Obama Remembers Being Born

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   classy drunk
   Posted April 28, 2011 at 4:42 am

   I love conspiracy theories. I haven’t found anyone that I know that doesn’t believe he was born in the US but if someone doesn’t believe it can you tell me why? I would love to hear that logic.

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   Snootchy Bootches
   Posted April 28, 2011 at 5:00 am

   I never doubted that he was born in the US, but what I would like to know is why he waited so long to show the dang thing? What was the big deal? When John McCain was required to show both long and short form, he just showed them. The article I read said that not only was the long form released, but also a copy of the letter sent to Hawaii asking for it. The letter was dated April 22, 2011. Why wait so many years if it was so quick and easy to get?

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   Snootchy Bootches
   Posted April 28, 2011 at 5:02 am

   Just to clarify what I meant above, if he had just showed it years ago when it first became an issue, the issue would have been squashed. But by refusing to do so, he gave the conspiracy legs.

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   c8h10n4o2
   Posted April 28, 2011 at 5:15 am

   He did show what Hawaii considers a “birth certificate” before the election, but since it didn’t have that name because Hawaii doesn’t call them “birth certificates”, that’s what the birthers were hanging on to. This new thing actually has much less legal meaning than the certificate he produced YEARS ago.

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   c8h10n4o2
   Posted April 28, 2011 at 5:17 am

   And this conspiracy has nothing to do with legality. They’ll find something else to hang onto, and most of it is thinly veiled in racism. Trump’s new “how did he get into an Ivy League school” kick is so blatantly an accusation of affirmative action at work, it’s pathetic.

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   ohralphie
   Posted April 28, 2011 at 5:20 am

   I agree with @snootchy bootches — I never doubted that Obama was born in the US, but I do have relatives(elderly) that did. When I would ask why would they believe he wasn’t born in HI, they would always point to the fact that Obama refused to give up the long form as proof he was trying to hide ‘something’.
   This should have ended a long, long time ago.

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   JC
   Posted April 28, 2011 at 7:11 am

   Obama could have handled this years ago. Along comes Trump to give the questions publicity and Obama folded. He gave Trump a clear victory. Trump made the most powerful man in the world capitulate by doing nothing more than giving a few TV interviews. Makes Obama look like the inexperienced leader that he is.

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   thiajok
   Posted April 28, 2011 at 7:20 am

   Frankly, my take is that it’s like showing a kid an empty cookie jar to prove there are no cookies and shut him up. I was kind of hoping the birth certificate thing would go on a lot longer since it was so utterly ridiculous to even consider it an issue.

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   NotWithoutMyTV
   Posted April 28, 2011 at 7:26 am

   Wow JC, when you put in like that, Donald Trump immediately elevates from a cartoonish buffoon to a clearly superior presidential candidate who could easily beat that dilettante Obama!

   I vote for my presidents based on how good they look on TV. I saw Trump gassing about how he’d stand up to OPEC the other day, and that ORANGE TOAD is not somebody I want to see constantly popping up on my screen.

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    kczar
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 7:27 am

    This whole issue just boggles my mind and makes me sad about us as a country. We no longer think for ourselves. If it’s on Wikipedia, it must be true!

    When Obama showed his birth certificate originally, it’s the only one that Hawaii issued. But that wasn’t good enough for the right wing kooks. Then it was, why doesn’t he provide the long form? Short answer, the one that’s been given over and over again, Hawaii doesn’t issue the long form certficate. He had to get a waiver from the state government to get it.

    Now, it’s intimating he didn’t earn his degree honestly. I just wish one of these people making these accusations would just says what’s really on their mind. Obama is black and his father was Muslim and that scares the s4!* out of them.

    Can we now move on to more important things, like what’s Charlie Sheen up to?

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    2Hyper
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 7:47 am

    Grrr…like I’ve said to everyone within earshot! It was not up to Obama to release his birth certificate. It was up to the state of Hawaii!!!! He actually had to seek legal counsel to see what he could do to get Hawaii to release the long form. The only reason Hawaii agreed to do it is because of the large number of requests they received that was actually disrupting them from getting any legitimate work done. If he had forced his “presidential hand” to make Hawaii release the form, people would have bitched that he was circumventing state laws for his personal benefit.

    If you want to criticize the man about legitimate things he has done…fine! Its part of the job of being president. But to just be shooting nonsense out of your ass is just ridiculous. Donald Trump is known for being an ass so I expect nothing less from him. I am appalled at the media for given this stupid nonsense attention. Donald reminds me of some folks I know: never one to let silly things like FACTS, LOGIC, and COMMON SENSE get in the way of a good argument!

    The sheer absurdity of the situation just baffles me. I think to question his legitimacy is also to question the entire government’s due diligence because if were truly not eligible then not only did Obama lie, the FBI failed to do their job! We have seen time and time again that every dark secret politicians have come to light during campaigning. They were able to find out the man smoke pot but not where he was born… give me a break.

    A friend of mine on FB had a joke going that now there is a new movement starting, The After-Birthers…they are demanding to see the actual placenta of his birth. That’s the only thing that have made me smile.

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    LAC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 8:02 am

    2Hyper, you stated it better and classier than I could. Frankly, I would have told Trump, Palin, and the rest of the “birthers” to go fuck themselves. It is a new low point in American politics. I stopped watching celebrity apprentice because I wanted to punch the TV when that combed over orange buffoon came on my screen. ENOUGH WITH THIS SHIT!! Now the President is supposed to show his grades to this bankruptcy prone idiot? Is it okay NOW to call it what it is? ‘Cause that is what I am calling it – pure and simple racism.

    And 2Hyper, I heard that joke too – one of the few times I smiled yesterday.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 8:19 am

    @2hyper, well said. Especially when you pointed out that the implication that Obama is not an American citizen meant that not only did he lie, but so did the FBI and anyone else who investigated him during his campaign. Sorry, that doesn’t wash. But, trust me, there will always be an thinly veiled attempt to discredit Obama, not based on his policies, but on fear mongering and racism. I can’t wait until they start calling him Barack Hussein Obama again, emphasis on Hussein.

    Oh, and he graduated magna cum laude at Harvard Law, they don’t give those out to fill quotas, Trump, they’re earned, my dear. Unlike you, inheriting your father’s wealth and mismanaging funds until you need to file bankruptcy every few years. Do you really think we’d trust you with the nation’s funds? The first thing you’d do is try to turn the White House into a skyscraper.

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    LAC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 8:26 am

    sarcas! LOL!! Or the Washington Monument into an luxury apartment complex, complete with gold toilets.

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    classy drunk
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 8:34 am

    @2hyper, ok so I’m not the only one that knows that the State of Hawaii doesn’t release the long form.

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    JC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 8:57 am

    @ NotWithoutMyTV – I don’t care how you pick a candidate to vote for. You make it sound as if I were endorsing Trump, which I wasn’t. I merely pointed out that Trump intimidated the president and the president folded. I’d say that’s an obvious win for Trump. Besides, why are you so bigoted about the color of someone’s skin?

    To the commenters who join the chorus and cite racism as the reason a lot of people don’t like Obama… there are plenty of legitimate reasons why people don’t like him. To jump immediately to racism as the first cause shows how shallow and/or ignorant you are.

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    NotWithoutMyTV
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 9:15 am

    I guess if being put off by, being afraid of, and disliking people who have unnaturally orange spray-on tans (Trump, the Shore Whores, Lindsay Lohan, et al.) then yeah. I’m a bigot.

    I’m still okay with Mormons…as long as they’re not fat.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Call me racist, but I’m not ready for an orange president.

    @LAC: LOL, yes! Trump’s first order of business would be to coat every structure in glass and steel, then paint his name to the side of Air Force One. In gold letters, of course.

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    VirginiaApple
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Come on, we all know this long-form birth certificate is fake. What, are we just supposed to start believe documents or something?

    Things like this make me so grateful for Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. Also, I SINCERELY hope that someone checked his birth certificate before he was, you know, elected and sworn into office and serving as President for 2+ years. Otherwise we have much bigger problems than this.

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    LAC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 9:53 am

    JC, you can legitimately dislike the President’s policies and disagree with him, but to sit here and pretend that this nonsense over his birth certificate is based on anything other than racism is ridiculous. I didn’t vote for Bush, but I didn’t sit around wondering about his birth records or his academic records. I could legitimately question his agenda without resorting to racially motivated attacks. That is the difference. Maybe you have never experienced having your legitimacy to attend a school or have a certain job, but I have. And I have no patience for the ingenue act that sheltered folks who have never had to walk in another shoes put on about how wrong we are to call it out when we see it.

    Now, maybe in your mind the braying jackass act that Trump has perfected is impressive. Good for you and enjoy his show. But for most people with attached brain stems, the embarassment is more directed at the idiots in this country that have had free reign to clog up the airwaves with this distracting trivel.

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    LAC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 9:55 am

    @ Sarcas – LOL!! I can see that happening. The Presidential seal would have to be redesigned too – gold lettering!

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    rebecca
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 10:15 am

    @2hyper – BRAVO! I couldnt have said it better – and do people really think that Obama’s life wasnt investigated inside and out when he became senator – let alone when he ran for president? do you think he not being born in the USofA would have sliped by the CIA? I DONT think so! Trump is an ASS!

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    cattyfan
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 10:15 am

    The problem is Obama hasn’t released A LOT of information which other candidates and presidents have readily released. School records, tax records, and health records for Obama have all been kept secret…yet he still goes on about “transparency.” Obama himself, by being secretive, is feeding the nutty theories. He should just release his records like everyone else has and put an end to all the silly speculation.

    It doesn’t help when he comes out with the birth certificate (finally) and makes comments about how he has so much more important things to do…then leaves the press conference to fly to Chicago to guest on Oprah, and to attend three fund-raisers. Obama contributes to much of his own bad press.

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    rebecca
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 10:25 am

    IMO – why should obama release anything to the public – the people that need to know – do know – I personally do not want to know his financies , school records and tax records – they are none of my business.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 10:26 am

    I’m kind of upset he released the birth certificate. I would’ve let the issue get so big in the Birthers’ minds that during the 2012 campaign, it would’ve been their main gripe and all they would talk about. And at the first debate, I’d whip out my long form and watch them stutter as their argument falls apart, and then I’d politely ask, “anything else?”

    (tee-hee at Obama whipping out his long form.)

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    rebecca
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 10:29 am

    @sarcasatire – LOL! but seriously – are we going to go through this with every future presdident from now on – or just the African American ones? i dont remember anyone else in the past being called to reveal their long form BC to the public.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Rebecca, exactly. Obama was elected into the White House in 2008, and in 2011, people are still asking that he prove his eligibility..to RUN for office!

    How silly does that sound??

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    rebecca
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 10:33 am

    @sarcasatire – agreed! and like i said before – do people really think he could have held the office of senator and ran for president – even became President – without his background being THOROUGHLY Checked out?! I mean Come on people!

    Trump is an ASS!

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    LAC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Sarcas – apparently it is hard to believe that Barack Obama went to a school, went to a doctor, and was actually born out of a womb. Gee, I wonder why that is? I mean, it has to be a legitimate reason for that disbelief, right? And btw, who says the earth is really round? I want to see their credentials! And how dare he go to fundraisers – bad president!!

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    JC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 10:38 am

    @ NotWithoutMyTV – As I suspected, you’re so full of bigotry that there’s no room for you to be a racist. As for me, I love fat Mormons… especially with BBQ sauce.

    @ LAC – I believe you attempted to insult me at least six times in your comment. You see racism and I don’t. It’s up to you to prove your claim. Just calling someone a racist doesn’t mean that they are, it just means you are calling them a racist. I can just as easily call you a tampon huffer; doesn’t mean it’s true, but if I make the claim I should be able to prove it. As for clogging up the airwaves… I don’t think it’s the people you call idiots who are doing it. Don’t the TV producers decide what goes on the air?

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    cattyfan
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 10:48 am

    It’s not that people don’t believe he went to college or to the doctor. Past presidents have been very open about their records.

    Imagine what people would have said if Bush had kept everything a secret? As it was he gets called stupid…in spite of the fact he had better grades than John Kerry (who is supposedly considered to be smart.)

    Obama is fueling rumors for no apparent reason. If he truly believes in transparency, and he wants to move on to more important topics, he should disclose his records as all other candidates and presidents have done. By keeping things secret, he has purposely opnend himself up to speculation as to what he’s hiding.

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    LAC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 11:00 am

    JC – I am sorry – was it just an attempt to insult you? I thought I did. My bad… You don’t see racism, so be it. I am beyond tired of reading, listening or viewing the alternative reality viewpoint of a small section of this country. It has gotten too much attention already. As for a “tampon huffer”, I don’t even know what you are talking about…

    Cattyfan – you have to come back with some legitimacy to your claim that records have not been released. The only sites claiming this are the “bigfoot” ones. And I do not believe for a minute that it would satisfy people who question the legitimacy of this man to be President. You are hardwired differently if you think Obama is fueling this controversy.

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    marijai
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Trump as president announcing we’re going to war….”it’s going to be huge….the best produced war America has even been in…it is going to be the top war in the world and it’s going to be a top-notch operation…the best weapons, defenses, and even the most stylish of uniforms…now, here is Secretary of War Gary Busey to fill you in on the details….”

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    thiajok
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 11:16 am

    I don’t think it’s a stretch to suppose that the reason he’s been given so much flak is because he’s half black, has Hussein as a middle name, and a Muslim for a father. To deny so is naive, really. Maybe you personally don’t like his policy but to think that someone managed to get through an entire campaign with false birth records, academic records, financial records, etc. is impossible. Not unless we’ve all been transported to movie “The Manchurian Candidate.”

    2Hyper, my friends on FB have been posting that about the placenta, too. It’s cute and from The Onion site, I think. I suggested that perhaps we now need to pursue investigating whether or not he actually ran for president.

    Well put LAC and 2Hyper.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 11:19 am

    @catty, Obama isn’t fueling rumors, he’s ignoring them.

    What would releasing health records to the public achieve? If he’s healthy, then what? If he’s unhealthy, then what? I mean our last vice president had a weak heart. And the president, a weak mind.. oops, there goes someone insulting the intelligence of a C student who was allowed to run our country. Maybe it’s best to jump on the bandwagon and discredit a Magna Cum Laude ivy leaguer. That’s a much more stable soapbox to scream from. /sarcasm

    @LAC: I want to see Obama’s mother’s stretch marks and episiotomy scar. And if she doesn’t any, then I’ll really be suspicious.

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    thiajok
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 11:19 am

    By the way, just for the record, my first post on this thread about the kid needing to be shown the cookie jar to prove there are no cookies and to shut his unreasonable tantrum down was directly meant for you, JC. So, dear, LAC might not have meant to insult you, but I did.

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    2muchbravo
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Wait. Hawaii’s a state?!

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    sarcasatire
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 11:27 am

    @LAC: I want to see Obama’s mother’s stretch marks and episiotomy scar. And if she doesn’t have any, then I’ll really be suspicious.

    (edited for typos. No worries, my school records will be released shortly.)

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    Beachgal
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Why doesn’t Donald Trump release his own birth certificate? He never release anything official either.
    I disagree with the poster who said Donald made Obama capitutalte. A lot of Republicans have been distancing themselves from the Donald because he is a buffoon and the birthers argument is actually hurting them more then helping.
    And I do find it interesting that Donald wants to imply Obama does not belong in Harvard when Donald was rejected from both Columbia and Harvard. He is an attention whore.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 11:34 am

    If I wanted a president with orange skin and cotton candy hair, I’d vote for an Oompa Loompa.

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    Rebecca
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 11:35 am

    LMFAO @2muchbravo – that sums up this topic / conversation in a nutshell – how ridiculous it is!

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    Rebecca
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 11:37 am

    oh and..

    Trump is an ASS!

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    sarcasatire
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 11:43 am

    I seriously doubt Obama was born in Hawaii. I’ve never heard him speak pidgin.

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    vallegirl
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 11:48 am

    I would like to point out that the “short form” certificate of live birth is what all states issue now. Arizona doesn’t even have the long form and hasn’t for years. So when Obama released the short form in 2008, he was releasing what is accepted BY THE US GOVERNMENT and a legal birth certificate. The wack jobs refused to accept it.

    Further, as to why now instead of “years ago?” Because now is when Republican state legislatures across the country are debating whether or not to amend their state Constitutions to require that all candidates for elected office, including the President, show their “official” birth certificate, ie not the short form certificate of live birth that Obama produced, to be eligible to be on the ballot. As many of those measures are gaining traction, and would likely prevent Obama from appearing on the ballot in 2012 without the long form birth certificate, there suddenly became a more urgent political need to shut these jackholes up.

    And I don’t need to see the college grades of a magna cum laude graduate and Harvard Law Review editor to know he’s smart enough to have earned his way through both Columbia AND Harvard Law School.

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    LAC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 11:49 am

    LOL!! OMG, sarcas, marijal, rebecca – you guys made me laugh! Thank you! I needed that!

    Oh, and Rebecca…

    Trump is an ASS!

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    Rebecca
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 11:59 am

    @LAC – that is going to be my signature from now on on all my emails and posts – I dont think i have felt so strongly someone was an Ass since Palin last opened up her mouth.

    Trump is an ASS!

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    sarcasatire
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Wait, so Trump made a deal with the media that when Obama showed his birth certificate, Trump would show his tax returns. We’re waiting, Mr. Trump!

    (I doubt Trump will release his tax records. He doesn’t want the world to know he isn’t really a billionaire or that the main source of his income is from reality TV.)

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53816.html

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    Snootchy Bootches
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    If it is racist for people to want to see Obama’s long form birth certificate, was it also racist when the democratic party required John McCain to provide his long form? Or is it only racist when someone is black?

    The democrats tried to deny John McCain the right to run for president because they said that he wasn’t a natural born citizen because he was born in Panama. They were wrong, of course, because his father was stationed there as a service member and both of his parents were citizens. But then they tried to say that he wasn’t eligible because he was born in a civilian hospital instead of a military hospital… nevermind the fact that most military hospitals, especially those outside the US, don’t have the facilities for it. But McCain was very open with his documents so that his accusers were left without a leg to stand on. His openness made it a non-issue. Obama should have done the same.

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    Rebecca
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    @snootchy – i think the comment was made that it is not that Obama refused to show the long form certificate – its that he couldnt get his hands on it.

    I really dont understand why the long form is more valid than the shortform anyways – I myself can not get my hands on my long form birth certificate – im 43 years old and have tried to for over 20 years – I was adopted and it is sealed – and ive even been to court and still cant get my hands on the damned thing – being told over and over that is is unnecesary and all i need to know is on my short certificate. God Forbid I run for anything – altho – i think my drunkedness and whoreish ways might keep me out of office before the certificate battle even comes up! LOL!

    Trump is an ASS

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    LAC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Some interesting articles on the McCain eligibility issues. Nice that the Senate unanimously stated its support for his eligibility to run. There were democrats in that body at the time, I think.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/citizen_mccain.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224_2.html

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    2Hyper
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Riddle me this Batman:
    1. Is Obama more or less American today than he was two years ago because now the long form has been released?
    2. Because someone doesnt believe something, does that make the facts any less true? For example, I am tall. Since none of you has ever met, I have no way to prove this fact. Does that mean I am not actually tall?

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    Libithina
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    HAHA! “Tampon Huffer”! I have negative zero clue what that means, but I’m totally going to start using that! Has anyone else watched Traffic Light after Raising Hope? Two weeks (?) ago, one of the characters called people who pissed her off “bonebags,” “tampon huffer” reminded me of that, I do love me some made up insults. Thanks JC! PS Going forward whenever I see “JC” I won’t think of Jesus Christ, I’ll think “tampon huffer,” thanks?

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    2Hyper
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    LOL Rebecca.. I would vote for you because at least you are honest about your drunk and whorish ways. That’s an improvement from all the drunk and whorish politicians that act like their shit dont stink! I dont associate with any party and I think the whole concept of the Republican and Democratic parties get in the way of getting actual beneficial work done. Its all about doing what’s best for your party instead of what’s best for the country.

    now i will retire myself from this tedious discussion. TVGasm is my safe haven, I wish for it to remain that way.

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    JC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    @ cattyfan – Bush kept tons of personal info secret, or tried to, anyway. The difference is that he never touted transparency as a cornerstone of his political platform. Bush was no great president, regardless of his oppositions attempt to portray him as an imbecile. I certainly don’t think Obama is evil or an idiot. I think he’s just inexperienced in governing and that lack of experience is presenting itself more frequently as his administration continues.

    @ LAC – Then I must apologize to you, also… I don’t feel insulted because I don’t think you have any authority in the matter. You’re opinion about things matters as much to me as my opinions do to you, I guess. The “tampon huffer” reference was meant to be an allusion to how ridiculous it is to automatically label someone a racist because they don’t agree with you or find fault with someone who is of a different “race”.

    @ marijai – If Trump runs I may vote for him just for the slightest chance that he makes that statement!

    @ thiajok – If that’s your idea of an insult… well, you need to try harder. I didn’t even know you were trying to insult me until you told me. Now that I know… eh, I still don’t care. I have to ask, though, are you this way with everyone who disagrees with your opinion about anything, or are you only this way with people who disagree with you on the internet?

    @ sarcasatire – You *wish* somebody cared about your school records being released. I doubt you’ll release them, though; you’d rather encourage all the people who doubt you to continue to ask questions. I’d bet your records show that you were continuously reprimanded for improper grammar and statement omission.

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    LAC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    JC – bless your heart. And I am so glad we agree about each other’s opinions. It makes things like “tampon huffer” easier to just smile at. Have a fantastic day and a better tomorrow…

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    2Hyper
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    *Comments not geared to any specific person** Over the years, I have learned its best to politely but intelligently disagree with someone based on actual facts and supporting opinions rather than making personal attacks on someone. Then you just look petty. I am suprised how many times arguments flair up on here and people quickly go for the cheap easy personal attacks. I welcome anyone to disagree with me with actual facts to my points (So far no one has!).

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    cattyfan
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    I am in agreement that Trump is an ass…although it might be funny to see him look at a cabinet member and say, “you’re fired”…while at the same time it wuld be sad to see the White House painted gold. As for his records not having been released, he’s not a candidate yet.

    I would like to see Obama’s school records and writings released (as all past candidates and presidents have done) to give us better insight into how he became the man he is today. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want to know (and know well) the man who is running our country.

    For example, when Joe Biden ran for president years ago, his records were released…and it came to light that Biden is a plagiarist. This was an important fact to know. And I am curious…everyone says Obama is so brilliant. It would be interesting to know if his grades and writing bear that out, because his ability to govern sure haven’t.

    So far, I hate all the people who seem to be in the running (or hinting at it) for the 2012 presidential elections…

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    Snootchy Bootches
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    @Rebecca – I understand it was stated that he couldn’t get the long form. And yet, he sent a letter on April 22 and was able to get it in less than 5 days. Clearly, it was possible.

    @LAC – Yes the senate, including the democrats, voted to allow McCain. At that point, there were no grounds to refuse him. Had he refused to provide certain documents, I’m sure it wouldn’t have been as smooth. But my point was that the request was made of him because of politics not racism. Both political parties are exactly the same. They are filled with people who have given up their integrity (at least in part) in return for a public position. And both sides do the exact same dirty tricks and bullshit. Both sides have their crazy fringe element. And thinking that your party is somehow angelic while the other side is demonic is ridiculous and if you believe it, I’ll sell you a really nice bridge. It’s located in Brooklyn.

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    LAC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    @Catty – I guess those two books he wrote are pointless, huh?

    And I am curious as what writings candidates George Bush, Clinton, George Sr, and Reagan “offered up” and what point they would have made?

    See, the problem I have with your comments (aside from the “we don’t know him” conspiracy sounding tone) is that you seem to want your obviously low opinion of Obama to be vindicated by some smoking gun in his transcripts, etc. And I think that it wouldn’t matter if we had his first grade grammar tests, people with your mindset are not going to change your mind about him. Just be honest about your feelings and stop pretending that there will ever be any objective evidence out there that will satisfy you.

    I was just going to let this zip by, but I feel I needed to be direct with you as I have not in the past.

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    2Hyper
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    He had to circumvent state law to do so and again it was up to Hawaii to grant the release. The final decision was not up to him. He made the request as eveyone else did and his request was granted by the state of Hawaii. It’s not like he called up the governor of Hawaii and said “hey, can you just give me a copy of my form so these people should not bothering me”. He had to follow a process and the Hawaii government had the final say. Why is this important tidbit left out of the discussion every time?! Its not like he had a copy in his back pocket and failed to show you. He didnt have a copy in his actual possession until now and to be honest, he shouldnt have had to do this. He followed the process every other candidate did and was granted permission..end of discussion!

    Last I check I dont have access to Bush, or any other president’s birth certificate, grades, or first grade art project because it does not have any relevance to anything going on today.

    One more time, and all together now: HE DID NOT HAVE THE POWER TO RELEASE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE, ONLY THE STATE OF HAWAII HAD THE POWER TO DO SO!

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    LAC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    Snootchy, I just didn’t see the organized effort against McCain by a party. I am not naive – they may have winked at it, but at the time, the spotlight on Obama’s eligibility was on the table as well. And that the chamber could get together and at least be adults was something worth noting.

    Politics is a dirty job – but at some point, someone has to step up, take the keys away from the inmates, put them back in their cells, and bring back the focus to actual issues. That the GOP leadership continues to dance around this nonsense, even against the advice of their operatives, is wrong. And bringing up McCain doesn’t make it any less wrong.

    Ugh, I have been on the soapbox too long. My apologies…

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    cattyfan
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    The two books Obama wrote were self-serving, and edited by people who manage his image (as ALL politicians’ books are.) I would like to see his unvarnished writings from college. I freely admit I have a very low opinion of Obama as a politician…a hold over from when I lived in Illinois, and he was serving there. Nothing he’s done as president has changed that opinion. That doesn’t mean there is “no point” to wanting to see his college grades and writings.

    2Hyper…plenty was made of previous candidates’ and presidents’ writings and grades from their college days. No one is looking for a “first grade art project.” And I never said a word about Obama’s birth certificate, except that he could have put this whole thing to rest years ago when people first started kvetching (as evidenced by the ease with which he did so this week by simply writing a request, which was almost immediately granted.)

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    2Hyper
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    @cattyfan: Again you fail to acknowledge that the ultimate decision was not his to make. Hawaii had to grant the request. There are statements of the Hawaii government saying that this is not normal and the only reason they did so was to combat the enormous amount of requests the office had received, not because Obama asked! The largest amt of requests were bogging down the government’s ability to actually do their job.

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    2Hyper
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    @cattyfan: answer me this… Does seeing a scanned copy of his birth certificate change your perspective or beliefs in regards to Obama in any way? Personally, it does not change my opinions in the slightest (and I have no dog in this fight, I’m not an American citizen, but I am legal!). It does not change my opinions on the issues I think he should be focusing on, etc.. Nothing’s changed. We all saw proof of something that has always been true….whoop-de-do!

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    (J)ustPeachy
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Wow! I see why we try to avoid politics on this site.
    I’m just going to say that I agree with thiajok, kczar, 2Hyper, LAC, sarcasatire, rebecca, and vallegirl (very well put all of you,) with a big LOL to marijai.
    I am so disappointed in the American public, and it’s not just because Scotty McCreepy is still on American Idol. With all of the major issues going on right now, all the news talked about last night was this crap and the royal wedding. Seriously? Is this what we have become? Let’s all fight over details while the country goes to shit? If we don’t pay attention to the big problems do we think they will just go away? We can’t get shit done because we are too busy bickering. *smh*
    Hate me all you want (I won’t respond,) but I don’t give a shit about them getting married, we have WAY more important issues that need to be addressed! And tell me this ain’t because he’s half black, muslim, middle name Hussein, and trying to make things better for “the rest of us.” This shit has been going on since the day he announced his candidacy, and if you chosen to ignore it, that’s fine, but don’t say there isn’t proof.

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    (J)ustPeachy
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    *if you have chosen to ignore it. Sorry, got a little heated there.

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    JC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    @ Libithina – I sincerely apologize for changing your perceptions. I must admit that the letters ‘JC’ are truly the initials for my name and not meant to invoke any religious connotations. That, and I do think that ‘tampon huffer’ is funnier than ‘bonebags’.

    @ LAC – Damn it! How can I conduct a proper internet argument if you suddenly decide to be nice? Know this… you have made a formidable internet enemy this day. (OK, not really. I still like you, in theory.)

    @ 2Hyper – If I had actually read any of your comments, besides this one, I probably would. But, I didn’t, so you can continue to live in the factual void you call a life.

    @ Snootchy Bootches – I wish I had said what you just said. Well played.

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    itchy
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    Be honest, cattyfan, nothing Obama could do would be enough for you.

    What you are demanding, in fact, is the sort of invasion of privacy that should make any self-respecting American — indeed any person who believes in the principles of liberty, democracy and justice — shudder in absolute horror.

    It’s ironic that the people demanding this kind of nonsense are also the biggest flag-wavers out there. Ironic too that many of these same people had earlier suggested amending the Constitution in order to enable Schwarzenegger to run for president.

    As for the notion that by waiting to release this document that Obama is somehow responsible for this witchhunt — a new low in America’s political process: pure hogwash.

    I lay the blame for this squarely on the media, who have fanned the flames — because it sells advertisements — of a subject that should have been consigned squarely to the lunatic bin.

    Tell you what pissed me off too: I’m American. My kids are Americans. But they happened to have been born overseas. Which means that somehow, they’re second-class Americans? Well, fuck you too.

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    captain-save-uh-hoe
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    I don’t know about the rest of you… but I definitely clicked on the ‘vote here now’ for President Trump Box at the top right corner of this page… KIDDING. Seriously, please don’t come after me with the pitchforks and torches!

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    2Hyper
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    @JC – thanks for the laugh. I literally laughed out loud at your comments directed towards me. Like I mentioned, I refrain from making personal statements about people I dont know in person and will continue to do so. I have made no personal comments towards you, your life, and general well-being and yet you choose to respond to me directly with a personal baseless insult simply because I do not agree with you. I have noticed you have not made similar comments to anyone who happen to agree with you, only to people that disagree.

    Like I said before, your opinion, or lack therof, does not change what is true in my life or anyone else’s.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    What I want to know is…why wasn’t Obama invited to the Royal Wedding?

    I mean, if you’re going to invite ruthless dictators of countries like Saudi Arabia and Swaziland, wouldn’t it be nice to extend the invitation to the ‘leader of the free world?’

    @Itchy, well said. Like you, 2Hyper, and LAC have pointed out..Obama’s records would not change anyone’s minds. And the fact that they are still holding on to the idea of a smoking gun is so funny because, trust me, if there was any real dirt on Obama, we’d have found out about it a long time ago. Imagine! There’d would have been such a stampede to blow the whistle that the resulting casualties would’ve been blamed on him, as well.

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    LAC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    captain! No, you di’nt!! Didn’t we share a moment? Don’t you remember our “West Side Story” love?

    WHERE MUH PITCHFORK!!!!

    JC – how can I hate someone who gave me “tampon huffer”? LOL!!!

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    2Hyper
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    @LAC: I watched West Side Story years ago and I dont remember it being that memorable. You are making me want to rewatch it.

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    LAC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    2Hyper – do watch it. I admit I would cry every time I watched it and yes, I can sing all parts of “In America” (with an accent that would put Rosie Perez to shame). But don’t let the image deter you. After today’s political bantering, it might be what you need.

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    JC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    @ 2Hyper – I don’t know that I disagree with you. As I said, I didn’t read any of your previous comments. I’m glad I made you laugh, though. I awake each day thinking, “I want to make someone laugh.” Regardless of your observations, I have made comments to people I agree with. I have to ask… why would I make similar comments to people I agree with? Isn’t the point of debate to present an argument against those that you disagree with? Are you saying I have a lack of opinion? That’s an odd thing to say after I’ve clearly demonstrated that I do have an opinion. And, to be honest, my opinion does change what is true in your life and everyone else’s. In fact, just typing this sentence changes what is true in your life. Relax, sister, we’re on the same team.

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    Angela Parisi LaRoe
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    Oh yay, another war.

    I do not like Obama but I do think that this whole birth certificate is ridiculous. My dad agrees with the conspiracy theorists but even he has quieted down since it was released. Personally, I couldn’t care less where he was born, how he was born, what his middle name is, whatever. I just do not enjoy most of his politics.

    My whole point is that questioning a LEGAL document is unreal. I was born in New Hampshire and when I had to request mine A) it took almost 2 MONTHS to get to me (and I live like, 2 states over in NY which takes forever too) and B) all I could get was a short form live birth certificate. When my son was born, my husband and I got a short form and a long form birth certificate. Life goes on. I just know that the conspiracy theorists are going to come up with something else. It gets annoying after a while.

    I don’t like Trump either. I only watch Celebrity Apprentice for Marlee Matlin and DearCrabby’s recaps.

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    2Hyper
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    I thought the point of the debate was to exchanging opposing thoughts with supporting arguments; not make personal statements about the person. Silly me!

    ..what team would that be exactly, sister? I am completely relaxed. Light verbal sparing on TVGasm is not enough to rock my world. I’ve been on baby boards that make would make TVGasm debaters blush!..LOL If you think politics get people riled up, just say the words c-sections, vaccination, formula, circumcision in the midst of a bunch of mothers.. it aint pretty!

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    captain-save-uh-hoe
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    @LAC… If Westside story can’t bring us together, what is this world coming too?!

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    thiajok
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    And so, JC typed for my sins, shared his/her opinion, changed my life and perception with a simple convoluted post, and all was well with the world again.

    Why is it always the agitators who eventually claim they were merely trying to debate?

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    Angela Parisi LaRoe
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    @2Hyper-I agree with you on that. You just mentioning the word C-Section gave me a flashback of mine even though it wasn’t what you intended. I don’t bother going on those sites anymore because it gets ridiculous. Who cares about if the kid was born naturally or surgically, as long as the kid is okay?

    Back to the topic at hand……….

    I HATE THERESA!!!

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    Libithina
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    JC, dude(tte?) so not offended at all! Laughs trumps everything! Tampon huffer is killing me, I’ve dropped it 3x already.

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    Derek Hazelton
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    As an aside, I put “tampon huffer” in urban dictionary, and “butt huff” came up. Apparently, a “butt huff” is soaking a tampon in alcohol and ingesting it through the anus. I don’t know the exact point of the alcohol, unless it serves as some sort of lubricant?

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    captain-save-uh-hoe
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    OOOOk. Since it’s my irk when people spell the to/too’s wrong… I am acknowledging that I made that grievous mistake in my last comment! There, my sanity remains intact. Continue on.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    @2Hyper, No one goes harder than a lactivist! Ha!

    I see how most of us have chosen not to engage the steadfast denials that some of the anti-Obama propoganda is tinged with racism because, frankly, it’s too ridiculous to even deny at this point. Of course, there are people who dislike him for his issues, which is fine..but others who just can’t seem to get past the color of his skin. I’m only bringing this up because I just remembered what happened a week ago and wonder if it’s been forgotten already.

    Did you guys hear about the racist email that was sent out by that female politician? A Tea Party activist (surprise, surprise) and leader of the district of Orange County, CA (another shocker!) sent out an email 2 weeks which explains why Obama wouldn’t show his certificate. In the email, there is an image of Obama and his parents, depicted as chimpanzees, under the caption: “Now, you know why – no birth certificate!”

    Marilyn Davenport is her name and she has not been asked to resign or even reprimanded that I’ve heard. Her response to the outrage was quite amusing, though: “Oh, come on! Everybody who know me knows that I am not a racist. I have friends who are black.”

    Wait..it gets better.

    “In no way did I even consider the fact he’s half-black when I sent out the email.” (insert chuckles here)

    Angela, I was hoping, that in the interest of our mostly civil discussion, that for this thread, we adopt a new tagline.

    TRUMP IS AN ASS!!

    I mean, isn’t that something we can all agree on? (Thanks, Rebecca)

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    sarcasatire
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    @Derek, Vodka soaked tampons are the ‘new’ way to drink alcohol. Apparently, you get drunk must faster through the anus yet can still fool a breathalyzer.

    Hey, it beats those college students who were going blind by pouring vodka in their eyes in order to get drunk faster. I hope the butt huffing trend catches on. Only because it would be great too see all those frat boys on line at Walmart holding boxes of OB.

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    JC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    @ 2Hyper – I doubt anyone who follows TVGasm would blush compared to your ‘baby board’ discussions. I’ve had discussions on usenet that would make satan recoil in disgust. Believe it or not, we all survived… well, most of us, anyway.

    @ thiajok – Why is it that you think the debaters are nothing more than agitators? I have a few theories about that… A) You’ve never participated in a debate. B) You have participated in debates, but you’ve always lost. C) You don’t have anything to add to the debate. D) You proclaim everyone who disagrees with you an ‘agitator’. For me, at least, I’m just glad to have made the world well again.

    @ Libithina – “Dude”, to answer your question. And, I’m not particularly proud that the funniest thing I can imagine today is ‘tampon huffer’. But, there it is.

    @ Derek Hazelton – Was it really necessary to share that with us? FYI, alcohol is absorbed faster through the intestines if applied directly. Much faster than it is through regular digestion. To be blunt, people have died from imbibing alcohol rectally. Please don’t ask why or how I know that.

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    Derek Hazelton
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    @ JC, considering you never explained exactly what a “tampon huffer” was, I wanted to know. I figured it had a sexual connotation, therefore, I looked on Urban Dictionary. Apparently, it’s a made up term, but I wanted to share something amusing to brake all the tension.

    Between this and the last Survivor episode, we’ve covered all the trifecta of evil topics: race, religion, politics. I’m worn out!

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    sarcasatire
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    JC, considering it was you who brought up ‘tampon huffer’ and most of us remarked on not knowing what one was, it was only a matter of time before someone would look it up and share their findings with the rest of us. Thanks, Derek. I’d heard of the act but didn’t know there was jargon, too. LOL..I still find it funny, butt huffing. It brings to mind someone cupping a paper bag filled with airplane glue around their anus and trying to ‘inhale.’

    JC..have you noticed that you are the only one on this thread intent on taking personal swipes in every post? Most of us have laughed you off, or just ignored you, but that hasn’t deterred you. It’s like you’re hoping to start a flame war but no one takes you seriously enough to give you the satisfaction. Sad horns.

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    Hypnotoad
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    I’m just going to say one thing and then I’m not going to comment any further:

    Cupcakes!

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    JC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    @ sarcasatire – Would you say the same thing about Bush? He was regularly depicted as a chimp, monkey, Hitler, vampire, plantation owner… you name it. If your looking for racism you’ll find it, whether it’s there, or not. I agree, Trump is an ass. You have to admit, though, that he’s an ass that gets results.

    @ sarcasatire – You get drunk faster, but you won’t pass a breathalyser. Either way you ingest it, alcohol is distributed through your circulatory system, including your lungs. It takes longer to go through your digestive system as opposed to being absorbed directly through your intestinal wall.

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    Hypnotoad
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Okay, for reals, though: I think the whole “birther” debate goes beyond racism and enters xenophobia. If our President’s name was Benjamin Henry Oscar, I don’t think the “birther” debate would exist. But since he’s got not one, but two (TWO!) of those scary Muslim names, we should all be suspicious! Suspicious!

    Annnnnddddd I’m out. I’d rather talk about Desperate Housewives, y’all, where we keep the conversation safe and only argue about how ugly the babies are.

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    2Hyper
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Now we are nitpicking every statement someone types to dispute it and calling it a debate…okay now I am aware of the rules of debating, I will play along.

    @sarcastire: technically you can’t start a flame war thru typed words
    @Derek Hazelton: that was just in poor taste to type the word ‘butt’
    @2Hyper: JC did not comment on every person’s statements, only certain people.

    ..isn’t debating fun! LOL! My comebacks are not so witty, I am still an amateur at this form of debate. I’m sure I will get better as I practice. Great to know I’ve got such a great mentor.

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    sarcasatire
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    JC, all asses get results. Especially since their main job is to spew shit.

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    JC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    @ sarcasatire – I’m the “only” one? If I bother you that much why do you continue to talk to me? If you want the ‘last word’, I’ll give it to you. Just say so. No reason for you to relish in your misery. You know, most of the people I interact with on the internet would probably make good friends IRL. You, however, I’m not so sure about. You seem like the type of person, if we were at a party and having a debate, would throw their drink in my face. You have no argument you can express, so you end an enjoyable debate and waste perfectly good alcohol. You are what’s wrong with America.

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    BOOLAND
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    I mean hes the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES – THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY ON THE PLANET!!!! Im SURE the FBI pulled hair samples, teeth samples, blood samples….and US BIRTH RIGHTS!!!!

    helping make history

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    2Hyper
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    @Hynotoad: I would love to talk about Desperate Housewives but sadly havent seen a new episode since the tornado, or was is a mass riot, or a hurricane. Fairfield, well to be specific, Wisteria Lane have more natural disasters in a year than most countries in a century. I had to let Desperate Housewives go the same path as Grey’s Anatomy to make room on the DVR for such riveting television like the Braxtons Family Values. Tamar is realityTVgold.com

    Suprisingly, the husband does not miss an episode but would never admit that he even watches the show.

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    Hypnotoad
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    2Hyper — get off the computer, have him read the recap and comment!

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    2Hyper
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    JC – you are good! You got all that from some comments typed on a blog.. That’s a serious talent you got there. Personal readings interpreted through blog comments.

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    JC
    Posted April 28, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    @ Hypnotoad – You racist, homophobic jerk! I suffered cupcake abuse as a child and as an adult, and will probably continue to be abused for the foreseeable future. To me, cupcakes represent an insurmountable challenge from which I can never recover. Except for those dancing cupcakes which so many people called racist. Those are absolutely adorable.

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     Hypnotoad
     Posted April 28, 2011 at 5:04 pm

     @JC – At least your abuse was tasty and delicious.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted April 28, 2011 at 5:06 pm

     Haha! JC, you don’t bother me..which is why I didn’t comment to you way upthread when you took my “my school records will be released shortly” joke and turned it into an insult about no one caring about me. I wasn’t even offended..and I’m not now. (Even though you painted a completely inaccurate picture of me, like I would waste good alcohol!) I just thought maybe you would catch on that no one is engaging you with insults so perhaps you should try another tactic?

     Also, I don’t debate at parties. Too busy doing keg stands with my rectum.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted April 28, 2011 at 5:09 pm

     Wait..I missed comment #100, it was only at 94 when i was posting. So here goes..

     TRUMP IS AN ASS!!

     @LAC: I just realized, Trump isn’t turning orange from a spray tan. He’s trying to turn himself gold!

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     sarcasatire
     Posted April 28, 2011 at 5:20 pm

     I just looked up “cupcake” on Urban Dictionary and it says: When someone cups their hand over their ass when they fart and throw the now handheld fart in your face.

     Aww, now I see why JC is so angry. He suffered cupcake abuse. Sad horns.

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     Angela Parisi LaRoe
     Posted April 28, 2011 at 5:53 pm

     @sarcasatire-He is trying to “Live The Gold Life” with the people from the Australian Gold challenge on The Celebrity Apprentice. That is why he is so orange/gold.

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     Libithina
     Posted April 28, 2011 at 6:14 pm

     @Hypno, June 14th mah friehnd, then lil piggy cupcakes and schemes!

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     Hypnotoad
     Posted April 28, 2011 at 6:21 pm

     @Libithina: Trump’s shoving his birther claims down America’s throat just like Hanna shoved those cupcakes down hers. Later, bitches. – A.

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     cattyfan
     Posted April 28, 2011 at 6:43 pm

     2Hyper…you asked if my opinion was changed by the release of the birth certificate. If you’re asking did I believe he wasn’t a citizen, I was NEVER in that camp. So the release of the certificate didn’t have a bearing on that part of my opinion.

     itchy said, “What you are demanding, in fact, is the sort of invasion of privacy that should make any self-respecting American — indeed any person who believes in the principles of liberty, democracy and justice — shudder in absolute horror.”

     The release of the records I’ve mentioned is STANDARD PROCEDURE for the men and women who want to lead this country, and has been for decades. It is interesting that Obama has declined to be forthright with that type of information. Especially since things like his senior thesis isn’t classified…nor would anything he had written for the law journal for which he worked while in college. Yet there seem to be no examples of his writing available.

     I would never view your children as “second class.” I also would never want the constitution changed to accomodate a foreign born citizen to be president. I cringe at the thought of President Terminator.

     Lastly…Trump is a gold-plated ass.

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     PlathAddict
     Posted April 28, 2011 at 6:57 pm

     But, we are missing the important issue here: When will we get to see Nene choke out Donald Trump? We all know it’s coming. She can’t be on a reality show and not choke somebody out. And since Latoya and Dionne are gone, who’s left?

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     Rebecca Fialkowski
     Posted April 28, 2011 at 9:00 pm

     Nads u must be do excited! Ur last podcast u all were talking about how many comments – well Girl I believe this post of yours ranks as one of the top 5? congrats!

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     sarcasatire
     Posted April 28, 2011 at 9:33 pm

     Nads, I forgot to tell you how much I cracked up at you saying you lied about your weight on your birth certificate! I think my State ID gets renewed this year and I just may do the same. (Shhh…it’s a secret.)

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     LAC
     Posted April 28, 2011 at 9:42 pm

     Catfy, the day you can show that previous presidential candidates
     had to show their a school papers and transcripts, you just sound like a desperate birther. Just admit you are not a fan and move on please.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted April 28, 2011 at 9:51 pm

     Red, White, and Blue, be damned. You know who isn’t an American citizen? Superman!

     http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/04/28/superman-renounces-citizenship-00th-issue/?test=faces

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     Robinez
     Posted April 28, 2011 at 10:39 pm

     Many Presidential biography’s actually do have school transcripts and other incidental’s. We used to have an official biographer with each administration for the sole purpose of establishing a record of the President’s day to day calendar. Although I think George Washington had a publicist when the cherry tree story came out..

     Being the President of the United States is a part of our history. We are a young country and need all the history we can get. Some folks may say that it is none of our buisness. Whatever he want’s to share with us should be good enough. I disagree. Put aside the fact that he “doesn’t have to” ..he is a historical figure in our country and those blanks that are there need to be filled.

     TC, Robin

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     itchy
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 12:43 am

     No, Robin, this is just morbid curiosity from a celebrity-obsessed culture.

     We’ve already had the Salem witch trials, we’ve survived the McCarthy era, we don’t really need a new witchhunt in order to construct our ‘history.’

     But we’re hitting a new low here, I feel. These birther people and their supporters will stop at nothing until they’ve completely degraded not only the political process but Constitution and its institutions. They’re treacherous, dangerous people.

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     Nads
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 1:01 am

     @sarcasatire – Ha! Thanks. I laughed thinking about an insecure baby lying about her weight while writing it. I could just imagine…

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     Robinez
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 2:00 am

     Yeah..um..ok. I have never birthed so I don’t know..and by birther supporters.. is that the person that got the birther in trouble in the first place? treacherous indeed!

     OK celebrity obsessed culture! I am awake at 4;30 am after taking a nap today to make sure I was awake. My gf/neighbor is here. We have the TV on, we have royal blue snuggies and are drinking bloody Mary’s.

     The reason for the bloody Mary’s is because it is an acceptable drink early in the morning and it also is historically correct. Queen Mary was Henry VIII daughter and she was known as bloody Mary. Very interesting story.

     Who am I kidding! We just like vodka and tomatoe juice. With celery as a snack.lol

     TC, Robin

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     classy drunk
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 7:07 am

     Well there were still no good conspiracy theories…

     I still don’t think that a piece of paper will move those that didn’t believe in the first place. Either you believe him or you don’t.

     I am actually waiting on him to release his 3rd grade Easter speech that will truly tell us whether this man is ready to lead or not.

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     cattyfan
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 8:09 am

     I don’t know why asking for information automatically makes some a “racist” or a “birther” (even when the person asking for information – in this case me – NEVER QUESTIONED THE PERSIDENT’S BIRTH,) however, I thought I would post a few links to take you to the health records of previous presidents. (you’ll have to close the gaps to make the links work.)

     George Bush (the elder) http://www.doctorzebra. com/prez/g41.htm

     George Bush (the younger) http://www.doctorzebra.com /prez/g43.htm

     In fact, this particular website details the health records of all the presidents…except Obama. His is just a cursory overview. It’s noted that instead of opening his lifetime records as the previous occupants of the White House was done, he merely submitted a singular page to cover 21 years of his life. It glosses over his chain smoking, and never mentions his drug use (which he has admitted) at all.

     Here is a link to SAT scores and some college grades for Bush, Gore, and Kerry.

     www. insidepolitics.org /heard/heard32300.html

     And here is an article about Biden’s plagiarism in which it says Biden requested a review of his records before they were released.

     www. nytimes.com /1987/09/17/us/biden-was-accused-of-plagiarism-in-law-school.html

     It’s fairly obvious with a little research that the request for, and subsequent release of, records is expected, and has been done so in the past by candidates with little or no fuss. In the early years of this country, politicians proudly released their writings from the time prior to their elections. They used their positions in those papers to help campaign for election. Of course people like Thomas Jefferson and John Adams (and others like them) didn’t change positions dependent on which way the wind was blowing, so they weren’t embarrassed by their pasts.

     As for those who say, “Well, Obama went to Harvard. That proves he’s smart.”…many of you are the same people who denigrate George W. Bush, who graduated from Yale and Harvard.

     I have never denied that I have no respect for Obama…but it has nothing to do with his race. His policies, from the time he was first elected to office in Illinois (where I used to live) are the most liberal of any politician serving. (Although most of the time when serving the state he didn’t bother backing his own professed beliefs, choosing instead to simply vote present. ) His voting record is remarkably similar to the very white John Kerry…another politician I loathe based on his politics.

     I don’t know why liberals have so much trouble separating race from the issues.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 10:24 am

     My good friend just posted this video on facebook. As is mentioned above, it is naive, at best, to deny that there are racial undertones in asking Obama to provide eligibility for presidency..3 years after he’s been in office.

     So let’s see how Goldie Taylor, editor at TheGrio.com and guest on the Rachel Maddow Show, articulately explains the historic and cultural significance of asking a Black man to “show us his papers.”

     http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/27/6547023-why-obama-shouldnt-have-had-to-show-his-papers-full-version

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     sarcasatire
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 10:29 am

     Taylor also calls out Trump for his recent antics. (Now, I won’t expect Birthers to watch this video..because they might learn something.) But for the rest of us, Taylor is giving examples and a well thought out argument that confirms what we’ve been saying all along.

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     vallegirl
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 10:32 am

     @cattyfan – There’s this concept in the American private education system called “legacies” where rich white families can send their rich white spawn, regardless of their fecklessness to prestigious schools, merely by being a rich alumnus.

     But when the biracial son of a working class family manages not only to get accepted into Harvard Law School but become the editor of the Law Review as well as graduate with highest honors, that does say something about his intelligence. Just as it would say similar things about a Bush if any of them were ever to achieve similar accolades.

     Obama didn’t just go to Harvard, he distinguished himself as one of the best and brightest of his class. To say it was all “affirmative action” is coded, racist language.

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     vallegirl
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 10:34 am

     FYI – I’m saying Trump is the racist, not anyone here.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 11:01 am

     @Vallegirl, well said. Taylor brings up Trumps ‘affirmative action’ implications in the video. Meanwhile the irony has not escaped us that the access that Trump was given as a student and businessman was based solely on the wealth of his parents and not on his merit alone. Except for when his ass was shipped off to military school. I’m sure he earned that.

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     classy drunk
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 11:50 am

     @Catty, because when you live in the heart of the red states (Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana) there’s not much that separates race from the issues. We have moved forward but I myself am only one generation removed from Jim Crow laws.

     Those people are birthers because it is quite far fetched to think that the Federal government couldn’t properly vet the commander in chief. If the Feds needed the long form birth certificate as further proof that he was born in the states that request would have been made years ago. So in turn I think that those people are foolish and a waste of time. There are many other issues that could have been addressed during the 2010 elections and still people continued to harp on this.

     I can respect wanting to see certain documents about the President. But it could also be in his records that he was accepted based on affirmative action and he would then have another frivolous issue he would have to explain since he was able to show that he was one of the best students in his class. His accomplishment of Magna Cum Laude and his position of editor of the Harvard Law Review would be over shadowed by the thought he was “given” the slot in the class over some other white student.

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     LAC
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 12:38 pm

     Catty – wow, you really don’t get it, do you?

     article on the 2008 presidential candidates’ health:

     http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/30/nation/na-obama30

     the President’s last medical exam (this is a link from -gasp!- Fox News)
     http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/POTUS_EXAM.pdf

     Oh, and yes his blood is human, not Vulcan.

     Now granted, it is not the definitive answer – Like a site composed by someone with time on their hands, calling themselves “Dr. Zebra” – but it does appear that Obama did have medical exams and the results were made public. Interesting that Hilary Clinton did not have anything on that site, either. She was a candidate too.

     Okay, so the medical stuff is done – he was a healthy 40 something male with nothing abnormal going on. End of story. Now, I guess the recreational drug use in his youth thing is relevant only to you. I don’t seem to recall any lenghty treatises on the health of Bush, but something tells me it was pretty much like Obama – a regular, middle aged guy who exercises. He too did some drugs and drank, but also got past it.

     Of course someone like Thomas Jefferson or a James Madison would have some amazing writings – founding fathers often do. I do not recall any amazing college writings by Ronald Reagan, or either of the Bushes. And more importantly, I didn’t see anyone get their snout out of joint about the need to produce “papers”. Of course, there is a Presidental Library to do that – but we will have to wait until his service is over to see what will be placed there.

     The real question you should be asking is why are people like you incapable of accepting his academic accomplishments and cast aspersions as to his merit? What is it about Barack Obama that makes it impossible for you to believe that he could graduate with honors from a demanding law school and be editor of the Harvard Review? Why is that so hard for you to believe? It is not just “liberals” who are probably looking at your comments and wondering who really might have a race problem.

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     cattyfan
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 1:16 pm

     The website of “Dr. Zebra” is well footnoted for its sources…and only contains the records of people actually elected president.

     “Now, I guess the recreational drug use in his youth thing is relevant only to you. I don’t seem to recall any lenghty treatises on the health of Bush, but something tells me it was pretty much like Obama – a regular, middle aged guy who exercises. He too did some drugs and drank, but also got past it.” Bush’s drug use is NOTED on his page.

     Apparently people who look askance at anyone who has the audacity to ddislike or queestion Obama will never understand disliking someone based on their policies and politics. it has nothing to do with race. For example, from what I’ve seen of him so far, Representative Allen West impresses me greatly…and it has nothing to do with his skin color. And I’m betting that many people here don’t like him at all…but those who don’t like him will say it isn’t because he’s black.

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     cattyfan
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 1:19 pm

     “What is it about Barack Obama that makes it impossible for you to believe that he could graduate with honors from a demanding law school and be editor of the Harvard Review? Why is that so hard for you to believe?”

     I’m not asking because I “don’t believe” he graduated with honors. Classes he chose to take and things he may have included in his senior thesis would give a more honest picture of who Obama was then…and who he likely is now (as opposed to the image he has so very carefully crafted.)

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     NotWithoutMyTV
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 2:54 pm

     Alright, listen up, all of you birthers, racists, conspiracy nutz, apologists, flambe artists, and general liberal whingers: you don’t know a thing about real racial discrimination. Not a thing. I do. I’ve been trying to break into hip hop for YEARS. I’ve got dope rhymes like you’ve never heard. Beatz that will stand you on your head, mofos. And nobody in the business will take me seriously, because I’M A WHITE BOY. That’s right. I’ve been racially discriminated against MY WHOLE LIFE. My dreams are IMPOSSIBLE because of my skin color and society’s small, closed mind. I got birth certificates coming out of my ass, short form, long form, notarized, denotarized, in triplicate, laminated. Doesn’t do any good. I can be president of the United States any old time I want, but they won’t let me rock the mic.

     There, now you know real pain. SO MAKE UP A CLEVER LITTLE NAME FOR ME, and go ahead and laugh. But having posted my situation to the Internet, I know the world has already moved toward a state of Blazing Caucasion Get Down-ness.

     Peace out, my brothers.

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     LAC
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 3:03 pm

     NotwithoutmyTV – sorry, but you know tha rulez – until Eminem steps down, we cannot have all ya white boyz crowding things. One at a time, mah brotha, one at a time… don’t be putting all our secrets out in the street….DAYUMMM!!!

     ^ peace!

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     sarcasatire
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 4:18 pm

     LOL @ LAC and NWMTV! Sorry, NWMTV.. Now, if you want to enter the rap world through affirmative action, I may be able to help you. But you have to be quick, we have a quota. And since we had to let in Chet Haze, being Tom Hank’s son and all, we only have one more space available. So, hurry up and pass me that dutch – er, demo.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 4:43 pm

     “It’s so sad that someone like Trump can run for President while Obama is still running for Resident.” – HecticDetours (Gawker)

     HAHAHA!! It seems things have calmed down here so hopefully we can crack jokes and share witty commentary, like this one that tickled me to no end!

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     Angela Parisi LaRoe
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 7:05 pm

     I learned from this thread that Trump has his wealth from his parents. I never really cared enough to research him but it is interesting to know now. Thanks @sarcasatire! (I know it sounds sarcastic but it really isn’t. I promise. )

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     Rebecca Fialkowski
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 9:35 pm

     @sarcasatire – Thank you for the link to the maddow blog! WOW! powerful and so true! I immediately posted to my facebook page- really makes one stop and think.

     Trump is an ASS!

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     Robinez
     Posted April 29, 2011 at 10:35 pm

     Yes, It really makes one stop and think.

     TC, Robin

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     Rebecca Fialkowski
     Posted April 30, 2011 at 11:22 am

     @sarcasatire – i posted you maddow link on twitter to @therealdonaldtrump – its exploding! hopefully its a start to making people stop and think! altho i dont think trump will ever think before he speaks – but maybe others watching will!

     TRUMP IS AN ASS!

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     Rebecca Fialkowski
     Posted April 30, 2011 at 11:24 am

     Sorry his twitter link is @realdonaldtrump no the in front of the name.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted April 30, 2011 at 11:29 am

     @Rebecca, wow!! What’s happening over there? I don’t have Twitter so I don’t think I could access it, could I? I’m curious what’s being said. Thanks for reposting it!

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     Rebecca Fialkowski
     Posted April 30, 2011 at 1:08 pm

     my followers are just retweeting (reposting) my tweet (post) with the link and also in their tweet (post) making sure to put @realdonaldtrump – so he is sure to see how upset we all are!

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     Rebecca Fialkowski
     Posted April 30, 2011 at 1:10 pm

     that last comment was for @sarcsatire also yes you can access twitter – just go to http://www.twitter.com

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     sarcasatire
     Posted April 30, 2011 at 7:49 pm

     Anyone watching the White House Correspondent’s dinner? Trump is there, invited by the washington Post to sit at their table!

     Obama stood up to speak and addressed the crowd with a grin, “Hello, my *fellow” Americans..” which got a laugh. Obama acknowledged that many people are not accepting his birth certificate as proof of his citizenship, so he decided to show his live birth on TV for the first time. It was the opening scene of the Lion King! HAHAHAHA!!!!!

     Gotta love a man that can see the humor in all of this..

     Thanks for the Twitter link, Rebecca! Trump is getting served on Twitter and roasted at the dinner. He hasn’t cracked a smile once while the whole room is laughing at him, lol. Seth Meyers was great!

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     JC
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 12:31 am

     @ itchy – You’re comparing asking for a birth certificate to the Salem trials and HUAC? My first thought was that you’re being disingenuous, but then the rest of your comment reveals you to be ignorant of our history.

     @ cattyfan – How dare you present facts which contradict with the consensus of those who disagree with you. They insist you must submit to the establishment.

     @ sarcasatire – Pointing to a video that Maddow posted, to prove your point, would be like someone posting a video that Beck posted. Everyone knows that Maddow is as extremely on the left as Beck is on the right. You’re as guilty as those you accuse.

     @ vallegirl – You sound like a racist, yourself. White people can only achieve because they’re from rich families, and we know that all white people are rich. Right? I’m sure you can explain the rest of the “coded” language to us. Apparently, everyone speaks in “code”, now. I wish I had the special decoder ring that you have which would allow me to understand the meaning behind the statements.

     @ LAC – I don’t think the problem is with the questions. We are the people who elect our lawgivers. The problem is that the lawgivers don’t think they need to answer to us once they are elected. The president is not royalty. We don’t bow to him. He’s one of us. Answer the questions and move on. Also, the founders aren’t deities. We can respect them and honor them, but they are not perfect examples of humanity. Every president has faced the same amount of scrutiny and ridicule. Several times, Lincoln was represented as a chimp in the popular press.

     @ NotWithoutMyTV – Did you just try to prove that there’s racism by acting how you think a black person would talk? That’s… weird. I… I… I want to kiss you, right now and I don’t care who’s watching. Even if it’s your mom. Actually, I’d prefer it if your mom was there. You think she could do more than watch…?

     @ Rebecca Fialkowski – Yeah, it made me stop and think, too. It made me think- “Look how many suckers fall for the same old gag line.” How do you make the “L” sign in text? Oh… I just did.

     @ sarcasatire – Everyone got roasted at that correspondent’s dinner, not just Trump. Seth Myers was very funny. He skewered every prominent politician in the room. The way a good fool does.

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     itchy
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 1:00 am

     JC, I suggest you be very careful who you call ‘ignorant.’ Insulting people is not the same as a rebuttal and cannot in any way be considered an intelligent argument. Your insults place your own commentary and opinions into proper perspective. Not a very flattering perspective for you, I’m afraid.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 1:34 am

     If anything, JC just showed us how ‘seriously’ to take his posts in the future.

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     JC
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 2:24 am

     @ itchy – Why should I be “very careful” about who I call ignorant? I’m assuming you know what the definition is and how to use it properly in a sentence. I think it’s fair to say that suggesting you are ignorant is not an insult except by your own understanding of the word. For your information, the truth doesn’t need flattery, it is what it is. Let’s remember, you are the one who compared a birth certificate request to the the Salem trials. That’s what I would call “ignorant”.

     @ sarcasatire – You assume to speak for everyone? Or, is “us” a “code word” for everyone who agrees with you? I suppose it’s easy for you to share your opinion when you believe everyone agrees with it. I could say that if anything, sarcasatire just showed us how easy it is to prove yourself a fool in public. You could protest, you might have others rally to your defense, but to us, you’re still a fool.

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     J-Mo
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 2:28 am

     Here are some pictures I took of some drag queens in evening gowns last weekend:

     http://s870.photobucket.com/albums/ab268/J-Mo3/Miss%20Gay%20Continental%20Plus%202011/01%20Preliminary%20Gown%20Competition/

     …and here they are in swimsuits!…

     http://s870.photobucket.com/albums/ab268/J-Mo3/Miss%20Gay%20Continental%20Plus%202011/02%20Preliminary%20Swimsuit%20Competition/

     …and here they are dancing with feather-fans and hot guys…

     http://s870.photobucket.com/albums/ab268/J-Mo3/Miss%20Gay%20Continental%20Plus%202011/03%20Preliminary%20Talent%20Competition/

     love, J-Mo

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 2:41 am

     A fool. Ha! As Itchy said, an insult is not a rebuttal. It only proves the weakness of your argument. Now, when you can argue your points without resorting to namecalling, then maybe you will be taken seriously.

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     itchy
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 2:44 am

     You should be very very careful. If only because you’re only revealing your own ignorance. If nothing else you’re revealing your ignorance as to who I am and what I know.

     But do go on, by all means. There’s nothing on tv right now anyway.

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     vallegirl
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 7:27 am

     @JC – As a white person I often do offend myself with my anti-white racism.

     Or maybe, if you read the the entire post, and not just the part that you wanted to be offended by, you’d see that I said that IF a Bush offspring had achieved what Obama achieved at Harvard Law it would indicate that regardless of how he was accepted he had earned his place at that prestigious school.

     But thanks for being so thoguhtful in your debating style. I do appreciate being called a racist first thing on Sunday. It just starts my day with a smile.

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     Angela Parisi LaRoe
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 9:24 am

     @vallegirl-Doesn’t it make you feel that you are complete now? Being called something you aren’t just make your life brighter.

     I wish this could be an intelligent conversation without the insults. You guys both have strong points of view and it was going pretty nice until insults started to fly. At least it isn’t as bad as some of the other wars we have had on here.

     You guys have given me plenty to think about and so, I thank you. Please try to be nice. I know that it sounds dumb but I hate when people have wars anywhere on TVGasm because I like everyone on here. Thank you guys.

     (Don’t shoot me please! I wasn’t pandering to one side.)

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     Fan-Ann
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 11:57 am

     Just yesterday I was on the gasm laughing about the hats at the royal wedding. Then I saw all the above and just feel sad. Because I like to think of all of you that I don’t know as my friends. I fantasize that if I get to go to France someday, that my friend itchy will maybe give me advice; that snootchy will do the same for England, etc. There are so many of you who are incredibly smart, witty, well-read. I bought a David Sedaris book because of vallegirl, I watch the ass monkey Marcel’s show just because NWMTV is recapping it now and I want to understand. I wish I knew J-Mo’s friends so that maybe I could get some make-up and dressing tips. So, like Angela, I hope that civility will prevail. I enjoy learning from all of you, and my mother was right when she said never discuss politics or religion.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 1:00 pm

     It’s funny, Fan-ann, because I’m not sure religion and political debates are what causes conflict on the threads. Sure, people feel very strongly about their viewpoints and will debate with others who do not, but even that seems to be done civilly most of the time. There are 150+ comments here and very little flaming done. It wasn’t until JC showed up and called vallegirl a racist, called itchy ignorant, made lewd comment about NotwithoutmyTv’s mother, insulted LAC, and ridiculed others, that this thread started to go downhill.

     One bad apple..

     Aside from that, this was a spirited debate with plenty of wit and humor interspersed throughout. I don’t think there are hard feelings because we may find ourselves on different sides of the issue. I mean, unless you side with Trump.

     Anyway, Fan-Ann, let me know when you’re visiting France and I’ll come along. I’ve always wanted to see the inside of a 16th century farmhouse. “Itchy, you’ve got visitors!”

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     itchy
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 1:46 pm

     Sorry, Sarc, our farmhouse is only from the 19th century. Well, part of it is older. That’s the part with the dirt floor. You all are welcome to sleep there, with the bats and the sparrows and this season’s stray cats. Except JC, of course.

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     Angela Parisi LaRoe
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 2:19 pm

     @Fan-Ann: If you ever come to the Adirondacks in New York, let me know and we can chill. I would be honored.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 2:24 pm

     @Itchy..sounds cozy!

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     thiajok
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 2:56 pm

     I do think President Obama has a wicked sense of humor. And didn’t he recently have the marching band play Springsteen’s “Born In The U.S.A” instead of “Hail To The Chief”? That’s comedy.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 4:29 pm

     @thiajok: At last night’s correspondent’s dinner, Obama went a step further and his intro was to the song, “I’m A Real American”. I know who’s a WWF fan!

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     classy drunk
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 5:40 pm

     @thajok, I am glad to see you here. I was concerned that the storms got you.

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     Robinez
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 6:09 pm

     In as much as JC’s post may have been offensive to many, it was just JC stating JC’s opinion. You can agree or disagree and of course it is within your right to post your opposing view. This is called a discussion.

     What I find more distasteful than anything is the gang mentality that sometime’s rears it’s head here. I have read worse, in my opinion, from some poster’s here and it barely get’s a blip on the radar of other’s, and if it does it is glossed over or tippy toed around. There are certain subjects here that are verbotten unless it is posted by certain member’s of tvgasm. If the same thing was said by some then it is a free for all against the poster instead of correctly addressing the subject matter. And, before you say it, I know that personal attacks are something different entirely. That said, I still see a distinct seperation between what was said and what the response is depending who the poster is.

     I personally think Obama is in over his head and I would prefer if he wasn’t the president. Is it because he is black? No, and I dare anyone to say that to my face. I think the white part of him shouldn’t be president either.( I didn’t bring up race, it was mentioned here) I think he is too inexperienced and I would have liked to see him run more yrs down the road when he would have been better prepared. I wanted to say that earlier on a different thread but held back because I didn’t want the backlash. I am ashamed that I was worried about it., to be honest. I guess that after 4 yrs here I just want to log in, read, LOL, enjoy now, and not worry whether or not something that I said may have caused a shit-storm without even trying. heh..

     Y’all Take Care. Robin

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     Derek Hazelton
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 6:36 pm

     @ Robinez, I think the point is that it’s irrelevant if Obama is or isn’t over his head, but that he was born in the US. There’s a birth certificate, a certificate of live birth, et al, so the Birther debate should be dead/buried.

     His qualifications are what they are, but his term as President has been mired in some mistakes. He has alienated the gay community, for one, alienated many in the Black community, and panders to the Republican party and squandered 60 Democrats in the Senate during the first two years of his Presidency.

     All that being said, we can question the President’s actions, but it’s clear and proven he was born in the United States.

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     cattyfan
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 6:59 pm

     Actually, sarcasatire, I’ve been called a racist on this thread, if not outright, then it was certainly rather obviously inferred. the difference is I’ve tried to not return fire on the name-calling.

     Hopefully we can all go back to discussing more entertaining topics soon…like Survivor and Amazing Race.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 8:27 pm

     Obama killed Bin Laden! Can you say “Two Term President?”

     Oh, and then he interrupted the last 15 minutes of Celebrity Apprentice to tell us about it. Obama only did it to exert a bit of power over Mr. Trump, he won’t actually come out and speak until those 15 minutes are over. HA!!

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     mommy2bree
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 8:32 pm

     Got this from a friend on FB, and I couldn’t resist sharing it….

     When the President gives his press conference, he should start out by saying, “I am very proud of myself today. Today, I did something no one else has been able to do…”

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 8:38 pm

     New conspiracy alert!! “Of course, Obama was able to find Bin Laden. He used his Islamic connections. His uncles.”

     In 3, 2, 1… (you all know it’s just a matter of time before someone says it..)

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     Fan-Ann
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 9:07 pm

     On twitter there was a great post: Bin Laden was killed when a photon torpedo was fired into a vent leading to the reactor core of the Death Star. Works for me!

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 9:10 pm

     Aide: “Mr. Trump, Obama has just announced that he killed Bin Laden.”
     Trump: “I wanna see the receipts.”

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 9:31 pm

     Alls I know is Obama better not wait three years to show us Bin Laden’s long form death certificate.

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     cattyfan
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 9:33 pm

     Bin Laden getting what he deserved was a group effort. First and foremost, our military deserves accolades. They are the ones doing the work and taking the risks, and they can never be thanked enough.

     Obama is head of the military, and ultimately makes the calls for the scenarios presented by those who know the details and have all the facts…so he, too, gets congratulations.

     And spokespeople from the White House have already released a statement in which they acknowledge that the basis for what was done which finally gave us today’s outcome was begun by George Bush…so Bush also gets praise.

     An all around job well done.

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     Robinez
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 9:35 pm

     The President did not kill Bin Laden. I think he would agree with me.

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     thiajok
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 9:39 pm

     @Classy–thanks about the storms–it was a close call and the damned things bounced all around us but we’re okay. Unfortunately the county next to ours isn’t and neither is the state next to ours. Please donate to relief efforts if the Haitian earthquake and Japanese tsunami hasn’t strapped everyone.

     @Sarcas: Hell yeah, Prez O has just won the next four years! High five, baby! I don’t know why it took 2 wars anyway since Special Ops got it down in less than one four year term with no casualties other than the obvious one.

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 9:40 pm

     “The President did not kill Bin Laden.” Oh, you mean Bush? Well, you’re right about that. But like I do with my toddler, I am tempted to give him a sticker for his effort.

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     thiajok
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 9:44 pm

     Flipit, you know you’re never going to be able to lock this one down. Right? Maybe J-Mo should start posting tranny links again in 3…2…1…

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     J-Mo
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 10:32 pm

     As requested, here are some more pictures of large drag queens in evening gowns…

     http://s870.photobucket.com/albums/ab268/J-Mo3/Miss%20Gay%20Continental%20Plus%202011/04%20Final%20Gown%20Competition/

     love, J-Mo

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     sarcasatire
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 10:45 pm

     I hope this thread stays open forever. I’m having too much fun. There was just so much fodder given to us over the past week and laughter really is the best medicine.

     I’m hoping one of Trump’s maids has an account on TVgasm and can give us a play-by-play of what’s happening in his penthouse right now. Is he smashing gold figurines while cursing Obama’s name? Or maybe he’s petting his toupee and whispering, “I’ll get you next time, Gadget. Next time!”

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     thiajok
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 11:25 pm

     I would pick the gal in the silver dress and the gal in the red dress. I thought I saw names initially but then couldn’t find them. But it’s after 1:00 a.m. and I’m sleepy but still hyped up because I missed the last ten minutes of Celebrity Apprentice, then was immediately over it because I knew my party had the next election sewed up. I’m a physical and emotional cacophony right now, basically.

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     itchy
     Posted May 1, 2011 at 11:59 pm

     Man, I was sleeping peacefully last night when all of a sudden I was woken up by all these weird popping noises. Now I know what those noises were — the sounds of Republican brains exploding…

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     thiajok
     Posted May 2, 2011 at 9:45 am

     The aforementioned Correspondents’ Dinner version of “Hail To The Chief”. C’mon, this guy is funny. Even Bush made me laugh occasionally, although not as much as Stephen Colbert did the year he hosted the WHCD.

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     LAC
     Posted May 4, 2011 at 12:15 pm

     @itchy – LOL!! Well, they would explode – they have to explain how this event is the previous administration’s accomplishment and yet the economic mess was not. And they will try…Lord knows they will try.

     That must have been something at the White House – looking at the real time unfolding of this raid and making decisions. Bravo, Mr. President!

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     plockeness monster
     Posted May 5, 2011 at 2:31 pm

     Looks like I have been reading the wrong posts!!

     YAY AMERICA!

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     crazy rooster
     Posted May 6, 2011 at 10:35 am

     oh J-MO, I love you! Now, enough for politics. Who wants to talk some religion?

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     thiajok
     Posted May 6, 2011 at 4:24 pm

     LOL @ Itchy and LAC. LAC, you’re right–that’s going to be some feat to pull off.