I think the whole expectation of the girl fitting into the guy's life is what turned me off of this train wreck. I'm not a feminist by any means, and I loved to make fun of the girls, but every time they get to this point in the show I get shoe-throwing mad at everyone, and I just love my Phil package-bringing television too much to hurt it.

Before I read the rest of the recap, I need to point out that parents who kiss their kids on the lips creep me out.

Carry on.

Okay, wait, hold on...okay.

Other kisses that creep me out: hand kisses from overly dramatic tall-foreheaded women with no eyebrows. Ick.

Sorry. Got a memory like a fruit-fly. Have to get things out in mid-recap.

Itchy, you want creeped out? Did you watch Momma's Boys?

One of the mothers was kissing her son (a fully grown man!) on the lips. Hello??? MORE than creepy!

For the record, I kiss my kids on their foreheads.

Can ABC not afford a landscaper? That mansion looks like the Tower of Terror... wait, doesn't Disney own ABC? I hope the girls know not to use the elevator.

My kids (boys) won't even let me hug them, much less give 'em kisses. I'm just waiting until that period where everything I do will embarrass the fuck out of them. Boy, that's going to be fun! Can't wait! Hee hee!

I think I understand why this show fascinates me as much as it does --because it takes itself sooooo seriously. All the other competition reality shows know they're a freak show, which takes away part of the fun.

But the Bachelor is so damned earnest and eager to believe in its own mythology...it's the reality-tv equivalent of a jesus-freak convention... or a boy scout jamboree.

Yes, the Little Robotic Plot-building Device--oh, I mean Ty--would look adorable puking on the boobs of any of these potential mommies, and I can't wait to hear in six months that Wonder Dad and Mommie-Not-So-Much are no longer together.

I used to think I would love to be the bachelor and have ABC line up a bunch of burly hot daddies for me to taunt, tease and make out with, but I have to say, agreeing with laska, this point in the show is painful. I'm really glad you're watching this for us, Honey, and I"m soooo loving your tone with this too.

It is really hard to know who he's leaning toward, and therefore, who to pity!!! I have an argument for them all except Naomi, but I'm not even watching this . . . I'm thinking Molly and Jillian have the edge, as they seem more fun and light than the others, but this show has almost entirely reversed everything I thought, or felt, about Jason. Guess I should just face it that I root for underdogs, and now that he's top dog looking for the right accessory, I'm with you Honey, purple!? I don't know why he doesn't see that what would fit in his life is some sun hating guy!!!

and Jason, never never never say who is the best anything, Tool!!!

Thanks Honey!!!

Anyone else think stephanie is the next bachelorette?

pappy, it turns out I work in movie advertising, and at the press check at the the LA Times they had an article about the bachelor last week that said Steph was gone, and that people were voting for her to be the next bachelorette . . . I dunno though, isn't this one bad enough . . . and she kinda knew he wasn't in it with her, and she kissed his hands. So when does Bitchanna, I mean, Deanna come back?

I never did hear why the article was printed out of sync with the show, controversy!!!

Itchy, I don't know about sons, but for daughters, it seems that they start to get mortified by every breath you take and every move you make in their presence when they are around 12 1/2... Sometimes it pisses you off and other times it makes you laugh.

Second thought...can't believe they took Naomi to a Dick's Sporting Goods for her special one on one date???

I like Jillian, but that naturally means she's way too cool for Jason!

Yeah, when does Deanna come back? I thought it would have happened by now. I'm guessing it's just a ploy for ratings...like the whole Jeremy return last year.

Hey, juddfan, I always, always root for the underdog in these type of shows...dunno why. Maybe it's because, if all the other losers on these shows hate one person, then that person has to be all right...

I really hope they don't go with the Giant Frozen Forehead for the next Bachelorette. She may be sweet etc etc, but she's really annoying to watch. And the antithesis of sexy. Reminds me of the Marcia Cross character on Desperate Housewives.

And I'm not so sure that milking the death of her husband for a ride on the Reality TV Train speaks all that highly of her character.....

Of course, I'm drunk right now, so I'm probably being too harsh. Hic!

knock back a glug for me, itchy! If they redo Mars Attacks, I'm sure Stephanie would be perfect for the alien bride--jeez, that seems mean, but doesn't she!?

Why didn't Ty's bedroom have curtains?
None of these women seem to have a "connection" with Jason, maybe he will go with Deanna. They deserve each other.

I swear there is nothing more annoying to me that some pseudo-intellectual drivel. Definitely my pet-peeve. I start screaming each and every time I hear Jason use 'I' instead of 'me'. Like 'it was nice for Molly and I', 'we were talking about Melissa and I' and the final straw 'the Stephanie and I's date'!!!! I's???? Really??? MORON!!! I did not like him on Deanna's show but I did not mind him. But since starting his own he has all points he might have scored before (and probably only cause I must have been high from my meds - sober I can't stand him now! What a BOOOOOOORING guy. Did you notice that he very fast runs out of conversation topics, and then grabs for the immediate life-saver: Ty or making out. He seriously grossed me out so much I can't even watch his kissing scenes anymore. Good luck to any girl that gets stuck with him - that's how lucky I think she'll be. Run for the hills while you still can.

Wow, when my face looks like an oil slick, I use some powder (Stephanie)!

This show is offensive on so many levels. The Bachelorette doesn't bother me as much because the guys don't seem as invested in it (except tools like Jason)and the woman has a certain amount of "control." The men just get into the competition and want to have fun.

After subjecting poor little Ty to this nightmare, and getting him involved with one of these immature young women for a few months, only to have her disappear, is bad enough. But for Stephanie to do this to her little girl would be unconscionable.

It DOES seem like the woman, whether she is the Bachelorette or a contestant on the Bachelor, is the one who moves (DeAnna, Trista, etc.). I guess guys' lives are just waaay more important, hmmm? Maybe that's why the women are usually so young: they aren't as established and are willing to pull up stakes. (At least Jason has a good reason for needing to stay in Seattle: it may be in the custody agreement. Or he may just not want to take Ty away from his mom.)

I think it's offensive that some of the women who are teachers say that they have "portajobs" or are "portawives." Way to demean yourself and your (important) job. Why not just live in a motor home? Don't you have family or friends?

I agree with everyone who finds it disgusting how the guys just expect the women to fit into their lives.
Nothing is ever said about how the guy will fit into the woman's life.
Blech.

And Jason is really bugging me.
I wasn't a huge fan of his when he was on the Bachelorette, but I am really starting to dislike him this time around.

ugh...and don't even get me started on how all the women throw themselves at him. I really don't see how he's that big of a catch.

I really think I'm just waiting for him to come out of the closet. Does anyone else sense this from him?

One of the differences with this season is that presumably all of these women are here because they were attracted to this douchebag from the previous season.

There's no accounting for taste after all (just ask Mrs. Itchy how she puts up with me).

I also figure that these women don't have much going on with their lives back home and that's why they signed up for the show. So I don't see that as a big deal.

So if they choose to uproot themselves to live a life of dull conversation and repressed gayness, that's up to them.

Except I have the feeling that Jillian was recruited into this -- I suspect she'd never seen the show before.

Now that Stephanie is gone, I can move on to wondering about the weirdness of Naomi's face. Reminds me of one of those Easter Island statues.

Itchy-Most of the past Bachelors have relied more on looks than Jason, IMO. Aside from the super-loopy women, they picked the hottest ones who fit into their "type."

Jason sure hasn't ended up with the prettiest as his final four has he? Good for him, I guess. Molly and Melissa are pretty, but the other two...well...

I haven't actually watched the show yet, so I can't comment as to his gaiety. But there are some effeminate guys who are hetero. I've dated a couple of them and they were really, really hetero.

I agree that he is not much of a catch.

Stephanie looks prettier and younger in the picture at the top of this recap than she has at any other time during the show...

I think this is on opposite 24? (ABC=morons) So I have never watched it. I saw the season where Deanna dumped him for Jesse, whom she's now also broken up with. I thought he was a milquetoast weirdo then and it turns out he still is. And I ain't missing much not watching. :-)