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Well. My goodness. This was a darn good hour of TV. Word on the street is that the second episode of Lost this season was a letdown after the awesome premiere. I wouldn’t know firsthand because Adelphia decided to go on the fritz last Wednesday. I went into an inconsolable rage. KAT SMASH CABLE!
So I guess this episode was my reward. Locke got all the flashbacks, so we all settled in with the tissues and vodka, because Locke has one sad backstory. Also, to all the people who complain about the plot not advancing quickly enough? This episode is a love letter to you.
We open up right where we left off (I think, anyway; maybe Adelphia could let me know for sure), with Sawyer, Michael and Jin on the beach panicking. And rightly so, I guess, since some guy walks up and starts beating the living crap out of them. And I must say, this is an interesting choice of an actor for this character. Are they doing some sort of noble savage thing? They get the darkest skinned guy they can find and take his shirt off and put armbands on him instead? Is he a warrior from Deepest Darkest Africa? Everyone else in his group was wearing western clothing, so why would he go all native? Also, he hardly has any, which makes him an “other” like the anthropologist Edward Said talked about occurring in books like “Heart of Darkness” – ooo, I think I just made up a new Lost theory. “The Others” as a manifestation of our fears and stereotypes of the unknown. I’m gonna pat myself on the back for remembering that from high school.
We can’t know for sure yet whether he’s a fellow passenger or one of The Others, but either way he’s obviously nutso and violent. But I know the people behind this show are too smart not to have thought about their casting choices, so I have to think they know what they’re doing…Or maybe I’m just overthinking it. Too many years on the West Coast.
Back down in the hatch, we get the same scene they’ve aired twice already, where Desmond threatens to kill Locke and Jack gets all pissy about it. I guess it’s a good way to segue into our first flashback – Locke with hair! He’s in a therapy group and some girl is complaining about her mom stealing her money for alcohol. Locke has no patience for everyone else’s sob stories, and really, he’s right – his long lost father steals his kidney and disappears again? Locke wins, hands down. His outburst here has a pleasing side effect, though. Katey Sagal wants to jump him now. Hi, Mrs. Bundy!
She pretty much lays it all out there, telling him that she can’t tell off people like he did because “once I get all hot and bothered there’s no stopping me.” Woo hoo! What would Al say? Looks like she wasn’t lying, either. In the next flashback, they’ve already bumped uglies. And oh yeah, her name is Helen, which is a sneaky trick the writers pulled on us, since Helen was also the name of the phone-sex operator Locke tried to go to Australia with last season. I watched that old episode again to listen to that Helen’s voice and compare. Definitely a different Helen. Did he happen to get two Helens in his life? Did he tell the phone sex chick that he wanted to call her Helen? Who knows.
So, back at the hatch, Kate is crawling around in vents and whatnot, and finally finds a cache of weapons, loads a gun, sneaks into the control room and points it at Desmond. She hits Desmond with the butt of the gun and manages to defuse the situation and disarm him. I was pretty bummed since it looks like she did something worthwhile, but then it turned out she screwed everything up! Yay! My hatred doesn’t have to end.
Desmond’s gun went off when Kate hit him and shot the computer. Desmond starts babbling about how they’re all gonna die now, and while I believe his fear, I bet he’s wrong. First of all, we’re only two episodes into the season. Second of all, I would guess that the government or whatever authority is in charge of this experiment is lying to him about his role. He keeps insisting that he has to fix it before the timer gets down to zero, then all of a sudden he’s fixated on whether or not he knows Jack. Weirdly, Jack won’t say that they’ve met. This makes Kate, and Locke especially, rather suspicious. And I can’t blame them. Why would Jack get all cagey about it if he didn’t have something to hide?
Now is the time on Sprockets when we flashback. Locke got some! Hurrah! Aw, but he’s ruining it – he won’t spend the night. He tells Helen that he can’t spend the night in strange beds, and she’s understandably upset. Of course, it’s not so much that he can’t sleep in strange beds, it more that he has to park outside his dad’s house at dawn. As you do.
This definitely has the feel of a longstanding ritual, so it’s a shock to us and Locke when his dad gets in the car. He basically tells Locke to piss off, he needs to get over it, he never wants to see him again, etc. He’s gratuitously mean, but it’s a good set up for Terry O’Quinn’s Emmy reel. The man gives good cry. However, I’m taken out of the scene just a tad by the fact that father and son are the exact same age.
Now snap out of it, we’ve got to get back to the hatch! Desmond is running around in such a panic that it’s actually pretty funny. He’s throwing things off shelves and yelling about fixing the computer. Kate gets to say what we’re all thinking when she mentions that Sayid knows all about computers. She runs off to find him, and Desmond discovers what he’s looking for. But it looks like a jar of Lego pieces to me.
OK, now’s the point in the show when the plot gets super-dense for a while. First we start with Desmond yelling about how he came to this point. Three years ago he was in a solar race around the world and crashed into the reef around the island. Desmond is getting a little unhinged here. It would be rad if Rousseau were in this scene, rolling her eyes at him and making the jerk-off motion.
Anyway, after Desmond came ashore some guy named Kelvin dragged him down the hatch and taught him all about the computer. He made Desmond believe they were saving the world every time they reset the clock. Then Kelvin “died” (hmmm, gotta think it wasn’t natural causes) and Desmond does it alone now. Jack looks pissed, and highly dubious. Locke is all wide-eyed and full of wonder. Also, good eye, all y’all who caught the bunk beds. Still have to wonder about the fancy-pants washer/dryer set, though.
Desmond tells Jack and Locke that there’s a film they can watch to get up to speed, hidden in the bookshelf behind “The Turn of the Screw” by Henry James. Any English majors out there? Who wants to take a guess about the significance of that?
The film canister has that now-ubiquitous swan logo on it, which I’m now seeing has “DHARMA” written across it. Locke and Jack settle in to watch a movie, brought to us by the Dharma Initiative. Apparently we’re at Station 3. A scientist-looking guy wants to give us a little history first. The Dharma Initiative was created in 1970 to try and create a research commune. They wanted to study electro-magnetism (the magnet in the hatch?) and zoology (here there’s footage of polar bears) and the theories of some Danish dude who gave them money. Here they have the creepiest shot ever of a guy in a building. This image is going to give me nightmares.
Basically, there were two people assigned to each station for 540 days. They were instructed to enter the code every 108 minutes, but the guy in the video doesn’t say anything about it being the key to saving the world. Obviously the tape is old, but it looks like it may have been cut in certain spots – the voice drops out occasionally. ‘We’re gonna need to watch that again,” says Locke. Amen, brother.
Ai, this is all too much for my tiny brain to take in. You know where this kind of stuff would be awesome, though? Laguna Beach. MTV should plant a hatch and some polar bears in the OC and tape the ensuing shenanigans. Luckily, we’re getting a break here with another flashback, this time at Locke and Helen’s six-month anniversary dinner. This is the sweetest scene, and knowing that it won’t end well makes it quite sad. She gives him a key to her place and tells him it’s conditional – she knows he still goes to his dad’s house, but that has to stop.
We get a passage of time in the flashback sequence. I think Locke has less hair here, and they’ve put less makeup on him. He feels his scar and decided to go stalk his dad again. Helen’s on to him, though, and pulls up behind him and takes his car keys. She tells him to take a leap of faith. Later Locke tells Jack to take a leap of faith, and it’s just like how Tony Soprano always copies Dr. Melfi’s turns of phrase. It’s much nicer when Locke does it.
Down in the prison hole, the guys’ captor has thrown someone down the hole – it’s Michelle Rodriguez! These guys have never seen her, but she was on their flight. So, does this mean he’s an Other? Are the people in his group captives? Does being around an attractive woman make Sawyer an even bigger hick? He calls Jin “the quiet Ko-rean,” their captor “Shaft,” and alludes to shooting him by saying he’ll get a “surprising little howdy-doody.” I think he learned English through a steady diet of Beverly Hillbillies reruns.
Back in the hatch, Jack is definitely not convinced. He posits that this is all one big mind game. I have to say, I pretty much agree with him at this point. Desmond’s strongest argument that this is all real is that his fillings hurt when he walks by the generator.
Although he does say that he hopes it’s fake, too, or else they’re all toast, with the system down. Jack and Desmond leave the hatch (Desmond running away, although I don’t know where he thinks he’ll escape to) and Locke stays behind and flips right out. For the first time since he landed on the island, he has no idea what to do.
Of course, once Hurley and Sayid arrive, Locke gets all smug again. Oh Locke, with your deeper understanding of everything. You are a guru, a leader, a prophet. Who needs to take some community college computer classes.
Kate and Hurley get to work looking for a breaker, and Hurley stumbles upon the pantry and gets all gluttonous. Come on, that was such a cheap laugh. I’m disappointed in you, Abrams!
Down in the prisoners’ hole, Ana Lucia is getting crazy paranoid all of a sudden. The Three Musketeers are getting a little freaked out wondering what wrong with her, then she punches Sawyer and takes his gun. They take it in stride. I have to admit, I did not see that coming. Well done, Lost. I would, however, like to point out that the cuteness of Ana Lucia’s outfit is highly unlikely. She’s got on tight low rider jeans with a wide, trendy belt, and a leather vest that hits at her waist that I very much would like to own. Her hair looks fabulous, too. Villains are always so hot.
Now Desmond is running running running; I still don’t understand where the hell he’s headed. He trips and Jack catches up to him, gun in hand. Jack is downright angry! Also, he tries to pretend like they’ve never met before, even though Desmond clearly remembers him from the stadium. He even asks after “the girl,” and Jack breaks down sobbing when he says that he married her. Whatever. Where’s Charlie?
Jack goes back into the hatch, where there is much techno-speak and then some back and forth as to who should hit “execute.” I think Jack and Locke are having some sort of reverse pissing contest here. Neither one of them will push the button, and they won’t let Sayid do it, either. Finally Jack does it. I’m not sure why, but I totally don’t care about Jack right now. I think it may be from overexposure. The hero is never the most interesting character in a show, because that’s their main facet, heroism. (Who would you rather get a drink with? Buffy, or Xander?)
After all that shouting and tension, Locke volunteers to take the first shift at the computer. I guess that means they’re going to buy into it wholeheartedly. The clock starts over again, and we’re out!
So are you happy again with this show? It was jam-packed with clues and hints and all manner of plot advancements. What new things did you pick up on? Looking forward to learning even more, or still processing?
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I think it’s important to note that Michelle Rodriguez got pulled out of the pit by the big crazy warrior guy. AND the fact that Hurley purposely gives tells them the last number is 32 instead of 42, but then Jack comes in and corrects them.
I secretly want to fast-forward in time to when Sawyer’s damn arm is healed. All his squirming is annoying me. But then again, if I got shot in the arm and then pulled out the bullet myself, I’d probably be squirming a little myself.
I did notice that in Desmond’s scramble to gather his belongings he grabbed his copy of “the third policeman.” I recognized the cover because I was a big enough dork to run out and buy myself a copy as soon as I heard that it would have something to do with the show. It is a good book though…
How did Jack know the last number was 42? He said Desmond told him the numbers, but I don’t remember that Desmond did….
is it just me, or did that old, rich guy in the window from the movie look a lot like locke’s “father”?
Desmond repeated the number sequence two or three times to Jack in the forest…
Now this was a good episode! Totally made up for last week!
Julia — When Desmond ran away all crazy-like, Jack followed him. At the end of their convo (where Desmond says he remembers Jack), Desmond tells him the numbers.
Well, technically, Hurley didn’t give them the wrong number, he just let Locke carry on with his mistake. Jack knew the last number was 42 because Desmond had repeated the code to him a couple times when they were out shouting at each other in the jungle.
Heather, rock on with your dork self!
I was wondering that about the old rich guy too. Alva Hanso!
I found this link on another message board:
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/
Fantastic recap!!!
That movie was mind-blowing. Check out this weird website: http://www.thehansofoundation.org/
WTF??? I think that the guy in the window looks like the cancer man from X-Files, but I’ve heard someone say that he looks like Papa Locke.
I liked the Locke flashbacks … good to know that even he had a bit o’ happiness at one point. It must all go to pot; I bet that’s where he loses use of his legs. Wasn’t the telephone woman charging him for the calls? My bet is, he told her that he wanted to call her Helen, after the real Helen dies/dumps him/whatever.
So I guess that we now know how the polar bears wound up on the island. So it seems that Walt can’t form them out of thin air, but does anyone think that he’s somehow ‘summoning’ them subconsciously. Like, he was thinking about birds, and a nearby bird flew into the door … he’s thinking about polar bears, and a nearby bear comes a runnin’???
Wasn’t “The Turn of the Screw” remade into the Nicole Kidman movie, “The Others?”
Thank you, Kat. I was thinking the same thing–there’s no way in hell that Roy Desoto’s son is as old as John Locke.
The Turn of the Screw–a story within a story about a governess who sees ghosts and has creepy things happen to her; her sanity is in question and she ends up alone (the housekeeper and little girl leave and the little boy drops dead).
This could be a broad symbolic reference to what fear does to a person or to the questions of sanity and reason when a person sees and believes things no one else does.
I have a few things I’m wondering about. Did anyone think the man with all the money in the tape Locke and Jack watched looked a little like Locke’s dad. Also the one of the things the tape said was part of the study was eugenics which is the study of hereditary improvement of the human race by controlled selective breeding. Is this how Ethan was so strong? And also in the previews for next week Jin said IN ENGLISH that things were going to be different. When did he learn english? I don’t think Michelle Rodriguez is an Other, I think they all are the other passengers and just looking out for themselves. She went down into the hole/cage to get answers from them, she knew they would talk to her if they felt she was on there level. I think it was smart, plus in the previews they were taking them out of the cage/hole.
Wow! That Sayid is some genius with the computer equipment. From the time the power comes on, he only has 4 minutes to repair a computer that was manufactured in the same year he was born. That’s not even enough time for the soldering iron to heat up. And, hey; those Dharma people showed a lot of insight when they put the countdown clock on a different power source than the rest of the station.
Yes, matt, The Others is based on Turn of the Screw…
What a waste of Katey Segal’s talent–running around after Locke of all people. It would have been a lot cooler if she were conned by Sawyer.
well now Walts “backwards comments” make sense – don’t touch the button….
“I watched that old episode again to listen to that Helen’s voice and compare. Definitely a different Helen. ”
Kat, you are a true Lostologist. MY hat is off to you.
Some things I noticed:
THe end of the tape shows a copyright for Hano insdstries dated 1980. ALso, there was a very deliberatly placeed slice in teh tape when the guy is about to say something specific. I have to relisten but It was definitely done on purpose.
My new theory is that Hurley is “Him” that was referred to last episode, as he told the very same snowman joke last season. I also beleived the plane was crashed on purpose tog et hurley to teh island to take over for Desmond. But tahts just my theory tofday , tomorrow itll be different.
And did anyone see the preview for enxt week? Jin speaks in perfect english! WTF!
I beleive that the button thing is all a mind game. I mean think about it, if you have a a computer, WHY do you need someone to press a button every 180 minutes? I can write a program myself in 5 minutes that will have the computer do an execute function every 108 minutes for as long as I tell it too. Theres no reason for him to do that.
1 if time =108 goto line 2
2 execute
There. done.
the “others” arent teh others, theyre jsut the passengers from the tail end. They just think ssawyer mike and Jin may be the others so tahts why they attacked and imprisoned them.
Also worth checking out is the Hanso Foundation website:
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/
I traced the IP registration back to ABC/Disney so its an actual show site.
Turn of the Screw. A psychological ghost story that is basically open to interpretation. Not like Lost at all! Also has aspect of child abuse, hallucination, an unreliable narrator… It’s been a few years since I read it, but these are the main aspects that stay with me. I have what’s called a “casebook” on Turn of the Screw and on page 108 (I couldn’t resist) the lit critic analyst claims that James “wrote for the reader who was not content to have the author do all the work.â€? I notice that Lost fans are this type of reader/ viewer — seeking to unravel mysteries and find connections. Speculation is half the fun of watching.
Adebisi’s back, and scarier than ever!
EdHill – Use spell check next time…GEEZ!!! HA HA…anyways, I noticed the Third Policeman book but I don’t believe Desmond grabbed it…I think he left it there..
Errrr… I don’t get it… Obviously thehansofoundation.org is a Disney site (click on “Terms of Use”). Very well done, though.
But this is very Lost-esque of them…
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From WhoIs:
thehansofoundation.org
The name that you searched on is not taken but is available for your registration.
“It would be rad if Rousseau were in this scene, rolling her eyes at him and making the jerk-off motion.”
AAhhahahaa – too funny. But, seriously, Delenn would never make the jerk-of motion.
Oh my gosh I have been waiting with bated breath for this recap. The numnuts on EW.com didn’t notice the “Turn of the Screw” reference at all and the page was so crowded you couldn’t put a post. I know my fellow exiles from Witch Mountain here would know a thing or two about literature.
You guys caught a lot that I didnt catch. I have a very small theory but it may have been hashed out long ago– this is only my third episode of lost so forgive me if you’ve already talked about this. I just think it’s interesting that Jack and John really are just variatons on the same name, and both have this story of paralasis, and both appear to have lost a loved one mysteriously. Just a begining thought and maybe it’s obvious.
I’m so mad I didnt get hookd on this show earlier! HOw many of you shouted “PUSH THE DAMN BUTTON” at your Tvs?
Oh and PS- great recap! props on asking the same question I did- Why is my brotha looking like Emperor Jones when everyone else is fully clothed?
Did anyone notice that Jack looked at a picture of Desmond and some woman? Was it just me, or did the woman look like Jack’s ex-wife, you know, the hot chick from “Ed”?
I need to get a TIVO.
since everything with the hatch is “branded” with that silly logo, i wonder if they DONT hit execute that the shark (also branded) will come on shore and eat everyone.
that’d be sweet.
Re: KAT SMASH CABLE
Now I would pay to see that.
P.P.S. So Ethan Rom is an anagram for ‘other man’. Does that mean that Alvar Hanso is an anagram for ‘has no larva’?
ha!
Did you see the ‘Dharma Initiative’ mouseover at the bottom of the list of ‘Active Projects’ on the hanso foundation site? Can’t wait for ABC/Disney to link that somewhere!
It’s obviously one of Dharma’s psychological experiments – I didn’t expect Jack to buy into it, but are we really ready to know what it is about? Nah…
ha!, are you referring to ‘Dharma Initiative’ or is there something else I am missing?
Has anyone found the Driveshaft site – http://www.driveshaftband.com/ ? They did a really awesome job with it!
Great Recap. I also just wanted to point out a couple of things:
1) Anyone think the Hanso Foundatin logo is a variation of the swastika? (Okay, maybe I am just nuts…)
2) BF Skinner, mentioned in the Dharma Initiative film, worked on operant conditioning. Wikipedia Link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning
Seems like the dharma initiative is just a behaviorial experiment like Jack assumes.
Anyway, Jin speaking perfect English in the trailer for nest week? Sweet!
Aim,
Yes, that is what I was referring to.
Thanks for the driveshaft site – I had not heard about that.
Looks like someone’s having a heck of a lot of fun creating these supporting websites. Too cool.
ha!
The guy in the window looked just like Leslie Nielsen from “Airplane”- now that would be awesome! I totally freaked out when they showed Jin in the previews for next week speaking perfect english. There are so many clues! Here’s another theory: what if the “others” (who are not the same “others” on the raft, but really the survivors from the back of the plane)each have a character twin in the original 43? i.e., Michelle Rodgriguez’s character is the twin to Kate- the tough pretty chick? And the black guy is Sawyer, etc.? I think there are tons of red herrings and Abrams is messing with everyone’s heads.
Julie- I was thinking the same thing! (now I’m black so don’t ya’ll be yelling at me for implying that all black people look alike) but I did think that Michael and the guy who threw them in the pit were kind of similar looking. And one of the guys on the boat that took Walt reminded me of Locke’s sunburned pirate look.
Once I heard that it was the Dharma project I kept looking for “Greg”. They should make everyone watch old Dharma and Greg reruns when the clock starts to count down instead of typing in retired NY Yankee numbers.
GO BLUE!!!
Leah3t- I think the twin to the black guy is Sawyer. As for Michael’s twin, we have to see the rest of the others to match them all up. I didn’t get a good enough look at those on the raft, but I think they are a completely different group than those holding Sawyer, Jin and Michael.
Ashes and Biko, thanks for the “Turn of the Screw” info. I think that supports my theory (if I do say so myself) that The Others are a manifestation of fear. Maybe that’s what the writers are going for- or maybe they really have no idea! In fact, I bet they take notes from our comments section.
Someone over at EW.com noticed that if you go to http://oceanicflight815.com and click on the barcode in the main index page and enter in theislandiswaiting when it asks for a code, a script for an uncoming episode pops up…it’s pretty crazy, mentioning zombies and Michael suddenly understanding Korean. I can’t imagine that’s an actual script, but it is on the Lost page. Weird.
Jack’s behavior in this episode was totally irrational and a wee bit lame. I think it’s from hanging out with Kate too much. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that they picked the blackest African semi celebrity to have as a “native”. I guess Manute Bol was busy. The best thing by far was the Orientation Film and Jin speaking English in the preview. Those were the only two moments that gave me that good Lost tingle. The rest gave me that bad Lost groan.
In the preview for next weeks show we see the lady that lost her husband and thought she saw him on the beach. I wondered what happened to her. I happen to think that the big black guy might be her husband.
The script page is 42.
The only reference I can find to Xavier Grillo-Marxuach is here:
http://www.bamby.de/2005/05Lost10.html
[I assume "Buch" -- book -- means writer]
and if that guy is Rose’s husband…well, good for her for bagging a young’un!
Julie- ah, that makes sense too. I like this idea though, i’m gonna think about it some more….
So what if Jin’s ability to speak English (or Michael’s ability to understand Korean, whatever it may be) comes from Walt’s ability to make things happen?
EdHill – I thought the same thing about Hurley being “Him”. He’s too closely associated with the numbers not to be. I’ll be interested to see how the crazy number guy fits into this whole thing. Was he a Dharma experiment gone wrong? Or is he Kelvin? You would think having to type those numbers over and over again would tend to drive one a little batty.
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/dharma.html
Thank G-d there are sites like this. I highly enjoy Lost and love all of the twists, but would miss most of the foreshadowing and symbolism if it weren’t for you guys! Wow, who’d have thought that the girl who hated high school English class would be watching a show with more symbolism in one episode than almost any one novel we read!
taco,
i just checked out that link. it was still creepy watching it again. but- in this video, the dr. says more (well less is cut out) about the experiment “gone wrong”.
when i watch the video, it’s creepy but i can’t take my eyes away.
this is my first time posting on here. i got addicted to the site during the bb6 recaps. you guys run a tight ship. i’ll keep reading.
Was that really Locke’s father? What if some guy claimed to be Locke’s father just to get his kidney?
I thought the man in the office window looked like Locke.
I think that there has to be a little bit of suspension of disbelief with the flashbacks showing a character like Locke in his younger days. The way that I see it, they have two options. One is to find another actor to play the young Locke. Second, and more enjoyable, is the cheesy wig option. So far we’ve seen it for Locke, and, most memorably, for Jack. Do we have more to look foward to? Sawyer with a mullet? Sayid with a rat-tail?
I’ve watched that Hanso clip a couple of times now and I can’t help but wonder
that the guy keeps talking about “you and your partner”. Did Desmond ever have a partner? Where the Heck is he?
And the line that really gets cut out at the end, ”
“do not attempt to use the computer for any…” and then the film is cut and you can’t hear the last part of the sentence.
Sorry guys, but since Tvgasm seems to think that an English major would be the authority on this subject, I have to say that Nicole Kidman’s movie, “The Others,” is NOT based on Joyce’s “Turn of the Screw.” Although both more/less deal with the supernatural and each contain creepy children, the movie is not based upon that story. Their plots are completely different other than a few similar story elements. I think the inclusion of this book on this episode just wants us to question the sanity and reliability of our sources since the novella was mostly a “is-she or isn’t-sheâ€? sanity/insanity contemplation.
I also hate to say that Hurley didn’t crack that snowman joke in season 1. I thought that this had already been debated and proven.
I don’t think I like how they’ve made this man appear to be “all native” and a savage. I frown upon that but I am hoping there is a reason for that. At first I thought he could have been a survivor of the Nigerian plane until he appeared to be rather chummy with Ana Lucia.
As for speaking English, yes, Jin does speak it quite well. Also, if we look behind him while he is speaking in English it looks like there is a light fixture on the wall behind him — so where the HELL is he? I am very confused with this twist because why on earth would he continue to pretend with Sawyer and Michael when he desperately needed their help? He could barely say “the others” when he was running from them on the beach. Is he part of a bigger picture? I am beginning to think that he married Sun so that some larger organization could spy upon her father by using him. This is a most interesting plot development.
As for Locke — damn him. He told Jack to take a “leap of faith.” Dumbass, he obviously didn’t listen to Helen #1. A leap of faith is doing something and not knowing what the outcome would be. It is the “unknowing.â€? He knows damn well what will happen if they push the button. NOT pushing the button would have been a leap of faith. Poor Jack shouldn’t have second-guessed himself because Dharma would have been to the island within an hour to rescue them all once this button wasn’t pushed. Now they truly are lost. The computer can be used to call for help or to do whatever the hell else they want to do with it (perhaps play Pong) but this sick and mean mind game is making them think that the computer is taboo. Do they honestly believe that the big-wheels of this corporation are going to trust the fate of the world to some peons?
. . . and Laurie, Desmond tells us that his partner Kelvin/Calvin died a little after showing him how to use the computer.
Oops and I forgot to say that I think every hatchling gets fed the same crap that Desmond got fed. I believe that they are always told that they will have a replacement every 540 days and so when the 541st day comes around and nobody shows up they think that one of the other hatches missed up and destroyed the world. This goes on and on until these people give up or snap and Dharma comes in and replaces the hatchlings. Maybe the “military story” of Sammy and Leonard’s is a scam by this corporation and one of them actually snapped while doing this. It is all a big experiment, but the new question is why?
OK people I have the key to the symbol.It’s weird I never examined it before. No it is not a twisted swastika. The symbol is a swan aka Hansa in Indian languages. I know that for a fact , I’m Indian
BTW Hansa is also the vehicle of the lord Brahma ( The creator-Hindu trinity) Also the hansowebsite says: Thank you. Namaste. Good Luck. Namaste is an Indian word meaning greetings. Dharma is again a hindu/buddist word. Is there an indian connection..I smell something curry
Man! this episode ran fast. I heard on the radio before the show that the producers asked viewers to look out for a book which would be displayed in a key scene for a second. Thank you all for all the wonderful inputs
Am I the only one who was yelling at their TV for them NOT to push the button?
TWilliams – uh, The Others wouldn’t be based on “Joyce’s Turn of the Screw” because Joyce didn’t write “Turn of the Screw.” Henry James did.
I think it’s “Calvin,” rather than “Kelvin”…in keeping with the representational philosophers. Juxtapose Calvinist theory with Lockian…
Oh! And guess what I realized this morning? There is a hansa swam emblem in the back of the toilet in the ladies’ room here at work! Anybody know what real life porcelin fixtures manufacturer uses that emblem? I gotta tell you, it kinda creeps me out that I plant my ass on it regularly… Don’tcha just love it when your media fantasy life invades your 3-D life?!
This is my first post, and I want to point out two things.
1. 540 days…don’t know if this is significant or not, but 540/108 = 5
Kinda wierd how it divides evenly.
2. About Jin speaking English, I read in the papers that next week will be focoused on Hurley and be a more comedic episode, so it wouldn’t really be a stretch to have Hurley dreaming (or something like that) that Jin could speak English.
…and in the 540 days, the pair would need to input the numbers 7200 times total, or 3600 times each if they were equally sharing the shifts…I feel like we should really keep playing with these numbers for some reason…
Wow, if the Hansa is a religious symbol and it’s on your toilet, there’s a toilet making company committing some serious religious disrespect.
blue can you tell us more about what dharma actually is?
Hurley is “Him” in a sense because he was locked up in a mental ward with someone that kept repeating the numbers. The person who was repeating the numbers is obviously someone that was sent down to the island to execute the orders for the 540 days. When he returned to wherever he was from he couldn’t handle living in the real world after being locked away for over a year and was then commited to a mental institution. He kept repeating the numbers because they were so important to him down the hatch. Hurley met him and overheard him repeating the numbers and that is all I can explain right now.
HELLO, did anyone care to comment that the picture Jack looks at of Desmond and some girl appears to be Jack’s wife? Could that help explain some connection? Did anyone go back to look at it?
I thought the woman in the picture looked like Rousseau…
This episode made me consider not watching anymore. Jack’s emotions were confusing and all kinds of over the top. He can ease up on the gun-wielding just any minute now. Ditto Locke with his nonsense. Enter a code every 108 minutes?! That has got to be a huge joke. This island is a behavioral experiment. Probably an abandoned one. Nothing happens when the clock hits zero. What idiot would chain themselves to an underground bunker on that flimsy video’s word? “There was an incident…” My ass. Take the food and walk away.
I was most disappointed when Jack gave in to Locke. I know he needs a purpose and all, but this was the dumbest one he could possibly have opted for. And what’s with Locke trying to break Jack down?
Asswipes.
Dont you think he would have recognized his own wife in a photo?
Maybe Jack’s wife was supposed to marry Desmond when she got into the accident.
I am surprised nobody mentioned how completely unbelievable it is that they spent all that time trying to get through a hatch buried in the ground when they could have FOUND the large metal submarine door in the side of a hill somewhere.
I also find Jacks continual split personality syndrome to be getting old.
TWilliams, I thought that The Turn of the Screw inspired The Others. It’s not the same story, you’re right, but I seem to remember an interview back when The Others came out in which they mentioned being inspired by James’ story. That may have confused people who aren’t familiar with the plots of both the book and the movie into thinking they are one and the same.
It’s a TV show people suspend some reality and enjoy…
I think that Jack and Locke’s behavior is consistent with what the show’s established. Locke believes that he’s there for a reason, that he has a destiny. When he finds the computer and the countdown, of course he believes … it fits right in with what he thinks is his purpose for being there.
Jack, on the other hand, thinks that everything can be explained … he doesn’t believe in fate or destiny or any grand plan, which is why he has so much friction with Locke. But seeing Desmond there, a coincidence that can’t be explained, on top of everything in the hatch, is too much for him; it flies in the face of his whole belief system. He’s having trouble handling it, which is why his behavior is suddenly so erratic. I was disappointed that Jack gave in and pushed the button … he doesn’t know what to think anymore.
Jack seems to keep anything having to do with coincidence close to his vest, he didn’t even really broach the subject with Desmond that they had met, couldn’t part of the reason he chased Desmond (which, there was no real reason for him doing) be that he was upset and confused that there was a picture of Desmond with his wife and that they shared more than one brief encounter in a stadium in common? Jack doesn’t spill to anyone what he is thinking, he seemed upset after looking at the photo, and I think that’s one of the reasons he breaks down when asked about her by Desmond. And form what I remember, the girl was blond and cute, so obviously not Rouseau.
The guy that was supposed to marry Jack’s wife appeared int he first episode, it wasn’t Desmond.
Anybody wondering what happened to Calvin’s partner in the hatch? He had to save Desmond to be his number 2. Either that guy is running around the island or he died also.
In terms of someone suggesting that if the countdown went all the way, that the Havlo organization would come and get them because nothing really happens, seems a little odd. If this is one big mind experiment, would it last 25 years, leaving someone down there that long?
It appears to me that this electromagnetic experiment is used to draw ships and planes ot the island.
I was wondering about Calvin’s original partner also- the film made it seem that there will always be 2 people in the hatch. You’ve got to feel sorry for poor Desmond- he hasn’t had a full night’s rest since Calvin died! I’d be a little wacky too if I only got an hour and 48 minutes of sleep at a time!
I went back and looked at the photo. While the woman in the photo and Sarah are both blonde, the shape of the face is different. I don’t think it is her.
Maybe “Calvin” is/was Ethan, who was shot by Charlie?
Or maybe Ethan was Calvin’s original mate in the hatch?
Desmond says when he is explaining about the hatch that his partner died and there was no replacement.
But why do they need all the guns down that hatch?
Man, I love this show.
Is it possible that the guy who threw Mike, Jin and Sawyer into the pit is (forgive me, I can’t remember her name!) the black lady’s husband? You know, the lady who was sitting by Jack on the plane.
I can’t believe the recap did not mention that the preview for next week included Jin speaking accent-free English! That alone was better than episode two in it’s entirety.
Amusing. The self-described English major mistakes James Joyce for Henry James. Easy slip to make, but funny, nonetheless.
But I think you’re basically right about the whole ‘Turn of the Screw’ thing. The story is usually taught as an archetypal example of the ‘unreliable narrator’ technique. Are the ghosts really there, or is the governess crazy? Will the world come to an end if no one enters the numbers and presses the button ever 108 minutes, or is the whole thing a big experiment on human lab rats to see how long they’ll keep doing it?
Either way, one thing’s for sure: as Hurley likes to say, ‘the numbers are bad.’ Even if the clock and computer in the hatch are just an experiment, that wouldn’t explain why Hurley hit the lotto with the numbers, or why he became a human disaster magnet afterwards, or any number of other radically unlikely coincidences involving all of the major cast members.
not sure if it’s a red herring or not, but it’s been observed elsewhere that ‘jin speaking english’ was actually an interview with Daniel Dae Kim, the actor who plays him. it would be wild if it turned out jin knew english all along, but it seems pretty unlikely.
“Three years ago he was in a ‘solar’ race around the world.” I believe you meant “solo” sail boat race which would account for Desmond being alone. On another note, I have also thought that a simple program would resolve his predicament. But EdHill’s code leaves out entering the numbers, “2-14-15 whatever 42″ Love the site and your every 108 minute work. Big Fan
Isn’t it possible that the “him” that Desmond is looking for is his replacement that he’s been waiting for?
James/Joyce – you can tell I used my English degree. One I actually like and the other’s work I loathe. Maybe it was being up at 2 AM or maybe it was that I didn’t pay much attention. I guess it doesn’t matter anyway because the two brought up for discussion don’t belong together.
Does anybody else think that the 540 days is just something these hatchlings are told? Once the 541st day rolls around aren’t they going to think, “okay, what’s up?” After a week comes around, they might assume that someone else missed up in one of these other hatches and the world is gone and out of a will to live they continue entering the code? I think this is a BIG mindgame but I don’t understand its purpose. I don’t think that there is any reason for leaving these people out here for 20 years because what would that prove? By the time you put these people in the “real” situation they’d be so tried and frazzled that they’d do you no good. I think this is just testing the limits of it participants but I don’t see the logic of it. I do believe that Dharma will step in and remove the inhabitants once they stop entering the code and by the time that that happens the hatchling has probably gone insane.
And Jack, very true that this tells us nothing about WHY the numbers are bad or Hurley’s bad/dumb luck. All this episode really did was let us know how long Desmond had been in the hatch. That and we got a really creepy orientation video and a scary screenshot of a man in a building.
too many posts…
Suebee…We already saw Jack’s wife’s ex-fiance right before the surgery and it’s not Desomnd.
It is not possible that the black woman’s wife is the “shaft” character, we’ve seen him before too and he’s much older.
And finally a movie can be based on a book without it following the book exactly… that’s why it’s called “based”
The numbers were heard on a transmission in the Pacific, and the men who heard and used them experienced the bad luck and mental instability that others have faced. Does anyone else think that the original transmission probably came from the island (and possibly the Dharma people)?
I’m no philospher but I wonder when Hobbes (Calvin’s historical counterpart not the cartoon tiger) is going to show up. Also, I think the ‘him’ that Desmond was asking Locke about is simply the 540 day replacement promised by the Hanso Foundation.
Also, Victoria (#57): No, you were not the only one yelling ‘DON’T PRESS THE BUTTON’ at the TV. I was actually disappointed that he did. What is there to lose by not pressing it except to find out new possibilities? If it all ends as intimated by the Hanso video, at least you aren’t doomed to a sisyphisian future of pushing a button every 108 minutes.
Where is the discussion about B.F. Skinner? Didn’t we all read Walden II in high school?
I heard a possible scenario for what this show is really about. This island was used by Nazis for testing the effects of electromagnetic fields. These people have never really left the island. They were born there. Their memories were programmed into their heads for reasearch purposes. What does everyone think?
I give the writers more credit than that. It’s way too Matrix.
i still think it would have been awesome if they didnt push the button and the island totally blew up and everyone died and that was the end of the series.
can you imagine?
Sound familiar?:
An operant conditioning chamber (sometimes called a Skinner box after B. F. Skinner, its inventor) is an experimental apparatus used by psychologists to study operant conditioning in animals. The structure forming the shell of a chamber is a three-dimensional box large enough to easily accommodate…the subject in the research. Conditioning chambers have at least one operandum (or “manipulandum”) that can automatically detect the occurrence of a behavioral response or action.
Typical operanda for monkeys and rats are “response levers”; if the subject presses the lever, the opposite end moves and closes a switch that is monitored by a computer or other programmed device.
…The other minimal requirement of a conditioning chamber is that it have a means of delivering a primary reinforcer or unconditioned stimulus like food or water.
[from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinner_box ]
Huge explosion to end a series….wasn’t that already done in “CRIME STORY”?
Leah3t,
Thanks for the sentiment, but in my opinion, the Hansa is not a very revered bird, no offense to any toilet company.
Also Dharma means basic principles of the cosmos, it is what one should ideally do.
For ex. It is our “dharma” to be kind to people, respect our elders: and it is our “karma” to experiance our misdeeds. (gosh, my mom’s gonna be so proud of me).
Operant conditioning also utilizes negative reinforcement to modify behavior. Performing a task so as to avoid negative reinforcement is called “Avoidance” and this is a textbook case. WOW, never thought I’d use my vaunted Minor in Bahavioral Psychology from NYU for a network series.
I agree with you guys that it totally sounds like a psychology experiment based on Skinner’s work. I also thought Jack should NOT push the button. The Orientation video reminded me of Milgram’s research back in the 60′s on obedience to authority. Basically, Milgram found that more than half his subjects displayed full obedience when told to administer a dangerous level of electric shock to a subject. The man in the video seemed like the authority figure saying “you must push the button…” to see if people would follow his orders without question.
Anyone figure out the “I work for abc” person’s comments about who the pirate with the beard was? I didn’t recognize him.
DESMOND’S GIRLFRIEND = WOMAN ON BOAT THAT KIDNAPPED WALT?
http://tinypic.com/eb6csi.jpg
I think that the woman from the photo beside Desmond’s bed is the same woman from the boat that snatched Walt and blew up the raft! What do you guys think? She’s definitely not Jack’s wife/ex-wife.
And check out http://www.mrclucks.com for some crazy stuff. Mr. Cluck’s is Hurley’s Chicken Store, FYI.
I do believe those women have the same chin. Creepy photo actually. But why? Poor Desmond — he has been so misused. This guy might turn out more tragic than Locke.
Also, someone said that the island should have blown up and it would be the end of the series. I am so afraid that this series is going to actually end like that. It is going to end with the stupid countdown clock ticking down and the button not getting pushed and the series will end at that very second so we will have no idea what “really” happens. I will be pissed, but I don’t think anything would happen anyway, but I would still be royally pissed off.
That photo is definitely her. I am very convinced of that now. For a few hours anyway.
Holy crap, I can’t believe I read the whole thing, Recap and POSTS, I really love this show, yet I’ve never seen the FIRST EPISODE, shame on me, and I must confess that as I was watching this weeks episode I experienced a true TVGASM, TOTALLY AWESOME EPISODE!!!
#100!!! Jeez that’s a lot of comments!
Someone else said earlier that the woman on the raft could have been Michael’s wife’s attorney. I would love to see these two side by side.
I posted last week that the blonde could have been Michael’s wife’s attorney; but after seeing these two images side by side I am fairly convinced these are the same woman.
Larger forehead, thin chin, the same cheekbones, eyebrows have the same curve. Also — why show us a picture of Desmond with someone if it isn’t going to figure into the series later? Maybe Desmond wasn’t a victim either — who knows now.
Question: How did Kelvin find Desomond without risking the countdown reaching zero? I don’t think I buy the story.
Also – from a production standpoint I was disapointed (for the first time ever with anything on Lost) with the high quality film used in the training film. I hate when shows/movies use modern day equipment and then add lines to make it look old and worn down. I wish they had used an actual 80′s camera to film that part.
Speaking of which – I think the most important part of the film is when he says :
Following in the footsteps of visionaries such as B.F. Skinner [there is a jump cut/splice here] imagined a large scale communal research compound where scientists and free thinkers from around the globe could pursue research in meteorology, psychology, parapsychology, zoology, electromagnetism, and utopian social [splice]
Could it be that they are studying all of these things at once – or have they been studying those things in order? As has been said perviously by some of you I think this explains the polar bears and perhaps the plain being sucked in. But what I want to know is what he was going to say after utopian social – as you would need a boat load of people to study such a thing – a plane load would work too I guess
I have some random theories:
1. The lottery that Hurley won was rigged so that The Numbers would be the winning ticket. It was a way to identify someone who believed The Numbers were special and “recruit” him to the hatch.
2. Some of the bad stuff that happens around Hurley really is a coincidence, and the “curse” is all in his head. (He was in a mental ward for some time.) Hurley fits a certain psychological profile that makes him an ideal candidate for the hatch experiment. Note that Desmond suggested to Jack that he believed in miracles.
3. The hatch experiment has far outlasted the designer’s best hopes–like the Mars Rovers still going strong today after completing their 30-day mission long ago. So the designers keep providing the hatch with electricity, water, and somehow, food–as long as they keep getting “data.”
4. In case #2 is false and there really is something mystical about The Numbers, then maybe Desmond is the anti-Hurley. The numbers have been bad for Desmond (he was stuck in the hatch for three years) but good for those around him (Jack’s future wife made a miraculous recovery). The Numbers were good for Hurley but bad for those around him.
Just my $0.02.
Not sure if anyone mentioned this but can someone explain to me how Desmond stayed awake for 3 years? We know Kelvin died soon after he arrived. Please keep in mind that all this investiagtion work is very cool but 95% of the folks who watch LOST dont read up on all the clues. The show HAS to work for the casual viewer primarily and therefore 99% of all the clues in the end wont be diddly. Sad to say really.
C’mon, I can’t be the only one who thinks it’s a major plot loop-hole that there is such a buildup to penetrating this mysterious hatch that only opens from the outside only to find out on the most recent episode that after all their is a front door that is very easily exited and entered by both Jack and Desmond and tnen Kate has no prob remembering where it is in the jungle when bringing back Hurley and Sayid. Man if they’d have only known from the git-go there was a front door just down the hill! Otherwise I’m still hip.
If the button does nothing there are still a bunch of things that need explaining.
-Hurely’s endless bad luck
-the numbers being connected to a lot of the things that have happened to flight 815 passengers.
-walts’ abilities
-the security system
just to name a few
The button must do something.
“Kelvin” is kind of an unusual name, and made me think of the most famous “Kelvin” – the temperature scale (remember, it’s the 3rd one, after “farenheit” and “centigrade”). Bear with me here for a second. In high school chemistry, we all learned that absolute zero is, in theory, the lowest possible temperature, the point at which the movement of molecules will altogether stop. But it’s never been done; scientists just can’t get to that point of zero. Therefore, when I (and presumably a lot of you out there who took high school chem) think “Kelvin,” the first thing that comes to my mind is, “not reaching zero.” Which is what Kelvin’s job was when he was there with Desmond – to not let the counter go down to zero.
Unless his name is actually “Calvin”, like John Calvin, the man who envisioned the “city on the hill”, a utopian society that’s would be a beacon of all that is good and right with the world. Which is what the Hanso Foundation seems to want to create.
Damn Desmond’s Scottish A’s and E’s sounding the same!
I think too much.
THE TURN OF THE SCREW is one of the world’s most classic ghost stories. Nothing more nothing less, so we need to consider this blatant clue. THE OTHERS was only one of several versions of this classic on film, and a good one. By now most of us agree that our ‘survivors’ are in some sort of alternate universe, or are they?
I think the injection that Desmond gives himself may be a chemical to keep him awake. Back in the 1970′s there were several experiments going on, mostly by the Army testing various medications and other chemicals to see if they could find something that would allow a soldier to go without sleep for long periods of time. He may believe it’s a vaccine for whatever is outside the hatch but he’s wrong. The other thing to consider is that the Army was not successful in their quest for a sleep preventative. Primarily because nothing they tried could prevent the need for the brain to dream. If the brain is kept awake by artificial means, it will still dream. Called hallucinations. Is Desmond the source of the whole story?
Huzzah! to DAVA. We also think the name Kelvins is significant. However I had not attempted the thought experiment that Dava did. That Kelvin took him to the impossibility of reaching true zero was wonderful. A tip is no one else has offered it: watch an episode with the Captions ON. It helps a great deal with things like the word “Kelvin”. If the caption device gets it right [sometimes there are poor translations from speech to text] you can gather alot of good info. Remember the first episode this year when Kate is yelling for Jack. Without the captions we missed this entirely because the background music drowned it out. Then my son, the Pirate Prince, said he thought he heard Kate call for Help! With the captions on we saw that she calls Jack! Jack!
We really must get here sooner after the episode next time. We seem to be alone on the forum today. But must get these ideas out of my sleep deprived brain. Did no one else wonder about the word “namaste” which is used by the narrator at the end of the film? “… namaste, and good luck.” type it in google, very interesting. What made us jump to the assumption that all of the other stations have the same 108 minute cycle to work with? The film only says an “incident” happened at the electro magnetic lab.
A QUESTION: Does anyone else wonder why Sayid only traced the cable in Season 1 inland? The cable comes from the sea, shouldn’t we wonder where it goes when it goes underwater? Since one of the disciplines to be studied was zoology wouldn’t that incude the animal life in the ocean? Could there be a lab underwater? Maybe a large geodesic dome on the seafloor? Remember the fire that was found on the beach in the last season had no footprints around it, as if the makers of the fire had come up from underground. Maybe from a tunnel to the undersea lab?
Sorry if someone already posted this idea but, I think the big black guy (shaft) is from the slave ship. His clothes or what’s left of them do not look modern and he’s definetly big and strong.
Remember when Hurley visited the patient in the mental hospital; the patient indicated that he obtained the numbers (4,8,15,16,23,42)from someone named Kelvin. Could this be the same Kelvin that Desmond was with in the hatch?
It seems pretty obvious to me, and pardon me if it has been repeated earlier, but The Black Bohemian guy who is working with Ana Lucia (the folks who are keeping Jin, Michael, and Sawyer captive) is the husband of the lady who was “mourning her husband” but “knew” that her husband was still alive. You know the lady who spoke with Charlie and said that he should start praying.
Perhaps the mysterious Others are actually scientists abandoned on the island years ago. That might explain their access to a small boat, gasoline, guns and the tools to make a makeshif bomb with which to blow up the raft.
By the way, check it out, the black lady is not even listed as one of the crew, but the black guy is…interesting: http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/cast/93544.html
One more thing: I think the guy who was supposed to relieve Desmond and be Kelvin’s #2 guy, was most likely the crazy guy from the insane asylum that kept repeating the numbers – now Harley may have that fate.
Excuse me…I meant Hurley.
Watch Jack. I think he is getting “sick”. Didn’t it look like he did something out of character in the coming attractions? He appeared to be peeping on Kate while she was showering. Kate looked somewhat pleased, but mostly surprised. Not really a “Jack” thing to do.
I KNOW THE REASON DESMOND RAN!!!
Desmond ran because that would mean he did not have to press the button every 108 minutes, so he passed the job to locke(hint:remember he made locke type the code in)
the reason that locke didnt hit exacute and did not let kate, hurly or sayiid hit it was because he did not want to be alone in the hatch, and wanted jack to be in the hatch with him. It shows that even though Locke and Jack were fighting locke really wants a good friendship with jack, though they are very different.
Doesn’t the preview have Jack saying “sorry” to Kate when he enters the room when she is in the shower? I think they were implying that the hatch might become more populated because they are wanting to take showers, eat real food etc. I simply think he stumbles in upon her while taking a shower. I don’t think there is any “peeping” involved here. If so, Jack could much easily watch her bathing in the ocean. As for Jack being sick, I would say no. I think he was more tormented in this last episode because of his past connection to Desmond — who WAS responsible for his marrying Sarah.
I am pretty certain that the cable does go to something in the ocean, but how on earth was Sayid supposed to follow it into the ocean? We will see the cable again, I am sure.
The mysterious island man is NOT from the slave ship. That ship has been marooned for about 150 years so I would have to say he didn’t come from that ship unless he found the fountain of youth on the island. I am still betting on “no.” I believe that he will be revealed to be Rose’s husband (she must have married young). Someone mentioned that it was strange that he appeared on the ABC website but she didn’t. I have read that the actress playing Rose, L. Scott Caldwell, was in five episodes last season because she had a role in a play (perhaps Broadway) on the mainland and was very limited to what she could do. Who knows if she would have figured into more or not although she wastes no time showing back up when the food in the hatch is discovered. Rose, Rose, Rose . . . where oh where have you been?
In case anyone had trouble seeing the subliminal text when visiting http://www.mrclucks.com, here is a jpg of it:
http://tinypic.com/ehg7pc.jpg
ha!
Nice catch, ha! That’s a little freaky … is this a real, ABC-sponsored site, or a fan site?
In the newest preview for this week, it looks like Ana Lucia takes Michael, Sawyer, and Jin to some door and knocks on it. I wonder if the people who appear to be from the tail end of the plane have been living in another “station” on the island? Also, the pirate bearded guy who took Walt kinda looks like the original lead male researcher from the Orientation video (cause the beard). Not sure, though.
dumbanddumber,
I’m thought this was an ABC sponsored site, (4815 Designs – 1623 E. 42nd street) but now I’m not sure: deltaparkproject.com/lost
Of course, the mrclucks website has changed now. Free Dharma shark burger coupon!
Anyhoo, there used to be a link on the main page to http://www.mrclucks.com/links.html (it’s not there anymore). It had about four links (I think): one labeled ‘Sydney’ which linked to the Alias show(through Disney, I believe); one labeled ‘Helen’ which linked to a Mount St. Helen’s webpage (Locke mounted saint Helen – get it?); and one or two other links. (didn’t click them so don’t have them in my browser memory).
The jumble is fairly easy, and of course doesn’t give up any new info. (I thought for sure they were going to use the word ‘DIG’)
ha!
Did anyone else think that the bearded guy and the blonde woman who created the Dharma project in the film could have been the people who took Walt on the boat? I mean They would have been 30 years older and The bearded “pirate” did resemble the guy in the film…There was also a blond woman inside the boat. Sorry if this was mentioned already..
I think Kelvin might be the same dude who was the lead “Other” on the boat who said “we want the boy”.
Also, could the black dude be a drug smuggler? The plane that Locke and Boone found was filled with drugs from some smugglers. Just a thought.
I heard we might get Hurley’s back story next week. That would be nice, could be a funny episode.
OK, I ran out of steam about 1/2 through these comments so I apologize if I’m repeating myself, but I wanted to say that whoever thinks Abadisi is Rose’s husband needs to check the ABC site and check out the guy listed as Rose’s husband – Sam Anderson – he’s white. Definitely NOT Mr Armband-isi
And another media website, IMDB, kindly lets us in on the identity of the man of the boat.
Damn him.
And the man playing Rose’s husband used to be in that horrible show “Married to the Kellys” that liked to make fun of us midwesterners by portraying as idiots when it was, instead the writers of that show, that were the special-needs candidates.
So who is the man on the boat? I was thinking like Hope that he was the original lead researcher (the bearded one) and that the blonde girl was the researcher as well.
Anybody crack the link on mrclucks.com that links to Dharma Industires. It goes through a bunch of numbers and the says access denied.
The bottom right corner of http://www.mrclucks.com has the paragraph symbol which leads you to the following page of links:
4815 Designs (links i like)
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Sydney (alias)
Podcast (audio recaps of the shows)
Dharma & Greg Rulz (Dharma industries)
Helen (mt. st. helen’s webcam)
Rose’s husband is the old white guy tht was talking to Michael in the new station. He asked about her.
Has anyone else noticed that the symbols surrounding the Swan in the Dharma Initiative logo are all I Ching hexagrams? I don’t know about the I Ching to be able to interpret the symbols (or their positioning or whatever); only enough to recognize them.
If anyone else knows any more about it, I’d love to hear it…
The symblols in the octagon, starting with the top and continuing clockwise mean: fire, earth, wind/wood, heaven, water, thunder mountain, and sea