i was SO PISSED that we left the scene in the hatch EXACTLY WHERE WE LEFT IT LAST WEEK!

ARGHHHH!

seeing the henna dolphin makes me wonder if the "monster" on the island is really some mechanical structure operated by the scotsman.

I don't think that group is "The Others." They have very crude weapons, and the teaser for next week showed Michelle Rodriguez being held by them. Could be more survivors of 815 or another group entirely. My bet is on more survivors from 815, including the old woman's husband.

Great write-up by the way...but to ascent to a perfect write up, you need more Evangeline screen grabs of her getting out of those ropes.

Great recap!
It's great when something actually makes me laugh out loud. It's also slightly embarrassing and causes others to stare at me.

Also, I was glad that you got a screencap of the logo on the shark. I wasn't sure if my eyes weren't fooling me.

Anyway, once again wonderful recap!

I thought that it was kind of a slow episode, but still fun. Did anyone else think that when Locke told Desmond that yes, he was him, that he was being straight up and really believed it? Then he got stumped by that snowman question...

A better screenshot would have been Kate crawling through the hatch, I think...

Lord of the Flies time next week!!

Michael's ex-girlfriend sucks! She took Walt away from him,to Amsterdam, didn't even give him a chance, and then he got nailed by that car! She is evil, I can't stand her. Hello lady, its his kid too! Oh well, karma is a...well we all know what happened to her.

I thought he said "hunters" then they saw those people.....though "others" makes much more sense!

Only because I've seen it on here before:

It's a perfect "segue" (transition), not "segway" (Dean Kamins-designed human transport device)

I totally had a TVgasm watching this last night.

Nice Odd Couple reference, EdHill. Are you that old or did you watch it with your parents, too?

Kudos for catching the logo on the shark...I had to watch in in slow motion in order to see it...!

Darn good episode and damn good recap EdHill, those zombies freaked me out, how did they not encounter them before? OMG and that website thingy "theislandiswaiting" is creepy..I can't believe a show this good is on TV, even if it only takes us 5 years to get to the bottom of it. I just hope the producers won't pull a "village" on us ..
Now other TvGasmers be posting this episode's comments in your last recap...holla at them here now

way to post a spoiler on your front page (via unavoidable screencap)

That's a pretty weak complaint, k-slice ... that's no more a spoiler than something you might see in a commercial for the show...

yeah, i love tvgasm and all, but i dont know if i want to read lost recaps anymore because i totally didn't catch the shark thing and now it's ruined for me. nice recap though, the crash test dummies line cracked me up cause i owned that cd back in the day.

Add "the numbers" up....you get 108. FREAKY.

Good catch on the logo. I didn't notice that on the shark's tale.

Michael gave little Walt a stuffed polar bear which was the only time Walt paid attention to him. Heh.

Michael totally missed Sawyer's point. No matter where Walt was, the Others would have come for him. If they'd stayed in camp, they would have raided it.

Of course these people are The Others and Girlfight is from Flight 815. Jack was thrown so far clear he landed in the trees. The co-pilot was still alive in the nose section way, way off in the jungle. She either landed in their territory or too far from the good beach and hiked into their turf.

The question is: How the hell did Jin, who jumped off the raft to rescue gunshot Sawyer (in the opposite direction of the boat), wind up on the island without drifting in on raft bits with the other two?

and why would he be tied up if "The Others" are crash survivors too?

No one mentioned the bit with Charlie and the statue of Mary.I also didn't catch the logo on the shark, so thanks for that as well.

blue- is that really what Walt is saying? It doesn't sound like that to me at all.

sorry- but to me it sounds like he's saying "where's The One? The One is bad."
Another website I went on thinks it is "Don't push the button. The button is bad." What do you guys think?

Dana--Walt is saying don't push the button. The little boy was on Jimmy Kimmel and said that's what it was. So the secret isn't what he was saying but what he meant by it.

I did not see the shark thing at all. That is why I read these things. Papercuts!--where are you with all the other things I may have missed?

Why has nobody commented on the actual logo itself? Yes - it is on every article of clothing Desmond wears (probably stitched into his underwear too) - and plastered on every wall and every item of food in the hatch and on the "shark's" tail. But LOOKIE at the symbol in the center of the logo - does it not look like a loch ness monster head or something? Perhaps this isn't a shark and maybe this beast can come onto land and eat pilots from crashed airplanes. Just a thought -- could some of you scroll back up to that image and give it a look? Please?

I also am not certain that those are "the Others" at the end of the episode. I think that is just what Jin called them. I wouldn't be surprised if they were crash survivors (one lady appears to be wearing a skirt and I would assume she used to be an Oceanic flight attendant before she took on this new job of island brute) who have become infected with that plague that I mentioned last week on my post. Damn I am pissed that I was right about that. If Shannon gets the plague and dies -- I will be through with this show. Through with it. "The Others" are somewhere, but I don't think these are them -- unless once you become infected with the plague you simply turn into an Other. I don't know. Ethan wasn't as zombie-like as those people in that preview so I am guessing that there are still different groups on the island.

Lady J - you asked how Jin was tied up on the island. My guess is that he actually decided to SWIM. Would you have wanted to stick around listening to sorry, pathetic, annoying-loser, Michael scream and yell at Sawyer? The man took a bullet for your son while you just stood on the raft questioning what "the others" meant when they asked for the boy. Perhaps your magical son wanted these others to appear to take him away from you. He can make birds and polar bears appear out of thin air so why not some friendly fishermen?

This episode answered some questions but there are still so many more that need to be answered! Is Hurley the one that Desmond is waiting for? He knows the numbers like nobody else. Why is Desmond actually running in the jungle on the next week's preview? Why haven't these people become infected with this virus/plague that ALL of the island's residents have made reference to? And when they DO become infected how many will die? Or will Desmond share his stash of inoculations with everyone? Can Michael stop being so selfish?

Desmond's questions creeped me out -- especially the one asking if there was still a world out there. Is this plague going to spread?

The Others must have scooped Jin up and brought him back for some reason. Don't know what that reason would be, but my guess it wasn't to teach him English.

Keeps those awesome recaps and comments coming...my unhealthy obsession with this show must be fed!!!

I don't think that Ethan was one of "the others." It seems to me that "the others" are after Walt, and Ethan was after Claire/her baby.
Doing the old ink blot test, the logo looks like a swan to me.
I don't know what "the others" want with any of them, because they have presumably been keeping Michelle Rodriguez all this time, and they haven't rotisseried her or anything.

Locke is screaming "what am I supposed to do" in the preview for next week. Maybe Desmond ventures out and locks 'ol Locke in there to replace him, having been told nobody is dying out there. I mean, he can't just leave the bunker empty with nobody entering the numbers. Of course, the hatch door is all blown to hell, so he'd have to restrain Locke somehow.

This is the first time I actually felt bored watching this show. The flashbacks of Michael's were totally unnecessary. No new information was divulged. I really, REALLY hope the writers know where they're going with this and they're not just dawdling til they figure it all out.

Why is the middle part of the logo different on the shark than on the wall? It seems like two half circles on the shark and a ying yang (?) thing on the wall.

Excuse me but was this WHOLE episode a recap of last weeks premiere with 15 minutes of new footage of people on the boat?

WTF is up with that? Way to drag out the plot lines writers & producers. Your Emmy should be taken back!

I agree that the Michael footage was dull, and kind of just a retread of last season, but you can't say that the majority of the episode was old footage ... we hadn't seen any of that Locke stuff before, and it was necessary to set up the whole scene where Jack met Desmond. They could have just done it chronologically, but you wouldn't have had the impact of the 'big reveal' when you and Jack sees who it is for the first time.

Umm...so what happens to our coolness quotient if we are THAT into LOST, but also can map the family trees of all that is elvish (and entish) in Middle Earth? No, really: I need to know. But hurry, there's a Star Trek/Star Wars combo convention in Pittsburg this weekend, and I'm busy packing, then am gonna fly.

Here are my spoiler filled speculations, so dont read if you aint interested......

I don't think the people Jin points to at the end are "the others" either. I think they are the other survivors and the reason they had him tied up is that without strong leaders like jack and Locke, they have devolved into a Lord of the flies like existance.

Remember last season when Hurley traced back to where the numbers came from and it was a guy who heard them repeated over and over on a radio transmission in the pacific years ago? THis must mean someone has been down in the hatch broadcasting those numbers for years. So Desmond cant have been the only one.

As for the logo, its a company insignia. Its on desmonds uniform and was even the insignia on the the shirt he wore in last weeks flashback. The name of the company on the insignia is "Dharma", which is a buddhist word meaning the universal order of inherent existance or something. SO this may be a clue about cloning. IT would also explain the polar bear and the mysterious monster.

My guess is Desmond has been tricked to stay down there by being told a story that the world ended in nuclear war or something (WOuld explain why hes asking if anyone got sick. radiation sickness) and he needs to keep entering hte numebrs to keep from ending the world for good or something.

the answer to the riddle "What does one snowman say to another snowman?" is " Do you smell carrots?". Its a kids joke.

I agree with America's Next Top Fan. This was a waste of an entire hour. What the hell did we learn from Michael's flashbacks? And the whole "It's your fault", "No, it's YOUR fault" between Michael and Sawyer didn't do a damned thing. I'm beginning to think we're in for a season of maybe 10 minutes of new information in every episode.

The show was continually billed as "the one where all the survivors' fates will be revealed". Huh?

We've suspended reality to watch a show about people that survived a piece of an airliner's crash on a beach. There's no way humans could survive a crash that severe, because that fuselage would have been spinning uncontrollably without a tail section. Fine. Now we're expected to believe the tail survived as well? Sorry, the acting is sometimes good, but this show did not deserve the Emmy and I for one am tired after only two episodes this season. I truly believe the writers are winging it every week, sitting around and saying things like "hey, let's have the fat guy run through the numbers again" and "let's take Locke's legs away again---ah ah, fooled YA!".

And about Jin--if the whole thing happened in one night, how the hell did he manage to swim back to the island, get captured, tied up and be ready to run to the beach to meet Michael and Sawyer?

Maybe the survivors should establish a hard perimeter and wait for Jack to come save them.

I agree with the reentering of numbers to keep the generators going, I figure that's how Desmond gets everything to work (lights, running water). I believe Hurley might be the one he just doesn't know it. Also it looked like Desmond didn't recognize Jack but I guess we'll find out more next week. I actually heard that the fates of all the survivors tease was for next weeks show not this last one. I love Lost but I didn't like the 35 minutes devoted to Michael's flashback. If you really wanted your son with you, you'd fight to the bitter end and no amount of tears or sad smiles would do it for you. Anyway, I digress. I also was noticing that the children on the island are always boys. Danielle had a son, there's Walt and Claire had a son. Think there's any significance to that? I thought of Ethan as being one of the others because he wasn't on the flight log and was after Claire for her child. The Others on the boat wanted Walt and the Others 16 years ago wanted Danielle's child.
Love your spoilers EdHill and TVWilliams.

I'm with Tony A. and America's Next Top Fan...totally disappointing episode. The scenes on the raft were just brutal and they spent waaaaay too much time on the flashbacks with Michael. Yeah, he lost his son again, we get it. I was suspicious that the "survivor's fates" would actually be revealed this episode but after the excellent season premiere I had my hopes up. Let's hope they step it up with a better episode next week.

(#27) The 'big reveal' happened twice. Last week at the end and this week near the beginning. How many 'reveals' of the same reveal can you take?

(#30) Yeah, hard perimeter. To protect against long unecessary rehashing of stories two episodes into a season.

(#31) Ooohh. Desmond doesn't recognize Jack. Now we can have a 3rd 'reveal' of the same reveal from the previous two episodes. Great.

Zombies! "Brains...brains"

ha!

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Hurley say that joke to someone in a previous episode? I believe he said the answer was "Freeze"!

Any thoughts on the connection?

The symbol is some Taoist symbol called a Ching I think? With the Yin Yang in the middle? I don't know what that would mean though...

Love your recaps bc I always miss stuff. Like the logo on the shark.

I also thought Jin said "hunters" not "others".

I think they replayed Michael's ordeal to get new audience members up to date with the show since winning the awards have probably attracted new people.

My theory on the hatch countdownt clock is it's a self destruct thing and if anything happens to Desmond (and whomever else is in there with him) the whole island blows. And now the computers got a bullet hole! eeeeeek!

And please, I need confirmation. Is flight 815 the Oceanic flight everyone was one?

And please remind me, did Frenchie (and her people) get to the island by boat?

Is there a website that would answer all these questions instead of me having to annoy TVGasm bloggers with my ingnorance?

Thanks for any info provided!

Sweetblondie30 - the flight number was 815. Frenchie and her crew got there by boat. The website for the show is oceanicflight815.com That site will tell you just about everything you need to know. Thanks to this site I was able to make a cast bio of everyone and see how they are all connected. I know, I know, I need a life. :)

I agree that this week's episode didn't give us nearly as much new info as many other episodes have, and following on the heels of the kickass premiere made it seem even slower than it really was.

But here's the thing--this show is so good and so engrossing that why not sit back and enjoy the ride? If they revealed things too quickly, we wouldn't have the fun of speculating and anticipating the next hint. If you can't appreciate this show and enjoy it for what it is, then don't watch. If you can't handle a show that doesn't reveal things on your timetable even though it's obvious that the majority of people are loving it, then watch something else you can enjoy. It's only the 2nd week of the 2nd season, so it's not like the show has dragged a single mystery on for years and years. So either have some patience and have some fun or focus on procedural dramas that wrap everything up at the end of each hour.

Palmtree, I could kiss your coconuts!

Thanks a million!

i think jin said "huthers" hey, its the accent.

but those zombie like persons ARE survivors from 815. if you look at them walking across the beach, one has a skirt, another has jeans on, another with a button down shirt. clearly they are survivors from the tail, but as there were so few of them, and they ended up on the "bad" side of the island they have had to create a much more savage existence relative to jack et. al, and so they will seem like crazy zombie savages. i am very interested how those people will interact with the "normal" jack and michael.

Why Sweetblondie30 I'm blushing!

When this thing was being introduced last year, word was that its construction would be as different as its content. That is, that LOST would have a distinct life, with its beginning, middle and end accomplished across a two-season run, that it was designed to be accomplished in that time, that the frame was set and only the details needed to be worked (allowing for some alteration betwwen inital concept and execution), and that this fact was another aspect of this show that makes it new and fresh--that unlike the usual stuff, the producers were not interested in spiraling the story out for several seasons just to keep raking it in...

Anybody know if that is still the plan?

I heard that Whedon had a rough outline of the show for four seasons, but had also devised a way to do it all in one or two if they were canceled. I hope they do it like you say Bobbie. I love the idea of story driven shows with specific life spans, as opposed to most American shows which are designed with a loose premise that they can keep going indefinitely, and if and when they do decide to end it, it simply ends, with no resolution.

callygirl, I agree with you too. I don't feel the need to have them reveal everything right away. It's our immediate gratification culture. I take pleasure in the guessing, the way they slowly reveal each mystery bit by bit.

All I'm saying is, when Jack sees Desmond the first time, the big reveal is, hey, that's the guy from his flashback. If they had done it chronologically following Locke down the hole, you wouldn't get the same impact when Locke meets Desmond for the first time ... but I do think that finding out what happened when he went down there was revealing, and important to completely set up the scene for whatever happens next. I totally agree that the Mike flashbacks were boring, and that the raft scenes in the middle of the night went on way too long...

Okay so I had a bit of a revelation in the shower. I think Walt is saying "Where's the missing one? The one who's missing."
Also, Desmond said in the flashback that he was a doctor of sorts. He also said that he was trining for a race around the world. He is the mad scientist of the island conducting all sorts of genetically engineered experiments. I believe at one point the shows producers said "everything on the show could be explained scientifically"

The numbers are still killing me.

And yes I thought this weeks episode was bogus as well.

C'mon guys, the funniest part of the show happend on the rafts:

Saywer (sarcastically): What are you gonna do, splash me?

Michael: (splash!)

ok callygirl.

I'll sit back & enjoy the ride for @ least 2 weeks. Hope it gets better or i'm ranting like a mothersucker.

this was a great recap. i totally missed the shark-tail thing.

i also didn't mind that the episode slowed down a bit and rewound some of the events in the hatch. i like the pacing, and i think that a big part of what makes 'lost' work is that j.j. abrams et. al. are drawing the story with such patience. i don't think we'd buy the storyline if the writers just dumped all of the facts out on the table, and it certainly wouldn't be suspenseful. michael's flashback this past episode was a little tedious and a little sadistic (i feel sorry for the actress who plays walt's mother--she must be drawing a lot of dirty looks in the grocery aisle these days), and it didn't seem to tell us anything we didn't know already, but you can never tell--this show has a way of tossing out the random detail that turns out to be important later on.

certainly, i feel more confident at this point that the writers know where they're going. there were a few moments last year where i felt like they might be floundering a little--like they'd thrown out all of this weird, spooky metaphysical stuff, and then realized they didn't know how to resolve anything and yet still keep at least another season or two's worth of story to tell--but i'm back on the hook at this point.

I'm sorry. Walt is saying "where's the one? The one whose missing?" not what I just posted

y'know...the more i look at the symbol..the more it looks like one of those maze puzzles.

perhaps it's some sort of map of something?

(just thinking out loud, folks)

Did I say Whedon? I meant j.j. abrams...

That being said, go see Firefly.

The symbol is the symbol for I Ching.

TO see some really wacky theory go here

http://www.egoplex.com

#49 Jack, you may be right about never knowing what little detail is important. I was over on some other Lost board and they showed pictures of Walt's mother's female lawyer and the woman who tossed the bomb onto the raft and they could be the same person. So maybe that's why they showed that scene. Though how the heck she got there is quite a stretch! That lawyer reminded me of a beat up version of Cheri Oteri from Saturday Night Live.

I sure hope the real plotline lives up to the fun of guessing! Also, the posters on TVgasm are SOOO much cooler than that other board.

I found a link to the symbol. It is part of the I Ching. Click here to read more about it. Too cool.

http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefspakua.htm

I agree sweetblondie30 (#47). Michael and Sawyer cracked me up. They were so frustrated with each other. They sounded so ridiculous.

Thanks for the recap, I also completely missed the logo on the shark.

I thought this was a great episode even if the Michael flashbacks were a little boring. It gave us insight into how he must have felt to have gotten back the child he'd lost only to lose him again. I look forward to any little reveal every week. I enjoy being let down or irritated each week when I still feel like I don't know everything. I actually hate to think about the day when we know all the secrets because then what? The fun is in the mystery. It's in all the theories and speculations.

With the closed captioning on Jin said " Udders, udders" , so maybe they will be adding beef to their boar-only diet. I need these posts to keep up, i totally missed the shark logo. wasn't that logo on all the food Kete was looking at too?

The flashbacks are half of the show. I really do not like all of the people who are "against" them. The name of the show is Lost. This is a double-meaning...they are physically lost on the island, and they were mentally lost in their previous lives. All of them had severe personal problems before crashing, and the recaps are describing those. If you don't like character development, then don't watch the show.

#24 I think you are right on the money. I wonder how Kate plays into that (saving Locke or just escaping).

The other great Sawyer line, right after he dug the bullet out (yeah, right!): "Got a bandaid?" HA!

some interesting info

"In 1929, Dr. John Desmond Bernal conceived of the Bernal sphere, a rotating space colony with a diameter of approximately 15 kilometers (9.3 miles), filled with air and colonized around the equator, where the rotation of the colony would create centrifugal force to simulate Earth's gravity.

In the 60s and 70s, speculation and research into the possibility of space colonies experienced a renaissance, brought on by the Space Race. One of the most prominent thinkers participating in the design and advocacy of space colonies was Princeton physicist Gerard O'Neill, who in 1969 asked the provocative question, "Is the surface of a planet really the right place for an expanding technological civilization?" Throughout the 70s, O'Neill led workshops that investigated several proposed space colony designs in great detail. A NASA Summer Study in 1975 investigated three primary designs, dubbed Island One, Island Two, and Island Three. All three are based on the premise of a self-sustaining, artificial ecology within the station, called an arcology.

Island One was the Bernal sphere, an enclosed design (good for protecting against radiation), excepting the poles, which would be left open to allow mirrors to redirect sunlight from the outside to the interior of the colony."

link to article: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-types-of-space-colonies-have-been-proposed.htm

Thanks for the shark still- every scene with Michael bored me to tears and I was out of the room doing dishes. Dang, I must've been really bored!

I stumbled across this on another site. The numbers might be GPS coordinates. If you put them in right like 4.815 x 162.342. Use google earth and see for yourself. http://www.flickr.com/photos/sh/47743274/

There is an island to the northeast called Kosrae. Very wierd all in all.

Oh EdHill...they didn't shoot Michael...they shot Sawyer.

I'll forgive you, but only because I didn't catch the shark/logo thing. Next time though I will punish you...hardcore...grrrr, you sexy bastard.

I didn't realize that there were people out there that watched shows they didn't like. That's what you get. So if you don't like what's happening(or not happening, as the case may be)stop watching! That way you won't have to bitch so much about it!

This show is awesome and the best thing to come to Network TV in a long time. It's like sweet sweet foreplay.....with little tvgasms interspersed throughout.....

Thanks for the update, Ed!!

Reuters
Sept 29th 2005
'Lost' and Found Secrets

A secret has been accidently revealed in an upcoming People magazine about the hit ABC show Lost and the network is furious. In an interview in next week's People Magazine, cast star Maggie Grace (Shannon ) let slip that her and another castmember Jorge Garcia ( Hurley ) will not be returning for Episode Three.
"They've already written the story arc for the next few seasons and Jorge and I seem not to be included", the 24 year old actress tells People.

that doesnt mean anything.

we didnt see them in episode two, BESIDES the previews show hurley in the bunker...so thats a bit incongruous at best.

#65

I really doubt that for a number of reasons, and if its even true in the first place, it might have been purposeful. These actors have explicit contracts not to reveal plot details; if she was that stupid to give away something like that, I hope she has money and a good lawyer.

I love to specualte just like everyone else, but if anyone gets some hard spoiler news (like the person who was leaked that will be dying) try not to post it in here. I'd like to keep it to just rampant Oliver Stone style speculation.

Hey, don't bash Shannon or the actress that plays her. As I said earlier, if she gets the plague and dies I am gone. No more Lost for me.

But as for that being a "major spoiler" I don't think it holds any water whatsoever. I have also read that they have extra pages in scripts etc. and that the actors have no idea what is going on a few weeks from today. They don't know until they need to know. I have ALSO read that this series was originally planned for a two season show. Everything could have been resolved in this amount of time but that they were able to change that period of time if the show actually had a following and wasn't cancelled by the network execs. I hope ABC doesn't keep this show coming back season after season to milk as much money out of it as they can. I will miss the show, but I don't want its quality to decline either. I'd rather it exit at its peak. Who knows what the writers/creators have in store for the cast or us.

I already posted a rather lengthy response earlier to this board but I wanted to add something more after I realized that these execs at ABC aren't playing with us. So here goes . . .

I will have to say that I was disappointed that we had so much of Michael in this episode -- but I am now understanding the necessity of more of his back story. Walt is a "special" boy and maybe his mother traveled all around the world for work all of the time because she worked for some "other" organization (didn't Desmond say something about a race around the world and doesn't she move around quite a bit -- Amsterdam, Rome and then Sydney?). She had to keep him close, and perhaps her death was instigated. This might also explain the idea that her lawyer had an uncanny resemblance to the bomb-thrower on the ship. Maybe this is another character that will make an unexpected appearance to one of our islanders. Jack had Desmond, perhaps this lady lawyer will be Michael's. I don't know. I just know that the writers wouldn't give us half of a show of juicy little tidbits and then another half hour of "crap." There is a reason we are still learning more of his back story -- and being introduced to some other characters. Michael is my least favorite person on the island, but I am going to give this some time to work itself out.

Egads! I have to thank my
youngest son [who may be older than you think] for directing me to LOST on TVgasm. You are a crew of keepers. I'm betting I'm one of the oldest new members of the forum. So be nice to an old Pirate while she gets acquainted. Being old can come in handy sometimes, like when you need to solve an old riddle, or come up with the words to BEYOND THE SEA. Bobby Darrin and I were once castaways together in Las Vegas, oops! that's another story for another time. I loved EdHill's wrap on the 2nd episode, and look forward to reading his past efforts so I can get up to speed.

IF you've already discussed some of the following just ignore and move on. My feelings won't be hurt.

1. Who remembers an old Outer Limits [B/W TV old] about a group of marooned people, the end of the tale reveals they are only live "dolls" in a little boys playroom?
2. Mr. Pirate Queen believes that Desmond is an astronaut. He was about to go on a, " 'round the world trip," wink wink nudge nudge. Is the bunker part of a space craft gone bad?
3.One more practical comment, the message about LOST being planned as a two year series seems extremely unlikely. To make any real money a show must find it's way into syndication. To do that it must have at least 5 years worth of episodes in the can.
4. Why limit ourselves to thinking there is a virus or some other biological hazard outside the hatch? Why not radiation? Or some other atmospheric poison?
5. The most intriguing part of this week's plot was Desmond's plaintive question, "Are you him?" We need serious speculation on the answer to his question. Who is HIM? My money is on Sawyer, you gotta' love a guy who pulls bullets out of his shoulder with his bare hands. However this question may help to date Desmond's stay in the underground bunker'. After all, if he entered after about 1980 his question would be, "Are you him or her?" A gender specific question being PI. And he could not have entered into the mysterious hiding place before the Mama' & Papa's album was released.
6. I agree that parts of this episoe dragged a little, but the writers have promised [and the Pirate Queen expects promises to be kept] that everything has a reason in this story. That there are no red herrings, which is why it's so much fun to watch and try to solve the mystery!
7. If Hurley told the Snowman joke last season, I missed it. I have the Dvd's so I'm on the hunt.
8. No one seems to have noticed the geodesic dome inside the 'bunker'. Do we look for the shade of Bucky Fuller?
9. I bow to candace who may be older than the Pirate Queen, considering her intimate knowledge of the Bernal Sphere and the early plans for a utopian colony in space.Good call, 5 dubloons from the PQ.

Oh yeah, if you were a government agency with unlimited resources and could make your own animals, why would you choose a shark?

I just had a very strange thought. I read the Ender’s Game series a few years ago and Desmond’s questions, “Is there a world still out there?,� and has anyone gotten sick? reminds of the Descolda virus from Ender’s Game. It could take over entire planets, but was created by an alien life form that had control of it. It was deadly to humans, but some life forms called "piggies" required it to live or something like that. I don't remember completely

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

Interseting comments from everyone. I will still watch and try to find the subliminal messages, but I get so involved in it that's it's hard to look at the big picture sometimes. I do know that the writers said it's not gonna turn out like a Newhart bad dream thing or anything at the very end, so I think that the dollhouse thing is not plausible. I still think that Walt is The One though- not Hurley.

It seemed like the most significant part of Michael's flashbacks was where he gave Walt the polar bear. Other than that, Michael's flashbacks were not only boring but depressing, too.

One thing I forgot to say before--How stupid is Kate to eat that candy she found in the hatch? She doesn't know what that shit is. I don't suppose there's any chance it will kill her? I can always hope.

Has anyone else seen the new script page on oceanicflight815.com? What the hell is that?

okay since you're all so eager here are a couple of clues for you to work on.

1. anyone know what a one person submersible can be camouflaged as?
2. who recognised the lead pirate beneath that fake beard?
3. candy bars

i liked the episode. one thing to keep in mind, when you think you're not getting anything new, there's new stuff. it was important to show the rest of the story w/michael and walt(not just because he gives the kid a stuffed polar bear)...i think it showed why michael is SO protective of walt and treats him like a delicate package in his care. desmond recognizes jack, he's a bit whacked from being underground forfreakingever.(can't wait for that reveal) hurly's backstory is oct 12th...i'm sure we'll get some interesting shit from that. the 3rd episode(this wed) is supposed to tie up OLD questions...everytime we learn one thing, another question comes out...that's why i dig this show. you won't be fed answers quickly...folks who want that should watch 7th heaven!
not sure if there was a person in the shark or not, but i think those candy bars are laced w/something...is it almost wednesday yet?

Bobbie- will you marry me? We can watch Lost on TV, LOTR on DVD and then, if you are truly my soulmate, go see the chronicles of narnia on the big screen.

I did not catch the insignia on the shark, but when I saw it on the wall I thought it was a cobra.

Victoria, I agree. When she put that candy in her mouth I was like "don't do it!!"

I also kind of wondered if there was any significance to Michael's ex girlfriend's sudden change of heart, when she was like "I think you're goig to win in court" after we saw his arguments were kind of weak (non present dad, they weren't married, he had no money.) Seemed odd that she suddenly gave up the court battle. But maybe I'm being too much of a lawyer.

I was afraid for Kate when she opened the candy bar and ate it because I was thinking "what the hell are you doing, you don't know what that is!?" But why on earth would a candy bar that was placed in the hatch be anything bad? Was Desmond supposed to poison the Other's children when they come around on Halloween? I don't think so -- so I would assume that the candy was safe for her to eat. I also question if Apollo made reference to the Greek god or something that he did. But I ran a google search on "Apollo Candy Bar" and found a Wikipedia entry on it so maybe this is just an off brand.

The candy bar is produced in one flavor -- Chocolate Cranberry or something like that -- and distributed out of Japan by the parent company Meiji Seika. Strangely, this link provides a little back history of the company and how it started out making food products such as chocolate and have ended up making contributions to medicine and the sciences. Here is a big clip from the webpage --

"Since the company's foundation in 1916, our food business has provided consumers with rich experiences of great taste. Strong sales of our flagship products, “Milk Chocolate� and “Almond Chocolate,� continue to this day — sales so robust that the Meiji brand is often considered synonymous with quality chocolate.
Our pharmaceuticals business started its operation in 1946 with the production of penicillin, and has contributed to the realization of today's long-lived society by providing various types of anti-infectious drugs. Over the last few years, we have expanded our product line with medicines for the central nervous system, winning Meiji Seika a respected presence in the neurology and infectious disease sectors. In these ways and more, Meiji Seika is steadily growing as a specialty pharmaceutical company.
Our healthcare business, launched in 2001 as Meiji Seika's third field of endeavor, is based on the technologies and expertise we have developed in our food and pharmaceuticals businesses. Our goal in entering this sector is to promote better health through ordinary pharmaceuticals, health foods and sports supplements, and through related services."

http://www.meiji.co.jp/en/index.html

I highly doubt that this is anything whatsoever -- the description of their candy product looks nothing like the one Kate ate -- but I did find it rather interesting since it seems to bring together a few of the things on the island.

I saw on another site that hurley did tell the snowman joke last season and the answer was freeze. Seems to me that Hurley is the link to all this... he might be "him" and not know it? Did next week's preview show Hurley in the hatch or did I dream that?

I to had always heard the snowman joke with "freeze" as the punchline. Hell I even had some guy tell me that joke at a bar in DC last night with "freeze" as the punchline.

My husband's theory was that the shark is mechanical, but then couldn't explain why there was blood in the water after Michael was shooting at it.

My mom is Korean and we're having her over next week to translate what the heck Jin is saying. Makes me wish I'd paid attention in korean school...

I now agree with your husband, Laurie. I don't know about the blood either because I couldn't say that it was Sawyer's since he didn't bleed a whole lot (he is just too strong for me -- not Ethan strong, but almost right up there).

After episode one I was certain that Desmond wasn't alone in the hatch -- the dirty dishes, the bunk bed for one person etc. Following this second episode I had completely forgotten about my earlier assumption. I thought that the "shark" was tattooed with the logo but I just don't buy that. I would say that it did not eat Sawyer or even become overly aggressive with the raft because it couldn't.

This may sound stupid, but I think there is a man/woman in it that lives with Desmond and there is another entry point for the hatch beneath the water or something. The survivors (or other island inhabitants) haven't come across an entry through a cave or anything so this hatch could have been reached "secretly" by this corporation beneath the sea. Bringing a boat into harbor would be too risky for Dharma. This and there is no way that habitat could have been furnished by dropping everything down that damned hatch.

There has to be something about the bunk bed.

#75 - is that ABC in the UK? Thought I'd 'recognized' you.

#77- Leah3T, Sorry! My husband says I can't marry anybody else right now. And I think HE'S my soulmate. Don't be too discouraged, though--we may very well be soulbuddies, and there is SOOOO much opportunity to have SOOOO many of them! In fact, I feel a kismetic vibe from so very many people here...

#75 - one person submersible could be disguised as a shark!

#80 - If there is a person in that mechanical shark then that is where the blood could have come from them when Michael shot at it

Hmmmm........

You make me laugh so hard TVGasm. The Jennifer Love Hewitt line just about made my week!

So if the theory is crazy scientist...how does that explain them taking Locke's "legs" temporarily? (Remember in the episode Boone died, Locke was having trouble walking)

New INFO: Very Detailed!!!

In the first scene of episode 1 of this year, we see a few minutes of Desmond in the hatch. Check out the DRUG bottle that Desmond uses. The large print says RX-1 but in very very small print on the top part of the bottle reads 4 8 15 16 23 42. Check it out for yourself.

Put together these clues in the same episode. Hurley says he first heard the numbers in an insane asylum. More than likely from a former human experiment prior to Desmond gone bad.

Last year, the unaccounted for man had super human strength, potentially living in the hatch with Desmond or prior to Desmond. OR maybe he's "The Guy" that never found the hatch.

Why does Desmond sleep in a bunk?
Why are there guns in the hatch? Why are there LOTS of guns in the hatch if only 1 person is in the hatch?
Logo?
Shark...I have to go back and see it for myself. Good eye on that one. Bravo!
Ping pong table is set up for one-player.
Apollo?
Government drug/ experiment?
Related to NASA?
When was Nasa started?
Drug to prolong life?
Desmond was expecting someone implying a non-permanent stay in the hatch.
Sum of the NUMBERS is 108.
Desmond running stairs years prior. Desmond doing "morning" exercises in the hatch working out very hard, as if he was training.
Artificial Sunlight?
Tick marks on the wall/counting days/weeks?
Numbers in descending order. Why?
Desmond: Significance of playing THAT tune/music as Desmond hears people coming down the hatch.
Opening Scene: Desmond is highly motivated and very maticualus. Why?
When he first waked up, he goes to the computer. Why?

The numbers are related to the drug/ human experiment.
Any science people out there know the Periodic Table and see a relation to the NUMBERS?

I don't see any relation between the numbers and the periodic table. With life the most important elements are carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen and phosphorus. The numbers (if looked at as either atomic numbers or atomic masses) don't include carbon, which is the basis of organic matter.

Desmond's washer and dryer are very modern. This could either be a clue or a mistake by the show's producers/creators. In season #2 episode #1, we view Desmond's lair. Among the items shown are his washer and dryer. If you recorded the show, go back and view the washer/dryer shwon in the background. They are very new/current appliances. I only know this due to the fact that I was recently in the market for a washer and dryer. During the episode, I was trying to figure out how long he'd been holed up there based on how old his stuff appeared to be. But the washer and dryer really threw me off. The show is so good at getting the details correct, I'll be surprised if they accidently included a washer/dryer set from 2003-2005.

It didn't look like a modern washer/dryer to me, and I re-watched it several times. Front-loaders were popular before top-loaders.

Also, the thing in the middle of the logo (in the screen cap) looked like a swan to me. It was confirmed here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sh/47719786/in/photostream/

Are the washer/dryer the same in every scene? Are we certain that the hatch is only showing one time and not different times altogether? I still think the hatch appears dirtier in some shots. And I still question why his hands are dirty if he just showered? He also doesn't look very clean-shaven to me either.

I knew it was a swan!

Wow, I amazed at how many people missed the shark. I saw the shark, although I wear bifocal lenses and watched the episode the next day on a VHS recording. None of my friends or coworkers caught it. Good job job-reviewer for catching it. I was relieved to find out I wasn't seeing things!

I was just reading some articles on the foxnews website. They talked of a rumor that the actors playing Kate & Charlie are dating in real life, thought neither actor will confirm or deny it. The article stated there was some public displays of affection in a parking lot for everyone to see.

Okay, check out this site. It shows pics from this last episode. You can see a plasma TV.
http://www.star941sandiego.com/pages/losttvshow.html

Are you sure the counter reset to 108 hours? The way it was counting down during the episode, it looked like minutes/seconds, not hours/minutes which would mean it reset to 108 minutes. Maybe I missed a 3rd set of numbers on the countdown clock.

Here you go George, here is a picture of the clock.

http://www.ricestudios.com/lost/s2e02/countdownreset3gs.jpg

Thanks - it still looks like minutes and seconds instead of hours and minutes to me. :-)

If you search for Dharma on google, you'll find links with Buddhism and the 6 perfections. Could it be linked to how everyone on the island is there to "soul save" one another? Hmmmm. I'm going deep on this one as i know his last show "~Alias" was linked to the davinchi code. Read up on it and let me know? P.s. it says nothing of Sharks with Logo's thats just got me.

The link with Buddhism cannot be denied, everyone on the Island has had or witnessed a spiritual event that has improved or impacted the 'inner soul'.
I still believe that the Island is in fact a country - has anyone from the flight actually bothered to map, explore beyond the black rock?

I agree, The clue was given when they first set asail on the raft. Sawyer Commented it's pretty big for an island.
I Find it strange how Walts mother was so despirate to get him over to Holland to the new "well paid " job. Wasnt the 2 scientists who created Dharma of a dutch family name? beat that ;-)

I think they are all dead from the crash and like ghost story they can`t come to grips with death until they deal with there inner deamons.The island is a holding cell.

It Might Not Be A Shark The Nose Is More Like A Dolphin

'scuse me for butting in, but there's an alternative punchline to the one Hurley used.

What did one snowman say to the other?

Can you smell carrots?

What did the snowman say to the other one?

1."it's b~stard freezing"
2. " i wonder when we'll melt"
3. " i wonder if that kid over there is going to kick my head in"
4. "how come you've got a carrot and i havnt?"
5. "when was the last time it snowed?"
6. "hi"