The Challenge: The Biggest Loser?


By VirginiaApple | | 1:00 pm | 16 Comments

TJ Watch indicates that he is still recovering nicely.

Previously:  the red team failed, Camila sent Katie packing, and Brandon sent Ty home on a stretcher.  Apparently Ty’s an anorexic or something who only eats a banana a day in hopes of becoming an underwear model (thanks, Tiredofthebandwagon).  What a moron.  Being that dumb is one thing, attempting an athletic competition is a whole other level.  He deserved to be sent home after such an epic failure, both at life and at the challenges.

Brad makes Tori breakfast while they contemplate whether or not Chet will return.  Damn, Tori’s got him doing the cooking too?  I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again:  that boy’s balls are in a vice grip.  As a car pulls up outside (not really, but you know how editing works), Tyler recounts Chet’s heroic deed of swimming a fast leg despite his concussion.  He proclaims that the reason the red team still has nine members left is their heart.  More likely, it’s their failure to send weak players into elimination rounds, but what do I know?  Heart always wins this game, right?

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Just ask Paula “I’m 0-for-75″ Walnuts!

Chet walks in the door to much fanfare and many hugs from his teammates.  The longest one comes from Dunbar (who’s probably never had the longest anything before, HEY-OH!), who refuses to let go and continues to fill the homoerotic void left by the absence of Kenny and Evan.  Chet angles for a future with Frommer’s as he gives an unfavorable review of the Czech hospital.  It turns out he does not recommend it, and had to give himself a suppository.

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Dunbar is instantly jealous that he was not the one to give it to Chet up the ass.

Chet claims that he’ll be able to compete after another day or so and wants to start eating and drinking to build up his strength.  Brad is happy to have Chet back, and Chet is happy to be back.

Bananas and Derrick work out while they discuss how useless Ty turned out to be.  They’ve come to the realization that they’re going to need to go into Gulags now since they’re the only guys left on the blue team.  Bananas finally comes out and says that they trimmed too much fat.  Guess you might be missing Big Easy a little bit now, hmmm?

Luke and Brandon partake in a round of billiards while discussing the game.  Luke is feeling good since his team just won, and Brandon likes his team.  He says even though Camila has a temper, she shows up, and he’s fairly certain he won’t be going into another Gulag.  Yeah, we’ll see about that.

Sarah and Chet are giggling over her unwillingness to go visit him while he was in the hospital.  It’s always nice to see people from the same season having a moment together, as if they’re really friends or something.  But wait!  TJ walks in!  This was not in the previews like last time, so I was completely unprepared for this twist.  He asks Chet to get out of bed and join him at a romantic table for two downstairs.  He asks how Chet is feeling, and Chet claims to feel better.  Unfortunately for Chet, TJ says he has to go home on account of his concussion.  The most noteworthy part is when TJ says “head injuries are serious.”

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It’s like rain on your wedding day.  And by that I mean ironic, obviously.

Anyway, Chet and Teej are both bummed by this set of events.  Chet is so bummed, in fact, that he would rather be “circumsized by a rusty spoon.”  Well, just head back to the Czech hospital, I’m sure that can be arranged.  Also, drama queen much?  He says he’d rather have lost in a Gulag, and he’s sure the red team will win.  Has he met the red team?  Oh well, they say their farewells, and his team is sad to see him go.  He leaves them with some words of encouragement and inspiration that they won’t hear until after the challenge is over, so way to waste your breath, bro.

A mohawked Luke gets the honor and privilege of reading the clue from TJ on their <product placement>.  Key words:  raining buckets?  For once, we don’t get a montage of people trying to figure out what this means.  Melinda declares that they need to win for Chet.

This week’s challenge is called Sky Hook.  The players have to climb onto swinging, suspended rings (high above water, just like most challenges this season).  One player stays on the platform and they teams have to pass the basketballs to the lead player, who must try to throw them into the hoop.  The time limit is 20 minutes, and all of the players need to be on a ring (except for one) before they can start shooting.  For every player that falls, teams lose one ball.  They have 10 balls.

ct ep 6 ten balls

Dunbar:  ”Ten balls?  Sounds like a Tuesday afternoon.”

Tori:  ”I’ll never be able to fit ten balls in my vice grip!”

The red team is up first, and none of them are too eager to get started.  Tyler, the gay guy, nominates Brandon, the black guy, to be the one trying to make baskets.  I’ll let you draw your own conclusions.  Brandon is not too happy about this, but agrees to do what his team wants.  He starts climbing and swinging along, and the team hasn’t gotten too far by the 10 minute halfway point.  Camila notes hesitation on Brad’s part.  When they get down to 5 minutes left, they have Camila and Melinda jump off so they can shoot their 8 balls without having to waste more time climbing.  Problem is, Brandon’s only on like the middle ring, so his attempts are futile and he misses all of the shots.  Bananas is quick to mock via confessional, as always, while TJ clutches his air horn and looks especially distraught.

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It’s okay, bro, you still get paid.  Oh, maybe he’s just trying to figure out if he can make a bong out of his air horn.

The blue team is up next, and Derrick says he’s putting this challenge on his massive shoulders.  If he can’t hit couple of shots, he’ll go into the Gulag.  They get onto their rings seemingly very quickly, and then I see “uncensored” footage of Bananas pulling down Derrick’s pants, followed by Clare Danes petting a dog, Christina Aguilera telling me to “donate” at certain restaurants (which I first heard as “don’t eat” so maybe that’s a poor advertisement), and then Clare Danes is petting a dog with her lustrous eyelashes again.  Too much, MTV.  Too.  Damn.  Much.

Anyway, Derrick misses his first shot, and then the next four balls don’t even make it to him.  But then!  He sinks four out of the last five, which is pretty damn good, I must say.  Good for him.  Abram is very dismayed in his confessional.

The gray team climbs onto the rings as Abram tells us that despite taking the leadership role, he is convinced he’s going to fall and he sucks at basketball.  Sarah is cheerleading from her spot on the platform as the first ball get passed along.  Skull Beads gingerly extends her arm toward Laurel, who gives a mocking confessional calling her a ballerina and telling her not to drop the ball.  And you’ve probably noticed I’m no huge fan of Skull Beads, but damn!  Hyper-critical much, Laurel?  Good thing she’s not slightly overweight or a ginger, otherwise Laurel would have Skull Beads’ head mounted on a wall by now.

Anyway, Abe misses a couple but still manages to sink 5 with balls to spare (despite Derrick’s awesome heckling from the ground), so the gray team wins.  The blue team is very disheartened.   Teej make his obligatory announcements and then sends them back to the house so the gray team can enjoy dinner with the others make their votes.

The gray team declares today an “impossible win” for some reason.  I mean, the blue team did well, but clearly it wasn’t THAT impossible.

Bananas gathers his cronies and declares that loss a “swift kick in the nuts.”  Something tells me he has experience many of those in his lifetime.  Derrick, for some reason, decides that he deserves to go in, and Bananas says it’s big of him and “way to step up.”

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Meanwhile, he’s already plotting excuses for why he shouldn’t go in next time.

Emily also volunteers herself since she is a rookie, and Bananas expresses confidence in both of them.  He claims that the red team can only point fingers at each other, which is probably what they’re doing right now.  Let’s find out, shall we?

That is precisely what is happening, it turns out.  They all point a finger or two until Tori say it’s pointless, and they should all make their votes based on their own personal opinions.

Time for the voting montage!  The only noteworthy thing is that a couple of red team members who usually vote for Camila decide on Melinda instead.  Teej comes in to announce the results.  The blue team, as we all knew, is Emily and Derrick.  TJ says he hopes whoever is going against Derrick is ready for a fight, which for some reason earns a round of applause from the red team.  Speaking of the red team, all but two team members got votes, and my first thought is that those two must be Brad and Tori.  This is enough of a cliffhanger to warrant a commercial break.

When we return, we learn that Tori and Tyler are the two who did not receive votes.  I’m pretty surprised, since Brad seems to be viewed as some sort of deity on the team, but then I remember that Camila mentioned his hesitation during the challenge.  The editors didn’t just throw that line in for no reason.  Anyway, it turns out that Camila will get the night off and Melinda will go into the Gulag.  The guys must be better friends though, because they still send Brandon in.  Teej goes so far as to call it “the worst decision” he’s seen so far.  He gives them a lecture, and Brandon tells us that he’s just over it.

Melinda and Walnuts chat while Melinda packs.  She says she’s surprised that none of her friends on the team gave her a hint or a sympathy look to let her know she’d be going in.

ct ep 6 melinda

Well, that’s probably because you exceed the quota for sympathy looks per episode all by yourself, lady.

They, like me, are more shocked about the almighty Brad receiving a vote than anything else.  They debate it at length and come to no conclusions save for “careful ain’t the word for this game.”  Whatever that means.  They also don’t mention Camila, even though she’s the one person on their team they don’t have control over, so you’d think that would cross their minds.

During a night out on the town, Camila confirms my suspicions that she was the one to vote for Brad.  She also, for some reason, decides to pass this nugget of information along to Brad himself.  He takes it terribly.  Honestly, I didn’t expect that from him.  He’s usually pretty level-headed when he’s not goading Darrell into causing him to nearly lose an eye.  She was just trying to be straightforward with him, which he usually appreciates, but this time he decides he’s no longer going to stick up for Camila.

And if you thought Brad didn’t take it well, Tori is even more pissed.  She decides that since Brad is her husband, Camila will be going in every time until she goes home.  Camila correctly reminds us that everyone was supposed to vote for whoever they wanted, and there was little discussion about who should go in.  Laurel tries to convince Camila that she didn’t do anything wrong, while telling us Camila shouldn’t have said anything since the voting is anonymous.  Tori, meanwhile, is still furious and promises us that Camila will go into elimination every time until she goes home.

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“She doesn’t even have balls that I can collect for my vice grip!”

Holy crap, Tori needs to calm down.  She’s acting like Camila murdered her husband, instead of saying his name out loud for perfectly valid reasons.  Standing by your man does not require a stage 5 meltdown, woman.  Please dial it down like 49 notches, thanks.  Walnuts also thinks Camila is a “little baby whore,” as if that’s relevant.  Camila gets so angry that she breaks glass and shrieks as she walks away.

Back at the house, Camila tries to have a polite conversation with Tori to explain her reasoning.  All Tori does is promise to vote for Camila every time, and she says it as snottily as possible.  Bananas tells us that Tori thinks being with Brad gives her diplomatic immunity, so she can say whatever she wants and not have to answer for any of it.  He says he doesn’t want to disrespect Brad’s wife, but he “can’t stand the bitch.”  Damn, I HATE it when I agree with Bananas, but for once I do.

Camila moves on to Walnuts, who is a little nicer but still pretty dismissive, while Dunbar giggles in the corner and Camila is in tears.

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“Why are you looking for my approval?  I’ve lost A HUNDRED CHALLENGES!”

Jenn tells us that she doesn’t understand why the red team treats Camila like crap, since all she’s done is help them win challenges.  Paula gives one of her patented nonsensical monologues about how she’s been doing this since Camila was in braces and everyone’s a bitch and yadda, yadda, yadda.

Emily and Derrick are both feeling good about their respective chances in the Gulag.  The small blue team is in good spirits despite their circumstances.

Skull Beads tells Brandon she’s surprised his team keeps sending him in.  She tells him and Melinda that if either of them wins their Gulag, the blue team is “done.”  Derrick leaving would be rough for them, but Emily probably wouldn’t make or break them.  Brandon’s having trouble getting pumped up about a situation he doesn’t deserve to be in, and if he comes back he’s ‘done’ with his team.  For some reason, that means more when he says it than it did when Sammi said it on Jersey Shore.

The Gulag this week is our first repeat:  Handcuffs.  The players have to wrestle plastic rings out of their opponents’ hands.

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Figures these racists would give the black guy “Handcuffs.”

I’m pretty sure the first time they played this, they only had to get three points, but now it’s five.  The stakes have increased!  Dramatic!  Sarah reminds us that Brandon has already won this, but Derrick can wrestle like nobody’s business.  She, like me, has little faith in Melinda’s ability to win.

The girls are up first.  Melinda tells us that Emily’s choking her, she’s eating dirt, swallowing hair, etc.

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Hair’s probably not the worst thing she’s ever swallowed.

That picture is pretty representative of the whole round.  Dan tells us that everyone is shocked because Melinda fought 10 times harder than anyone expected, but Emily still wins with 5 straight points.  She’s thrilled, her team is thrilled, and she hugs Melinda before rejoining them.  Melinda even gets a nice little speech from Teej about how he didn’t know she had that in her.  Awww, he’s proud of her.  I want TJ to be proud of me!  Melinda claims that this has been a learning experience for her, but I have no idea what she could have learned so I guess I’ll have to take her word for it.

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But does your mouth feel clean, you LINK LICKER?

It’s the guys’ turn, and this should be pretty epic.  I’m sad though, because I really like both of them and I wish they weren’t going up against each other.  They start wrestling, and there is a look of utter terror in Bananas’ eyes as he contemplates losing his only remaining safety net.  He looks much happier after Derrick wrestles the first two handcuffs away from Brandon while the rest of the blue team screams and cheers.  Brandon says he’s trying, but it’s tough to do anything against “the small little tight ball of muscle” that is Derrick.

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It causes them to be in this position for most of the time, which I find utterly hilarious for some reason.  Lack of sleep perhaps.

And sure enough, Derrick quickly shuts him out.  Poor Brandon.  I really feel bad for him, but it was nice to get a reminder of what a BADASS Derrick can be sometimes.

To their credit, Derrick and Bananas both give Brandon some words of respect/encouragement.  Jenn celebrates their shutout and tells us that their strongest players are going in now, which is just stupid if you ask me.  There is no advantage to keeping weak players around, since it will make it harder to do the final AND result in more people to split the money with.  But hey, who am I to think logically?  I’d fit in terribly on the red team, that’s for damn sure.

Anyway, TJ and Derrick have nothing but nice things to say about Brandon, while Paula says he was never going to make it to the final since she would never vote the other guys into elimination over him.  It boggles the mind how you’ve never won a challenge, Walnuts.

Brandon can’t do much but give a metal eye roll to his team in his exit interview.  Listen, dude:  there’s a reason that none of the players on the red team have ever won a challenge.  I really do feel bad for him, he’s my favorite guy on that team.  He’s definitely, as TJ said, “no slouch,” but Derrick is a force and always has been.  I forget sometimes, because I can’t remember the last elimination round he was in, so it was very nice to get this reminder.  I just wish it had been against any of the other guys instead of Brandon.

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Respect, dude.  I will miss your self-awareness most of all.

Teej points out that the teams have now been evened out to 6 red, 6 gray, and 5 blue players before sending them on their way.

Back at the house, Jenn and Paula get into a screaming match over who has lost more challenges.  That’s literally what they fight about.

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Don’t take on Bret Walnuts when it comes to whining about losing challenges.  You will not win.

Meanwhile, Laurel is standing there looking relieved that someone’s being a bigger, louder bitch than her for once.  And I’m sitting here contemplating how many challenges Brad has lost, since he’s probably the only one who can compete with Walnuts in that respect.  Wikipedia confirms my suspicions, it says that Brad is on his eighth Challenge with zero wins.  Also, that Wikipedia page is terrible distracting.

Next week:  Well, I don’t know what happens next week, but Later This Season:  Stretchers!  Vomit!  CT!  Lots of other stuff.  It’s going to be good.

So basically, this episode showed me again how hapless the red team is.  It’s no wonder they have the most vets without any wins.  They did finally wise up and send Melinda in, but it’s hard to justify sending Brandon in for a fourth straight Gulag.  Plus, they haven’t been good at many challenges.  As for the blue team, I’m just curious to see what Bananas does after their next loss.  Will he volunteer, or try to get Derrick blamed?  And which girl will they send in?  Ditto the gray team.  Basically, what I’m saying is that the votes are about to get interesting.  I was sad to see Brandon go, he’s a good competitor, a good guy, and still fun to watch.  As for Melinda, I am neither surprised or upset by her loss, but I was a little surprised that the red team gave Camila the week off.  What did you guys think?



16 Comments

  1. 1
    rockspaper
    Posted November 12, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    This episode was so good but unbelievably frustrating to watch. Tori is an absolute idiot; I’m a big fan of the challenges and it always amazes me when certain people come on the show and expect to never be voted in. And for God’s sake Brad didn’t even go into the Gulag! I understand that rookies are always going to be voted in first but you can’t really blame someone for following what they were told to do and voting for someone who didn’t perform well. Brad is so overrated; he never really does anything impressive. And I loved how when the red team was pointing fingers they were all like “Brandon you shouldn’t have taken the leadership role if you couldn’t handle it” while he was just doing what his team wanted. You said it right, the red team is so illogical (even for challenge standards).

    But yeah this was an entertaining episode and the rest of the season looks really good! I have a feeling Bananas will eventually volunteer himself unless Derrick completely messes up in a challenge.

  2. 2
    Nichole
    Posted November 12, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    I couldn’t believe I was agreeing with Johnny, either. Damn Tori is a bitch with her stupid face, “You will be going in. Every time.” If I were Camila, I would make sure they would lose. Every time. She’s tough, she looks like she can take every girl on the other teams (except maybe Laurel, but I doubt they’d send her in). I don’t know why everyone worships Brad. It was messed up with Brandon, I think that was the only reason I was kind of going for the red team. AND I totally thought CT might be in this episode since Chet left. Don’t they usually do that when someone leaves? Why didn’t that just count for the guy going home?

    Anyways, great recap like always.

  3. 3
    JudgyWudgy JudgyWudgy
    Posted November 12, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    I went from rooting to the red team last week to hating them this week. Either those MTV editors are really clever, or my love for Brandon had me seeing the rest through rosy-colored glass. Sure, I felt bad when Paula got screwed over on The Island, because she really did….but that’s when you learn your lesson and STOP MAKING ALLIANCES WITH THESE GUYS. When she interviewed that she’d never say Brad, Tyler or Dunbar’s name over Brandon’s, I almost burst out laughing. What exactly has Dunbar ever done besides get really worked up over little things and shown absolutely zero attraction to her despite her throwing herself at him? She’s so unbelievably insecure.

    I felt the exact same way you did about agreeing with Johnny over Tori. I hated myself for it.

    Why do they keep glorifying CT’s violent behavior by bringing him back? He’s a physical threat to people. He LOOKS for fights. Knock it off, MTV!

  4. 4
    mullymoon
    Posted November 12, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    It always drives me crazy on these shows. The newbies know they will be voted in first, yet never manage to ban together to vote in the more experienced players. It seems so short-sided. And what is with Tori? What a nutjob. And, sorry, one more…the whole Paula and Jenn fight about who’s lost more…ones lost 5, the other 7? Who cares, you both suck. At least Paula gets softer and less-crazy as Jenn gets crazier as she rants on drunkenly in her man-voice. Not sexy.

  5. 5
    Posted November 12, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    I was so excited to see Tina in the preview. I really, really hope she busts balls on someone. To see Tina go against Laurel or Tori would be EPIC. Tina would eat those two for breakfast. Also, if Coral was there would Tina, all the girls would be destroyed. Man, I hope those two are on the next challenges VERY soon.

    I usually watch The Challenges and the older Real Worlds. Now, wasn’t Brad and Paula Walnuts on the same season in San Diego? Also, wasn’t Jenn on the Denver season? I almost positive I am correct but I am unsure still.

  6. 6
    Brattygrl
    Posted November 12, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    I believe Paula was on a season set in Florida, Key West maybe? Not sure what city. Anyway, she was on the same season as Bananas & Tyler from what I remember.

  7. 7
    CK
    Posted November 12, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Brad was on San Diego w/Robin. Walnuts was w/Tyler & Bananas in Key West. Jenn was on Denver. Tori sucks at life. I can’t wait for Tina to come back only because I pray she puts Tori in her place. I love how terrifying she can be. CT, again, I’m only excited because I pray he’s up against someone on red as I cannot stand those guys any longer. I’ll miss Brandon, but he was so much better than that team. I, too, do not understand why the rookies haven’t yet figured out that they could vote together & usually have the numbers(especially when there are always a few stray vets on the outs ie Katie & Easy).

    Ok, I really have nothing much to contribute as you all are generally hilarious and always say what I’m thinking anyway.

  8. 8
    Lisa
    Posted November 13, 2010 at 6:22 am

    @CK — “Brad was on San Diego w/Robin. Walnuts was w/Tyler & Bananas in Key West. Jenn was on Denver. Tori sucks at life.” — hilarious!

    ugh, I hate to see Brad and Tori come on my T.V. screen.

  9. 9
    Posted November 13, 2010 at 6:25 am

    Thanks guys. I remembered that Paula was with Tyler in Key West after I posed it, as with Jenn in Denver. I forgot about that retarded fight she was in with Brooke, whom I LOVED.

    Oh please, let Tina destroy Tori. She makes me puke.

  10. 10
    Lisa
    Posted November 13, 2010 at 6:28 am

    Hey I just thought of something! Wouldn’t it be delicious if Brad and C.T. get into a fight! Seeing as how Brad likes to try and get guys to hit him (like Darell) and how C.T. likes to hit people.

  11. 11
    HandyManda
    Posted November 13, 2010 at 7:05 am

    I hope it’s CT against Bananas. Oh that would be delicious to see him get his ass so thoroughly kicked. To see him have to actually put his money where his big gaping hole of a mouth is.

    Some of these people I am really starting to hate. Sometimes I think they should come up with another way of choosing people for the gulag’s or whatever they are that season. Make it a luck of the draw kind of a thing. Randomly choose who from each team gets sent in. At last then we aren’t seeing the same people every week get sent in.

  12. 12
    considerthis
    Posted November 13, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    I agree that it being a random draw would be more entaining than watching the least popular get tortured every week. There should be a rule that if you participate in 1 you must take a 2 year hiatus before returning. There have to be roughly 200+ RW – RR – Fresh Meat alumni – mix it up!
    1 mo thing – While I am not a huge fan of TJ Lavin’s hosting ability – totally stoner monotone delivery. I did respect him this week for the way he dealt with the Chet dismissal and especially for raggin on the Red Team when they sent Brandon to the Gulag AGAIN – you tell ‘em TEEJ

  13. 13
    Posted November 14, 2010 at 6:41 am

    Maybe they will do something interesting with it. Such as whatever team wins the Gulag, they give the losing team CJ or Tina. You win, great fantastic but you SCREWED yourself up in the long run and made another team stronger. You lose, you are screwed but you gain QUITE a competitor. It makes them think about sending people in and maybe using the brains left over from alcohol.

    It will wind up being something stupid that Blue and Grey lose all but one of each sex and they bring them in to replace. BORING

  14. 14
    flybsbsgirl
    Posted November 14, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Im sorry, I havent even read the recap yet, just need to mention how much I hate Tori, where does she get this sense of entitlement? How dare Camilla think for herself, and god forbid she vote for someone based on performance! I am now officially rooting for the grey team, not so much because I want them to win moreso because I need the red team and johnny bananas to lose.

    Oh Tina, where for art thou? How I miss your non nonsensical hilarious ramblings and insane bug eyes, please come kick these bitches asses! I knew that this season was filled with people I didnt like, but god these people are beyond annoying.

    Both Jen and Paula suck so the only fight I am interested in seeing them in is one that results in either one or both of their deaths.

    I look forward to seeing Brandon come back on the next challenge and straight kill it, bearing its a game where performance actually matters.

  15. 15
    Enrique's Mole
    Posted November 14, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Spoiler…

    CT isn’t joining the cast. He just arrives as an extra competitor in a gulag and winds up HUMILIATING Johnny. Can’t. Wait.

    Same deal with Tina, but I think that cow gets humiliated.

    I used to like Brad, but what a douche canoe since he married Hori. Poor Brandon! After Big Easy, he was my favorite. I get tired of the alliances and the biggest a-holes being treated like they walk on water. Maybe that’s why I like Psycho-Abe. He doesn’t [appear] to act like that. He’ll volunteer for an elimination, not crap his pants like Johnny.

  16. 16
    MichyPR
    Posted November 20, 2010 at 12:43 am

    Aww man I really wanted CT to join the cast, ohh man the things I would do to him! He can beat ME up if he wants to! :D Other than that, not really rooting for anybody this season, all I know is that I want Laurel, Brad, Tori, Craterface Paula, and Johnny to lose.

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