Casey Anthony: Not Guilty

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   LAjane81
   Posted July 5, 2011 at 11:53 am

   This sort of bothers me. I know that Tvgasm isn’t an objective news source, but the jury who found her not guilty listened to weeks of testimony, examined the evidence, and found that the prosecution hadn’t met their burden. Something this serious doesn’t come down to “well, I didn’t like that lawyer.” Granted, I’m a defense attorney so I’m probably biased, but it really bugs the hell out of me when people are tried and convicted in the media before the jury even has a say. It’s supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. End of rant.

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   Tmurda
   Posted July 5, 2011 at 11:54 am

   “Alrighty, ya’ll. It’s officially time to blow the dust off my shit list, and unleash hell, one at a time. My trunk is huge, and already smells like rotting flesh, so that’s taken care of…….Let’s see…i’ll dump the bodies down the road on my way to da club. And I’m suddenly inspired to go through with that “MURDER RULES!” tattoo i’ve been wanting to get. I’m off work tomorrow from my pretend job, so i’m thinkin VIDEO NIGHT with the BF!!! Hey, don’t judge me!: I WAS MOLESTED, UH-KAY?”

   FML. Man, I can’t wait to cross paths with this big-eared sociopath in Hell. I pray that her baby’s lifeless eyes, and desperate cries haunt her through nightmares every single time she rests her head till the day she dies.

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   PlathAddict
   Posted July 5, 2011 at 12:03 pm

   I can see her career trajectory now: Playboy, followed by Dancing with the Stars, followed by a Tell All Memoir.

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   Elmstreet
   Posted July 5, 2011 at 12:03 pm

   Man, if only O.J. Simpson weren’t in prison, he could drive to Florida and give her a high five.

   This isn’t wishful thinking on my part, it’s an observation: I’m curious to see how far Casey Anthony makes it out of the courthouse and back into the real world before someone tries to get her.

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   PlathAddict
   Posted July 5, 2011 at 12:15 pm

   I wonder if Nancy Grace exploded with the force of a 1000 sons when the verdict was read?

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   ohralphie
   Posted July 5, 2011 at 12:17 pm

   Boggles the fucking mind that this woman walks.

   What will be interesting to see is if her brother and father (forever labeled as incestous raptists) welcome the whore with open arms or not. I know the psychomom will — I’ve a feeling that her hell bent determination she had to cover for Casey has more to do with keeping up appearances then actual concern for her daughter.
   I can only hope to god that this bitch doesn’t have another child…..ever.

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   classy drunk
   Posted July 5, 2011 at 12:20 pm

   It’s tough to think that she will make it out of this with the way her name has been dragged through the mud. As of right now it would be tough for her to get a job to support herself and by the looks of it her family isn’t going to be all that supportive either.

   Like the defense attorney said…there are no winners in the situation.

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   mere2142
   Posted July 5, 2011 at 12:20 pm

   She’ll be on ‘Celebrity Rehab’ in a few years playing the same card Amy Fisher is playing now – it’s the media’s fault I can’t live a normal life. They made me out to be this horrible person and ruined my life. When you don’t report your missing child for 30 days you’ve pretty much dug your own grave. I suspect the real world will be cruel to Casey.

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   plockeness monster
   Posted July 5, 2011 at 12:39 pm

   If she has another kid ever, the media is going to follow her around like flies.

   If this skank makes any money off of this situation…

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    Bored Silly
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    PlathAddict, I did hear an explosion, and I think it probably is Nancy Grace’s head.

    I’m taking up a collection for TotMom to get her tubes tied–I think it’s a good idea, whether she’s guilty or not.

    I read that her parents left without joining in the post-trial celebration.

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    lindaw205
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    I’m wondering if she’s already in talks with Miss Andy.

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    considerthis
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Well said T-murda! However any mother doing body shots at da club while her daughter is “missing” has no remorse so to have a guilty conscious going forward you have to first have a conscious.

    With all the stories Casey spewed out via her lawyers to throw anybody and everybody under the bus the water became so muddy it almost force fed the jury reasonable doubt.

    Ohralpie hit the nail on the head as Cindy Anthony is so about keeping up apperances they she has lost all touch with the fact that she can now lay claim to being the matriarch of the most dysfunctional family in America. What will happen to the Child Molesting father now or is that covered under lying to authorities????

    Will the case be re-opened or just like Nicole Brown Simpson just fades away???

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    Tmurda
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Oh, and are we all agreed that she clearly skipped school to bang her BF the day Health Class went over abortion, adoption, B.C., and abstinence? I just have this picture in my head of Casey giving the body a little toss, then quietly saying to herself “Well….that was fun for a while…” brushing off her hands with a shrug…..”
    GUUUUUURRRRLS NIIIGHT!!! Whoop whoop!”

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    juddfan
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    PlathAddict–hahahahaha!!! Bored silly, it was her head, it just flew past my building and is picking up speed!!!

    I didn’t follow this very close, but everything I did see just looked like lie on top of lie, I wouldn’t envy anyone trying to sort through it all. Perhaps they couldn’t prove murder, but the child abuse charges are a given. Chloroform as a babysitter . . . .3 months to report a missing child should just be an automatic charge. I would love to hear what the jury thinks DID happen?

    Watching her face as the verdict was read was interesting. The cold bitch cries, and call me crazy, but I”m with Tmurdar . . . it felt like the guilt was already started to eat her from the inside out . . .

    It’s so hard to understand the role of a sociopath in society, so hard for people who feel to imagine someone who doesn’t . . . but she has to be, she has to be!!! I can’t explain it any other way.

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    straighttohell
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    Honestly I haven’t been following the case too closely because seeing Caylee’s face is heartbreaking. I die a little inside watching the home movies. Whether Casey killed her or not, this child is dead, and while I hope she didn’t suffer too horribly in her last moments, as big of a deal as people like Nancy Grace and the media keep making this issue out to be,I feel sadder knowing it will be virtually forgotten in a few months or a year. I’ve seen it happen in quite a number of high profile cases.

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    Betsy Furman
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    I followed the trial and watched the closing arguments. I have to admit that the defense did an excellent job punching holes in the prosecutions case in their closing. Jose Baez proved reasonable doubt over and over and over again. That’s all the jury needed. By law that is all they needed. The judge made it very clear in his final instructions. She did it, they just couldn’t prove it. I’m still just as shocked as everyone else but there just wasn’t enough factual evidence to prove that she and she ALONE did this. Her family is too fucked up to make them believe that.

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    Kammie
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Two things:
    Tmurda – tell me how you really feel! Seriously though, that was well said. She’ll get her judgement someday no doubt.
    PlathAddict – LOL at the Nancy Grace joke! I’m just looking at the silver lining in all of this…hopefully soon I’ll never have to hear her say “tot mom” again!

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    Sunshine
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    I can not believe that she could very well be out of jail by the end of the week! I am embarrassed that I live one county over from those jurors. Florida represents again! What a freak state. I need to move, stat.

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    captain-save-uh-hoe
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    I completely believe she’s guilty from what the press has presented us with… that being said, it seems like the prosecution didn’t do their job. It’s easy for me to perk up and be all WTF but on the same note, I didn’t sit on the jury or hear the evidence presented. There are definitely numerous things to point to that would insinuate guilt, but if they weren’t able to provide the evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt, that’s on the prosecution, not the jurors imo.

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    georgiababe
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    I agree 100% with LAjane31. I don’t think that Caylee Anthony is guilty. While her actions following the death of her child were clearly extremely stupid and unresponsible, being stupid does not a murderer make. It’s possible (and I think highly likely) that she has mental problems and perhaps that, combined with the grief of losing a child, sent her into a shock or catatonic-like state, which is why she didn’t call the police for several months.

    Innocent until proven guilty, I say. And she wasn’t.

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    georgiababe
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Pardon me, I meant Casey Anthony, not Caylee. Obviously.

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    MtnMama
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    roflmao … picturing Nancy Grace’s head exploding over and over again.

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    birthdaygirl
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    funny how there are innocent people serving years in jail and this psychopath walks out for murdering a baby.

    you know how men who hurt women often get beat to death in jail? Yeah, I’d like to see how long a baby murderer would last there. Actually I’d like to see how long this bitch lasts in the real world.

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    Robinez
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    @classy drunk, “Like the defense attorney said…there are no winners in the situation.”

    And right after he said that he went directly to a rest/bar and started popping corks…

    Casey got over a month to plead her case, that baby was given 10 hrs of consideration.

    I have been following this case from the begining. There are many things that the public has access to that the jury wasn’t privy to. With an excess of information, there are still questions, after 3 yrs, so how in the hell did the jury figure all this out in 10 hrs?

    I doubt very seriously they even spent that much time. They came to court dressed to the nines this morning, spent time filling out the jury form, got another free lunch and split.

    They said she lied..but what the fuck was she lying about? She lied about dumping her baby but she didn’t hurt her baby..HUH?

    Also, the alternate juror was on the talk shows. He kept saying “We Thought”… umm he isn’t supposed to deliberate with the other’s. The judge admonishes them each time they leave the courtroom not to talk about the case with each other. His use of the word “we” when discussing this case as if he is referring to convo’s with other jury member’s makes me call foul.

    I am pissed off at the judicial system right now and I am embarassed to be raised in Pinellas county.

    Take Care, Robin

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    sarcasatire
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    I bet you, somewhere, Michael Vick is pissed.

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    giffordsaz
    Posted July 5, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    So this is what I know. Florida people cannot freaking vote Or serve on juries and please me.

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    Candi
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 5:25 am

    I served on a jury in NYS last year, and the alternate jurors do not sit and delliberate with the jury. They are in a separate room the whole time, and the verdict is as big a surprise to them as it is to the judge.

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    Kammie
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 6:27 am

    @sarsasatire, LOL!!!

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    Bored Silly
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 6:33 am

    I hope Casey’s next tattoo says “Lying Slut” — on her forehead.

    Rest well, sweet Caylee.

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    Sunshine
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 8:15 am

    @ robinez, I was raised in Pinellas & live in Tampa now. I haven’t come across one person who feels she’s innocent. So crazy. I could maybe understand a hung jury b/c of one person, but it was unanimous! WTF! I think as others were saying, we live in a CSI society now. People need DNA or a video of the person committing the crime. It makes me sick.

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    Sunshine
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Also @ giffordsaz – this will be Florida’s ” if the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit “.

    So sad….

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    LAC
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 8:25 am

    God, what a heartbreaking case. Hope that bitch’s conscience eats her up inside. That poor little boo.

    And yes, Plath, after watching Nancy Grace for a half hour after the verdict, I can safely say that head explosions were on the menu. I thought she was going to unhinge her jaw and swallow folks whole she was so mad. The talking heads were louder than a commercial about an Xbox game. I had to turn it off after a while.

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    Bored Silly
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 8:34 am

    LAC, It would be nice if Casey Anderson had a conscience — but all she has is a big hole where her soul should be. Caylee deserved much better.

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    RazzBeth
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 8:55 am

    This will be my one and only comment on this subject.

    I hope many posters here never get picked for a jury. Guilty or not, the burden of proof is on the prosecutor and if they fail to prove their case, then a not guilty verdict must be delivered. That is the way our justice system works. Perhaps people would prefer returning to frontier justice and lynch mobs (a mob that kills a person for some presumed offense without legal authority – not a racial remark).

    I did not follow this trial and actually had no idea it was even going on until yesterday, but several very experienced and knowledgeable people said the prosecution did not make their case. How come no death threats against them? Hate breeds hate people.

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    Bored Silly
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Bet you wouldn’t say that if it were your child!

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    Sassygrl72
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 9:29 am

    @georgiababe…Since when is shock or a catatonic-like state displayed by signs of drinking, partying, entering hot body contests, and getting tattoos that say “beautiful life?” If something happen to either of my children (one the age that Caylee was when she was murdered, the other the age she would be if she was still alive) I wouldn’t be able to get out of bed and function. To me, her actions speak volumes. Even if she didn’t actually kill the baby, to cover it up the way that she did is just as bad. A mother’s first instinct is supposed to be to protect yoour child, not yourself or someone else.

    As for Vick, he at least admitted his crime and did his time for it. Although, I still wouldn’t compare his crimes to this one.

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    lindaw205
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Here, here, sassygrl72. I truly believe she killed her, possibly by overmedicating her so she could go out and party. No normal human being could behave the way she did. Right now I do wish for some frontier justice.

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    Fan-Ann
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 9:50 am

    I wish that all media outlets, publishers etc. would agree to not go after Casey for a single interview and definitely keep her from making money off of this travesty. I have no desire to see a book telling her latest lies, or to read reports of who she wants to play her part in a movie of the week. I hope people treat her like a pariah and that she is shunned. Her own lawyer called her a lying slut, and I agree. I will never understand this jury.

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    plockeness monster
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Bored Silly – RIGHT ON!

    Fan Ann – I agree. It makes me sad to think that Casey will profit from this…interviews, books deals, and of course, a Lifetime movie.

    I bet the jury is going to feel much different when they are back to their normal lives. I see a Dateline interview w/ at least 4 jurors in 3….2….1

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    vallegirl
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 10:17 am

    I’m with Razzbeth. The crime was horrible, but the burden of proof is always on the prosecution because our justice system is built on the belief of “innocent until proven guilty.” As sad and disappointing as it is not to have what feels like justice in a case where a toddler is killed, what happened actually was justice based upon our system. And while it looks gross and wrong now, it really is a better system than forcing the defense to prove innocence.

    Plus, justice should never be meted out based upon “how you would feel if it was your child.” That’s a judgment based purely on visceral emotion and not reasoned, measured thought.

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    Bored Silly
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 10:54 am

    I didn’t say that justice should be meted out according to how jurors would feel if it were their child. You go ahead and be calm and okay with the verdict. As for me, I will continue to rant and rave that an innocent child was brutally killed then dumped, and the person who is obviously responsible for it is getting away with no jail time for it.

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    NotWithoutMyTV
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 10:55 am

    So many ignoramous opinions, so little Internet space to vomit them up.

    You know Nancy Grace? You know what an ignorant cunt she looks like as soon as she opens her mouth? Well, hold that image in your head, and try to avoid becoming that whenever you all start posting about this case…

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    considerthis
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 11:19 am

    This case was not about justice or truth it was about WINNING. Baez hates the death penalty and was thrilled to tell his own daughter that “today he saved a life”. A new super hero has been crowned – champaign for everybody!

    Does anybody know what happens next? Is Pappy going down? Is the case re-opened? Curious to see if it just fades away like Nicole, Jon Benet, Natalie???

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    ohralphie
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Well, we can talk about the burden of proof etc…
    But lets talk about the very real difficulty jurors have in finding pretty young mothers guilty of murder. If Casey had been male she would have been found guilty with the exact same evidence. People have a problem recognizing women as being capable of truly evil things. How many times do we see a couple on trial for the murder of their child and the man gets time but not the ‘mother’? Too many. I do think that had a lot more to do with this verdict than any other variable.
    Look at Susan Smith – had she been the father she would have fried, as it is she is deemed ‘mentally unstable’. The gender bias is truly frightening. As long as you don’t cook your child in the microwave and are female you will most likely get off with either a light sentence if not scott free.
    And that is why the outcome of this case has hit such a raw nerve — not that people are ignorant of our judicial system, rather we are all too aware of the inequality of it.

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    Bored Silly
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 11:22 am

    No need to be foul-mouthed and insulting. We all have our opinions on this.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 11:40 am

    @Sassygirl, The Vick comparison was all in (sarcastic) jest.. Like, “Wow, America, cruelty to animals gets you locked up, but cruelty to babies? Not so much.
    Not really meant for debate..just was hoping to add a little light-hearted black humor to the thread.

    On another note..

    A part of me believes the child died of neglect..whether by drowning, or by chloroform, or by some other accident. I think Casey panicked and thought she would be blamed for endangering her child’s welfare or involuntary manslaughter, so she hid/disposed of the body and lied and lied and lied. A part of me doesn’t believe it was with malicious intent that little Caylee was killed but she is gone just the same. However sad that may be (and it is!), and while I do believe in justice, I stand behind the fairness of the ‘burden of proof’ obligation placed on prosecutors.

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    classy drunk
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Dammit! I love foul mouths and insulting.

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    sunshine
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    I agree with you ohralphie. If I am not mistaken (and my memory is bad) Scott Peterson was convicted with about the same circumstantial evidence. I don’t want to play the race card but I also think if Casey were black, the verdict would have been different as well.

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    vallegirl
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    I never said I was okay with a child being killed or that a potentially guilty woman was acquitted or that this case will never be solved. I believe those are all horrible things, too, so best to address what I wrote and not what you think I feel.

    I’m just pointing out that the justice system has to be overwhelmingly in favor of the accused, not the accuser. It’s not a pretty or nice thing to consider, but it is to protect EVERYONE’S rights against being unfairly accused of a crime. Sometimes seeing how our free society works isn’t pretty or nice. In fact, most of the time really thinking about what free speech or “innocent until proven guilty” really means means accepting that a lot of gross behavior needs to be defended so that the rest of us can live freely, and that sometimes a possibly guilty person will go free.

    If anything, The Innocence Project shows us that far too often there’s a rush to judgment/conviction and innocent people are sitting on death or, or killed, because a trumped up case against them was rushed through the court system and we’ve moved from a society that believed it was better to let 100 guilty people go free than convict an innocent person to “Fuck’em all, there has to be real evidence against them or else they wouldn’t have been indicted.”

    So while this seems like a gross miscarriage of justice and that the murder of a tiny child will never get solved is painful to consider, it doesn’t say anything about our justice system, the jurors, or whether or not we should change our approach to justice.

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    ohralphie
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    I’d have to disagree with you there @vallegirl.

    If the Innocence Project proved anything it proved that if you were a minority, male, poor and innocent you were more apt to be found guilty.
    Casey Anthony was none of those things and she walks. To be disgusted by that is pretty reasonable in my opinion.

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    vallegirl
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    I didn’t want to get into the racial/ethnic/cultural aspects of what the Innocence Project has shown. Because we can also look at the OJ trial and say money trumps all, which Casey Anthony didn’t have.

    But I do think that the justice system on the whole is more, not less, likely to convict than acquit. One case is just anecdotal evidence, and to extrapolate something bigger or more meaningful from it seems off base to me. I didn’t rail when OJ was acquitted either, I was just really sad because two people were dead and the circus that developed around their deaths abetted in acquitting someone who was likely guilty. Same with this case.

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    ElmStreet
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    I am not going to get into a racial discussion, or talk about “Burden of Proof” and “Reasonable Doubt”.

    I am just going to add that Casey Anthony not taking the stand in her own defense most likely made all of the difference in the outcome of the trial. The fact that Jose Baez didn’t let her speaks volumes to me. Why wasn’t she allowed to speak in her own defense? What did she have to be afraid of from the prosecution?

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    Classy Drunk
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Hmmm…never thought the race card would get played when dealing with middle class white folks.

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    Nads
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    @Classy Drunk – in a comment war, race always gets played!!!!

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    Robinez
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    @Elmstreet

    To be fair, Casey didn’t take the stand because her defense team said that the prosecution had made a few mistakes that they thought they could use at appeal. If Casey had taken the stand, then those points may have not been considered because the defense would have rested on her testimony. They didn’t want to take the chance to lose their points on appeal.

    I wish she had taken the stand and JA handed her ass to her.

    TC, Robin

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    Fan-Ann
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    Not guilty does not mean innocent; just that guilt was not proved. Some will say that is just semantics, but the distinction is important.

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    juddfan
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    I believe in free speech, so bring it guys!!! Those of you that followed, was it not proven that there was neglect and abuse in this case? There was a separate charge of manslaughter and child abuse, and I just can’t believe . . . no matter what the circumstances, that the abuse charge wasn’t appropriate.

    I also think she looks like a cold bitch, I don’t care if she’s white or young, I’d have found it hard to be fair to her (glad I wasn’t there)

    I heard the Mom may be brought up on Perjury charges . . . .another thing that makes me nuts, is that so many things were disputed, but no real truth was found about so much of this. Perhaps they needed more evidence before going forward. It is a shame that she got away with it. I feel for abused kids everywhere who would fantasize about turning in their abusers witnessing this.

    I’ve seen a lot of those true crime shows where they revisit murders like Jon Benet. It is always quite stunning to see the inadequate police work, and corruption . . . frustrating as hell. I can’t wait to see Aphrodite Jones take this one on . . . I actually saw one case where, even after the accused was proven innocent beyond a doubt, after spending many years in jail, the lead cop did not buy it and went after her again. F”n ignorant!!!! Annoying as shit!!! I don’t know why I even watch those . . . .sigh . . .

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    Robinez
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    @juddfan, I’ve hear about the perjury charges too..

    Although many may think that she has a perfectly good reason to lie, this doesn’t give her a free pass. We cannot on one hand take pride in a judicial system that allows ICA to recieve a fair trial, while on the other hand, absolving ANYONE for the crime of perjury or obstruction of justice.

    In as much as it was ICA’s trial, it was also about justice for Caylee. Caylee isn’t here to speak for herself. So other’s have to do it for her. ANYONE that interfere’s with her ability to speak should be dealt with.

    A good reason does not give her the right to flaunt our laws. There are many people with criminal records for stealing food to feed thier kids. It’s the best reason I can imagine for stealing from a grocery store; but it’s still stealing.

    I like HHBP. But if he allows her to get away with this after throwing the finger guy in jail, I will be very disapointed. Disrespecting the court is the same regardless of whether you are giving the finger or you have made a decision to lie to the court and muffle Caylee’s only voice.

    Take Care, Robin

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    considerthis
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    This just in….
    Vivid entertainment made Casey an offer to do porn but then recieved such vicious backlash from the porn viewing public that they withdrew the offer and issued a very salty statement about Miss Anthony.

    Wow 2 much of a piriah for porn – I guess Amy Fisher has one up on her.

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    Robinez
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    @considerthis, I have always considered that you had a pretty good bullshit meter. Do you really think that vivid cares about backlash? Whatever makes $ is ok with them.

    They knew that CA wasn’t going to take them up on the offer. They just wanted to get press. Then get press again by offering some convoluted talk about backlash, as if they are some kind of hooker with a heart. If there ever comes a day when she wants to work for them; they will grab it up. IMO

    TC, Robin

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    Tmurda
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Um…I’m pretty sure that the outrage over the verdict doesn’t have to do much with “burden of proof”, or disagreeing with whether the prosecution made a strong enough case or not. I’m pretty sure people are just pissed off because CASEY KILLED HER DAUGHTER, or at the very least, was involved, and it’s obvious. It’s more anger toward our justice system, in general, cause it…..well…..sucks. The fact that we still use juries, especially for this kind of case, just DOES NOT WORK. Granted, I can make that conclusion, yet I have no better suggestion of how it should be done. That’s not my job.
    I have first-hand experience with the inadequacy of a trial by jury to provide an accurate verdict, but my sitch was opposite of the Anthony case (the guilty found “not guilty”). About 6 yrs ago, my boyfriend was indighted (sp?) on manslaughter charges following a fight between he, his best friend, and 4 other men, which resulted in my BF having to protect himself with force that resulted in the death of one of the other four men. It was def a “kill or be killed” situation, and he obviously acted in self-defense. Trial #1 resulted in a “mistrial”, due to an 11-to-1 “not guilty” standstill. We later found out that the 1 person insisting on his “guilty” vote just happened to be a friend of the family of the “victim”, so we went to trial again. I won’t go into all the details of the trial, but despite the defense punching holes in the painting of the “Good ‘ole country boy brutally slaughtered by the town thugs” they painted, the only un-bias party present at the scene testifying the EXACT same story/sequence of events/details as the defense, and many other things, he (my BF) was convicted of “involuntary manslaughter”.
    In case you’re assuming I have given you my bias depiction, since I was his GF, I’d like to add that when we returned for the sentencing, and after hours of the “victim’s” family testifying one-by-one that “that MONSTER (my BF) should be locked away forever, where he can’t murder any more innocent people”, and blah blah blah, it was the judge’s time to speak. He stood up, and announced to the entire courtroom “This was the most rediculous verdict I have seen in over 30yrs”. My BF got to walk out with us that day, sentenced to 1yr (served 6months for good behavior) in a boot-camp style jail/prison, and 5yrs probation.
    I have 2 points to this story. 1) Despite the “involuntary” part of the charge/conviction, the jury still saw him as a killer, as opposed to a person who was attacked for no reason not once, but a second time, after chasing he and his friend (while yelling “we’re gonna kill you motherfuckers!!!”) to an apt. My BF (now my ex and one of my best friends) is the most gentle, kind, generous, respectful, non-confrontational, easy-going, loyal person I have ever known (besides my parents), but he did something in order to survive, was punished for doing so, took it like a man without ever saying a malicious word about the victim or his fam, and has to live with having taken a person’s life for the rest of his. Justice? Not so much. The prosecutions witness’ were presented as innocent, the defense’s as the aggressors, and the jury voted as such, despite evidence.
    2) Sooooo, at the end of the day, if a lawyer does a stellar job, or drops the ball, and the jury votes appropriately according to how the case was presented to them by each legal team, then that’s good. But all theatrical presentation, and/or missteps aside, a guilty person walked out a free woman yesterday, and that is infuriating for the public to witness. Trial by jury often results in the guilty walking free, and the innocent getting convicted. That’s what the public is pissed about. A little girl was killed/died, dumped out like garbage, and the responsible party walks free. Fuck your “burden of proof” and “reasonable doubt” (which I don’t believe was proven), that shit is just wrong, and our justice system is fucked up.

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    Tmurda
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Wow, sorry that was so long, guys. For real, my bad. It seems much shorter in this box, then looks like a book when submitted and posted above.

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    considerthis
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    @Robinez thanks for the wake up call (in all seriousness). I guess all the hype has made me lose all sight of reality.
    Vivid entertainment – humanitarians with a heart – WTF was I thinkin

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    nyccookie
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    31 Days. If any of you have children can you even imagine waiting 31 days, 31 minutes, or even 31 seconds to report YOUR CHILD missing? NO. I can not get past this fact. This to me is the most damning fact in this case. I do not understand how the jury did not consider this. I am dumbfounded.

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    Robinez
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    @nyccookie, There is a petition that addresses that. It essentially calls for a law that makes it a felony to not report a missing child.

    The petition already has over 300,000 signature’s in less than 48 hrs so it is apparent that many folks agree with you (and me) as it concerns the 31 days. Of course it may need a bit of fine tuning, but it is a start.

    I tried to grab the link but it is extremely busy now. It was mentioned on ABC tonight so that is most likely why the traffic has picked up. The petition is called Caylee’s Law.

    I am dumbfounded by what the jury did too.

    TC, Robin

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    Robinez
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    @considerthis, Yes, what the fuck where you thinking?! In all seriousness.

    Take care, Robin

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    sarcasatire
    Posted July 6, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    Here is an interview with juror #3 stating why she felt she had to vote ‘not guilty.’

    http://gawker.com/5818763/casey-anthony-juror-we-were-sick-to-our-stomach-to-get-that-verdict

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    Robinez
    Posted July 7, 2011 at 12:16 am

    Oh Yes, She is the one that went to Disney world with her family after the verdict. Then she did the interview with ABC, the network under the umbrella of Disney.

    Makes me sick to my stomach too.

    TC, Robin

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    nyccookie
    Posted July 7, 2011 at 12:36 am

    Thank you Robinez for the info. I am a frequent reader of this site and an infrequent commentator. I find myself more times than not in agreement with you. I appreciate your well-informed comments. You always seem to say what I am thinking. However, I am jealous of you, especially when you write a comment on this site and I think “That’s what I wanted to say” but you do it better!

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    sarcasatire
    Posted July 7, 2011 at 2:50 am

    So, is the juror wrong for taking a vacation with her family after being sequestered for a month and being denied all contact with them?? Is she wrong for giving a FREE interview to ABC, when she could have charged tens of thousands of dollars to say the same thing, thus exploiting the situation to her benefit? Is she wrong for clarifying the difference between ‘not guilty’ (meaning guilt not proven by prosecutors) vs ‘innocent’, going so far as to say she didn’t think Casey was innocent?

    I don’t see why hate is directed towards this juror, at least not for the reasons listed above.. *shrugs*

    I find that the prosecution shot itself in the foot the minute they charged Casey with first-degree murder. First degree murder means it was premeditated and they would have to have seen evidence of a plot and intent to kill Caylee well before the deed was executed. I haven’t seen/heard anything of the kind pertaining to this case. (Correct me if I am wrong..I haven’t followed this closely.) Seems the prosecutors were so adamant about the death penalty (usually only applicable in capital murder [1st degree] cases) that they threw caution to the wind and went for the charges with the harshest punishments rather than the ones they could prove.

    I think they would have had a more successful time trying Casey for obstruction of justice, criminal negligence, endangering the welfare of a child, failure to report a crime (since she said the child was kidnapped), and possibly involuntary manslaughter.

    The latter would be hard to prove, as we’ve witnessed. Murder, manslaughter..how can one convict someone of murder when there is no evidence (due to decomposition of the body) that a murder actually took place? Any juror with a bit of common sense, no matter how much they ‘think’ Casey is guilty, would have to acknowledge that there is no certainty, based on coroner’s results, that the child was even murdered. So how could they vote guilty on those charges?

    For the record..many of us find Casey to be deplorable for what we have learned of her treatment/disregard of her baby, but none of us has more facts than were presented at the trial. So we cannot be 100% sure she a) murdered her child, b) intentionally did so.

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    juddfan
    Posted July 7, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Sacra, I feel the same way nycookie feels about Robin toward you!!! You gasmi always rock my world. It’s so refreshing to have a place to go and snark away, even if it’s something real like this. I’ll be checking that link next.

    I’m confused why she was found not guilty on a bunch of different charges . . . they read each separately for first degree, manslaughter and child abuse . . . anyone?

    Also, thanks for answering my ? about charges for not reporting the child missing. Good to know we are trying to make another law that would allow a conviction on that basis.

    I think there should be a big penalty against false accusations of abuse . . . . what was the verdict on that, Did the dad do that? Can they prove it? If he’s innocent she should be punished for slander, and if he did, can they charge him? I know it would be very hard to prove.

    I’m also confused about the decomposed body not offering any evidence . . . they can get shit from bones, for heaven’s sake, did they not try hard enough?

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    juddfan
    Posted July 7, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Tmurda . . . I’m so sorry to hear that story, but I can’t say I’m shocked. It’s like if you shoot a burgler outside your door . . . . .you better drag him/her inside before the cops come or they will arrest you for murder . . . it’s so terrible . . . but I’m glad he was let go.

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    nyccookie
    Posted July 7, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    To clear up a point: Casey Anthony was charged with 7 charges. First degree murder. Aggravated manslaughter of a child. Aggravated child abuse. 4 counts of giving false information to a police officer. Therefore, it is quite possible and not improbable that she could have been charged with a lesser included offense.

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    NotWithoutMyTV
    Posted July 7, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    This jury of 12 people decided there wasn’t enough evidence that Anthony killed her kid. Would you be more satisfied if the justice system only used the opinion of 1 person? If that 1 person had decided she wasn’t guilty, would you be screaming less or more?

    The jury had the evidence. We have WHAT THE MEDIA HAS CHOSEN TO TELL US–pictures of Anthony making bitch faces, slutty pictures culled from the Internet, info and statements taken out of context. The whole thing’s damn fishy, I’m not saying it isn’t. But I’m not comfortable calling for her head when I know I’m in a position of ignorance. Know what I mean?

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    Classy Drunk
    Posted July 7, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Since the jury has stated that there wasn’t enough evidence to say who killed Caylee that eliminates the murder and the manslaughter charges.

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    Robinez
    Posted July 7, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    @nyccookie,

    Aww shucks..Thanks )

    TC, Robin

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    Robinez
    Posted July 7, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    I am not begrudging anybody for having a good time with their family after serving on a jury. I just think that there is a slippery slope where it concerns jurors getting paid for doing their civic duty. I suspect that the trip to Disney was not paid for by her and her family. I also suspect that while she may not have been paid for the interview, there were certainly perks included.

    I did not form any opinion because of what the media told me. I watched the trial from opening statement’s to closing statement’s. A few weekends were spent watching, in order, many sessions that I had missed during the week. As a matter of fact, some of the talking heads would have me scratching mine while I wondered if they had watched the same trial that I did. So, no the media had nothing to do with what I think.

    BTW, I do not agree with the folks who think she should have got first degree. There wasn’t enough evidence for that. There were lesser included’s that would have been applicable IMO.

    TC, Robin

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    sarcasatire
    Posted July 8, 2011 at 12:37 am

    @Juddfan..aww, thanks! I also love reading your posts and look forward to your musings and snarky comments!

    I was also confused as to why the lesser charges against Casey didn’t stick. Then I heard on the news today that she was found guilty of a few charges (4 counts of lying to the police, I believe) but she will get out on time served. In fact, she should be released within the next few days.

    Some people may call this an injustice, but truthfully, what could be a worse punishment than being a social pariah and carrying the burden of suspicion for the rest of your life? There is no way Casey could escape the dark cloud of suspicion that will follow her for the rest of her life. Justice for Caylee will be meted out slowly and relentlessly…and will follow Casey to her grave.

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    BamA
    Posted July 8, 2011 at 11:01 am

    NotWithoutMyTV – I completely agree!
    In today’s news media it’s “guilty until proven guilty” – I don’t think anyone really knows what happened (other than everyone giving their opinions based on whatever they may have heard on the news).
    I think it’s much easier to sit here commenting on what should or shouldn’t have happened when not one of us has 100% of the facts…
    All I know is that 12 people sat through 33 days of testimony & had time after that to go through all the evidence & decided there was enough to decide she was not guilty. Whether or not they believed she was innocent or that there wasn’t enough proof is kind of a moot point.

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    juddfan
    Posted July 8, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Thanks NY Cookie. I merely think the abuse charge would be appropriate if for no other reason than not reporting her missing. As said before, I didn’t pay close attention, but I’m surrounded by peeps who did who would follow me ranting about this chick lies, which were bizarre in every way. I don’t know why anything she said was believed with the amount of lying. I wonder if she would pass a polygraph, being such a delusional weirdo.

    I just can’t buy this chick as a media sensation . . . but I can see how we all flock to scene of horror, and the media does all they can to draw us into it. Nancy Grace is a huge shit stirrer . . . sometimes I prefer my ignorance, as it allows me bliss instead of strife! I hate getting the sads about these matters.

    I agree too, Robin, about the charges, but I guess if they really have no idea who did what it would be hard to find this bitch guilty of any of ‘em except the abuse and lying, IMHO. I still don’t know why they didn’t at least rule on the abuse.

    Thanks again all of you for the info!!! xoxo

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    juddfan
    Posted July 8, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    oh, and kisses Sacra! xoxo

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    nyccookie
    Posted July 8, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    And thank you too juddfan for an intelligent anaylsis

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    nyccookie
    Posted July 8, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    *analysis

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    iamrufus
    Posted July 8, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Why does everyone keep insisting that we only know what “the media” want us to know? As if we weren’t able to locate and read every damn document released by the state (thanks to the Sunshine Act-freedom of information) including thousands of pages of depositions, text messages, cell phone pings, etc. And we who watched the entire trial heard testimonies proffered and arguments done outside the jury’s presence. Trust me, a lot of us know more than they did. They never read any depositions, only the handful of questions attorney’s asked them about it. I wish they would have gone with painting her as a sociopath (which even Cindy has called her) rather than a party girl, they may have shot themselves in the foot with that one.

    And another thing–speaking of miscarriage of justice, since when is it okay to not heed a judge’s specific instruction to not discuss shit about the case on breaks? The alternate juror giving interviews kept saying things like “we all thought” and “we wanted to see” and “we liked baez”….Last I checked, alternates were dismissed before deliberations began so…how in the hell would he know what “we” thought. Methinks they talked a lot more than will ever be known. Damn, I wish a mistrial could be retroactivly applied because of it.

    Justice=EPIC FAIL

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    sarcasatire
    Posted July 8, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    Courtroom procedure is tricky. There could be damning evidence that proves guilt but it may be deemed inadmissible because of how it was obtained. (without a search warrant, confessions coming before the Miranda Rights, etc.) So, true, there were probably tons of documents available online, but if the jury wasn’t privy to it.. then it’s not much different than a tree falling in the forest.

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    Robinez
    Posted July 9, 2011 at 1:14 am

    iamrufus, Can I hug you ?

    TC, Robin

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    iamrufus
    Posted July 9, 2011 at 2:40 am

    damn you and your logical thinking sarc! just kiddin, you are very correct. i understand why they weren’t presented with some things, it just frustrates me every time i read “we didn’t see/hear everything the jury heard” and “they obviously know more than we do” arguments. i just got fed up today and went off on a rant about it, and in my haste to spew it all out i left out that part. and you are also right in that it may not have made one iota of a difference in the outcome, as it seems some of the jurors made up their minds at opening statements who they wanted to believe. i wish i wasn’t such a true crime and court of law buff that i get upset over these things, it’s like a dude who gets all worked up over a superbowl game if the other team cheated and won. bad analogy, i know…can’t think anymore it’s 4am and my brain hurts =)

    Robin, anytime m’dear!

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    sarcasatire
    Posted July 10, 2011 at 2:25 am

    @iamrufus, no worries! I know how frustrating it can be for someone like you, who knows the ins and outs of the trial, to see it turn out the way it did. And I’m not as logical as you think..I just watch a lot of Law and Order! Olivia and Stabler have collared many criminals and pleaded with the DA many times over, only to be told shit is inadmissible due to how the evidence was obtained. I was angered during a fictional show..imagine how I feel in real life! We all want justice for Caylee but if the glove doesn’t fit..
    If it’s any consolation, OJ got away with murder only to find himself with a 15 year sentence in the twilight of his life. So, don’t rule out Casey’s comeuppance yet. These things have a way of working themselves out.

    Karma…is a bitch.

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    what~ever
    Posted July 10, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    @ LAJANE81: For a defence Attorney you sure are lame…Did you bother to pay attention to the trial before making a comment? Are you a trial attorney? If so, you may want to take a look at Baez, and Mason’s closing arguments…They will teach you a lesson in human behaviour and how to sway a jury. Although the b*tch is guilty as hell,and if you accually examine ALL of the evidence, combine that with the fact that, Baez himself said Cindy,Lee & George are ALSO liars, the prosecution delivered a great case. In Baez and Mason’s close they state over and over and over 350 times (not sure of the accual amount)that they (the jury) COULD NOT base their decision on ANY FEELING…ONLY ON DNA!!! Over and over… This is the last thing they heard, over and over. They were told the judge issued the same order, they were told the prosecution issued the same order. Mason even told them it was in the contstitution. The TRUTH is (UNFORTUNATLY FORGOTEN BY THIS TIME)their decision was accually to be based on ALL and I mean ALL of the evidence that had been set forth in front of them. That the conclusion and belief that and event took place, based on evidence is not the same as “a feeling” from “non existing DNA” but humans are lemmings and if you tell them something enough times they will believe it! And that, and ONLY that is what rendered a NOT GUILY verdict. Even the juror who spoke quoted Baez as the premis of the verdict. That is why the felt “sick to their stomachs” When it all sunk in they realized what they had done. It will only be a matter of time till we see personal fall out from the jury…But, it will come!

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    Kammie
    Posted July 10, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    @Sarcasatire – I was saying the exact same thing to my dumbfounded and infuriated husband. I wasn’t having nearly as strong a reaction as he did towards the verdict because of my belief about karma. I immediately thought about OJ, too.

    I think it was you that mentioned something about how she will live a life sentence of being a social pariah. I agree and think that is pretty insightful. She may be the only one who knows what exactly happened to Caylee, and she will live with that for the rest of her life. While I will not go so far as to say I agreed with the verdict, I do strongly feel she will be punished in a different type of way, and that makes me feel a little better about the whole thing. Now, I need to stop thinking/talking about her like I posted in the 1M story on Jerry Springer post! I’m ready for the next distraction to come down the pike (preferably not one that includes murder!)

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    LAjane81
    Posted July 19, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    I really shouldn’t even dignify your comment with a response, but yes, what~ever, I am a trial attorney. Criminal defense, actually

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    katie
    Posted July 22, 2011 at 11:05 am

    LAjane81 – don’t bother defending yourself. You should be able to tell from the horrendous grammer and spelling that what-ever is not worth responding to.