregnancy. I think we still don’t know what Jenner told him. (Or maybe you do, but I don’t)
-Back to Shane. I thought he got a proper sendoff this episode. If you’re on a zombie show, your character should totally get killed off by becoming a zombie. But I also liked how they handled the first act, giving him one-on-one scenes with both Carl and Lori. To me, these scenes summed up the relationships he had with both of them. With Carl he was the father-ish figure who wanted to be more but never could, and with Lori he was the unrequited lover. Both scenes were bittersweet. They were equally about the real love I believe he had for both of them, along with the frustration that he’ll never really get to be with them.
-I also found myself really sympathizing with Shane this week, especially after the final confrontation when he expressed just how frustrated he’s been. Not only is life unfair to him, it’s cruel, because he actually GOT what he’s always wanted (Lori), only to have it taken away from him a few weeks later. That would fuck with my head.
-I’m looking forward to next week. I’m hoping for 45 minutes of a zombie siege at Hershel’s house. Every good zombie movie has to have a zombie siege. (Side note: maybe this is because I love siege movies like Assault on Precinct 13).
-But, now that Shane is dead, do you think they have enough drama to sustain the show? The whole show to this point has been about the love triangle and Rick’s struggle to lead the group. Now that Shane’s gone, no love triangle, and nobody to challenge his authority. I do think they killed Shane at the right time because I would have gotten sick of the love triangle eventually, but now that they have, what do you think the show will be about?
I’m guessing Lori’s pregnancy will be the driving force next season. Which means Hershel has to be doomed. If you keep Hershel alive, Lori has an easy pregnancy and there’s no drama. I’m predicting Hershel doesn’t make it out of zombie invasion alive next week.
Off that, I’m guessing next season will be all about finding a doctor or some other form of medical attention for Lori. And I’m guessing that by now, other survivors have begun to hoard valuable resources like doctors, which would mean Team Rick might have to make some compromises to get what they need.
That might mean Rick becomes the driving force of the show in a new way. So far he’s been the high-minded one, but I could totally see him compromising his principles for Lori and Carl’s sake. He already kind of has…even though he was justified in killing Shane, I’m feeling a slippery slope situation. Do you think Rick will turn into Season 4 Walter White?
If they don’t do any of those things, I guess the only other option is to start developing T-Dog as a character.
Ha! Yeah right.
See you next week for the season finale!
Brains,
SCOA
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Considering that the true drama of any self-respecting zombie apocalypse story is whether the protagonists can survive against the zombie horde, I’d say this show might just get better now that they’ve finally eliminated this annoying Rick v. Shane storyline.
Maybe now we’ll finally get to see more surviving and less yakking? Considering they’ve also eliminated Dale… even though he was the character I most identified with, he got pretty annoying.
I hope Lori and Carl get it next. Child actors suck. And the Lori character is a prissy whiny thing. I much prefer the Andrea character.
Also, the idea that everyone is already infected with Wildfire is a pretty cool one. Except, as you pointed out, then people should have been coming back from the dead all along. So they’re going to have dig hard to find a reasonably plausible explanation.
And as for Glen turning down the hot farmer’s daughter’s warm bed: yeah, right.
Great recap as always! I love your theory about wildfire … and to some degree I believe in it as well. I also tend to think that the virus is airborn and everyone has the virus and when they die they come back as a zombie. The exception I can see if is someone dies from some kind of head trauma … just like they only way they can kill the zombie is with some sort of trauma to the head. If I remember right … those two guys in the bar were shot in the head, hence why they never came back as a zombie. Just my thoughts on wildfire. Hopefully it will be explained soon because my mind likes to think of all sorts of conspiracy theories.
Last thought I had was regarding Lori’s baby. Let’s assume wildfire is airborn and everyone has the virus, what would have if Lori had a miscarriage? Would the zombie baby eat her from the inside out, because I think that would be awesome!
These last few episodes have bee excellent. I almost quit watching because the first half was so slow and boring. Glad I stuck it out!
*I meant happen if Lori had a miscarriage, not have … sorry for all of the typos. :/
Here’s what I think will/should happen to sustain the drama…
I would like to see that Merle is still alive, and with the other group of survivors. With Darryl pulling away from the group recently, it would be interesting to see his loyalties torn like that. Especially since he’s more of anti-hero than a squeaky-clean “good guy” like Rick.
Plus, after the zombie massacre at the barn, the zombies just don’t feel as scary or threatening to me. (Though I do believe next week’s siege episode will be AWESOME.) For me, I think it would be far more intense and interesting to see a sort of war (or at least border skirmish) between the two survivor camps. An enemy that can think, plan, use weapons, take hostages, etc. is way scarier than a bunch of lamebrain walkers.
I agree with everything you said SCOA – I never thought about why Dave & Tony didn’t reanimate – he shot both of them in the chest as well, so that would be a pretty big plot hole if they decide to follow the “Wildfire has been airborne the entire time” story.
I totally didn’t see Shane leading Rick out to shoot him until it was actually happening. And the entire time Rick was pleading with Carl (which my husband pointed out as well – it’s a Zombie Apocolypse & you’re letting your kid roam around ALL THE TIME unsupervised, and in this case, incredibly far away from the farm house after your dad has ordered everyone inside & to lock the doors) when Shane got up & started to zombie-walk over I had jumped up & was yelling “turn around!!” How could he not hear that? Quiet meadow, zombie growling?
Anyway, totally had zombie nightmares after I watched this epsiode. Cannot WAIT for the finale!!
If the conflict for next season does concern Lori’s pregnancy I will not be tuning in. Unless they get some WAY more sophisticated writers I can’t imagine anything more boring. The point of a zombie apocalypse is that you have a built-in visual symbol to work with. These writers constantly undermine the visual by having the characters discuss EVERYTHING — even in the bar, before they started shooting at each other, Rick was speechifying to the bad guys instead of letting the scene speak for him.. Getting two-dimensional characters to talk a lot is not the way to turn them into three-dimensional characters; it’s the way to bore your audience to death. I agree that what should happen is the classic apocalypse situation of the good guys vs the Nazi survivalist guys. But even that situation could turn into a soap opera unless these writers learn how to SHOW NOT TELL. I imagine a “battle for Carl’s soul” scenario, which could be cool if it doesn’t involve a bunch of “speeches about a battle for Carl’s soul.”
Ooo– I meant to say, didn’t Rick shoot those dudes in the bar in the head after he’d killed them? I remember thinking it looked like overkill at the time and thinking, “I bet this is significant for some reason.”
My favorite moment in the show was when Rick thanked Daryl for taking the gun and shooting Dale, and Daryl said simply, “you shouldn’t have to do all the heavy lifting.” I think it was Daryl’s way of letting Rick know Daryle understood how hard shooting Sophia was.
I rem. that Rick shot the fat one in the head – when they were in the bar.
I am hoping that Wildfire has mutated and everyone carries the gene to potentially turn into a zombie.
Lurker – I would totally love to see potential zombie fetus eat Lori from the inside out. She is slowly taking up my hate for Andrea, and DAMN THE WRITERS for making me like her during the scene with her and Glen. Damn them to hell.
Lord, please let these people get off of the farm already!!!!!!!
SCoA – awesome freaking recap and great point about Carl going back to get the gun. I didn’t even think about that!
I also was wondering why Carl was allowed to freely roam around the property – esp. after Sophia bit the big one.
Also, I will be so pissed if the secret Jenner told Rick was that Lori was preggo. What a cop out.
Fingers crossed for a show down b/w the farm folks and the traveling rapers. We need some new characters.
I will say that the zombie flashes while Shane was dying were pretty affecting. If it’s true that everyone has the virus then that’s a really grim way to have go out. That’s the kind of creepy, hopeless feeling I expect from a zombie apocalypse tv show.
But maybe if you’re a woman you die with flashes of yourself arguing with other women over who has to do the cooking and who is allowed to have a gun?
I’ve actually wondered about pregnant women in the zombie apocolypse. I brought it up during season one. Say you have a women who is five months pregnant or more…what happens when she is infected? The baby is living through the blood of the mom, so obviously the baby is highly likely to get infected. So when Mom dies, the baby dies…and does zombie baby then try to fight and/or eat its way out? Even after mom gets shot in the head?
If they wanna give people nightmares, pursue this…
I, too, like the idea of everyone having a dormant form of Wildfire. I’m also hoping that the show will finally start shifting into ZA mode and discuss and prepare for their survival vs whether or not Shane’s evil(er) twin magically shows up, as so often happens on other soaps.
And PLEASE let Lori’s fetus eat it’s way out of her womb.
Oh, and am I wrong but wasn’t Carl at one of the windows of the farmhouse with binoculars and that’s how he happened to see Rick and Shane in the field? I just remember thinking yeh, a house full of adults and there he is, alone, at the window, watching everything that happens!
I think we need to start a campaign during the hiatus for Tdog to get some character development.
Oh, man. I’ve been away from the ‘gasm for a while and didn’t realize that you were writing these recaps, St. Claire. At least I get to catch up before the finale. Great job on recapping this show!
I love the direction the show has taken and I think that you are right about Lori being pregnant becoming the driving force next season. I’m also hoping that Andrea will become a sort of minor antagonist (kind of the way Shane started out). It seems like earlier in the season they were going to spin it that way, but the writers seemed to have changed their minds about that.
I’m looking forward to the finale and to you awesome recaps of Whale Wars (in a way, Shane’s non-plan for Randall/Rick reminded me a little of some of the Sea Shepherd hijinks).
Based on the new casting and the kind of things Norman Reedus said in the live chat I think they will get off the farm and will have to deal with the Nazi survivalist group in the next season. More zombies would be nice! Allegedly, AMC hates having to pay for the zombies because the makeup is really expensive, and that makes me hate them.
@linda, Yes, I saw Carl on the roof with those binoculars too. @Liz, didn’t they say were getting off the farm for 2.2, though? Maybe it was just that the adds made it look that way, but I don’t trust these writer interviews for shit anymore.
Although I love Mad Men, when I see the ads for it I think, “You bastards took my zombie budget!” If you give your budget to one show it will take your network down, no matter how popular it is. Just like The Sopranos.
Oh my geez, Mary! I am the same way!!! My co-worker loooooves MM and I always yell at her and tell her that that show is the reason TWD had to suffer. I vow to never watch that show, strictly b/c of the budget thing.
Mad Men gives me January Jones to look at. So lay off. Grrr.
Tony and Dave do not reanimate,because Rick shoots them both in the head! Dave reaches for the gun on the bar,Rick draws his weapon and shoots him in the head,then immediately turns and fires upon Tony,shooting him twice in the torso,and then walks up and shoots him in the head. This is why Tony and Dave do not reanimate.
@maryedith: I think that flash of red (the first flash) and the flashes of snarling zombies ,is meant to represent not what it’s like when you die,but what it’s like when you come back! I think it meant,” This is what you see when you reanimate.” I stand with you on the assessment of it’s creepy factor! It’s off the charts!
I agree w/ Harold on that – I think the flashes were Shane coming back as a zombie.
Thanks for all the comments, gang! I will be sad to see you go after this week. And, thank you for being patient with me on the publishing of this one. (I now have two other deadlines the day this is due…not gonna lie, I’m partly looking forward to the season finale)
@JimmyT…thanks! I’m excited for Season 5 of Whale Wars as well. I should be doing the recaps for it. (If they move it to Sunday night I am going to go berserk).
Also, good call re: Tony & Dave. Rick did shoot them in the head, so that’s probably why they didn’t reanimate. I’m guessing the chain of Wildfire events is:
ACTIVE VERSION
-You get bit by a zombie and regardless of whether you die, you become one
DORMANT VERSION
-You have Wildfire already
-If you die for any reason, zombie or otherwise, you reanimate
-Unless you are shot in the head. Then you don’t reanimate
Here, here!!
Oh did they? I didn’t realize they had said that. Though I have to say, it seems that many writers/showrunners say things in interviews that never happen. At this point, I’m starting to think they’re never going to reveal what Jenner said to Rick. At this point, I don’t even know that there is anything that would have been interesting for him to have revealed. Unless it’s something Rick is like a horrible person for ignoring or something? Oh, but, I have spoilered myself some on the comics, and I’m not sure there’s a way for them to introduce the new character unless they’re off the farm, but of course they have deviated from the comics in many ways so I could be wrong. Sometimes, I just think the writers just don’t have that solid of a plan so things change after they say something will/will not happen because they start fleshing things out and then what they planned doesn’t actually work.
Also, I think Mad Men is a great show, but I think it’s ridiculous that they would insist on allocating money to it but not TWD when TWD is bringing in amazing viewership, and thus revenue.
@SCOA – I am on board with this theory!
Funny, Cattyfan – I just brought that up to my husband after we watched the finale. I was wondering if Laurie’s baby died in utero would it resurrect as a zombie and claw its way out?
This is my guess too. I think Merle is still around and likely with the mean group of survivors. I predicted this early on this season.
I love both shows.