Crazy Over You

Lost

By Kat | Friday, December 2, 2005 | 2:23 pm | 136 Comments

evangeline-closeupI’ve heard the argument that this episode was too slow, but I’m not gonna hear it. This was fantastic, I thought. As good as Lost has ever been. Lots of characters got face time, the plot advanced, it went in new directions, there was even some kissing! With tongues! And most shockingly of all, Kate was a charmer! And a hottie, as we see here, but I’ve got something for the otherwise-inclined after the jump.
jin-shirtlessAt first I thought we were in a Jin/Sun flashback, because the beach looks like a proper campsite all of a sudden, with tents and everything, plus their hair looks a lot longer than usual. But no, it’s the island. I guess the materials came from the hatch? Hurley emerges from the tent next to theirs and gives Jin a smirky thumbs up. Methinks Hurley was awakened in the night by the thunderous bleats of passion emanating from Jin’s House of Nasty.

On a slightly less sexy note, Sayid is digging a grave for Shannon. It seems odd that he’d choose a site so close to people’s tents. Down in the hatch, Jack is tending to Sawyer, who asks after Kate, and then proclaims his love for her. He’s practically unconscious, though, so I suppose we could take that with a grain of salt. The lady in question is in the jungle picking mangoes. A horse suddenly appears! The exclamation point makes it seem more exciting. But really, polar bears, crazy French chicks, secret hatches…what’s a horse here and there?

It must be important on some level, though, since it sends Kate into flashback mode. She’s playing with a lighter and sitting on a stoop, waiting for a guy who shows up drunk in a pickup truck. He leans into her kind of inappropriately, which here is a good hint that he’s probably her dad. As she gets him into bed, he gets cruder and cruder, asking her if she’s going to take his pants off. She leaves on a motorbike, and the house explodes into flames behind her. Ha! Kate finally did something awesome!

She heads into a diner, where the sassy, no-nonsense waitress is her mom. Her arm is bandaged, and though she tries to say it was an accident in the kitchen, Kate knows that her husband beat her. This obviously isn’t the first time, and also obviously Kate just killed the wife beater who did this. Kate doesn’t outright tell her mom what she did, but pretty much foreshadows the hell out of what her mom’s going to find when she gets home later. Kate hands over an insurance policy she bought for the house and hustles out of the diner with her mom yelling after her. It seems somewhat single-minded of Kate to blow up the entire house just to kill her dad, but I suppose that fits with the character.

Back in the hatch, Jack and Kate discuss who’s going to go to Shannon’s funeral and who’s going to watch Sawyer/reset the button. Kate obviously wants to stay with Sawyer and Jack obviously wants to prevent any alone time between those two. Jack ends up leaving, and we cut to Eko and Ana, another island couple of sorts. She’s doing something aggressive with a rock and a stick (what else would she be doing?) and he apologetically tells her he’s going to the funeral. Eko says he thinks most people know Ana murdering Shannon was an accident (and implies she’s forgiven), and there we have the first patently stupid thing he’s said.

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Sayid struggles to give a eulogy for Shannon, where he basically struggles with the fact that they only met because of the plane crash, yet he still loved her. He walks away, leaving Jack to take over and finish up. Things are much more lighthearted in the hatch, for once, where Kate has put on a country record and is mashing some fruit for Sawyer, laughing about how that would make him feel if he were conscious. He starts to murmur, so she leans closer – the better for him to grab her by the neck and growl, “Why did you kill me?” Silly Sawyer, she didn’t kill you! Duh! You’re still alive!

Back from the commercials (is that woman in the Old Navy campaign freakin’ adorable or freakin’ annoying?), Jack and Locke find the hatch post abandoned, Kate nowhere to be found. Jack runs to Sawyer, who’s lying on the floor, while Locke goes to the computer and kind of panics, because the alarm is going, he only has 20 seconds, and he keeps messing up the code. He finally gets it, of course, but I think letting the timer run out would be the most interesting thing they could do at this point, so I don’t share his relief. Meanwhile, Jack is putting Sawyer back into bed. Man, how many slash fiction masterworks did that shot just inspire?

jack-on-sawyerKate’s off in the woods and is accosted by Charlie. Aw, I know most people are getting sick of the little hobbit, always interfering and getting in people’s way. He’s just bored, is all! Trying to give Claire some space! Anyway, he gets the understatement of time immemorial when talking about who came to Shannon’s funeral: “not her, the one who killed Shannon. That would’ve been a bit awkward.” Totally deadpan delivery. This is why I love him.

Kate’s all crazy-eyed and distracted, and asks Charlie if there are horses on the island. She walks off into a flashback in a bus depot. She’s trying to run away to Tallahassee, but the Marshall we all recognize stops her after a little non-witty banter and some light violence. “Your momma gave you up, Kate,” he tells her. Oh, burn!

Manly men are doing the manly bonding in the hatch. Locke cuts off Jin’s handcuff with some…pliers? Jaws of life? Whatever! Pink nail polish is my favorite! Jin shows the cuff to Michael and they have a moment (remember it was Michael who cuffed Jin in the first place). As Jin leaves, Michael asks Locke why there are blast doors inside the hatch, which doesn’t seem to be something Locke had given much thought to. He tells Michael about the Dharma movie, and Eko shows up for the 5:30 showing. He’s kind of a cheapskate.

Has anyone noticed the verbal tic Jack has when he’s pissed at someone? He yells at them, waits a beat, then says their name. I wonder if that comes from the actor or the writers. He’s doing it to Kate right now, and she goes into freakout mode and starts crying, and I like seeing some vulnerable from her. Evangeline Lilly looks a lot like my sister, especially around the – oh hey, Jack and Kate are kissing. How ‘bout that. It’s pretty hot, actually, but I think she just did that in a moment of weakness. I hope jack doesn’t think they’re going steady now.

Movie night in the hatch is going well. At the end of the movie, Michael has a lot of questions (right there with you, buddy) but Locke is still perfectly comfortable taking it at face value. He’s not even curious about the missing segments of tape, which doesn’t really fit with the character, I think. Locke asks Eko what he thinks, and Eko responds by staring at Locke for a while and then walking about slowly, meaningfully. Oh good, this episode hadn’t had any of that yet.

I’m telling you, Kate should always be a basket case. I like her this way. She makes excuses to Sayid about not going to the funeral, and says she’s going crazy. He tells her – and I guess he probably hadn’t told anyone yet – that he saw Walt right before Shannon died. “Does that make me crazy?” he asks. How nice of Lost to spell out conversation points for us!

In the flashback, the Marshall is driving Kate, who is handcuffed, down a dark rainy road. It’s the same old conversation between these two; she’s bitchy and he’s misogynistic and condescending. Although he pretty much has her number, I gotta say, laying out her backstory of a “white trash” mom and an abusive stepdad. She insists he never molested her, though, and I believe her. I bet even as a kid she could have kicked some serious ass.

The Marshall loses control of the wheel and appears to run over a black horse (same horse as on the island, of course) with a huge splatter of blood. He passes out long enough for Kate to grab the cuff keys and push him out of the car. Before she drives off, she sees the horse. It’s OK, apparently, and runs off into a field.

In the hatch, Michael still has lots of questions for Locke, who is happy to explain everything he knows. Looks like Michael is going to be our resident skeptic. I knew I liked him! Locke leaves him to explore the machinery, and finds Eko waiting for him with the Bible he found in the other hatch. I like how Locke’s walking around with a coffee mug now, like a professor or something. Very much king of his domain.

Eko starts telling Locke a story about the Old Testament, and Locke responds in much the same way you would to evangelicals showing up on your doorstep when you’re feeling generous. He’s patient, but there’s a smirk there. Eko tells Locke that what’s in his Bible “will be of great value” to him. Locke flips open the pages, and it turns out Eko’s got something a little more tangible than faith in that book. The missing footage from the Dharma movie is in hidden in there. Very cool. I did not see that coming. I think it does signal a change for Locke, though, who used to be the island’s man of faith – found something more useful to him than spirituality.

Hurley’s here to add a little levity! He ambles on up to Jack, who splitting firewood. “So…Rose’s husband’s white. Didn’t see that one coming.” Ha! Oh Hurley, you are the voice of the people. Jack’s all annoyed by him, of course. Two points to this scene: Jack is pissed at/about Sawyer, and Hurley is now admitting to people that he was in a mental hospital.

Sun got conned into Sawyer duty somehow, and she’s by his bed smooshing up pills. Kate comes in and stands around awkwardly for about two seconds before Sun asks, “Can you watch him?” in a rather eager tone. Oh, someone wants to get back to the Boom Boom, er, Tent.

So this flashback is a little complicated. Kate goes to visit her real dad at work, which is a military recruitment center. (Boo! Hiss!) He’s very stern, but calls her Katie, so’s we can be sure he loves her. OK, if I have this right, Kate was raised to believe that this man was her biological father. But, she found out that Wayne (the man she killed) was actually her biological father, even though she was supposed to think he was her stepdad. Military dad never told her because “I knew you’d kill him.” Wow, Kate is one intense little puppy if her own dad thinks that. Kate’s mom loved Wayne, and military dad left when Kate was five. “So why didn’t you kill him?” asks Kate. OK, we don’t know what Wayne did, right? Because I’m not sure where all this murder talk is coming from. He tells Kate that he’ll have to call the cops, but gives her an hour.

UPDATE: As discussed in last week’s comments section, Sayid appears on a TV in the background here. The shot that EdHill provided was wider the my TV, so I bet a lot of people missed, just like I did the first time around. What do you think that is? Is Lost just messing with us?

Back in the hatch, Kate leans over Sawyer. “Wayne?” Sweet! Kate has totally lost it. She says that she didn’t kill Wayne for the obvious reasons, but rather because she hated that she had his blood, which meant she could never be good. Whew, not sure that one’s gonna hold up in court, Kate! She goes on to say that Sawyer freaks her out because she likes him even though he reminds her of Wayne. Sawyer’s been awake the whole time, of course. As he fully comes to, he realizes he’s in a bunk bed. Man, is he ever in for a big disappointment in a second. “Are we saved?” he asks. If I were Kate, I would have told him the situation immediately, but she taken a few seconds to let him down properly.

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Breakthroughs are happening in other parts of the hatch, too. Locke and Eko are putting together the tape reel, but that’s not as sexy as shirtless Sawyer, so we’re quickly back there. He’s agape at the hatch, naturally, and supremely disappointed when they make it outside, and it’s still the jungle! (The door hatch opening made a noise that sounded a lot like the weird noises from season one.) Once outside, Kate laughs and tells Sawyer he needs a haircut. Ain’t that the truth. He looks awful. The horse reappears, and Sawyer sees it too, so I guess Kate isn’t as crazy as she thought. Well, it was fun while it lasted.

On the beach, Jack gives Ana some tequila. I don’t care. In the hatch, the new portion of the movie tells Locke and Eko that using the computer for anything other than entering the code is forbidden and could lead to another “incident.” I suppose that’s kind of scary, but I’m a little disappointed. This isn’t exactly earth-shattering news. In the control room, Michael is messing around with stuff and keeps hearing a ding, which doesn’t make sense because there’s still plenty of time on the clock. He finally looks at the computer screen, where a friendly little “Hello?” has popped up. This gave me chills, but Michael’s reaction is more along the lines of “oh hey, email. Neat.” I feel like he’d be much more excited about this potential contact with the outside world. He replies and tells his name, and asks who he’s talking to. The one-word reply: “Dad?”

DAMN! That was good. It was unexpected, and I must admit that I got a little teary-eyed. Way to end the show on a dramatic note. I loved this episode. What about y’all?

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136 Comments

  1. 1
    EdHill
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 2:36 pm

    “thunderous bleats of passion”? Too funny.

    You know im teh same way with the old navy chick. Shes cute on West Wing, but on those ads shes just always yelling so it turns me off.

    Yeah that shot of sayid was only on teh widescreen version of the show. I thinks its just another one of their in jokes, I dont think it has any real meaning.

  2. 2
    CB
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 2:42 pm

    ummm, are you sure it wasnt Locke who got the handcuffs off?

  3. 3
    CB
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 2:45 pm

    No splatter of blood, they swerve and hit the bank or a pole or something…The horse trots away just fine…

  4. 4
    texas279
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 2:48 pm

    Didn’t the extra tape reel mention that another station (station 3, I think) would attempt to get them to use the computer for other purposes, warning that they shouldn’t use the computer for anything else other than the numbers?

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    CB
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 2:52 pm

    Kat, Hurley already told Jack that he was in a mental hospital remember? So he hasnt told anyone else, at least not that we have seen on the show…Whats goin on? Were you drinking when you were watching this show on Wednesday? :o )

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    CB
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 2:57 pm

    I agree about the filem slipce, not exactly something we didnt already know…But it does kind of open up the fact that there were a few splices and there must be a few more bunkers, which probably have the other parts of the film…

    Whats up with the eye they found in the other hatch anyway?

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    Aries
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 3:11 pm

    The thing I liked best about this episode was that there was only one scene with Ana Lucia and it was at the end of the show.

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    Kat
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 3:12 pm

    CB, I mentioned that the horse “runs off into a field,” and I said it was Locke who cut the handcuffs off. Do mean that Locke handcuffed Jin last year?

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    Squeegie
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 3:13 pm

    I agree, crazy Kate is a good Kate. And I feel bad for poor, possibly possessed, totally beat up Sawyer.

    I think in the end, Sawyer will get Kate. She strikes me as the love the bad boys type. At least maybe Sawyer and Kate’s love shack will be in the hatch. Sex on sand just chaffes. Sand gets EVERYWHERE.

    Oh, and Jin’s House of Nasty? Brilliance!

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    CB
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 3:23 pm

    So either you changed it (which I suspect you did because I read it twice :o ) ) I know you said the horse trotted off, but they didnt hit the horse. It was muddy water that splashed on the windshield…

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    CB
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 3:25 pm

    I think I may have just read the Handcuff thing wrong…My bad..

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    chick110
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 3:47 pm

    I may be mistaken, but I’m pretty sure that Marshall is the name and Marshal is the law officer. Just FYI…

    This episode was pretty cool, but what the heck happened to Desmond? Where did he go? Once again, I watch this show and have way more questions than they give answers for.

  13. 13
    Ken Levine
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 3:51 pm

    Things can’t be all that bad if they still have those little liquor bottles.

  14. 14
    palmtree
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 3:53 pm

    I always thought that all 6 bunkers were on that island somewhere but what I’m wondering is why did the computer start beeping now and not before? What the heck is Michael doing just going ahead and typing things in for. He’s brand new to the hatch he doesn’t know what he’s doing. I was screaming at the TV “don’t do it, don’t do it.” After it read “dad?” I almost fainted. I thought this LOST provided a lot of information, we finally got to see what Kate did to get herself arrested. I think Jack and Ana-Lucia might get together and Kate and Sawyer. I love the dialogs between Mr. Ecko and Locke, they’re like two kindred spirits. Love the recaps!!

  15. 15
    nancy_drew77
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 3:56 pm

    I think the overall story-line is getting better but I am so over the Jack/Kate/ Sawyer love triangle. I like Ana more than a lot of the other female characters. She’s tough a tough cookie and I’d like to see Jack and her get into a power struggle or see how their relationship develops. Kate’s story was so lame. It could have been good but it’s like the writers are too lazy to make her flashback more compelling.

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    mmmkay
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 4:32 pm

    This is great – The girls from Lost get arrested!Enjoy!

    http://www.perezhilton.com/topics/drugs/making_kimora_lee_simmons_proud_20051202.php

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    Papoose
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 4:56 pm

    Why did Sawyer grab Kate and say “Why’d you kill me?” I just don’t get it… was that her Dad speaking through Sawyer? Did she imagine it? What the? Someone please explain.

    I love you, tvgasm!

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    Diana
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 5:15 pm

    Okay, Kat, if I were into women, I’d heart you as much as I heart Ed Hill. You did a great job with this recap.

    However, you probably could have mentioned the funniest moment in the episode when Eko said to Locke, “let me start at the beginning” and then launched into a bible story. Locke’s smirky response: “Boy, when you say the beginning, you mean the beginning…” I cracked up at that. Gotta love Locke.

    So, here’s my only gripe, what the f**k is going on with Kate’s backstory? She killed her stepdad/real father because she couldn’t stand the fact that she carried his blood in her and was therefore destined to be bad? This is so ridiculously impossible to believe that if it ever turns out that she and Hurley were roommates at the mental institution, I still wouldn’t buy it. Lame-O!!!! C’mon. She friggin’ blows up her mom’s house (yeah, leaving her insurance coverage but no home) because she hates the truth about her father, who by the way never actually abused her. I’m not minimizing the abuse of the real father toward the mother…that’s enough to make someone think of murder. But she destroys the house. And this act is way over the top. I guess when Kate gets pissed, she really gets mad. And when the insurance company found out that it was arson, I doubt they paid out that claim. So, she left her mother a penniless and homeless widow. Aw shucks, what a daughter will not do for her mother….

    I think I would have reversed the order of scenes and shown Kate going into the hospital to visit her dying mother, who is about to sucumb to the worst beating by the father. That way when the mother dies, Kate is so filled with rage and a thirst for vengeance that she’d have a much more real and believable motivation for killing her stepfather/real father. Plus, this would have been a logical and solid time to find out who her father really is, instead of the lame storyline that she was assembling a scrapbook for Mr.-Army-Recruiting man/not-the-real-father.

    By the way, this is a gripe about the writing of her backstory, and not about her. I like her character and think that Evangeline Lilly has potential as an actress, even if she hasn’t tapped into it quite just yet.

    Loved all the raging hormones on the island and got a big kick out of the whole hatch situation. Michael and Walt communicating via the computer was brilliant!

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    chick110
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 5:20 pm

    I had to LOL about the Old Navy chick. Yes, she IS freakin’ annoying. Maybe the first time I saw the first commercial, I thought she was somewhat amusing, but now it is just a nails-on-the-chalkboard voice… :P

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    Dana
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 5:25 pm

    there isn’t an explanation for that Papoose. It goes along along with the “leaving you wondering why” aspect of the show. Kate’s father was either truly speaking through Sawyer, or she just imagined it b/c he reminds her of her father and was already flashing back from seeing the horse.

    Didn’t Shannon and Sayid see each other in the airport when she tried to get him in trouble with security? Or did he never see who did that to him?

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    British
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 6:50 pm

    You mean that woman on the Old Navy ads ISN’T Jerri Blank, all cleaned up?

  22. 22
    ATCmurph
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 7:10 pm

    If I recall, Sayid asked Shannon to watch a bag for him, and she told some person of authority that some Iraqi guy just left a suspicious bag sitting there.

    Loved this episode. I thought the end was great…Michael messed up the computer so maybe they can’t input the numbers anymore. And just where is Walt?

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    shank
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 7:14 pm

    maybe Kate’s Dad is the real Sawyer. I think we need to remember that Sawyer isn’t the character’s real name; rather the name of the name who conned his mother. I think that Kate may have put two and two together when she read the letter he carries around with him last season. Just a theory my friend and I came up with.

    What is this about Said appearing on a TV? I remember that Hurley did it last season, but winning the lotto is news worthy. I wonder what Said did that’s newsworthy. That could be foreshadawing that his story is coming up next.

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    nina
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 7:31 pm

    didn’t Sayid actually handcuff Jin when Jin attacked Michael for no apparent reason? Michael was the reason for the handcuffs, but was not the handcuffer :)

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    scooby
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 7:32 pm

    “On the beach, Jack gives Ana some tequila. I don’t care.”

    My thoughts exactly! If they would’ve left that out, the show wouldn’t have ran over!

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    whitney
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 7:33 pm

    old navy girl = Kristin Chenoweth, from Wicked on Broadway, the original cast with Idina Menzel from Rent, probably more than you wanted to know, but I love her, and she was stole every scene she was in, in Wicked,

    Eko showed up for 5:30 showing, ha ha is spit champagne on my computer

    i totally agree about the backstory and am aggravated about the sayid tv thing i dont want to have to watch it that closely in still frames to catch it, thank god someone ot there does for us

    im so confused about walt…

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    TWilliams
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 8:45 pm

    I don’t think this was the best episode of the season; but at least it started to move the story forward again. But what more do we really learn about Kate other than why she was wanted by Mars and that she had some major parent issues? That and she sees black horses at different times and at different places.

    I think this show makes so much more sense when you place Kate in the center of everything. I like Kate, but I believe she is the most useless character on the show. She is unnecessary and has nothing to offer. It is exactly this reason that I think Kate knows about the island and people will be “oh so shocked” when it is revealed. To me, it is so obvious that Kate knows a whole helluva lot.

    I think Kate was a plant on the plane. Kate remembers the crash and NOBODY else does. We first see her as she is walking BACK to the beach from the jungle. Kate keeps tabs on everyone. She journies inland whenever a trek has been organized. She tried to keep Jack from continuing to search for Claire after they both heard her scream (although Kate played it off as if she hadn’t heard it). At this same time, Kate told Jack to return to camp because he was “tired” – uh, wouldn’t a doctor know when he was tired? Kate botched two attempts of Sayid’s to find the transmission location. She has been described as being on steroids and she can hit a wicked golf ball. Kate was always running because she didn’t want to be found. Her “father” was US military. Last episode she said that the island was driving her crazy and she couldn’t do it anymore. Kate abandoned the timer with no major worries about it although it could mean doom for everyone.

    Kate is a worthless character UNLESS she means more to the island. The island is in control. Now Kate knows that Sayid saw Walt and he is questioning if he “crazy.” Crazy is exactly what people thought Shannon was when she was the only one that had seen him. Shannon began to see through what the island was doing to them and realized that Walt was in trouble. She died immediately after someone believed her and realized that she wasn’t crazy. If two people see the same thing — are they crazy? No. The island couldn’t risk this and had to get rid of one of them. Kate visited Shannon’s grave because she felt guilty and somewhat responsible for this death.

    Kate is a much BIGGER player than anybody realizes.

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    GOGOHurley!!
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 9:40 pm

    I loved this episode even though I can’t stand Kate.

    A few things.. he didn’t run over a horse. We something race across the road.. then the Marshal swirves and hits the poll.
    No blood splatter no nothing. :\

    Anyway… I hate Kate and her backstory made me hate her even more. So why the hell did she kill her real dad? Seriously.. her rambling at the end just totally confused the hell out of me.
    If she had blown him up to protect her mother then it wouldn’t have been so bad and I would’ve felt at least a little sympathetic (nm that she left her mother homeless and I doubt an insurance company would pay once they found out it was arson)… but her idiotic pathetic ramblings to SAwyer just totally screwed that up.
    Seriously.. WTH.. b/c the guy was bad and you didn’t wanna be bad b/c of him.. you decided your only bet was to kill him?
    Huh?
    It was just pathetic…. I hate Kate and her cock-teasing ways.
    I’m so tired of playing Jack against Sawyer and vice versa. She’s pathetically weak and I hope someone kicks her ass.

    I also hope Jack goes with AL. I loved their small little scene on the beach and actually cracked up when Jack said his little line about why women are all crazy.
    I love AL.. but I don’t think she’s exactly the one you’d wanna ask about that :D

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    GOGOHurley!!
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 9:44 pm

    Oh yeah.. and Jin at the beginning of the episode…..DAMN! O_O Seriously… WOW. Never knew he was that buffed… he needs to walk around without his shirt more often… O_O

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    ruthiblu
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 10:52 pm

    A while ago some of you were commenting on the commercials during Lost. I never saw an Arbor Day commercial but I did see a weird one for a credit card that was about twins. I wish I could remember what exactly it was but maybe one of you noticed it too? It was the first commercial in the second or third commercial break. I guess I’m going to have to start taping so i can catch all these little clues and stuff. I think thats the funnest part of the whole show. Making you think and notice things you never would have paid attention to before – either that or the advertisers are just getting smarter and realizing that people are so crazy over trying to figure it all out that they will actually LISTEN to commercials with the slightest tie it!! Arg! I hate to think I’m being manipulated but I guess thats what I’d do if I were in their shoes too.

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    Chunk
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 11:39 pm

    The ending was perfect. Unfortunately we have to wait til January to find out what happens next…but Mr.Eko has slowly taken over as my favorite character. His episode in January looks great!

    Kate’s story wasn’t awful but it wasn’t great. It could have been explained better as far as motive goes and what not.

    Jin is hiding a gym in the Hatch judging by that opening shot.

    Jack will end up with AnaL soon enough. It should be Kate after all this drag on but of course it will not be…

    I wish Sayid would have killed AnaL and we could have moved on from there.

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    Diana
    Posted December 2, 2005 at 11:49 pm

    Hey there GOGOHurley, did you notice that I extended the peace pipe toward you in last week’s blog? In my book, you’re no poopyhead…. :-)

    I’m glad that we agree on several things: that it’s arson and Kate left her mother penniless, homeless, and a widow, and that Jin looks absolutely yummy! By coincidence on Wednesday morning, I had been talking to a friend about how if I were on the island, I’d probably do Jin, so that night when they showed him without the shirt, I just about fainted. Of course, my friend says I’m kind of slutty and would probably have done all of the guys in the first three days on the island, but I say I would’ve taken care of some of them while we were still up in the air…! But enough about my imaginary sex life….

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    GOGOHurley!!
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 12:54 am

    Rofl…Well If I didn’t have a bf I definetly would’ve been all over some of them :P lol
    I dunno about 3 days after…definetly a week though.
    Sun would “mysteriously” disappear… Must’ve been that invisible mist monster! *coughs* And I would’ve been right there consoling poor poor Jin :D

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    ecpyrosis
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 6:35 am

    I don’t have it tivo’d to my computer to put a pic of it up here, but am I the only one that saw the horse wrangler’s gloved hand sticking into frame when Sawyer and Kate saw the horse together. Jesus Christ, Lost director! What happened to checking the dailies? Next thing you know a boom mike will come down and hit Locke on the head while he’s in the middle of one of his Zen Koans.

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    Firecat
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 6:55 am

    Hmmmm. When did Jin get time to work on that six pack? Kiddin’

    Cool episode. Cool recap. What the heck does Jack see in Ana Lucia?!? He should definitely go for Kate. Maybe Sawyer can go for Ana Lucia. Yeah.

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    Page
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 8:38 am

    Shank,
    Shayid appeared on the tv, during some news coverage of Iraq, in an Iraqi uniform, surrounded by American soldiers. There are some shots of it on Sledgewebs site.
    Hope that answers your question.

  37. 37
    dumbanddumber
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 8:45 am

    I thought that Kate’s story was a letdown … I’m kind of surprised that they told it the way they did. Since you had never seen the military dad before, and you only had 3 seconds of Wayne beore she killed him, it didn’t exactly pack a lot of emotional punch when they told you that Wayne was her real father. You think that they would have told some backstory about Kate and My Two Dads before the killin’. Also, for someone who they’ve kind of implied is some criminal mastermind … blow up the house for the insurance money? How dumb is she?

    The Locke-Eko Bible scene was classic. How about Locke, walking around all smug like The Master of His Domain, totally humoring Eko and his tale, then getting smacked down when the film clip is in there. I have to agree, though, the clip itself was a letdown. So, they splice out and hide in a bible on the other side of the island a piece of film that says … nothing that’s not on the film already. I know that they did it more for dramatic tension when Mike is checking his email, but I was hoping for some new info. Of course, being Lost, I initially figured that it would take about 6 or 7 episodes just to resplice the missing piece to the original film.

    While I was watching, it looked to me that Dr. Marvin Candle might be missing his left arm. Did anyone else notice that?

  38. 38
    knitcat
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 8:46 am

    Thanks for the great recap!! Always hilarious!

    My question is

    What’s up with all the “Daddy” issues.

    Jack
    Kate
    Sawyer
    Locke
    Michael/walt
    Shannon

    Who else on the show is struggling with father issues and does it have any significance?

    Diana,#32

  39. 39
    knitcat
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 8:50 am

    LOL at #32, I meant!

    Oh, and more daddy issues-

    Jin
    Sun

  40. 40
    DJjazzyJason
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 10:08 am

    Jack: Yes Sawyer: Definitely Jin: You bet yer sweet ass!
    I’ve had a crush on this since I first saw him on Angel. (Crush? What am I a 13 year old girl?) Anyway, I just had to reiterate he always looks amazing and I’m already hard at work on my Jin/Sawyer slash fanfiction.

  41. 41
    TWilliams
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 11:23 am

    I don’t think Shannon’s daddy issues were the same as everyone else’s. He seemed to have taken pretty good care of her since he was the one that let her live that charmed life. His only mistake was setting up a living trust with a woman who loathed his daughter. I believe Shannon and her father had a very strong relationship as Shannon even stated that her step-mother had always been jealous of her relationship with him.

    One episode last season was entitled “All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues.” So, yes — it plays into the story pretty heavily. Hurley might have even had some daddy issues since his mother appeared to be raising him on his own. What happened with him?

    And Dr. Candle is missing an arm. He wears a prosthetic hand I do believe. So that hand in the horse shot was either a flub or a nice little clue pointing to Kate. Another thing about Dr. Candle, if you look at his tie in both pieces of film — the tie’s knot is in a different place. So this is either another flub and they filmed the clips at two different times or this film segment doesn’t necessarily fit in that spot.

    One more time — it is all about Kate people!

  42. 42
    The_Goat_Herder
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 11:57 am

    well this ep was very good. the producers of LOST were brilliant in placing Mr.Ecko into the show. He’s such a plot thickener. Anyway…. back to season 1 when walt got kidnapped by the others….wher in the world did the boat come from and how do they get gas to fuel the boat???? And did anyone notice a gloved hand slightly sticking out of the right hand of the screen when Kate was going up to pet the Horse(in the island not her recap) ???? And wtf was that chain monster thing that dragging Locke by the foot? And Jack has a pretty good and low haircut to be stuck in an island for over 3 months. Did anyone like me, jump up from the couch, point at the t.v, and yeall …”OOOHHH SHYYTTT” when walt replied “DAD”????? lol

  43. 43
    leah3t
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 12:35 pm

    Very interesting thoeries on kate being more important than we thought. Also an interesting idea about the real sawyer being her dad. I could listen to mr eko read the phone book.

    Does anyone have a tape of the episode when shannon died? Is the little girl in her ballet class the little girl from the back of the plane?

  44. 44
    leah3t
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 1:02 pm

    Other question- I have no knowledge about the history of computers, but was it possible to contact someone via computer when that film was supposedly made?

    I like that old navy girl. She reminds me of hannah on everwood for some reason.

  45. 45
    Joe
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 1:47 pm

    Leah3t: the US Gov’t has had a form of ‘internet’ since 1969 or somewhere thereabouts.

  46. 46
    Diana
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 2:26 pm

    Right after “Dad?” appeared on the computer screen, I was expecting Michael to quickly respond with: “Waaaaaaallllllltttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!”

  47. 47
    ruthiblu
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 2:51 pm

    OMG! Speaking of the computer screen – check this out: (possible spoiler) click on the image then wait….

    http://www.thehansofoundation.org/alvarhanso.html

  48. 48
    leah3t
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 3:34 pm

    joe- ah, thanks. well, that’s 1 out of 15642 theories i can cross off my list.

  49. 49
    pallmtree
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 4:25 pm

    Have you guys noticed that just about everybody killed someone either on or off the island. Off the island:
    Sawyer, Kate, Sayid, Ana Lucia, Jack (shannon’s dad) Jin.
    On the island:
    Charlie, Mr. Ecko.

  50. 50
    palmtree
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 4:34 pm

    here’s a picture of the hand you all are talking about. I love this guys website, he has the coolest pics from LOST.

    http://www.ricestudios.com/lost/s2e09/hand.jpg

  51. 51
    ruthiblu
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 4:35 pm

    In reference to the Sayid sighting in Kate’s flashback and other non-emphasized correlations between our Losties in flashback scenes, I thought this quote may be of interest to you:

    “The flashbacks serve as a great conduit to learn more about these characters, but that’s not all they’re there for. The idea that these people — way before they got on this airplane — have interacted with each other either directly or through third parties is one of the cool pieces of tapestry of the show.”

    “These peoples’ lives may have intertwined before they all got on that plane in ways that they themselves are not aware,” he says. “It gives complete purpose as to why we’re telling two different stories, one that happened before the crash and one that happens after.” – Damon Lindelof.

    Full interview:
    http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.tv.lost/msg/2b6147f771174306

    IMHO This interview may also shed some light on why season 1 mysteries have not been mentioned yet in season 2.

    Since we have no episodes to keep us happily entertained, my guess is there will be internet clues galore over the next month or so.

  52. 52
    palmtreet
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 4:35 pm

    and here’s the pic of Sayid. I never would have noticed if you guys were talking about.
    http://www.ricestudios.com/lost/s2e09/kate-cap714.jpg

  53. 53
    babe623
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 4:48 pm

    ??

  54. 54
    GOGOHurley!!
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 5:14 pm

    #47
    WOW…. MOLE? Oooooooo wonder if there is another infiltrator in out midst!
    How interesting… damnit!

  55. 55
    babe623
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 5:16 pm

    ruthiblu, what do you make of that memo? (#47)

    i think it will add more tension to the show to have jack and ana lucia get closer. i bet right at that moment kate will want to get back in the picture.

  56. 56
    ruthiblu
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 5:18 pm

    This hints at an explaination about something that was bugging me this season. Did anyone else notice that people used to be afraid to go in the jungle alone (with the exception of Locke) and now they do it all the time?

  57. 57
    ruthiblu
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 5:35 pm

    babe623, its very vague of course and subject to many interpretations. It seems there was a correspondence which threatened the security of the project(s). The project(s) is/are obviously very secret but someone from GHO was alarmed enough about a health or security threat to break protocol and communicate with them directly.
    That breach in protocol must not have gone over to well with the Zanzibar folks and this letter was an apology of sorts. Read: “damage control”
    Probably GHO (Global Health Organization – the author of the letter) was worried that the funding might have been cut because they had risked allowing information about the project to be leaked.
    So that leads us to the question (Isn’t it always about the newest question?) What was the event that triggered the unauthorized communication with the mothership?

    Speculation: Michael’s use of the computer to communicate something other that the numbers?

    Any other theories?

  58. 58
    palmtree
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 5:51 pm

    check this out it’s different than before.

    http://oceanicairlines.com/

    click on Brian’s name then select all. Weird.

  59. 59
    urinal
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 6:47 pm

    good foreshadowing:

    eko to locke, ‘dont mistake coincidence for destiny’

    potential conflict for the two prophet types..

  60. 60
    TWilliams
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 7:45 pm

    I cannot believe you guys haven’t figured out who the “mole” is on the island.

  61. 61
    Lauren
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 9:34 pm

    Palmtee, #58. On that first page if you select all it also says “Things aren’t always as they seem.” Also, remember in the beginning of season one Claire asked Kate if she was a Gemini, and Kate said she was. Gemini’s are the twins…

  62. 62
    palmtree
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 9:50 pm

    Thanks Lauren I didnt even think of that. YOu have a pretty good memory to remember that about Kate and Claire.

    TVWilliams I guess you mean to say that Kate is the mole. I guess they are trying to give us a new mystery to solve before they end the season. I keep looking for a bio on AnaLucia on the main LOST website but nothing yet so i wonder how long she will really be on the island.

  63. 63
    British
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 11:47 pm

    And here’s the company that owns oceanic airlines:

    http://pb-sales.com/

    They also own Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems, which is the bogus company in Buckaroo Banzai.

  64. 64
    Victoria
    Posted December 3, 2005 at 11:54 pm

    Did anyone try calling Brian’s phone number? It’s a little creepy.

    I was not at all surprised that when Michael started typing on the computer, the person communicating with him pretended to be Walt. That tells me they are watching Michael right now as he is sitting there, becuase remember when Locke told Michael the computer would only let them type in the numbers when the alarm went off and nothing else any other time. So someone is watching him and they know he is alone there so they initiated communication with him and are pretending to be Walt. And remember how Jack was all let’s not push the button and it doesn’t matter and this whole episode he was like “don’t forget the button. don’t forget the button”? What’s up with that?

  65. 65
    ruthiblu
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 12:11 am

    The following is from a listing in wikipedia:

    Yoyodyne is a fictional defense contractor introduced in Thomas Pynchon’s “V”. (1961) and featured prominently in his novel “The Crying of Lot 49″ (1965). Described in the latter book as “a giant of the aerospace industry”, Yoyodyne was founded by World War II veteran Clayton “Bloody” Chiclitz. The company has a large manufacturing plant in the fictional town of San Narciso, California.

    The name was adopted in The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension as the name for a defense contractor. In Buckaroo Banzai, Yoyodyne’s corporate offices features the sign, “Where the future begins tomorrow.” Yoyodyne is a front for a group of red Lectroid aliens, all with the first name John, that landed in New Jersey in 1938, using the panic created by Orson Welles’ War of the Worlds radio play as cover.

    Numerous props in Star Trek series, such as control panels and dedication plaques, indicate that parts of Federation starships were manufactured by Yoyodyne (often, these notices are too small to be visible on a television screen, or can only be observed by freeze-framing). Yoyodyne is also a client of the law firm Wolfram and Hart on the TV series Angel, a spin-off from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

    Many technical works, such as Cricket Liu’s DNS and BIND (O’Reilly), Per Cederqvist’s Version Management with CVS, and the GNU General Public License use Yoyodyne as a company name in their examples.

    There was once, however, a real company named Yoyodyne – the first Internet-based direct marketer, which was acquired by Yahoo! in 1998.

    These sci-fi writers all know eachother so it figures they would refer to a wellknown (fictitious) large craft propulsion company maybe as an inside joke to eachother and to avid sci-fi fans.

    But then again….this clue screams ALIENS, ALIENS, ALIENS!!!

    ……………….
    See also:
    Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems
    Interdimensional Attack & Recreational Devices For All Approved Species.
    http://www.yoyodynepropulsionsystems.com/

  66. 66
    ruthiblu
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 12:55 am

    Yep, just as I thought. They are totally screwing with us.
    This page:
    http://pb-sales.com/businesses.htm
    Lists a bunch of businesses they own and a couple of them have actual links.
    The Merrick Biotech one takes you to a flash intro page that appears normal enough but after a couple of seconds a startling message appears saying “Merrick must be stopped blah blah blah…(I’m paraphrasing here)..and then it says they are cloning people.

    The other link I clicked on from the Pb Sales website was for a computer/internet company called GEOCOMTEX. When I click on the disclaimer link at the bottom it said:
    “GEOCOMTEX – DISCLAIMER
    Thank you for your interest in GEOCOMTEX.
    We make the best computers in the world and provide the best internet access. Our computers never break down, our internet access is swift. We never crash, lose an important document, or go “bing” 98% through downloading an important file.
    Obviously we are completely fictional.
    This is a fictional website created for the new series of Doctor Who by bbc.co.uk’s official Doctor Who webteam. We apologise for any inconvenience caused if you thought this was a real website. If you would like to learn more about Doctor Who please click here.

    So this is a fictitious company created for yet ANOTHER show.

  67. 67
    jtits13
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 1:48 am

    Who is the mole your are talking about… and i just heard the clip of walt whispering backwards and saying “dont press the button the button is bad” which was cool and are there any thoughts on who are the others and where is walt

  68. 68
    palmtree
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 8:32 am

    I think he means it’s Kate, read his previous posts about her.

    I love your theories TVWilliams they make a lot of sense. Is it true there is no new episode till January???? Are you kidding me.

  69. 69
    scorpiella
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 9:40 am

    Go to http://www.oceanicworldair.com.
    Click on the hyperlink for “other”.
    Look at the list of names. What the heck is that about?

  70. 70
    rachel
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 9:51 am

    If you go to the http://www.oceanworldair.com site and click on the image that says “Taking you places you’ve never been before”, you get this:http://aralai.com/

  71. 71
    palmtree
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 10:11 am

    http://oceanicworldair.com/

    Click on Contact Us

    let the timer run out.

    too cool

  72. 72
    palmtree
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 10:16 am

    http://oceanicworldair.com/milesplus.htm

    HELP, what’s the second answer??? Anyone.

  73. 73
    Lauren
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 12:10 pm

    I don’t know what that list of draft picks is supposed to be. I think it’s just made up… I clicked the Steelers (my team) and those names are nothing, we never picked those people to draft. It’s supposed to be draft history, but this is all in the future. Also, it lists Sioux Falls Wigs as a team and that’s made up. Is there anybody from Sioux Falls, South Dakota on the show?

  74. 74
    TinkerbellAPixie TinkerbellAPixie
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 1:07 pm

    Ok did you notice on that link they had Ethan Goodwin on the draft list for the Dolphins?

    Also the link http://oceanicworldair.com/
    on the bottom right there is a paragraph symbol that takes you to Mr. Clucks – but I thought the Mr. Clucks site was a fan site not a show site? Confused now.

  75. 75
    bean
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 2:34 pm

    Is it just my imagination or didn’t Kate say she was Canadian last season? So how did she end up with two Southern parents?

  76. 76
    haterade
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 2:41 pm

    well, i think, the island is like judgement day, therefore they all died on the plane, now it’s time to either go to heaven or to hell, well if you are taken by the others you are in heaven, but if you are killed by the island you go to hell. Shannon and her brother were rich and what is that verse, oh yeah, it is harder for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man into heaven.
    The hatch is like a feeble attempt to keep them alive, to keep them from being killed by the island, to keep them from going to hell. And that is like the heart of god to do more than enough to get us to repent, to go to heaven.

    oh yeah the good people that were supposed to have been taken by the others but are still on the island, the others probably wanted that, so they could positively influence the rest of the lost ones and to keep the island from killing them. well that is what i think, by the way i Love lost…

  77. 77
    haterade
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 2:48 pm

    notice that all of them commited murder while they were in civilization, while they were alive, but not cold blooded murder, therefore they are not automatically condemed to hell, that is why they have an extended judgement day. All of the children except walt were taken by the others because they automatically go to heaven, because children are innocent, but walt may not be that innocent, i think he killed his mother, and therefore is on the island struggling to survive just like the rest of those that are on the island…but i really am not sure about walt…..

  78. 78
    ruthiblu
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 3:45 pm

    The purgatory theory is a popular one but I still can’t buy it. Killing someone seems to be a common thread among many of the survivors but not all of the backstories have been told so several of them don’t appear to have caused anyone’s death…yet…

    I like the theory that the island is actually a vessel of some kind with a motorized system beneath it that moves it around from place to place to keep it hidden from satalites etc. But I still think a satalite might notice that an island has moved…But the sound people heard in season 1 has been compared to that of a steam engine…

    I’ve read all sorts of theories and none of them completely make sense to me yet. The most outrageous one I’ve heard is that they are all crygenicly frozen somewhere and this is a virtual reality world – sort of like the Vanilla Sky/Matrix theory.

  79. 79
    haterade
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 4:33 pm

    come on, you can’t base a theory on facts that are unknown, let’s get real, who on the island that ever had a backflash did not directly or indirectly kill someone, if you were standing in a room of 100 people, chances are 1 or 2 will have probably killed someone before, and now we have seen about 10 people’s back flash and nearly all of them are murders ,get real.

  80. 80
    haterade
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 4:38 pm

    remember the first or second episode when the doctor saw the dolls near the water and one doll was in the water, that one doll may have represented the one girl that drowned. interesting like the island was saying one down and 39 or so to go…

  81. 81
    haterade
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 4:45 pm

    dead people on the island, the doctor’s dad, the horse being kate’s dad, so they are dead people seeing other dead people, what aspect of this show does not support the purgatory theory?

  82. 82
    haterade
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 4:52 pm

    and i think the very people that they have killed can intefere and either help them to repent or become saved from the island. or possibly hurt them and cause them to be killed by the island to go to hell..oh i could go on and on but i will stop there

  83. 83
    Snoozie
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 5:26 pm

    Ruthiblu #66 mentions PB-sales, I found this a bit amusing, the guy listed as the contact/director, corporate communications is Vincent Madison – Walts’ dogs’ name is Vincent his real name Madison! (see lostvideo.net/vmonth.php) is there a connection? prob not but I laughed when this site came up when I typed in his name

    Oceanic world air, Daystrom data concepts, merrick listed on the PB sales site are all clearly fictional- but certainly interesting maybe giving us hints (if their not just messing with our heads) behind the shows mysteries. The technologies needed to form the “monster” I read somewhere once about “smartdust”- anyone else read about this?

    Merrick -the bit Ruthiblu #66 mentioned about “they are cloning, blah blah blah, when it comes up, click on “come to clonewatch” which is another site- clonewatch.com – there is some footage of apparently actual clones – interesting..

    Hey does anyone know about dharmaindustries.com -After you click on enter to get access keep the mouse pointer in the left lower corner (7 o’clock position)and the numbers turn green until access granted -this black screen comes up and says initializing etc. then type in the lost numbers – then it comes up Member Id – does anyone know this Id?

  84. 84
    TinkerbellAPixie TinkerbellAPixie
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 6:17 pm

    haterade,
    There’s only one flaw to your theory, the producers have said in numerous interviews that this is set here on earth and not in purgatory.

    “Lost” co-creator J.J. Abrams appreciates the fans’ creativity.

    “The purgatory one is a great one, I love that theory — but it isn’t what it is. I’d be frustrated if that were the answer I have to say,” he said.

    So the survivors are not in purgatory and it’s not a dream. And producers say there is a logical explanation for everything.

    http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Entertainment/story?id=732221&page=1

  85. 85
    Snoozie
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 6:21 pm

    Pergatory Theory- I have some questions–what about dead people killing people How can you kill someone already dead? Do the characters have bodies or are they ghosts? Are they dead people with immortal bodies?? I’m not sure I buy it, I tend to think the show is based around the fictional scientific stuff thats why we get all these clues from sites like Hanso, Pb sales etc. The pergatory theory doesn’t seem to fit in with all this. It is interesting though that alot of characters have unresolved issues and have caused someones death – but is this just written this way to add drama/interest to the show and link in characters with one another? I think I would be disappointed if the pergatory theory was true-
    ……..
    Ruthiblu #65
    Daystrom Data Concepts listed on PB sales site is also a fictional company like Yoyodyne used in Star Trek- Daystrom is listed in wikipedia- according to this, Daystrom was the brand of computer that ran the spaceship on Star Trek.

  86. 86
    ruthiblu
    Posted December 4, 2005 at 9:49 pm

    Has anyone else ever gotten a message on the screen saying that their post to this page has been sent to the moderator for approval? My last post never showed up here. Was I getting too close to the truth? Would TVgasm prevent someone’s too-close-to-the-truth theory from being posted so not to offend ABC? OK, now I’m sounding paranoid. Still it was weird, that never happened before. I was just guessing…isnt that what we’re supposed to do?

    Will this message make it through to you? I dont know. Here goes….

  87. 87
    Snoozie
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 1:17 am

    Re: #83 sorry in my post I said clonewatch.com it is meant to be clonewatch.org

  88. 88
    axa
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 7:41 am

    no new episode until Jan 11?

  89. 89
    Bea Fan
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 7:50 am

    On a slightly less sexy note, Sayid is digging a grave for Shannon.

    Thank you for that.

  90. 90
    BSideLover
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 8:05 am

    If I were Libby, Bernard or Eko, I think I’d be like, “Hey, mind if I borrow some clean clothes? Or maybe wash these clothes I’ve been wearing for 40 some odd days in your fancy washing machine?”

  91. 91
    Steve in Houston
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 9:32 am

    I didn’t get the “Boo! Hiss!” thing. Booing her notfather? Kate? Military recruiters?

  92. 92
    mischacantact
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 10:46 am

    fantastic recap

    I went to oceanicworldair.com and I can’t believe all the clues that are there. I mean, maybe they’re just trying to throw us off but if you use the flight finder and then click all the little links on the page it takes you to, there’s a wealth of information!

  93. 93
    Amber
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 11:13 am

    I loved this episode too! Finally!

    What with my current heavily-scheduled TIVO show rotation, it just didn’t dawn on me until this episode that the biggest reason I haven’t been enjoying “Lost” the way I used to was due to far too much focus on the New Survivors.

    Not only is the New Group not as interesting as the old, but apparently they can’t hold their liquor, either. ;-P

    Btw, Kat, I didn’t like how long Kate took to tell Sawyer they weren’t saved either. Brought me *out* of the moment and back into wondering who is directing/editing this, anyway? But maybe the director has been taking clues from the Michelle Rodriguez’ Style O’ Acting:

    “Okay, Evangeline, look down, good… now, start to bite your lip! STOP! Now, roll your eyes! Look PENSIVE! No, damn it…MORE PENSIVE! Okay, now you can tell him. Good scene, good scene… Here’s a Scooby-snack.”

  94. 94
    TWilliams
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 12:45 pm

    Damn that Kate for not telling Sawyer a bit quicker that they were not saved.

    It isn’t like Kate has done anything else on the island . . .

  95. 95
    TWilliams
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 12:46 pm

    . . . or hasn’t done anything else on the island, either.

    Kate, Kate, Kate . . .

  96. 96
    CapoSTAT
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 1:46 pm

    Good to see that Michael and Walt still use proper syntax even after the circumstances they’ve been through, and finally getting to communicate with the “outside” world. I mean i would have assumed that Walt would be so excited about finding his dad that he wouldn’t have cared to “Shift + D” when he typed “Dad?”

    i rarely begin sentences with capital letters myself, when using MSN Messenger.

    …oh well, my trivial point of the day

  97. 97
    haterade
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 6:41 pm

    oh, i have not done my research as you can see, i’ve just been watching the show, then i think then maybe the island is like a prison or a trial.

  98. 98
    haterade
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 6:59 pm

    I believe she was abused and may have blocked it out, would you ask your daughter, “are you going to take my pants off too,” no not even when you are drunk.

    That’s why she responded so fast and so hard to that question, as if she was also trying to convince herself also that she was not abused.

  99. 99
    haterade
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 7:34 pm

    and why is walt always wet , what could that mean

  100. 100
    haterade
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 8:01 pm

    and the name ecko must have been purposely taken from the name locke,,and on a different note wasn’t it an army person who gave the numbers to hurley,
    sayid was obviously in the iraq’s army, and kate’s step dad worked for the army

  101. 101
    Diana
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 10:57 pm

    What the hell am I supposed to do with my life for the next 5 weeks until the next new episode of LOST airs? Oh yeah, get a life…!

    Nah, let see what else is on….

  102. 102
    Leah3t
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 9:34 am

    haterade, good points on kate’s abuse and on the army thing. the army actually seems to run through everything on this show….

  103. 103
    loveLost
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 10:18 am

    Shank (#23) I loved your theory about Sawyer/Wayne! It is nice to hear some new theories that actually seem like they could be true.

    Why did Jack waste that tequila on Ana? Someone may need that later to treat an infection.

    I think the whole “Kate is a mole” thing is clever but it seems too obvious. Let’s not forget that JACK also woke up in the forest and traveled down to the beach during the first episode…..

  104. 104
    Ron88keys
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 11:03 am

    Regarding the “contact us” link, where it takes you to the countdown timer and gives you a reset button if it runs out… When you click on the reset button, you are taken to a picture of a bolide on a NASA website. A bit of Googling, and a bolide is a fireball caused by a meteor entering the atmosphere. A bolide can be brigher than a full moon. Here’s my crazy cockeyed theory. The island is on a large moon-like satellite and the constant entering of the numbers is a course correction to keep the “island” in orbit. Otherwise, the whole thing gets pulled down into the atmosphere. I know this is probably crazy talk on my part, but anything’s possible, right?

  105. 105
    erin
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 11:52 am

    In response to #72- I know that Marvin Candle is the asian doctor in the film, so who ran off after a disagreement? Desmond? I’d like to know the answer too!

  106. 106
    CB
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 1:31 pm

    #72 Palmtree – Rose has bernards wedding ring on her necklace.

  107. 107
    erin
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 1:50 pm

    the question was changed, so CB, you are correct!

  108. 108
    palmtree
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 2:34 pm

    Okay that’s freaky. The second question on that website on Sunday was not what does Rose wear it was who left the argument with Marvin Candle, which turns out to be Lars. I have no idea who that is but it worked and I got 2 e-mails from Oceanic World Air, too cool by the way. Thank you CB and Erin for getting back to me!!

  109. 109
    shelley
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 2:38 pm

    If Kate was a mole, how come she was on the flight manifest? the only known person on the island that was not on the manifest was ethan.

    and i’ve been hoping for a sawyer/kate boom-boom since that awsome kiss when sawyer was being tortured!

  110. 110
    shelley
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 2:41 pm

    also…how did the kate back story tie into her backstory from last season with the whole bank robbery to get that little toy plane?

    i thought she was busted for that robbery, not the murder.

    can someone explain?

  111. 111
    calimojo
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 2:41 pm

    The one thing on the oceanicworldair.com site that was kinda interesting was this link: http://oceanicworldair.com/PAC01IA023.htm
    The article is purposely hard to read but it about and “incident”…this maks me wonder if this is a result of whatever happened on the island that made the need for the button necessary. This also kinda ties into the theory I’ve heard folks mention about them being brought to the island. If this plane crashed on the island in 2000 and they “placed” all these folks around the wreckage to make them believe they were part of the plane crash. And they put Kate there to enforce this story (her being the only one that remembers the crash). Buuut, when you look at more of the little tid-bits (http://oceanicworldair.com/mca.gif , http://oceanicworldair.com/zzzz.gif , http://oceanicworldair.com/108.htm) they give on the Oceanic site it seems to be leading us to think that Eko may be the mole (or both of them for each side of the wreckage to enforce the idea that they crashed).

  112. 112
    CB
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 3:29 pm

    How much would that suck if that theory is true. They are all just there for an experiment…Their lives and loved ones were interrupted to do some stupid experiment. Maybe not stupid but hmmm, what about the people that died? I mean, I can see maybe there being an experiment before they got on the island, that went wrong and “attracted” the plane, but not that the crash was a fake….

  113. 113
    palmtree
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 3:37 pm

    the bank robbery happened after she killed her dad. She was already on the run but still decided to stage a whole bank robbery to get that plane back. How she found out it was in the safety deposit box hasn’t been answered yet.

  114. 114
    ruthiblu
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 9:27 pm

    #104: The post I sent that never appeared on this site (the one that said it was sent to a moderator for approval) was similar to what you said about the bolide.

    Maybe the island is a meteor or asteroid and that’s why it has a unique magnetic polarity. It floats from pole to pole and its effected by the moon and sun like the tide. Maybe if they don’t press the button they’ll need moon boots to stay on the ground.

  115. 115
    haterade
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 9:28 pm

    have we ever had a backstory from the hobbit or the mommy and they were the ones taken and both also had amnesia….could they be the mole or atleast one of them….

  116. 116
    ruthiblu
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 9:33 pm

    One clarification –

    #104: Its in the ocean. There’s water, fish, etc. so I don’t think its in space. If anything, it collided with earth long ago and has been floating around ever since.

  117. 117
    haterade
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 9:38 pm

    my guess is that the hobbit is the mole because he was found by the doctor almost dead right after he and the mommy were supposedly taken by the others, remember the others are easy to kill.(ecko killed two.. and a mommy trying to protect her unborn baby is probably ten times stronger than even ecko)..the hobbit was probably wounded by the mommy and she developed amnesia, ..look he loves the baby just like the others……

  118. 118
    haterade
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 9:51 pm

    the hobbit has an accent, did the mole on the other side of the island also have an accent ? i don’t know

  119. 119
    haterade
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 9:54 pm

    they probably let the mommy go back to the beach because they new the hobbit would take care of the baby and he has surely been attempting to do just that

  120. 120
    ruthiblu
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 10:35 pm

    If the others could occupy the bodies of survivors then you could make a case that Eko was switched after he fought the others that night on the beach.
    We never knew the character very well before that and neither did anyone else on the island so if they acted different no one would know.
    Same could be said for Locke.

    Eko has had no flashbacks yet, has he? I don’t recall any.
    But wait,

  121. 121
    haterade
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 10:53 pm

    hmm good point

  122. 122
    Jeebo
    Posted December 7, 2005 at 12:11 am

    Just wondering if anyone else noticed this and can help…on the Hanso Foundation website go to active projects and click on the life extension project and it brings up a document about an orangutan…the very last line of the document is clickable and takes you to an “access denied” page that is blurred but has a text box and submit button there. Does anyone know the password?

  123. 123
    palmtree
    Posted December 7, 2005 at 7:26 am

    Soooo, what are we all doing tonight? I vote on crying in my pillow until January, any other ideas?

  124. 124
    ruthiblu
    Posted December 7, 2005 at 7:59 pm

    I decided to give “Triange” a try. I watched part two on sci-fi channel last night and it was ok. Tonight is part three. I could watch “Everybody Hates Hugo” but I’ve seen it obviously and I don’t think I missed any clues so…I guess its the other “mysterious ocean phenominon” show for me tonight. It’s not as good as Lost though. :(

  125. 125
    mck
    Posted December 7, 2005 at 8:51 pm

    Jeebo: The password is Copenhagen for the document.

  126. 126
    snoozie
    Posted December 7, 2005 at 8:57 pm

    Jeebo- #122 The password is Copenhagen – Hey did you also try clicking on Alvar Hanso’s picture on the same site?

  127. 127
    snoozie
    Posted December 7, 2005 at 9:13 pm

    Does Gudgeon mean anything to anyone?
    Was it the name of the drug smuggling plane in the jungle? when I searched for aralai (as in the pic/link on the oceanicworldair site) globespotter.com came up with a pic of the lost island – when you “select all” and click on the G – what does Gudgeon mean? The invisible text also has links to mrclucks, hanso,pb-slaes, oceanicworldair, and a picture of psycho Eko. check it out

  128. 128
    palmtree
    Posted December 8, 2005 at 7:19 am

    Snoozie, I read the def of Gudgeon on that link you sent and it made no sense to me. I did get an e-mail from Oceanic World Air and that made a point of stating that “G is not a ship.” I had no idea what they were talking about until I read your post. I don’t know if that helps but at least we know what it’s not.

  129. 129
    snoozie
    Posted December 8, 2005 at 6:00 pm

    bartleby.com/81/7710.html

    E. Cobham Brewer 1810—1897. Dictionary of Phrase and Fable. 1898.

    Gudgeon.

    Gaping for gudgeons. Looking out for things extremely improbable. As a gudgeon is a bait to deceive fish, it means a lie, a deception. 1
    To swallow a gudgeon. To be bamboozled with a most palpable lie, as silly fish are caught by gudgeons. (French, goujon, whence the phrase faire avaler le goujon, to humbug.) 2
    “Make fools believe in their foreseeing
    Of things before they are in being;
    To swallow gudgeons ere they’re catched,
    And count their chickens ere they’re hatched.�

    Butler: Hudibras, ii. 3.

    Maybe this is what they mean about Gudgeon – WE have taken the bait or the ISLANDERS have taken the bait.

    Maybe the whole “G” for Gudgeon thing is a Gudgeon.

    I will keep looking for other meanings…

  130. 130
    snoozie
    Posted December 8, 2005 at 6:23 pm

    Had another look at globespotter.com – the “G” and a black spot on the map is joined by a line -meaning – Is Gudgeon the name the place or something at this black spot on the map of the island?

  131. 131
    koolade
    Posted December 8, 2005 at 10:50 pm

    you guys think that you are being clever…. forget the show lets just go on a wild goose chase..the last comment made about the actual show was 119 or 120.in my opinion all of you are lost….you all make no since…..i hope jan comes soon or you guys are gonna loose your minds..

  132. 132
    BarryJV
    Posted December 10, 2005 at 3:43 pm

    http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/sl9/image248.html

    Just to follow up, above is the link to the NASA page describing the bolide. It is a simulated image of a comet impact. One theory is that the island is a safe haven from approaching disaster, that would explain why the ‘good’ people have been taken away from the group. The people running the island don’t want flawed people in the commnunity that will spawn the future of the human race.

  133. 133
    t
    Posted December 10, 2005 at 6:31 pm

    A lot of people thing Mr. Eko was on the island before the crash via Nigeriam Drug Plane Crash. I think that he was offered to go on the drug plane and refused and was once a drug dealer but find hope from the bible. This could lead a possible connection to Charley who was a heroine addict I think?

  134. 134
    Dan
    Posted December 14, 2005 at 9:15 am

    Apparently the Lost cast has trouble with driving:

    http://starbulletin.com/2005/12/14/news/story01.html

  135. 135
    ruthiblu
    Posted December 16, 2005 at 9:41 pm

    I just read a REALLY good spoiler on the alt.tv.lost google group page. It could be a FAKE of course but it didnt seem so. There were alot of “Its not this, and its definitely not that…” type of things that rule out some popular theories. If you are interested in reading it you’ll find it at:
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.lost

    The post I’m referring to is titled “CAUTION – MASSIVE SPOILERS – Lost Revealed – Answers and Clues Inside
    JJ – Dec 16, 2:27 am”

    I’d post it here but I know there are some who seriously don’t want to read spoilers just in case they may be correct. You know who you are you “Pleasure delayers” you! *smile* Me, I want everything right now!!! Life is short and this break between episodes is so loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong!
    *smile*

    ~angie

  136. 136
    jtits13
    Posted December 22, 2005 at 2:55 pm

    when is the new episode on?

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