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Michelle And Bob Duggar Named Her Child She Miscarried
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Friday, December 9, 2011
2:36 pm
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Tagged: caleb, michelle duggar, naming baby
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Michelle and Bob Duggar named their unborn child before having it buried. I don’t know anything about miscarriages, or giving birth, but it sounds so morbid to me. I’m sure it’s all part of the grieving process, but it all seems so sad. Michelle Duggar told People, “We named that baby Caleb even though we didn’t know if it was a boy or girl because that miscarriage was early. We will name this child and will know that we will see those children again someday in heaven.”
Anyway, there it is…
I wonder if they’re going to try to have another?? I’m sure it’s going to be tough given that she’s 45, but if she’s up for it…
Show’s like these make the old Eight is Enough sound like such a joke.
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The fact that shat she didn’t give it a “J” name makes me afraid that she’s saving them (the j’s that is) because she plans on having more. I feel sorry for their loss, but at her age and given the fact that her uterus has been way overused (19 kids and several were multiples) it was bound to happen soomer or later.
:’( I’m sorry for their loss, but its time she stopped having kids. She has 19, and she has grandchildren. No one has control over what she does with her body, but she may end up killing herself.
It’s good that she seems to be taking it well.
I don’t think they’re gonna try for more, but I know they won’t actively not try. Hopefully, her body just doesn’t let her conceive anymore and that’ll be the end of that.
At least the Duggars are taking care of their children…unlike that woman in the news two weeks ago. She has 15 children…fathered by multiple men. She has no job…the father of most of her children (her “fiancee”) is in prison…and thee video has her saying that “somebody needs to pay for her kids.” She means the taxpayers. Perhaps she should have considered the cost after the first half dozen.
Sad for the life lost! But, shouldn’t be “Jaleb”?! Or is it already taken?
(turning over soapbox and stepping in)
Bitches like that piss me the Hell off. A couple of years ago my BF was laid off and had a very hard time finding another job(long story, numerous drug charges years and years ago, but now clean, sober, and staying out of trouble for more than 10 years now). Anyhoo, when his unemployment ended we were in real financial trouble. I was still in school, and was working 2 jobs. I had to do a lot of bill juggling just to have the money to keep up rent, utilities, groceries, gas, etc for us and our two children on just my income (needless to say, both of our credit ratings took a huge blow that we are still trying to recover from). Someone recommended me to apply for food stamps to take some of the pressure off. I was denied for making too much money (I was $37 over the cut off). While in the office there were numerous woman there(many of them appearing to be high as a kite) and with 4 or 5 no manners, bad ass behavior kids each complaining about the wait because they were missing their “stories”(I guess they didn’t have jobs). I noticed a few of them leaving and telling each other what they were eligible for, one was $550 a month the other for $476 a month. As someone who has worked(and payed taxes) since I was 14 and was currently holding down 2 jobs and a full course load in college, it really pissed me off to know that these two woman who do nothing but sit on their asses all day popping out children and seemingly “lighting up” on a regular basis were benefiting from money that was provided by taxes that I paid. But me, someone who truly was in a bind and just needed a little help didn’t qualify for anything(in fact, the counselor had even suggested to me that I would be in a better position if I would just quit my jobs). It’s no wonder that some woman are able to ride the system since even the counselors aren’t encouraging them to work.
Now if I were in charge there would be a time limit for benefits. Kind of like, “okay we’ll help for 24 months and by then you should be working and back on your feet.”
I would also require drugs tests for recipients because if I have to take (and pass) one to get (and keep) the job that provides the taxes that are financing your food stamps, monthly check, housing etc. then damn it you’re gonna take (and pass) one to benefit from them!
(stepping down from soapbox)
Thankfully, we managed to squeak by and the BF found a steady job a few months later.
Sorry for the rant.
oh, and I was *on the soapbox, not in lol
Kittkatt— and this is not to start a political debate— was on the same page as you in terms of thinking welfare recipients should have to pass drug tests… until i learned that in actuality, where it has been implemented, it’s cost the taxpayers more with less than worthwhile results. On principle alone, i agree, but when put into action it’s more detrimental and more costly than to just bite the bullet and live with the fact that there are always going to be those to abuse the system but at least they seem to be in the minority numbers wise.
I can see where it would run into a lot of funds to use the high tech lab result tests, but what about if it were just the $5 spit one people can get nowadays to check their teens? They are fairly reliable. Really, just test them once when they apply, and again if they exhibit signs of being under the influence while in the office. The two woman in my previous comment were obviously under the influence of something. If they can stop giving benefits to just a few of the druggies then the recouped funds no longer being used for the lazy freeloaders should be able to help offset the cost of the tests.However, since you have pointed out that some states are having problems with it, then I will just have to do some more research and possibly change my stand while simultaneously coming up with another option.
@detinha, she miscarried the baby that she named caleb a long time ago…like back when she first started having kids, I think. Maybe they didn’t know that they wanted to do the all J-name thing yet.
I don’t think they’ve announced a name for the recent one.
I wub you, kittkatt.
@kittkatt, I don’t know how it is in your state but in NYC, welfare recipients have to work or go to school (up to community college). I’m not sure about food stamps because even working people can receive them, but with all the other benefits, they make the recipients do vocational training or jobs like cleaning parks, etc. No one can just sit around anymore. My aunt teaches a GED course and the math portion of a pharmacy tech program and the students are all on TANF, which is a temporary assistance (welfare) that lasts only 2 years or so. She told me that the idea is to train the people for a job, there’s job placement also, and once they begin working they are no longer on the system. They can study nursing, security, medical billing, etc. It’s a good program because it teaches skills and makes people employable.
But those jobs they train them for aren’t high paying and probably don’t provide medical/dental insurance for their family. Or child care. So, I’m not quite sure how this will pan out when people on TANF have access to all of the above for free. (You may be eligible for free/low cost child care, kittkatt. The cutoff in NYC is $40,000)
I’m curious why your BF wasn’t able to apply for the food stamps as he was unemployed? The benefit of not being married is that your income won’t affect what he may receive. Anyway, I wish you well and hope it all works out for you and your fam!
@sarcasatire
They go by household income so it does not matter if you are married or not.
@Jesse, Oh, that makes sense. Now I’m wondering about roommates. I mean, if someone shares an apartment and falls on hard times, surely it wouldn’t be expected that the roommate (of no relation) would pick up the slack and cover the bills and groceries? Would someone, in this case, need to show their roommate’s income if they apply for state’s aid? That seems a bit unfair if they do. What of the roommate makes a lot of money..could the person applying be deemed ineligible?
They do not go by household income unless you are married or if you are an adult and having a parent dependent on you. Adult children living with their parents can get food stamps regardless of what their parents make.
Hi Kittkatt! Your story gets me so fired up. It’s a shame your state’s system denied you, but allowed freeloaders to abuse it. You said it all so there is nothing more for me to say. Just wanted you to know I’m right there with ya!
It seems as tho Michelle Duggar was over the twenty week mark in her pregnancy.
I don’t know what the rules are in AK, but in New York State, if a pregnancy that lasts more than twenty weeks results in miscarriage, the woman must be put into labor and deliver the child naturally or via c section, if she doesn’t spontaneously abort. (Abortion is illegal after twenty weeks, so baby can’t be extracted that way.)
As a result of this birth, the child is issued a death certificate. You can have a funeral, or creamation.
What the Duggars did is just what families do all the time.
@chaosbutterfly, thank you! So, maybe this one will escape the J crazyness, as well?!
About Welfare/Gov Assistance, I think it’s a shame that it became a way of life to many people!
Dear Kittkatt,
While it’s true that this woman treats her hoo ha like a clown car, as far as I know, they have never been on any kind of public assistance. As a matter of fact, they brag about it. So your incredibly detailed comment isn’t really at all relevent to this story.
I think Kittkatt was fired up from catty’s comment about the woman saying someone (else) needed to provide for her 15 kids
Yeah, it was the other comment that got me so worked up. I know the Duggers haven’t used welfare or food stamps. If fact I’ve commended them for that very reason in comment from a previous article (the one announcing the birth I think). Anyway, for those who give a poo, everything on this end is fantastic. Finished school and am now in a very well paying job and doing great. (Well the BF still asks about a wedding,and I really don’t think I’m the marrying type and already consider us pretty much “married”, but that’s another story lol they need to do a show on woman born without the wedding gene)
Sorry to say it Nads, but this is definitely incorrect information. Caleb is the name of the baby that Michelle miscarried years ago, after Josh was born. This time, they went in to find out the sex of this baby and then were told that she has miscarried. They are still waiting to find out the sex of this baby and then give him/her a name, since this miscarriage happened far enough along to be able to determine the sex, whereas her first miscarriage did not.
I just want to say something. I am a single mom with 2 kids and also going to school. I am also on food stamps. I’ve been out of work for 2 years because I have a physical disability that scares off potential employers thinking that I would not be able to do the job I applied for. I finally had to go into a vocational rehab program to help me find work. So to the previous commenters that have the perception that we are all baby popping drug abusers, a lot of us are not. It’s a hard economy for everybody. I am NOT proud of the fact that I am on Food Stamps.
As far as benefits go, it really varies state to state on what the qualifying rules are. Some states are based on overall household income, other states are not. Just depends on where you live.
@thatdariamom1332 I wasn’t talking about people like you who are actively seeking employment, I was refering to the women who were there in the office with me the day that I applied. Everyone’s situation is different, but these two were obviously riding the system. As for my state, I had to have verification for everyone in the house who had income even if they were one of my children who happened to have a part time job, but I was the only one at that time who had any money coming in.
And Robin, I wub you too sweetie. MWAH!
@Joy, I live in NYC, and I believe the cutoff for abortion is twenty-two weeks, not twenty. Sadly, I know this because I had taken medication (Retin-A, topically) which I learned at the end of my first trimester was harmful for the baby. (I’d read over 20 baby books and only the last one cautioned against retinol). So I asked my genetic counselor (who looks at the history of health/illness in both parent’s lineage and decide what tests, if any, should be run) about it and he scared the living crap out of me. He told me that Retin-A was very harmful to the fetus (due to the high dosage of vitamin A) and could result in major deformities of the heart. Unfortunately, they cannot test for this until the fetus is twenty weeks old. Expressing my concern about carrying a deformed fetus to term, he assured me that if there were severe abnormalities he could terminate the pregnancy at 22 weeks. Fortunately, The fetal echo (exam) showed a healthy heart and everything else was shown to be developing normally, so I could finally relax, rejoice,… and start planning my baby shower.
My heart goes out to women who are told so late in their pregnancy about severe birth defects and the decisions they must face. I only thank God for sparing me to have to make a decision of my own.
@sarcasatire….at 23 weeks, I went into labor. The baby was deemed “not viable”, but alive, and I had to be put into labor, and deliver naturally. We had to do the whole death certificate thing, funeral home etc., that was my experience. My heart goes out too to women who must face those decisions so late in their pregnancies, it’s something that always stays with you….
Happily, I now have two beautiful girls, I am glad it worked out for you as well, I love sucess stories.
I think lots of people name babies that don’t make it. Whenever people would start arguing about when life begins, my great-grandmama used to say it turns into a baby when the woman decides to be its mother, whether she’s pregnant or not at the time.
Which shuts everybody up real good so feel free to steal that in case you ever need it.
I think the Caleb miscarriage was when they decided God was punishing them for using birth control right after they had their 1st baby or something, so that’s when she started being a living sacrifice.
My alter ego Preachy McJudgington says whenever you hear somebody talk about how they’re willing to sacrifice for something, most of the time living for it is going to be a hell of a lot harder sacrifice than dying for it.
I understand the feeling that you want to deny aid to parents who are high or slackers, but the truth is, the children are going to be the ones who suffer. Where will they live, what can they eat?? I was under the impression that once you went on welfare you can’t get more money if you have more children. Did Clinton pass some law about that? It was supposed to prevent more children while on welfare.
Nads. I dont think they TRY to have the kids. I believe they dont do anything to prevent it. This is the norm in many faiths. I dont think the owrld needs more an dmore mega families but these people seem to support themselves and dont expect others to pay them for having so many kids. (octonut comes to mine)
@Joy, I love success stories, too! I’m glad yours had a happy ending!
@kloewent: I think a woman with three children may receive more aid than a woman with only one but I do believe there is a cap on it. I think what having more kids can do is allow the woman more time where she doesn’t have to participate in the vocational training programs (I just had a baby! I don’t have childcare!, etc) and so can get away with not working. Not that motherhood isn’t work, lol.
I believe the new scam, as told by my friend who is a teacher, is to have your child diagnosed with ADD as they will start receiving Social Security benefits immediately. My friend, who works at a charter school in Philly, says every kid in her class is diagnosed with ADD. One student has 12 siblings, many who are probably diagnosed as well. Cha-ching!
@Giff, yes, the Duggers and the whole Quiverfull Movement believe “birth control is the mother of abortion.” And while they don’t use birth control, Jim Bob said it was up to wife whether they had more kids. Did he mean it was up to his wife whether they would ever have sex again? lol, I was confused by that statement.
But their Quiverfull Movement wants to “meet their enemy wih a quiver full of arrows.” Arrows, meaning children. They want to grow in numbers and invade politics and change laws to their way of life. This is their primary reason for having children. Jim Bob was even a local politician.
Think, If each of the 19 children have just 3 kids, that will give the Dugger family close to 60 new members. That’s a lot of (pro-life, anti-gay marriage) voters.
They are a cult. Plain and simple. I have never said a racist thing on this board ever. But, I gotta tell ya, I don’t see many colored arrow’s in this quiver.
I am not sad for her that her baby died. Yes, I said it. I am sad for the kids in the family, and I am sad for the life that was lost. But, I am not sad for her. I am pissed off at her.
She very recently put a baby through things that none of us would want to go through. Tubes up our noses, needles in our arms. Test’s on an everyday basis, no comfort from a warm Mom against you while you are sick because you are in a sterile bed. A bed that has none of the comforts of home.
She saw her baby go through that and decided to chance it again, She knew that the reason the baby was born preamie was because the bluebook value on her clown car was 0. Yet she was gonna chance it again with another life.
What a scumbag.
OK. I have talked about race and talked badly about a woman who lost a child…
Go easy..I am a gentle soul.
TC, Robin
@kloewent I think it’s just our human nature that we love to talk about how people that can’t take care of them shouldn’t have kids but we forget that some good advice is kind of like a really great coupon with an expiration date.
Once they’re born, we’re either going to pay for taking care of them, or we’re going to pay for not taking care of them.
It’s like roads. Either we pay for roads or we pay for a wrecker to pull our car out of the mud, no matter where we want to go or why, or if the weatherman said it wasn’t going to rain that day.
I think it’s hard for people to accept that. So we end up arguing about the past, which we can’t change, when we should be arguing abou what result we want now and in the future.
@Robinez The Quiverfulls claim they’re not 100% white but if you click around you can see where lots of them are real worried that in the future there won’t be enough white people to go around.
So I guess they do believe in Mendel even if they don’t think much of Darwin.
I shouldn’t stay up this late. It makes me evil.
@Robin, I agree with you. And LOL at the blue book value of Michelle’s uterus! All true. Even looking at the photo accompanying this article, that child doesn’t look 100%. If having a child endangered one’s life as well as the child’s, that should be the last child one has. Heck, she has 18 others! Michelle is just being greedy. What’s a quiver full of broken arrows?
I also agree that their quiver doesn’t hold many colored arrows. But that’s a good thing. Maybe it’s one part ostracization by the Movement and one part common sense amongst the “colored.” Either way, the less people buying into this cult’s BS, the better.
I am glad Michelle has 19 healthy(ish?) children but I don’t think she needs gift us with any more. I’ve seen enough pics of girls parading the beach in knee length bathing suits.
@sarcasatire I made the mistake of letting Preachy McJudgington watch I Claudius.
So now she’s letting all the poisons out and making me confess that those episodes with little Josie in the NICU for like a yr were the most uncomfortable and awful to watch reality TV I’ve ever seen.
Their world tour wasn’t much better. Josie’s still on oxygen even though she’s almost 2 but they took her on the world tour anyway.
Of course she got sick and Michelle and Jill had to stay in Jerusalem with her for about a week extra after the rest of them went back to Arkansas.
And finally they had to hire a Jerusalem doctor to ride in the plane with them just to get her back home.
Then she went BACK in the hospital just a couple of weeks ago.
So it’s super tricky to even think about, because nobody wants to feel like she shouldn’t have been born, but then you think about what % of her life has been just suffering.
They made this big show. Literally a whole season of their show about Michelle practically living in the NICU with her.
They rented this huge antique historical site house in Little Rock for however many months so all the other 18 kids could be close by.
Nobody can say they missed a grain of rice making their whole universe all Josie all the time but for me anyway it’s real hard to keep from wondering how much JimBob and Michelle were thinking about what it’s been like for HER.
I also couldn’t help but wonder how much of all of that was the hospitals and Little Rock tourism getting some publicity and how different would it be for some random lady that waltzed into the emergency room 5 months pregnant with gall bladder problems and pre-eclampsia.
Even though I obviously don’t agree with their religion, it also makes me too sad to think about the other kids.
I don’t care how religious they are, they’re still human being kids and there’s no way in hell they’re really all just calm and joyfully waiting to accept God’s will.
There’s not much worse than being scared your mom might up and die any minute and that’s where these kids’ hearts have been too much already.
And for 2 yrs they’ve had to feel that same way about their baby sister too.
I’m 1 of those awful people that actually watches TV and stuff to get a BREAK from thinking about stuff like little babies that’s got something hurting them all the time.
Whew! That was a lot of typing, and I’m sure there’s people that hate me now, but I feel better that I finally got it out of my system.
Posting things on the internet really is helpful. I should’ve started doing this yrs ago.
They said a couple episodes back that they don’t believe in the idea of planetary overpopulation. Their argument was that there’s “a lot of open land in Arkansas.” I don’t think that’s an especially informed opinion. I salute them for being responsible enough to provide for their family on their own, but overpopulation is a fact–like global warming. You can plug your ears and say “nah nah nah” all you want, but someday soon, we’re ALL gonna have to face up to it. I imagine that he surprise on the Duggar’s and a number of Republican party member’s faces would be comical, if it didn’t mean everybody all the rest of us were circling the same drain.
okay, did no one read the original article correctly? she had a miscarriage 20 years ago and named that baby Caleb, not this baby!
they have named this baby Jubilee
Yep, “Jubilee Shalom Duggar” apparently.
These people just get more disgusting. Shopped around the Memorial story to the highest bidder. People Mag.
I asked myself why someone would want a publicist to talk to the press, and I thought that it may be to keep this painful event as private as they can so they won’t have to speak with the press.
Instead, they have sold their story to the highest bidder People Mag and are now sending a press release about the Memorial of their child.
I used to think these people were just a bunch of wacky folks who liked kids and since they weren’t hurting anyone, WTH.
Not anymore. They have an agenda and it includes not giving a shit about what kind of disability or pain any children they produce have as long as it achieves whatever goal they have.
I just cannot imagine spending so much time crib side with my flesh and blood who is fighting for her life every day and dealing with pain and discomfort every day, and then make a considered decision to take a chance that another child will go through that same thing because of my selfish persuit’s.
She’s put on the persona of someone that is so mild mannered, and soft spoken. The truth is, it takes a hard hearted bitch to watch what her baby went through and not care if it happens again to another one. For her own agenda. And they have one as big as that fucking clan of theirs.
I am not sure why they are advertising a Memorial for an in vitro baby. They also lied in the article. Doctors don’t let you go home with a dead baby inside of you. I know. Not at her stage. Maybe AMA..ins wont cover it..
@Lisa You are right. Post’s #10 and #13 addressed that
http://wonderwall.msn.com/tv/the-duggars-plan-memorial-for-miscarried-20th-child-1657382.story
While you and I have made similar points and agree about the Dugger clan and their agenda, I do have to disagree with one point, Robin. believe it or not, some docs are callous enough to send women home with a dead baby inside of them. My mom’s coworker had many unsuccessful pregnancies and the one that lasted the longest went into her second trimester. At a checkup, the doctor failed to find a heartbeat and declared the baby dead. But since it was Friday afternoon, he told her nothing could be done until Monday. Can you imagine how this woman must’ve felt to go an entire weekend knowing her child had perished inside of her, yet having people still remark (with glee) on her swollen belly? I felt awful when my mom told me this. I should say that this happened almost 15 years ago, so let us hope the laws/practices have changed since then.