Kings Of Leon/Glee Feud

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   vallegirl
   Posted January 26, 2011 at 12:22 pm

   I’m still on the side of KOL even after reading the tweet because a) he apologized and b) if Palin could stop using “Barracuda” after Heart told her to, I’d expect Ryan Murphy to be at least a little more progressive than Palin.

   They didn’t want you to mash up their song with some Bieber crap and then autotune it to hell. That’s their right, it’s their song.

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   Classy Drunk
   Posted January 26, 2011 at 12:30 pm

   I agree. Ryan Murphy needs to realize that not everyone like Glee nor will they. Everyone is not waiting around for their call to be on Glee. As artist they have a right to say whether or not someone gets to use their song or not.

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   Alene
   Posted January 26, 2011 at 12:48 pm

   I TOTALLY am on on the side of KOL!! I really liked Glee when it first started, but it has become a celeb fest, and has lost some of the appeal of a true glee club. I know it was kind of a rude tweet, but the drummer has a point. Ryan’s words are FAR more offensive to 7 year olds, than a band turning down Glee. What a douche!! F off because someone said no?? Kinda makes me confirm my decision to not really care if I miss Glee anymore.

   Glee needs to get back to its’ roots, instead of seeing how many singles they can put on I-tunes after each show (if it truly is about honoring arts and music education). Blah..It’s about the kids..right Ryan..right..:S

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   juddfan
   Posted January 26, 2011 at 12:57 pm

   When I first heard this, I got the impression KOL thought it was “selling out” to let Glee use their song. I am so sorry that we still live with the impression that artistic integrity is allowed or even exists . . . face it musicians of today . . . you’re ho’s, selling your ass to the highest bidder, and if you refuse, your days shall be numbered by the powers that be.

   I know I’m a terrible person . . .

   As for Ryan’s response . . . well, first . . . he’s not just introducing 7 year olds to “fuck” he’s also showing them all the “adult” content on the show, that I believe around the time of the GQ spread, they were trying to convince us Glee was an adult show, not for little kids. Call me crazy, but I’m sure a reel of the show, with some important scenes, or some homages, with a bottle of bubbly might have done much more to persuade them.

   Ryan should never speak if that’s what he’s going to say–way to kill a hit show, dude. I don’t get what his hard on for “Use Somebody” is anyway . . . dull as paint drying to me. I think the singers voice is the best part. “Sex is on Fire” or whatever that one is called is better by miles for me.

   And, hell, with all the songs out there, not one could fill the hole that “Use Somebody” was intended for.

   I do think manicure and bra are out of place in the response . . . go to spa and chill may have been the sentiment, but bra . . . !?

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   vallegirl
   Posted January 26, 2011 at 1:15 pm

   That’s why Murphy’s worse in this situation. He seems to believe that requesting permission is just a formality. Whatever their reason for saying no, it was their right to say no. But Murphy loses it on them and calls them assholes and while what he was really saying was “You guys suck because I didn’t get my way,” he phrased it as “You guys are horrible people because you don’t care about the children.”

   What bothers me is that tweet will refocus the argument on how homophobic the band is. Which may or may not be the case, but from their perspective, they were just protecting their intellectual property. I wonder if Murphy is so soigne about people using clips from Glee (or Popular or Nip/Tuck) for their own personal gain without getting the requisite permission?

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   Classy Drunk
   Posted January 26, 2011 at 1:40 pm

   I was just going to say the same thing Vallegirl. Does Murphy let schools use Glee to promote glee clubs without financial profit (i.e. pay for the dvds)?!!?!? Can a school request his show’s presence on their campus for no financial gain? Probably not and if he says no, is the principal allow to tweet that Murphy is a POS?

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   tvaholic
   Posted January 26, 2011 at 2:24 pm

   Cheese & rice vallegirl, way to make me Google a word (soigne) & feel stupid! I’m still a Glee fan, but I am hoping Murphy pulls it back & goes back to what made the show great. The music should feel organic to the plot of the show; the plot should not revolve around whatever celeb’s ass he’s kissing that week (or vice versa). The two worst shows so far? The Madonna & Brittnay episodes.

   And seriously, I like KOL, but Murphy’s gotta knock off the overt sexual tones of the show-what else would “Use Somebody” be about? And he’s saying the show is about exposing music to 7-year-olds? Fine, be frank about teen sex & homosexuality-but I think Curt’s puppy love for the new guy is way more romantic, interesting, & relevant than Brittney & Santana’s insincere occasional hook-ups.

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   vallegirl
   Posted January 26, 2011 at 2:53 pm

   Heh. And then I found out I’d been using it wrong all these years. I always thought it was a synonym for gracious, but like Chris Hayes and firmament, I have been publicly outed for my pretensions!

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   marijai
   Posted January 26, 2011 at 3:09 pm

   Ryan Murphy needs to stop acting like a spoiled 7-year old and realize that not everyone is going to say “yes” to him. I applaude KOL and agree with them for stating the song was getting too much exposure and that they were not familiar with the show. It’s just like the musical artists who do not allow their songs to be used on Idol. Just as the owner has the exclusive right to exploit a copyright to its fullest potential, they also have the right to say no.

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    Hypnotoad
    Posted January 26, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    This is one of the many reasons I can’t stand Glee: At some point, the over-saturation and over-hype of the show made Ryan Murphy — who’s already a pompous ass — think he’s God of television, and anyone who refuses their songs or (rightfully) speaks out about how much Glee sucks is automatically an evil person. And if the show wanted to be about “arts education,” it’d be on PBS. Saying Glee is about “arts education” is like saying Jersey Shore is about “Italian American history.” The only things Glee’s about are stunt-casting, auto-tune, mash-ups, and lots and lots and lots of hype.

    I don’t like Kings of Leon — I feel like their lead singer is constantly shouting at me, and I hate how he sings “somebodEHUH.” But kudos for them for not jumping on the bandwagon. And I’m gay, and I didn’t find that dude’s tweet homophobic at all. Maybe it’s because of my hatred for Glee, though . . .

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    notwithoutmytv
    Posted January 26, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Ryan Murphy was lobbying really hard to use my new song “In a Sexual Way” in an episode of Glee. We worked out a deal where Michele Lea agreed to date me if Murphy got the song. Well, Michele wore this trick bra, spent most of the evening texting, and then totally didn’t put out. I mean, isn’t my music worth a quick grope in the back of my white Chrysler LeBaron??

    Well, Murphy can suck it. He’s never getting even one note of “In a Sexual Way” for his silly little show. Never!

    P.S. Michelle, I found a girl that looks just like you. She sings like a cat trapped underneath a garbage can, but she’s got a smaller nose.

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    vallegirl
    Posted January 26, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    “And if the show wanted to be about “arts education,” it’d be on PBS.”

    Or on BBC America and called “The Choir.”

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    Jess Chapman
    Posted January 26, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Christ. What an arrogant little pisshole. Even Mark Zuckerberg thinks he’s an arrogant little pisshole.

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    Pixielated
    Posted January 26, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    I’ve never watched Glee. The idea just doesn’t appeal to me. Does that make me an enemy of arts education? Well, there’s still band, drama, visual arts, etc. isn’t there?

    I don’t think most of KOL’s songs would fit on the show (they’re too good). “Sex on Fire”? Yeah, that’s appropriate. I respect them for not jumping on this over-hyped, under-talented bandwagon.

    I don’t even think the comments were homophobic. He was speaking to one person, not gays in general. You could say that to anybody: male, female, gay, straight. Maybe not in the best taste, but I don’t get homophobia out of it.

    Ryan Murphy seems like a twatwaffle to me. Now, I insulted a gay person. Does that make me homophobic?

    At least Zukerberg has a reason to be an arrogant little pisshole. It would be hard not to be, in his place.

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    tvaholic
    Posted January 26, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    @vallegirl…and now I had to look up Chris Hayes & firmament. You’re like a word of the day calendar!

    I have to admit it would’ve been kind of awesome to have a GnR song or two on Glee. It makes me think of the “Paradise City” scene in ‘Can’t hardly Wait.’ And now it’s obvious why I have to look up big words.

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    Sam The Intern
    Posted January 27, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    As someone who doesn’t own a KOL album and who is a fan of Glee (but only when it’s not stupid) I’m going to throw in my two cents that will get lost among the many pennies on the floor in here.

    I personally don’t like the word “intellectual property.” Everybody gets all worked up about people using their stuff. Everybody wants so much money for this song to be used in that, and that hook to be mixed in this … it drives me crazy.

    Copyright is relatively new. The only time I would consider copyright to be a good thing is if some pedophile used your music on their “pro-rape” website so you could sue him and have it removed. Also, to prevent people from saying they created something that you created. Other than that, let art be art and let it be used. No one cares if you agree with another artists reasons for wanting to use your music.

    Some people will exploit it for cash and some people will just create things. Who knows what could happen. Who cares? I say this as a musician.

    Sorry, it just drives me a little nuts when people get all high and mighty on where their music can and can not be used.

    And one last thing. Seven-year-olds probably don’t watch Glee. Just saying. When ratings come in, Networks don’t go “Well, in our 7-10 year old demographic we had 4 million viewers…”

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    vallegirl
    Posted January 27, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    @ tvaholic – Heh. I follow another board where there’s a clatch of us who find Hayes’ wonky ways “dree-mee” I just forgot where I was posting and that he’s not universally known. But catch him on Maddow some time. His high-pitched, nasally nervous NY energy is quite charming.

    @ Sam the Intern – Child labor laws, Social Security and the Civil Rights Act are also relatively new but doesn’t mean they’re invalid.

    An artist’s right to grant permission to use and be compensated for his or her work should be an inalienable right since we don’t expect attorneys to accept every client and represent him or her for free. “Intellectual property” isn’t some namby pamby phrase created by hippies to make everyone sing Kumbaya. It’s a legal concept that protects the rights of artists from having their work exploited. It gives them the right to control how and where their work is used. There is also the “fair use” clause that Shepard Fairey invokes with a lot of his work since he uses appropriated images, so there is nuance to the law, but granting the artist the right to determine how his or her work is used is a good thing, even if your favorite show has to find a new song to underscore Santana getting laid.

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    Alafoss
    Posted January 27, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    @Sam

    I’m confused. Do you really think copyright and intellectual property are a bad idea? Like, if I spend $50 million making a movie, people should just be allowed to copy it, sell it, and not give the people who made the movie any money? I can’t imagine anyone take the time and money trying to make something if other people can just come along, copy it, and sell it super-cheap.

    So I’m going to assume I misinterpreted what you said.

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    Memememe
    Posted January 27, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Hypnotoad, I wish there was a “like” button here for me to press.

    I agree with all of you. You are all perfect. I so love it here!

    Notes for Ryan Murphy include: act like a professional, dude. Get over yourself. Team KOL (and I don’t even care for KOL).

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    Sam The Intern
    Posted January 28, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    I just have a very confusing and complicated view on copyright. I do believe it’s a good thing and it protects artists. I understand that “Intellectual Property” is a legal term and not a hippie term … I just don’t like it. It’s just a personal thing. It makes me cringe when I hear it for some reason. I’ll just have to get over that I guess.

    @Alafoss – I don’t think it’s a bad idea. And I do think movies (and music) take a lot of money to get made and should be compensated accordingly. I don’t think everything should be free … that would be naive. I think that if someone purchases a movie/album and wants to do some kind of video/audio mash up or remix of the movie/album to show their artistic ability (given that they did purchase the movie/album) then I think they should be able to do that without getting permission from the “artist” (which is actually a whole bunch of people). I just feel like copyright is holding back the art movement (I know … it sounds very hippie-esque) and it needs to be adjusted accordingly.

    @vallegirl – I understand that those three laws are good ones, and I understand that just because a law is new doesn’t mean it’s bad. I misspoke and I apologize for that. I was just pointing out that we got along just fine without copyright laws up until a century or two ago.

    I get upset with copyright laws mostly because I see a lot of big companies (or artists) buying up copyrights (or more specifically, companies that own copyrights) on “intellectual properties” just so they can start making money on it instead of just releasing it to the public. The fact that “Happy Birthday” has a copyright because someone wanted to make money every time it’s used in media disgusts me. I think copyright would be good as a record of proof that Mildred and Patty Hill were the originators of the (Happy Birthday) song, but beyond that, it’s greed.

    People may not agree with me, but that’s the beauty of opinions, we all have our own. Thanks for not attacking me though. That’s why I love TVGasm, it’s not a bunch of kids yelling, “Yeah? Well you’re stupid!”