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Wednesday, November 2, 2005
12:54 pm
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Oh Veronica Mars, you really do suck me in with that spell of yours. Most of the comments and the e-mail I get about the show are centered around me getting the Season 1 DVD so I can have a better appreciation for the show. I am sure it would be nice, but I don’t think you need to know the ins and outs of Season 1 to enjoy the show now. I know they aren’t the same show, but I never watched the first season of 24 until there was a marathon Labor Day of 2002, and even then, I never saw the first 8 or 9 episodes until a coworker let me borrow the DVDs a few weekends back. What I am trying to get at is that there is still time for you to get the fever and tune in. This week served up a lot of great high school backstabbing, and featured a blast from the past and a revelation that Veronica likes to oil up her boobs.The big fuss from last week, aside from the developments of the ongoing investigation into what happened on the bus, was that Nathan Woods introduced himself to Wallace. Meeting his father is a big deal because the only father that he knew was dead and buried in Cleveland. Sure it’s great to know your real dad, but in Wallace’s case, it means that his entire life was a lie. His mom tries to explain that his real father was a narcotics officer, but he got a little too much into his undercover work and came back to the house with guns and heroin. Hell, he still has that 1988 Michael Irvin-style bullet graze in the side of his head. And I know that it might have been hard to find a suitable actor, but considering how tall his mom is and now that we find out how tall his dad is, don’t you think Wallace would have been a little taller? He’s a baller and he has a good-looking girl and he calls her, but the evidence tells me that his dad would be about DL Hughley’s height.
Like many high schools and colleges around the country, Neptune was celebrating homecoming. And what better way is there for Veronica to embarrass Wallace and show how much she cares about him at the same time than nominating him for homecoming court? It’s the perfect idea! And you just know that somebody is going to nominate Veronica Mars. In fact the title of my post comes from one kid’s description of her. Veronica has quite the reputation in her school, and is actually pretty popular, which is rare for any show involving a teenager who fights crime. So many people think she is super nice, although there is a subset that could do without her name being mentioned all the time, and this includes Jackie and Logan and some random girl who says her ass could be a better homecoming queen.
I am going to start my Logan penis head comments early in this recap, so don’t complain, because you have been warned. Logan is still a penis head; I am sorry, but that fact cannot be disputed. I am sure the actor who plays him is a fine gentleman, but the fact remains that his head looks like a penis. That doesn’t mean he isn’t a good actor or that I hate him personally, it’s just the facts. As for Logan, maybe some of you peeps more familiar with the show can help me out. We glossed over a lot of Veronica’s breakup with Logan and get together with Duncan, so do you think Logan is over Veronica? Sure he had sex with the hottest woman in Neptune (I guess all of the Casablancas have left town now that they are poor?), and says he is so over her, but all of his hate is so fake, at least from my perspective.
Maybe Logan has a vagina head, and it looks like he just got his period.
Maybe I’m just a fanboi and think everybody should love Veronica, but most people eventually come around. Take Jackie (please!). I think she cares about Wallace, although she does seem out of his league, but she can’t stand that he is best friends with Veronica. Still, when the time comes, even she is able to sack up and ask for forgiveness, in exchange for a little help. Jackie went to a psychic and her credit card was declined, and she needs Veronica’s help solving the crime. Earlier in the season, Wallace played sleuth, but I guess now that he has Jackie, he doesn’t want to bother with those type of problems. His main focus now is keeping himself spongeworthy. Anyway, Jackie suspects that her friend Cora might have done it. The purchases are for things like candles and a leather jacket and a bunch of other things at the mall. Jackie is completely sincere when she says that she hopes Veronica finds that it isn’t Cora, because Jackie only has one friend in the school, and Cora is it.
When Alicia was talking to Wallace that morning, she had looked around for some documents she had in her living room. Apparently they were some historical documents including birth certificate and the like. They were missing, and she knew that Keith must have had them. She goes to his office and wonders why Keith took those things from her. I am wondering two things. First, how long did Keith expect to have them before she would notice and second, why is she keeping such important documents in an unlocked drawer in her living room right next to the front door? Isn’t that just asking for theft? These documents lead to an argument with Keith saying that she should have lied to Wallace, and Alicia saying that Keith is not the person to be giving parenting advice.
By the way, Nathan has not given up hope on Wallace. He meets him at the store where he works and tries to explain what happened. Alicia had told Wallace that Nathan had made a choice between fatherhood and his job, and he took the job, but that was not how Nathan said it went down. He said that he wanted to be a father but Alicia never gave him the choice. She moved away, didn’t leave a forwarding address, and the only way he knew she existed was through Wallace’s grandmother. To prove that he tried for so many years, Nathan shows Wallace letters that he had sent to her mom. All of them were “Return to Sender” in red writing that matched Alicia’s writing.
It looks like the nominations for homecoming king and queen came in and while Veronica didn’t make it, Wallace did. She did a lot more campaigning for him than she expected. Veronica’s boy Duncan was also nominated, and I have to say, I am not sure why Veronica is into him either. Maybe all of the Duncan lovers will now hate me, but Veronica seems like she wouldn’t be with somebody so stupid and nearly universally shallow. At least the little love war going on between Logan and Duncan is finished, or appears to be. Duncan offered Logan (who shares and feeds Jackie’s Veronica hate or envy or whatever you want to call it and even appears to be hitting on her) to come over to his hotel suite and have a golf tournament to build bridges. Ah, the life of an emancipated, filthy rich minor.
Although Jackie still doesn’t love Veronica, she is still depending on the girl to get some information on the credit card theft. Veronica bumps into Cora, who has a leather jacket and bag that look suspiciously like items that were charged on Jackie’s credit card. Having been Cora’s badminton partner in 9th grade, Veronica has no problem inviting herself to a little shopping trip with Cora, who says she bought all of her items at an outlet mall in Chatsworth.
In order to get a look at Cora’s closet, Veronica spills some coffee on her blouse and asks Cora to borrow a top. Wouldn’t you know it, there is a garment bag stuffed in the back of Cora’s closet, but when she opens it, she finds only a chicken suit from Oh Boyo Pollo. For those of you on the East Coast, there is a chain of restaurants called El Pollo Loco. While their commercials don’t feature a chicken suit, the actor who plays what is supposed to be some hot Mexican chicken grillmaster has such a bad Spanish accent, you would think that it’s not the chicken that is crazy, but the executives.
Still needing to figure out who stole Jackie’s credit card, Veronica goes to the only place on the list that is not at the mall. It turns out that place is the psychic that Jackie went to, who seems to have a lot of the items that were purchased with the stolen card, including what looks to be $500 worth of candles. Case closed, sort of, because why is Jackie going to a psychic? When Veronica asks Jackie, she says that her grandmother died two years ago and even if this woman who is telling her that her grandmother is in peace has about as much sense of reality as she does spirituality, it’s still a comfort. Veronica then shares with Jackie that she knows all about things that aren’t quite as advertised, and relates the story of how she purchased some MammoMax when she was a freshman in hopes of improving her bust. Veronica decides to be on the psychic’s show and pull a trick to show everybody else what a fraud this woman is.
There were a couple of big developments in the bus crash this week. The first we learned during the debate for sheriff between Lamb and Keith Mars. Keith was so happy that he said his campaign was on a gravy train with biscuit wheels, and we know the current sheriff is no match for Keith one on one, or at least that’s what we thought. It’s hard to imagine that Keith wasn’t prepared, but the sheriff threw him off when he said that Keith Mars pulled the bus driver over for a DUI stop many years ago, but let him go without writing him up. If the man had a DUI on his record, the school would have never hired him, and the crash never would have happened. Score one for the sheriff, who instantly made the race a dead heat with that statement.
Although the sheriff’s line of reasoning might make for some good headlines, it would be hard to prove what Keith did was criminal, or even if it directly related to the crash. If there was proof that the crash was not driver error, it would be a moot point. There was no proof of that concept until Veronica went to talk to Michelle, a girl who was on the psychic show who talked about the bus accident. Michelle was also feeling guilt because she skipped the field trip, and the psychic lady said her friend forgave her for not being on the bus. She also revealed to Veronica that she received a voice message right as the bus was going off the cliff. In the background, you hear a loud noise, which seems like an explosion, moments before the bus hits the guardrail and goes over.
Inspired by the way the Sheriff blindsided her dad, Veronica plants a listening device in his office. She used some Kane software letterhead she got from Duncan and forged a letter from Duncan’s dad to the Sheriff. In it was a beetle, supposedly a souvenir, but is actually what Veronica is going to use to listen in on the Sheriff. When she is home reviewing the recordings, she hears a conversation between Jackie’s dad, the star baseball player, and Sheriff Lamb. In this conversation, Lamb convinces Terrence to buy 1000 tickets to the policeman’s benefit, which we all know is going to a slush fund. As leverage, Lamb says that he has evidence of Terrence’s gambling problem, including stories of how he threw games to help people who bet on baseball.
That’s a lot of information to process all at once, but Veronica still has to take down Ms. Psychic. Personally, I don’t go to any psychic unless she is topless and has a third nipple. There’s just no way else you can be sure of the veracity of their statements. With help from Michelle, Veronica planted a bunch of false statements to a person backstage she knew was responsible for gleaning information and prepping the people in the audience who would be contacted. At first, things are going well. Veronica gets a laugh when the psychic starts talking about her fake dead uncle, but then things get personal and the psychic talks about Lilly and that Lily wants Veronica to stay away from her boyfriend, but really shouldn’t that have been stay away from my brother? Veronica is always shaken up about Lilly, but then she hears the psychic mention that she doesn’t need the MammoMax, and she knows that she was set up.
If there is any game that Veronica can play, it is revenge. Jackie has just upped the ante, humiliating Veronica in front of most of the town, but Veronica has a way to get back at her. If you piss off Veronica, the only thing you should be thinking of is BOHICA, because she’s going to get you and you’ll feel it. She makes a CD of Jackie’s dad talking to the sheriff about gambling with the intention of playing it at the homecoming dance. Before she can do that, Wallace comes over to see if she was OK, but more importantly, he wants her not to retaliate, because he really likes Jackie. When Veronica acts like she has the right, it really pisses Wallace off.
There is a point in time when any master/sidekick relationship is tested, and this is one of them. Veronica said that Wallace had to pick a side, and he had enough. He had always been there for Veronica without asking too much for himself. He gave up the nookie to help her out, and even though it was for money, his relationship with Veronica is straining his relationship with Jackie, but he still defended Veronica. Now, he just wants her to do one favor and let whatever beef she had with Jackie go. It’s Veronica’s world and he just lives in it, but you would think that for once she would notice all of the things going on in his life and realize he needs more than just a homecoming nomination to sort his life out and feel good about what’s going on around him. After that, Wallace heads to Jackie’s to ask her why she did that to Veronica. She says it was supposed to be a punking and was just to take her down a notch and she didn’t tell anybody about Lily (but I bet Logan did…). Wallace says that he is not going to take her to the dance, and even though I have been wondering about how much Jackie cared about Wallace, she took some pills after he non-dumped her. If a guy or girl upsets you so much that you take drugs to deal with the pain of losing them, you may be in love.
Before heading off to the dance, Veronica plays the voice message for her father, urging him to use it in order to clear his name, but Keith refuses. He doesn’t want to use the emotions surrounding the deaths of those people to push his agenda, which makes him just about the only person on the planet with a sense of decency in that regard. He does, however, take the recording to the sheriff, hoping that Lamb will use this new evidence to help in his investigation. Unfortunately, Lamb is more interested in winning sheriff than helping people, and is not going to bother with anything that might help clear Keith Mars of wrongdoing.
Veronica is makes it to homecoming, and is enjoying herself, but when she sees that Jackie is dancing with Logan, she flips. I think that Jackie and Logan are just friends, and since Jackie doesn’t really have anybody to turn to, I think she was just happy Logan was there for her since Wallace sent her packing. I’m not saying that Logan wouldn’t hit it in her vulnerable state, but I’m not going to call him shady just yet, and it sure didn’t warrant storming over, separating the two of them and yelling at Jackie. Already Jackie can barely stand from whatever pills she took, but she is coherent enough to tell Veronica that she should just pick a guy and let everybody else live their lives.
The result of all of this? Wallace leaves with his dad. We aren’t sure where, but he is gone. His mother lied to him about his father’s letters and he feels betrayed. Veronica did give him some advice about the whole situation because she knows a lot about being raised by one parent, having the other parent leave you, and feeling lied to by the parent who stays because they wanted to protect you. She had all the same questions Wallace had, and her advice to him was that the one who sticks with you is the one who cares. Your father is a police officer, how could it have been that hard to track you down, especially when your mom hasn’t changed her name or yours? Still, Wallace is confused enough that he has to get away from it all, and Nathan Woods is giving him that chance. You can’t blame him for wanting to know more about his father; even if it means his mother was right about everything, sometimes you need to hear it yourself.
39 Comments
Maybe Logan has a vagina head, and it looks like he just got his period. I couldn’t stop laughing. Plus any recap that fits in Seinfeld and Mallrats references deserves an A+ in my book. Great job J-Unit.
I feel sorry for Wallace, I don’t think Jackie is that attractive, and I agree that Logan still has feelings for Veronica.
I don’t like your Veronica Mars recaps…you always get something (or several)wrong and it is very annoying. I guess I’ll just stop reading.
lamb did more than convince jackie’s pop to buy 100 tix, he blackmailed him. you soft-pedaled a bit there. anyway, i agree with you JUnit: veronica is too hot for duncan or logan, both of whom are complete douchebags. however, id di like logan’s moustache twirl from last week.
but, coming in just under the wire, huh? tonight’s episode is only 4 hours away. Left coast slacker.
Ed,
Yes, with the Kill Reality thing last week and halloween partying on the weekend, I got behind. My friends never let me use “I am writing for TVgasm” as an excuse to stay inside, even though I’ve been sick as a dog for a week. Hopefully, this week’s episode will be up be Saturday or Sunday.
I love love love this show – despite the donut and the penis head- its hard to pick sides. Personally, I prefer the penis head but the donut was cute and believable this episode. I didn’t see it coming.
So here’s my question – did Jackie hatch her plan to Punk Veronica before or after her card was declined at the Psychic’s? Does it even matter? She’s a punk either way.
Very nicely done…esp love the mallrats reference. Ok, Logan has a penis head, but I think the real point of his whole character is that he is borderline bad. Yeah, he does some pretty shady things, but being with Veronica actually almost makes him a good person. He wants to be better for her and you kind of have to love the guy for that. No, he is definitely NOT over her. Oh, and you should be off the hook for this week–I think tonights episode is a repeat of the season premier.
Tonight’s episode is a repeat, so don’t worry about another re-cap.
As for last week’s episode: it was one of the better episodes of this season. I really liked how Wallace got mad at Veronica for being a bit self-centred while he’s going through a lot.
I can’t stand Jackie. She needs to get over herself and stop being such a bitca. I guess she’s just another troubled, rich, spoiled kid in need of love.
Can’t wait until next week’s new episode!
P.S. Veronica needs to find a new boy toy. She needs to broaden her horizons.
jackie needs to go…theres a difference between being a bitch and still being a good interesting character (sherry palmer in 24) and shes annoying…i could care less about her. and hopefully this real dad wallace stuff isn’t paving the way for his exit, cuz with the rumor that a major character (male) on VM will leave the show…so basically its duncan (my vote) weevil, logan, or wallace…if they lose wallace, that’ll be tough…him and veronica go good together…the sexual tension thats there but isnt is always interesting and amusing. and im not sure if she needs a new boy toy…she runs the risk of being kinda slutty (logan, duncan, troy (early season 1) the police officer guy…but duncan sucks…hes about as good an actor as the guy who plays ryan on the OC and hes just not that interesting
I think Veronica is just looking out for Wallace and that is why she appears to hate Jackie so much, and who wouldn’t when she acts that way toward Veronica. Wallace is getting blinded by “love” (if thats what you want to call it) and is forgetting that Veronica has been his friend since he moved there and he just met Jackie. I hope Wallace doesn’t leave the show, it won’t be the same without him. Who knows?!
Veronica isn’t popular at all, the only reason people talk to her is because she’s with Duncan. The girl who was fawning over her was someone Veronica helped last season…
Also, Lily dated Logan for a long time, hence the “stay away from my boyfriend” comment, although she also had a brief fling with Weevil, and Logan’s dad, so who knows. And Wallace’s mom did change her name, from Cherie to Alicia. Sorry for being the anal police, but I really love this show!
People are harping about the first season for a reason. Because you’re getting your facts wrong. I know your recaps are supposed to have that “sarcastic edge” to them, seeing how that’s all the rage these days. But please, Lilly and Logan dated like foreve,r since junior high and that played a huge part in last season’s mystery and it’s still ongoing this season obviously since the pychic brought it up. That’s why Duncan and Logan shared a look.
I meant to say it’s still an ongoing plot point this season and it’s good to know this stuff.
But whatever…
I’m just wondering what’s up with the repeat last night lol.
*sigh* You got so many facts wrong. You should really watch the season one, or get at least someone who has watched the first season to proof read your recap before it’s published.
OK folks. Let’s get a few things straight here. First of all, saying that I got a bunch of things wrong and that you know so much better because you watched season one and I didn’t, does not make you a Veronica Mars genius. The whole point of having a comments section is to enlighten the class, so to speak, about things about things that I may have missed or questions that people had in the comments.
A lot of you have problems because you think I judged Logan too quickly. You seem to think that because I call him a penis head and a douchebag, I am missing some sort of insight that 23 more episodes of the show would have given me. I assure you, I would have called him a penis head had I seen his picture and knew nothing else about him. Seriously, look at that thing. It’s not my call, it’s just an unfortunate fact.
The girl who was fawning over her was someone Veronica helped last season…
See, this is helpful. For those of us who may have not seen all of season 1, or missed some parts, here is where a person would say something like “She likes Veronica because Veronica helped her solve the case of …. ” and then go on.
Perhaps calling Veronica popular was a bad call, and I guess I should have said “since she’s been dating these rich boys she seems to be more popular”. Is that mistake critical, I’m not so sure.
Also, Lily dated Logan for a long time, hence the “stay away from my boyfriend” comment, although she also had a brief fling with Weevil, and Logan’s dad, so who knows
My argument would be that Lilly should be telling her boyfriend to stay away from Veronica Mars, or perhaps they edit the show differently wherever Lilly happens to be watching. We know that Jackie told the psychic about MammoMax, we know that Jackie has shared her thoughts on Veronica with Logan, we know that Logan about how much Lilly and her memory affects Veronica, so that is why I floated the possibility that Logan had told the psychic about Lilly, because it is just the type of passive-aggressive thing that he would do to get back at Veronica because he’s too scared to tell her what he really feels, which is probably that he wishes she never left him.
Nice recap. I like seeing what someone who hasn’t seen season one thinks of the show and I see people have already brought you up-to-date on Lilly and Logan’s dating history and V’s popularity or lack thereof at Neptune. As for the psychic’s crack about V staying away from her boyfriend, IMO, Logan didn’t have anything to do with it. In the past, Logan has been pretty up-front about his feelings for Veronica, whether he was making her life hell at school or just making out with her. I agree, Logan wants Veronica back but he’d never use Lilly to get back at Veronica.
I figure it’s mostly likely that the psychic, knowing the story about the Lilly Kane Murder and Veronica’s relationship with both Lilly and Logan (since it would have been THE gossip over the summer) added the bit about staying away from “my boyfriend” for the ratings/publicity or Jackie set it up.
Logan SO wants Veronica back. She completes him.
Nice Skeelo Reference. Love your recaps, and although I know that you have addressed those who ask that you watch season 1 already, please take some time to do just that.
Here’s something I thought about while watching this episode: Veronica made a copy of the recording of the bus accident voicemail. Veronica made a copy of the audio of Lamb blackmailing Jackie’s dad and labeled it “homecoming request.” She left it laying on the counter when she and Duncan left her apartment. Her dad then took a disk to Lamb. What if Keith mixed them up and took Lamb a copy of the blackmail instead of the bus voicemail? This probably didn’t happen, because the plotline seems to be that Lamb isn’t going to investigate the crash, but if the disks did get swapped, then it’s going to look like Keith is blackmailing Lamb over his blackmail.
That’s just it though. Logan is not passive aggressive, in fact quite the opposite. And that’s usually what lands him in so much trouble most of the time. Where Duncan usually stands idly by, Logan is completely in your face and very impulsive more often than not in his actions.
And I agree to the other comment. He would never use Lilly that way. No matter what he might have learned about his Dad and her.
If you don’t like the recaps, don’t read them. There are other Veronica Mars message boards some where that will take you over critical ass in a heart beat.
Curtosy of the Snark-O-Tron 8300:
The best thing about Julia is that she has a zealous passion for really sucking the life out of a room.
I so hope that someone isn’t paying you for the slack work you do on these “recaps” – because my 11 year-old puts more effort into his assignments. You write only about the surface events; you demonstrate no awareness or understanding of these characters or their motivations. If you are actually spending any longer than 20 minutes on this crap, then I suggest you go back to (or finish) school – because you have missed the boat somewhere along the way.
What makes VM the best written show on televsion, in the history of ever, is its subtleties, its interpersonal dynamics, and its incredibly layered characterizations. Yet you consistently miss all of that. Even after 5 episodes you think that Veronica is popular? Are you actually awake while you watch?
I find your constant defensiveness about not watching the Season One DVDs to be arrogant and very telling. Here’s a thought – maybe it isn’t that everyone else is wrong and you are right. Maybe you are actually wrong here, and should recognize that, and put some effort into your job and do the research required to understand the show you are writing about.
Also, “penis head”? That was barely funny the first time. Your pathetic glee at being allowed to put a “naughty” word in print makes me wonder if you are actually 12, or just emotionally 12.
So if I think you are such a talentless moron, and believe me – I do, why do I care so much about what you write? Because I love this show and I want it to attract new viewers, and I worry that your boring, poorly written, downright wrong recaps while inspire pretty much no-one at all to try the show.
Aww, that hurt Snark O Tron and Quit Bitchin lol
And hey, I can enjoy a good, snarky recap just as much as the next person (twop anyone? but this stuff, no. It’s not even funny and the facts and character assumptions are way off. But if it floats your guys boats more power to you. Some people are easy.
J-Unit,
I am an avid Veronica Mars fan and I think it’s awesome that you are recapping it and I love your take on the show. I agree that it wouldn’t necessarily hurt to have someone who has watched the show read over your recaps for basic errors in terms of relationships, etc that are caused from not seeing last season, but if it doesn’t bug you then don’t. Please don’t let the rabid fans who are set on the show being seen and interpreted only their way make you stop recapping. The show is awesome and snarky, and I’m glad you’re hooked.
Brooke, don’t read it if it bothers you. People can have different ideas on television shows for chrissakes.
I like Logan as a character but I can see why you wouldn’t and I completely agree: total penis-head.
My, my isn’t everyone in a bit of a mood today. It’s a tv blog people. Let it go. If you don’t like it, don’t read it.
Here’s a basic summary of S1 events and revelations.
Pre-S1:
Logan, Duncan, Lilly, and Veronica were good friends.
Lilly is Duncan’s older sister and was dating Logan (who cared deeply about her).
Duncan was dating Veronica.
Duncan dumped Veronica because he found out she might be his sister (she isn’t), but didn’t even give Veronica a reason just the cold shoulder.
Lilly was murdered.
Veronica was date-raped at a party while she was drugged.
Veronica’s alcoholic mother abandoned them.
Veronica’s father lost his job as Sheriff for “bungling” Lilly’s murder investigation.
Veronica’s life became a living hell at school as she lost all of her friends.
S1:
Veronica discovers –
Aaron, Logan’s father and a movie star, abused Logan and is a cheating, psychotic hornball.
Logan’s mother killed herself.
Duncan has epilepsy and occasionally goes ape-shit.
Duncan was the one who “raped” Veronica, but says that it was consensual, which Veronica accepts. He was also drugged at the time.
The Kanes thought that Duncan had killed Lilly and paid Abel Koontz to take the fall.
Lilly was sleeping with Aaron. Aaron killed her because she threatened to make their affair public.
Aaron tried to kill Veronica and her father when they discovered the truth.
I still recommend watching the DVD’s because a summary doesn’t do it justice.
I wish they would bring Leo (the police officer) back. He wasn’t hard on the eyes.
Brooke,
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What I do find interesting is that somebody who appreciates the many layers of VM characters is so callous to think that the snarky writing has no purpose beyond just to offend, and in my prior missive, I stated the goal was to create a dialogue. The recap doesn’t end with my final punctuation, but when readers on the site have finished their discussion.
Penis head clearly will run it’s course, and I will freely admit I enjoy, with glee, the Pavlovian response that each mention of the phallic tete elicits.
callygirl,
Yes, that would have been great. I have been thinking that Lam is in on it somehow. I need a few more episodes to formulate a solid conspiracy, but I my conspiracy-dar has been going off whenever he is in the room.
defendingthegasm,
You know, not watching Season 1 was a choice. Sort of an experiment. Most people have the right attitude which is not that I am writing these recaps and I know more about the show than anybody else, but I am writing these recaps, I haven’t watched the show, but my opinions and insights will change as I am more enlightened.
And yes, I’ll watch Season 1 eventually, it’s really just a matter of finding the time.
Well since I have been misinterpreted by more than one person, I have to assume that my writing was not very clear or concise. For that, I apologize. And I’ll try to clear things up:
J-Unit:
Your snarky writing is not what “offends” me; I like snark. What offends me is that you don’t know what you’re talking about. If you knew what you were talking about and wanted to snark on anyone or any thing in the VM-verse I would say have at it, and I would enjoy a “dialogue” with you about our opposing points of view. Alternatively, if you were posting in your own LJ or private forum about your opinion and I thought you didn’t know what you were talking about, I’d keep my mouth shut because it wouldn’t be my business.
However, you are posting a recap at an accessible website. The public’s presumption, imo, is that a recapper has more than a rudimentary knowledge of a show, its history, and its characters. You have only a surface understanding of these things, and you seem to me to be extremely closed to taking the very simple step of spending a weekend with the DVDs so as to better understand the VM characters. That offends me. And the fact that people may take your word as gospel or canon offends and annoys me too.
Was I a “callous” bitch about my feelings about that? Yes. And I actually applaud you for not sinking to my level of personal insults in your response to me. But I am still offended that someone whose words are read by thousands does not care enough to make sure that their words are accurate. I find it irresponsible, at best.
defendingthegasm:
Since I believe that we are familiar with one another on a different website, I hope you will agree that I have no problem with people having “different ideas on television shows”. I am happy to debate – and in fact probably spend too much time debating – differing views of VM. As stated in my paragraphs above, I am not bothered by anyone disagreeing with me, I am bothered by people who clearly have their facts wrong posting recaps as though they were an expert.
YMMV obviously.
The fact that he hasn’t had the time to watch the first season of this show offends you?
I actually think its interesting to get perspective from someone who has only seen the show since the beginning of this season. It adds perspective.
This is just a SHOW. There is no reason to get so upset over it, really. If it bothers you that much you really don’t need to read the recaps.
hee… peepeehead douchebag…hahahahahahahah
on a more serious note, getting a fresh outlook on a much loved show provides a different perspective. come on! how much did we enjoy hearing the differing opinions or interpretations from the latecomers to the Buffyverse?
Telling J-unit that he isn’t doing justice to the show doesn’t provide us with a discussion of the actual episode. Instead, as he stated earlier, pointing out your own interpretations, opinions, or specific references to the past season would be more helpful to new viewers.
In fact, everyone is assuming it would be better for J-unit to watch season 1. However, it is highly unlikely that most newcomers to the show will actually sit down to watch the first season. If this is what the VM fans are worried about, then wouldn’t it be better to provide more of a “newcomer” perspective? That way it adds to the mystery. Someone who hasn’t seen season 1 might believe that Logan DID have something to do with the psychic. Is it wrong to have more than one potential baddie? isn’t that one of the things that got us hooked in the first place?
peepeehead peepeehead peepeehead!!!
whew!
thanks J-unit.
I may have won 6 NBA championship titles, but this comment section makes me want to baaarrrrrfff…
I don’t mean to be harsh, but MY GOD, your recaps are so long without really saying anything. That is why you would benefit from watching season 1. You’d have a firmer grasp of the meat of the story and the relationships and then you wouldn’t be spending so much time talking about the meaningless details.
Holy crap people. I thought I was into TV, but the levels of insanity some of you take this to is just ridiculous.
Brooke, I just have to say, the fact that you have an 11-year old child and still take this recap so seriously is really sad. Credit to you for acknowledging that J-unit doesn’t sink to your level in terms of name calling, but honestly, grow up.
This recap thing is great! It’s a nice service here for our benefit so quit bitching–and if he gets some things wrong you can correct him without insulting him! I think we’ve proven that most of the people who read this have already seen the show anyway so who are you worried he’ll turn off of it?
Not bad a recap, J-Unit, but I do think that getting a general grasp of what happened in the last season would be a good idea. Heather’s summary should be sufficient though a little bit of research into Veronic Mars websites couldn’t hurt either.
The clean slate method is fine up to the point where it becomes like watching the sequel of something that you have never seen; I would think that most people would want to get some background info so to not seem lost.
One of the things that seem to me to have riled up people were your statement that “Veronica has quite the reputation in her school, and is actually pretty popular”. A bit of a background check into season one would have showed that one of the major points was that Veronica was almost completely alieniated from everyone in the school between Lilly’s death and the arrival of Wallace. She gradually gained the reputation of being the go-to-person when people needed something solved, but she was never actually popular. People may tolerate her more this season than last, but other than a select few, pretty much all of the other kids who were acting nice to her were most likely being sarcastic (Dick Casablancas). A lot of people on both sides of the “class divide” didn’t too happy about her existence either.
As for the question: “Lily wants Veronica to stay away from her boyfriend, but really shouldn’t that have been stay away from my brother?” that could have been solved, first by realizing that the psychic was talking about something in the past (“should have stayed away”)and then taking not even two minutes to search the internet to find out that Logan and Lilly had dated or recalling what Logan had said in the season premiere about his girlfriend being dead.
Hi everyone. I have enjoyed ALL the comments. I am from Costa Rica and we get tv shows 4 to 5 months behind in schedule compare to the U.S. Actually, VM first season just finished last week and no word in sight from TNT, the channel that shows it for Latin America on when the second season starts. Since I am starving for more VM every none busy minute I have, I google Veronica Mars on the Web and read about the latest episodes and the newest twists and turns of the best TV series in a long time (IMHO). I do emphatically agree with Brook on “What makes VM the best written show on televsion, in the history of ever, is its subtleties, its interpersonal dynamics, and its incredibly layered characterizations.” I also agree that some of the acting is far from the best. Even V has her not so convincing emotional responses now and then. And the stories are sometimes a bit absured (stuff that I don’t care about at all by the way). But what I LOVE about VM is exactly those psychological details as the fact that one ends up admiring, loving and looking up to a girl that even though is cute as a botton, is not THE sexiest coolest chic (I don’t even like her clothing style), she is sometimes a bit manipulative (with the best intentions), sometimes jumps too fast into conclusions and is not the best example of taking relationships easy. The “prettiest” boy and best catch Duncan has admirable traits (great ethics and heart) but also his not so breathtaking characteristics (he is not that sharp nor that sexy). And then there is the role of the supposed to be bad boy whom is really the sweetest most vulnerable guy that destiny puzzles so he can end up doing the brave thing by choice.
My point is that if you miss all that, sure VM is definetly entertaining, but is also and foremost a more human, life like, view on the classic romance/youth/trouble I would love to live that plot. And that is what fascinates me about VM: you can be a hero, but you don’t have to be perfect. Seemingly bad kids are nice loving people too. Regular people are cool too. Controlling parents are a pain, but mean good. The lessons in contradictions. PS: please north american people, do watch the show more, talk about it, write about it the best way you can… so it stays on for much more than a second season, remember you count for us all!!!
I think that this season isn’t as good as last season. And I want Leo back on VM!!!