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Toddlers & Tiaras MiniCap
Toddlers and Tiaras
Thursday, January 24, 2013
12:28 pm
167 Comments
Get me a rabbi and some scissors, STAT.
This Toddlers & Tiaras didn’t have too much drama, but it certainly had its share of oddities and special moments only those involved in pageants can provide us. Amen.
The Stars’n Glitz pageant takes place in Charlotte, North Carolina, and the theme is “Fiesta.” So, we don’t want foreigners in our country, but we’ll sure as shit steal your fun party ideas! Pageant Director and Resident HORNDOG is the waaay over-accessorized Carla Smith who tells us it doesn’t matter if it’s from Spain or Mexico, they want people to join the fiesta! What she doesn’t say is they’d prefer Spanish fiesta instead of Mexican’t, but I think it’s understood.
Through her headband, glittery eye shadow, over-rouged cheeks, dangly earrings, ruffle-collared shirt, big & sparkly necklace and tons of rings, Carla also tells us she’d do the emcee over and over and over again until his eyes finally popped out from the ecstasy that only her pre-Curves body can provide. But she’s less subtle.
First up is Alyssa, 4, who is adorable and tells us that if someone takes her crown onstage, she kicks them in the crotch. Well, at least she has a plan. Mom AmyLeigh is very nice and pretty hilarious, and although I think she’s right about beauty being so important in the real world, I kind of want to kick her in the crotch for saying it. And for not putting her kid into Space Camp instead of beauty pageants.
Alyssa is really cute and is just now moving into the 4 year old group. She does seem to need more training as she relies on watching mom too much, but the biggest downer is when she turns into the nicest mean girl ever. Mom should probably reel that in before Alyssa really regrets it – we all know how karma works, don’t we?
Next up is a girl we met a few seasons ago, Ariana, 7, and grandma Pam…to remind you, these were the hunting family (okay, that doesn’t narrow it down) and Ariana described in great detail how she’d cut up any deer she got. Grandma tells us that they no longer hunt so we don’t have to worry about Ariana being a serial killer of any kind.
Due to grandma’s illness (they don’t say what), they’ve taken a couple of years off from pageants and this will be their first one back. Luckily, they have Pat a.k.a YaYa (although I think Pat Aka YaYa is a much better name) who is wearing a crazy (Steelers?) headband attached to crazy Muppet hair and some drag queen they know who looks like he’s a huge penis with foreskin helping get her ready for the pageant. So you know this kid is gold.
There is also some confusion between George Washington and Abraham Lincoln, so you know she’s being raised by a village of Mensa members.
Finally, we meet 3.5 year old Natali (because the final “e” was just too much) who is super-shy and has weird-head vibe except I think it’s just her wide-eyed genes from mom. Or it’s the fact that mom IS STILL BREAST FEEDING HER! Jesus, are you serious? Yes she is.
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damn, it was ALMOST an episode with three normal-named contestants, if natali’s mom hadn’t forgotten the “e.”
drag queen coach needs to shut the hell up with “fierce.” seriously, get a new freakin’ word. he probably has to coach little kids in pageants because he annoys all the self-respecting drag queens and they won’t hang out with him. it doesn’t matter, though, because ariana’s grandmother is far more interesting in the freak show factor kinda way.
oh, and WHY was alyssa’s outfit a halloween costume?! she looked like she was supposed to be either a pumpkin, or possibly a tiger. either way, NOT a step up from the prior monstrosity. in fact, i’m willing to call it a step down.
natali(e) is pretty but boring. i’m not even that shocked by the prolonged breastfeeding, since moms seem to be getting crazier & crazier. i know too many women who have their 3-year-olds still sleeping in their bedroom BY CHOICE, so i wouldn’t be shocked if they were still breast-feeding, too. i’m pregnant and dreading dealing with other moms when this baby comes, because too many of them are nutjobs. it’s kind of like when i was engaged — i wanted nothing to do with “brides.” crazy bridezillas just become crazy moms, really.
alyssa, that little brat, telling that other little girl she wasn’t pretty — seriously?! and mom didn’t even apologize to the other girl’s mother when her spawn didn’t apologize as instructed. i think we already know who’s going to be the mean girl in high school. i would pull that cocky little brat out of that pageant for not apologizing to that little girl.
my subscription failed to go through, so i’m trying again — sorry! i wish there were a way to subscribe without leaving a comment (am i missing something?) for times like these.
I thought Natali(e) was cute! Hmm maybe the reason she is shy and doesn’t talk is because there is always a boobie in her face? JMO….But when it was time to go on stage she was like ” no, I want to go by myself..She is smart, she saw all the other kids her age going alone…Now just let her practice alone and she will get it down!
I think that Deer hunting Granny has to be the most “normal” when it comes to crowning…Yeah sure she didn’t win the grand family size pizza with all the toppings, but grandma was happy with what she got! Ariana’s beauty dress was ok….I think if it would have been 1 color and maybe no sleeves it would have been better….
I missed Alyssa telling the other girl she wasn’t pretty…
ellemnop-congrats on the baby
I don’t have any kids yet, but Mr Z and I are always asked , so when is it your turn? Why haven’t you had any babies yet…you guys have been married long enough! Drives me crazy..makes me a little sad actually.
PS, I don’t get the whole breast feeding thing after a certain age…I would think that once a few chompers start coming in, it would be time to ween….I don’t want to start a debate..I know I don’t have kids, I know I don’t understand what it is like…It is just something I wonder about… I also know that not everyone can breast feed. My sister wasn’t able to with her daughter…
i thought natalie was adorable, and i liked how proud she was of herself for going onstage alone.
did anyone see the clip show before this episode? i think it was a repeat, but it was the first time i’ve seen it. so many fond memories! and no mention of eden at all.
I’m an avid reader but I never post. But I had to break my silence to ask ” What was on Ms Fierce’s head???” I keep trying to figure it out until I gave myself a headache. I thought it was a blonde clip in or something but towards the end of the episode it started looking like a big white bald spot…
I could not get it out of my head that Natali (sans the e ) would be in full glitz suckling on mama’s teet…kinda found it disturbing at that age, although maybe I am just jealous as I was bottle fed..I digress.
@michkabibbles–yes, she was adroable. When she asked her dad if she did good on stage. She was proud, wish momma could have been more proud then angry for what dad did…
I don’t know what the hell is going on with the pageant coach’s hair, but I liked him.
When he was demonstrating how to look at the judges, I fell out laughing. He really had it down though. If I had a kid doing pageants, I’d go to him, seriously.
I also liked the pageant director…she’d be fun to drink with.
Loved Ariana’s family, although they really need to get some help with their fashion choices.
It was so sad to see her gorgeous hair and makeup next to both of those ugly ass dresses.
I shuddered at the mental image of Natali breastfeeding.
She is too damn old.
If she’s old enough to walk, talk, and use the potty, she is too old to be breastfeeding.
I don’t care what anyone says.
If the mom really wants to breastfeed, she needs to go pop out another baby. Or breastfeed herself. Because Natali is too damn old.
Alyssa is such a beautiful child, but she won’t be for long if she doesn’t start treating other little girls kindly. One of these days, she’s gonna try to talk bad to the wrong little girl and she’s gonna get it right in one of those big beautiful blue eyes of hers.
Momma better reign that in.
Or teach her to fight.
I was really annoyed with Natali’s mom. She kept going on about how she put her daughter in pageants to give her confidence, yet was annoyed when Natalie wanted to go onstage alone…which was a massive display of confidence! Mom being more concerned about pretty feet and her daughter marking all the X’s shows that it’s really not about confidence for her daughter, it’s about bragging rights for mommy. And yeah…enough already with giving the kid the boob. Once they’re old enough to undo the buttons on the blouse themselves, it’s time to call it quits! I am always appalled at the men who go along with this stuff (same with co-sleeping)…if I had wanted to breastfeed my child into the toddler years my husband would have said hell no!
Breast Feeding at 3.5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m sorry, but someone is getting off on that and it’s not the kid
I breastfeed my daughter for 3 months and I was soooo happy when those 3 months were over. Plus, I didn’t even want to breastfeed. It was my husbands idea. The thought of breastfeeding a kid at 3.5 makes me throw up in my mouth a little. Love the mini recap. Need to go and watch the show. To much good stuff on Wednesday nights. Thank god for DVR’s.
Wasn’t that Eden Wood galloping through the audience? God she’s chunky as hell! Loved (sarcasm) the names “True ” and “Queen “. Really people?!?!??
Wait, was Alissa the one that said if someone was going to take her crown, she’d kick em in the crotch?
Yeah..what the hell mom?!?! I guess if she gets into a fight later on in life, that is exactly what she will do! A nice swift kick to the crotch…smdh!
Again I didn’t want to get on the whole breast feeding thing, but I guess since Nat’s mom said she still does it, there was no getting around it.
I haven’t seen this one yet and I love my PVR, but what the heck is the first picture supposed to be off? Is that someone’s hair?
@confused-yeah that was his hair…I don’t think it would have been so bad if he would have kept the headbands at home!
Natalie was cute. I thought when the child started teething is when you weaned them.
Alyssa has a mean streak, but I thought it was cute how she rambled to the make up lady.
Wasn’t Queen on the show before?
@thisbuggs4u that was a HE???? I thought it was a woman
Loved, loved Justin; he was fun, nice, warm, supportive and knowledgable; wish they’d give him a show of his own–maybe clips of kids before he coached them and afterwards. I was perplexed too at the head gear; clip in bangs? But why; they looked so odd. Was surprised he loved Arianna’s dress; it was Halloween IMO and what was up with YaYa’s shirt; was it embossed with a plastic face? Natali’s fiesta costume was cute. Oh, give Justin his own show TLC!
Yes, Queen was on the show before and I liked her a lot; she had to tell her mother what she needed vis a vis pageantry so a girl who really is doing it for herself and not mom living through her.
Crabby, that was STEELER gear YaYa had on her head. yea!! Everytime Justin came on the screen all I could focus on was his head. I kept asking myself WTF?? I did like him tho. Can’t wait to read the full cap !
@thisbuggs4u — i have friends who have been married much longer than i am (my best friend has been married for over 6 years and she’s 27) and don’t have kids yet. in fact, most of our kids are not yet pregnant or have children (i’d say our married friends range between 25 and 35). we just wanted to start right away (married one year april 1st — definitely diong this sooner than a lot of couples, plus we miscarried twice), so don’t feel too bad. i think it’s normal for people to take their time — if anything, we’re the weirdos. i also don’t work, and though i don’t know if you do or don’t, i do know a lot of my married or getting-married female friends refuse to have children until they do things like finish medical residencies or feel more established in their careers (and i don’t blame them, especially the ones who spent 10 years in school and residencies and have hundreds of thousands of dollars in student debt!). also, i’m only at 10 weeks now (and hopefully this one will be successful, but ya never know), and already i am being crazier than normal. yesterday i got into some hissy fit about my husband not ordering me my pregnancy pillow cover and told him he doesn’t care about my comfort and he’ll care even less when the baby comes and never pay attention to me again and wahh wahhh crazy pregnant woman whining. i’m kind of horrified at myself now, lol. but i need to throw all my tantrums now before the baby (hopefully) comes and takes the spotlight away, ya know?!
@pyper — you know, i kinda almost sorta can’t blame moms who bottle feed. i have 6 1/2 more months to get used to the idea, but i feel aaaawkward about breast feeding, even though i know it’s the right thing to do. i’m just not that comfortable with myself and any extra exposure makes me uncomfortable! however, i would rather bottle feed any day than do what my grandmother did — my mom and all 6 of her sisters had wet nurses. in the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s (obviously, with 7 of them, they came during different decades). i mean, wtf? i thought those went out of style with the victorian era. i was mortified to learn this fun fact. but then, i had friends who are still “thinking about” stopping the breastfeeding with their 1 1/2 year olds and i always make the “shut the front door” disgusted look when they tell me that. i mean, no. just no. there are many things that need to stop before the baby’s first birthday, including breastfeeding and the baby sleeping in the parents’ bedroom. people freak me out a lot.
finally, to all who also were wondering about coach fierce’s hair — what was even the PURPOSE of the blonde rat on his forehead? was that a pet? does it unfold into a luscious rapunzel coif? i’m so confused.
er, most of our FRIENDS are not yet pregnant. if we have any kids i don’t know of, i would be appalled to learn they are pregnant or have their own children.
Every time I saw Mr. Fierce I thought “Good Lord – is that his real hair or a headband?” WHO DOES THAT? I just don’t understand…I just don’t understand.
And, in my non-breastfed, non-breastfeeding opinion, if the kid is old enough to say, “Hey Mom, I’m hungry – pop out the boob! And pass the funnies!” they are too old to be breastfed.
I did not like Allyssa. When I saw her make that mean comment to that girl her mother started to handle it. She kept saying mean things and instead of going up and grabbing her child’s hand and getting after her she kept saying\ that’s naughty\ and actually took a step back. I think that every parent should have ZERO tollerence when their child is acting unacceptable. If it were my child I woould have grabbed her and swatted her little ass. Then said \APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW!\ Then I would have turned to the other parent and said \I’m sorry!\ Her mama should have waddled her fat ass over, but of course she couldn’t dare get her little\princess\ upset before she went on stage! ~~~Her mom says \The first thing people see when they look at you is your face! Than that bitch oughta be worried! Oh yes! Looked like the other little girl pulled for a higher title!
@ellemenop-Both my husband and I are 33. So time is no longer my friend. My family has had problems with fertility. Well I am not sure about my mom, she had my sister when she was about 23 or so…but 1 aunt took 10 yrs to have her first baby, and this was back when you didn’t talk about fertility problems. Another aunt started trying for babies a few months before she got married. They miscarried twins, and then had a few more miscarries..they decided that adoption was the route for them. My other aunt, well she never wanted kids!
My cousin just got married in September, she also just turned 24. they got married a year early cause she didn’t want to have a baby first…! 2 of her bridesmaids were pregnant, another just had her third, and I was the oldest in her wedding party, besides the parents!!
We are a military family, so there is that working against us also. My niece just turned 2, and yeah you can say I have babies on the brain, still!! As like you, I am not working, but it is not by choice. I have been looking for work since we moved back to washington state 2 yrs ago..But I am also like you, and I am not sure if I want to breast feed. Yes I know it is the best, but I like to keep the “girls” under wrap!!
A lot of our friends are like, K guys, when you gonna have one? Some of our friends are on their second and third kid, but babies scare my husband! He won’t pick them up or hold them!
@thisbuggs4u — girl, you still have 2 more years before doctors start worrying about age-related issues. my mom had me at 25, but she had my youngest sister at 38. other than being a brat, she’s fine (and i’m sure my grandmother must have been in her late 30s/early 40s by the time she had her last one). hubby being afraid to pick up a kid, though, is a different problem. i wonder if it’s because he’s used to more rough handling of things because of his military background, and thinks kids are fragile and he’ll break them? actually, it seems there are also non-military men who have this fear of “breaking” babies. but if you want babies, don’t give up — maybe it’s time to talk to hubby about it again (or, i personally am a big fan of adoption — in fact, i would have rather adopted right away. if i miscarry again i’m not doing the pregnancy thing again; i’m adopting).
as for pushy friends, so annoying! i don’t have any of that mostly because they know it is something on our immediate schedule, but also because like i said previously, we have a lot of friends who are not at all ready for kids (even though many are at least a couple of years older than i am). i think part of it is regional, too. where i’m from originally (south america, and then grew up in miami), you’re a big loooooser (like in the south, i guess) if you don’t have kids and you’re, like, 24 or something. i certainly felt like a loser, even though i’d moved to nyc at 20 and never moved back south! up here, women are so career-oriented that kids aren’t a big priority/people don’t seem to want to start until at least 32. for me, because of my culture, that’s too old for me personally to start (all my damn high school friends were knocked up or had at least one by their 24th birthday, i swear. thanks, facebook!) but here it seems totally normal to be entering your 30s and not even sure when you’re going to get started. so, definitely seems cultural/regional (but i’ve never even been to washington, so i don’t know how it is there).
damn it — HER youngest. if only my mother could have my kids for me. and i lie/was wrong. just thought about it — my mom had ME at 26, and youngest at 37. my brain is lost.
Watched the show for years, but Natali’s mother has to make the top ten mothers who should be reported to children’s aid. Clearly that little girl did not want to do pageants at all. And, breastfeeding at 3 1/2! I agree, it is perverse for a mother to have no plans to wean a child who will shortly be in nursery school. I almost feel that there is much more going on in this household than meets the eye, and a lot of it involves control over that child.
@ellemenop – I know how you feel about the breastfeeding thing. I never wanted to breastfeed my daughter but I got so much pressure from everyone about it being the right thing to do (and some people – even the lactation consultant in the hospital – basically said that if I didn’t do it and my daughter died of SIDS I would be at fault!). I eventually caved after she was born and tried to do it, but was totally uncomfortable and I didn’t want to do it at all (to be truthful, it kind of grosses me out). Anyway, you can’t fool a baby…my daughter refused to latch on and basically starved for three days until I finally caved and begged the nurse to give me some formula (enter the nasty lactation consultant, at this point). I never did breastfeed and my daughter is totally fine. So, if and when the time comes, if you don’t want to do it, don’t feel forced into it. I wish I had just gone with my instinct and done formula right away; instead of enjoying my first few days with my daughter it was a nightmare of her screaming in hunger and me crying while the nurses tried to jam her boob into my mouth.
I have to jump in & say I am completely on Team Justin Fierce! While I was watching the episode I was mentally commending Justin & cheering him on because he is so unapologetically himself and proud while living in a very deeply red state. I’ve had friends in area much less conservative who’ve faced fairly serious attack for who they are so I send Justin huge love & respect (Although I do also have to admit I wasn’t a huge fan of the orange outfit).
And j’adore YaYa! Another awesome “I am who I am” lady,
Oh @rolling….I think your last sentence is backwards!!
@ellemenop- I know thanks Facebook!! everything you ever wanted to know (and didn’t) about your friends you can find…like I don’t need to know the weekly progress of a person’s pregnancy. I am cool with a picture or two…
When my cousin’s were born in 88 & 92, they were given sugar water until they were able to latch…my sister didn’t breast feed for the same reason. But they also found that my niece had a milk allergy. She has now out grown it. She also hates sweets. She wouldn’t eat birthday cake at her party.
My hubby was adopted. We have had the discussion about it and he has said he would adopt. Yes he more afraid of dropping a infant then anything else. we also had the discussion tonight about cloth diapers and disposable…
But I agree with Rolling- if something doesn’t feel right to you, you do what is best for you and your baby. And is a wet nurse what I think it is?
I love a good drag queen as much as anyone and got excited to see that we were going to be blessed with one. After Googling him to see if there was a good pic of his hair on there I saw a site where people were discussing the fact that he had once again been arrested and he was on there cussing like a drunk sailor defending himself saying some pretty nasty stuff. Not someone I’d want mentoring my prepubescent child.
@chickenlips you took the words out of my mouth, if the kid is old enough to verbalized that she is ready to suck your tit it’s time to stop. But poor kid, now that it’s immortalized forever on film she will be forever known as the kid who sucked tit too long!
I think Natalie’s find for now. It could be worse. I don’t know if y’all have seen this video, it has been passed around a lot. It’s a clip from what looks like a documentary of a woman talking about breastfeeding her 8 year old.
The best part is when her 2 daughters talk about which boob has the most milk.
@sagittariuskim– wtf!?!? that is when you should stop!! When both your kids are talking and milking you. IT. IS. TIME. TO. STOP! ….yeah I can hear it now….the right one has more. no the left. no the right….than dad is like, no they both do…gross. yet that made me giggle. yes I am sick!!
captcha- last straw
@thisbuggs4u: And the 8 year old is the youngest. The oldest had recently stopped. It’s been a while since I watched the video, but I think it was the one they called Milky-something or other that had the most milk. Yeah they named the boobs too.
Breastfeeding at 3.5 isn’t that odd, it is actually recommended to feed up to 3years of age. If both the mother and child are happy with it, then what is the deal? It is prob time to start weening, but seriously, it is personal choice! you can’t force a child of that age to breastfeed, so the child must still enjoy it.
It is neither the right or the wrong thing to do, and each circumstance is different for each individual. However that 8year old still feeding is just odd.
Just watched the episode, poor Ariana, her grandma has no sense in colour or anything! I remember that brown dress, and it was nicely designed but horriable colours! Are they colour blind!!
Alyssa was cute, didn’t like her drss, and found her talking adorable! But i do get that \sweetly mean\ vibe, she will be the kid that bullies other kids while making it seem like they are friends! I was shocked that after she told the girl that she didn’t look pretty in her dress, and her mum said something, she told the girl \well you don’t\ …. Miss Alyssa should look in the mirror and see her glitz dress before having a go at others.
Natali(e) was actually adorable, My cousins kid is like, painfully shy, but after an hour or so with her, she doesn’t stop! Miss Natalie was most definatly put off by the camera crew, but you can see her little personality come out with her interviews on pagent day after she was use to them! Adorable.
I also loved hearing Ariana’s grandma, when talking about the orange outfit that she asked the site to make it longer as it was for a 7year old! Go grandma!!
Breastfeeding is getting a bad rap here. there is NOTHING wrong with doing it. The kid was shy. Breastfeeding had nothing to do with that. Breastfeeding is better for a child then formula. Why is is wrong to breastfeed a child? Why is it okay for 3 year old to still be sucking on a bottle or a paci but not from a breast? I think society thinks kids should be attached to THINGS and not PEOPLE and that’s sad.
I think what is perverse here is that people think that breastfeeding a child is obscene. Yet if a man where sucking on a woman’s boob you would have no problem with it! Breasts are meant for feeding little ones. So she still nurses so what? Why does it bother you? it’s not your problem. When and if they wean their child is up to them not you. People need to stay out of other people’s business. The fact that you find breastfeeding a child disgusting is the problem. I have a problem with seeing a child with bottle or paci in it’s mouth to shut the kid up because mommy is too busy to be bothered with her child.
Did Natalis’s Mom really say that her daughter accomplished more in her three years of life than she has in 27? And that whole \I want her to overcome her shyness\-routine… Maybe pageants aren’t the best thing for her. They should try different things and find something that works – for NATALI and not her Mom.
As a nursing mother, I can say that she is getting nothing out of nursing her daughter at three and a half. Most kids, if given the opportunity, will nurse to about that age. My oldest weaned at 46 mos, and I forced it with my second at 44, but then I kept waking up to him nursing on past his fourth birthday. My daughter is now three, and still nursing. There’s nothing wrong with it, but I understand it’s not every one’s cup of tea, yk? I’ve been lactating solid for nearly eight years now. Trust me, I can’t wait to be done. In fact it is the biggest factor in our choice to not have more kids. I’m sure I’ll get the pangs again once I’ve forgotten how much I’ve grown to hate the chore. And thankfully, baring minor crisis, my daughter only nurses once or twice a day now.
To the mothers who are expecting and have mixed or negative feelings about it, just give it a try. You probably won’t like it, but some is better than none, and I promise, once you pass the four month mark, you’ll be a pro and it will get easier. This is when the big turn around happens and it really is easier than giving a bottle. There are wonderful products on the market that help with modesty. Nursing camis are great. The first few months, especially with your first, really can be hell. Nobody wants to admit or tell you this because they’re trying to promote nursing, but really, it is the truth. It helps to be pragmatic about it. Just like labor and pregnancy, it’s just part of having a baby. It is finite, it will get better, and it is not an all or nothing venture. The best part is that they don’t get attached to a bottle or the like. All three of mine have had both, and all three of mine have been done with a bottle and drinking out of an ordinary cup by about 13 months.
And nursing does not condemn a child to being painfully shy. I promise. In the last month my dd has sufficiently embarrassed me in public asking questions like \Why do they all have penises?\ about the men in line at the bank or \Why does she have a really, really, REALLY big butt?\ about the lady on the mobility scooter at the store.
As for this episode, I went back and watched it after I saw that there was a nursling in it. I still had a hard time keeping my attention on it. It really was kind of boring.
Oh Nancy…transference much? The sheer fact that you make the comparison of a man sexualizing and sucking on a woman’s breast being in the same catagory as an argument for prolonged breast feeding is disturbing; the fact that you consider it a valid enough analogy for discussion sake (TO PUBLICLY POST) is down right terrifying. You have proven the posters (who view this behavior as dubious) right on all counts. A pacifier or bottle is NOT in the same league as a breast, not socially, emotionally, or mentally. Breasts are sexualized in our culture sad as that may be, and though they served (originally) as a pure means of sustenance that is no longer their only function. To pretend like the bulk of America is dirty minded or alarmist by considering this action harmful is delusional.
A child who is made to be infantilized and socially separated from their peers because mom ‘can’t let go’ or ‘move on’ is a child suffering on the cusp of abuse.
Now I’m sure this comment won’t hit its intended mark, mostly because you seem incapable of understanding the harmful ramifications of this behavior, but take a step back, disengage your mouth from your mother’s nipple and TRY to think logically about what you are posting. Ask yourself before posting again: Do these comparisons seem reasonable? Do I sound like a zealot? Could my indignation be indicative of guilt over my possible (though unintentional) past abuse? Am I a mentally disturbed individual? If you answer yes to ANY of these questions (and I assure you, you do) tie your tubes immediately. Step away from the computer. Stay 100 feet away from all elementary and senior level schools. Never ever apply for a job at Starbucks, and stay the hell away from my latte.
@ellemenop…yes, you are right! That last sentence was completely messed up. Sorry! You get the point, though. =)
Oh, please. Lay off the breastfeeding moms. It’s not for everybody, but that doesn’t mean you have to demonize it. Many women in many countries bf for much longer than we do in the US. Three is not that old.
I bf both of my babies. Before I did, it grossed me out. I couldn’t even stand the thought of it. After researching, I realized it was the best I could do for my kids. It stands out as one of the most beautiful times of my life. There is nothing sweeter than a baby falling asleep on you right after nursing.
However, as soon as my kids stopped nursing, I went back to thinking it was gross. I’m still jealous of the sweet times that moms have with their babies. And that mom is getting nothing out of nursing her baby except for a sense of closeness.
I also thought that they handled her shyness well. They never once yelled at her or made her do anything she wasn’t ready to do. It’s always hard when you realize that your baby doesn’t need your for anything any more. I was sad when my son didn’t need me to tuck him in anymore.
And Estella, please point out where they are keeping their child socially separated from her peers. She’s in pageants, where 3-year olds run amok. I didn’t notice her mother sequestering her in the corner just so she could nurse her and rock her.
BTW, my tag is “labour of love.” Ironic.
Sorry, that comment wasn’t for Estella, but for Penny.
@thisbuggs4u — to be honest, unless you’re one of those people who’s just dying to have the pregnancy “experience,” you’re better off adopting anyway in the sense that you won’t go through the crappy (and sometimes gross) symptoms, the mood swings (and possibly telling hubby you hate him and to never talk to you again, just like a spoiled teenager), the anxiety and fear of miscarriage (and possibly a miscarriage, which sucks), the icky-looking labor, the not fitting into your clothes, being able to drink, having coffee restrictions (hate!), and, finally, your body will not have to go back to normal. i’d say adoption’s a pretty sweet deal in a selfish way as well as a non-selfish way. i’m a fan (seriously — i really, really wanted to adopt. not just for the reasons i listed, of course, but they’d be a bonus). i suggest you get hubby into the practice of holding babies every chance you get (nieces/nephews, friends’ kids, hell, some pageant parents may even let you practice with theirs if you give them an ugs with extra anchovies) so he sees he won’t break them.
and, yes, a wet nurse is what you think it is, i’m sure! i was and still am freaked out by the fact that this happened past the roaring twenties.
@nancy, for the record, i also would not have a three-year-old on a bottle or pacifier. not going to happen. i was brought up much more old-school than other americans in my age group, and i think a big part of it is being hispanic. our parents didn’t baby us like american parents did/do. more and more hispanics are becoming babying parents, but overall, we don’t put up with as much crap from kids as white americans tend to (i know not all americans do, but it’s more normal than in my culture). and i wouldn’t have a 2-year-old sleeping in my bedroom — barring that i were living in a situation where it were the only choice.
@estella — see, i don’t WANT to breastfeed, but i’m going to for the first few months because i KNOW it’s nutritionally and developmentally best for the child. i’m also a diagnosed chronic anorexic and that doesn’t mean i’m not eating for my baby because i don’t want to. i will do things i don’t want to for the well-being of my child, but i don’t think that includes nursing them into their pre-school years. as for doing it at all, yes, i am going to initially, personally.
… and why is my captcha always “hobby-horse”? is tvgasm trying to tell me i need a new one?
@rolling- that was me
yes I did understand you were saying.
@Penny Ruxpin- thank you for that. It is nice to see that most of you can understand what I am trying to say. Where did I ever say it was wrong? I said I don’t understand! I also made a joke about the woman who still \feeds\ her 8 year old. EIGHT YEARS OLD. Was it inappropriate, probably.
@Nancy- umm last time I checked, I am entitled to my own thoughts and opinions. Again I never said it was wrong. I simply asked why. I am a grown woman. At 33 I have yet to experience child birth. I don’t know that I will experience it…I am fully aware that \the breast is the best\ but what exactly is a mother to do when she doesn’t give birth, and adopts or uses a surrogate? oh wait, that is right, I would give my child a bottle….
@Estella-what is a new mom supposed to do if 1- there is no milk for days? Starve the baby? No you a’re going to feed it. that is what happened to my sister. When she was finally producing, my niece wouldn’t latch…She is now 2, and she is being seemed from her pacifier. Only at night. She drink milk out of a sippy cup. Has been for a year.
captcha is- easy as cake. yeah not so much
I’ll be castigated for this but worse than spoilers to some is how this has become a breastfeeding forum to me. I thought the prolonged bf in Natali’s case was another indication of how her mother doesn’t want her to become independent. I don’t give a rat’s arse how long anyone nurses their child, just commenting as it pertains to this episode of Toddlers and Tiaras.
So disappointing to be looking for good dishy snark with my morning coffee and see discourse on nada to do with the show–yes, my life really is that dull.
Saw Justin’s FB page and his hair looks cute in the pictures; I don’t know why the hell he had the old lady in Hawaii flower hairbands on in this show. Off to google him now.
My captcha is That’s it
I don’t have a problem if you breast feed, it’s healthy and beautiful and bla bla blah. So why doo most breast feeding mothers feel the need to tell me my daughter was abused because I chose not to? I knew from th time I first got pregnant I wasn’t going to breast feed and I have an intelligent, adorable, formula fed for 12 months, two year old. The people on here haven’t said they think breast feeding in general is weird or gross but the fact that a 3.5 year old is breast feeding is a little squicky. To each his own but what happens when she is a teenager and can remember that? When her maturity and thinking are all jumbled how will that memory make her feel? Bizarre I would guess.
I still think three years old is too old to be consistently breastfeeding a child. An infant is one thing, but a three year old? At that point, they have teeth, a fully developed digestive system, and an ability to articulate what they want to eat and don’t want to eat. I don’t see the point of giving them breast…by that age, there’s no extra health benefits, and breastmilk doesn’t even have nutritional value that will support the needs of a child at that age. Regular food will do them fine…shit, it’s probably better for them. And the social ramifications of kids in daycare or school finding out that they’re still sucking boob at that age? Nooo that child will never live it down.
And eight years old is definitely too too too damn old. TOO DAMN OLD. That child was way too big to be sucking on some breasts. That shit was creepy as hell!! The way they were sitting there, drawing pictures of breasts and debating the relative milkiness of the breasts was creepy. The way that the mom was smiling when discussing how much they love her breasts despite their flaws was creepy.
That bit about how the kids get upset when she wears a bra…oh God what did I just watch.
@Sam – I couldn’t agree more! This is freaking T&T! If you want to make a case for breast feeding your much too old kid, go find a LeLeche website and and voice your opinions there. If you want to stay here and snark about the show then fine, let’s snark. Otherwise shut the f*ck up and go stick your boob in someone’s mouth, This is ridiculous….
@lovethecrazies – Thank YOU!!! I thought it was just me…. I cannot wait for the full recap – Dear Tabby has so much to work with!!
@thisbuggs4u It’s normal for milk to take days to come in, especially the first go round or after a caesarian. It’s concerning if the baby is obviously restless, a low birth weight to begin with, or if they lose over ten percent of their birth weight. And even if none of those concerns are present, it is scary. Especially for doubtful new mothers. Many, in less that friendly environments, never get past the wait. You can only work with the tools you’ve been given. There are devices that are helpful, like a supplemental nursing system that delivers nutrition while preserving time at the breast. When latch has been lost or is poorly developed there are nursing shields that go over the nipple and make it easier and more bottle like to latch on to. And then there’s trickery, skin to skin contact, shoving it in their face when they’re half asleep, etc. Luck always plays a roll. There’s a learning curve to nursing for mothers and babies alike.
Mothers only know about these options if they’ve been presented. Many times they are found too late. Not every doctor is nursing friendly. I don’t know that there are any that still deliberately undermine a mother’s efforts to nurse, but there are still plenty who do not know anything about what’s available or who lean too far on medical intervention. Formula is easier to measure and control. It always will be.
@Ellemenop Congrats and I hope you have a healthy and happy nine months. As for nursing/formula goes, in your situation, when you cross that threshold of stressing out and having a hard time getting the calories, give formula and don’t look back. Formula really is a good thing, breastfeeding is normal, but sometimes formula is better. When moms can’t produce, or have medical issues, or when babies have medical issues. You do what works, feed the baby, and live your life.
As far as the Mexicans not being the babying sort, your family must be from a different area than my in laws. My DH was the youngest of many, he nursed until he was almost five and slept in the same bed as his parents for much longer. And hell, the spoon feeding.. nothing drives me batty-er than that. My SILs will put my kids, even past age two, in their laps and spoon feed them from their plates. I’m really more of let them do things when they’re driven to do them sort of person. I never sat over my kids with a spoon, not even when they were babies. I’d include them in meals, give them bites and licks off my food, etc, but they didn’t really eat, eat until 8-10 months and were able to eat cheerios and other finger foods. Not one of them was really interested in pureed foods, and I never really pushed them.
Parenting is just one of those things that you have to do for your self. There will always be someone telling you that you have it wrong, and others that think you walk on water. Mommy wars are the worse. I think even the most stoic can fall into the habit. There will always be someone who brings it out in you. When you feel it rising up, move on and find a group that is a better fit.
i’m hispanic, not mexican! lol. the majority of hispanics aren’t mexican. i am south american. in my area of origin babying is not the norm.
i did live in mexico city for five years as a kid. we had a nanny … but then again, we’re not mexican. most of the mexican girls i went to school with, though, i think were also not babied much, although i can’t promise that. it might be regional; maybe in the cities kids are expected to be more mature.
Yeah, sorry about all the breastfeeding rambles. Last one, I promise.
@Chaos There actually are benefits to nursing even at age three. It’s still a boost for the immune system, and it still provides easy to digest nutritional value. It’s especially awesome when you have a gnarly stomach bug move through your house. Sometimes human milk is the only thing they’ll take in or hold down and it can make the difference between working through an illness at home or having a hospital stay.
I totally agree with everyone about her holding Natali back. I’m sure I make a lot of choices that are the same or similar to hers, but I want my kids to be independent and grown up. She doesn’t seem to want this. I’m not sure why.
LOL, sorry, I read Hispanic and saw Mexican.
I think city life is different. More pressure to be “western” and to keep up with the Jones’.
THANK YOU ESTELLA!
With respect and I do know how threads can ramble off and plead guilty myself. Thank you for getting back to Natali; really, I get both sides of the bf issue but IMO this was enough:
“There actually are benefits to nursing even at age three. … ” If someone wants to learn more, present their side etc. there are forums for that (you could include a link) and those interested will go there. I come here to read about T&T. I hope you take that as just a talking/clarifying point on my part; I am certainly no social arbiter.
Wow, went on to a thread discussing Justin’s arrest and was shocked at the hateful comments at him being gay. Fari play to critique him on foul language, allegations (couldn’t ascertain how valid these were) etc. but to slay him about being gay? Terrible. Also, LOL! His hair actually looks OK in his mugshot! So WTF was up with his hair on the show?
Fari play=fair play
haha; Freudian slip?
My captcha is let go
Let’s stop talking about breastfeeding. I was excited to see 56 comments, then dissapointed when I saw what the comments were about. Sorry Jus Sayin!
ooh, I wonder at which point there will be more comments about not talking about breastfeeding, than comments doing so.
Thank you lovethecrazies! This is a snarky recap site- I really don’t want to read any nonsense trying to justify shoving your boob in a CHILD’s (not a baby’s!!) mouth!
As Sweet Brown says- “ain’t nobody got time for that!”
Our time can better be spent trying to figure out what the hell was going on with Justin Fierce’s hair! Sweet guy but it looked like he had his granny’s pantyhose shoved up under that headband!
Ok, I’m lost Justin was arrested?
In my defense, you guys started it, talking about how nasty and wrong and whatnot. lol
I’m not understanding why they have two coaches for Ariana. I think that Justin was perfect, why bother with another? She also seems to be going through her awkward phase. I’ve always envied those with small features, but I think they need to find a makeup style to make hers pop.
I did love Natali’s look. The wide spaced eyes, I know they’re not considered a beauty thing, but I like them. They give her face and gaze a real uniqueness. I also loved her hair and complexion, but I’m partial to redheads. She’s just a doll, and she actually reminds me of my favorites by Sylvia Natterer.
The last little girl was very, very pretty. I think it’s gone to her head and her mother needs to step in and bring her back down to earth. I would have lost it if she was my child saying that at a pageant. That would be the end of the pageant day. I’m a little cynical, but I’m wondering if her comments to the little girl had anything to do with race. Her mothers refusal to really intervene felt like agreement to the statement. I don’t know if that makes sense.
I’m still thinking Ariana’s grandma’s comment about seeing people say Ariana was going to grow up to be a serial killer was a shout out to our Dear Crabby, lol. In all seriousness though, they seem like a good family. None of the families were too crazy this week. Alyssa’s mom should have put a little more behind the “that’s naughty” when she was telling the other girl she wasn’t as pretty, but it’s just that age. My 5 year old nephew tells other kids he is smarter than them all the time. Even though he gets sternly corrected when he doesn’t. I think he is just used to hearing how smart he is and repeats it. I’m sure Alyssa hears how beautiful she is ( which is true, her eyes were GORGEOUS!) all the time.
As for Natali, I applaud her dad for letting her go up on stage alone when she wanted to. If her mom wants her to be more outgoing she has to start learning to let go just a bit. She did well for her first time on her own.
The director was cracking me up with her comments about the announcer, bet she’s going to be slightly embarrassed when she watched the episode though.
Justin was arrested and pled innocent for domestic assault; you can google; I couldn’t find a verdict.
Estella; I wondered why they had two coaches as well; why not just stick with one or the other? Unless Justin is not in their town so couldn’t give weekly practices. Or was in jail
http://mugshot-catalog.com/booking/326005/Justin-Mayle
I liked Natli’s look as well; her OOC was adorable!
Estella, yes the wide apart eyes thing; made me think though of Jackie Kennedy and no one can dispute her good looks even if you don’t care for the look. I agree too that the mother of mean girl was condoning her nasty comments ;( Not pretty and I had liked her prior even laughing at the kick in the crotch comment but after seeing the mean girl I knew she was getting some awful overheard comments in her household.
Dallasboo–spot on description of Justin’s hair; granny’s pantyhose LMAO. But I can’t get over that his hair looks cute on his FB and fer cryin’ out loud EVEN his mugshot but he shows up with that braid rapunzel/hairband a la Piggly Wiggly mascot that jutted so noticeably into his real hair. Just weird. Also, I thought his makeup was nice and suited his features especially his eyes but then he was wearing that terrible shirt that just accentuated the belly. Justin–get TLC to give you your own show so we can clear up these mysteries! What’s everyone’s guess as to how Cooch and Justin would get along? I think Justy is so cool he’d just flip his hair, flip his fingah dahling and sashay away away. He’d be above her leetle mind leetle trash.
Posts about bf exclusively: 26
Posts about stopping bf posts: 6
hehe; just being a devil
I’m sure it was a nod. I wonder if TLC would blur out any references to this site, like if DC ever went to one of Tonya’s pageants, would the “Hi Gasmi!” shirt get blurred out?
Someone who knows us and makes it on the show has to do something… blocks in the corner of the room or a child’s drawing or something that says gasmi or DC.
If you go back and reas the recap ceom when Ariana was first on, Crabby didn’t write that one. Flipit did.
I missed the part about the director getting hot and bothered by the MC.
I believe Ariana’s grandma said they were usuing Justin for the Pageant cause her other coach was unavailable…I have to give Grandma some credit. I know I said it before, but after crowing she was so happy with where Ariana placed. As long as Ariana was happy that made her happy. We don’t see much of that after crowning!
Looking forward to Crabby’s full recap.
Looks like my statement went in the wrong direction. I did not want that to happen. I also didnt need the sixty or so lectures. Again I am a grown woman and If I am blessed with a child I will do what I believe is right. If you want to lecture me more–take it to the forums. I migh read them. But probably not!!
Lets get back to the snark!!
Ah, so a Flipit shout out instead, lol. I just read the recap and watched the episode the other day but I’ve been doing a marathon so they all kind of start rerunning together. I just remembered the serial killer commen with the way she wante to gut the deer.
Yeah, TLC has been running marathons on the weekends…It would be nice if they throw in the episode from the week too.
Sorry about the typos!! My smart phone, yeah not so smart!!
Breast feeding debate? Really? Where’s my snarkiness?
@Estella, If one of us were to go to a pageant that was being taped by TLC I am not sure that we would wan to broadcast that we are fellow Gasmi! Some of those moms have it out for us! Now, I don’t know why, because we are all entitled to our opinions…Some of the mothers out there are really cool, and have come on and commented with us… I am friends with one on Facebook. Some of the other mom’s well they want to sic the FBI Internet Division on us, because you know, we have opinions and may have call their child a brat or something! Those same particular mom’s think we are all fat, uneducated, ugly, unemployed child predators. Those mom’s fall into the Delusiona Pageant Mom Category. If you have the time, go back and just read some of the comments, it is crazy!!
There are some of the girls that I would really like to see go head to head for UGS, just to see what the mom’s would do when their perfect Pageant Princess only brings home Division Queen! Now That would be a pageant I would pay to go to!
I will do my best to limit any future breast feeding commentary or related ‘squickiness’ therein.
After this….
@beebs, a child who is breast fed after the point where most believe is socially acceptable is ‘separated from their peers’ by having a questionable childhood experience. Other children will not understand the proposed benefits of long term nursing, or that the issue lies more in a mother’s inability to ween the child: only that their peer is different and weird. Not to mention 3.5 is an age wherein most children assert their independence from mom and dad. I can’t imagine excessive nursing time would not skew that child’s perspective on independence, thus further alienating them from children they may seek as playmates or peers. That’s what I mean by ‘separating them from peers’ ie, a negative social distinction; not physical.
Ariana: grandma seems to try very hard, but consistently misses when it comes to the attire. I don’t believe she’s cutting corners…she just seems to be the guardian of extremely bad taste in beauty wear. I also thought Ariana was going through a pretty severe awkward stage, but in all fairness 7-17 were terrible years for Penny Ruxpin and I can sympathize. More notable was Ariana’s mimicry of ya-ya. I thought it was sweet that she thought her great grandmother to be funny enough to imitate, but cannot imagine that goes over well with the other kids. It’s one of those personality types that is hilarious for a tipsy 75 year old, but kind of off putting on a 7 year old. Props though for decreasing the murderous impulses.
Alyssa: I thought Alyssa’s babbling was hilarious…Less hilarious was her unprovoked attempt at shit talking her fellow flamenco girl. Mom should have put a stop to that immediately instead of weakly chastising from the sidelines. I was appalled by her mother’s explanation of ‘sometimes she gets into the I’m prettier mood’ or similar bullshit excuse. That means this isn’t the first time she has launched into another contestant’s appearance with no punishment or parenting applied. I hope the next little girl she attempts to talk smack on tears Alyssa’s self esteem to shreds (like her mama’s fat ass tears pants). Yeah, I’m making a ‘yo mama’ joke.
Natali: poor kid. So cute, and so clearly on the road to a lifetime of unresolved issues.
Is it just me, or did all the girls look noticeably worse after hair and makeup? I hated Natali’s winged shadow and Ariana’s chola lips…Alyssa’s makeup covered her natural mean girl cuteness and made her look like a Real Housewife of New Jersey. Bad makeup artist! Bad! I never ever support a natural look…I don’t know what’s real anymore.
@ hater of niki, I snarked pretty hard on Nancy… Does that count? I did my very best to be ‘ultimate grand supreme of taking an emotionally disturbed woman down a peg online, with pineapple’. Unrelated note, I was wearing a sash while doing so.
@Penny Ruxpin–LMAO! Git it Gurl!
I like Alyssa’s Flamenco Wear. It was pretty cute, I swear I watched the episode! But I missed all the trash talking she did, and the PD horny for the MC…All I seem to remember about Alyssa was her saying that she would kick someone in the crotch if they stole her crown…
@Penny, I totally get what your saying, but the thing is that kids are pretty awesome at understanding differences until about age six. And luckily where we live, nursing isn’t that uncommon. We had a neighbor five months older than my oldest who was still nursing when he weaned. Nursing a three year old is completely different than nursing an infant. They really don’t nurse much at all unless they are sick or upset. Most of their friends never quite catch on.
I can’t wait to see the full recap.
I’m sure it’s been mentioned,but Yaya is wearing a Steeler hat. Mt Morris is rigt on the SWPA/WV border, so I’m sure the family are Steeler fans. As a transplanted Pittsburgher, the accents of that family in this episode brought me right back home. Loved them so much.
@penny ruxpin — oh, geez, the chola lips. i’ve also noticed them on some prior contestants (including the one whose head looked like a pineapple). hate! i went to high school in miami in the late ’90s/early 2000s, so i remember much chola lip going on when i was in 9th grade … luckily, it seemed to die down a lot shortly after. i also remember the cropped white t-shirts, huge jean overalls, and men’s boxers (on the girls) showing under the overalls that went with them. ewww. i hope this was mostly a miami (and probably l.a.) look.
and on a different note: pennsylvania swamp & backwood people scare me. i drove across pennsylvania once into cleveland (started out in north jersey) and it got pretty creepy in some parts.
@ellemenop– that style was in when I graduated. I am a white girl and I will honestly say I wore the baggy overalls but not with the boxers!! Body suits or I guess they would be onsies were big so That is what was worn…man when I have kids they are going to be like wtf mom!!
When I was Ariana’s age I was definatley in that akward stage! Pretty much until high school then everything kind of evened out. Once I had to get braces I asked for contacts!! That was the final straw for me. I was 14 when I got braces. Those 4 yrs of hs were brutal. I wouldn’t say I was bullied but kids were mean back then. .
Then again I was bullied by one of the Pharmcists I worked with a few years ago, and she is a couple years older then me…
How the hell does anyone have milk for 3 years? Mine dried up at 7 months and I was happy, happy! By then my daughter had teeth, and she latched on one night…Yikes, my husband had to help disengage her, it hurt like hell!
Anyhoo, breast feeding stories bore me, so to move on- Can someone tell me who the gigantic hair and makeup lady is? She’s been on before. She looks like hell, yet she seems to do a pretty nice job on the girls. I haven’t seen the entire show yet, hopefully get back tomorrow, so I can be ready for the full recap.
@thisbuggs4u — i hope that the accompanying extra crusty hair gel with the curls once it simmered down weren’t a part of the ensemble. i do think it was miami girls (from coral gables, so rich girls) trying to be all “ghetto” and “badass.” it was a gross look, though. sooo much hair gel. sadly, i did think they were scary, but that’s because my awkward stage still hasn’t ended!!!
and bullies come in all ages! i was recently bullied by someone whom i had been friends with for a long time who suddenly decided she hated me and started sending me all sorts of nasty facebook messages and posting shit about me (i hadn’t even talked to her in over a year, mind you). i actually wish i’d kept her messages, because i later found out (she’s married to a “celebrity” in her field of work) she also got professionally called out for doing similar things to some random woman for trying to talk to her husband on his fb page (and by talk i mostly mean leaving fan comments). i would have gladly brought it to attention if my friend had shown me the article about it before i deleted everything and blocked her. i believe she is 36, so quite a few years older than i am, too. bullies don’t age out at a specific age!
Oh, yes @elemenop, the hair gel! Then again, I went through a perm phase!! I swear the last time my hair was at it’s natural color was when I was about 15….so 18 yrs ago. Yes for me 94-98 were very meh for me. I was friends with everyone..Where I went to high school well there were 2 in my city. One was mostly rich kids mine was a cross between the rich kids and the hicks. Some of us had to travel 30 minutes to get to school! There is 1 middle school out there and 2 elementary schools. So HS was very clique because they ALL knew each other.
If Alyssa is like this now, I wonder what she is going to be like on the playground! If mom isn’t doing anything now, she sure as hell isn’t going to do anything later, except maybe tell Alyssa to punch her in the face instead of kick em in the crotch..
There is nothing wrong with a child having breasted milk at 3 or even 8 but DAMN! AT LEAST PUMP THAT SHIT AND GIVE THEM A CUP. THAt is waaaaay TOO OLD to be sucking on mama’s boob.
Capcha: up to 10hours comfort. Lol
Oh please tell me that Sebastian “Those judges are crooked” the Hairdresser is part of Ariana’s entourage!
Perhaps we should call her NatalE. Or just E to be spiteful.
Women who breastfeed tell you they do so because it’s “natural.” Okay. Great. Now follow that with moving your child to SOLID FOOD once they have teeth, because I’m pretty sure that’s the “natural” thing to do.
@cattyfan, we could call her Nataleeeee just because you know, that is the fun and snarky thing to do
Snarky! Yeah!!
im agreeing with cattyfish. Do the natural and move to solid food! Teeth are for chewing.
they seek comfort, not because are hungry. of course they also eat solid food.
Does anybody even remember the comic, Judy Tenuta?
Anyway, one of her jokes: “I went to nursing school for three years and they kicked me out. ‘Cause my milk dried up.”
Give them a hug for comfort for cryin out loud!
Hey, I’ve got nothing against breast feeding. To each their own. It’s up to the mother how long she does it. A hug is a wonderful way to show comfort and love. Just sayin.
STFU about breastfeeding already.
I agree! Sorry! The comfort thing about comment got to me and couldn’t help myself.
THANK YOU !!! VICTORY !
I agree. Sorry people! The comment about breast feeding for comfort sake pulled me in.
Tens signs that your kid has been breastfeeding too long:
10. Child can now open your blouse by himself.
9. The kid starts burping up silicone.
8. Child has developed a bad habit of flicking his tongue.
7. Child keeps slipping dollar bills in your belt.
6. Child demands that you express for his cafe latte.
5. Your birth control pills interfere with his acne medicine.
4. After each session, you both have a smoke.
3. Child invites his friends over for dinner.
2. You feel an uncontrollable urge to hear ”Dueling Banjos.”
1. Beard abrasions on boobs.
Sorry to bring it up, but i am amazed at all the misconceptions about breastfeeding here! Pro-longed breastfeeding doesn’t mean the kids isn’t getting solids, she is 3.5, the kid wouldn’t be able to survuve on breast milk alone! She would be feeding once, maybe twice a day.
Some of you sound like clueless school girls with your “ewww breastfeeding” , I thought commenters here were all pretty wise and reasonable. Wise enough to not get your knickers in a knot over someone who chooses to still breastfeed, at an age it is actually still recommended.
Breastfeeding is a personal choice!
@crankyguy,
Inviting school friends over for milk and cookies takes on a whole other meaning…
“Here is your glass of milk, Sue and here is yours Bobby”. Here ya go Junior, don’t make a pig of yourself in front of your friends, mind your manners” .
TC, Robin
Oh crankyguy, you made my day. Thank you so much for that! Too bad it wasn’t further up the comment line so that possibly the discussion could have been derailed much sooner!
As to the episode, did anyone else think the MC pronounced Natalie’s name weird? It was like the letter “T” was really emphasized? However, I’m from Texas so maybe I’m more accustomed to the consonants being a little softer. It just totally bugged me every time he introduced her.
Being a shy person now, and totally shy as a kid, I cannot imagine a greater horror than if my mom had decided I needed to go on stage in front of people to cure my shyness. I would have had that same “deer in headlights” look and probably wet my pants just a little. I would have been so miserable. Thankfully, my mom just let me be myself and loved me anyway and didn’t force me to try to be outgoing. Yay mom!!!!
Hey guys- my family was on the show a few years ago, and you all went pretty easy on us (mainly because we had a batshit crazy mom in our episode so we really didn’t stand out much. – Thank you
We were at this pageant and my kids were shown quite a bit this time. Anyway, the hair and makeup woman is named Amber Miller. She is a super nice woman that also makes pageant dresses that are constantly winning.
Justin is a pretty funny guy, but if his clients don’t win, he’s worse than PMSing pit bull.
Ariana and her family are really great people. They’re friends of mine (im really giving myself away now, I think) lol.
Anyway, can’t wait to read the recap and hopefully ill avoid having my picture on there this time.
@crankyguy – I was just about to come on and complain about the breast feeding crap still being posted here and saw your comment. Hi.Lar.I.Ous!! Thanks for the laugh!!
If there are this many bf comments on the recap I’m going straight to the teat attached to the 4 litre cardboard box by my side instead of my usual sipping from a straw. I wish Justin would come on here and clear up the hair mystery.
The thread did what it was supposed to do. It evolved and made room for a bunch of good snark material.
Dear Crabby is also one of my top all time fav recappers and we are about to hit 100. All is well that ends well
TC, Robin
Justin is wearing a wig. I have seen him with it and without it.
@ Sam,
Ummm.. whats up with the cardboard box? It has teats? Not judging..just curious
TC, Robin
BOOBIES !!
@Robin-The boobies comment made me laugh out loud and spit my cereal out. Well played Robin, well played.
Would everyone quit being “sorry to bring it up” about the Fing breast feeding bullshit and just NOT bring it up? Shut the hell up about it! We DON’T CARE!!
clearly, someone cares!
capuchin: “thirty one days,” which is about how long I will be breastfeeding.
@lovethecrazies — YOU don’t care is about all you can really say. As for me, I care. I care so very much.
@crankyguy – you are right, I don’t give a shit. This is supposed to be a snark site about Toddlers and Tiaras, not the League or Lactating Losers. Luckily I found a way to unsubscribe from this thread so I don’t have to keep reading this crap. Hopefully everyone I’ll get it out of their system before the recap comes up.
I did enjoy your top ten, at least it was funny!
Wow. I’m really sorry I apologized. I was just being innocent. Ha! Love the snarkiness. But some people get alittle cranky if the discussion isn’t going their way. Just waiting the the recap. Shall we start the breast feeding discussion over then?
perhaps dear crabby can consider doing a recap of the breastfeeding comments vs complaint about comments war.
@lovethecrazies,
“Shut the hell up about it! We DON’T CARE!!”
You got a mouse in your pocket?
Gosh, I would expect someone with a cool username like “lovethecrazies” to be a bit more tolerant ;}
Twas # 100 darnit. And I have the screen shot to prove it!
Not really, I don’t know how to do a screen shot. But if I did, it would show BOOBIES for 100!
Robin; I meant my box of wine; this bf to-do is making me want to attach a nipple to the spout so I can somehow be part of it since I don’t care or I’d go to a damn bf site; generally I just insert a straw through the box side and tip the spout directly into my mouth once it’s down to the last 10%.
Justy wears a wig? So that’s why his hair looks good on his FB page. But his mugshot was a man’s hair, dark, waves with blonde in the front and looked OK given that he looked disheveled as well.
Guess I’m a little cranky. Mom wasn’t here to whip out her boob for my midnight snack.
@Sam
Whew! I am so glad it is a box of wine. I got worried there, for a min. ;}
TC, Robin
@lovethecrazies – HAHAHAHA! Hopefully she’ll get back soon – you are probably thirsty.
Damn – I was trying to stay out of the breast feeding frenzy – I was impressed that we hit over 100 in a mini, but if we take away all the “Give breastfeeding a chance, you troglodytes!” comments, there are probably only about 37 1/2 comments on the show.
@lovethecrazies,
LOL! See? I knew you had it in you to snark about boobies. You were just in a bad mood and feeling contrary!
TC, Robin
breastfeedingbreastfeedingbreastfeedingmoogoesthemommycow.
I’m with WOW. Seriously, I thought most of you guys would get it and not be in the EEEWWWW crowd.
Hugging is nice, and it is awesome, but it doesn’t knock an overtired preschooler out in 29.3 seconds.
Solid food is awesome, too. But just as you don’t yank the bottle at seven months when they have teeth and start to nibble on food, you don’t yank the boob.
And as far as having milk or not, I can tell you that it’s barely there. I couldn’t express it and put it in a glass without serious effort. When it is there, they nurse more. My youngest are less than two years apart, and my son was oh so very close to weaning when sis came along. Then all of a sudden he wanted to nurse all the time. It was a pain, but on the bright side I think they could only be closer if they were twins.
And really, how much grosser is a child of normal, physiological nursing age still nursing is than adults who drink the milk of a whole other creature?
Did y’all see the forums are back? Take the fucking breastfeeding debate over there!
Both sides are valid I just don’t want to read them. I don’t have kids and I don’t care.
I thought Natalie was adorable. I think her mom did start getting a clue that she was getting a little independent. She was so cute when she smiled and was so proud of her crown in her talking head segment.
Estella; again, with respect, enough about the bf. There are forums for that; I come here to snark on T&T. There is no “eeewwww” factor from this mom who nursed but you know what? If others feel it uncomfortable they can discuss it on a breastfeeding forum. It is NOT ABOUT THE EUUUWWW FACTOR. I doubt anyone here has anything against good cooking but I don’t discuss the finer points of chacuterie here; I have a forum I go to for that. If I wanted someone here to participate in an ongoing discussion about cooking, I would provide a link.
aaaarrrrgggghhhh and BTW there is a T&T forum sans breastfeeding at Television Without Pity.
Justin’s hair is driving me nuts! I really wish he would come on here.
Television without pity is good, I read that one two, but this site has more colourful characters!
Well said Sam!! Where can I find all the info on Justin? Don’t remember his name. Was he actually on this site? What fun!!
No, he hasn’t been on this site but I keep throwing it out there hoping it will entice him; he’d see how most (all?) comments about him are positive. Even the hair WTF is just that; WTF? Quizzical rather than Are You Out of Your Loony Mind.
Way back, I posted a link on his mugshot somewhere amongst the topic we don’t want to shove down anyone’s throat again; he is also on FB under Fierceby Justin I think. Maybe he doesn’t want to get into the arrest thing but there are two sides to every story Justy and we’d love to hear your take just on pageants. OH Justin … I nominate him along with Tonya for best bet for an entertaining drink or two. And Michael, always Michael.
Thanks Sam for the info. I’ll look him up. I’m new to all this and this was first time seeing him. Looks like he’s very passionate about what he does. And is quite good from little I saw. The hair was alittle different but I’ve seen worse. If anyone wouldn’t mind helping a newbie…when do the full recaps come out?
I do want to know how he gets his hair like that and why! Because who does that? There has to be some reason!
Is it all real? Extensions? If it is real, must have been a bitch to wait so long for it to grow long enough to braid and wrap around. I want to know if it is colored professionally – my gut feeling is yes, but only because if I tried to dye just my bangs I’d look like a friggin’ dalmatian because I’d get it all over and I’d be all spotty. Please, Justin Fierce, let your Google Alert pick this up so you can come and play with us!
Can we ban the phrase \just sayin?\ I’d rather read about lactation than see that stupid ass phrase again.
Oh sorry – I see that my quote marks didn’t work.
LOL, it’s not just you. I tried to quote and it didn’t work for me. There must be a code or a trick we don’t know.
Checked out Justin. Didn’t realize that was his hair that was braided in front. He sure is bashed in a few places on the web. I enjoyed watching him. Saw his Facebook page. Invited him to join. Lol. We’ll see if he does.
Guess I’m not understanding why people are trying to guide/ban people from what they talk about or what phrases they use. Please correct me if Im wrong, and Im sure you will, but is this not an open board of discussion? Since I am a newbie, are there any other things that I should not bring up or other phrases that are banned from use? I certainly wouldn’t want to offend.
Again I will ask. When do the full recaps usually get posted? Looking forward to seeing the comments.
@Hater – just don’t bring up K-Mart or Hostess as we are all WalMart and Lil Debbie fans here. Boxed wine is okay to mention, too. Mini-caps are required by the day after a show is aired, but recaps are when the ‘capper can get them done, but in a timely manner. Some cappers go ahead and write the full recap the next day, but others have to work it into their schedules. As a capper myself, I can tell you that we are all doing this gratis and for the satisfaction of snarking about our fave shows with all of you. We all have other jobs and writing a recap takes longer than most of you may think. Crabby is awesomeness and a real pro, so the full recap will probably be up even before I end this diatribe. PS – WELCOME TO THE GASM!! The more the merrier!!
(And come check out Million Dollar Listing, New York when it comes back on (=shameless shelf-promotion)
*SELF-promotion – egads what an epic fail!
@S-Natch — Hostess is bankrupt and out of business. Just sayin’.
@Hater of Coach Nikki — see what I did there? The object lesson is to pay self-appointed board police no attention.
Recaps usually go up on the weekend and I know they take some work
I hated as I said waaaay above that Justin was bashed for being gay on the net; the other allegations I couldn’t ascertain as true but fair game IMO if he is ripping people off etc. so that anyone engaging his services can be cautious. If I was a pageant mom, I’d sure want him; he is so nice, supportive, knows his shit but I can’t OK that orange outfit he liked.
I think anything is fair game from wine in a box to potty training to taming zebras to push wagons as long as it pertains to an episode of T&T. That’s just my view. I come on here for insight (such as it can be for such a stupid show–but then we must provide that insight since we know most pageant moms aren’t capable of it) or snark on T&T or other shows on Gasm but go elsewhere for other topics.
I haven’t figured out how much profanity will be allowed here. And let me tell you it’s cramping my style.
“I haven’t figured out how much profanity will be allowed here.”
At least this much: Fuckity, fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck.
@Hater-Welcome to the Crazy
HAHAHAHA! You will get the Delusional Pageant mom that comes in and will rant about how we “treat” said child…Those are what I have deemed Delusiona. One got on my case after one recap, and I misspelled the word.. it has stuck with us since then.
S-Natch is right, we are all Lil Debbie, Wal-mart shopping T&T fanatics. The reason that the Forums have been brought into this mix is because that is where we used to go to discuss something other then the actual recap at hand. I guess next time I have a question or want to state something that I don’t understand I will just take it to the Forums. Last year the site crashed and the Forums are just now available to us again. That is why, in one of my previous posts I told someone that if they wanted to lecture me, they could take it to the forums, but I doubted I would further their lecture to me.
I made a simple “I don’t understand” statement, and it went down hill! I have already said I was sorry, and I will say it again!! and again and again.
But Really Ladies, can we just get back to the episode at hand and leave all the booby alone. …?
Thank you all for the info. Feeling more welcome now. And yes crankyguy, noticed and giggled!
S-natch, will check out your board. Your funny and snarkie, so will be following. I didn’t take in to consideration that the capper actually had another job but to entertain us.
Off to the store now to buy a box of wine, a straw, cereal, and little debs so I can be one of the gang! Thanks again. Appreciate all the camaraderie.
@hater – I am sorry, I didn’t intend to attack one person. Let me just say this, if your moniker reference is to the awful Nikki of T&T, please know that she uses the just sayin’ phrase and other passive-aggressive phrases.
@crankyguy – oh shoot, where is my badge?
@crankyguy-LMAO!!
@Sam-umm, well I think that some of us tone down the profanity in this particular recap because you know it is mostly about children, well until their mom’s come in and start spouting drivel. Now if you are in say a Real Housewife recap, that is much different!
@Hater-Do you have 2 screen names? Cause Now I am confused!! I see there are posts from Hater of Coach Nikki and there is a Hater of Nikki. If there are 2 of you I don’t want to get the 2 of you mixed up!
@thisbuggs4u. I’m both, I had the hater of Nikki and realized I should probably expand on who I referenced so added the coach. The site puts me under both names at times. Don’t get it. As for the just sayin…I will never, ever, use again! Ew!
@Hater, ok
When you first started posting, I knew who you were talking about…You know another phrase that can take a hike with “just saying”, is that stupid redic “it is what it is” I effing hate that…but you can’t take away, “sparkle baby”, “git it gurl”, and “pretty feet!” Although I can go either way with “Rock that Stage”
@thisbuggs4u — I have noticed that the profanity IS toned down quite a bit on the T&T threads compared to the rest of the board, at least by the regular Gasmi. But, when angry pageant moms show up to defend their babyeeees, then THEY are the ones to ramp it up to previously unknown levels. Brandi from RHOBB might make a good pageant mom in that regard.
“PMSing pit bull” Now THAT’S an image!!
As for Hostess, I am still grieving over the loss of Twinkies…although my (enabling) husband searched high and low and found the last two boxes in a three county area for me. They’re in the freezer. I LOVE frozen Twinkies, but I’m parceling them out slowly. He bought the last two boxes of cupcakes two, but sadly, those are long gone.
Lol. Gotta love the mama’s. there are some crazies out there!
*RHOBH — damn typos
@cattyfan — Little Debbie makes an ersatz Twinkie, and I think a Twinkie factory may be sold off and be put back in production eventually.
@cattyfan — I thought twinkles were being acquired by another manufacturer and would be produced under another brand? then again, I’ve never had a Twinkie in my life, so it wasn’t important news to me. I may have misunderstood.
@ellemenop — several months ago, I saw a story on the news where the reporter was on the streets of Manhattan with a couple of boxes of Twinkies, looking for people who had never eaten one. Most all of the foreign tourists that she got to try one thought that there were really good. I’ve had maybe four or five Twinkies in my life, and I don’t miss them that much, although knowing I can’t get them anymore makes me want one more than I ordinarily would.
The only part of Hostess I miss are the pies and Zingers. I never jumped on the twinkie and ho-ho wagon because I prefer Little Debbies. Besides, Hostess was always on the top shelves at the WalMart, so I could only reach the Little Debbies when I was sitting on my Rascal.
Zingers are Dolly Madison.
I don’t know why I like frozen Twinkies so much…we all have our weaknesses.
Dolly Madison was owned by Hostess and is gone (temporarily maybe?). Same with Wonder bread. Very sad – I loved Zingers but for some reason I never got them. I think it’s because they were so much more expensive than my dollar box of Little Debs.
Vanilla Zingers go great with a nice frosty glass of breast milk – just sayin’
Oh no! Look what you have done!
I just poured over all the comments, having been offline for a few days. Amazing what you miss when you aren’t checking TVGasm on a regular basis.
@crankyguy – just have to say (notice how I changed it around?) how much I love you and your comments! Make me laugh every time.
I have never watched T&T but absolutely love to read these recaps and the comments that follow. You guys have made my morning complete…
About Natali (without the E) She is very well taken care of . The comment about breastfeeding to help her win the pageants was taken out of context by TLC from 2 totally different conversations. She doesnt breastfeed on a regular basis. She is absolutely adorable inside and out!!!!
wait, so she only gets breastfed on special occasions as some sort of energy drink? holy crap, that’s Ben more disturbing and hilarious.
@ellemenop,
Perhaps they use the breast milk in the Eucharist ceremony only on Sunday. In that case, your holy crap comment is understandable and would also be both disturbing and hilarious.
TC, Robin
You know who should add to the conversation of breast feeding? Johnny, the resident psychopath and Bloody Face 2 from AHS: Asylum. I think him and Lana Banana would love to prove the wonderful positives of breast feeding!
Her breastfeeding has nothing to do with the pageants and how well she does! Society sexualizes breastfeeding way to much!
haha!
I have a cousin on Facebook who just had a baby. She has been posting stuff about breast feeding now for about three months or more… anyway, here is her most recent offereing.
http://thebreastmilkbaby.com/
if I decide to breastfeed in 6 months, I will NOT be sharing that on Facebook!!! that’s reserved for here.
WAY TO Go mommy for still feeding that baby girl the very best! While she is older she is still growing and thats the best stuff for her. While its older then normal here in the us nothing makes it wrong or gross its all good.
Justin he was sooooo out there but i could totally seeing all the kids love him
The little girl not ever sure her name super cute but BRAT